Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners losing game one of the ALDS, and what they need to do to have a chance in the series moving forward.
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00:00 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in episode number 304 of the Marine Lair, podcasts, the Mariners lose game one of the American Lake Division series.
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01:00 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I've, in my lifetime, I've watched two playoff games at home, 29 innings of baseball over $600 spent on tickets, two runs, two losses, and plenty of bad managerial decisions along the way.
01:19 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what the fuck?
01:24 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're going to have to stop me at some point in this podcast, because it's it's it's it's so bad it's so bad you know what let's get everything else out of the way first let's let's do the offense and then we can dive into what we very very strongly reacted to on social media so let's do the offense first.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: not enough run score.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Two runs bullpen game at home.
01:48 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from Julio and Cal, nobody stepped up.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't have it.
01:52 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a bad offensive night and they just could not come through in any situation.
01:57 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from Julio, both of his home run and his single.
02:01 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
02:01 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And like,
02:05 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's people leaving us comments and I saw some people talking.
02:08 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, well, like we'll get to the pitching version of Dan Wilson, but it's like Dan Wilson pushing pushing buttons on the offense and eating a pinch hit them and I'm sitting and looking at this this starting line up the Mariners rolling out.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why can't these guys be the nine guys that hit doesn't matter who's coming out of the bullpen.
02:25 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The the tiger is through two lefties.
02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They threw brand herder and
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, what was the other guy's name?
02:30 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They threw another lefty who is not one of the most dominant left handers I've ever seen in the world.
02:35 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're complaint, if someone's complaint about the offense could be, oh, there were situations in like the fifth and sixth or seventh inning, that Dom can zone or Victor Robless could have been pinch it for, and they could have generated more offense.
02:50 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I just don't see that.
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners hitters outside of Kalin Julio went over 28 with one walk.
02:57 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They reach space one time the entire game.
03:01 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: There's gotta be a point where the team's throwing a bullpen game and you got to put pressure on them, you got to make AJ hint to that slide fucking smirk on his face to make a decision under pressure.
03:15 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He did not really have to make, make pressure decisions as a manager tonight because the mayor didn't put pressure on him.
03:21 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They had one inning or Julio drove in a run.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They had Julio hitting a solo home run and then nothing else.
03:28 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no pressure on any of the tiger's pictures really all game.
03:32 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The crowd tried, but that clearly wasn't enough to rattle anybody.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing.
03:38 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Not enough.
03:39 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: God, can people tell our voices or just cooked?
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could you imagine if we were there for seven more innings?
03:46 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean no no dude.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean not going back to me.
03:51 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: There was there was a lot of screaming going on.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker coming for me.
03:55 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, even TJ and TJ usually the mellow one of the two of us, but he was he was going through it tonight too.
04:01 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I certainly lost my voice.
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's another note with this offense too.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not all just like bad approach.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Domkin's own didn't have a good night at the plate.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Victor Robless didn't have a good night at the plate.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: JP had
04:14 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: JP scorched a ball and I'll get to this point here in a second But otherwise, I didn't think had a really great night at the plate Randy was okay Nailer, yeah, Nailer didn't really pin a ball that hard.
04:26 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll game Gino was not good at the plate tonight Gino was He has been really struggling.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's been a problem for about a month now.
04:34 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
04:35 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought the Mariners did get a little unlucky offensively as well.
04:39 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Tonight, here's some, if we want to dive into the numbers a little bit deeper, deeper.
04:44 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tigers barreled one ball all night and it burles the combination of launch and going eggs of velocity.
04:49 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we guess, Lyle, which ball that was?
04:53 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Carry, carpenter, great.
04:55 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So they had one burl ball all night resulted in two runs.
04:59 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners barreled five balls tonight.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, how many landed for hits?
05:03 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: How many?
05:05 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: one.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Who else, Homerun?
05:07 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
05:09 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There are four others that were barreled tonight that the Mariners did not get hits on.
05:15 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There was Josh Nailer flew out.
