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00:00 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But when the episode number 324 of the Marine Layer podcast, we welcome on our friend and recurring guests, Seattle Times writer Adam, Jude to talk about the Mariners off season, Josh Taylor's potential contract, the possibility of trading for TerriXGoogle, and much, much more so many storylines to discuss about the off season.
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01:04 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network, recording here on Tuesday evening November 11th, while we finally have a transaction.
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Randy Dobnak.
01:19 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just whatever one was expecting, not Josh Nailer, Randy Dobnak instead.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no kills.
01:26 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no Kyle Tucker, no Terri Scoobl, not Josh Nailer, but it's Randy Dobnak.
01:30 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, is it chills season?
01:33 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It may become June if Randy Dobnak's got a 2-ERA.
01:39 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Randy Dobnak though has not pitched a whole lot the last four years of people need a one minute four one one on rabbit Randy Dobnak he was a swing guy with a twins or in twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty one but
01:54 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: his production really fell off as those years went along.
01:59 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he had an era over seven in his 2021 season with the twins and it has been a combination of injuries and in effectiveness and not being able to pitch very well.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It has kept them out of the big leagues.
02:12 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the last four years and now he's going to get a shot on a minor league deal with the Mariners in spring training.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what it sounds like.
02:19 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like a guy that could be the Mariners eighth reliever
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
02:26 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You throw on 15 innings in the last four years.
02:29 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So battle injuries has been played a ton, but we'll see.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's at a sinker that's been decent at times.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll kind of just see how it shakes out.
02:37 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to evaluate this too much.
02:39 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the best thing we can do is just update people and say, hey, the Mariners made a transaction.
02:43 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They signed a reliever to a minor league deal.
02:45 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see them in spring training.
02:47 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It is always funny when it's passing that tweets these things.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh wait, Jeff passed the notification pops up on your phone.
02:54 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You see Mariners, like it happened to me today.
02:56 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, oh, they signed Randy Dominack to a minor league deal.
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, thanks, Passen.
03:01 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how you know it's slow our pass in his time to make a tweet about Randy Dobnek.
03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
03:07 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, it's got and Framor Valdez showing up at the GM meetings in Vegas.
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really it.
03:13 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he tweets this Randy Dobnek thing, passing.
03:17 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets a reply, first reply says, zero reason for a pass in tweet here, LMAO, and passing clap back and he said,
03:28 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, he's got it.
03:30 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a pretty wild mustache job next.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess while we're on the topic of minor league relievers.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we mentioned or just minor league arms.
03:39 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we mentioned like a week ago that they signed Cole Wilcox to a minor league deal to who's Emerson Hancock's buddy and former teammate.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They anchored that weekend rotation at Georgia together.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's in the fold now too.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Same idea.
03:51 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what makes what comes of it.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
03:54 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably cool for Emerson to see Cole Wilcox get signed because
03:57 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys were both supposed to be top 10 15 picks together at one point, but then Wilcox had some injuries, I think, and didn't have his best maybe didn't put his best foot forward production-wise at Georgia, and then he fell down to the third round, I believe.
04:11 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
04:12 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like he was with the race for a while, Mariners will take a chance on him, and
04:16 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to guess we see Emerson in spring training will he'll probably be really happy that Cole Will Cox is in the org with them.
04:22 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be cool to get to training together at the same facility at least for the spring.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That's something guys talk about as they're coming up in college.
04:29 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: What if we get to do this and that's, you know, that's super cool.
04:32 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the only other real news to talk about this week.
04:35 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We did not talk about this with Adam, so let's bring it up here and discuss it for a few minutes before we get to a great conversation with Adam Jude.
04:41 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about Nailer, talked about Terri Schouble, talked about some other moves the Mariners can make this off season, try to cover it all with him.
04:48 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The news that comes out today as we were recording earlier is that Andy McCay, Mariners assistant GM, is going to leave and go to the Guardians and take on the field coordinator role instead.
05:00 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So he goes out of the front office and into the dugout in another organization.
05:05 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Although that was interesting, that's not really something you see often.
05:08 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You usually see coaches making those moves not executives down to coaching.
05:15 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the best thing you can probably take away from this is it sounds like Andy McCay wants to be a coach.
05:21 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're in a system GM, and you leave to go be a field coordinator, that's what lines up there, right?
05:27 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to be a coach.
05:28 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're in a system GM, the next step is you hope you get a GM job somewhere, obviously.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what Andy McCay did.
05:34 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So that says to me, he wants to be on the field, he wants to be in a coaching role.
05:38 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's got familiarity with Steven Vote.
05:41 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So here he is doing that.
05:43 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people are wondering, is this a promotion?
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
05:47 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I, because fuel coordinators are really, tell me if I'm wrong, like it's important, like fuel coordinators are in charge of running everything that happens on the field's pregame, like whenever they need to work out and they need to organize things, that's the field coordinators job, he's keeping everyone on track and that's, and they help with scouting too.
06:08 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say I think they know a lot of the scouting reports and know the numbers well, I think if I have this right,
06:14 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Carson Vitale was pretty good at that stuff when he was with the Mariners.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: At least that's what I remember talking to a few people about, that he was really good at that stuff.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's in a bench coach role with the Marlin.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They plan a lot of things out.
06:25 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They're often on the phone with the video room trying to figure out if they want to challenge a player not.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But they do do a lot of the scouting reports.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't think this is a promotion.
06:34 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is Andy McCay if I had to guess.
06:37 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: saying that he wants to be in a coaching role.
06:39 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So here's what our friend Joe Doyle says about this and he's pretty plugged into a lot of front office people and understands what kind of loss this would be for the Mariners.
06:46 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say from Lowen Eyes perspective, it's hard to judge right now how this is going to impact the Mariners player development, they're trading, they're drafting, until they get further along.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: down the line.
06:59 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We have no idea.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't know who they're replacing.
07:02 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he McCay with yet and who's going to take those response abilities that he was really good.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Good app.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But here's what Joe Doyle said.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And he McCay is a size of a loss for the Mariners.
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been with the Mariners organization for over a decade.
