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01:06 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the Just Baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening November 6th and when I threw out and you threw out and the listeners throughout the idea of Terrix school what earlier this off season within the last couple of weeks and be like, oh we're half joking we're half joking the Mariners are never gonna trade for Terrix school.
01:27 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not gonna try and go choir the best picture in baseball that there's no chance he can possibly be available.
01:34 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Buster only slams into my phone on Wednesday morning.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Buster.
01:41 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think he's great.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I sent that right your way.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You wake up on Wednesday morning to what?
01:48 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners, Terek Scooball in the same sentence.
01:51 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And my response to you was, Oh, it was a bunch of laughing emojis.
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you said, Oh, fuck.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fuck.
01:59 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's the level of rumor.
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, baby.
02:03 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they did not acquire tarry scuba yet, but like in terms of offseason scoops, like this is the, we last offseason was got of in Solano.
02:16 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got for Donovan's a lot of the tarick scooper rumors.
02:20 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, already take it.
02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's already better, Rob.
02:22 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's already better, Rob.
02:24 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We went from about this time last year to where we heard it was going to be a $15 million budget to tarick scoob all.
02:30 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.
02:31 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That.
02:34 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: that is wild now makes sense again tigers aren't going to pay them they offered him a horse shit extension which he and Scott Boris obviously turned down of four years for eighty million dollars like if i were terrible i would give tigers ownership the middle finger on the spot actually given the double word for that anyway think it's pretty clear they're not going to give him the money he wants he's going to walk the tigers may want to get some real return for him before he does so
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: and he's the best picture in baseball.
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners have the capital to do it.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of crazy.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what the funny thing about this though?
03:11 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they're not like, because someone clearly told Boston, someone in the Mariners organization told Boston only they'd be interested.
03:18 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, like that's what happened.
03:19 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It was either one of the owners or one of the two front office executives that told Boston only.
03:24 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Buster says, would you be interested in Terks?
03:26 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool, would they be out?
03:27 --> 03:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm glad they're open-minded to it.
03:31 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just glad there's none of this like, you know, we have five starters, we're good.
03:37 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And that may ultimately be what they wind up on, is they just stick with their five guys.
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But okay, they're listening.
03:44 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny early on here.
03:46 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The discourse of the offseason is very different than what we've seen from the Mariners in the past.
03:52 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, they're usually super tight-lift on everything.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't let things leak out.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't, you don't really know what's going on behind those doors.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We usually when rumors get floated about the Mariners during the offseason.
04:05 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's total smoke, and it's kind of John Morocy season where he's yapping his Mariners Twitter likes to say, but this, over the last couple of days, think about it, you have Justin Hollander stating point blank, yeah, Josh Nailers are number one priority and he said there's no record on the record.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He said there's no reason to hide this.
04:25 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we want to bring Josh Nailer back.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our number one priority.
04:28 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have that paired with
04:31 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Tarrick Scooble and look there's now enough here where it's it's not just it's not just a name like there's some smoke here because Well number one it'd been floated out already that there was a chance he was gonna get traded That had started to float around after the tiger's got eliminated from the playoffs so school may be out the door
04:51 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you see Adam Jude right up his offseason right up and say, here's what I would do if I were the Mariners.
04:56 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And he put Terrick Scooble in his list of transactions he would make saying, if I were the Mariners, I would go trade for him.
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And you say, okay, I like where Adam's thinking.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam's obviously super credible.
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess if he's writing things like that, he thinks there's some level of possibility.
05:11 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: not exactly like the old Marine layer pod talking about Kyle Tucker and I say that because we're just a hundred percent right about that where reporters have to try and be more objective where we just stamp our firm belief that yeah he's coming you guys we've already made a clear anyway when Adam jude puts something like that in the Seattle times I don't think he's just blowing smoke it means he thinks there's some level of possibility of that
05:36 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So that paired with then you get the buster only report on Wednesday.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: All of it combined, I think it's fair to say, there's smoke here.
05:44 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's going to burn down the off season, but there's some smoke here.
05:51 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing working against the Mariners, though, that if he's available, they're going to be working against some pretty stiff competition.
05:59 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Mariners have resources, don't get us wrong.
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Terriq's scuba we're talking about.
06:07 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, for a lot of these teams, a lot of these contenders and some of these contenders in bigger markets, like two of the, the premier, I would say teams that the Mariners, if, if Terriq scuba is gonna be publicly available, they'd have to be fighting with, or the Mets and Red Sox.
06:23 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mets and Red Sox, who are also named in Buster Only's Report, right in the same paragraph.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Those two teams have more money than the Mariners.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Do the Mariners might have better prospects.
06:33 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But those two teams in the Mets and Red Sox would probably feel more comfortable risking their top prospects or big league players in an effort to go get Terrick Scooble.
06:45 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing they have the $400 million in their back pocket to sign him and make it more worth it.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: than the Mariners do.
06:53 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I want the Mariners to open up their checkbook and sign that guy to a long extension if he's down to it for it.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're not going to do that.
07:02 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'd be lying to you if I told you the Mariners would do that.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's what they're working to get.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they would be working against here.
07:09 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Although don't you think the Tigers might care more about the prospect return?
07:14 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: What do they care if the Red Sox and the Met's out there?
07:16 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners would care about what they're giving up
07:21 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, say the red socks are like, we'll give you will you're a bra you and every day out, feel there who's really good in the package for Terrixgubble, the tiger's stay and win now mode and they get a controllable player for many years while it hurts the red socks or say gerendoran, for example, while it hurts the red socks, it makes some feel better knowing they're in a very good position to pay Terrixgubble.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Doing the give up and every day player.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If the mirror is traded,
07:48 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, people, solk was thrown this out earlier this week and the rumor came out.