05:19 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Six 10 expected batting average would have been a home run in two parks out Flout for JP Crawford there in the eighth inning that would have been huge 880 expected batting average out Yeah, not great Randy fly out one oh two off the bat home run in at least one ballpark 620 expected batting average Jorge Palanco 370 foot fly out another barrel
05:47 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: no good results for the Mariners like there's really no good way to spin it they didn't walk enough they didn't put enough pressure on the tigers they didn't get lucky if there's any way to to even if like we're not small ball people but they there's no there's nothing else to put pressure on it so like even
06:04 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It, once things weren't landing, if they were to think in like maybe Luke Rayley when he came into the game was thinking about trying a push button with no one on it, they didn't try that either.
06:13 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not we agreed with the decision or not, the end result was not good enough.
06:17 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't any pressure, there wasn't any guys on base besides Kalon Julio, and ultimately there were, there is unlucky and not enough results on the field.
06:26 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we're going to just paint a big picture here, that right there is the biggest reason why they lost.
06:31 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about the other.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Huge reason in the game.
06:34 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about the other huge reason in the game, but if I were to tell you while that the Mariners in a bullpen game against Detroit, we're gonna score two runs in 11 innings.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you think?
06:47 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fair point, two runs and 11 innings, bullpen game.
06:51 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Detroit is coming in on fumes.
06:53 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They have exerted every bit of energy possible in the first series.
06:57 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're throwing their middle-to-pack bullpen at you without any real dominant arms in any sense.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And you scored two runs and 11 innings.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you supposed to win like that?
07:10 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you supposed to win like that?
07:11 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I came in here on here and said,
07:13 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners lineup is so much better than the Guardian's lineup.
07:17 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They should be able to handle this Tiger's pitching step, and they did not, and that's a problem.
07:21 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If they play like the Guardians, play down to the Guardians level of talent, and that's an issue.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I see what you're saying.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You're comparing them to the Guardians when the Guardians were playing the Tiger's.
07:30 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I got it.
07:31 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Guardians scored more runs.
07:33 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yeah, they did.
07:35 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so through seven and a half minutes of this podcast, I think it's fair to say.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Events wasn't good, so that's simple.
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09:17 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we did our crash out version of this on social media, clearly, because I did, I mean, first off, you can just tell, by the way, certainly I'm talking, by the way, probably both of us are talking in that video, but we'll keep it a little cooler to start this, to lay the numbers out for everybody, and then we'll probably just go in again.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just start here.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely unacceptable from Dan Wilson.
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely unacceptable.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Those numbers are right in front of you.
09:45 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They're right in front of you.
09:47 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And by every account, they were either ignored or never looked at.
09:52 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Because anyway, on social media, I was saying the situation you're laying out is,
09:58 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Good point.
09:59 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The home run in the fifth inning from George Kirby to Carrie Carpenter.
10:03 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when we were talking about this on social media, I got some words wrong because again, head spinning, we're seeing rad.
10:09 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I said things like Carpenter crushes lefties because I was probably talking a million miles an hour.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Carpenter crushes righties.
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't hit lefties at all.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea here was to go to the lefty.
10:21 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: in that situation, take Kirby out of the game for as good as he'd been, nothing about that matchup in a tight, tight, massive game, favor that matchup.
10:33 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They ignore it and carpet are absolutely unloaded on that baseball.
10:37 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to go through the numbers or do you want you to, or do you want to read on me?
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go through the numbers here in a second.
10:42 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just give me my first thoughts on this.
10:43 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I find it hard to believe that the Mariners organization, when we talk about some of the decisions they make, they like to make organizational decisions on how they manage the roster and how they strategize games.
10:53 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just too many people, too many smart people working in the org for them to let any scenarios slip past them or they get to a situation that they say, oh, I don't know what to do.
11:02 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I haven't thought about this yet, so they had Carrie Carbender versus George Kirby third time threw map down with X amount of runs lead.
11:10 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: This scenario changes if the Mariners do what they probably should have against the Tigers bullpen and let them up like the Brewers let the cubs up and game one today and they, you know, they take it to them early and then it's like, all right, who care, like, let's get George Kirby through five doesn't matter if he gives up a nuke to Carrie Carbender, do what you got to do.