07:12 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the guys that runs point on evaluating player makeup and player acquisitions.
07:16 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Big voice and player development internally as well.
07:20 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no doubt he played a big role.
07:22 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the assistant GM.
07:23 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in the org with Jerry and Justin a long time, but it's hard to say it face value with him leaving.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: How this could affect the Mariners win loss total.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to know that.
07:34 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: one way or another for a few years and but again by then they might have somebody else chant like Joel Furman works on the pitching side in development in the front office like does a lot like there's other guys too yet and to be fair, Joel Furman was also the assistant GM and still is I think his specialization is just more on pitching so I'm sure he'll take on what could be a bigger role now or they'll bring somebody else
08:03 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's news because he's been in the Mariners' org a long time and it had a pretty high up role.
08:09 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're somebody that's just really concerned about the Mariners' win-loss total, what's going to be on the field in 2026, I don't think for you, this is going to move the needle for you as a fan one way or another.
08:21 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners' internally may be disappointed to see him go.
08:24 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they are.
08:25 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But when lost total in 26 on the field, I wouldn't like...
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't put that much stock into this.
08:30 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say, oh my god, it's an exodus.
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: People are leaving.
08:33 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to be a part of the organization anymore.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't think it's that.
08:37 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you want that coach.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_02]: If I had the rest.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
08:40 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get to Adam Jude here in a second, but before that, I'll do want to read that.
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09:14 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Adam's a good guy to have on to sort of kick off the Opsies and because Adam has been at the forefront of floating some ideas out there for the Mariners to go out there in a choir.
09:25 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He was first essentially in leading the charge for Terrax Hubert, at least putting the idea out there at the beginning of the Opsies and or he suggests.
09:33 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_02]: the Mariners should go out there and trade for him, put it right at the top of the article.
09:37 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It also suggested Devon Williams, something that you'll hear in the interview, he calls a luxury signing, signing versus more of a need signing.
09:46 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get into the differences of those too, but Adam sounded pretty optimistic about what the Mariners could do this offseason and a much different tone than what they had done in the past.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully,
09:59 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully is right, but yeah, Adam's great with this stuff and we're in a we're at a point in the offseason where there's so much unknown right now There's been no big signings.
10:08 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been no big trades It's a totally blank canvas to throw ideas out there Adam's obviously pretty plugged in He obviously has been around the team a ton over the last few years and he's a good guy to you know Get some info about and talk to about about some routes the mariners could go this offseason We cover a bunch of different ideas and I would hope
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: ideas that could get people excited.
10:30 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, keep you guys any longer.
10:31 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get you to the interview with Adam Jude.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we've got our friend Adam Jude with us.
10:38 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Recurring guests of the Seattle Times.
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You can find all this work over there.
10:42 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners, beat reporter.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Adam, always great talking to you.
10:45 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: How's the offseason treating you two weeks in pretty good so far.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Just catching up on a lot of sleep and catching up on some family time.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of a
10:54 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of youth sports this time of year, excited to be indoors for some youth basketball, but it's been good so far, I think we're going to sort of a slow drip for the marries as we sort of dip into this in November, but certainly expect things to pick up soon or rather than later.
11:10 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So Randy Dobnek was not the big son in the off season.
11:14 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think that'll be a banner headline in the Seattle Times.
11:16 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is the typical mayor's type of a season move, right?
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We've already seen a few of them with these project type relievers.
11:24 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They must love an interesting slider or spin rate on as particular pitch and see what they can work with, put them in the pitching lab and see what it spits out comes spring.
11:35 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'd expect to handful more of these type of reliever.
11:38 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: reliever options for the mayor's just because that's what they do and they're they prove me pretty pretty good at it.
11:44 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a slow time in the offseason, do you think this would be a good point where you know, if if you are hypothetically down in the in Vegas for the GM meetings, you you and Davis could like combine on like a profile of a baseball executive basketball game with AJ bro during the post.
12:00 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, while they're talking trade terms, Ryan.
12:03 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We're running a good one for that.
12:04 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian's actually played in some of those pickup games with a pretty pretty famous for that.
12:08 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to get into those play early morning pickups with a bunch of middle-aged dads.
12:13 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have a blast moving really slow and trying not to hurt ourselves.
12:16 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But we've talked about it over the years down.
12:18 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Mariners obviously peoria.
12:21 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they play their pick-up game in Scottsdale, so it's really hard to get over there to the other side of Phoenix, but I'd be really fun.
12:28 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that idea, and someone should definitely do that.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how do you defend AJ Prologue?
12:34 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty late.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Davis always says, like, he elbows a lot.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not the tallest student in the world.
12:39 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:40 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Seems, uh, footwork is about the only thing I have on the basketball course.
12:45 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll take it.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I can stay in front of people.
12:47 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I probably found a lot too if he asked Davis, but it's been a while since Ryan and I played.
12:52 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on the wrong set of 50 now.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So Ryan's not shooting too many hopes these days.
12:58 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, speaking of Dennis, she is down in Vegas at the GM meetings this week and I don't think any of us really think there's going to be any crazy Mariners transactions that come out of it this week, but what do you guys expect to hear this week?
13:11 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great question.
13:12 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is where those conversations start, right?
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know if somebody lines up with something and
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, it's Jerry DePoto, you never say never, right?
13:21 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's chomping at that bed, you're still feeling the sting of game seven loss and you know you're this close and you want to kind of get your team over the hump and get that edge and if the right opportunity presents itself, maybe you strike while they aren't hot as they say here.
13:37 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That said, you know, I don't think any of us really expect anything to get finalized this week, but, you know, obviously Josh Nailer's the centerpiece, and I know we're going to talk about that.
13:47 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the centerpiece and he should be for the Mariners, the softies, and so, you know, if his representation is down there, if the Mariners have an initial, you know, sit down with them and sort of maybe set some parameters or just,
13:59 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: frankly express what they've said publicly already just how much they love them and how great a fit it was for you know three months here to close out the the 2025 season and and and you start those conversations there and you can kind of look in the agent in the eye they can see the the team executives and you kind of get a sensor just house and see or somebody is
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's really important.
