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01:07 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening November 13th CowRollie loses the MVP the American League MVP to Aaron Judge in a very close race here this afternoon But before that I just need to give flowers to allow Goldstein because
01:28 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You managed to pull off the spin zone of the year.
01:32 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You really did.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to give you a round of applause.
01:35 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: One a day where Mariners fans should be downtrotten and Yankees fans should be up, and they should be happy.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You pissed them off.
01:46 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And to say it was premeditated would be absolutely right because
01:52 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: As we start to roll into Thursday morning and you see in the Vegas odds of what the MVP level could be and you're starting to get the sense that, yeah, this is probably going to be judge as tough as it is to admit we're starting to kind of feel it we're starting to kind of see it's probably going to be judge that wins and honestly we could feel it for a couple weeks.
02:10 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know what I said, you know what?
02:13 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If Cal's not gonna win, and he should have, but if Cal's not gonna win, let's go out on a high note, let's go out swinging with one final strike, and that's what we did.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And what how do we do that, TJ?
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some people wanna know how we did that.
02:28 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The lowest possible hanging fruit for Yankee fans, which I've learned over the last four or five years, there is no subject that triggers them more than this.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: to make fun of Derek Jeter's atrocious defense.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I did.
02:41 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I started it out all nice if you go on our social media reaction video saying look Aaron judge at a hell of a year.
02:47 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a historic season.
02:48 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys know Derek Jeter's the worst defender in the history of baseball?
02:52 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I start going on again, saying, give Calcredit, but also you can't ignore Judge.
02:57 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, could you imagine if Derek Deeter had actually given a spot at short stop to a real defensive short stop in A-Rot and moved the third base, but I don't know he couldn't turn his legacy.
03:05 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He said to himself, I have to keep playing a trotaceous deep on every day of my life and make everybody miserable around me.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I ain't moving, that's why I'm a captain.
03:14 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Great job, and it worked in it worked so you have on what should be a happy day for the Yankees fan base you have them riled up good and pissed off so congrats good job great you To go you did a really good job.
03:30 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I think Mariners fans needed it I think people were and are fairly upset the Kelvin when it it was funny it made people laugh
03:38 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: the most important part.
03:39 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean we were getting some replies being like man this is this is something your best work.
03:44 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Go watch the video if you haven't seen it but at Marine Lairpot wherever you are on social media.
03:50 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean again, people need a laugh and we need an reason to give them a laugh which is by the way a laugh with objective facts Derek Geter is objectively a horrid defender for his career.
04:02 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: How do the Vegas get this so dialed in when the voting was so close?
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the voting came out for this MVP award.
04:11 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Cal and Aaron judge got all the first place votes and second place votes.
04:15 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Judge got 17 first place votes.
04:18 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Cal got 13 and yet the Vegas sods were minus what 300.
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys were talking about it this morning.
04:29 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were a little
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: tilted.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like it was a heavy favorite for air and judge.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He won by a swing of two votes pretty crazy.
04:40 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in general, I always wonder this with Vegas.
04:42 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: How they're always so spot on with this stuff, especially something like MVP odds because I mean, are you talking to the 30 voters, the 30 writers that send in a vote?
04:53 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it.
04:55 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how they always do this so well.
04:58 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: lots of practice and the thing about MVP voting is it's very inconsistent historically like there have been amazing seasons think of a rod's ninety six season one one Gonzalez one at like a rod was a better baseball player if like people evaluated baseball they by the way they evaluate it today a rod would have won that MVP award but they don't because that's not how they evaluated it back then so I hate to say it but to your point
05:26 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was evaluated the way it's evaluated now, each hero probably doesn't have an MVP.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Jason.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
05:34 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And Brett Boone was arguably better on the Mariners.
05:38 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Although, if you look at those three, again, Booney, friend of the pod.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We love Brett Boone.
05:44 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: that was probably jambies award if you're so fair for a day.
05:48 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we give and take here on the pun.
05:51 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not to say that each or a one of still been a first ballot hall of fame or if he doesn't have that MVP, of course he would have.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just voting's different now.
05:58 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Genuinely, that is the reason
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: all jokes aside.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That is why Derek Jeter was winning gold gloves back then.
06:05 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If Derek Jeter was putting up that shitty defense in today's game, he's not sniffing a gold glove.
06:10 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if in today's game he gets moved a second base in his career.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason he stuck a short line.
06:18 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, if the Yankees had paid him a lot of money, no, they probably wouldn't have moved him.
06:23 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Because even like Boba Shet is an awful defender
06:30 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: but now they're going to if they bring them back.
06:32 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to play second.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I sure because he's a free agent.
06:34 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I mean, I'm just, sorry.
06:37 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a, this is a, this is a distracting, this is, I'm just saying, there were years where he put up negative 26.
06:43 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not saying the process is wrong.
06:47 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying sometimes teams just ignore it.
06:50 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Brian Cashman does like to brag about how little they use analytics, so that's true.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so anyway MVP voting was different back then.
06:59 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt I think that an argument for some people currently is judges 20 22 MVP where I think a lot of people in 20 22 thought that show hey was going to win the MVP that year, but because judge had a historic record breaking 62 home run season, that is why they gave it to him because the
07:26 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And for Cal, this year the story was so great, even though Judge was better, that they would give it to Cal instead.
07:36 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people think they switched it up.
07:38 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Judge had a, was that a 12 win season on fan graphs in 22, right?
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I have that right?
07:45 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like 12.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He lived the world on fire.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:48 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't draw that comparison, but that is what some people were saying.
