Episode 301: Would We Rather The Mariners Play The Guardians Or Tigers?

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number three oh one of the Marine Layer Podcast. The Mariners close out the regular season at home getting swept by the Dodgers. We'll wrap up the regular season, look ahead to the set playoff field, and a whole lot more before. 00:00:13 Speaker 2: We start this show, a reminder to you, guys, if you want to stay on top of everything we're doing, you can do so by going right over to our website at marine layerpod dot com, where you can find our episodes, merch, Patreon live shows. It's all over there, and then check us out across social media as well at marine Layer Pod. 00:00:30 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling. Hey, welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, recording here on Sunday evening, September twenty eighth. And I just want to address this off the start liile. The question is should you be worried that the Mariners got swept at home by the Dodgers to finish the regular season. 00:01:02 Speaker 2: The answer is yep, no, you should not be. You should not be concerned. 00:01:08 Speaker 3: Believe it or not. 00:01:09 Speaker 2: Those are real questions that we got asked this weekend. Guys, should we be concerned? I know this series doesn't matter. But is it time to panic? No, no, it's not time to panic. Honestly, Look, I wish the Mariners had won a game in that series. Doesn't really matter in the end, But at the same time, maybe a couple losses is honestly for the best. Like, again, they've won what seventeen of eighteen? Doesn't that feel like? Losses when you win that much are almost inevitable. Now you cancel them out now in the regular season. 00:01:44 Speaker 1: Also, for the first let's do Matthew. One hundred and fifty nine games of the season, the Mariners had not clinched a playoff spot, and their sole objective on I would assume every single night was to try and win a baseball game. But that was not the case for the final three days of the regular season. They had already clinched a playoffs on at this point. Therefore, you don't have to win any more games, and you would put structuring your roster and resting your players over winning baseball games. Like Josh knaelor not playing today. Didn't play Saturday? Right, didn't also play Saturday? 00:02:18 Speaker 2: No, I don't think he played Saturday or Sunday, which is for the best. 00:02:21 Speaker 3: He can't eat the rest. 00:02:23 Speaker 1: The best version of the marriag is trying to win games. Is Josh Knaeler in there, and I'm sure they needed to win the game. 00:02:28 Speaker 2: He would have played, and again just for context, I'm sure most people remember, but for context, he came out of Friday's game because he had a little bit of discomfort, and they did what was precautionary. They said, you know what, you know when we need Josh Naylor in the postseason, so let's just let him rest the next two days. So rest the next few days. There is no reason to risk anything when not only have we already clinched the playoff spot, not only have we already clinched the division, but we've clinched our seating too. 00:02:54 Speaker 3: We cannot move. They were the two seed no matter what. 00:02:56 Speaker 1: So God needed to get his thirtieth bag first. 00:02:58 Speaker 3: Though. 00:03:00 Speaker 2: Well he did that, and Julio didn't play much this weekend either. He played Friday, Sunday. He didn't play Saturday. I don't think he played if I'm remembering right. If you want to double check in the box score, oh no, sorry, he played Saturday, but he didn't play Sunday. 00:03:16 Speaker 3: And that was because again, they didn't need to play. 00:03:19 Speaker 1: The only regular who never got swapped out the entire series was Cow because the Maritors did exactly what we told them to do and give him as many at bats as possible. Now, unfortunately, col did not homer against the Dodgers this weekend, and his twenty twenty five home run total is gonna end at sixty, which, honestly, lyle I'm I'm gonna stamp right now as a disappointment. He needed sixty one. 00:03:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, MVP, that's it. 00:03:45 Speaker 1: Nope, we're yanking it away from him. You're telling me you have four games to finish the season, you don't hit any more homers. 00:03:53 Speaker 3: I mean, unacceptable, really, and. 00:03:55 Speaker 1: That's mostly because this weekend was fucking unbearable watching Theyankee fans, like the Talking Baseball account, this weekend was unbearable, it was awful. Instead of following the Yankees, Talking Baseball as the podcast that John Boy Media does about the Yankees, and well, the sole Jack Aunt. 00:04:15 Speaker 2: Hang on Talking Baseball is the national pod Talking Yank, the Yankees. 00:04:19 Speaker 1: Podcast Talking Yanks was the account that was badgering Cal this weekend. Instead of actually following the Yankee games, they were instead picking all of cal Rawley's at bats where he did not reach base and tweeting them out, Oh. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: Wait, that's what you mean. 00:04:33 Speaker 2: No, the Talking Baseball account actually did that, which was ridiculous. Now it's all under the same umbrella, in the same company, but the Talk and Yanks account takes it upon themselves to quote tweet a lineup in which the Mariners have already cleansed their division, they've already clenched their playoffs, bot they're not playing for anything, but as cal Rally, oh, I don't know, not catching nine innings and dhing saying Cal's dhing for the thirty seventh time this year. Dude, he's caught the fourth most games in baseball. Get the fuck out of here with that. 00:05:01 Speaker 1: And Aaron Judge, guess what has more DH days? 00:05:06 Speaker 2: He's the age fifty six times. I believe this year, Aaron Judge, if he DHD here on Sunday, it'd be fifty seven. 00:05:14 Speaker 1: The Mariners don't have the luxury of having national company propaganda accounts for him. So that's what we're we're gonna do, Lyle, We're gonna be cal Rally's propaganda propaganda artists and say that you know what doesn't matter, cal He's got sixty home runs, he's the MVP. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: Judge played right field on Sunday, So again, I believe it was fifty sixty h days. 00:05:36 Speaker 1: Intentionally, intentionally so the Talking Baseball count could note. It's like, oh, look look at Aaron Judge playing in the final game of the season. 00:05:43 Speaker 3: Dude. 00:05:44 Speaker 2: If col wins the MVP, I am gonna dunk so hard on Yankee fans it's gonna be a parade. 00:05:51 Speaker 1: Hey, question at Talking Yanks. Do the Yankees won the division? 00:05:55 Speaker 3: Oh? 00:05:55 Speaker 2: No, uh, but you were, but you were focused on the little old Pacific Northwest featuring a catcher by the name of the Big Dumper who's competing with your pressures. Aaron Judge, you can't get a fucking hit in the postseason. 00:06:10 Speaker 1: Would you prefer that the Mariners and Yankees battle it out in the postseason or would you rather Judge just get bounced early? 00:06:19 Speaker 3: Dude? 00:06:19 Speaker 2: If there's not really a bad scenario to this, right, because both result in us just having a field day. If the Yankees lose in the wildcard series, and especially if in that wildcard series Judge doesn't show up. Oh, the narratives are gonna be hilarious. Yes, the MVP is a regular season award. The postseason stuff doesn't count. It's still gonna be a hilarious narrative to dunk on. But if the Mariners were to beat the Yankees in the ALCS to go to the World Series, and Cal were to be the ALCS MVP leading the Mariners charge, I mean, it would be Mariner's Twitter would be as close to me, don't even know what you want to call. It'd be as close to straight up John Snow battling in the Battle of the Bastards as you can get as when he pulls out the sword and it is fighting against. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: All of the I forget who's fighting. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: He's facing what's his name, Ramseys. 00:07:16 Speaker 2: Ramsey's soldiers, right, I mean, it's not the White Walkers, But that's what it would be. If if Aaron Judge didn't show up in the ALCS and cow Raley goes off and the Mariners take down the Yankees, come on, that'd be hilarious. 00:07:28 Speaker 3: Yankees would be so mad. 00:07:30 Speaker 1: I think it would be better if he just lost in the Wildcard Series, because then it'd be like, oh, can't hear you? Where are yet? Worry oh, not not playing, and because since there's only three games in the Wildcard Series, if they lose in the Wildcard Series, there's not enough time for him to do really anything. No, right, he's gonna get six at bats if they get swept. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: And if he goes one for seven with a single, one for eight with a single, that'd be hilarious. 00:07:59 Speaker 1: It's perfect dunk. And then then the Marine Layer podcast propaganda machine is gonna be it's gonna be rolling. 