14:19 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's all maybe Jerry DiPoto and Justin Hollander accomplished down there in Vegas this week, I'd say it's a successful trip for them.
14:26 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because Josh and I are there is that important to this team and to their plans for the offseason.
14:31 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're able to sit down and just express how perfectly he fits for you guys and what you're willing to do are at least a basic parameters for it.
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously that's a huge first step.
14:42 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If I haven't done that already, obviously that's going to be on the agenda this week.
14:47 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of their public interest in Josh Naylar, how different was their tone after the season ended?
14:52 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: When it came to the emotions when talking about the season on top of being as transparent as ever, naming one specific player they would really like and they really want to walk along.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great point.
15:04 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think even in Mariners history, I'm sure I'm...
15:08 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm forgetting about one or two examples, but you think back to Andy Benus coming in in 95 before you guys this time, but just a picture starting to picture they had to have, can pitch play off games for you, really good fit.
15:22 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, Gino Svore is re-acquiring him was so important too, but Josh Nailer was
15:28 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: was such a perfect finishing touch for this roster in this team at this time, just not only the position, but left-handed bat, who's able to, you know, high contact rate, go down base, a great base sealary turns out better than advertised defender, and then the backdrop of all that, you know,
15:47 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It might have been as valuable just in terms of the leadership and the edge he provided as we've talked about so much in that clubhouse and on the field.
15:56 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Just really so many ways that the perfect backwards for what the Mariners needed this year and everyone saw it.
16:01 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying anything new, but it's hard to imagine them moving forward into 2026 frankly without Josh Nailer.
16:09 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the back of plan is right now.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably
16:13 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Jorge Polanco and maybe Luke Rayli at first base and sort of mix or maybe you get in the market for, you know, the Japanese free agents, but I, they've been so public about it, that it just feels like they're going to be willing to, to get a little uncomfortable with Josh and the other right now again, we've seen the projections all over the place for, for what his,
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: contract could and should look like.
16:38 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But with what we've seen, certainly with the Mariners in this era, you know, two years, 24 million for for Mitch Garver is the most they've given for for a bat, of course.
16:49 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're going to have to go well above and be on that.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We know for Josh Nailer and he's absolutely worth it.
16:54 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, typically the Mariners, you know, they're not too comfortable going beyond three years.
16:59 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: for a free agent contract, you know, I would expect we'll have to go for and depending on who else gets involved if it's the Metcif, it's the Red Sox.
17:07 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You might have to talk five years or fourth year with some sort of a vesting option there too for Josh and Ailer.
17:14 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So those are the sort of conversations at the Mariner.
17:16 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, you've been having internally the last couple weeks if not longer.
17:20 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But how uncomfortable do they have to get here in the next month or two with Josh and Ailer is obviously one of the biggest questions of the offseason for the Mariner.
17:29 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a number do you think that's two uncomfortable for them?
17:33 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they've obviously got a point that they probably won't be willing to cross, but, you know, again, a lot of people have been throwing out five for a hundred.
17:41 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to take that much.
17:44 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, unless the New York Metz, you know, strike out or let Peter Lanzo walk and just realize, like, hey, we need Josh and the other.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in his prime.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He's 28 years old.
17:58 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe backing up a bad timing for a want solo and Lendor for the disappointment for that the Met's have, right?
18:12 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Missing the playoffs, spending like they did, you know, maybe they realized like Josh, if they just decide to go out with the richest owner in the league, say hey, you know, we're really, whatever it takes to bring in Josh, the Americans could be in a tough situation.
18:26 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Other than that, you know, the projections we've seen are just so far ranging, because it's first base, I think is why it's so challenging right now.
18:37 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a major league first base been over the last decade, let's say it become a lot like NFL running backs, really undervalued, really underpaid, and I think a big part of that is just when you look at the defense at first base, it's really hard to value that a lot of teams, new age.
18:54 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: forward thinking front offices just don't doubt the value of the defense at first base in particular and then when you add in you know they might not add a ton you know uh on the bases um and then when you add a guy like Josh another who again so well around and but he's not
19:09 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Paranelia 30 home run guys not gonna hit you 40 or 50 like Peter Lanzo can It's really tough to gauge again.
19:17 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen anywhere from three years 52 50 more 4 million more 17 million a year to upwards of 20 to 22 million per year So there's a bit of a range there if
19:28 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If, you know, the Mariners want to get it done, again, it feels like they're going to have to go probably a fourth year, somewhere between 17 and 20 million.
19:37 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, a little beyond what we've seen, certainly, a lot beyond what we've seen them do in recent history.
19:44 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And it could get a lot of comfortable for them, but again, if there's a guy you're going to have to get uncomfortable for, I feel like that would be the one you should do before, right?
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We all saw that.
19:52 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Joshnailers, just that valuable for this team at this time.
19:56 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: which of these two factors do you think would allow them to be more comfortable being uncomfortable if you had to pick.
20:02 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The age of Josh Nailer and the fact he's hitting free agency before 30 or the fact of the Mariners knowing what's behind Nailer in the first base market which is past Peter Lanzo, not a lot.
20:13 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of us really think Pete's coming here.
20:14 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, obviously both are pretty significant factors.
20:17 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, when you're 28 years old, he's still in his prime, again, you
20:21 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, when you compare them to maybe it's not a perfect comparison, but Alex Braggman's out there going into his age 32 season.
20:28 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We said this last year, you guys spent a bunch of time talking about, talking about Alex Braggman just because the third base market is so thin too, the Mariners don't have a perfect answer right now.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Gino's a free agent as well.
20:43 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Bragman makes a ton of sense still for the marriage right now, too, and if if you know they swing and miss on Josh nailer again, if the match just blown away with the five-year deal that the marriage just can't or won't match You know, they could pivot to Alex Bragman and that's kind of one of the One of the advantages of where the Mariners are is they do have a little bit of flexibility here again you pointed
21:07 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They need a first baseman more than anything I would say.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we could all agree on that.
