Lyle and TJ open the show bantering about the World Series and Shohei Ohtani. They then dive into their outfield grades for the 2025 Mariners season:
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00:00 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But when episode number 318 of the Marine Layer podcast, it's our outfield grades episode will go around the Mariners outfield and DH and hand out our 2025 season grades.
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00:46 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the Just Baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday evening October 28th Her there's a pretty good baseball game on Monday that I missed.
01:00 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've kept my promise not watching a single second of the world series.
01:06 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I missed a lot.
01:08 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't turn it on at any point.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: At no point at all?
01:12 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:13 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not in front of a TV where I could turn on the game and watch.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:17 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be fair, you're like a lot of Seattle.
01:19 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people just will not turn this world series on.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame them.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Look.
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I might have broken it on Monday.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I might have broken my promise on Monday.
01:28 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Had I just been sitting at home and I would have, you know, gotten my work done and it's, yeah, it's in the fucking 13, 14, 15th inning and will clients in the game?
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you bet your ass I'm turning the game on.
01:39 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Betcha got to support the Tacoma Reigners, but I wasn't at home.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So, can watch.
01:47 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: that isn't saying that he came into that game in thru four shot out innings shout out to him six I mean aside from writing seventy five pitches to hero of that game aside from pretty hero of that game i i just got to do one thing here quickly can i can i can i just remind people before you go off on your rent can i can i just remind people
02:04 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you were not familiar with Will Klein this year, there were some thoughts that he would at least throw a little bit in the Mariners bullpen this year in meaningful spots.
02:14 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He has had some decent stuff when I tell you guys he was bad in Tacoma.
02:19 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He was bad.
02:20 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He had an ERA over seven with the Tacoma Rainiers.
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's a world series hero.
02:28 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Go figure.
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go ahead, sorry.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: the Dodgers don't always do that though.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's incredible.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's Taylor will climb.
02:37 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can draw it up with a bunch of guys.
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Max Muncie, Justin Turner, they're so many.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's just referencing Mariners.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, well, that's fair.
02:46 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to spend a minute on this and let me prove it with this.
02:50 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably going to be some of you guys that say Laila is a complete waste of time.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you still going on about this?
02:56 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The answer is because I will never ever get over it.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's probably wasted effort.
03:03 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But watching show-hey in the world series, doing what he's doing on the biggest stage, the fact he hits the game-trying home-run, four-extra-based hits.
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He reaches base nine times and helps anchor the Dodgers' offense to that win.
03:16 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners blocking at the money two years ago for him is embarrassing it will forever be Embarrassing it will continue to be embarrassing because not only did you turn down the opportunity to go and try and sign the greatest player to ever play this game you literally turned down making money and This is what everybody talked about when he was a free agent everybody knew that contract was going to pay for itself and then sum
03:42 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: the Dodgers made over $700 million in year one of show hey year one they made it all back in the first year now imagine where they're at now was he ever going to come to Seattle I don't know and we got plenty of comments about that on social media when we were talking about it say he was never coming here he was always going to be a Dodger it's not about that
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't even try.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you had done what the Blue Jays did and gave it your all, then fine.
04:04 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, it's his decision and you can't do anything about it.
04:07 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You blocked at the money and did not even try.
04:10 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: At an opportunity to sign the greatest player to ever play this game and make money and profit, you said no.
04:18 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's, it will never not be incredible.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will have my jaw open about it for the rest of the time.
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about not signing him.
04:25 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It is about not trying insane.
04:31 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't muster the energy to get angry at something that happened two years ago.
04:36 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I don't want to just be the one to say, I tell, I'm telling you so while he never would have come here.
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He never would have come here.
04:43 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're right, the manager should have at least tried.
04:46 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Lyle, all reports on Reddit were saying that he offered, they offered him a one-year deal for $65 million.
04:54 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, what happened to that?
04:56 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Still one of our funnest episodes ever when we did that.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sorry, you could go ahead.
05:05 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't care that it was two years ago.
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if it's 20 years from now.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the best player to ever live.
05:15 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We may feel like complete our lives never ever seeing a better player than this.
05:21 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: In the next 200 years, may go on and we never see a better player than this.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry, you didn't even try.
05:26 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: $700 million was an underpay at this point.
05:31 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: would you have the same same frustration at the murders are playing in the world series right now you have doesn't matter would you have the same frustration of the matters one the world series i mean when you win a world series how much can you really complain about you win a world series but to have that guy on your team for the next decade i'm sorry i won't get over it
05:55 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't must have the energy for that I can't like so you're saying you're mad at the mariners for not trying Yes, we have a better more egregious example of them not trying sooner than that.