00:08:08 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: Also, while we might not have the backing of a media company to be just absolutely trying to tear down Aaron Judge, which is what the people over at Talking Yanks have been doing, trying to tear down cal Raleigh rather than just making the case for their own guy. You know what, I'd like to give a shout out to on Twitter, and I hope his team just throttles the Yankees in this Wildcard series. Shadow Cutter is king on Twitter. That guy has been the biggest cal Raley advocate over the last two months that you can basically find across baseball Twitter. Dude has been absolutely trying to tear down Judge's name NonStop. 00:08:43 Speaker 1: If you're gonna make a prediction, who's gonna mock Aaron Judge more if he strikes out the Marine Layer pod account or Jared karrav is front of the pod or third option cutter is case or cutter? Yeah, because here's here's what I predict we're gonna do. And this is the strand out of Jared's book. Aaron Judge strikes out in the first inning of Game one of that Wild Card series, All Caps tweet Aaron Judge crushes go ahead home run in the first inning to put the Yankees up one nothing. 00:09:15 Speaker 3: We're doing that. 00:09:16 Speaker 2: I hope somebody pulls the footage of those Aaron Judge strikeouts so we can tweet it out on Twitter. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: We're absolutely doing that. 00:09:22 Speaker 2: And I will say that is a bit of a hat tip to Carabas, who's the one on Baseball Twitter who started that trend, which. 00:09:29 Speaker 1: I don't know how nobody thought she's still gonna do it. I think, oh. 00:09:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, which I don't know anybody how nobody had ever thought of that trend before he really got going with it a couple of years ago. 00:09:38 Speaker 3: But it's hilarious. 00:09:39 Speaker 2: He do things like if you want to use current events, Anthony Vulpi with a slick double play to get the Yankees out of the inning, and it's vulpy just making an egregious errors. 00:09:47 Speaker 3: Two runs come in for the Red Sox. 00:09:49 Speaker 2: I don't know how nobody's thought about that or thought of doing stuff like that till now, but now you see it more happen. And if Judge starts striking out in the postseason, we're doing that. Aaron Judge to the moon crowd him right now, like yeah, uh, we'll talk more about the bracket here in a little bit, but before we get to that, let's sort of put a bow tie on everything else we saw this weekend and some of the news that has come out of it. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: To end with the thought on Cal, he was definitely pressing this weekend. I think his sole goal was to get to sixty three home runs. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was pressing. 00:10:24 Speaker 2: And that's not a knock one Cal like these games didn't matter. He was theaging He wanted to chase history. Who can blame him. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: But if you're watching some of the at bats, like, yeah. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: He's swinging it, pitches up at his eyes. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's chasing way out of the zone. He's I'm not saying Cal doesn't strike out because that is part of his game. But I mean, he was really going after some breaking balls in the dirt, and like you said, he's chasing extremely elevated fastballs way out of the zone. He was basically just swinging as hard as he could at most pitches to try and launch him. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: Which I don't blame him. 00:10:58 Speaker 1: He's not really up there to walk. He knew there was only like five ad bats left in the season for him. He's like, I'm running out of opportunities to get all the way up to sixty three, so I got to do my best. Uh huh u. Fortunately, I guess, Fortunately for him, sixty is still a pretty great number. As we talked about on our last podcast episode, Him and Him, Maris Ruth, Barry Bonds, Maguire, Sosa and Judge and Judge that's it. So that's pretty that and that ends up pretty cool. But I did get a chuckle trying to watch cal this weekend. It's like he's gonna start in every game. They're gonna hit him at the top of the lineup. He's not getting a day off because he needs to get this record, and he also knew, yeah, I have to get this record like this is mine, but he unfortunately didn't get there. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: No, it's too bad he didn't hit another two home runs in the final day of the Rockies series when you were facing a guy that gives up home runs left and right, because that would have really moved The. 00:11:51 Speaker 1: Movie was in Yankee Stadium all to hit one. 00:11:53 Speaker 3: I know. 00:11:54 Speaker 2: Well, it's almost like it's almost like that's a McDonald's ballpit in the Bronx. What's that thing of cal Raleigh? Isn't that what he says? 00:12:04 Speaker 3: You've seen that? 00:12:05 Speaker 1: Oh, maybe, but it's not fresh off my mind. 00:12:08 Speaker 3: Well, it has like a million views on Instagram. This there's this sports me. 00:12:13 Speaker 2: There's this sports AI generator account on Instagram that does all these athletes dubbing, saying all these ridiculous things that they didn't say. 00:12:21 Speaker 3: And they've done a few of col now, but. 00:12:22 Speaker 2: The first one was was him talking about like, my name is cal Raley. They call me the big Dumper because I dump bombs. He's like, he's like, I play in a real ballpark, unlike that. What I think the exact words were, like. 00:12:37 Speaker 3: What do they call them? 00:12:38 Speaker 2: They call them like a mouth breather, unlike that mouth breather. Aaron judge who essentially plays in a McDonald's ballpit in the Bronx. There's a bunch of other stuff that gets said in there too, but you can go listen for yourself. 00:12:50 Speaker 1: I'll have to brush up after this podcast. It'd be good verbiage to know heading into a very important week Yeah. 00:12:57 Speaker 2: If anybody else is curious about this video, I'm talking about this a I think a cal Raley. It's it's not hard to find. Like, yeah, he says, he says some other things in there too. Now I will say it was early in the year when the storylines were a little bit different. But yeah, and if it needs to be said, no, cal did not actually say those things. 00:13:15 Speaker 3: It is ai but very funny. 00:13:18 Speaker 1: Anything else to take away from this weekend? 00:13:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out Logan Evans. He went out and threw three good innings on Saturday. He's back. 00:13:25 Speaker 3: He was on the mountaine. 00:13:27 Speaker 1: He gave up he missed him. 00:13:29 Speaker 2: Well, of course we missed him, but he gave up a single that was that had an twenty expected batting average on it, and had that not happened, he would have gone six up, six down on the first two innings against the Dodgers. 00:13:41 Speaker 3: Ultimately goes three innings, only gives up a run. 00:13:43 Speaker 2: He looked good. I don't know if he's going to pitch in the postseason. I hope he does. You hope he does. If it's up to us, we're putting him on our roster. But the Mariners themselves, I'm sure they'll keep him around for October in case somebody's needed. But we'll see if he ends up making the postseason roster and not. That was my only other takeaway is was excited to see him back. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: We were having this debate. He'll be on the taxi squad. I think he's gonna be the first pitcher activated if they need an arm I would imagine. But if you want Logan Evans on the playoff roster right now, you have in order, if you're to think about this, you have your regular bullpen. You're gonna have the addition of Bryce Miller in there. You're gonna have Emerson Hancock in there for your bullpen. That right there is two long relievers in the playoffs. All it's usually like all silos go. The third long relief option of the Mariner's bullpen will be whichever starter they have that's currently on a bullpen day, we'll throw instead like the Mariners did with Robbie Ray and George Kirby in the twenty twenty two playoff run. Whether or not it actually works out as you know DVD, that would leave Logan unfortunately fourth when it comes to long relief innings out of the Mariner's bullpen. So at this point, unless someone gets hurt, I don't see it. But if he does make I'd be hyped for him. That'd be super exciting. I think the bigger question comes down to whether or not, out of this week, whether or not the Mariners are going to carry three catchers or not in the playoffs. I think that was it because Jerry spoke here on Sunday and was talking about gave some updates on Brian Wu, who will talk about here in a second, but it was also talking about the playoff roster and said they have been very heavily considering carrying three cashers like they have in September. I see it a little bit, at least for the DS. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: Harry Ford just hasn't played a lot. They've only let him start one game as a catcher. 