21:11 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They need a third baseman too, but they do, they can pivot again if, uh, if fragments still out there.
21:18 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He had cost you a little bit more, but, you know, he comparison, if he's going to his age 32 season where his nailer is only going to be going to, you know, it's 28 on the prime of his career, like you said, and you feel much better about that, a guy who again, you've already have plenty of evidence that it fits with you in Seattle in so many different ways.
21:38 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So, absolutely anybody who hits free actually before 30, you feel a little bit better about and again, when you have to go for maybe five years,
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a, it's a lot easier contract as well.
21:52 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners have enough payroll space this off season to not have to shed salary to make the moves they want.
21:58 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: A much better place than they've been the last handful years, certainly.
22:02 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know,
22:05 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't know if we can say the root sports situation is completely resolved, obviously, they've made a decision and they're partnering with M.O.B.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: media productions.
22:14 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: On that side of it, we still have to kind of wait and see how that plays out for the next few years.
22:21 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, the mergers were more affected by the regional sports network, you know, changes and other people over the last.
22:31 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: decade than anyone just because they owned the majority stake in reports for so long and a hundred percent state the last year and a half.
22:39 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's some maybe a little bit of cyber relief on the Mariners part just that they kind of at least have an answer there for what's going on with root sports.
22:47 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't know if it's a perfect situation that they have right now, but at least they're kind of steered in a direction that they feel like they know what the immediate future is and that's not having forcing them to cut payroll.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you start from that advantage point like
23:01 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're in a pretty good space, and then again, I think trying to read between the line, so it's what Jerry DePoto said publicly at the end of the season, you know, they finished right around 165 million, which is right up there with the most they've ever spent, and he said, that's where we'll be as a starting point, and again, when you're an executive, you're in his shoes, it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to reveal publicly exactly where
23:30 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he's been told, well, we're up, we can go upwards of 175, 180 if we need to, but that's probably more, it was a year out projection, right?
23:40 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The management really good.
23:42 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: As we've seen at the drill July, trade deadline, and they love to leave themselves with some of the room there, they had
23:50 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They end up spending almost 10 million right on Nailer and Geno and Ferguson too at the deadline and so, you know, you're able to access some players in that window that sometimes you can't, you don't have access to in the winter and again, that's they weren't able to get Geno or Nailer this time last year, so they were able to remain patient and.
24:10 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, you could argue they should have went and found better solutions in last off season, but end up working out for them in July, and so you want that with a room, but I think they're in a much better place, bottom line than they have been, certainly, if not the last few years, last 10 years of the depoto haul under error here.
24:30 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if it was pretty good about that, and again, when you talk about their priorities, this off season, it looks like Naylor, it looks like Polanco,
24:37 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: obviously if we're projected, they have 30, 35 million to spend.
24:42 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You're pretty much using it up on those two guys in free agency.
24:46 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That said, you know, they could obviously see some sort of trade, you know, maybe they do have some more flexibility that that we don't know about publicly yet to go out and as I've advocated for another two, you know, go out inside and approve and relieve it, right?
24:59 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If it cost you 10 million, 12 million, like they're at that point where sort of a luxury buy, but if you're
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: When are you going to do it if not now, right?
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's obviously what you need.
25:09 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You need a like a sort of set up moonios and coming those tough spots.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you really count on
25:16 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: on a spired bazaar know as much as they did this year both guys obviously big part of the plants for 26 but the volatility of the bullpins always you know you gotta add more there and if you're gonna add might as well add something of quality and so to me that's a point where I'm a place where I would point to and say hey I think this is a worthwhile investment given where they are at their stage of roster building.
25:39 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I have a couple of followups of that and then we definitely want to get to one big topic with you, which alluded to stuff that you wrote about when Jerry said the $165 million was a starting point we tried to decipher what that meant and maybe there is no right way to but I'll get your two cents on it.
25:55 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get the sense that he meant $165 million as a starting point of this offseason or a starting point as of opening day twenty twenty six.
26:05 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd kind of local them together.
26:06 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I get your distinction.
26:09 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, they're not going to just go spend frivolously.
26:12 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Mariners, right?
26:14 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be disciplined to put it generously.
26:17 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, they know what their holes are, right?
26:22 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you exit the, you know, the playoffs and all of a sudden you're four, five, and six hitters are all for agents now.
26:30 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to address that and they know that.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is their priority.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, they've been very upfront about that.
26:36 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to have to spend just to get back to where they were in the ALCS.
26:43 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, again, you kind of dig into, okay, how do the prospects fit in and where do they want to leave room for those guys to.
26:51 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: to grow into those roles and where do they need maybe a veteran type to come in and just be a death piece to maybe provide some competition or, again, maybe if they opportunity strikes,
27:04 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: to swing a trade and you're able to trade from position of strength to say you're starting pitching and really feel like you're adding something at third base or I know you guys have advocated for right field whatever the opportunity might present itself you have to be open to those sorts of things.
27:20 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'd be stunned if they weren't at least at least at 165 on the opening day payroll next season.
27:30 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my interpretation with then that wiggle room.
27:33 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: um, in July to move, you know, past that, if not well past that.
27:37 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't be stunned either if it were past 165 on opening day, but again, as of starting point, just feels like, look, we know we, we got to get there just to, to rebuild what we've already lost or where we were at the end of October.
27:51 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, um, yeah, 165, but if feels like, and obviously Mayor fans have been pushing for this for several years now, given this competitive window they're in,
28:00 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if it takes 180, 185, 190, you know, feels like, why won't you do it now when you've got towel rolling, it's probably got Julio and it's prime.
28:09 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got these pitching, this core pitching, that's really freaking cheap as it is right now.
28:15 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Go all in and again, this is probably a good transition to the next topic, but if you're not going to push it all your chips and go in, go in right now, you know, when are you going to do it?
28:27 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What is going on in your life?
28:30 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You wrote, first off, thank you because when you write things like this, it gives us things to talk about.
28:35 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for writing up that the Mariners should go trade for Terrix Scooble this winner.
28:38 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you did your offseason, write up about what you think a good plan for the Mariners could look like and if people haven't read it and want to check it out, it's obviously right over at the Seattle Times.
