Lyle and TJ break down what they saw & heard at Josh Naylor's introductory press conference Tuesday morning (2:30). They then discuss whether or not the Mariners should trade for Diamondbacks 2B Ketel Marte (23:15).
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00:00 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Over the episode number 327 of the Marine Layer podcast, we'll discuss whether or not the Mariners should be aggressive on the trademark and now that they have Josh Nailer.
00:08 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And go after Arizona Diamondback second baseman Katell Marte.
00:12 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Nailer was introduced via press conference earlier today on Tuesday.
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01:12 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday evening November 18th.
01:22 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you want to take a guess what my favorite quote from Josh Nieler's press conference today was?
01:27 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it from Josh Nieler or is it from the Mariners front office?
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It is from Josh Nieler.
01:34 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're probably going to say it's about Tucker.
01:37 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: that Tucker the Mariner's dog was a big reason Josh Neeler decided to come home.
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
01:43 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Tucker doing some work.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a great marketing tool.
01:49 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I make a comp?
01:51 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker and Josh Neeler have remarkably similar personalities.
01:55 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a big swath of our audience who can't do this comparison because they don't get to see Tucker up close and personal.
02:01 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They just can really see him from the stands and it's the same thing with Josh Nailer for the most part.
02:06 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you, Lala and I as two members of the media who get to go down and see these things up close and personal.
02:12 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The personalities of those two remarkably similar, the dog and Josh Nailer, in a good way.
02:19 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see why he relates to that.
02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
02:24 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Tucker's got a lot more outward energy in general than Nailerl display.
02:30 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Nailerl, you got to pick your spots, like he'll show it, but it's got to be something really, really grand that happens in real time where Tucker usually has it, but it's more a general aura and not always reciprocated towards specific individuals.
02:44 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Dogs in general have more energy than humans.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would grade that on a curve.
02:48 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say to comparison for me, is neither has a lot to say to the general public, but to things they really like, they very much appreciate.
02:57 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Taylor, for example, very much like his teammates, very much like Tucker the Dog, very much like his family, and he's not hesitant to say those things out loud.
03:05 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a very common theme in his press conference today.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker the Dog ignores me,
03:11 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Ignores Lyle, Lyle likes that a lot, but favorite attributes ever found about any dog ever.
03:17 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess most of the other media members who aren't there all the time, he just goes, meh, but Rick Riz, Shannon Dreyer, Tucker's the biggest fan of all time.
03:28 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can draw some similarities there.
03:32 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: if he gets to know somebody, he'll attach to him.
03:35 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you mean.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Mostly for treats, but.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was going to say that's kind of Tucker's key.
03:41 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Even with the people he knows better, if you're not giving him snacks, he kind of just gives you the cold shoulder.
03:49 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This snack Josh Nailer wanted was 95 and a half million dollars over five years.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: 92 and a half.
03:55 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah 92 and a half.
03:59 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone has everyone has different things that gets them there, but for the Mariners, they offered a big fat snack to Josh Nailer and he said yes, and we got the number 92 and a half, which was good.
04:09 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Another big takeaway.
04:12 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This came from Jeff Pass in this morning.
04:14 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The team, the Mariners, were bidding against, or one of the teams, the Mariners were bidding against and the sweepstakes for Josh Nailer.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not the Metz.
04:22 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the Red Sox who de-de-fade their first base in this morning in Nathaniel, though.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the Yankees.
04:28 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Pittsburgh Pirates.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah dude, what the fuck?
04:34 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The Pirates record for contract they've ever given out was a $3.39 million dollar deal at the Francisco Leriano.
04:43 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: In Passons' own words, they were ready to more than double that contract offer to sign Josh Nieler.
04:50 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And isn't the most recent multi-year deal they've given out?
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: John J.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So, do I have that right?
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it Laryana?
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that it?
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Multi-year deal.
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sorry, multi-year deal they've given a free agent.
05:04 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The most recent one, I think is a two-year deal for John J.
05:07 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So, which was like six million bucks, which is insane.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.
05:12 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I know it has not been easy in Mariners land in terms of off-season the last few years and a lot of points.
05:18 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But my God, two years for six million dollars, at least they extended Luis Castillo,
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, dog.
05:27 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not it.
05:29 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not Jason.
05:29 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You're never gonna guess who it is.