00:15:37 Speaker 1: It's not even about him playing though this September when I was talking about it when we were bitching up a storm early in the month, was well, he should be here developing. But in the playoffs it's for the most versatility possible for your roster. Now, what you can do in the division series or in the playoffs, you can carry thirteen pitchers, max. But there's not a minimum amount pitchers that you can carry, especially in a five game series. You could leave one of your bullpen arms off the playoff roster and put Harry Ford on it, so you could carry fourteen position players in twelve pitchers, especially when you have two long relievers in that bullpen in Bryce Miller and Emerson Hancock. Right. So then when you face a said lefty Terrek Scuble in the postseason in the Alds, you can put together your best possible lineup facing a lefty, which does include Mitch Garver, DH and you. As soon as the Tigers put a riding in end of the pen, you can take Mitch Garver out of the lineup right away. It does provide you the most versatility with your lineup at a given time. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: I still would scratch my head at carrying three catchers because you're expecting cal Raley to catch every inning of the postseason, and guess what if he gets hurt. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: Heaven forbid. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen, but heaven forbid, there's an injury, you get a replacement on the roster. If somebody gets injured, you get to bring somebody up. 00:17:03 Speaker 1: Not that game. 00:17:05 Speaker 3: What's that? 00:17:06 Speaker 1: Not in game? And by the way, if you take cal Riley off the roster and replace him with somebody, you can't put him back on the roster until the next series, right. 00:17:15 Speaker 2: But if it's just in the scenario that they really need a catcher due to an injury, you can bring somebody up. I think three catchers for a guy and Harry Ford that can only catch and has one Big League hit and has only had about ten Big League played appearances feels like a little bit of overkilled me. I would rather see them put a few different utility guys on the field that they can run and can play some defense. I think that's why we saw Miles master Bony come back on Sunday. You can't know for sure till the roster gets set, but that feels like to me that they may plan to have him activated in the postseason to do exactly that. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: You can have all the utility players you want on your roster and have a third catcher if you if you just so, here's what you do, Cole Young would not be on the roster. Samond Taylor would come up. Then you get Leo Mastro and Samad Taylor all on your bench alongside Harry is the third catcher. You just send Cole and one of your bullpen arms that you don't use down or you take them off the roster. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: Oh so for Cole Young to not be on the roster, you would see some odd Taylor get called up. In other words, if you if you take the three catchers, you would still hypothetically keep Cole Young in this scenario. 00:18:28 Speaker 1: No, I would not. I keep him off the roster and then put Samond Taylor on instead. 00:18:35 Speaker 3: But we haven't seen some odd Taylor, so we don't know if that's gonna happen. 00:18:38 Speaker 1: We haven't. But he doesn't need they don't need to see him. He's been on the forty man roster this year, so they can put him on the playoff roster. 00:18:45 Speaker 3: Mm hm. 00:18:46 Speaker 1: As we've talked about, what is what would Cole do in the playoffs? 00:18:52 Speaker 3: I mean he still can give you a good at bat. 00:18:55 Speaker 1: The Mariners haven't thought so he hasn't played when the games have mattered. 00:18:59 Speaker 2: I just figured they're having him work on stuff. But if he's. 00:19:02 Speaker 1: Gonna work on stuff, great again, not on the playoff. 00:19:05 Speaker 3: Roster, So I guess we'll see. 00:19:09 Speaker 1: If you said you wanted the most versatility possible, that right there is the most versatility. You don't get to have both. The versatility would allow you to pinch it as much as possible, have the most speed on your roster, the most utility players on your roster, and still have a deep enough pitching staff and have the ability to pinch it. 00:19:31 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:19:32 Speaker 2: I guess I still like what Cole Young brings, even if he hasn't played that much, because you've seen Jorge Polanco play more second as he's gotten hot, and you've seen Leo Revas play a little bit more. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 00:19:41 Speaker 2: That's a guy that draws his walks. He dosn't strike out a bunch. She can play some quality second based defense. He might not play a lot, But like, I don't hate the idea of him being on the roster. I understand there's a world he won't be, especially since he hasn't played a ton, and that seems to be the guy that would be on the chop blocked this year because they haven't used him a ton. I don't hate the idea that they're on the roster, though. 00:20:05 Speaker 1: I just don't know what he would do in I mean, in September, he is an OPS of zero nine to five. 00:20:17 Speaker 3: Well, he's had what fifteen at. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: Bats, he's had twenty one plate appearances, and then if you go back to you go back to August, it is ninety two at this point. If we're going for versatility, and given the fact the Mariners are probably just going to try and roll with their starting nine as much as humanly possible sans Garver. If he's dhing, then I don't see an opportunity for him to come in and give you a good at bat. 00:20:53 Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, so maybe that's who gets left off and you bring up some odd Taylor to run. And then again that situation, if there's an injury and unique Cole Young, he's obviously the first guy you yank up. But okay, so then maybe it's Sam Odd Taylor that we just haven't seen. You gotta remember this roster is get going back to twenty six players, and we didn't see some odd Taylor all of September. I figured at some point in time we may have seen him up in the last couple months if they were planning to use him at least in September. I'm all for sa Odd Taylor coming up and running the bases because he's fast as hell, but by not seeing him, it almost makes me think that they plan to move forward without him as being a forefront part of their plans. 00:21:40 Speaker 1: This is where the postseason is different, though you want they technically have base dealers, but they don't have anyone besides Julia who's as fast as he is, so a in a postseason appearance, it's let's see again Mitch Garver reaches in a game in say the seventh inning against Trek Scuball, who's running for him like you can have Master run for him. 00:22:05 Speaker 3: I'm all for Samad Taylor getting a chance. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here wondering if the Mariners are going to deploy him on the roster because we haven't heard a peep out of. 00:22:13 Speaker 1: Him, And that's a fair point. I do see a scenario given the playoff games are different or played differently than the regular season is where you could see that. So we'll see it very much helps the Mariners that they are going to essentially play a pitcher down in some of these series because of the all hands on deck nature of this. All five starters on any given day beside we're starting for the starters on any given day are going to be available. The only guys pitching who are not available during the postseason or the guy who started the day before. That's it unless you get the game seven, in which case that guy is also available. 00:22:51 Speaker 3: You mean to bring him out of the bullpen if you need him late, right. 00:22:55 Speaker 1: Sure, If Logan Gilbert starts Game one and Brian Woos in trouble in Game three, Logan Gilbert can be first out of the bullpen. 00:23:05 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about all that. He'd be on what two days rest, and you might use somebody else. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Unless they want to use Logan Gilbert that doesn't stopped teams before. 00:23:17 Speaker 2: That feels a little unlikely. I don't know if they get that extreme with it. 00:23:21 Speaker 1: But maybe not in game three, but in game five. If your season's about to end. 00:23:26 Speaker 2: In Game five, yeah, I guess Logan Gilbert would also start Game five. I'm just more thinking about how George Kirby came out of the bullpen for an inning against the Blue Jays, something like that that I could see. I would be a little surprised if somebody on two days rest was coming out of the bullpen with somebody's quote unquote in trouble in the postseason, when you have a whole bullpen of guys and you have long relievers back there, including Bryce Miller, that feels like it would be a little extreme. 00:23:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, outside of an elimination game, which in an elimination game, if you lose, you're done, so doesn't hurt you to pitch someone else. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, elimination game, all hands are on deck. 00:23:59 Speaker 2: But in game three, like you're referencing, I don't know if you'd see Logan Gilbert all of a sudden come out of the pen two days later, three days later. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: I'd say. The other other story from today speaking of starters, is a little bit more of an update about Brian Wu. So Jerry said, Brian Will feels fine. There are two things to note though with Brian Wu. He has not thrown off a mound yet since he exited that Houston game and he has not faced live hitters. Now, the Mariners will have two live scrimmages this week that are open to the fans if you want to go watch them on Wednesday and Thursday. I would imagine Brian Wo's gonna throw in one of those. I'd be shocked if he doesn't, because he's got to see some live hitters here before he jumps into this up this game. And I will also say Daniel Kramer reported that I guess he was thinking that Brian Wu would be available at earliest in Game three of the DS, which would be the first game on the road on that Tuesday. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: He could also just show up to the ballpark on Tuesday and throw a bullpen and then throw on Sunday. Then he'd be on his normal four days rest. And they keep talking about how Woo's trying to operate on his normal five day routine. So could he throw in the scrimmage, sure, But if they want him to start in Game two and he feels good enough to, he could just show up on Tuesday and throw a bullpen and then be set for Game two. Again, he's missed one start. I don't think it's imperative that he has to see live hitters before a playoff game. 00:25:20 Speaker 3: It's not like he's missed five weeks. 00:25:22 Speaker 1: The Mariners said, they're trying to EMPHASI emphasize and simulate an environment as much as possible. I think it'd be good if he throws in that scrimmage because other guys are gonna throw. 00:25:34 Speaker 3: Well, they're trying to simulate it. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: But if you want your best pitchers pitching as early as possible in the postseason, then you would have him show up on Tuesday and throw a bullpen. Again, he's missed one start through the rotation, but if he likes it's not like he's making up for two months a lost time. 00:25:48 Speaker 1: If he throws on Wednesday, that's normal rest. 00:25:51 Speaker 2: Well, then he get Tuesday, Well, then he'd pitch Game three, because if he throws Wednesday, it depends on how many pitches he'd throw on Wednesday. Maybe that scenario he'd still turn around in pitching Game two on Saturday. But if he's trying to operate on a five day routine, I figured he could just show up on Tuesday and throw pen. 00:26:08 Speaker 1: Kramer wrote in his article on MLB dot Com that he thought that Wu would start it at earliest Game three, because Jerry also during his session with the media, was emphasizing how much he likes Logan Kirby and Luis Castill pitching at home. 00:26:25 Speaker 2: So that's the other side to this is if Brian Wo's not gonna start Game one due to this injury, which it seems like he's not, because operating on this normal routine that he's talking about, he wouldn't be slated fit to pitching game one. It's probably gonna be Logan Gilbert. But in that scenario, because in a five game series, the only guy that could even throw twice would be the guy that starts game one, which would be Logan, then you're picking Brian Woo to start in one game. And if you're gonna start him in one game no matter what, and you know you're gonna play a game three no matter what which you are, then yeah, maybe it makes the most sense to start him on the road because we know that Brian wu is the one guy who seems to not have major issues pitching away from T Mobile Park this year. 00:27:08 Speaker 3: The other guys have struggled with it. So if you were gonna. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: Go with Gilbert in game one and then either Luis Castillo or George kirbyan game two, both of which would pitch pretty well at home. That may set you up best for success. And then if you win the Alds, then Wu's uh. Then Wu's perfectly set up to throw twice in the Alcs. 00:27:28 Speaker 1: And I'm totally okay with him pitching game three. Like you said, if he's not available for game one, it doesn't matter as much, and you'd rather him pitch in a game that you know you're gonna pitch it anyway. I didn't want them, as in a strategy sense, pitching Brian Wu because because I wanted them pitching him because they wanted to, not because they had to, like, we have to pitch him on the road, because there are other pitchers stink on the road. I'd be like, No, you want to start Brian Wu in this case because you think it makes the most sense, And if he's not gonna be available for game one, then yeah, let's let's start him game three. Whatever is gonna make him feel fine, I think is the most important thing. I want him healthy. I want him to be able to go out there and throw six innings in game three if they need him to, because I trust him to throw six innings in the playoffs more than I trust any of these other guys in the starting rotation this year. While they've had their peaks, they've also had their valleys where they are inefficient and unable to get through six. And that's gonna be important. Sometimes there are gonna be games in this postseason where your starters wear down your bullpen because let's say Logan Gilbert gives up three of the three runs in two and two thirds and there's two on and two out in that third inning, Like, do you go to the bullpen there and then all of a sudden your bullpen's tired of the entire series. 00:28:46 Speaker 2: Well, in that scenario, you'd probably go to somebody to get you out of that inning, and then you'd have Bryce Miller or Emerson Hancock come in. 00:28:54 Speaker 1: But that's not what you want because then you burn Bryce for Game two, and what if you want bryceon game two as well? 00:29:01 Speaker 2: Mm HM, playoffs are tough, man. 00:29:05 Speaker 3: The playoffs get real streaky, real fast. 00:29:08 Speaker 2: If a starter starts to struggle in the postseason, guys usually have quick hooks, So we'll see, We're gonna see how this gets operated. 00:29:17 Speaker 3: Which, speaking of that who starts game two? 00:29:20 Speaker 2: Now, is it Louise or is a Kirby, Because it's gonna be a pivotal game if Logan's gonna be Game one, and wu hypothetically here is game three. 00:29:30 Speaker 1: If I'm gonna guarantee a start to one guy, I'm I'm guaranteeing it to Kirby, like guarantee like you, we need you to start a game, I do, Kirby. 00:29:40 Speaker 2: I think that's where I lean to. But each guy has their case. I would probably start Luise game four. I'm with you, especially the way Kirby's trended is of late which, by the way, if you want another series takeaway, this was a storyline that was lost this weekend because it was games. It didn't really matter. Did you read about how he all of a sudden started picking up Brian Woo's two seam grip and now he's throwing it. Well, all of a sudden, George Kirby using Brian Woo's two seam grip struck out fourteen guys and then that was in his second to last start of the year. In his second to last start of the year, he struck out fourteen guys using that grip and then in his final outing he struck out ten. I know it's a small sample, but after all this time, did George Kirby potentially finally find that outpitch? 00:30:33 Speaker 1: Let's give it thirty starts. 00:30:36 Speaker 2: I care about October for October. Has he found his outpitch? 00:30:42 Speaker 1: I can't say so yet, but if he did, then I'm gonna be very happy that that he did find it, I'll say, and Brian was sinker isn't even an outpitch. It just helps you manage throwing in the strike zone. It means you can throw pitches down the middle that guys won't always hit, which in George Kirby's case is very important because he throws a lot of pitches in the strike zone and the problem too often is that he gets hit. But if he has a pitch that allows him not to get hit as much, and that's great. But I would like to see more than three starts. I think three was the totals. The Angels start at, the Astros start, and now the Dodgers start. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: Part of it may depend on who they play to. Both teams have their share of left handed hitters and have a decent amount of them, and the Tigers and the Guardians. The Guardians really have a lot of left handed hitters, and even though that's a worst offense, Louis has really gotten crushed by lefties the last couple of years. So does any of it hinge on that. If it's the Tigers, do you start Louise? And if it's the Guardians, do you start Kirby? 00:31:49 Speaker 1: No? No, I'd start Kirby no matter what. I'm trying to win Game two, and I think Kirby gives you a better chance at winning Game two than Luis does. 00:32:01 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think about how the Mariners may play this, and again that is the case with Louise. 00:32:07 Speaker 3: He has struggled against lefties. 00:32:09 Speaker 1: As they are going to operate. I would worry about game four. When you get to. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: Game four, that's probably right. If it's up to me, I'm going with Kirby two. I'm just trying to present some cases for why they may pick to go with Castillo. The other one is just the postseason experience, although Kirby now has it too. As one postseason started, he was as good as anybody could possibly be when he went seven shoutout against the Astros. 00:32:30 Speaker 1: And the other thing you could say for Luis is, hey, maybe he's peaking at this at the right time. During this stretch that the Mariners went and they went out and won this division, Louis Castile was their best pitcher. 