28:47 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But you cooked up the idea that the Mariners could go trade for Terrix Scooble.
28:51 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll let you just go in on it and why did you write what you wrote?
28:56 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, what are you good at, right?
28:58 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You're good at run prevention, you're good at pitching defense.
29:02 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be one of your strengths too, but like, again, this would be very characteristic for the Mariners, right?
29:08 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: If they want cost control, they want club control, but they just did it with the other.
29:13 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: and Gino and Ferguson too, but you know, when you got rental guys that they fit so well with what you're going to do, look what it did for, right?
29:21 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Look how far they got really the best finish and franchise history and with so many of your core pieces coming back, how can you improve that?
29:30 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I do think they do have some flexibility, again, if the opportunity presents itself, the various positions on the field, but why not go out, add to what is already a strength for
29:40 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: you just saw how with this guy how many times four times this year twice in the division series you know how good he is he's in his prime I've had people that have been around the game a long time tell me he's the best left handed starter they've ever seen and he's ostensibly out there right now and of course the mayor should check in everybody should check in if I'm the tiger is I'm doing everything I can to reassign him of course but if the number is just so astronomical
30:07 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If Scott Bores is really against him signing any extension now, you know, again, this is what sort of the last couple of weeks has been spent in, you know, national nationwide talking about will, will the Tigers trade school.
30:19 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you know, the Mariners have as good a system as anyone that can make the best offer really of anyone.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to at least try.
30:28 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's relatively cheap for what he has 18, 20 million.
30:31 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's protected to make like.
30:34 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: do it like what if again you have all these prospects um they're not all part of your twenty twenty six plans and um he says go to the gates he fits perfectly with for your team for your ball part he checks you know every box and uh and you can afford it and on multiple levels so
30:53 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that sort of the offer I cooked up, you could pick it apart pretty easily, and so, obviously, you know, in my pitch, Drangel Los Angeles, was the centerpiece.
31:04 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a hard time seeing anything giving much better prospect than that.
31:08 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You could talk about the answer to your pieces too, but in some ways, my offer was,
31:13 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: way too much for the Mariners to give up on the one hand, but also not nearly enough in the tires to get either, which seems like it's somewhere in the range of plausibility, but yeah, again, this is where the Mariners are at.
31:26 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They're at a luxury buy position, go find that finishing touch, you know, icing on the cake, you actually can make some point wherever you want to call it, like however you have to improve this team, what better way than go adding the best picture to baseball, absolutely if he's out there at the Mariners should be right
31:43 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: At some point, again, if they put their foot down and say, we're only going to do it for cold Emerson, like your Mariners aren't doing that.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense.
31:50 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, if it takes three of your top 10 guys, you know, you have to consider it, you know, considering just how good it is and considering where you are, what else are we doing, you know, again, to keep saying it.
32:02 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're not going to do it now, when are you going to do it?
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Mariners.
32:05 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your time.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Go do it.
32:09 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
32:11 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Does this hedge against more rotation regression?
32:14 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think the Mariners saw that hit themselves in the face this year.
32:19 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of guys throw a lot of innings in 2024.
32:22 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: There are injuries in 2025 and then in the postseason the rotation was not the same, especially not against the Toronto Blue Jays.
32:31 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_02]: With the Mariners idea of this, besides it's just being like, yeah, we're trading for one of the, I don't know, five best players in baseball is we need to do a little bit more to hedge against regression from our guys.
32:43 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, it's just, in general, not a bad idea to add to a strength either, but yeah, of course, they're just given the volatility of pitching in general and pitching injuries, and they've, you know, as durable as the least Kestio is banned, as good as Brian, who was this year, as well as Logan Gilbert bounce back and as good as Bryce Miller looked in the offseason or in the playoffs, nothing's guaranteed with pitching of course.
33:08 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, that's a big part
33:12 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you don't need six top-end starters that does give you some flexibility to turn around and hypothetically trade one of those guys if you didn't include them in the, in the scuba trade to begin with, but yeah, you, again, it's a cliche, but it's true, it's a cliche for a reason.
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You can never have enough good pitching, right?
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners saw that this year.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Evans is a good pitcher.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Emerson Hancock is, is,
33:41 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: is just fine as the number five type guy that's certainly for a lot of teams.
33:46 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_00]: A really good depth piece for the Mariners.
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he did this year.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Those guys both provided value.
33:51 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet they still have three dudes coming up, Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan, Jorangelow.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They won't all be ready in 2026.
33:59 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I doubt any of the three will be ready in 2026.
34:03 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know people are excited about Kate Anderson.
34:05 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I pumped the brakes a little bit, just because he's never thrown a professional pitch.
34:09 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
34:10 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what the mayor is so good at.
34:12 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's developing these guys, right?
34:14 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ryan Sloan, I've heard so much about too, not to get off too much of a tangent, but you know, he's a mix between George Kirby and Logan Gill, what is everything I've heard.
34:22 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And they are really, really excited about his potential and his upside and the KD Anderson's got the really, really high floor.
34:30 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, again, like you're looking pretty good for 2027, 2028 with some of these young pieces coming up.
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's again, this is,
34:39 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what else do you need in a game seven of the ALCS?
34:42 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, uh, another stud, another ace.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine Terri's Google and Mariners uniform there?
34:48 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you're, I, I know Jared a photo has to be the, the idea of it.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what he gets excited about.
34:54 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what gets him up in the morning, truly.
34:56 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he is game to just talk trade hypotheticals with anyone at any
35:02 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, and oftentimes as much as any executive AJ Preller right there with them, you know, these schemes sometimes turn into actual trades.
35:12 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, if the tigers are only even hinting that schools are available, like,
35:18 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not be surprised that depotos first in line or bombarding them with text messages already just to see what what it might take or what the actual appetite is or just to figure out if there's just a lot of media smoke or if there's something behind it too.
35:34 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, you fall back to the Oakley shade.
35:37 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You could never have enough good pitching and if you're the Mariners, that's what you're good at lean into it.
35:44 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Who would be the odd man out in the Mariners rotation?