11:29 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing to back up the decision of leaving George Kirby in the game against Carpenter third time through there on that fifth inning and it's not like they just wanted length out of George Kirby because guess what if you would have pulled him there you would have pulled George Kirby at four and two third's innings what did they do with George Kirby they pull them after five There's not that much of a difference.
11:50 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't send them back out there for the sixth to try and get
11:55 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If they thought that they liked the matchup of George Kirby versus the Tigers lineup after Riley Green and Carrie Carpenter
12:04 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: because they're all their righties or they're just on as good.
12:07 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: In which case, I came out on this podcast before and I said, I didn't think of the tires were that good.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would've been a little bit more okay with it.
12:14 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But those Pacific scenario up one run with Carrie Carpenter at the plate with everything you're about to lay out is just, it just doesn't make any sense.
12:21 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're just struggling to understand why that decision was made.
12:26 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, the only explanation is either Dan Wilson is not looking at the numbers or he's ignoring the numbers.
12:33 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that simple.
12:34 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There is too many people in the organization to not go through everything.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many smart people in the org.
12:40 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt this was presented.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You remember when, obviously, Yordon Alvarez walked off the Mariners.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this.
12:46 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners went through that exact scenario.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That exact scenario.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They plan through this stuff.
12:51 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that was executed well, but believe it or not, the matchup was right for that, because the idea was get right in there.
12:58 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not get his slider hit against lefties.
13:01 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So the idea was have them throw sliders to Yordon to get him out.
13:04 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, he was not throwing sliders, but fastball was what killed him.
13:08 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But the idea there,
13:10 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: was a sound process.
13:12 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the execution was wrong.
13:14 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Here, I don't know what the hell is going on, because you're right.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way the Mariners front office doesn't know what we know.
13:21 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is pull up a baseball reference page.
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's public to us.
13:26 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's public to you.
13:27 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's public to everybody, listening to this podcast.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's public to everything.
13:30 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely public to the people in the Mariners front office who have all this data and plenty more.
13:35 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
13:37 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt they can see what we see and hears what's in front of them and in front of us.
13:44 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: George Kirby the third time through an order, entering this game.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: actually for the season.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: George Kirby entering this, oh my god.
13:52 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: George Kirby third time through the order this season has a 929 OPS against him.
13:58 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, he has been absolutely crushed the third time through the order all year.
14:02 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I mean, it's almost untenable.
14:04 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That says every hitter is destroying him as a whole third time through the order.
14:08 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Lineups is a whole.
14:10 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea we said was to go get Gabe Spire to pitch to carry carpenter in
14:19 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Carri Carpenter this year against left-handed pitching is hitting 238 and his OPS is in the 600's to be exact at 638 against left-handed pitching.
14:31 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you like Carri Carpenter splits for his career?
14:34 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a career 866 OPS against right-handed pitching, a career 606 OPS against lefties.
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Carri Carpenter is a borderline non-big league hitter against left-handed pitching.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So that parts laid out, right?
14:47 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby gets crushed the third time through an order.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Carpenter hits right, he's extremely well, and he does not hit lefties.
14:54 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Kerry Carpenter also had four home runs in tenet bats against Kirby going into that matchup.
15:01 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Four, four homeers.
15:02 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Carpenter crushes Kirby, he owns it.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matchup that doesn't favor him.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, what could they have done?
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're saying go to the lefty.
15:10 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to Gabe Spire, who was warming in that bullpen, by the way, Spire and Ferguson, the two lefties were both warming.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: None of them came in the game.
15:18 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And Gabe Spire for the year, which side do you want?
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You want the lefty lefty?
15:22 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll tell you, Gabe Spire against lefties this year has a 179 batting average against?
15:30 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: and an OPS against a 516.
15:34 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So, carry carpenter hits in the 600's OPS-wise against lefties, while Gabe Spire's giving up an OPS against lefties in the 500's.
15:42 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you say that matchup is sound?