07:56 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, overly salty that cow lost.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was the MVP.
08:00 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was the most viable player in baseball this season.
08:03 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not like heartbroken that Aaron Judge won because Aaron Judge had a 200 WRC plus.
08:09 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know how many great haters in history have never put up a 200 WRC plus?
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the same boat.
08:17 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Calshina won the MVP, but I can't sit here mad that Aaron Judge won it.
08:22 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're watching and all seriousness is right in front of our eyes.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the best hitters to ever play the game of baseball and by the time he retires,
08:32 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you won't pass bonds, but we're going to be having some real conversations about Mount Rushmore of greatest hitters of all time, and by the time judges careers over, he very well may be on it.
08:43 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be him and Puhulls for right-handed hitters for the most part, and I think he honestly may surpass Puhulls.
08:49 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if he doesn't have the home runs that Puhulls had, he may just surpass him as an overall hitter.
08:54 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The peak is higher.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's better pitchers, right?
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
08:58 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: but that's not to that's not to take anything away from what calmed on it is unfortunate for him because this is going to be his best shot at MVP because he's not going to hit 60 again.
09:08 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not going to happen until he proves us all wrong and does he could but we talked about the list of players to hit 60 the player to hit 60 multiple times is shorter.
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Barry bonds himself never hit 60 home runs twice.
09:25 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.
09:28 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So Cal might hit 50 again.
09:29 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If he has a 50 home run season at some point in his career, that could win him in MVP, especially if it gets to a point in time where Judge starts the tail off in his career.
09:37 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Judge, what, Judge or Bobby would have to have down years, I think.
09:41 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Because Judge is going to, because Cal is going to have the disadvantage of not playing as many games, because he's a catcher.
09:47 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And as he gets older, it's not just that Cal is going to have DHD, so he's going to have more off days.
09:53 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the Mariners just couldn't justify playing him that much, right?
09:57 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Because then he's just going to get hurt and he could turn into Joe Maurer.
10:01 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't want that to happen.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
10:03 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby, what is this big of a problem?
10:05 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I think to call his future MVP case as Aaron judges Bobby, what is we've talked about?
10:12 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Put up an eight win season this year and wasn't even remotely in the discussion for MVP and last year He put up a ten worst season and lost
10:20 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it wasn't even close, really.
10:23 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Just another thing to absolutely marvel at about Aaron Judge, and all seriousness, the three MVPs he's won.
10:28 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He beat out a historic season from Shohei, a historic 10 win season from Bobby Witt, and a 60 home run season from Cal Raleigh.
10:37 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Judge is already approaching near Poole's territory for greatest right-handed hit or ever to do that and to beat out those three juggernauts to win your three MVPs is nuts.
10:49 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a marathon fan looking to cling on something, looking to cling on to something for this story and calf finishing second and you're bummed and you don't want to think about it, here's something that I think will make you feel better.
11:01 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_02]: The 2025 season is not going to be remembered because of Aaron Judge.
11:05 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The 2025 season more so is going to be remembered because of Cal Rally.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I really think so.
11:10 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The storyline when people open up their history book or they go into the Hall of Fame and they look at what the 2025 season was to Major League Baseball.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be talking about Cal Rally.
11:20 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be talking about a switch hitting catcher hitting 60 home runs and his team nearly going to the world series.
11:26 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And him coming up with big moment after big moment, after big moment, where he was able to break the record of Mickey Manel of Ken Griffey Jr.
11:33 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Salvatore Perez on and on and on and on like judge and already broken off his record.
11:38 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So he just doesn't get that same shower of attention When he hits all of his home runs and by the way, he was also hurt.
11:47 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was out of the new cycle
11:49 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: for a chunk of the season, Cal Rally wasn't.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He was constantly in front of people.
11:55 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He won the Derby, who was in the all-star game.
11:57 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's playing on national television late in the season on a Sunday night baseball game in which the mayor was needed to go win the division with two really good teams, and he came on and he showed out.
12:06 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there are so many things that work out for Cal Rally this year that people are across the country that remember the season for Cal and not for Aaron Judge.
12:15 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is what everyone needs to rest on right now.
12:19 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: People will remember Aaron Judge a lot more for 2022, and people will remember Cal Raleigh a lot more for 2025.
12:24 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to add to Cal's accolades this year, even on top of everything you just said, went further into the playoffs than Judge did.
12:32 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He was much more in front of the camera than Judge was this year, between his multiple appearances on McAfee, and he went on part of my take, and he was interviewed by me in a kind, and he did all these different things.
12:43 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, Aaron Judge did not get asked in an interview this year if he's ever ripped ass on an empire, the way the part of my take I just now.
12:51 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, this was cow rallies here.
12:55 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't win the MVP, but people are going to look back five, ten, however many years for now on 25.
13:01 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And say, yeah, Judge won the MVP, but I remember that season a lot more for cow.
13:06 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: and that is something that is great and everyone's going to remember and none of us certainly as Mariners fans are going to forget this.
13:13 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
13:15 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Hardware, the hardware is great, but Cal Raleigh's resume still looks really really good.
13:21 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
13:21 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It does.
13:22 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, last quick note on the MVP's here.