35:46 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know whether it's Bryce or Leafs or, again, whoever's not healthy, right?
35:53 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But if, again, if, if, if they get school, how it's a spec, they'd probably try to trade with Leafs, you know, you get, you know, some sort of leverage reliever if you can, and maybe a mature type prospect or whatever, you're trying to save some money, obviously, I don't think a lot of teams want to take on that full contract.
36:14 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd still think you can argue it's a very fair contract for what he still gives you.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The innings and a 3 4 3 5 ERA.
36:22 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at Luis Castillo's career numbers, you look at his 25 number, he's right there in line with everything he's ever done.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He gives you 175 innings.
36:30 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He was so important for this team while Logan and George and Bryce were injured this year.
36:35 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He is really good number two type star or still and I don't think they have a problem offloading him somehow.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's one of Jerry to put his superpowers as being able to trade.
36:48 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: any contract really at any time, but yeah, you would think, but at the same time, if you're able to get some value for Bryce Miller right now, as much of the hate to even bring the name up, because there's good as he was in the playoffs.
37:02 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, he'd have, again, flexibility is the key there, right?
37:06 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Mariners long was most teams really value that flexibility and being able to kind of pivot if the opportunity presents itself.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But, again, the answer is whoever's
37:17 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever's not healthy in the moment, but you obviously be a tough situation to go into sprint training with six proven guys in the rotation.
37:28 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_02]: what these luxury buys like whether it be terrible or deven Williams be independent of the mariner's addressing their needs this off season say they're going to set aside a pool of money for to sign joshnail and horay polanco but then there is a separate pool of money that they would go use to pay those guys if they require and be a trade or via for agency and i think the biggest concern people are saying is like if the mariner somehow pull off a trade for care school does that mean no more
37:58 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Great question.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'd be surprised.
38:01 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, to me everything revolves around Josh and the other, kind of build out from there.
38:05 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you, if the first move is somehow you land, again.
38:10 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: very hypothetical we've got can't can't emphasize that enough so much speculation here with this and obviously it's all hypothetical scuba at this point but again a ton of smoke and we'll see by the winter meetings again if nothing happens by then in terms of either the tigers get some sort of deal done with him or their you know floating his name out there and trade discussions um
38:35 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not separate things, but again, I do think the mayor's, you can't be so public as they have been with Josh Nailer and then sort of a band in that, even for someone as good as, as schoolable, just because, you know, again, you're, you're, you have no four or five or six hit or right now.
38:52 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So they know what their specific needs are and because Josh Nailer fits them so perfectly.
38:58 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, everything kind of builds out from there.
39:02 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So no,
39:03 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to go out and give, again, a devil Williams, that's an example.
39:06 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If he takes two year deal for 20 million or 25 million, whatever it takes, obviously, that's this a big commitment and a bit of a pivot for the Mariners from what we've seen the last handful of years.
39:18 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think that'd be on top of, again, nailer and plenco, wouldn't be in either or situation.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So, again, it goes back to the budget.
39:27 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know an exact number.
39:29 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But, again, I think the point that depoto was, was at least trying to hint was that, it has some flexibility there.
39:36 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They know it.
39:37 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If the right opportunity, the right player at the right price, is available there.
39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's,
39:44 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the appetite for depoto and for mayor's ownership to go out and strike this all season.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you brought up Devin Williams.
39:53 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, another guy you wrote about, TJ and I have actually talked about him a bunch, and I'm guessing we're all kind of in the same thought, like we all the same thought process here in the sense of, for me at least, I buy much more who he was in Milwaukee than I do in New York, a lot of his underlying stuff was still really good.
40:08 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that now his markets gone down a little bit, where he's not gonna get the Edwin Diaz contract.
40:14 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
40:15 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If he was out there and I'm the Mariners, I would sign up for that 10 times out of 10 without hesitation.
40:20 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But for you and from your line of thought, if you're the Mariners, are you considering something like that this winner?
40:27 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously they went out and looked for top-end bullpen help at the deadline.
40:31 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't quite come to fruition.
40:33 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's still toward the top of their thought?
40:35 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
40:38 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: there's some of the high end guys again now Pete Fairbanks is out there, obviously being good fit, is a set up guy for the Mariners just again, it comes to kind of come down to price, you know, Edmund Diaz is the cream of the crop there, I don't know if he'll get another 100 million dollar contract, but again, you know, if the Metz miss out on Diaz, then they bid it to Devon Williams, this Evan Williams, says his market more three for 45, or does he have to settle for a one for 12?
41:06 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'd be surprised if it's that low, but, you know, I would think the Mariners will be at least in on those conversations.
41:13 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they'll be willing to pay top to all of those guys.
41:16 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_00]: More likely, again, this is where the relief market in July is a lot sometimes easier to access, right, A, the acquisition costs in terms of prospect capital should be a little bit less.
41:30 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And B, you're just, you're not paying as much if it's a rental guy for two months.
41:34 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that actual salary cost is a factor of 13 like the mariners.
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, whether it should be or shouldn't be it is.
41:42 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, talk about luxury buys.
41:45 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where the mariners are at, yes, that would be an actual luxury buy.
41:48 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would tell us a lot, if all of a sudden they, you know, they're willing to spend upwards of 15 million dollars on.
41:54 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: and eighth inning guy when their closer is only going to make what now seven next year.
41:58 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be a pretty big signal that they really are all in in that scenario.
42:04 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I would expect them to at least be part of those conversations just to see where the market is.
42:10 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe more likely they get another, you know, seventh inning type guy that you feel good about, but he's not someone that's going to challenge you know, moonios for the closer is rolling or anything like that.
42:23 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: variant on maybe one of the top two or three names that are available again, like they were with Joanne Durand here before he went to the fillet.
42:31 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see again, it just feels like we all saw it, you know, those four leverage relievers were so good for them this year and certainly in contrast to how much they cost, right?
42:42 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The the value of those guys provided was immense at basically minimal cost.
42:47 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But you just have to wonder how much you can really ask those guys again.