07:51 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have to trade George Kirby for Terriq Scooble, like you don't feel very good about that.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a Scooble walks in here.
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
08:00 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so either, but in a hypothetical sense here, if there is this massive bidding war between 10 teams for the best picture and baseball.
08:07 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure, I would just like to comment anybody's nerves that just went up when you hear that name.
08:12 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think George Kirby is going to be the prize for Terri's Google.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And Terri's Google might be the best.
08:16 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They won't trade George Kirby for Terri's Google.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it'll cost that.
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Terri's Google's the best in the world.
08:22 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But for one year of control, it's not costing you three years of Kirby.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have some precedent on a trade like this.
08:28 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We've kept bringing up the Corrin Burns example.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It lines up pretty damn well.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It seriously does.
08:34 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You've all to, so scuba's going to win his second sion this year.
08:38 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Burns had won a sion when he was on the block with the Brewers.
08:41 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: both the brewers when they traded burns and the tigers, if they trade scooble, are coming off playoff appearances the season before.
08:48 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The brewers, by the way, just mode on through after they traded burns.
08:51 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They won the division in 2023.
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Traded burns away and then went and won the division again.
08:57 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So like it is possible that these teams feel so good about their development, that they can trade away their guys get a return back and go win anyways.
09:06 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're trying
09:11 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, these two guys have one-year left each on their deal and both are incredible pictures.
09:17 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Burns gets traded to the Orioles for Joey Ortiz, who's a solid player cannot hit to save his life, but he plays on the infield almost every day for the burrows and his solid offenders worth about one and a half fangrapes wins above replacement.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: D.L.
09:32 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Hall left-handed pictures been, again, solid for the burrows, and then they got a compensatory round
09:39 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think, which is the first round pick essentially.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: School is going to probably cost more than that.
09:49 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But is he going to cost that much more than that?
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I don't think so.
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And for reference, D.L.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Hall is basically a reliever.
09:56 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: When he was traded, there was the notion that he was probably just going to be a reliever.
10:00 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So the two guys, the Orioles traded out of their farm for Corbin Burns, were lower and top 100 prospects.
10:10 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think the package would be.
10:12 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Mariners have the resources to do it.
10:15 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the depth of you'll comfortable trading one of those guys.
10:18 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, say if you have to trade, like Joey Ortiz is a top 100 prospect and they traded him.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I think D.L.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hall was too.
10:27 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you want me to just throw out the package that I put out there?
10:30 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, put out the package.
10:31 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've tried to think about what it would cost to get scuba and what you'd have to do to up the package, so to speak, from what the,
10:38 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Orioles had to give up for Corbin Burns in which, by the way, the year prior to him getting traded or two months before getting traded, he finished eighth in Siong voting that year.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's still top 10.
10:48 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very good.
10:51 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea that I've thrown out there is especially because these two are going to make similar money.
10:56 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You would trade Luis Castillo, I mean, you're gonna have to open up a spot, obviously in your rotation for Scooble, and he feels like the guy that would make the most sense to trade away with his no trade clause going up on January 1st, it would keep the Tigers competitive because it gives you a big league starter.
11:10 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners may still have to eat some Castillo's money, but at face value, Castillo and Scooble are set to make pretty similar money in 2026.
11:17 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say the Mariners trade Castillo, agreed to eat, let's call it eight to ten million dollars, ten million dollars, I'll call it.
11:27 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: and then you trade last montage and jrangelosangia and i know what a bunch of people are gonna say when i when i say that name they're gonna say allow you can't trade last month as he's gonna hit eight eight eight hundred fifty thousand homeruns of the big leagues and be the next all of a member of the group well guys what if he doesn't stop striking out thirty percent of the time like i love last montage awesome dude easy to root for i hope he thrives and i hope he thrives of the mariner if it all works out but if you've got a chance to go trade for terex google like
11:54 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you you give up the opportunity or you give up the chance you're taking on last Montez to be a 35 home run guy in the big leagues and knowing there is a bit of a lottery take it play there with Lazz I'll peel back the onion even further just to break down this trade package the package is the two prospects.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think of Luis Cassio really as part of the package.
12:15 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are going to need to shed if they want to pull this off somehow.
12:19 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: given their current budget that they've laid out, they most likely need to shed some salary.
12:25 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're going to be able to achieve everything they want this off season if they're not offloading some salary, for example, like doing some doing some math here, right?
12:36 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Mayors have roughly like just to the soft ceiling we talked about, $31 million to spend.
12:41 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Terri Scoobles making $22.5 this year, like if they're holding to that budget, great, you trade it for Terri Scooble, you don't get Josh Newler.
12:50 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, or maybe not even Jorge Planco, but what if it's the exercise you and I were talking about earlier with the 170 million as the payroll rather than what you're suggesting?
12:59 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You still aren't you still aren't getting tailored because 22 and a half and then if you get up to 170 that's an extra six million.
13:06 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's it's not really 22 and a half because what you're doing with this trade is Luis a set to make about 23 million next year,
13:17 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And my, my earlier point was you are going to have to offload sour and Luis Castillo's offloading sour.
13:23 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:23 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
13:24 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's a part of this.
13:25 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not to give the Tigers more value.
13:27 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, he could occupy spot in the rotation.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps he pitches really well in the rotation.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Tigers aren't trading for Luis Castillo.
13:35 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I.
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They're helping the Mariners out.