06:08 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
06:08 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes You showed it because we bitched and complained about it all off season and if they had had the off season They had lost off season, but show hey was on the roster you better believe I would have lived with it a hell of a lot more
06:22 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like their decision last off season, which by the way, last off season, outside of signing Jorge Planco, which was fine, but Jorge Planco is coming off an injury and essentially needed a rebound season to put himself in place this off season to make more money.
06:38 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of that, the mayor in her spent $3.5 million on Donovan, Solano, and essentially tread water around 500 until the trade deadline, where they went out and they acquired the two best players at the deadline and ran away to the American League West title.
06:51 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that is what happened more recently than show Hayo Tani, which is why, since we have literally all of this evidence, way more recent than show Hayo, and what much more realistic than show Hayo, I just can't like, I just can't right now sit down and get angry at it.
07:14 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do it.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I can, I can't, it's like, it's over.
07:17 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not kidding.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's over.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will not get over it for the rest of my life.
07:21 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the best player to ever play this game with an opera that is a walking cash cow for getting even the baseball factor You just care about the dollar figures.
07:29 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a walking cash cow and you were like no So you're telling me the Mariners are gonna cause you trauma for the rest of your life I mean brother, they've been doing it for 20 years.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What's another yonder?
07:41 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: What's another 60 to 65 gonna do?
07:45 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was a pretty good night for show.
07:47 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I will say don't you give up a home run to Vlad Tonight as of recording.
07:51 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know what?
07:53 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'll be fine.
07:55 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I I would I would have done it in heartbeat and heartbeat you got to try you did they did not try Okay anything else you'd off your chest?
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just want people to know that it could be 50 years from now and I won't get over that
08:10 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What did the Mariners have like four world series make it easier?
08:13 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But those four world series could be in twenty five years.
08:16 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What about the time we have to wait in between them when you could have a show.
08:22 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're still complaining after they win the world series, then I'm going to get mad at you.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well fine, but until they do that, I'm going to.
08:30 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the only reason you have traumas because they have them in success.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's that's that.
08:34 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If they were successful without show, hey, you wouldn't care.
08:36 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's facts, but until they do that.
08:40 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It will haunt me for the end of time.
08:42 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, in that time span, since he signed with the Dodgers show he has never not been a World Series champion.
08:48 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's on his way right now to being a two-time World Series champion.
08:56 --> 08:56 [UNKNOWN]: So.
08:56 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:56 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Signing good players makes one of the World Series a heck of a lot easier.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell you that, bunch.
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Two teams, New World Series is here.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely embody that.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So take notes.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you ready for some grades?
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do some grades.
09:09 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it is time for our 2025 Mariners outfield grades.
09:14 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you missed our infield grades episode that we did on Monday, let me refresh you on how we're going to go about this.
09:19 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go around position by position, not player by player and hand out a grade for the 2025 season.
09:26 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: For this, we'll go clockwise.
09:29 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And to start, well, actually, no, let's get the DH last.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll start in the outfield.
09:34 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Left field.
09:35 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What is your grade for the season?
09:38 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Randy's grade up until the playoffs would have been in the A-Range because he had a far better year than any Mariners left fielders had in essentially 20 years.
09:48 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about though just absolute turn style of left fielders they've had for a decade, even more.
09:54 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy arose the rain has been the best left fielder the Mariners have had and God knows how long.
09:59 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But I went with a B-plus because ultimately what happened in the postseason was just a really tough watch.
10:05 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were just going to evaluate his regular season and the near-four-win year he put up, at least by reference it's four, baseball reference, yeah, that's an A or A minus season.
10:17 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened in the postseason?
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll knock it down to a B-plus.
10:20 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm right, yeah, I'm literally right there with you.
10:23 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He was sitting in an A minus until I watched what he did in the postseason.
10:27 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was tough to watch, because it's not just that he struggled, it's not that just like he had dumb canzone struggles, we'll talk about later in this episode.
10:36 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy was hitting either 1st or 5th or 6th in this Mariners lineup during the post season.
10:41 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Huge spots.
10:43 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Either in front of the two hottest hitters throughout the post season or behind the two hottest hitters in the post season and he just could not come through him.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He slugged in the playoffs.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: 271.
10:53 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: 271.