00:32:42 Speaker 3: Mm hm. 00:32:43 Speaker 2: Also, Kirby's playing pretty well right now too. He's pitching pretty well right now too. That's what I would say. Eh, that was not English. Kirby is pitching pretty well right now too. They're both peaking at the right time. 00:32:54 Speaker 1: I could say, not a bad option, but I still would prefer having Louis Castill. Yeah, okay, there's me. There's some matchup things in there too, But with the starter in the postseason, you want five innings, it's like, can you get me through the lineup twice? Which guy do I trust to get me through the lineup twice? Against these two teams, which each have their share of flaws, they'll be George Kirby. 00:33:16 Speaker 2: That is the other thing that I will be watching very closely is speaking of having quick hooks in the postseason. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: How long are they going to let these guys go? 00:33:27 Speaker 2: We have talked about at nauseum now the problems that Logan Gilbert and George Kirby have had this year going through the order a third time. If it was up to me and you're just going by the numbers, when you get to that third time in the lineup, I would essentially give them the leeway of one hitter if they're pitching really well. And I know this is the Kevin Cash Blake Snell method, which a lot of people didn't like. But if those guys are cruising, I'd give them a bat or maybe two. But if they run into any trouble the third time through the order, it's going to be a quick hook and you're going to your bullpen, even if it's only been five innings. 00:34:02 Speaker 3: Now, if it's been a. 00:34:04 Speaker 2: Rocky five where they've powered through and kept you in the game, then I just take them out after five immediately or aka when the third time of the lineup's come into the plate. But even if they're dealing, I don't think I'm stretching this out more than a batter or so, because there's there's empirical you know, there's data in front of us that shows what can and ken what hasn't has not gone wrong when they face the lineup a third time, and for those two. It's it's had its issues for me. 00:34:34 Speaker 1: It's lineup dependent. If if there are no runners on one out, and say like the sixth inning and the Guardians lineup flips over where it's Quan leading off and Jay Ram j rambats second, right, Yeah, j Ram batting second. 00:34:48 Speaker 3: I think often he bats third. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: So then what would it be? Brian Rochio, something like that, Daniel Schneeman, Guys that are going to be in my postseason nightmares. Probably Like if if Logan Gilbert is like one out bases empty against those two, I'm still leaving him in the game. I'm not pulling him out for that. If there's a base runner, maybe I'll have someone hot. But if there's a base runner, then obviously then you think about it again. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: Though the hook hasn't history shown in twenty twenty five what happens the third time through an order with those guys? Though the postseason feels like the wrong time to be messing around with that. 00:35:29 Speaker 1: It's not even messing around. There's no one on base, I know. 00:35:33 Speaker 2: And again this is the Kevin Cash Blake Snell method that I'm going with here, But it is using your strength to your advantage. 00:35:42 Speaker 1: Would your first option be going to Brash or is it as soon as Logan's done, we get Bryce Miller for one time through the order. 00:35:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting method. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: I feel like you just go to the four in your bullpen bizartro braw Spire Munno's. But the Bryce Miller factor here will end up being a key element because if you think he can give you an additional two. If Logan's done with five, then sure that makes things pretty unique. 00:36:14 Speaker 1: It depends when they get knocked out of the game. If it's sixth inning, then yeah, I think the four will get you through the end of the game one. If it's the well, if they've gone through the order twice and it's the fourth inning, then something has gone drastically wrong and they probably should get pulled before then. Anyways, before you get all the way through the order twice. This will be an interesting thing to look at as the Mariners get into the DS and how they're going to handle something like this. I feel like we'll know pretty quickly, or maybe we won't, because maybe the guys won't be efficient enough to get through two times through the order. They haven't always been and these, especially if you're playing the Guardians I mean, the Guardians have just been the most pesky team of all time to just drive up pitch counts and just piss me off, just piss me the fuck off. 00:37:00 Speaker 2: So again I'll put this on record, and if I'm wrong about it and these guys prove me wrong and they go out and deals for seven innings and absolutely dominate, then great, I will happily, happily be wrong, but I'm putting it out on record. I would not mess around the third time through the order with those two guys especially, but in general, I would be very careful with that. Wu is the one guy who again hasn't really had problems with that the third time through. Luis has been okay the third time through too, but Wo especially has been good. I would not be messing around with that. With George Kirby and Luis and Logan Gilbert, I would be very ready to have your next options ready to go after two times through. I'll even read you the number again, just so people have it in their heads about what's happened the third time through in order. Logan Gilbert this year the third time through in order to actually come down as of late, so maybe that plays a factor into this, but it is still an eight hundred ops. He's given up the third time through the order. 00:37:59 Speaker 1: This we got a couple more things to talk about, including who we would rather the Mariners play in the next round of the playoffs. Before that, let's hear a word from our friends at Slim Goodie Sports Bar. You know that feeling when the game's on, the beer is cold and everyone's on the edge of their seat. Yeah, that's the vibe you get at Slim Goody Sports Bar, located on historic Ballard av Here in Seattle. This is where Mariners Baseball live. Guys, if you need somewhere to watch the playoff game, that would be an excellent spot to do so. They have twenty three TV's. They have two patios so you never miss a pitch. 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Maybe just whoo like really like that's just how managers operate in the postseason, like straight up like just time for the bullpen to go in. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: Well a lot of times, yes, is Dan Wilson going to do Is Dan Wilson going to do that? 00:39:37 Speaker 1: I think so. I think there are enough people in and around who understand the enormity of these games, Like, you have to win. You're playing to win every single game. There's no saving guys. There's the main reason lyyle the starters pitched so much during the season is to save up for the one sixty two. But you're not saving up for one sixty two in the post season. You're saving up for three games. 00:40:03 Speaker 3: I know, believe me. I know. 00:40:06 Speaker 2: Well, really I don't know, because no Mariners fans have watched many postseason games in their lives, but from watching enough postseason baseball over the years, I know that that is often how things are operated. 00:40:17 Speaker 3: I've just worried all year. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: We've talked about it that I hope one of those in game decisions does not absolutely bite them in the backside come October. 00:40:27 Speaker 3: And I hope that is the case. You're right that. 00:40:29 Speaker 2: I'm sure these conversations are going to be very much had all this week about how they're going to deploy things in the postseason between coaching staff and front office. 00:40:37 Speaker 3: Because it is a joint effort. 00:40:39 Speaker 2: There's going to be conversations about what length guys are given, who to go to, and what situations out of the bullpen, a lot of different scenarios. I hope, I hope they they do the right thing. Let's put it like that. 00:40:55 Speaker 1: Like remember the Robbie Ray jord On Alvarez thing. Everyone knows that the Mariners had that decision made that Robbie Ray was going to pitch in that scenario, probably the week before. 00:41:08 Speaker 2: Right, and for context for people who I know hated that decision and thought it was dumb, and I know the execution of it was awful. 00:41:16 Speaker 3: But what came out about. 00:41:17 Speaker 2: That is Robbie Ray, when throwing sliders to lefties had an twenty seven batting average against I believe I have that number right, and lefties didn't hit a slider. That was the idea, you're going to face the most dangerous left handed hitter in baseball, put the guy in that neutralizes lefties when he's throwing his braking ball. So the problem is Robbi Ray left a fastball as middle middle as you can leave it, and you'ord on send it to the next county. But you're right that that decision was made probably well in advance, at the very least before that game started. So yes, these decisions are very very much talked through. I hope that the right. 00:41:57 Speaker 3: Ones are executed in the postseason. 