13:37 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe not even helping.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it still helps the package.
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the Mariners have to offload salary, but you're not trading
13:45 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What if the Tigers don't want Casteo or his money?
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then it makes it harder.
13:50 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you're going to have to reroute Casteo somewhere else.
13:55 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just, and yeah, and that might make the Mariners a little desperate to do that.
14:00 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They could do it after they trade school.
14:01 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you wouldn't really get anything back for Luis Casteo.
14:04 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how they would approach this first.
14:06 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they would trade, if they're thinking about this, if they trade Casteo first,
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And then try for Scooble.
14:13 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, well, this is hard to think about, but I do think they would need to Louis Castillo or Randy or Rosarini, would need to go off your team next season for you to acquire Terri Scooble.
14:23 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the easy one there has to be Castillo because you would be one pitcher too many in that rotation and getting rid of a solidified bat in your lineup and your left fielder who's been the best left fielder they've had and god knows how long.
14:37 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes a lot more sense to move Castillo.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway,
14:41 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would have a hard time believing the Tigers would straight up just say, no, I don't want Luis Castillo on my team.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you're going to have to give up prospects.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the majority of the trade is.
14:52 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But for a team that's going to need pitching, especially by trading school away, I can't imagine they just say no.
15:00 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Because what?
15:00 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Flair deal be their next year.
15:02 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Myzel be their next year.
15:03 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You assume, well, Joe got Tommy John, but he'll be back at some point.
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say maybe later in the year.
15:11 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if Troy Melton's a starter, sure, it's not like you need pitching if you're the Tigers.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You do, might not be your first option.
15:20 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Given how much, even if the Mariners eat $8 to $10 million, still not, still not ideal.
15:28 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they might have to eat $8 to $10 million each year of Castillo's contract.
15:32 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I meant, but still, you're likely going to have to do that no matter what.
15:37 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised if any team just takes the entire salary if you trade them somewhere.
15:43 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's going to need to get traded regardless.
15:46 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:46 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's what I'm saying with that package, I'll make it a little more concise.
15:50 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: The package is Luis Castillo, Jerangel Osangio, Laz Montez, the Mariners eat about 10 million of Luis's contract, offload some money, get scuba back, it only adds about 10 million
16:02 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: One, I would take 10 million for TerriXGoogle in heartbeat, essentially.
16:06 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But two, let me paint people this picture and tell me what you think about it.
16:12 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If for some of you that might now want to give up Jorangelow for some people that are fascinated by him and you should be, because he's got a chance to be awesome.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He really does.
16:19 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I were to tell you that the Mariners 2026 rotation is TerriXGoogle Brian Wu, Logan Gilbert George Kirby, Bryce Miller.
16:28 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to imagine your ears perk up a little bit and just to one up that, if I were to then tell you that if scuba walks at the end of 2026, your rotation in 27 is Brian Wu, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Kate Anderson, with Ryan Sloan getting pretty close by that point, then how do you feel?
16:48 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: they've got real depth and you still have Logan Evans and Emerson Hancock there for depth and next guys up.
16:54 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And you just can't play all of these prospects.
16:57 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not all going to make it onto the field a team mobile park.
16:59 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And you get a comp pick for him walking.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
17:02 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could use that pick on another picture if you want.
17:05 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even need the Mariners to sign school to an extension.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I care about next year.
17:08 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because next year is right there in the school peak.
17:12 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're offering him an eight year deal for $400 million.
17:15 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He could be like a Mac Scherzer and pitch excellent into his late 30s, but you don't know that.
17:21 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And that for an arisket verse organization is a pretty sized forest.
17:25 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: What's not arisket is acquiring him or not as much of a risk is acquiring him next season.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not, I would say that's not as much.
17:34 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you this question?
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked a lot about the package, right?
17:37 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about this from now a Mariners perspective.
17:40 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you be okay if the Mariners acquired tarick scuba, but because of that, they couldn't get Josh Nailer.
17:51 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Be tough.
17:52 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You should be able to do both.
17:55 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be as clean cut though.
17:59 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll also Kylie McDaniel put out today that what he's projecting the nailer contract to be in Kylie McDaniel's usually pretty good about these projections, it is not some of the crazy numbers that have been thrown out there elsewhere on some of the other sides.
18:11 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: What Kylie McDaniel projected for nailer was three years for 52 and a half million dollars.
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty reasonable.
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's 17 million a year for nailer.
18:19 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Three year deal, even if it becomes four, the Mariners could absolutely do it.
18:24 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's more what the market is and not some of the other numbers that have been thrown out there,
18:28 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can make both happen.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a good sales pitch to Josh Nailer, certainly.
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great thing.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be much less likely, though.
18:37 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay lowering the odds?
18:39 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You bring back Josh Nailer if you're getting terrible scuba.
18:43 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Mariners do also have other holes they need to fill, by the way.
18:47 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
18:48 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But if they're whole off season ends up being getting terrible scuba, and bringing back Josh Nailer,
18:54 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: hell of an offseason.
18:57 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.
18:58 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to present some sort of high-pithetical, because the Mariners are going to have to give something up here.
19:03 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, if they get Terrix Scooble, you're not adding to the bullpen, really.
19:07 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're not going to spend $10 million that it would micostrodemolimbs or more, or any of these other like quality, free agent relievers.
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that goes out the door.