13:26 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Going over to the national league for a second.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We were really on the brink of talking
13:32 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: came believe I'm going to say this five MVP's in a row for show hey Aaron judge doing what he did in 2022 to break Roger Maris's record is the only thing standing in the way for five straight MVP's for show aotani it's almost like he's a top five hitter and top five pitcher in one person hmm it's almost like he's the greatest player to ever live
13:58 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: something I'm sure when people saw very bonds do what he's doing they say they've never seen that again like we're not seeing bonds level production per se but we are seeing bonds level greatness and it is that benefit show hey as visible as ever not only is this team good but he's on TV everywhere all over the country in Japan major league baseball's
14:28 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Part he's all over the place, but it's well deserved it you saw last week couldn't pitch and he decided to do something that had never been done before It's it's insane Which the Mariners offered him a contract.
14:40 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say surely they they were in the bidding war, right?
14:43 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were in on that right?
14:45 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No Oh, they weren't they said they said signing show.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Otani wasn't a smart strategy.
14:50 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That can't be right.
14:51 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and the luxury the Dodgers have already made all that money back on the contract in one year
14:57 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the mayor.
14:58 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The mayor has barked at the money at showhail Tony.
15:01 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not that I've straight on VPs.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck at the money.
15:07 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Good for showhail though.
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I love dogs, but wait too many dogs on the on the on the presentation.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_02]: What I need to give MLB and F for their awards ceremony.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sucked.
15:19 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sucked.
15:20 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, it was like they had to like call everybody today to remind them they're giving out the award.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Scramble something.
15:28 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Make yourself presentable.
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll zoom in.
15:32 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, then you've got Don Mattingly presenting the award saying, the MVP goes to show.
15:38 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's on it.
15:39 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why can't, why can't the MLB network crew just say it?
15:43 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're on TV.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They're wearing mics.
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They have great lining.
15:46 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say you've got Don Mattingly zooming in on his, what looks like an iPhone 5.
15:53 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got no energy.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the writing.
15:55 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can't see him.
15:58 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love you to an awful job with it.
16:00 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: F, F, the least valuable thing of tonight was the major league baseball networks awards presentation.
16:09 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're telling me to can't do anything better.
16:11 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, two of them, like, soda and cow were at the MLB awards in Vegas.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't we get everyone to Vegas?
16:19 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
16:19 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judd probably says to himself, better things to do.
16:22 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the same man who left the All Star Game early.
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But that was more common.
16:28 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We learned after the fact that was more common than the report led on to be.
16:34 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing Aaron Judge did not slip by everybody.
16:38 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He just straight up dressed like the rock.
16:42 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was interesting.
16:44 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got the head shape for two except he has hair.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my note.
16:49 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people say these days that I draw some similarities like looks wise to Aaron Judge.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm obviously he couldn't hear anything.
16:56 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's more hair than you.
16:58 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He's more hair than you.
17:00 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got, well, it's like curly hair, yeah.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: More volume up top.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, where I keep my hair pretty short, yeah, that's right.
17:09 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I see it though, facial structure wise, you've grown past the Christian yellowish.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you've grown more in Aaron judge.
17:18 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take you there one.
17:20 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
17:20 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Two MVP's.
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18:05 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's patreon.com slash marine layer pod.
18:08 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And to start us off, our newest Patreon subscriber, be like Buner, bit of a long question.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just read it out so I can explain sort of the back context to this.
18:19 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Be like the owner says, one of my favorite parts of Josh Nailers is baseball IQ talks about what a baseball family his house was.
18:27 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We need a backup catcher can the Mariners acquire Stephen Cuan and Bow Nailer from the Guardians this off season.
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Mariners do have a backup catcher.
18:39 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think if you want Bo Nailer on the roster, you would have to trade your backup catcher to get him in Harry Ford, which is not impossible.
18:47 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's been floated around in trade talks.
18:51 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems like Steven Kwan's being floated out there this winter, so is it impossible for the marriage to go trade for the guy?
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.
18:58 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He was almost traded last deadline it felt like.
19:01 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you want Steven Kwan, there's a couple things you're going to have to figure out.
19:05 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, which prospects are you willing to part with?
19:08 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because to get Kwan, I would assume with how much club control he has left in the two years, you will probably need to part with somebody in your top 10, so one of your prospects that you really like and
19:20 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: along with Harry Ford to probably get Stephen Quann and Bonilla.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's a lottery ticket floated in there too.
19:27 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say to have that happen, you have to give up a package like that, which the Mariners might be willing to do, where this gets a little tougher.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: is who would fill out those outfield spots?
19:38 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Julio's pencil in a center field without questions, but can Juan play right?
19:43 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's much more of a left fielder and he's good at left field.
19:45 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean Randy Aroza Reina's going to right field?
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he doesn't really play a lot of.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There is some logistical questions there in positioning questions.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Is Bo and Taylor better than Harry Ford?
19:58 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is less about Bo and Taylor for me and more about Stephen Juan.
20:01 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the question I think was more about the Nailer family and a backup catcher.
20:06 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think Stephen Quanz, yes, there are questions that need to be answered when it comes to fitting him in, but of Stephen Quanz available in the Mariners feel like they need an outfield there.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They should trade for him, like you and I agree on that.
20:19 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:19 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't it be worth trading for a pre-arbonaler for a top prospect for former first-round pick?
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Still got a lot of runway left to be good.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He's pre-arb right now.
20:31 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, would that be worth trying to acquire and potentially overpaying?
20:35 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: How much is he really worth?
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's valued crazy high.
20:40 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't hit very much, but he's only 25.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Harry Ford's younger than that.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost think of it like this, right?
20:48 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of it as you are trading Harry Ford as part of the package to get Stephen Quahn, which by the way, if you're gonna trade for him, it probably looks something like this.
20:55 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably Harry Ford, a prospect in the lower end of your top 10, I would assume it's not gonna be Colt Emerson or Johnny Farmell or anybody like that.