42:52 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, if I'm a mayor, I'm absolutely in on every one of those guys, maybe say for Edwin Diaz.
42:57 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And you see where the market falls, and if, again, I keep repeating myself with the opportunity there to strike, you have to strike.
43:05 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners sign Jorge Polanco this offseason.
43:08 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the mix going to be at second basis?
43:10 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be mostly co-young still or they're going to do, I guess more of what they did in August and September and still throw Polanco out.
43:17 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they had a very specific plan obviously this year for Polanco coming off the knee surgery.
43:23 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And it worked well enough, worked really well, obviously, one of the best seasons of his career, that I'd expect them presuming to be able to recite and to try to repeat that more or less.
43:33 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we saw some flashers from Koleon, obviously the manager really high on him.
43:37 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's hit every level, everywhere he's been.
43:41 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the defense was certainly upgrade from Polonco to most of the time.
43:46 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have that arm issue coming in to spring training that slowed him last year so I'm curious to see throwing wise where he's at if he's a little more comfortable this year, but I don't think there's much question that Cole Young is the manager's second basement of the future Does that start immediately on opening day in 2026?
44:03 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a fair question.
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to go out there and earn it.
44:09 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a nice luxury if you're Dan Wilson to have, you know, Planco is sort of your plan V or at least your part-time option, right?
44:17 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Against the tough leftier, you're gonna sit cool young and have Planco in there and maybe have your backup catcher with cows, the DH that day.
44:25 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw that plenty of this year, particularly late in the season, but yeah, I think what you're laid out there, TJ makes a ton of sense.
44:32 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Planco is more your, you know, three quarter time DH
44:38 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Second, or you get the day off, or maybe you get some first base days, and the other gets the day off, or the day off, or the day off, or the day off, or the day off, or the day off, or maybe you get some first base days, and the other gets the day off, or the day off, or maybe you get some first base days, and the other gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another gets the day off, or another
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We love you.
45:07 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You had your hiccups a little bit last late last year, but we believe in you go out there and take it.
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: This is yours to go out there and win.
45:18 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We can see the similar conversations at third base with both Ben Williamson and Cole Emerson as well.
45:24 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, when you're a team in a championship window like this with heightened expectations, both internally and externally, do you want two positions like that left up, left up for grabs,
45:34 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: with essentially rookie use, right?
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's second base and third base.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fair question.
45:39 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also like I could completely see that as a realistic option, but again, that's so interesting with where the manners are at that.
45:46 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If there are other opportunities to go out there and strike, they need to be open to those conversations too.
45:53 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What about the conversation about a second baseman who's potentially on the market and could tell more tape?
45:59 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of hard to get us talking about that on the radio too, Marte.
46:05 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Tachista is definitely what Lumber far fetched, but again, those are, again, we, if we bring up Terch's Google, you got to bring up everybody else, right?
46:13 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, the Mariners should absolutely be on on.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: on every one of those conversations.
46:17 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: For so many reasons, they've got a little payroll flexibility now, they have the prospects to swing any deal.
46:24 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They feel like it's the right deal.
46:26 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, yeah, why wouldn't you?
46:28 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you know, there are plenty of scenarios there with, again, go back to if Josh Naylor, all of a sudden gets blown away by the New York Mets and it's like, okay, shoot, we've got a pivot away from Plan A.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you get better?
46:40 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you fill the middle of that line up and certainly Martave?
46:43 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the guy who's been as valuable as anyone in the National League outside of Troy, what's on he and Juan Soto over the last few years and fairly affordable contract again entering the wrong side of the 30 with some question marks.
46:57 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, in the clubhouse stuff that came up this summer, but you know, you've had him before as a young guy, you're training him away, um, and he really bossed him there.
47:08 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, if you want the best, one of the best second basement of baseball, maybe the best basement of baseball, again, you have a good relationship with the Diamondbacks front office too.
47:17 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I think when it's done me, I don't think it's realistic, but again, those are the sorts of conversations.
47:24 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Brendan Donovan again, his name is come up not as sexy and on MVP candidate, but a really good just high contact low strike outright type hitter Again, if you feel like you want to give Cole Young another year to sort of
47:39 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: mature and blossom a little bit, but in Donovan could be, you know, a backup plan there, too, or if Jorge Polanco gets a three year, 45 million dollar deal from the Astros or Yankees or somewhere else, like you got a pivot, and Brennan Donovan's a pretty good backup plan, too, and as you got, I know the Mariners were interested in.
47:57 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Last off season he wasn't available then sounds like he might be available now.
48:01 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, it's just it feels like the Mariners should and probably will be on on just about everybody until sort of plan A You know, it comes to fruition or doesn't with with with Josh and I'm like we said Josh and I was a centerpiece everything kind of builds out from there.
48:18 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The only real hiccup, the only real concern if I'm the Mariners
48:22 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: is when, when, just Josh on the other side, what does that market look like because, as you said, Lyle kind of feels like you have to wait out, Pete Alonzo in the meds.
48:32 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Pete Alonzo didn't sign to tell February this year with the meds that there's obviously been still a little bit of acrimony there to be really wanting back.
48:39 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: How much is the owner willing to go?
48:42 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_00]: How much is the president willing to go with Peter Lanzo there and so if almost feels like You know Josh Neeler would be who've him to wait out the meds and so the Mariners might have to be patient there as well And so again all coming back to Josh Neeler and playing a there and feels like the Mariners might have to be a little patient or with that market
49:02 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Last one I got for you, Adam, since you mentioned what a third base competition could look like in spring training between Ben Williams and Colt Emerson and the two names you threw out.
49:11 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we're going to see more Colt Emerson at third base this year as opposed to JP moving off the position when Colt's ready?
49:17 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely think that's probably the most likely scenario.
49:21 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, what cult still 20 years old, obviously talk to scouts.
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You talk to shoot even the mayor's internally.
49:28 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is really, really, really excited about cult Emerson and his future.
49:33 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's said, I do think people are kind of forgetting and overlooking and maybe just because JPE's been here for so long.
49:40 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You forget just how valuable the JPE.
49:43 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: One of his best years is here.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: What was in 113, OPS Plus?