10:56 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He said seasons in his career, where's that a batting average higher than 271?
11:00 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, that's what he was slugging in the post season.
11:04 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: was really tough to swallow and was part of a reason why the mayor's didn't advance in the playoffs and they're not playing showing in the Dodgers right now.
11:12 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want that to overshadow the season Randy a rosary and had this year.
11:17 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that playoffs is going to leave a lot of people with a sour taste in their mouth for how they view Randy and they see his projected $18 million salary next year and they say, Hey, are we sure that's worth it?
11:29 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
11:30 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me cut to the chase.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is worth it.
11:33 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the Mariners should have Randy Rose were in applying in the outfield next year.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So defense perfect, no, in fact, it's not really good at all.
11:41 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But his bat is valuable and it helps you win games in the regular season and you'd hope if you get another shot at the postseason, you'd see a little bit more postseason Randy next year.
11:52 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I see it being a lot harder for them to make the postseason next year if they didn't ever Andy.
11:57 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%
11:59 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
12:00 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, what do you plan to do in left field instead if you were to move on from Randy and try to eat some of the salary?
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have another spot to fill.
12:09 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have enough spots to fill on this team already going into 2026.
12:13 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know that with Randy Rosarina out there, you're going to get 20 to 25 homers.
12:17 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get a guy that OPSs somewhere in the high 700s to low 800s.
12:28 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be one of the best left-fielders in baseball.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was an all-star this year.
12:33 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Up until September, he was the most valuable left-fielder in all baseball.
12:37 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He was leading left-fielders in war.
12:39 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy Orosarana needs to be on this roster, pencil in every day in 2026, postseason woes aside.
12:46 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This team cannot get to where it wants to get to, without Randy in the lineup.
12:51 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He has got to be here, and yes, he's a very valuable piece of the team.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And think of some of these accomplishments.
12:56 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He really got up near his career highs and a lot of categories.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was close in WRC+.
13:02 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He did set a career high in Homer.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He was one off his career high in stolen bases.
13:07 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in terms of stealing bases, he was one of the most effective base dealers in the entire league this year.
13:13 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Not all of his details are great, but like the stolen base details are pretty great for Brandy.
13:19 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: His table setting was fine.
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think he's a little bit better heading lower in the lineup.
13:27 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But overall again, there's so many things Randy did well this year that's why he earns a greatest as high as he did.
13:33 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And just got to go to our channel and look at Aaron Goldsmith trying name off the last 10 opening day left the oldest for the Mariners.
13:42 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you guys to compare those to Randy Rosarana and sit and be like,
13:46 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually that is pretty good.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm fine.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a pretty good memory.
13:49 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I can actually do it just from Looking at this list.
13:54 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 2016.
13:55 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Nori Ioki 2017 Gerard Dyson 2018 was No, I forget all right dog Why am I ready for getting 2018?
14:04 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll come back.
14:06 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean you watch him every day De Gordon no no watch him on the field every day
14:14 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, duh, each row.
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Each row at 45 years old.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 2019, Domingo Santana, 2020.
14:22 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Marmalayos, 2021.
14:25 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Jake Freely, 2022 and 2023.
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, sorry.
14:30 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: 2022, Jesse Winker, 2023, Jared Kalmick, who will always be near and dear to my heart, but unfortunately did not work out.
14:36 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: 2024 was Kanzon.
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He got sent back down to AAA that year.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And last year was Randy.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy a rose rain has to be the left field next year.
14:47 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He just has to.
14:49 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy a rose rain has better than all those players combined.
14:52 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:52 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, nobody's sitting here arguing that Randy's a perfect player.
14:55 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's saying that has strike out issues, not a great defender.
14:59 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, again, has his very high highs and is very low lows throughout the year.
15:06 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it all comes down to it, a left fielder that can hit in the middle of the order and be a 2020 guy on a yearly basis and be about a 115 to 120 WRC Plus header, it's a very valuable player.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he doesn't have to hit lead off next year.
15:19 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
15:20 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What if he hits fifth?
15:21 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: What if he hits sixth?
15:22 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Sign me all the way up.
15:24 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The only other negative in his game is the defense and the defense has just not gotten any better.
15:30 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's.
15:31 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not Jesse Winker, but whether it's his arm or it's his range, it was not very good.
15:39 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's routes weren't great, so like that's probably the one thing.
15:44 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And remember, you and I talked about early in the season or before the season started about putting him at DH.