21:06 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Lower end of the top 10, Harry Ford, who's basically still a prospect, it was obviously a top 100 guy forever.
21:12 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you've probably got to trade Cleveland one of your right fielders.
21:15 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's Rayleigh, whether it's Camzone, I would guess it's probably, well, I don't know that they value more.
21:21 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to trade in one of those guys, likely.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how you get back.
21:25 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Quon, but that's the Mariners saying, hey, if we're going to give you Harry Ford, we need another catcher.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us Bonaylar.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We're giving you Harry Ford.
21:32 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
21:34 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure Bonaylers are only catching her in it.
21:38 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Austin
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, you're giving him Harry Ford.
21:43 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
21:44 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But Bo Nailer is current.
21:46 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This would require the Guardian's buying in on Harry Ford being in every day, catcher in the big leagues right now.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Or they'd have to go sign somebody.
21:53 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They do have hedges, by the way.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was a free agent.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He might be a free agent now, but he was with him.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he was on the team last year.
22:02 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's one of those guys where he's at the point of his career where, oh, well, actually.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a tough year.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He just, yeah, he can't hit.
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And Nate, Bo Naylor can't really hit either.
22:14 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got to get an 85 WRC plus this year.
22:18 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So does Cleveland want to take a catcher with some offensive upside in Harry Ford?
22:25 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_02]: If they think he's ready to play every day,
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't they know I'm pretty sure they know that Bonaylor's available every day.
22:34 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate the idea of thinking about other capture options.
22:38 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this really raises your ceiling that much Harry Ford versus Bonaylor.
22:43 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: One has more experience, but he's also more expensive than just putting Harry Ford on your roster.
22:50 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This would be more about Stephen Quann if you're making this trade much more.
22:55 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: On a percent.
22:56 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just, I think the question's more about bone-ailer.
22:59 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Quann, yes.
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll say this to answer his question as we wrap this up.
23:03 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to get that trade done in the next week or two, doesn't that become an ultimate sales pitch to Josh and Ailer being like, hey, my game sign here?
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: My games, total my games.
23:18 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question comes from Graham on Patreon and Graham's question is, if the mayor's sign polonco is likely to be de-h rather than second base, should the mayor's be looking at will he cash or someone else, or should we be feeling comfortable with co-young, bliss, or even a royal at second base?
23:36 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Cole Young's going to be the Mariners second baseman long term.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they're going to want to see him go out and earn it in spring training.
23:42 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would be pretty surprised if they signed anybody not named Jorge Polanco who would block Cole Young from getting real second base reps in spring training or during the season.
23:52 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you could still sign Willy Castro, he could place some other places, maybe you like him better as an idea of a third base place holder until Cole Demerson's ready.
24:01 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would almost say yes to both questions.
24:03 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think all young is going to be the long term second baseman, but there is a world where you could go sign really Castro and make it work.
24:11 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you investing dollars into second base feels like a sunk cost.
24:16 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Polanco, if you resign him, is going to be your essentially supplemental second baseman slash full time DH.
24:23 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He will fill in around the edges when you need to at second, otherwise he's going to focus on hitting.
24:28 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: the willy caster price that's been floated out on the internet is about nine million dollars does nine million dollars feel worth it if you were to stick them at second base i don't think so actually nine million dollars does not feel worth it to me at all he did not have a good year exactly if and that's the different conversation at third base like you mentioned
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I would not sign anyone at second base.
24:52 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I don't believe that to smart strategy to try and spend money at second base.
24:59 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Polanco will allow your young guys some cushion.
25:02 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_02]: If stuff goes wrong or they just need it, somebody who's they know is going to be up to war player at second base with Jorge Polanco's offense, they will put him there.
25:13 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, let Coliung get some at bats and become a quality major leagueer.
25:18 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my, it's my, my answer to that question.
25:21 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just don't think Willie Castro totally fits.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question, Graham, and as always, you always send good questions.
25:27 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But didn't have a good defensive year, didn't have a good year at the plate.
25:31 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He's starting to age.
25:33 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's trying to ask for eight, nine million dollars, it just feels like the Mariners should probably be allocating that elsewhere.
25:39 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, nine million dollars, that feels like money.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You should just be putting back into Josh Nailer.
25:47 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_02]: fair point.
25:48 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question, here, hang with me here.
25:51 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_02]: This one is a bit of a long one, bit more of a thought exercise.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: This one comes from Pucci Delgado.
25:57 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a hypothetical MLB expansion draft and who the Mariners would protect versus not protect.
26:05 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So you get to protect 15 players on your 40-man roster.
26:09 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Pucci lists out 14 players that they would keep.
26:14 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Cal, Julio, Brian Wu, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller, Matt Brash, Andre Smunius, Harry Ford, Cole Young, Ben Williamson, that's 11, and then to get to 14, Randy Rosarena, Luis Castillo, and JP Crawford.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's the final person you would add?
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything about the guys he listed off that we would change?
26:42 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't keep Ben.
26:43 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the one I might swap out.
26:46 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The others, yes.
26:48 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a slam dunk though with the replacements.
26:51 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I listed out three that I thought of of the top my head that I would consider swapping in or adding for that last spot.
26:59 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Game Spire needs to be on here.
27:01 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_02]: High leveraged lefty bullpen arm as volatile and replaceable as bullpen arms are.
27:06 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Game Spire has done enough to earn himself as one of these 15 spots.