05:31 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, then why don't you just tell the people?
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to give me your favorite random pirate to guess who this is.
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite random pirate?
05:41 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is that random, but have a Jordi Mercer.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Not Jordi Mercer.
05:47 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Ivanova got a three-year deal for $26 million.
05:51 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the last multi-year deal they gave out.
05:54 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: just over 8 million dollars a year.
05:58 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, who let's Bob Nutting own a team?
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the answer was Bob Nutting himself because he bought it.
06:04 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But my god, Bob Nutting definitely had the playoffs on and watched Josh Naylar.
06:08 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Because otherwise, it doesn't make any sense why the pirates are up there bidding with the Mariners.
06:14 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is not what they do.
06:16 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
06:17 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: For those who don't know, Bob Nutting is the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates, and maybe no exaggeration, the worst to ever do it.
06:23 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Haven't John Fisher just trade punches all the time for that title.
06:27 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this is a signal that teams are going to spend more of this offseason?
06:31 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were going to get the opposite sentiment that everyone was going to be clutching their pocketbooks for next year when they could potentially miss games.
06:38 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But if the Pirates are ready to hand out over $80 million for Josh Nailer, does that mean that teams are going to start spending?
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: tough to know.
06:49 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently the pirates are also interested in Kyle Schworber, which I'm sure is not going to happen, but they're interested.
06:53 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The ultimate PR case of all time.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're interested in everybody.
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We're rolling to spend, we're not actually going to spend, but we're interested in spending.
07:03 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honestly, there's a part of me that thinks that's what's happening is they're finding the people in the media that they can leak stuff like this, too, that'll report it to try to make it seem like they care.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: but then they don't.
07:15 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it the situation where the PA files agree events against them?
07:19 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've got to be getting close to that point, right?
07:22 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause the PA file, the grievance against the A's last year and that's how they ended up signing Louis Severino and Gabe Brent Rucker is extension and handed out a couple other contracts.
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly wonder if that's what's happening here.
07:32 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Problem with the pirates is you can't give out in-house extensions to some of the guys you'll want to because Paul Scheein's ain't taking some horishit extension that you're going to try and offer them for like barely above the money you'd make an arbitration.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the pirates don't have any other good players.
07:48 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean Paul schemes is on pace to get 400 million bucks when he's a free agent.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And if inflation's up by that it might be half a million dollars.
07:55 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was some news today.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, half a billion dollars.
07:58 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bill, yes, half a billion dollars.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That was some news today, though.
08:02 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That caught me off.
08:04 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Josh Mueller talked to them?
08:07 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you want to get back to words and quotes he used in his own press conference, he said one of the only things I care about aside from obviously family, friends, etc.
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Winning baseball games.
08:19 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: If he cares about winning baseball games, no he's not going to a Pittsburgh fucking pirates.
08:25 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't sound like they're what like for as much bidding as there was there was probably a decent amount of bidding for Josh Naylor, but it wasn't I wouldn't say in true free agent fashion because he acknowledged like there is there is a positive to sometimes letting your market play out and have the teams truly throw everything they have at you to try and sign you and he didn't even allow that to happen and he acknowledged that straight up front he said.
08:51 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Once we hit free agency, we kind of had an idea of where we wanted to go.
08:56 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And it sounded like both from the mariner side and from the nailer side, they both communicated to each other, this is what we want.
09:03 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And it ends up working out great.
09:04 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What nailer wanted to see was, are the mariner series, are they going to pony up?
09:08 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you go back to the Mariners side of this, where you have Jerry DePotos saying something we've been wanting him to save for like 10 years, where he says to me it would have been a negligence if we went into theopsies and in the first thing we did was let Josh walk away because if you know some business decision, oh, blindly, like, all right, let me prep us this.
09:33 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry and Justin do not get to control the budget.
09:36 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're talking about business decisions, they can spend the money they're allotted.
09:41 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But in most years, as we certainly highlighted last year, there was a limited allocations that they could use.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's put it like this.
09:51 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: When I hear business decisions, I say to the Mariners, and really this is punching up above their way class, and too, well, you know who it goes to.
09:59 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is this mindset been for 10 years?
10:03 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Since first avenue entertainment, the Mariners current ownership took over the team.
10:08 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously better late than never, and we're in present day, and we should probably just focus on the present.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But seriously, where has this been for 10 years?