15:44 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, everything about that says go get Gabe Spire into face carpenter.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now how about Spire at home?
15:51 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: What does Gabe do at home does he pitch while at home versus on the road?
15:55 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: At home this season, Gabe's Vire has a 160, ERI 160, and it gets better than that, a whip of 0.59.
16:07 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get hit at home, he doesn't get hit against lefties, carpenter doesn't hit lefties, he crushes righties, curvy gets crushed a third time through the order, and curvy is worse against lefties than righties.
16:18 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We just laid out every single number about this matchup.
16:21 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you again, did Dan Wilson ignore the numbers or did he never look at them?
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody looked at them.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He did.
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's what's confusing.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You had both lefties hot in the bullpen.
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like clearly somebody was thinking about it.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So why didn't they go to them?
16:40 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, did they get cold feet?
16:43 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: because after a carbon or Homer's green, a Kirby stays in the game and Riley Green gets a base hit.
16:49 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you have both of your lefties up in the bullpen, for this scenario, if we're gonna sit here on this podcast in our series preview and say, you cannot let Riley Green and Kerry Carpenter beat you.
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody else, cause you have the advantage.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody else you can let beat you.
17:09 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot let Carrie Carpenter and Riley Green the only two bad matchups really you have in that Tiger's line up beat you and the Mariners have their guys warm in the bullpen for that scenario and they still took a mountain visit Before that Carrie Carpenter at bat, but decided not to pull the trigger that feels like cold feet, but I don't understand why
17:33 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If they didn't look at the numbers, they're probably would've been a righty up in the bullpen, but no, they're thinking about it because there's lefties up in the bullpen.
17:42 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so then, so what, like I'm not, you don't know the answer to this question.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the answer to this question.
17:48 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Only the coaching staff knows, and they're not gonna say it publicly.
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they never beat.
17:52 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They never say anything publicly.
17:54 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This is half the problem, like there's no answers given ever to decisions that are made.
18:00 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like the decision was like thought out and ultimately decided not to get used, which is confusing.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's confusing.
18:07 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That means someone has to, Dan has to make the call down to the bullpen to tell them to warm somebody up.
18:13 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
18:15 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're okay.
18:16 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So fine.
18:17 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's thinking about it.
18:18 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So why the cold feet then?
18:21 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's so we chickened out or he like tried to quote unquote go with your gut, even though zero things, zero things, favor that matchup and they did it anyway.
18:35 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So you think the answer here's he, he chickened out got cold feet.
18:42 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
18:43 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, it could have been any one of these, they could be any number of things.
18:47 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, somebody in the organization has these numbers.
18:51 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: People are smart way smarter than us up in that front office.
18:54 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way they don't know what we know.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: This is all public.
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: This is, I mean, it's right there in front of you.
19:00 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And the worst thing about all this, it's not even like George made a bad pitch.
19:03 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He threw a pitch up and out of the strikes and like clearly up and out of the strikes and carpenter's still fucking crushed the ball.
19:13 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, I think that was the highest pitch he's ever sober on his career.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sarah Langs tweeted it out of me, okay.
19:18 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So then to answer your question, I guess it's not like, it is.
19:23 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Which again, just makes me even more mad.
19:25 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, everything that could have gone wrong and that at that.
19:29 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't every single thing yeah so that was the highest pitch carry carpenters ever homer in his career which again goes back to this and like and maybe we didn't make this clear on social media i mean probably not because we were going crazy but again this this is not about George Kirby Kirby didn't do anything wrong and he didn't do anything wrong
19:48 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: and his own right to stay in that game.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, they told him to stay in the game.
19:52 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He battled, he did the best he could, ultimately Carpenter just beat him.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not on Kirby.
19:58 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on the decision makers to pull the plug there.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And like again, I don't like, this is not about Kirby.
20:04 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I go out there telling hell of a job, George, you did your job, you kept the boys in the game, you did everything we asked you to do tonight.
20:10 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, it's not about Kirby, Kirby pitched great.
20:14 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just in that matchup, you cannot play with fire there.