27:11 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So he would be my add
27:12 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_02]: If I were to swap someone with Ben Williamson, the other two choices are Edward Bazarto or Dom Kanzoan.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to different route.
27:24 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because I would swap out Ben.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep games, fire.
27:29 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm keeping Logan Evans.
27:31 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
27:33 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Logan was probably next off my list.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
27:37 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's our guy.
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it up.
27:39 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, but you're keeping five starters.
27:42 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You need started debt.
27:44 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:45 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:46 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't have too much pitching.
27:50 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no one else on the 40 man that really stood out.
27:55 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.
27:55 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some of my dealer.
27:57 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
27:58 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you greatly if he had been healthy all year would have made this a little tougher Yeah, and technically with Logan Evans if you pull up the Mariners 40 man roster this second He's not on it because they never officially took him off the aisle
28:11 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_02]: that'll be why I didn't put him on here.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's on my list.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then I guess I technically answered the question correctly.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners current 40 man roster.
28:21 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They have to activate him at some point though.
28:24 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: She can't suspend all off season on the IL.
28:26 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure whenever that day comes, he'll be back on it.
28:30 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what the exact date is that you have to put everybody back, but I'm sure he's gonna be on it.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously he will.
28:35 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you consider keeping Dom Kinzo?
28:43 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I still got to see a little bit more what happened in October and obviously like what's been a couple really good months is probably a little bit of a small sample.
28:55 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it depends on if you'd say yes or no do you keep Victor Robles in the stretch that he was in last year and even if you're answering that's yes he brings more to the table than Dom does because Vic can run he can play a little bit of defense with Dom it's either he's hitting right hand and pitching or you can't do much with them.
29:12 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair, but he's more expensive.
29:14 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He's older and he is one year of control.
29:17 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Robless?
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just using that as an example.
29:21 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
29:22 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, would you have kept Robless a year ago, had this question been presented?
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the question.
29:27 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Vicks down here at the plate, though, makes him less attractive to other teams and the one year of control.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about right now.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about right now.
29:37 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking of the expansion draft.
29:41 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying compare keeping down in twenty five to if you would answer this question yes on robes in twenty four and a lot of people would because he put up three wins and basically eight games.
29:51 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's a good thought experiment.
29:54 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that I'm not sure will ever have to deal with, but if we do, then we will be playing this hypothetical again.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the question.
30:02 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Next one comes from Zander on Patreon.
30:06 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of Logan Evans, Zander's question is, if this team is ready to move on from Luis and can't get in the scuba sweepstakes, is Logan Evans ready to take the fifth starter roll for another pod I know, so maybe tough to answer without bias.
30:19 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just answer.
30:20 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
30:21 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is.
30:22 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He is ready.
30:24 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
30:24 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they Mariners put him in the rotation.
30:27 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And moved Emerson and cocked to the bullpen for him.
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So he could start.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that that would be his spot in that fifth role.
30:35 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He is not going to get unlimited cushion, though, because the Mariners have guys coming up behind him.
30:40 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And if they trade Louise, think about this as well.
30:45 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: If they're clearing $24 million off the books, they could also sign a starter.
30:51 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So the bar would be, the bar would be, would be good, would be up there for Logan.
30:56 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But if they did not sign a starter, it would be his role
31:02 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: if you clear twenty four million dollars that also potentially puts you into school more range but the hypothetical is they can't get school done right right right right yeah again not only is this our guy but this is a guy that had plenty of excitement when he's coming up through the miners he's got six or seven pitches and you're getting kitchen sinks people and he gets the ball the ground a lot of the time yet like you like yes I think you're too a Logan Evans is going to
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: be really exciting and be really fun.
31:31 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we're getting right now drive line Logan Evans if you need any more reason for excitement.
31:38 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They post with that today on drive lines account.
31:40 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's there.
31:40 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't actually see it.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's cool.
31:43 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's there working out.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So give us all a drive line Logan Evans is 26.
31:46 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be sitting 98 miles an hour and he's going to have a sweeper that brings like 34 inches.
31:53 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if you want if you want
31:58 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And answer on like, where do you look for Logan Evans to make a jump into year two?
32:02 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the big thing for him would be just finding like a little bit more effectiveness on one of his fastballs.
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, but his cutter was really good this year.
32:13 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: His cutter was a super effective pitch and he has offerings and you know he can throw hard.
32:18 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He he needs to improve his quality contact though and and some swing a miss.
32:22 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, and that probably comes with that like improvement of the fastball in if it all it all correlates and if we were to ask Logan I'm guessing he'd say something along a similar line right, but yes, yes, he's ready And we will be rooting our hats off for him as always Next question also on Patreon.
32:41 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This one comes from Alex Alex's question is what is an offseason trade that the mayor's could make this year that could potentially match or beat the 2020 Austin Noletrade
32:54 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You trade back for a Toro and then flip them to Detroit for Terrix Google.
32:58 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: How about someone currently on the Mariners roster?
33:05 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with that question, it's a good question.
33:10 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't say problem, but what makes it hard is,
33:14 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Back in 2020, we didn't know much about any of the four guys they were getting.
33:19 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, the guy we knew the most about was Taylor Tremel because he'd been a top 100 prospect for so long.
33:24 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's who people were most excited about when that trade came back was, was tram.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So how would the Mariners duplicate that again?
33:32 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It would basically, you know, who tell you who they should trade?
33:37 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll tell you who the, who the Austin Nola essentially would be.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably can's own.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
33:43 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: because Nola was 30, canzones, now 28, and it's the idea of how to really good stretch a game and you capitalize on his value, because that's what the Mariners did with Nola.