10:15 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Where was this in 2018?
10:17 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: When you decided all you needed to do with the deadline, was that Cameron Mayven's Zach Duke and Adam Warren in the Miss the playoffs?
10:24 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: solely because they didn't want they were instructed not to spend much more money yes and honestly we were just talking about this pre-recording i'll say it right here i honestly wonder
10:37 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you look at what the Mariners have done the last five years, which has not been perfect, but it's certainly better than what they can say in the 2010s, I honestly wonder how much change once Kevin Mathert left the org, or was forced out for every good reason.
10:50 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Feels like since then, as many problems as people have had at times with John Stanton, with Chris Larson, with people in this ownership group.
10:57 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it feels like a lot changed once Kevin Mather was gone.
11:00 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And you made this point, he was the co-president of baseball and business operations.
11:05 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So he got to make decisions on both sides of it.
11:08 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He was team president.
11:09 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was Jerry's boss.
11:12 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but him and Justin were still in the organization in their roles, but Kevin Mather was team president.
11:19 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I remember correctly, so Mather resigns, Jerry gets elevated to president of baseball operations, and then they go outside the organ a higher Katie Griggs, who was technically his replacement, but she only did it on the business side.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, right, it will two things with that.
11:36 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jerry immediately got the elevation.
11:38 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was after some time.
11:40 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It was either after 21 or maybe 22.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He got the elevation.
11:44 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't right away.
11:45 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But to the second point, Kevin Martinez is the president of the team now, but he's not as far as I know and understand.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not making baseball decisions.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they split that rule.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:57 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But before I believe Kevin was president, he was team president, so he was president of both.
12:04 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you're talking about Kevin Mather.
12:05 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:05 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jared Apoto was not.
12:09 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He's technically team president, but his more well-known title is president of baseball operations.
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:15 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: While Kevin Martinez is president of business operations, so they split the role a little bit, but Kevin Mather, who did have some ownership equity to in the team, made it being team president.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, team president.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not crazy though, right?
12:30 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It honestly feels like mindset changed a little bit in the last five years, actually,
12:38 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you just want to talk about the last words he said officially as a member of the Mariners organization?
12:44 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was employed, where he was overly bragging about service time manipulation and making fun of accents and speaking English.
12:51 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think things have gotten better.
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think things have gotten better.
12:55 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he said he would have gone out and played left field before Jared Kelly did in the start 21.
13:01 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
13:02 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: No wonder things got better.
13:04 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:05 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, fast forward to now, thank goodness, after all these years, how we talked about for 10 years.
13:10 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is this mindset been?
13:12 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're in present day and in present day, they seem to have altered some of their operating process, which clearly with somebody like Josh Nailer, who they liked and know how valuable he was to the team.
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Took it upon themselves to say yeah, let's let's not mess around here.
13:26 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just get this done get Josh back in the fold and then we can focus on the rest of our offseason kind of like we talked about I think it's entirely possible that the people up top running the budget
13:39 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: were able to see what the, how, what the result of the process was aggressively adding at the deadline, adding pair one you needed to and playing a shit ton of home playoff games and what that did.
13:51 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, for what I see right now of how they're operating, it seems like it won't, like it reflected positively on them, which is very good.
14:01 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Really say, this does seem worth it to get back to this point and spending the dollars.
14:07 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's I can't say exactly how how many dollars they made off of this but
14:14 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They did deen that worth it.
14:15 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like and they did deen Josh nailer worth it as well.
14:19 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, they said in this press conference, they are aiming to try and bring back both Jorge Polanco and Ayohenio Suarez.
14:26 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much they're willing to spend on those two, but that's two more free agents they're willing to spend which by the way, at least one of those two of you're going to sign them is going to break Mitch Garver's contract as well.
14:38 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: for a record of it now second most money they've ever given out to a free agent position player to a free agent position player like that's not crazy.
14:48 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they saw a lot of things they liked what the results of last season and are just trying to replicate that which is great he's wasn't what happened earlier but you never liked a lot of the results as you're quote there you mean investing into a winning baseball team and winning.
15:05 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you go, it comes back to winning, but you have to invest in said baseball team to get a winning baseball step in the style of this step.
15:13 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Step number one, organize a core step number two, add to the core when you need to step number three, make the playoffs step number four, win in the playoffs.