19:17 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Back like signing a quality utility player might not happen like a like a Willy Castro or something like a friend Jage was messaging us about spending nine million dollars on Willy Castro like if you're trading for terrible but you can't spend nine million dollars on Willy Castro
19:33 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: right so it would just have to be your your starting lineup would be Domkin's own would have to be in right field Naylor would be at first Cole Young would be at second JP would be at short and Ben Williams would be at third base but guess what you'd have the best fucking rotation baseball by far and yes i'm still doing that because then you're asking that team
19:55 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: to be good and competitive by the deadline.
19:58 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And like we usually see from the mariners, they usually make upgrades up to deadline.
20:02 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's places, they really need upgrades in the middle of 26.
20:04 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They can probably go make them.
20:07 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, I'm taking taric fucking scouvel on my baseball team.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
20:13 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing, let me, I'll say before we get to our mailback.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of really good mailback questions.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: just hearing this makes me feel better.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like loud.
20:22 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I would need to hear it from like someone on the mariners themselves to like really solidly solidify.
20:27 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But let me hypothetically say that we've heard something that like the mariners are like acknowledging like, yes, this is like a near priority for us.
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they look at last season.
20:37 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They see like the potential of what regression does to even your best unit and make it your weakest unit.
20:43 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: on a playoff team and say, how do we offset and hedge against that as much as humanly possible?
20:51 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't enter a scuba, if someone gets hurt, or guys have years that they're not supposed to have, like this fixes the Mariners' biggest weakness for last year.
21:01 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the Mariners somehow had
21:08 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, there is a difference between a number one starter and an ace.
21:12 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just this.
21:13 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert is a number one starter when he's healthy and pitching in his best.
21:16 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What Brian Wu just did in 2025 is a number one starter.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He was awesome.
21:21 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But there are only, let's call it eight to ten true aces, flat out aces in the game of baseball today.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of them,
21:31 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: is taric fucking scuba and not just one of them he is the best in the world and you saw what two games a taric scuba did to the mariners in one postseason series it nearly caused them to lose.
21:44 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: One guy, cause them to lose.
21:46 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we sit here and talk about and stress out about and me feeling like I was gonna throw up all day before game five about the fact that their season could come to an end because of one guy.
21:56 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Not because of the Tigers lineup, even as good as Carrie Carpenter was.
21:59 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Not because of an entire lineup, not because of their bullpen, not because of the Riley Green despite him being an all star.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: One guy.
22:06 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: one guy and that's terrible and that's what one guy can not only do for you all season but sure is hell in a postseason where it's essentially oh here's two wins here here's just two wins if you score a couple runs you're set one Josh Taylor home run yeah exactly
22:26 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So like if you're the Mariners, and you go into a series next year, say into the divisional series on the first round, and you're planning to throw scoobled twice, and then you have a woot throw game, and you have Logan throw game, and you have, if you need to Kirby throw game, I mean,
22:41 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be one tough out, man.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, this is about 2026.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't build up a farm system like this for nothing.
22:49 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You build up a farm system like this to be able to go out and make trades like this.
22:54 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: 10 years ago, the Mariners couldn't have even snipped this idea.
22:57 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if they were coming off a 90-ish win season, because they didn't have the farm for it, not even close.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Now they've got the farm for it.
23:04 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: They may have the best farm and baseball and not all of these guys can get on the field together.
23:08 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: As much as I want to see every single one of these guys thrive, the honest truth is, the current five in the rotation and Jorangelo and Kate Anderson and Logan Evans and Ryan Sloan.
23:24 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't all pitch at the same time that there's not enough rotation spots.
23:33 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: decisions are going to be made, and this is why you build up a farm.
23:36 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hate to see georangelo go.
23:38 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'd be okay with it for TerriXGoogle.
23:42 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hopefully we get some juicier rumors as the, as the offseason goes along.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This was this made my week this week, seriously.
23:53 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this made my week at the very, very least, it's given us something to keep talking about all offseason.
24:00 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, if it's a slow Mariners week, we can just keep throwing out Terriq scuba ideas.
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Derek Scooble and Kyle Tucker.
24:07 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, you saw what I tweeted out when that rumor came out.
24:10 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have to do shit.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All I did was quote tweet that thing with two photos.
24:14 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What a Scooble?
24:15 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: One of Kyle Tucker.
24:15 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Last time I checked, it's at like 85 views on Twitter.
24:21 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think it's about time to get to our mailbag.
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25:50 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Graham has the first question on Patreon and his question is, is the relationship with the angels still at a point where trades are a no-go?
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: it feels that way.
26:03 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: In the Jerry depoto era, did you know there is one team, the Mariners have never made a trade with, they've transacted with 28 other teams in baseball.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's one that they haven't.
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the angels.
26:16 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that relationship is still strained.
26:20 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bummer too, because there is a just perfect trade piece sitting on the angels.
26:28 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:30 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you mean Taylor Ward?
26:31 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:32 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's the, I forget what video it is.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, it's, it's perfect.
26:39 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's perfect.
26:42 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor Ward costs $11 million next year.
26:45 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He has over the last five seasons combined, a one 18 WRC plus hit 36 home runs last year.
26:52 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Good defender in the outfield, too.
26:55 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that not sound like exactly what the Mariners like kind of need to solidify that last corner outfield spot?
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Kay took one, Taylor Ward.
27:07 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Two.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor Ward's a budget option.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, he's a really good baseball player.
27:11 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a very good baseball player.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should get people's in context on this because maybe everybody doesn't know the story.
27:18 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So Jerry DiPoto, I'm assuming a lot of you know, came to Seattle from Anaheim, where he was formerly the GM of the angels.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: things didn't end pretty there.
27:31 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's safe to say.
27:32 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Him and Arty Moreno did not see eye to eye.
27:34 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Him and Mike social certainly did not see eye to eye.