15:51 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners said more pressing needs at DH this year, which is why he didn't play DH in fact, he only DH twice all season, would you say he killed them in the outfield?
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it was like the defense was bad?
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it really hurt them?
16:04 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: feel like it.
16:05 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now in one of those games in Detroit, he made a couple routes to a couple of those balls that were tough.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, that loss in Detroit was not on Randy Eros Arena.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That was on a multitude of things.
16:19 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He might have played a small part, but it was a lot of factors into why the Mariners got crushed into Detroit in that loss, where he made a couple of tough angles to a couple of baseballs.
16:28 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So no, despite him putting up negative five outs above average, I didn't feel like just off the eye test.
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He was killing them in the left field the way the Jesse wankered it.
16:37 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: His range really is, I think the thing that hurts in the most, but range is not only a Randy thing when you look at the Smerner's roster.
16:44 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of Mariners players who struggle with range on defense, not just him.
16:50 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy in the middle and field really struggle with that.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.
16:53 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think ultimately, for the roster to be at its best next year, Randy probably still needs to be playing left field.
16:59 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's some things he could work on in spring training that could just tighten a couple of things up, even if he's not going to be perfect out there, that he could just short things up a little bit for 2026.
17:09 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to structure the roster the best possible way, Randy probably needs to spend most of the time in left field.
17:15 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, again, he needs to be on this roster.
17:18 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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17:55 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your grade for center field this year?
18:00 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, centerfield was essentially occupied by one guy and one guy only, so if you want to talk about what grade the centerfielders get, aka Julio Rodriguez, tonight, and it's funny that we do this at the end of the year, given where so many of the conversations go throughout the course of a six month season, but Julio Rodriguez once again ends 2025 as the best centerfielder in Major League Baseball.
18:21 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He had arguably his best season of his career.
18:25 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's certainly what the best since his rookie year.
18:27 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: His defense continues to be elite.
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: His second half was elite.
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason is great.
18:32 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an eight plus is because he had a slow first half.
18:36 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, every single thing about Julio's season was an A level season.
18:41 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Get this step for how good his season was even with the bad first half.
18:46 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He finished 87th percentile this year, according to baseball, and batting run value, 90th and base running, and 90 second in feeling, they're only, sorry, 90 second in fielding.
18:59 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They're only two players in baseball this year who exceeded him in all three of those categories.
19:10 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it for someone who's first half at a point had a sub 100 WRC plus in June.
19:20 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: In July, I think it was a sub 100.
19:24 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But who will you turn it around to have an unbelievable second half read a 900 OPS?
19:28 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The defense was as good as we've seen it and as base running after taking a low last
19:40 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: that turns it into one of the most valuable.
19:43 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the pick-offs were the big reason why his mark was so low last year.
19:51 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:52 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so with a 90th percentile mark this year, I really think he cleaned that up enough this year to make him one of the most valuable base runners in baseball and one of the most valuable players in baseball and I really think he showed it in the second half how the Mariners were able to balance the two star seasons they had in front of them.
20:09 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You had Cal Raleigh's first half, which was historic of historics and Mariners history and then as Cal went back into about the 700 OPS range in the second half.
20:21 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio stepped up and really took the reins to, to the offense.
20:27 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the postseason, they both showed up and were unbelievable.
20:33 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: All the more reason to up the grade.
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio did not
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: crack under the pressure and any postseason play in any way.
20:40 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just look through it, game two against the Tigers has the ceiling hit.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He had the double down the left field line.
20:48 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He homeworked in game one of that series.
20:50 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at the BlueJ series.
20:51 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he homers to put him out to a three nothing lead early in game two.
20:57 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He homeworked in game seven.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He doubled in game seven.
21:00 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had his stamp all over both of those series.
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And Calder two.
21:04 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But what Julio did in the postseason compared to what he did in the second half and what is overall season number spit out to Yeah, man.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the best center field.
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a major league baseball.
21:13 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it like this Or did you have something you wanted to add?
21:16 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say there's a reputation among some people that Julio's not clutch It's pretty clutch to pretty clutch to mean the postseason biggest moments of his career was Absolutely nails
21:29 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: feels like to me you can almost argue he's underrated at this point because when he came up and when he bursts it on to the scene he was everywhere right and he still everywhere not only do the Mariners market I'm really well baseball does he is one of the guys in major league baseball that you see on a lot of ads and a lot of promotions and it got to a point where there was a lot of people out there who like to say things like he's overrated he's overhyped he hasn't lived up to it almost so much so to the point where that narrative's gotten
22:00 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: beaten into the ground so often, sadly sometimes by his own fan base, which is really not good in its own way, that it's almost gotten to the point where people underrate how good he is at this rate.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's just put it this simply.