33:54 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I still remember the five years ago, TJ's exact words, long before we ever started the podcast, when this happened is, Austin Nola is fool's gold.
34:02 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You do this trade a million out of a million times, and well, he was right.
34:08 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Out of it, they got an all-star reliever and all-star first basement, someone who's now a quality backup that Metz fans really like in Luis Terenz, and you got a top 100 prospect.
34:19 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this would be like trading cansone somewhere.
34:23 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't even put a package together.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a unique package.
34:28 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Like seriously, you had it.
34:30 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Ty Fritz was in a career minor league or but he was like stuck because the Padres did not have room for them on their roster the Mariners gave him room Taylor was a sort of a project because he was really raw as a prospect you had to rents who was mostly just to throw in and moonios was a lottery ticket Like a lottery ticket who was undergone sir undergone Tommy John and was recovering like how do you how do you match that
35:01 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm almost going back to Cleveland for a second.
35:03 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: One cause we were talking about them a little bit ago.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Two cause that's where Dom's from and three because they have bullpen arms.
35:08 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you... Could you muster something up like... Oh, I have a great hypothetical.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Ralphie Velasquez?
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
35:18 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's how it happens.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If we're gonna match up with like the Muno's timeline.
35:24 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Hear me out.
35:26 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners send Dom, Ken Zone to the Guardians.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They re-acquire or not re-acquire.
35:32 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They acquire a manual class A. Oh God, in 2026, gets cleared of all charges and returns to the Mariners roster and then among other prospects.
35:47 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be insane.
35:52 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what it's making up Tommy John essentially Except one guy's in prison and the other guy just got hurt Or he gets cleared before opening day of twenty twenty six and he's just on the roster I'm just saying All right, if I was gonna do something other than that
36:14 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: and try to actually package a trade together.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'll just stick with Cleveland here.
36:17 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What if it's, so you got to pick one of the relievers?
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's obviously much more proven than Monios, but what if you got Hunter Gattis?
36:26 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And what if you got,
36:28 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, when you look at the Guardians Top 100 prospects, at least on MLB Pipeline, Ralphie Velaskas is ranked 9th, but he was a first round pick, and obviously it's crazy power, and just had a really good year.
36:40 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing he's going to move up in their system when the system gets updated here.
36:44 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, what about something like that?
36:47 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's our journeyman first basement?
36:49 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ralphie plays first base.
36:51 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.
36:52 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, perfect.
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you want to do that, I will say yes.
36:57 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you want to throw in some backup catcher, sure if you want to If you need her
37:04 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he's, yeah, sure, yes, there's there's a trade it's a it's a very good question It's just that that is a really hard thing to try and put together It's a unicorn of a trade really because the season itself was a unicorn and then the return package based off of who the mariner's traded is I mean again people if if if you missed Wednesday's episode austenola
37:29 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: is now the mayor's bullpen catcher or bullpen catcher, bullpen coach, four Andre Spunios, yes.
37:37 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Which by the way, we did get some more news today because Tony Arnerich got hired away by the Guardians to now be the bench coach, which is a promotion for him.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So congratulations to him.
37:46 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But that makes sense why that news now came out about Noah because they needed a replacement.
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got a replacement.
37:52 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we get to our next question here on the mail bag Lyle, do you want to read that?
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38:26 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_02]: 3 of board all our happy hour drinks money to ride a 2 to 6 p.m. that's all over a Pagachus Pub 85 in Kirkland next question comes on YouTube from boomstick gaming and the question is of the big names and trade rumours, Terri Scooble could tell Marte, Byron Buxden and what orders should the M's prioritize potentially going after them?
38:47 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to sound crazy to sum logical to others.
38:53 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm sitting here prioritizing just best players available over need.
38:58 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like doing an NFL draft.
39:00 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: This is me saying best talent versus biggest need.
39:04 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm putting Derek Scooblet one, because could tell Marta might be the best second basement in baseball.
39:09 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Byron Buckston might be one of the best hitters in baseball when he's healthy and has best.
39:14 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But, tarick scoobles the best picture in the world, who's one back to back sions.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Tarick scoobles number one.
39:21 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I put scooble one, I'd put Katel two, and I put bucks then three because there's always the injury concern.
39:26 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Same.
39:27 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And Byron Bucks in is the least good of those three.
39:32 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you could still make something work with Boxed in where you would not bring back Polanco.
39:37 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You bring in Boxed into DH.
39:39 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You play him a little bit in the field, but you try to maximize his bat and say, okay, you're just not gonna play the outfield five, six times a week.
39:46 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna keep you at your DH box.
39:48 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He did play quite a bit of outfield last year and did not stay on the field.
39:54 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
39:56 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a fair point.
39:58 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I still feel like you'd have to pay center field the price or center field adjacent price for Byron boxed in to not play center.
40:07 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially since he's the twin star player.
40:10 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, while like Terri Scoob will go right to the front of your rotation and can tell Marta is in your lineup every day if you trade for him.
40:15 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So that makes it a little bit more worth it.
40:17 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the most valuable spots, you have everyone pretty much set.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So as it was wrote now, wrote out Boomstick Gaming.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we do it.
40:27 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Scooble, Katell Marté, Byron Buxen.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Great thought exercise.
40:31 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
40:33 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Next one comes from a random user name on YouTube.
40:37 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to spell it all those letters.
40:39 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for the question.
40:40 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
40:41 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think about someone like Sias Suzuki instead of Jorge Polanco?