15:20 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they did.
15:22 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And you invested in your roster, which thank goodness they did and thank goodness they're doing again because by the way, this is sort of actually not the sort of, this is part of the promise they made to Cal Raleh when Cal inked that deal last year and signed his extension.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There was that story that came out that it's spring training.
15:38 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You spent two to three hours talking up in the front office, like up in one of the sweets with Jerry and with Justin about all these different things, including Cal saying, if I'm going to,
15:48 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Ink my name to this franchise long term and be here long term.
15:51 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to know that everybody is committed to winning baseball games.
15:54 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, it's going to be hard for me to do that.
15:57 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he wanted to make sure part of that was, yeah, keeping a core together, making sure that the farm system was good, which both of those things were happening.
16:04 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But he wanted to also make sure that
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: When needed, they were going to add from outside the organization.
16:09 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would bet you, Cal Raleigh is a pretty happy camper, seeing Josh Nailer being attached to this team for five more years.
16:16 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is part of what the Mariners said they were going to do, especially two Cal Raleigh and they did it.
16:21 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's one thing to make those promises to Cal to get him to sign the extension.
16:24 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's another thing to follow through on those promises.
16:27 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They could have just added at the deadline last season for one year.
16:32 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and they're not not signed in this offseason they could have done that and they would have kept the payroll a little bit below where it was last year maybe they at the end of the year could get up to where it was at the end of the year but they wouldn't have to do that cows under contract now but he is and they're holding to their word on that which is great and it helps
16:52 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: to build upon that point there both what they've done for Cal and what Josh Taylor says in his press conference today both very much help the Mariners when it comes to player perception.
17:04 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The last two offices that we've talked about, the perception of the Mariners from an agency perspective and a player perspective was not great.
17:12 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Davis should talk about it a ton, he just looked at the players they've gotten there in the comments that they've said after leaving the Mariners, think of the most, the two most high profile guy, or honestly, three high profile guys after they had laughed.
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: First one, A-O-N-E-O-S-S, very good with the Mariners.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They trade them away to save money.
17:32 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a good for players?
17:34 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
17:35 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll throw Robbie Ray in there, number four.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do Robbie Ray leave?
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to save money.
17:40 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Veteran player.
17:41 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Payed a lot of money.
17:42 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Teosker Hernandez, oh, I can't see the ball, batter's ice crooked.
17:46 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse Winker, like all star before he got to Seattle.
17:50 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He left us, he just didn't mash in that clubhouse.
17:52 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: How does that signal to a free agent?
17:55 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Or someone looking to sign an extension to Seattle, hey, this is somewhere where people want to play.
18:02 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, doesn't?
18:03 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
18:03 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but when Josh Taylor comes out and says, I literally love everything about this place.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I love hitting in this ballpark.
18:10 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the city.
18:11 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I love my teammates.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This organization is treated me incredibly well.
18:14 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They stepped up and handed me a contract that was above and beyond what I expected.
18:19 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I decided to sign here and they mean business that that is an endorsement at K-tuck and a courseman Somebody get them on the line actually just get them on this podcast and we'll sales pitch I guarantee if you get K-tuck on this podcast and get Kyle Tucker on here and you get them 10 minutes with us We'll we'll give them our sales pitch.
18:42 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll present our PowerPoint and we'll let them go on his way
18:45 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will be confident that in those 10 minutes of time, there's no way we wouldn't have persuaded him to sign with the Mariners.
18:51 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And Josh Nailer and Cal Rally, too.
18:53 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Those guys can get a piece of the, of the, they can get a piece of the credit, too.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say about Josh Nailer.
18:58 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting to hear him talk about in his press conference today.
19:02 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: him acknowledging the importance of getting the deal done early.
19:05 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, not just for him and his family, but he mentioned how, hey, what this now done, hopefully now this sets everybody up to go make more moves as winner to keep improving the team.
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, look, I like what the team's at now.
19:17 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I know this team's really good, but hopefully now what this done, it gives them the space, and it gives them the time to go add more.
19:25 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's clearly, like, I don't think Naylor's saying that
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was going to blindside the front office.
19:33 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure one of the things that Naylor asked about before he signed is, hey, is it going to be just mayor?
19:38 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to try to add around me and bring a lot of the group back or add some additional talent.