20:18 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I tell him, maybe Kirby would have been mad to get yanked that early, but you're right.
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They pulled him after five anyway.
20:24 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And you just have to tell him, look, we needed Gabe in there for that matchup.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You like, the game was too close.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't mess with it.
20:32 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We have got to get out of this inning.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that simple, it's not about Kirby.
20:35 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the process and decision making through that about which was totally unsound.
20:41 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So to your point about the carpenter Homer, it's nothing that Kirby could have done.
20:46 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, that is just a terrible matchup for Kirby.
20:49 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And not to mention, again, the fact that that was the fifth carry carpenter Homer and eleven of bats against George Kirby.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a matchup that favors them.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You kept them in check twice.
21:00 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
21:01 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Third time through the order which we talked about does not favor Kirby you've got to get them out they didn't get them out And here we are last thing like last thing on this Actually no go ahead you respond then I'll then I'll save it.
21:13 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've like sort of a general game take off of this But okay, so last thing we've been asked all year man you guys talking about Dan Wilson a lot in the full-pens decisions Why the teams winning they're doing well
21:25 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, for this, for this, this is what we've talked about all year.
21:30 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about singular games they lose, because they got the two seed they got into the playoffs, ultimately had a great regular season.
21:37 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for this and praying and just hoping and wishing and stressing and harping.
21:43 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: On please, learn as you go on throughout the year about in-game both pen decisions.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Please don't let a playoff game cost you.
21:53 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It costs you and it may have just cost you your season.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That can't happen.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It can not happen and it happened.
22:01 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: My general takeaway from how the Mariners managed this game.
22:05 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: First game of Dan Wolf's Managing in the playoffs did feel a little passive.
22:12 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, and it's, that's not just the Kirby decision.
22:15 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what I mentioned earlier about not really pinch hitting at all, not that there's great options to pinch it on the bench, but they did not once, really, outside of Luke Raylee, go to a quote unquote matchup off the bench.
22:33 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They did use all their leverage guys in, in the first nine innings, but the game was also tied.
22:39 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I understand why they did that.
22:43 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw some quibble about Bryce Miller, potentially pitching that eleventh inning instead of, we can get to him here in a second, Carlos Vargas.
22:54 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I have a really strong take about that, but one I would think about is that it did feel a little passive to me in the managerial saw.
23:05 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The only, actually, the last thing I need to mention about, uh, about this Kirby and Kerry Carverner decision, AJ Hinch was trying so hard to hide the smirk on his face, seeing that match up.
23:16 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I even think, I don't even, people were making a big deal earlier today about AJ Hinch bringing this magic to the Troy Tigers.
23:24 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me honest, AJ Hinch didn't do shit today for the Tigers to help them with that game.
23:29 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
23:30 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Hinch did.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: is let the Mariners make a mistake.
23:33 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he did.
23:34 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no like quasi like outsmarting his opponent there.
23:38 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He just essentially managed the game how he should have and they won the game from it.
23:44 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But he had a Smirk on his face.
23:47 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: As I'm going to put the tweet up for people to see.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put it on screen to so people can see what we're talking about.
23:53 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He's literally laughing at Dan Wilson.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's laughing.
23:56 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh my god.
23:56 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You just let Kerry Carbender hit for a third time against Kirby.
23:59 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know who I bet you had all those numbers that we're talking about right now?
24:03 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: AJ Hinch?
24:04 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: because that's the guy that believes in analytics and looks at all the numbers and has all this stuff mapped out.
24:10 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was caught laughing at the decision on camera.
24:15 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's another thing to think about with this situation.
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If you bring in Gabe, what does AJ Hinch do?
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you take one of your four best hitters out of the lineup as an attempt to score?
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, dude.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why you've got to go do that and make that decision.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You force the tiger's hand.
24:33 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You either say we're letting carpenter face the lefty or we're taking him out of the game.
24:38 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Get in a ritey who by the way Gabe still thrives against rites.
24:41 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But you go get a ritey and then he is out of the game the rest of the of the contest.