40:46 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a great fit and would be an upgrade in the Mariners lineup.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what do you want me to say?
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Say, this is a good player.
40:55 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like it may be more cost efficient to bring back Polanco and I think the Mariners are probably more comfortable with Polanco than they are, I would say, it's a Zuki.
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Say, a Suzuki is not a free agent.
41:08 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Two.
41:10 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to trade for him.
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to trade for him.
41:12 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd have to trade for him.
41:14 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a few layers to this.
41:16 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would probably just bring back Polo.
41:19 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The number for Sia Suzuki this year would be $19 million.
41:22 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So, not honk, horribonka wouldn't only be cheaper, but he's a free agent so you would have to trade prospects for him.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And he fits your roster a little bit better.
41:32 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_02]: If you sign Sia Suzuki, he's DH only for the most part.
41:35 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That would clog up Cal getting days at DH.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Say it can technically play out field.
41:43 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Cubs didn't let him play a whole lot of out field, given that he de-aged over a hundred games this year.
41:48 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They put say a Suzuki in center field for a game.
41:52 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You know that I did.
41:54 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: His defense of run saved in the outfield this year was minus five, which is not...
41:58 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like having Nick Casti onos out there where it's just awful, but it's not a good defender.
42:06 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the fact you'd have to trade for them and by the way, the cubs are in a competitive window would be surprising if they did, especially if they don't bring Kyle Tucker back.
42:14 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that would be a little bit of a headache to make happen, and you know what you've gotten polo and he's a free agent, so I'd probably just keep him.
42:23 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these guys we talk about have trade rumors, or there is trade rumors about them out there.
42:29 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There are none about saying, I went on Google, I looked.
42:32 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't find one.
42:33 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I looked on Twitter.
42:34 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't find a trade river for say Suzuki there were some one year ago that he might get moved But they didn't move him and It's now they're gonna keep on at the cubs end of stinking.
42:44 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_02]: They'll dump him at the deadline But otherwise they might just let him walk and give him a QO and get a draft pickback Mm-hmm.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think that's how it's gonna be.
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I like say Suzuki if
42:54 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_02]: If it wasn't either or with Jorge Polanco, I might be much more into it, but unfortunately probably not for that to rather have Jorge Polanco.
43:04 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Brandon on Instagram asks, Who's on your interview bucket list in the top five?
43:11 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, if you've been plugged in in the last few episodes, I'll tell you one.
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Aeron.
43:16 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Alex Rodriguez.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, update?
43:18 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We are trying.
43:20 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't say we're at the 10 yard line yet or anything, but we are making an effort to try to get a ride on this very podcast because I want it to happen.
43:28 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's on there, juniors on there, I feel like Randy Johnson's on there and I know these are cliche, but those are some of the historic guys.
43:38 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Each hero, I mean that won't be the same because he doesn't do interviews.
43:43 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And his English is good.
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Need be hilarious.
43:46 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be opened up.
43:49 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you.
43:50 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I have a my top five, because whenever he does interviews, it's always on FCC platforms, so he can't actually be himself.
43:59 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: J-Buner, I mean, are you going to be able to handle J-Buner's hour long war on analytics when he comes on the podcast?
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a great discussion.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna call us two nerds who never played the game.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He might just call us fucking idiots.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that too.
44:20 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But wouldn't be the first time.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is leaving people off.
44:23 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's our list, if our list is Junior, Echiro, Randy, A-Rod, and J-Buner.
44:29 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're leaving off, Felix, you're leaving off.
44:32 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're leaving off people that aren't even mariners specific people that we may just want to have on.
44:39 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So how about this?
44:40 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: How about this?
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's our list of historic mares that we'd like to have on.
44:44 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's do another one, putting those guys aside that's a little less obvious that we'd want to put together.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you one, and hopefully we'll get the chance one day to have them on at some point.
44:52 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We have had a few conversations with them over the last year, but Jeff Passen.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Passen would be great.
44:59 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_02]: What are some other famous mariner fans that we have not gotten on?
45:04 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is Rain Wilson a mariner fan?
45:07 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a Seahawks fan.
45:08 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's from Seattle.
45:09 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I would classify people like him and like Joel McCail as Seattle people that we haven't gotten to have on yet, who at least have some tie.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We have had one famous Joel on in Joel Damon.
45:23 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Joel Damon.
45:23 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:24 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is cool.
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Some other ones like Spencer Haas.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but see, like it doesn't even have to just be Seattle people.
45:33 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, here's one, which another one I think at some point in time, we will make happen, but we almost just pass by them too easily.
45:42 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal.
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote Cal down.
45:45 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't include one.
45:46 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:47 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_02]: One current mariner.
45:48 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:48 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you need to get an OG mariner on dog.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to get big poppy on.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that'd be crazy.
45:55 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, G-mariner.
45:57 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:58 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be crazy.
45:59 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If it goes well, do we get a my dog shirt from Poppy?
46:03 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
46:05 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
46:06 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Poppy, Poppy on those world series.
46:07 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Thing on those world series post game shows are unreal.
46:11 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he's there to provide hard hitting analysis, but he's entertaining.
46:16 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
46:17 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We we throw a bunch of names out there.
46:20 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Take a top five of that Essentially we could list names off forever, but there's we still have a lot of people on our list that we would really like to have on this podcast And I think we can make happen here soon.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say yeah
46:33 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Last question, Lyle, comes from David on Instagram and David's question is, true or false.
46:38 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The biggest off-season upgrade will be Julio's development if the result of next season is him putting up career first half and second half numbers.