19:42 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure what the front office told him was, yeah, we're trying to do a lot this winter.
19:47 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we say this is a perfect deal after you finish saying that, when we say this is a perfect deal, that's why this is a perfect deal, perfect, perfect.
19:56 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:57 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If both sides are getting exactly what they want, and it sets the mariners up in a great position for the rest of the off season, and that is all you can ask for really.
20:05 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the one.
20:06 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What if ownership decides now that this deal is signed, and they feel confident with Josh Nailer there, that they're willing to increase the budget?
20:14 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: What if?
20:18 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like your baseball ops people just pulled off a deal 10 days into free agency for the largest free agent contract to a hit or you've ever given out 10 days give them let them cook seriously let them cook yes Man, I will say too that to the point we talked about Monday about his perception changing also the same thing we just said the other day you got to do more you can't have one or two bright spots
20:48 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: over the course of 10 years that have been very tough at times in terms of perception in terms of action and just say everything's fixed, but are they on the right track or are they headed in the right direction of course, this is a massive step.
21:00 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They got this done, it's a player that fits, you know it's a player that's beloved, you know it's a player that's going to be productive, he's not even 30 years old, and hopefully this allows you to do more and continue to change the narrative because they can continue to do that, they are doing everything right as of the last
21:16 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll call it six months since the trade deadline.
21:19 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's more like four or five months, but point being yeah.
21:22 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They want to go ahead.
21:24 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go ahead.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, I was about to transition.
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I was unless you had something else.
21:28 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I saw people talking about was the fact that Josh Naylor has a full no trade clause in this deal, which I'm going to be honest about two things.
21:37 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, for anybody that that gives skepticism too, from the Josh Nailer perspective, how could you not want that?
21:43 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You've been traded four times in your career, or once is a prospect, once because the Guardians weren't gonna spend any money and pay you, once because the Diamondbacks were uncompetitive, and he was traded early on when he was with the Padre's in a deal with the Marlins during the COVID year.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's been traded a lot, he probably wants some stability.
21:59 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And for any fan that, or any person out there that might worry about the idea of a no-trade clause and him having leverage and potential trades down the road,
22:08 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you what, after seven years of hearing the narrative about how they've never signed a player to a greater deal than Nori Ayoki's five and a half million dollars over one year, Josh Nailer can demand a house in the Hampton that's complimentary on the Mariners for all I care, and the Mariners should sign up for that.
22:25 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't want to treat him either.
22:28 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: No, if he's good, he should just stay in Seattle for all five of those years.
22:32 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And in those five years, the Mariners should not lose their competitive window.
22:35 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they do, that's a problem in its own right.
22:37 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, for all I care, Josh Nailer can demand a house in the Hamptons as part of its contract in the Mariners.
22:42 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll give it to you.
22:44 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because...
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't keep playing the books in free agency.
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you lose out on guys.
22:49 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta get guys in the door.
22:51 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes make some sacrifices like potentially, we don't know if it's a sacrifice or not, but like potentially adding this extra year, like they did to the contract, the fifth year.
23:00 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Get guys in the door.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise you're not gonna get them at all.
23:03 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jerry Zowords, not letting guys walk away because of business decisions, what they do make good or bad business decision, they just want to get a deal done.
23:11 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And Josh Taylor is creating that's exactly what this is.
23:15 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, speaking of potential good business decisions, we have someone we need to discuss.
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We were going to talk about them on Monday before Josh Taylor signed.
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23:58 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the biggest swings the Mariners could make this off season is calling up the Arizona Diamondbacks and trading for Catelmar Tay.
24:06 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to swing for the fences, now that you have Josh Nailer, you can swing a hit and hit a home run if you go out and trade for Catelmar Tay.
24:14 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He's publicly available.
24:15 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Diamondbacks have some budgetary concerns, they need to add pictures, their team right now is a bit unbalanced and you could help balance them out by trading for Catel.
24:30 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like we should turn on some share.
24:33 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the song?
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you back.
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you back.
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you, want you back.
24:37 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that song, you know what I'm talking about?
24:39 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to play it for me.
24:40 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd probably know it.
24:41 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't do a musical tunes or not.
24:43 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I actually have these musical tunes.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wasn't doing it right there.
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just trying to say the words, then actually sing the words.