27:37 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
27:37 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Jerry was a modern forward thinking baseball exec.
27:45 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And Mike social the boomer.
27:47 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he didn't want to do anything kind of like money ball except the power dynamic flipped.
27:52 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, except so should been there forever.
27:55 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He had all of power, and especially because Arty Moreno would listen to Socia, more, at least that's what the story kind of is.
28:02 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the point being, it did not end pretty there.
28:04 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jerry and Arty Moreno are on very good terms.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Who can blame him?
28:07 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Arty Moreno's an awful owner, so shocker.
28:11 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, I don't think that those two really work together to make many trades.
28:16 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's much of a relationship there.
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I do not think it ended pretty back when Jerry
28:21 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: got done in Anaheim, and as a result, the Mariners and Angels don't really make trades.
28:26 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: A.K.
28:27 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: have never made a trade with him in charge.
28:29 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, never.
28:31 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember who the last player the Mariners traded for on the Angels.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say I don't remember either.
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as curious to look at that.
28:39 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I just know one they signed in free agency happened to be like one of the five worst players they've ever acquired.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd be one Sean Figgins.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking it up?
28:52 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, it says the most prominent mariner's angels trade is December 2012 deal where the mariner's acquired Kendries Morales for left-hand a picture of Jason Vargas.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I think that sounds right.
29:03 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like the timetable of the last one.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That does sound right.
29:08 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I just for some reason I forgot Vargas being an angel.
29:10 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously I remember Morales being here.
29:13 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, okay.
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is the, that's a little story time.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, if they could kill the soft season, I would take Taylor Ward.
29:20 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But, well, if it's going to be anything like the last trade the Mariners made with the angels, tell set angels player this being Taylor Ward to not jump on home plate after a walk off Homer and like destroy his leg.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: How about we step on home plate?
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kendries Morales did that.
29:37 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, for those who don't get that reference, 15 years ago now, and it took him out for basically a whole year.
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He was never really the same after that.
29:44 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not yet a good year in Seattle in 2013, but yeah, after that, not really.
29:50 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The next question comes from Josh on Patreon, and Josh has a big question.
29:57 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh asks, now that you've graded all the positions and pictures, what grade would you give for our AL manager of the year finalist, Dan Wilson?
30:07 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, Josh, if you're listening to this episode, and I hope you are, this is well played.
30:14 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well played, my friend.
30:16 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I must say, especially if you were listening to the end of Wednesday's episode, or I said, yeah, I essentially pulled a Jordan Hudson and said, we're not talking about this.
30:26 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to Dan Wilson and he's in great, we're not talking about this.
30:30 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So either Josh is the biggest Dan Wilson band on earth, or the more likely scenario here, which is why I say, well played with a tip of the cap.
30:39 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He is forcing us to answer it as the loyal Patreon
30:44 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So now here we sit, having to give Dan Wilson a grade for 2025.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me give my grade first.
30:53 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I gave Dan Wilson a, see.
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So here are the two things I consider for Dan.
31:01 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How was he as a culture guy and how was he as a decision guy?
31:04 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause generally that's what managers do nowadays.
31:06 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You manage a good clubhouse and you make the right pinched and bullpen decisions throughout the season.
31:12 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Wilson's culture management was good.
31:16 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The players said they really liked playing for him.
31:21 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They had their backs up against the wall in September when they could have very easily folded.
31:25 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They were half game from being out of a playoff spot and they go win 17 of 18.
31:30 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's belief that's culture, that's accountability, that's all the above.
31:35 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And that Dan Wilson did incredibly well this year.
31:39 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: his decision making as we've highlighted gets enough and I don't really think I need describing any further.
31:44 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some really atrocious decisions throughout the season.
31:47 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That reflect that of a manager who's never managed before.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's basically what I put down.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I said there's two categories.
31:57 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, there's two categories here.
31:59 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: His culture building and clubhouse presence gets an A.
32:03 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: His decision making gets an F. So that comes out to a C.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's about right.
32:09 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you said it well.
32:09 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Players really like playing for them.
32:11 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's important.
32:12 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That clubhouse has to rally around each other and around it's manager Clearly work guys like playing for him.
32:18 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we use the example the past manager who's decisions we like to lot when it came to bullpen management and pinch hitting seem to have a better process and line up a little bit better But especially their towards the end the players did not really enjoy playing for him as much there was written about and reported
32:37 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: quite a lot.
32:39 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, when the final two years of Scott service being in charge, Mariners backstarts against the wall, they've folded like a house of cards.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Both times.
32:48 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's true.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It is very true.
32:52 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there's some good perspective there, but I think those grades are both pretty sound.
32:59 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you want to call us crazy for giving us the citizen making an F,
33:04 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally objected forward thinking analytically driven site gave Daniel Wilson's bullpen management in the playoffs and F or pitching management in F So it's not like us ripping off a hot take here and again, it's not even just the playoffs
33:19 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: the national baseball world got to see in the postseason what all of Seattle got to see throughout the regular season i mean you go back and think of some of these games i mean there's a few that stuck that stuck out oh my god i can't even speak that stuck out marwin games fire ran out of a bullpen early in the year got all the way to the mound and had to get it told you turn around and go back to the bullpen because it was the wrong guy that was sent into the game
33:45 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There was that one, which was absurd.
33:49 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There was the Oakland game early in the year where Jacob Wilson got a walk off single to win the game, and that happened because despite Casey like Amina being in the game, with what I believe was two outs against J. J. Bloday, who has reverse splits, certainly did it at the time.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe did the year before.