46:47 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The extrapolate is numbers, where would he finish in a typical MVP race, so two parts?
46:54 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: David, I got a really easy answer for you.
46:56 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Part one to your question, yes, part two to your question, first he wins it.
47:01 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first part true or false.
47:04 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, true, by me saying yes, I mean true.
47:08 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no move the Mariners can make that is a bigger deal than Julio Rodriguez putting together a full 162 games of greatness and the answer to the second part of the question and where would he finish in the MVP race?
47:18 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: 1.
47:19 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He does what he did in the second half for a full year.
47:21 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's win the MVP.
47:22 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in the top 3 at least.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_01]: To Benz with Bobby Witt and Marin Judge, too.
47:26 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Julio got close to 6 wins just from basically what he did in the second half.
47:34 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a 900 OPS with the defense.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Can he beat out Bobby Whitt?
47:39 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Bobby Whitt and Judge, those that's his competition, wouldn't think about it, but top three for sure.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually disagree with you for the first part.
47:46 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I still think signing Josh Nailer, the difference between having Josh Nailer and having the backup options for the Mariners at first base is a bigger gap than regular first half like Lee Gavrich, hitter Julio, and second half Julio.
48:02 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like the war doesn't match up there.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It depends on how you measure this.
48:06 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not adding, I'm not just adding war.
48:08 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm adding, can we use this year as an example?
48:12 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What, the difference between first half or second half earlier or the difference between don't even sell auto and row to Les and Josh Nailer?
48:21 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you make some half decent points.
48:26 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And mind you, rowdy till hasn't, the fairness first base position prior to Josh Nieler did put up positive war.
48:32 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how, but okay, technically they did.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's amazing.
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say false, and then I would say top three.
48:43 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He could win it.
48:44 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It depends really what other players do.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If no one else has a historic season like him, then he'll win.
48:50 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you made it this far into the podcast, I just figured I'd throw this in there for people.
48:54 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we have gotten a few comments.
48:56 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: People ask us about, hey, can you guys get a little bit of an updated YouTube intro?
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We are working on it this off season.
49:02 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't do it in a day, but we are working to get a new one because I know we've gotten a couple of comments about it.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Messages have been received.
49:07 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're working on it.
49:10 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, yeah, it's a good, good batch of questions.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, on the mailback.
49:14 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_02]: People have some good ideas on this off season.
49:16 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Just wait until they start transacting.
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
49:20 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_01]: and just wait till we start digging even further into these potential profiles we got a lot of decisions for monday who should we talk about monday i was gonna say i mean we can make a definitive decision when we put the pot out on monday but can tell swirling around that's not a free agent but i feel like that's making some waves country roads take me home
49:48 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I belong.
49:49 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Can Jerry and Maddie's wrong on two down in the accident row?
49:53 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, okay, you know what, let me, let me take that back.
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there were dead wrong on Gino.
49:58 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna kill them by any stretch for the Catelle trade.
50:01 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause honestly, like it worked out extremely well for the Mariners.
50:04 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Has Catelle been the best player at his peak in that trade, of course.
50:08 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm pretty sure the Mariners still lead by war in that trade.
50:12 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And by getting two years of all star production from Jeansagura, having Mitch Hanager and then flipping Sagar for JP Crawford.
50:19 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You did pretty well on that trade.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know the best way to win that trade?
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Trade back for Katell Marta.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm down.
50:25 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently there's six or seven teams that have already checked in on him.
50:30 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you, we asked Adam this.
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just ask you this.
50:33 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think the clubhouse thing would be an issue?
50:36 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like a good Monday topic, doesn't it?
50:38 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Does.
50:39 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So many to think about.
50:41 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like us two Seattle Mariners podcasters can't definitively tell you in off season episode whether or not the clubhouse things are Really impactful or just little stories with guys.
50:54 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't get along with but it's something Adam mentioned mentioned could tell Marta So I think we've got our answer here barring a Mariners move over the weekend I think we're gonna talk about Katal on Monday.
51:07 --> 51:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay
51:08 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, weren't we supposed to get some movement on the reliever market this weekend?
51:13 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well Francis Romero tweeted here on Thursday morning that he thought some of the big name relievers were going to have some action going on the market no matter of hours and we haven't had it.
51:22 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Devon Williams to the Seattle Mariners.
51:25 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I would.
51:30 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he may just end up a Dodger.
51:38 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_02]: and the episode try harder if you want good players like the Dodgers do again that's what we talked about at the end of the world series i want them to be a mariner but i can't kill the Dodgers if they sign them maybe the Dodgers the Dodgers should just go out and sign the relievers the mariner's don't have a chance at like sign-in when ds sign robber swore as give the poddres the middle finger and then let
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: but you also got to sell Devon Williams on Seattle.
52:08 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I have a great sales pitch when can we get them on a call?
52:13 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you know his agent.
52:14 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to track down his agent in the winter meetings while we're there in a couple weeks?
52:17 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_02]: This dude has like a one three-year-a-in Milwaukee.
52:19 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I promise you if he does the same thing in Seattle's era is under one.
52:23 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna make a shit ton of money.
52:26 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you don't have to sales pitch me on Devon Williams.
52:28 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to sales pitch Devon Williams and his camp on signing with the Mariners.
52:31 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So, there's your goal.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope he likes coffee.
52:34 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you're right there there should be some movement here if Francis Romero's right There should be some movement here in the next few days on relievers But position players that might take a little longer We'll just have to see we'll talk to you guys on Monday.
52:48 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
52:49 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, with that, I think that wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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