24:50 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
24:51 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a decently famous song, but you get the premise saying, the song's called, I want you back.
24:57 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it sounds like to me, is the idea of trading for the best second basement in baseball with five to six years of club control still remaining on his deal.
25:07 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying there's not concerns, he's already in his 30s, but to upgrade there, and to get that guy in the fold, who by the way has been a top 10 hitter in baseball, and it's not an exaggeration, each of the last two years by WRC+.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you'd be getting.
25:23 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: full stop top 10 hitter in major league baseball and over the last five years among second baseman he is 43% better offensively by WRC plus than the next best second baseman or than an average second baseman.
25:39 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So the case to be made to trade for him is pretty easy from a baseball perspective.
25:45 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some non-baseball perspectives we can talk about here in a little bit.
25:48 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But just the baseball version of Kattel, the fact that he switched hits hits for power, hits for average, he doubles, he is produced, multiple taught, but like many big years in his career, including this past season.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty easy case.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't married number four.
26:05 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the first, probably guy that got away for Jerry DePoto.
26:11 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And now would be a time to try and fix that.
26:16 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And a big, let me say before you say whatever you're going about to say, one of the biggest selling points of this, because even with Josh Taylor's side, budget's still concerned for the Mariners.
26:26 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They do not have unlimited budget.
26:29 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The contract that could tell Marta is on right now is six years for $116 million.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Or at least that's what's left.
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He will make
26:38 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: his two most expensive years are twenty two million dollars and it's twenty twenty nine twenty thirty right at the end of his contract.
26:44 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The A. V. of that deal is about what Josh knew is getting paid right now.
26:49 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It like for a top ten hitter in baseball.
26:53 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to find much better bang for your buck than that.
26:58 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: No, of course not.
26:59 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And especially at that position, where offense comes at such a premium at second base these days, we always talk about it, especially with Jose Altuva passes prime now and move in the left field.
27:08 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We always say, hey, who's the best second in baseball, or who's the best second baseman in baseball when you get past Kattel Marté?
27:13 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We say, well, I feel like there's not a clear cut answer because it is an offensive position that just does not produce stars at a high rate these days.
27:24 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The one absolute star that you get year in and year out.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: could tell freaking marte.
27:30 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny, there's been, I heard before that he actually loosened up and stopped pressing so much and stressing as much once he got paid.
27:39 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of those guys that once that happened, he was able to relax more rather than guys feeling like they have to live up to the contract.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So for Kattel, who's in his 30s,
27:48 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Here he has this contract.
27:49 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He has not to play super tight and super aggressive and and press, so to speak.
27:54 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just playing free and I think that's what helps a lot of the last few years.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done a Josh Taylor walk year type of guy.
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
28:01 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, let me say to defend the trade they made back after 2016, that was still a really good trade on the marijuana.
28:08 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: In a lot of years, it actually in a lot of ways, they still won that trade, because you got two all-star years of Sagarra, you got Mitch Hanager and Seattle who was obviously awesome, and then you flips Sagarra for JP Crawford.
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So, was Katelmartay the best player traded in that deal?
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, of course.
28:22 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think Warwise, the Mariners still come out on top of that deal.
28:26 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't, I don't begrudge them for making that trade.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: What I also still like to tell Marta back at this point?
28:31 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
28:33 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the envision could tell Marta being this.
28:37 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, otherwise you wouldn't have been traded.
28:38 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that the dude could barely put the ball over the wall when he was in Seattle.
28:43 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't put the ball over the wall.
28:45 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't hit the wall the warning track.
28:46 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, he, I think he had one Homer in the big leagues with the Mariners, and I remember it.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was against the raise.
28:52 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember back with the Mariners when he was up, and he was so young, 2021.
28:56 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He had that insanely flat swing.
28:58 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't scream power at all.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a different guy now.
29:02 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do the Diamondbacks want to trade in?
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a few reasons.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with the the baseball reasons for this.
29:08 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Diamondbacks last year when they went out and they signed Corbin Burns, they pushed their chips into trying to win this past season.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously did not work out.
29:16 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They ended up running a near record payroll of about $195 million and they are going to scale back that payroll.
29:23 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, it starts at $145 million before they've signed a single person
29:33 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They have guys, they have a lot of young players on the roster that they want to give playing time to, especially on the infield.