22:14 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we set it through the course of the year, but let's definitively say it here at the end of your four of Julio Rodriguez.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, he's on pace for the Hall of Fame.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think enough people take that into account.
22:27 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio Rodriguez through four seasons has put up 23 wins above replacement.
22:32 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If you pro-write that and that rate stays up and stays at that pace through his next four years too, through eight years he'll be at 46 wins above replacement.
22:40 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There are players who have gotten into the Hall of Fame with 46 war for their career.
22:45 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio through eight seasons will be through his age 28 season.
22:50 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Now imagine if through that,
22:52 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He doubles that war for the rest of his career.
22:55 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: For the next, let's say he plays till he's, let's just say 40.
22:58 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say over his next 12 seasons after his age 28 year, he buds up another 46 wins.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a 90-win career player.
23:07 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guys, he's on pace to be a Hall of Famer.
23:10 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, his defense won't be a leap forever when you get into your 30s.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He may move off centerfield.
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: His offense will have to keep up.
23:17 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But to do what he's doing, not just by war, but to have over 100 homers through four seasons, to have three all-star games through four seasons, have two top five, or...
23:27 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Two top 10 MVP finishes through four seasons, and by the way, he made finish in the top 10 again this year, which would be three and four seasons.
23:35 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's on pace for Cooper's down, and we're at a point where people ignore that.
23:41 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: and you write there didn't even account for the fact he could have like a 9 or 10 win season in there.
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not even gotten close to.
23:48 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten this war number by his career high in fan graphs being 5.7.
23:54 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What if he gets up to a Bobby Whitt level season of war?
23:58 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Bobby Whitt had an 8 win season this year.
24:01 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's 2.3 wins higher than where Julio was at this year.
24:05 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio can definitely get to that mark in the next handful of years in his physical and his, I guess, physical and hitting prime as well.
24:15 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he's got the, he's got it in the field and at the plate as well.
24:20 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: What he's going to need to do, of course, is not play terribly or hit terribly for half a season.
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: because that's what he did this year.
24:27 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He was for most of the first half, got on really hot at the end, was about a league average shader.
24:34 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's just like a 110 from April, through July, that's not a good person.
24:44 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so here's the number, sorry, I have another point to make, but in the first half, this year he had a 110 WRC+.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a really hot week going into the All Star Break.
24:54 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, really hot series, which propelled him from sub 100 to 110 in the first half.
25:02 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were able to do like 120 in the first half, it's going to make huge difference.
25:06 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Race his floor that much more and have some of that contribution over April and May as well, which will help accumulate war, which war is a total stat.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a rate stat.
25:19 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The more he plays, the better.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another thing for everyone to consider as they listen to this.
25:24 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When Hulio Rodriguez steps on the field next year in his age 25 season, and plays probably one or two games, he'll be a top 10 player in Mariners history by war.
25:35 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 25.
25:35 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it took him four seasons.
25:39 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Four seasons and a game were two.
25:43 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a tenth of a point behind somebody.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy kind of crazy.
25:51 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it just kind of flies on to the radar because people get so worked up Over slow batches of the season and you look at the end.
26:00 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's It's pretty good as it mentioned with names like Bobby Whitt and Fernando Tauti's junior just like he should be yeah, he needs to be more consistent But still overall pretty good
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like we said in May when he was struggling.
26:13 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We said, look, as it may be frustrating right now, but we all know he's gonna get hot.
26:18 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And we said, can we promise you when it's gonna happen?
26:20 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We said, no, it may not be until August, but he's gonna get hot and his season's gonna end putting up an extremely valuable year.
26:26 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So what he does?
26:28 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he just starts the year on a little bit of a higher note, you're right, he could go win an MVP.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He could have an eight, nine more season.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He could have eight, nine more seasons, a couple different times in his career.
26:38 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he does it three or four different times.
26:42 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an incredibly valuable baseball player that unfortunately it times throughout the year does not get the recognition that he always deserves.
26:52 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't make any promises going into next year, but if Julio holds a 21% strikeout rate, into next season, and then takes those step forward steps forward offensively, like not tracing as much, which has been really the consistent problem of his career and led to him being a little bit more
27:11 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If you just improves on that a little bit more, just imagine.