00:41:59 Speaker 2: No matter what they may be. What I'm saying here on this podcast is my own opinion. The Mariners may have a different opinion or a different or a different mindset for how they want to use their guys. I hope when it's all said and done, it's the right one. 00:42:12 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other conversation that is on everybody's minds. Now that we have the playoff bracket in front of us, starting in the Mariners quadrant, would you rather play the Guardians of the Tigers? In case you didn't see it, the Guardians end up clinching the American League Central today on Sunday, they're the number three seed. The Tigers are now the number six seed, the final wildcard team. 00:42:39 Speaker 2: Which is I think best case scenario for the Mariners. I was hoping they were going to avoid all the ALAS teams. I was hoping they get a crack at the AL Central because those rosters are more flawed. In my opinion, I think the Mariners are set up pretty nicely here. This should be a series no matter what, that they're favored in and that they can absolutely win. But I'm taking the Guardians. If I have to pick between the two, I would rather play Cleveland because the roster, especially the offense, is just not as good and they don't have a Trek Scoo ball in that rotation. I know the Guardians all pitch really well. But you're talking about a team that, despite being as hot as anybody over the last month, traded away Shane Bieber, their best arm went healthy. Don't have Emmanuel Classe anymore because he was too worried about his own parlays than winning baseball games. And they have one batter in Oh that made you you know what. 00:43:30 Speaker 1: It wasn't even a parlay. Who's just the dumb one of the dumbest bets ever in a sports book. 00:43:36 Speaker 3: First pitch, ball or strike? 00:43:38 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, a prop bet, My bad, my bad, a prop bet. So Emmanuel Classe was more worried about his own prop bets than winning baseball games. He will not be pitching. So when you look at this Guardian's team, it has an offense that has one real bat, one in Jose Ramirez, who I would honestly consider just putting on first base just about every time he's up, because I'm serious when I say there is no other offense in that lineup. Kyle Manzardo has been good enough. He's their second best bat. He's nine percent better than league average this year. Every other guy has been a well below average hitter this season, even Stephen Kuan for as good A players he's been in his career. He's not had a good offensive year. And when I look at that up and down, no class A, no baber An offense, that's really really struggled to muster up offense. I'd rather play Cleveland. I do not want to face Derek Scougle twice in five games, but you'd rather. 00:44:38 Speaker 1: Face an elite pitching staff five times. I just don't trust that they're gonna step up their staff. Is it's elite? 00:44:47 Speaker 3: Is it elite? 00:44:49 Speaker 1: Yeah? They're fourth in a RAM in the whole league this year they have They have an e RA in the month of September half a run lower than the next closest team. And you're totally right about their offense. Offense blows, it's awful, But that pitching staff is the best unit combined that either of these two teams have. Here's a question you need to answer for yourself. Would you rather face an elite individual or an elite unit? Because that's what we're debating here. 00:45:15 Speaker 2: I mean, you get past Gavin Williams, who's their ace, and you've got Tanner Biby with a four to twenty. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: Four e RA. 00:45:22 Speaker 2: His ERA plus is below league average. Then you get to Logan Allen with a four to fourteen era his fips in the four to four s slates, and Coney as a four to three. This is not some elite rotation. Maybe all combined, maybe all combined. The production has been good, but you are going to be facing individuals in these playoff games. And when you get past Gavin Williams, who, by the way, none of these starters have a long history of a track record in the postseason, they're gonna be pretty fresh to this. Like the Mariners, guys, are you get past Gavin Williams, I'm not that scared by any of their other pitchers. Again, Tanner Biby, great dude, fan of the guy, But if you're just talking about the results he's put on the field this year, it's been a little bit of a disappointing year for him. And then after those two, who's going after him again? Is it Logan Allen, is it Slade Seconi. I just don't look at that rotation and see it the same way as you'd have to face Casey Mice and Jack Flaherty, even after you'd face scooball. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: But the difference with the Tigers, the Tigers are an elite at anything. 00:46:30 Speaker 2: They're not actually sorry, maybe you'd face Resulsen or no, sorry, he's on what am I saying? He's on the il he's not gonna pitch. But yeah, it'd probably be Jack Flarity after Scooball and then Mice. I think that is a tougher matchup to go against than the Guardians. 00:46:46 Speaker 1: The Tigers top to bottom, have a middle of the pack pitching staff and a middle third offense. The Gardeners have a top like a top four pitching staff and a bottom three offense. That's what we're debating here. I think you can either get middle of both or extremes. 00:47:05 Speaker 2: I think you're looking at this more on a large sample size and what they've done over the course of a season, rather than a five game series when you have to face individual guys. I would rather face the individuals and that starting rotation and the individuals in that offense for Cleveland than going against Trek's Google twice, Casey Mayes, who's been look not elite but good. And then an offense where you've got Riley Green in there, you've got Spencer Tarkalsen, who's a thirty homer guy. 00:47:32 Speaker 3: In there. 00:47:32 Speaker 2: There's guys in that lineup that hit Zach McKinstry was an All Star rather than Cleveland. 00:47:40 Speaker 3: Hmm. 00:47:42 Speaker 1: I still like I still like the odds better with the Tigers. I just don't think the Tigers are as good. That's honestly what it comes down to. Oh sorry, Tigers are not as good of a baseball team as the Guardians are. I also showed that this season. 00:47:57 Speaker 3: Well. 00:47:57 Speaker 2: I also didn't throw Kerry Carpenter into that lineup, which for some reason and I didn't originally, and I should have because the Mariners are gonna throw nothing but righties at the Tigers. 00:48:04 Speaker 1: And yet despite all of those names, the Tigers folded like a deck of cards here in the second half and let the Guardian storm all the way back. This talentless, talentless Cleveland Guardians team storms back and takes over all the Mighty Tigers. 00:48:19 Speaker 3: Things can change very quick in a three game wildcard series. 00:48:23 Speaker 1: The Mariners don't have to worry about a wildcard series. They don't find. 00:48:27 Speaker 2: While I'm talking about the two teams that are going to go up against each other in a three game and if it's Detroit that comes out of it, I won't be surprised, because again, you're talking about. 00:48:35 Speaker 3: Winning two games. 00:48:36 Speaker 2: For as bad as the Tigers have played in the final month of the year, for as off like bad doesn't even describe it. For as atrocious as they have played in the final month of the year, they win two or three games one time against the team they've seen a ton and they're coming out of it. And in that situation, I would not be interested in having to see scooble twice. 00:48:56 Speaker 3: Actually, hang on a sec, here. 00:49:00 Speaker 1: Was gonna pitch Game one of the Wildcard Series? 00:49:03 Speaker 2: I was actually, you know what, now, now that we're sitting here talking through this, maybe he won't pitch twice in a DS because he's gonna have to throw Game one in the Wildcard Series. He may not be on schedule to throw twice. 00:49:13 Speaker 1: They'll pitch him on short rest. 00:49:16 Speaker 2: Okay, then he's gonna throw twice. Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to face Google twice. Also, the fact that Mariners have beat him two times feels a little ominous. What are you gonna do beat him four times? The Guardians, Well did they beat him four times in one year? I don't know, but they certainly beat the crap out of the Tigers this year. Guardians have been playing playoff games since since the month started, and all they've done is win. I don't want to play that team. 00:49:47 Speaker 1: They win games. 00:49:51 Speaker 3: They have a better bullpen than the Tigers. I'll give him that. 00:49:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, I faced a good bullpen in the playoffs, saying they scrapped their way to some lead. No, the Tigers bullpen, I don't even think it's that good. The Tiger's pitching staff again after Trek scooball nah at best? Nah? 00:50:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Tigers really have what three good bullpen arms? Will Vest former Mariner Will Vest, Brendan Hannafee and Bran Herder. Those are probably their three really good bullpen arms. 00:50:20 Speaker 1: Brant Herder Cheese. 00:50:22 Speaker 3: I mean he's been really good. 00:50:26 Speaker 1: Wow. I watched Brent Herder. Uh, he was on my K League team. Did not think he'd be a great big league bullpen arm. But hey shut out him. That's great. 