49:46 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's a top 10 short stop in baseball this year, and, um, you know, some of the defensive metrics are down on him, his, his range right and left, but, uh, I, if you've been around long enough, I've beaten this point to death, but J.P. is as good as any short stop of every scene coming in on balls, he's as good as any short stop of the game today, just making their routine plays.
50:08 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And what do you need?
50:09 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You need a guy just to make the routine plays, um, you know, a weird Cincinnati,
50:13 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: For a series, what was that in April and as as awesome as as their short stop is like just the routine place over three games I was just like you see and make all these highlight plays and go back on pop-ups But she's like there were like three or four routine plays where it's just like he fell asleep It was really lazy on the fundamentals and I'm like that to me it just May jpe Crawford sort of that much
50:38 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: better for me and my eyes because you you think about the routine plays all the time with JP and He's so so good.
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's so solid.
50:47 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why people are so eager to move on from JP.
50:51 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got one year left on his deal We'll see what happens after this year, but obviously it lines up pretty well if
50:58 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: things work out again, a big gift, but if Cold Emerson is ready to take over short stop in 2027, it's there, lines up perfectly, but I do think Marin fans are overlooking just how good JP Crawford has been and just how good he was in 2025.
51:14 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: On top of just being kind of the pulse and the heartbeat of this team in so many ways too, like,
51:20 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
51:21 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Mayor of France had been really nitpicky with JP Crawford this year and this office isn't particular.
51:26 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's exactly what you want in a short stop and in a leader and the mayor is not moving on from JP any time soon.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I can probably see that.
51:35 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, and my question more stems from like, would you move JP over to third and let Colt play short when he comes up just because it feels like he's he's their prodigy and he's kind of the guy that paved the path or eventually to play short.
51:46 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where that's like more were my question.
51:48 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you make good points.
51:50 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he makes all the routine plays and he's not making a ton of money and he's obviously a heartbeat in that clubhouse.
51:55 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's all those are all valid.
51:56 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
51:56 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, third base is really interesting though again.
51:59 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Um,
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: just because we saw some really good stuff from Ben Williamson, obviously defensively.
52:03 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The issue there, we all see that you can't have a zero in terms of the power production out of third base.
52:10 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm really curious to see if, you know, we saw some profile changes that felt like for the, you know, two months that Ben will assemble his back down to come at the end of the season.
52:21 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's obviously really good to high contact guy at the line drive rate, the spring, the ball right field.
52:27 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good for a young player.
52:29 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd like to see some of that, but again, you need, you need some home runs out of third base too.
52:34 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm really curious to see
52:40 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: is ready and if they're going to, again, give him some runaway and third base there too.
52:45 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Or if they go out and find a veteran or if they have to pivot off Josh and the other two more proven guy at third base, all plausible scenarios, too, for the marriages off season.
52:54 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But no doubt about it, again, they're like cool, you know, we could 2027, I pencil and cool young at second base and cold Emerson probably a short stop.
53:04 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, wouldn't stun me either if the marriage is extended.
53:07 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: give JP Crawford a short term extension just because he has been so solid and he means so much to this franchise and to that clubhouse.
53:14 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Cole Emerson definitely is a piece of the puzzle when you're talking about how Americans are building out this roster to this offseason because he's going to be ready at some point in 2026 and it could be right away.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly could be.
53:28 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Let last thing for me out of speaking of Cold Emerson, the Mariners haven't had a prospect rank as high as him since Julio and Jared Coneck, and both those two they treated as if they were going to impact their in their debut season.
53:43 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_02]: are the Mariners going to treat Colt Emerson the same way or because the roster is so much more fleshed out.
53:48 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not they're going to take it as a bonus instead of an expectation.
53:53 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably the latter probably more of a bonus that said, I think they learned a lot with the Julio situation like they gave him the opportunity to come in and surprise them in 2022 spring training.
54:05 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They knew he was close.
54:06 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: and they wanted him to go out and take it and earn it and he did all that, right?
54:10 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, talk about check-in boxes, he blew them away, obviously, blew everyone away with what he did defensively in center field as much as anything.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, why would we not hand this guy to the keys right now?
54:21 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Took his lumps there in April and 22 as a rookie and then,
54:25 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_00]: right shot out of a canyon from there and went and run and won rookie of the year and got them an extra pick in that 2023 draft too.
54:34 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think the marriage would love that similar scenario to play out with Cold Emerson here.
54:39 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's where you talk about at some positions with some guys that depends on the makeup of each individual of each prospect as well like Cold Emerson by all counts as really mature.
54:49 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be one of those J.P. Crawford Coweralley type glue
54:55 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: want to rally around and want to play with and play for wants to win.
55:00 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, like he's only 20 years old, but you know, there's something there.
55:06 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have identified it.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have identified it.
55:10 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to give him opportunities in spring training to go out and earn it.
55:15 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And I fully expect them to, again, if that means he's going to be your opening day.
55:19 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Third basement or second basement or wherever.
55:22 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right away, like I don't know, I can't predict that, but the mayor is like going to give him opportunities to go out and earn it.
55:29 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they'd be stunned at all if he does something similar to what Julio did in 22 and just grabs it and runs with it.
55:37 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty exciting to think about.
55:38 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't lie.
55:39 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Adam, it's always fun.
55:41 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff.
55:42 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Always good talking to you.
55:43 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll look forward to getting up with you down in Orlando in a couple week.
55:46 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
55:47 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me guys.
55:48 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate it.
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out as always to Adam.
55:51 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We love having them on.
55:52 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say if you're a person that really wants to see Josh Naylor back, that interview should make you feel pretty positive.
55:58 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that anything's set in stone yet, but just Adam, somebody who's on the beat every day, confirming that the Mariners are really, really serious about bringing them back and No, it's going to take them getting uncomfortable and knowing that that's okay because it's worth it to like, it's worth it to try and bring them back.
56:16 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're a pro Josh Nailer fan, which I know almost everybody listening to this podcast is including the two of us, let's make you feel pretty good.
56:22 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So with that, that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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