27:15 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when the barrel meets the ball in the zone, it's as violent as anyone in baseball.
27:21 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So they can just do that.
27:22 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Take that incremental step forward, first chase rates, think we're looking pretty good.
27:28 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, defense base running has got figured out, and you know what, man?
27:33 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Give him some credit for improving on his plate discipline on a couple of different pitches this year.
27:39 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, last year, changeups really killed Julio.
27:42 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: His run value against changeups back in 24 was negative four.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He was hitting a buck 79 against changeups.
27:49 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He improved that big time in 25.
27:52 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio this year, he slugged almost 500 against changeups.
27:56 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: his he was much better in terms of run value did more damage against them wasn't chasing him as much he made some real strides that the plate i understand yes sometimes they'll still chase the sliders low in a way that may always just be a part of his game
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't mean bad player is a great player.
28:12 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Just maybe something he always can't get some.
28:15 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But there were things at the plate and with his plate this plan that he improved on this year.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And overall as we know, unreal year.
28:22 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And despite all these offensive struggles at times, he does not let it affect his defense, which is one of his better qualities.
28:29 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that centerfield defense is unbelievable.
28:32 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And really makes the mayor's that much better.
28:35 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, next, next and final position in the outfield.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Right field, what's your grade?
28:43 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a really weird grade, and credit to you because you were tweeting out about it here on Tuesday afternoon.
28:50 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right field is essentially a couple of good months of Dom Canzone and then everybody else who lost the team games by war.
28:59 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So overall, see?
29:04 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I, that's what I came out to see minus, that's what I can zone see, I give me a see minus, dumb kids don't give the Mariners about a third of the season of really quality right field production.
29:20 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the Mariners right field production over the other two thirds of them baseball season was the worst in major league baseball.
29:29 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners the other eight Mariners right fielders who spent time occupying that position this year Compined to play a hundred and twenty two games and we're worth negative two and a half wins above replacement eight separate players while Accumulated negative war There's not some positives and negatives mixed in mixed in here with Leo de Tavaris dragging down the whole bunch no they all sucked
30:00 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rough, I'll pull up the whole list of right-feelers of people need a reminder on who it is, but I mean, Dom can't zone, credit to where credits do with his 130 WRC plus is a right-feel there, but man, Luke Rayley, Samad Taylor, Ryland Thomas, Leo Reva, smiles, MasterBony, Victor Robless, still in more in Leotie to Varus.
30:22 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: just tanked whatever good value Domkin's own had over the like net whole season of it oh and then by the way in the postseason the worst position on the roster yeah for all the good that Domkin's own did in the regular season who've come October I mean game seventy was out of a lineup because as a bats were pretty uncompetitive for most of October he's three for twenty eight with three singles he'd a WRC plus in the postseason of negative 30
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not good.
30:54 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good.
30:54 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They should have just put Leotie to Varus out there.
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about all that.
30:59 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Leotie to Varus was untenable when he was out there.
31:04 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:07 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Not much of a... Not much of a difference of the postseason.
31:10 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, it was the same thing with Robles.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: His defense is better.
31:14 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: didn't hit much and look with Robles is contract he's got another year and then there's a team option in 2027 so him signing that extension really isn't a big deal because it was two years for nine million and then there's an eight million dollar team option in 27 so if you go an upgrade right field this winner, Victor Robles can still be your fourth outfielder.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: and need just be off the bench.
31:37 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think right field needs to seriously be looked at in terms of getting addressed this off season, because everybody's gonna focus on third base.
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: People are gonna focus on first base and getting galeer back as they should.
31:50 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I really think they gotta go look at right field.
31:54 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're allowed to believe in Dom Kanzone and also acknowledge they need an upgrade in right field because Dom Kanzone before this season,
32:02 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Had not proven he could hit at the big league level, comes up this year and proved he could hit at the big league level, but it was still less than half a season of production.
32:12 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Victor Robless just this past season showed you that a small, a less than half season sample of hitting well at the big league level does not necessarily translate year to year when you would not prove it in the past you could hit at the big league level.
32:27 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Victor Robless, Swallies and Washington, could not hit comes a Seattle in less than half a season.
32:33 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Please very well.
32:33 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very well.
32:35 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was less than half a season, right?
32:36 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 77 games with 77 games.
32:38 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:42 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So Domkin and the WRC pluses are within a point of each other.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of that, that time.
32:48 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a chance that Domkin's own bucks that trend and it puts up another 130 WRC plus next season, but it is not guaranteed.