24:46 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's out.
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You force the tiger's hand and you did not even.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_00]: pressure them into doing that.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Did not pressure.
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There were zero zero zero zero thing.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Very happy he didn't have to make that decision.
24:58 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
24:59 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ hinges very happy he did not have to make that decision.
25:01 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean there are zero things that justify that decision.
25:05 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And again I just want to stress this as much as possible.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not on Kirby.
25:10 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby did what he was asked to do and ultimately four and two thirds and two and or
25:14 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: 4 and 2 thirds innings 2 runs, a lot of times should win you a playoff game and that comes back to the offense like we talked about not doing enough.
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He did what he had to do in that abat, it's just a matchup that doesn't favor him.
25:24 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's matchups that don't favor every pitcher.
25:27 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And when that happens, especially in a playoff game, you've got to act on it.
25:31 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, Kirby vs. Kerry Cargarner is just not a matchup that works in Kirby's favor in any way.
25:38 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're the manager, it's on you to act on it.
25:41 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it may have lost you a game, and it may have lost you your season.
25:45 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying seasons over, of course it's just the first game of the series.
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows who's pitching on Sunday.
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to me to tell you who's pitching on Sunday.
25:53 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to see the best in the world on the mound.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And you got to go beat him.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they beat him twice.
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see what happens in the playoffs.
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a chance you're without Josh Nailer in the lineup.
26:03 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we didn't even get to talk about that today because again, it came out Sunday, but yeah, Josh Nailer maybe going on paternity leave at some point.
26:08 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to and Brian moves off the roster, which is the Bryce Miller point.
26:13 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why he's not pitching out of the pen because they may need him to start a game now.
26:17 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair, but he would pitch on Wednesday and you'd only probably throw him out of the bullpen for an inning.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, too.
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is this is the last thing here, because I don't want to go too long.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody wants to listen to an hour-long podcast.
26:29 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying
26:31 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Carlos Vargasman like you got to put somebody else in that game.
26:35 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We said we didn't want to see him with an any game with unlike seven runs He can't throw in a tie game in extra innings and I'm not saying Once you got past your main four guys that it's an easy call because the the weak link of the Mariners Yes, is the lower leverage middle leverage guys of that bullpen
26:52 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: but somebody else has got to be in that game.
26:54 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's Emerson, whether it's Luke Jackson, it's gotta be somebody else.
26:59 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's just been too many times Vargas is running to this situation and he has not had it.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have command.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He did not make his pitches.
27:07 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: and a coathom.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And the run almost entirely scored because of him.
27:12 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lead off walk in extra innings can't happen.
27:16 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Spiked a 100 mile an hour sinker that allowed torque to take second base.
27:23 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And while the single was, you know, a kind of bogus seeing eye single, like the
27:36 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: taking the regular season extra earnings rule and giving it to the Tigers for free while the Mariners soak it to use it.
27:43 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's brutal.
27:44 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's tough to watch unfold in front of our eyes.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And you called it you didn't want to watch.
27:50 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watch.
27:50 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watching Carlos Fargas.
27:52 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so so we're going to out me here.
27:53 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
27:53 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in the truck.
27:54 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to out you here.
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in the trust tree here with everything.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anyone listening is going to be very shocked.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in the trustee with everybody listening.
28:02 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: When Carlos Vargas came into that game in the 11 inning, I got up out of my seat, walked down the stairs, and into the concourse, because I told TJ and all our buddies we were sitting with.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm now watching this.
28:12 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I got out of my seat, walked into the concourse, and just listened to Rick Riz on the radio, pacing around, hoping I was gonna be wrong and Vargas got out of that inning, I was not wrong.
28:20 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't, and I said I didn't wanna watch that, and I wasn't gonna watch it, and I didn't.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't, I didn't watch that inning.
28:25 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not gonna watch Carlos Vargas.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So big picture here entering Game 2.
28:31 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You have given the Tigers an out, essentially.
28:35 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tigers just threw their bullpen for 11 innings in Game 1.