00:50:34 Speaker 2: I mean they have some other guys they have, like Tyler Holton's in that bullpen, Timmy Kanley's in that bullpen. Old friend Paul Seawald's in that bullpen. But good though, No, and Kinley's been okay. Holton's been okay. The Guardians bullpen though even without class A, obviously you get Kate Smith, you get Jacob Junis, who's been really good. Hunter Gattis has been really good. There's guys in that bullpen. 00:50:59 Speaker 1: I can see your argument for the Guardians, but I think the Tigers are a worst team, and even if they have the best player, I'd rather face the worst team because guess what, Trek Skuble can't pitch every game, and just because he does throw doesn't mean the Tigers are winning. 00:51:14 Speaker 3: It doesn't. 00:51:18 Speaker 2: I would not want to take my chances. I think it's a more talented team on paper. Again, I know Hobby Baya has a struggle in the second half, but you put together a lineup that's got Glabor in it, that's got Riley Green in it, that's got Carry Carpenter in it, that's got Torque in it, that's got Dylan Dingler in it, who, by the way, has been a three win catcher this year. It's a lot different than the Guardians. And again, outside of Gavin Williams, it is a starting rotation for the Guardians that does not strike fear into opponent's eyes. 00:51:46 Speaker 1: So we've debated who we'd rather face, who do we think wins. It's a good one. 00:51:55 Speaker 2: I feel like by the way things are trending against the Guardians. 00:52:00 Speaker 1: And we and then we would most likely get a Guardians Mariners DS. 00:52:05 Speaker 3: Right, that's our prediction. 00:52:08 Speaker 2: Now on Friday's podcast, we will dive into all of it because by then it'll be all wrapped up. We're gonna wait for that series to be done before we record Friday's podcast because. 00:52:18 Speaker 1: We're Yeah, I was gonna say, they'll have to. Thankfully they get the ten am slot, so that will be very much done by the time by the time we record on Thursday. 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a good schedule coming up for the podcast this week. I know we were a little worried about and we were saying to the people, what are we gonna talk about all week, like while we wait for the Mariners to play a playoff game. 00:52:36 Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be fun. 00:52:37 Speaker 2: We've got this episode today Friday. We're gonna do a full series preview and playoff roster preview ahead of the series starting on Saturday and Wednesday. I mean, teach who better to have on to talk about the upcoming Mariners playoff run. Then Goldie himself and Aaron Goldsmith. I mean, is there a better person we could have on for this week than Goldie? 00:53:02 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:53:04 Speaker 1: In terms of capturing everything that has happened to the season and what it is taken to get to this point. No, No, he's he's been there throughout the entire thing, like he has insights and knowledge that not everyone else gets because he's a team employee. 00:53:18 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:53:19 Speaker 1: It's great and Goldie's big friend of the pod, always awesome to us. It's gonna be very exciting to talk to him on Wednesday. I guess any other things you want to note about this playoff bracket that's come out the al East side. On the other side, I'm very glad the Mariners are not in that. I said it in our reaction that I released here on Sunday afternoon evening that you could make a case of three of the four best teams in the American League are on that side of the bracket. 00:53:47 Speaker 2: Is there any timetable on Roman Anthony yet? I don't think there is, as. 00:53:51 Speaker 1: I's down in Florida. 00:53:52 Speaker 2: Now that's the latest update as of this afternoon, which maybe that means he's trying to ramp up baseball activity. 00:53:59 Speaker 1: But one was the last time he saw a pitch, so you can go cold Turkey back into the lineup. 00:54:05 Speaker 2: That's essentially what the Cubs did with Kyle Schwarber in sixteen. Remember that it worked out and he was in. 00:54:11 Speaker 1: What the Fall League mm hmm. So they did get him some at bats then and then called him up. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: It was just a few, but yeah, they tried to do it very fast and then called them up. It's just that this Red Sox team has been so much different without Roman Anthony in it, and not in a good way. They have missed him dearly, so I'm sure if the Red Sox think they have the chance to activate him, they're going to. 00:54:33 Speaker 1: The Yankees have been playing well, Judge has been playing well, so they have that for them. The Blue Jays played a phenomenal final series Alejandro Kirk with a couple of home runs here on Sunday to win them the American League East. The two teams of the two best records are on that side of the bracket, not the Mariners. Yankees and Blue Jays are the two teams of the two best records in this league, and yet they're on the same side of the bracket, which I'm not going to complain about. If all the most talented teams want to be over there and the Mariners get to face Daniel Schneman, Brian Rochio and name your other favorite random Cleveland Guardian whose lineup this year as an eighty seven opia eighty seven WRC plus as a team, Feel free to name them. 00:55:14 Speaker 2: On Hell Martinez, Nolan Jones. Yeah see, and you said you want to play the Tigers. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: Well, then I didn't even mention the fact that the Tigers WRC plus in the month of September is probably lower than eighty seven. Well perhaps, and that's kind of what matters. 00:55:32 Speaker 2: Now. 00:55:33 Speaker 3: Again, this is the path for the Mariners this year. 00:55:37 Speaker 2: Not only is this the most talented roster they've had in twenty five years, but now you're set up with a first round by and getting the American League Central in the DS in a very weak American league. This is as well cut out as you can draw it up for a postseason field if you're the Mariners. 00:55:56 Speaker 3: That was not the case in twenty twenty two. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: You get into the wildcard team, you have to play a very good Blue Jay's team, and then you get the Astros, and that Astros team was a juggernaut this year. There is no team like that in baseball. There is no team like the twenty twenty two Astros in baseball this year, and sure as hell not in the American League. This is everything the Mariners could have hoped for him more. I hope they really go out and just take it. 00:56:18 Speaker 1: Do you have anything to note from the National League? 00:56:24 Speaker 3: The Mets are the Mesne. 00:56:29 Speaker 1: Classic. Frank was right. This is how we predicted the season was gonna end. Heartless, gutless, feeble, no fight, no care, no heart. Feel so bad for him. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: I forgot to tweet it out earlier. I should have taken the part from our clip, because he did say back in mid August when we asked them, I said, so, how does all this boat for the rest of the season, Frank, they still getting into the playoffs. No Mets are not making the playoffs, is what he said. 00:56:54 Speaker 3: They didn't. 00:56:55 Speaker 1: How sad is it your team ends the season seven times, you enter the ninth inning trailing, you don't win a single one of those games. That's how they end, That's how they low it. Lost today against the Marlins like a not very good Marlins team. I know they've played better here in the second half, but overall just not very good. And they go in there seam and I have pitches an inning and two thirds and when Diaz pitched in what the fifth inning today because they needed him and the Met's offense was just fucking lifeless. And Frank Frank destroyed his shirt today on the live stream. 00:57:29 Speaker 2: Oh, it was ripped to shreds. He just tore it right to pieces. Now, by the way, you want to you wanna hear a you wanna hear a tweet that was tweeted out today? 00:57:40 Speaker 3: Listen to this. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna give I'm gonna give people a chance to guess. You can hear the audio That would be Frank getting pissed off at the Reds continuing to win games. Where do you think that tweet came from? You already know, So I'm let people sit for about five seconds here and just just ponder, bum bum bum. 00:58:06 Speaker 3: All right, I'm my. 00:58:07 Speaker 2: Answer that was from the Cincinnati Reds Twitter account, and that that tweet has upwards of three and a half million views. 00:58:20 Speaker 1: That's under They must have been sitting on that one maybe with like a week left They're like, I have an idea. 00:58:27 Speaker 2: They said, if we make the playoffs, we're doing this and the Mets miss. 00:58:31 Speaker 1: We're tweeting this at Frank. I mean that was and then jus quote tweets it is like, oh, no, no one show Frank. 