32:58 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's my proposition.
32:59 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Domkin's own absolutely zurt himself on the Mariners roster next season.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: hit against writings.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean you can't go out there and you can't look for options.
33:08 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Give yourself options because the options the Mariners gave themselves, the gave themselves this year.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Ruffle.
33:14 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the way you split it up is Dom can't zone got an A grade and the other eight players you put out there got an F. That can't happen again.
33:25 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So don't let it, for anybody watching on YouTube.
33:29 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, tuck, okay, tuck, okay, tuck, okay, tuck.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't let it happen again.
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you will watch on YouTube because we're holding it right up to the screen.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, baby, you better go get Kyle Tucker.
33:41 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And even, even, sorry, go ahead.
33:45 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say, even with Dom's production, the mayor still had the 28th ranked right field group by war.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that ain't happening with K-Tuck.
33:55 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, and by the way, if you're a Kanzon believer, and you want to see what he's got again in 27, because you bought into the production he put up, which is totally reasonable for how he played in the second half.
34:07 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Going and upgrading it right field doesn't necessarily mean it phases out Kanzon, because again, let's be real, Kanzon's defense.
34:15 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: in exactly each year out there.
34:17 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want can zone to contribute, you want them to contribute with this bat and it's bats what's valuable when you're playing well.
34:23 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case, you can de-age.
34:25 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't end up bringing back Polanco, for example, because he demands too much money, somebody's willing to pay a more elsewhere, can zone good de-age a lot of the time.
34:32 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He could especially de-age against right hand of pitching, which you're gonna see the majority of throughout the course of the year, and then you have somebody else in right field.
34:42 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The funniest thing about this right field position is that they essentially stumbled their way out of an F grade.
34:48 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you remember how many things they tried before they actually laid it on Dom?
34:54 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, you listed it all out well.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so it starts with Robless and Rayleigh.
35:01 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, then they go to once Robless gets hurt, then they do some on Taylor as well as Rayleigh.
35:07 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they did Leo de Tavaris and then they met Din Miles Master Boni and they tried Leo out there.
35:14 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, don't forget by the Riley Thomas, sorry, who came up before Dom canzone did.
35:20 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, don't forget in the middle of the late summer months, those couple times a week, they'd run Dillon more out there.
35:27 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in time, it just melt down, honestly, at times, us included, because it's like, what are we doing?
35:35 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So as much as the Mariners tried, sometimes to not put Dom canzone out there, he did save them.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And right field this season.
35:42 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:43 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He did, but he saved them with his bat.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Because here's the honest truth about Dom Canzone.
35:48 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: When he's barreling on baseballs, he does what he did in the second half.
35:52 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: When he's not doing that, there's not all that much to his profile.
35:57 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't run, he doesn't field, he doesn't have a particularly valuable arm.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't hit left handed pitching.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: His walk.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not walk.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he does not walk.
36:09 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He chases a lot.
36:11 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He essentially has to crush right-handed pitching, or there's not that much to his profile.
36:16 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So all the more reason, you've got to go look at right field this winter.
36:21 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I am more okay letting third base work itself out than right field.
36:25 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because for all the struggles Ben Williamson had offensively, at least you know he'll provide some value with his defense.
36:30 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point in 2026, he expect Colta Emerson to be ready, in which case either him or JP Crawford will be playing third base.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The other will be at short.
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Right field man, if canzone doesn't hit,
36:42 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a black hole on your hands again, especially against, again, coming up.
36:48 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, especially against left handed pitching, if Robles doesn't figure it out.
36:53 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean you could wait until the deadline again, but I'd prefer the deadline to be a supplemental strategy rather than a resort.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: As the Mariners treated it this past season.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: What'd you get ended up working out for them?
37:06 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's not a guarantee that there's going to be a shining top of the line right field that are available at the deadline.
37:14 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:15 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Wish you was K-talk.
37:16 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be nice.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, doesn't matter.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Go sign them.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Facts.
37:21 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to our last position of these grades for the saposode, and let's end with designated hitter.
37:29 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: What are your grades for the DH position?
37:32 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nay.
37:33 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of it was filled by Jorge Polanco and Jorge Polanco absolutely went off in the post season in the second half in April, and despite a couple of down months in the middle of the year where he was battling some injuries, he's got a chance to go win a silver slugger.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That warrants a nay.
37:49 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're given Jorge Palanco and A, but Jorge Palanco is a DH was good, not as good as he was.