28:40 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They had to spend their bullpen a lot in Games 2 and 3 against the Guardians.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They were already going to be tired.
28:48 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You were hoping that you would head into a terrible school game with their bullpen exhausted and them down, oh, one.
28:55 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they, assuming Terriq's scubal pitch as well, he could crap the bed, but more likely he's going to come out and deal for at least five to six innings tomorrow, or something, whenever you're listening to this, actually, it's technically something to say today.
29:09 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Tonight, he could come out and shove, and that will get the tiger's bullpen back on track because they have an off day on Monday to rest.
29:17 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It works out a lot better if you go back to Detroit 1-1 losing a tarry scuba, then if you face an O2 hole heading on the road, because you had the favorable matchup and game 1, where you have the pitching advantage, you have the lineup advantage.
29:33 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You have the home field advantage and you piss it down your leg and don't take advantage of it.
29:39 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And now everything is working in the Tiger's favor where they get to rest, they have a lead, they've taken home field back, and now you are backed against the wall.
29:48 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The stat is that in this format, if you lose game one at home as the host team and the division series, best to five series, you now only win about 26% of the time.
30:03 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: back against the wall.
30:04 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, think about four times the Tigers will win this.
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about it as simply as this.
30:09 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They get two starts remaining in this series with Terriq Scooble.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be game two and game five.
30:14 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So both the potential remaining home games in this series and the other two that get in their ballpark backs against the wall.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta win three of those.
30:24 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have to beat school once or twice and you're gonna have to win a game into Troy.
30:29 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you're probably gonna have to go win the Reynorot.
30:32 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, beat school tomorrow, like magically, I guess, pray on it, keep the game close, get them out of the game, and hopefully you get to the Tigers bullpen this time, and then go win both into Troy and don't let the series come back to Seattle.
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Just run up his pitch count.
30:46 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, make him uncomfortable in the fifth inning.
30:50 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Walk.
30:51 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: fouls and pitches off run up that pitch count something that they just did not do enough tonight.
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they lose this series and again, it's not over.
30:59 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Things can change.
31:00 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know it is baseball.
31:02 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If they lose this series, you better believe we are going to be talking that talking about that at back.
31:08 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby versus Carpenter all off season in the next season.
31:12 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if everybody views it like the yard on a bat.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: right now I do in less they win this series.
31:20 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to view that about all off season as this year's Yord on a bat except the Yord on a bat had sound logic to it.
31:28 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just poorly executed.
31:30 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This one wasn't terribly executed by Kirby.
31:33 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It is it is that he just never should have been in there to start and there's a chance at cost of mariners their season.
31:39 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance Dan Wilson's decision making as we feared a lot this year could cost the mariners their season.
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If there were to lose a series, I guess for me, it just depends how they lose the series.
31:48 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It opens turtles for three games, then that's the blame.
31:52 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, sure, but again, if you, that game's a two-nothing win tonight for the Mariners, if not for Dan Wilson.
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: For as bad as the offense was, that's a two-nothing Mariners win without Dan Wilson doing that.
32:01 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So how much changes with a one-nothing lead, even if you lose the school start, and then you split into Troy, and yes, you'd have to face school again in game five, but then it's a two-two coming back to your ballpark.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: etc.
32:13 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That game is going to be circled as a game that should have been the Mariners every single time you face the bullpen game You had it at home.
32:19 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You had George Kirby going at home favorite you in every way.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That matchup cannot be allowed to be deployed They allowed it to be deployed.
32:26 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It killed them I'm gonna send it and they cost them their season.
32:29 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna send us in a game to it this every thing needs to be better Every single thing needs to be better.
32:35 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's not You were gonna lose a series to a team you're better then and that frankly is just
32:42 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: it's not acceptable no no it's not all right again we don't want to go too long so let's wrap it up let's all reset try to come back for game two again send like cross your fingers and pay for Etsy witches and do whatever you have to do to
32:59 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: find a way for the Mariners to beat Terriq School and Game 2 because they need all the Voodoo that can cook up for this.
33:04 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They got to find a way to beat him.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's do that.
33:06 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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