34:09 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It was well talked about that he had reverse splits, so he hit lefties much better than righties.
34:15 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Intentionally walks in with two outs to pitch to the guy who strikes out like four percent of the time and Jacob Wilson, walk off single, walk off single.
34:27 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, and then there was the Harry Ford one in September, where Harry Ford had reverse splits all year was way better against Rites.
34:34 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He comes in against a absolutely nasty lefty and dillingly look lost up there and his first ever a bat, shocker, taken cold off the bench, wrong side of the plate he's facing, wrong arm side, then they put Gino at first base after Yang came out of the game and Gino makes an error like first play.
34:51 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, again he was really good in the club house players like playing for him.
34:58 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's important the decision making
35:01 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, don't, let's not even get going on Gabe Spire versus Kerry Carpenter.
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Good point, Josh.
35:08 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to ask all of our listeners to leave, go to the YouTube comments of your listening.
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35:14 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave us a comment.
35:14 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What you're great for Dan Wilson is I would love to see the canvas on this.
35:18 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very curious.
35:20 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's honestly probably going to be split.
35:22 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is why I say, well played the Josh and thanks for, thanks for asking the question because you knew this topic would trigger somebody.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And it did.
35:32 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Zander on Patreon and Zander's question is, if we want a true DH in a bat that would play in T-Mobile, is there a possibility that Kyle Schworber would be an option?
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a great option.
35:47 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be so much fun.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've loaded it out there.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say a couple weeks ago.
35:52 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem here is CalRolling needs DH days.
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He just can't catch every day, and you can't take your best player out of the lineup.
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we learn this year.
36:00 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's needed way too much.
36:03 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_00]: As a result of that, I feel like it's hard to really have a true free agent DH that you're going to sign for a lot of money to bring in here.
36:12 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Kyle Schwabber also really can't go play left field twice a week.
36:16 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
36:16 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you need TJR to tell you what he looks like out in the outfield.
36:19 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Best.
36:20 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:20 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You've not Jesse Winker was bad.
36:23 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:24 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So look, it'd be so much fun.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see Kyle Schwabber in the middle of this lineup.
36:28 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think logistically, it'd be too tough with the Cal Rally factor, too.
36:32 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And from a, from a, we keep bringing up the budget, he's going to cost like $30 million a year for DH.
36:39 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're okay spending that kind of cash, okay.
36:43 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: but there's no nailer, there's no pull-on-co, maybe a bullpen arm, but like 30-be expensive.
36:49 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, 30 might be a little high, but he'll make some real money.
36:53 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I did some canvassing, a lot of the projections had about 30.
36:58 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be fair, he's about to finish top 3 and MVP voting.
37:02 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good as good of a walk here as he could ask for.
37:05 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the price, I have a hard time seeing it.
37:09 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to player like that who can hit and team mobile, just sign Josh Nailer.
37:13 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Pikachu, D.H. and play first base.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Great double option.
37:17 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Lefty power too.
37:19 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't quite, obviously, have the raw power of Schwerber, but yes, I think it's just a much more sound idea to sign nailer.
37:27 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm a big Kyle Schwerber fan, I think it'd be awesome to have him.
37:30 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think logistically, it's too tough, and that's probably not where the Mariners would decide to allocate their resources if I had to guess.
37:37 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just don't, they haven't swelp.
37:39 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They spin on Mitch Garver as a DHL.
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't spend on DHS.
37:42 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they only spent on a really bad D.H.
37:45 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea of this would be Nelson Cruz, but I think after Mitch Garver, I think they're never going to sign a D.H. again.
37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Now with Jerry in charge.
37:54 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Pucci on Patreon.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two questions here.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to answer the second one because it's Mariners related.
38:03 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If you could have a Seattle Mariners era committee for players who won't have their number retired, but deserve recognition, the Mariners ring of honor, who's first that you're retiring.
38:19 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm going to assume obviously Felix's number will get retired at some point.
38:23 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's throw him off the list because I think at some point that one's going to happen.
38:29 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you get past him, you can kind of pick from anybody else.
38:32 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, my, my is.
38:35 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And older generation mariners fans are going to like this, but era, they're on mm.
38:41 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I was going to choose the guy right after him, like Kyle Seeger, because like the only guys in front of Kyle Seeger are players with their number retired, Hall of Famers or A-Rod.
38:52 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that, again, I'll keep hammering this home.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand people don't like the way that A-Rod left.
38:57 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand he chased the money.
38:58 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand the messaging wasn't great when he left town.
39:01 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He was also really young trying to make a really tough decision.
39:04 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And is it really that different than anybody that goes to free agency these days?
39:08 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, a team offered him way more money.
39:10 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And when it wasn't just way more, the second offer was what $90 million.
39:15 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: 90 versus $252.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:20 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, how can blame the guy?
39:23 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think enough times past two, where at least I would hope more people can just come around to appreciate what Alex Rodriguez didn't see at all, which was being arguably at his peak the best player the franchise has ever had.
39:39 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Are the Yankees going to retire his number?
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any team's going to.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I see an opportunity.
39:47 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I did too.
39:48 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You can claim them.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to share it all.
39:51 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can tell everybody listening to this, that's going to pick an answer for this, the following.
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You can pick whoever you want for this.
39:59 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to pick a better baseball player to answer this question than A-Rot.
40:05 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Nelson Cruz, awesome, Kyle Seeger, phenomenal 10 years here, Jamie Moyer, really, really stapled the 2000s rotation for the Mariners, and a little bit in the 90s too, not a very, very odd.
40:19 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a good thought exercise.