00:58:42 Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to validate Frank's words, but lifeless, gutless, you score no runs against the Marlins on the last. 00:58:52 Speaker 3: Day of the year. 00:58:54 Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of happy the Mets aren't in the playoffs because that means we get more of a real series in LA because like, the Mets have no starting rotation at all. They would have gotten throttled in this playoffs, so they have no one to match up with any starters. The first series is against the Dodgers. You know what we get tomorrow? On Tuesday, we get I think it's Hunter Green and Yamamoto in game one. 00:59:15 Speaker 3: It's pretty good. 00:59:16 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's a Hunter Green. By the way, he only threw like one hundred and seven innings this year. If he threw more, he'd probably be among one, like the ten best players in baseball. He'd be up there with like Crochet and scooball in terms of production. 00:59:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Reds will probably counter with Andrew Rabbit in Game two has also been very good. 00:59:35 Speaker 3: The Reds have real starters. 00:59:37 Speaker 1: Yeah mm hmm, So like that's a good series. I'm not gonna complain about that. Way better than the Mets throwing what whatever they were gonna start someone who would get pulled after two innings. 00:59:51 Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be It was probably gonna be a lot of their young guys Jonah Thong, Brandon Sproute, who could be really good in the long run, but they have not had a lot of big league experience. 01:00:00 Speaker 1: No, still a potential aisle. It is official that we will get a chance at a Better Cup World Series. 01:00:08 Speaker 2: And you know why, all because the Mariners hoisted the fucking Better Cup trophy like paraded around. He actually hang it up in the rafters while you play that World series. 01:00:19 Speaker 1: If the Padres win the World Series, they might just like snap the Better Cup trophy in half at a celebration like. 01:00:25 Speaker 2: Ah, see good, snap the trophy that doesn't matter, and hoist the one that does better Cup. 01:00:33 Speaker 1: The last thing I want to note for this for this episode before I wrap up, people were asking us when is the start time gonna be on Saturday. When's it gonna be, When's it gonna be? When's it gonna be? I have a prediction somewhat. I think the Mariners are gonna get the same time slot that they got the last time they made the postseason against the Astros in twenty twenty two. Take a look at this Wildcard schedule. I'll read it out for everybody and listen to these start times, and I think this is very telling when it comes to when the Mariners might play Detroit and Cleveland, the least desirable television matchup of all of them, play at ten o'clock Pacific AM in the morning on Tuesday. Then we get the Padres and Cubs, the next most glamorous matchup at noon Pacific time. Then you have the Yankees and Red Sox in primetime, and then to close it out, you have the West Coast Powerhouse and Dodgers playing last. What is that going to lead to for the division series? So the winner of the Guardians and Tigers are gonna play the Mariners, the winner of the Cubs and Cubs and Padres is gonna play the Brewers. The winners of the Yankees and Red Sox are gonna play the Blue Jason, the winners of the Reds and Dodgers are gonna play the Phillies. If the Dodgers win against the Reds and they play the Phillies, that's your six o'clock game for the Dodgers audience and the japan audience, by the way, that's your game there. It doesn't matter who wins between the Red Sox or Yankees, they're gonna play at six o'clock Eastern, three o'clock Pacific, no matter what. That's the highest grossing matchup you ever have, the two biggest franchises Baseball or Canada. So that leaves you with either the ten am slot or the noon slot. And I don't think the Mariners are gonna be forced to play at ten am because they play in the Pacific time zone. So that is gonna put Mariners and either Tigers or Guardians at noon Pacific. 01:02:30 Speaker 2: Well what if the Padres win? Oh, but they'd start in Milwaukee, so it doesn't matter. 01:02:36 Speaker 1: See that's a tricky one. But the Mariners are less well, I guess in that case, maybe the Mariners would be at ten am because the Mariners are less of a draw than the Padres are. 01:02:44 Speaker 3: But again, time slot. 01:02:47 Speaker 2: Milwaukee would be in Central time That feels like at twelve o'clock start there ten am on the West Coast. 01:02:52 Speaker 3: That would make a lot more sense. 01:02:56 Speaker 2: You cannot make a West Coast team play a game at ten o'clock in the morning. 01:03:00 Speaker 3: There will be a protest work. 01:03:02 Speaker 1: I think one of them will. No matter what, if the Padres win, No, the Cup win, it's a lot easier of a decision. 01:03:09 Speaker 2: But the Padres don't start that series in San Diego. They would start in Milwaukee, That's what I'm saying. So the Mariners would start that series in Seattle and then would go to the Central time zone. Maybe when those two teams travel it gets flipped. Where then in Game three and four, when the Padres are in San Diego and the Mariners are in either Detroit or Cleveland, it gets flipped. But for the first two games, no, you can't make a West Coast team play at ten o'clock in the morning. 01:03:33 Speaker 1: This time slotting only applies for the for the days where there are four games played, which I believe there are three of them. I'm gonna say, I think it's Saturday, Tuesday, and Friday. I think. 01:03:49 Speaker 2: Okay, regardless, you can't make a West Coast team play at ten am. 01:03:53 Speaker 3: That's not have now. 01:03:54 Speaker 1: No, So if you're curious about that, that first one on Saturday, that's gonna be. I think that's gonna be a noon first pitch. 01:04:04 Speaker 3: I think agreed. 01:04:06 Speaker 1: Actually, no, sorry, there are only two days where there are four games, so that's the only Those are the two days where the Mariners would have to worry about that. That's what I'd pay attention to. I don't know how they'd flip that on Sunday. Maybe, Actually, you know what, I think they would stay playing early on Sunday too, because you're not going up against Sunday night football. So I think that's what they do. 01:04:24 Speaker 2: But they may have to move the time of the Seahawks game. They've talked about that. 01:04:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, good problem to have, by the way, that's something we've had to worry about, all worry about all that often. That could that would have been an issue in twenty twenty two, but Mariners got bounced before the Seahawks played. 01:04:42 Speaker 2: That was gonna be a thing the next day after the eighteen inning game if the Mariners had won, about is somebody going to have to move their game back? But since that didn't happen, and the Mariners lost in three games. Seahawks didn't have to move their game this year. It's gonna be a real thing though, right, So we'll see. 01:04:58 Speaker 1: But book it noon Pacific time, Saturday, October fourth. 01:05:04 Speaker 3: Likely, I mean, we don't know for sure, but likely. 01:05:06 Speaker 1: Well I'm standing it low, that's my prediction. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: Oh, just like I'm stamping that some of these starters are only going two times through or should only go two times through. 01:05:15 Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out. Saturday will be very telling, it will, man. 01:05:18 Speaker 2: I Also, I forgot to add Nick Lodolo into that Red's Dodger series. That's gonna be a really interesting series. The Dodgers should win, but those are three legit starters they have to go up against Green, Abbott, Lodolo. 01:05:28 Speaker 1: Problem for the Reds is that the Dodgers arguably have the best rotation in baseball. 01:05:33 Speaker 2: Well, that's the other side of this is you're gonna get Yamamoto, show hay Glass, now, Blake Snell, however you want to draw it up. 01:05:39 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's stuff cooking for the Reds. But we'll see. I see, maybe maybe a right field or Noel vi Marte can be a hero. You robbed a home run the other day. 01:05:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I did. That was it? That was late in the game too. It's a ridiculous catch. Man. We're gonna watch him in the postseason. How about that? 01:05:55 Speaker 1: It's full circle moment for Uh. How's Jesse Winker doing? 01:06:00 Speaker 2: He's barely played this year, but he's on the Mets who are not in the playoffs and Frank melt it down. 01:06:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. And that's the wrong trade anyways, because Luis Castile will be pitching the playoffs, that's for sure. 01:06:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes he will. Man, I'm ready. I know it's only Monday, but I'm ready. Like I said, we got gold We got Goldie on Wednesday. We'll do a full series preview and roster preview on Friday, and then we'll get going come Saturday, come playoff time, which again we'll remind you throughout the week, but we're gonna be doing episodes after every game, so we'll be talking about every game throughout. 01:06:31 Speaker 3: The postseason, so make sure to stay tuned for that. All right. 01:06:34 Speaker 2: That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to listen to the full form podcast. You can do so wherever you get your audio pods, make sure if you're listening, you're downloading these episodes and you're leaving those five star reviews. It really does help if you do. 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