37:56 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Another position.
37:58 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I knocked it down to a B+, like just the DH position itself was good for the Mariners this year.
38:06 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't even as good as like the players who spent most of the time occupying that position, as good as they were in other positions.
38:13 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like CalRolley, for example, his WRC plus is a DH was like 40 points lower than it was as a catcher.
38:18 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge Blanco's WRC plus is a DH was like 12 points lower than it was as a second baseman, or a third baseman, however you want to classify it for this year.
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So like it was very good.
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The DH happened to work out for the mariners.
38:33 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But the production itself from that spot was a B plus, which is very good, because the Mariners have had a lot of D minus DHS over the last few years when they use it as a rest spot.
38:44 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It did happen to be a rest spot again this year.
38:47 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But the difference was, the Mariners tried this strategy called building a deep lineup, which allowed them to rest a lot of their good hitters in the DHS spot.
38:57 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's still be productive instead of, oh, I don't know, putting
39:02 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Abe Toro at D.H. Yeah, I'd say Cal Raleigh and Jorge Polaco and the D.H. about our little different than Abe.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit.
39:14 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:14 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't honestly don't even have that much for D.H. Like, that is essential what they used it as.
39:19 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Would Jorge Polaco wasn't feeling great and wasn't as comfortable playing the field.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He de-hged a lot.
39:25 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and he hit well in the dh when they needed to give Caladay off as he rightfully deserved he dh when Mitch Garver was in the lineup against the lefty he dh Dom canzone had an insane small sample as a dh so like it worked out for the mariners but again i think it more had to do with the overall roster build rather than just targeting dh specific sure
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, I hope Polo wins that silver slugger.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And technically, he's nominated for it for second base.
39:53 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.
39:54 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he'd be nominated for DH because he spent more time there.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But either way, he wins a silver slugger.
39:59 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Only highlights this position even more so, because he gave the Mariners what they have not had at the DH spot in a long time, and you just highlighted it.
40:08 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't know if that much for DH either, other than when guys were there and they were getting their quote-unquote rest days.
40:13 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They were productive.
40:15 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: and the crap we gave the Mariners with being in the episode after being after being having an inactable off-season a year ago.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, alright, horrid Blanc was great.
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They deserve every bit of credit for doing that, so when the Mariners would not be in the same position if they didn't go out and do that.
40:30 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The DH spot benefits greatly, so that's why I do B plus, an A season out of a DH is being like, I'll close to Kyle Schworber, or Aaron Judge.
40:39 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well,
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Schworberg's about to finish possibly second an MVP voting.
40:44 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That might be a plus.
40:46 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
40:47 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So in A, my old NNA is going to be like a 140 then.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit higher than what they did.
40:53 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But overall again, the production at DH was very good.
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's what it going to be plus.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Schworberg almost hit 60 honours.
41:00 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So I will take 60 home runs as a Mariners DH, which by the way, he's available.
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_01]: is available.
41:07 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing about that because we were talking about it the other day and I'm still on board with the idea it would be incredibly fun.
41:13 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make things tougher for Cal to sign somebody like that to be strictly a DH?
41:18 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
41:19 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know if you can exactly run Cal Shorber out to left field twice a week.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But you could put him at first.
41:27 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh that's true, that's an idea.
41:30 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who would be any good at first, but we've also seen some really bad first basement.
41:34 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So, the bar, the bar has already been set pretty low.
41:38 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they let Gino play first this year.
41:41 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:43 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So, if Kyle's strawberry needs to play first base one time a week, I'll just let him practice a little bit.
41:50 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's bringing trainings for.
41:51 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to bring a 60 home runs here?
41:53 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
41:55 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, inevitably when the mayor is probably don't sign Kyle's strawberry, that would be
42:00 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Cal, as good as Cal is, it does make it very tricky that you can't just put Cal third base 155 times a year.
42:07 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way for catchers.
42:10 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but while they'd have an outburst forber, they ain't got one for K-tuck.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they don't.
42:18 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: As we just listed earlier,
42:21 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: go sign them.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Go sign them.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
42:24 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Good grades.
42:25 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Good batch.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That completes the position player aspect of this.
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Next to next couple episodes we'll do pitchers.
42:30 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do starters and we'll do relievers and then by then we should be in full swing of the offseason.
42:35 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
42:36 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Look what we're making a deep postseason around does.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes this month a lot easier.
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Takes you right into the winner.
42:42 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes it does.
42:44 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, good stuff.
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