40:21 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Jeanette on Patreon and Jeanette's question is, is Polo really gone for good or the Mariners putting their money on coal-young to play second base?
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's gone for good.
40:34 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's real mutual interest there to try to work something out to come back.
40:38 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will say if what happens, if what we talked about earlier happens, where the Mariners sign-tarex scubal, you talk about making sacrifices.
40:46 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The sacrifice there is you probably can't bring back Polonko if that happens.
40:50 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were going to trade for tarx scubal and sign-josh nailer, that likely takes Polonko out of the equation.
40:56 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But if scubal just ends up being a pipe dream and it's a more
41:01 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: team offseason where you still make good moves and improve your roster bring a lot of the guys back, but it's not a Terriq school highlighted offseason.
41:09 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's absolutely a world where Polarrenco comes back.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have to see what his market is.
41:14 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he's going to want to test the market and see if anybody out there will give him some real money.
41:19 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But for a reasonable price, with the Mariners bringing him back, yeah, I think there's no doubt.
41:24 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was incredibly important to the team.
41:26 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he gives you some versatility where he can de-h.
41:28 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He could play second.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think Jorge Polanco's still in the cards potentially.
41:35 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that they want Cole Young to run with the second base job next year.
41:39 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're bringing back Jorge Polanco to be your everyday second baseman.
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you want him to be your DH and mix in it first and second when he has to.
41:49 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't think they're going to, uh, if I'm going to put my money on someone to play second base, it would be cool young, but again, I don't think they're just going to hand cool young second base.
42:00 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they probably want him to win the job in second base, but I I've said this on a real podcast, I'll say it again.
42:07 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The second base job in spring training will be rindeless, cool young Leo Rivas.
42:12 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be battling it out.
42:15 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And like if Cole stinks, like we love Cole, unfortunately if Cole stinks in spring training, right, then he's probably not winning the second base job at account, right?
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably right.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be reverse likely.
42:28 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:29 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and if you bring
42:33 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I do hope, yeah, I do hope Cole wins that job though, because I do like the floor he provides with his tools and also just would like to see him play given that he did not play at all at the end of the season and barely got to contribute to arguably the greatest run in Mariners history.
42:50 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: next question on patreon this last patreon on from Bryson, Bryson's question is, do you think the mayor should capitalize on Dom canzone season via trade if no where do you see him fitting and he has a mock trade for canzone.
43:05 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: His mock trade is that the mayor knows send Dom canzone and Carlos Vargas to Cleveland for David Fry and Hunter Gattas.
43:20 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, if you think you can really make the upgrade in right field, yeah, I think there's a world where it could make sense to flip-cans own.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If you think there's something you could get back from that's a value to you.
43:35 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Hunter Gattis, for example, if you are looking for a bullpen arm and you deemed Devon Williams too expensive and his markets too high and you're not going to go sign Eddie to bring him back and you're not going to sign Robert Swarr as
43:46 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something like that would make sense, sure.
43:48 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But you have to find somebody to go play right field to fill that void.
43:53 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be open to this either way.
43:54 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: One way or another, I am open to just keeping DOM, hoping he builds off the 2025 year, and just letting him run with it in 26, where he de-h is some days, play the outfield a little bit and hope he just has another good year.
44:06 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I would also be open to the idea of seeing what his value might be out there, especially if you need something like a bullpen arm.
44:15 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think I definitively say one way or another.
44:18 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I am stamping this.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This needs to happen.
44:20 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say with him, I am open to hearing, I'm open ideas.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in lockstep with you on that.
44:27 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: This trade though doesn't upgrade your right field position.
44:30 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is probably, this isn't that would be that trade that price and is suggesting.
44:33 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: This is trade to upgrade your bullpen, where you get rid of your worst reliever and add a really good one, which is good process and good strategy for upgrading your bullpen.
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: David Frey though had a terrible year.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's bad.
44:44 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's good in 24, really bad in 25.
44:47 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess depends what version of David Frey you think you're going to get, but I don't think David Frey would be upgrading right field that you would be expecting.
44:57 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is not what I expect from that trade.
44:59 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, though, for Bryson for setting that.
45:02 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we go to J-Bell on YouTube.
45:05 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: J-Bell's question
45:12 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The miners don't have a Julio level prospect in the system right now.
45:16 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson has a chance to be a star, don't get me wrong.
45:19 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not quite regarded the same way as Julio.
45:22 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said, I would call Cold Emerson close to untouchable.
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any prospects straight up untouchable.
45:30 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would call Cold Emerson relatively close.
45:33 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Other than that, I don't think anybody.
45:35 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he threw Kate Anderson in here.
45:37 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, it Anderson has a chance to be a star.
45:42 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Not even like Ryan Sloan or Johnny Farmellos on Touchbone, we know the Mariners love those prospects.
45:48 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They will speak so highly at them, but
45:51 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There, the mayors are not in the position right now where they're protecting their prospects.
45:56 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If the mayors were in 2021, and this is the farm system they had, they would protect their prospects a little bit, because they need more good players on their weekly roster.
46:04 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mayors have a lot of good players on their weekly roster.
46:06 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, the need for stockpiling all these guys to put them in your on your big league rosters is not as necessary.
46:14 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I would call Colt Emerson on touch, but I don't think they'll trade Colt Emerson.
46:17 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of a player in baseball that would be available that they could trade called four, which makes him untouchable.
46:24 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw out one, and it's never going to happen.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Paul schemes.
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not available.
46:30 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but you said a player in Major League Baseball.
46:34 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I mean, the Mariners could go out there and they could trade for like, Jackson Churrio.
46:41 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, yeah, I mean, yeah, Roman Anthony.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I get what you're saying.
46:44 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Roman Anthony, yeah, but those guys aren't available.
46:46 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who's available that are they might even consider being able, like, schemes in four years, maybe?
46:54 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but in four years, you're hoping Cold Emerson's is a staple of your team and make it all star games.
46:59 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I would call, on, on, on touchable.
47:02 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of them, no, he, he pretty much is.
47:05 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, called.
47:07 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question is on Instagram from Arman, and Arman's question is, will the Mariners treat any other starters from the rotation besides Luis Castillo?
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised.
47:20 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to get an extension done with Logan Gilbert.
47:23 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Logan said in the past that he's open to it, and Logan now has two years before free agency.
47:30 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got two years left.
47:31 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: This would be about the window where you'd try to get done.
47:35 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't think so.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else has too much control.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Wu and Miller have a tonic control.
47:40 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's got three years of control.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be pretty surprised.
47:44 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: After the run, you just made.
47:45 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't trade any of those guys.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
47:48 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
47:49 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that would be the worst PR move of all time.
47:52 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if you're not confident you can resign them.
47:55 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like none of, or any of them are going to be afraid, and after next year, a question.
47:59 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, right, there you go.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're not getting traded.
48:02 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it would be, and less, Terri Scoobel is walking through the door, you can't trade any of those four.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't, it would look so, so bad.
48:13 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's the value you would get back and be traded them?
48:17 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you'd be getting prospects back, which is a type of thing you do in 19-20-21, not now.
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: As we talk about, the Mariners have too many prospects.
48:28 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
48:28 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need any more.
48:29 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They're closed for any prospect acquisition business.
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They are closed.
48:35 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Close.
48:36 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:37 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:38 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
48:39 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any pictures are getting dull.
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a good question, but I think cast the OZ-only one.
48:44 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Last question of the mailbag, this comes from CG.
48:48 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_01]: CG's question is, am I the weird one, or does JP at second and boba shit at short sound pretty good?
48:57 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds exciting when you just say it out loud.
49:02 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, you gotta look at some of the defensive metrics here.
49:05 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And if those two were gonna man a mental infield together, I think they would lose a lot of runs on defense.
49:15 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: very, very below average defenders at their middle and field spots.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that would work.
49:21 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the second and third worst defender in baseball.
49:25 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you'd be putting it at second and short by OAA.
49:29 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: A boba shed this past year, second worst defender in all of baseball.
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Among all positions, not just short stops.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_01]: J.B. Crawford was third.
49:39 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You would really really hurt your pitchers if that that tandem was Manning the middle of your infield.
49:48 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm open.
49:49 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm open to hearing a boba-shet case But you cannot play JB Crawford and boba-shet on the same dirt next year.
49:56 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Your offense would be good But you might lose all of the value they provide offensively on defense
50:04 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and by the way, OAA, out to above average for anybody that might not know.
50:07 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the worst defender in baseball by out to above average was Jonathan India.
50:11 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody was curious after that, like TJ said, it is Boba Shet and JP Crawford.
50:16 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And Bo's going to cost a lot of money, regardless.
50:19 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's where the Mariners will go.
50:23 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be all open for it, like TJ said, I could listen to an argument on Boba Shet, but he's going to get a real contract.
50:29 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get five plus years.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get well over a hundred million dollars.
50:34 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: feels like the Mariners wouldn't go that route.
50:37 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And even like the marginal improvements you might get by shifting save boat a second, JP to third and putting Colt Emerson at short, I still just don't see that as a net value game.
50:50 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And you would have boba shit for a long time, who might not, he might not age as well.
50:56 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have great play discipline and if he's not a good defender now,
51:00 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: At our age, he's not going to be a good defender when he's 34.
51:06 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:06 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So like Robbie can know when you sign him, still pretty good defender when he's 34.
51:10 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's second base.
51:11 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Boba Shet.
51:13 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
51:13 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a way you can make this work, but not in tandem with JP Crawford.
51:17 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be, it would be tough.
51:21 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The pitchers would be pissed.
51:23 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially like guy like George Kirby or Brian Wu, a lot of ground balls to those guys, like you're your area would be inflated.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:32 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's probably right.
51:33 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that would negate the home field advantage you would get from pitching a team all the park because you're you get a you get like a half run For pitching a team all the park and that half run gets given right back by your defense.
51:43 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it wouldn't be an earned right, but it still be runs a lot.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm Yeah, that would be a hard one to make work.
51:49 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt Yeah, great patch of mail bad questions.
51:53 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We were all over the place.
51:54 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We start the week with Terri Skull will end it with boba shit.
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I love the offseason
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't love the offseason.
52:01 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I do love speculating and putting out hypotheticals, but the offseason really just causes me stress.
52:08 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially after last year, last year's scarred me so hard.
52:11 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_01]: More stress than watching Mariners baseball.
52:13 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because remember, I've said this during our end of game seven rant.
52:17 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: What happens during a season as far as stressful as it can be, there's always another game the next day, and you're talking about games, and you're talking about players, and you're talking about plays, and moments.
52:28 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: you don't have to sit here and potentially talk about John Stanton and Chris Larson and wait around for a move and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and maybe they disappoint you with what they do in the offseason.
52:39 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, they've already passed their mark from last offseason just given the fact that Derek Scoobles mentioned.
52:44 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The bar has already been reset.
52:47 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, unless they come out again saying they can only spend $15 million, you cannot lower the bar.
52:53 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot, you cannot set yourself under the bar of last offseason.
52:58 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't.
53:00 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:00 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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