29:38 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You have Jordan Lawler, and you have Thrall the Perdoma up the middle, or the two guys you want to sort of thrive for your future.
29:46 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You have Corbin Carroll in the outfield as well, like there are some guys there that the Diamondbacks have on that they have, so they pay, so they pay Perdoma.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Corbin has been paid.
30:01 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That I know.
30:02 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they paid Corbin.
30:04 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So Corbin's a big contract.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been out.
30:06 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me eat those words.
30:08 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they did.
30:09 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Perdom was on a four year, $45 million contract extension that starts this year in 26.
30:16 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually they'll have to pay him again, but not anytime soon.
30:20 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with the Diamondbacks hat is they don't have pitching, Zach Galen is a free agent, Merrill Kelly is a free agent, Corbin Burns' hurt.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's three starters from the rotation that started this past year.
30:34 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Gone.
30:34 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Jordan Montgomery experience absolutely blew up in their face.
30:38 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Diamondbacks, when it comes to starting pitching or struggling, starting pitching and bullpen, they do not have everything squared away.
30:47 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I think this makes a lot of sense for these two teams to talk, because not only do the Mariners have prospects to offer for Catel Marta, but at the Diamondbacks, they say, for six years of Catel Marta, we need big league players.
31:08 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You're also forgetting one more picture in this Diamondbacks fold.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: E-Rod.
31:12 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And where are Rodriguez?
31:13 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They give a lot of money, too, who also totally blew up in their face.
31:16 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's amazing.
31:17 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: For as much as they have tried to invest in their rotation, it hasn't worked.
31:21 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at the Diamondbacks going into next year.
31:23 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll have Ryan Nelson, and he'll probably start opening day, because he had a really good year last year, and you have Brandon Fatt, who didn't pitch that well this year.
31:32 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: of past them, there's just a lot of question marks, especially the Corbin Burns' injury and he may not pitch in 2026.
31:38 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is probably part of the reason they wanted our guy BG, in Branding Garcia's, they probably think he's going to start next year, which would make sense.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They need pitchers, and obviously BG can still start.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But they need more arms, there's no doubt they need more arms.
31:51 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They could very easily call it the Mariners.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They could ask for Kate Anderson.
31:56 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They could ask for Ryan Sloan.
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They could ask for a Jrangelo Sanger.
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: What did the Mariners want to separate themselves from everyone else?
32:04 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, all the other teams in baseball, they have some starting pitching prospects too, right?
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them have starting pitching prospects that are very close to the big leagues.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What did the Mariners offer, Bryce Miller, in this?
32:18 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
32:19 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, the Diamondbacks won't hang up the phone if they did that.
32:22 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they'd be listening.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they think it would really help.
32:27 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But is it him alone?
32:27 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that all they want?
32:29 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd offer some other pieces, but you're making the Diamondbacks life very easy with this because you're taking almost $120 million over the next six years off their payroll and you're giving them a starter with four years of control left.
32:46 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, this year, I believe making League minimum.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the other part of this.
32:51 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners are taking on the whole contract, would you would assume they would or any team would that trades for Kattelmartek because it's not a guard-gantuan contract.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a cost-you-brice miller?
33:00 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.
33:01 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: In that case, you give up a prospect.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But if that's the cost for six years of Kattel at a below-market rate,
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: then maybe that is the cost that gets the deal done.
33:14 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen much of this before, right?
33:17 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Where a player is still in his prime offensively, but is also over the age of 30 and is locked up for at least six more years.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's technically it's five.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got five more years on the deal.
33:30 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a player option for about $11.5 million in 2031 when he'd be 37.
33:37 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: what she would almost certainly take and let's see somehow still maxing out at 37 years old right he's probably not getting eleven and a half million dollars in free agency at 37 like this is a unique like situation very so maybe it would it may be it would take one of your starters
33:58 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I still have a hard time believing that if you're gonna eat that much money.
34:02 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, it's not like you're taking on a tray turner contract, but it is something.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think,
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
34:12 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's hard if you're now, if you were going to ask the Mariners to take on half this deal and you want to price Miller back or a current starter.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, that's that's a different story.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, for anybody that's already in the comments, screaming no, no, no, don't trade price Miller.
34:26 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not advocating for this either.
34:27 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's more to this conversation around Katelmarté that we're going to get into, which circles back to a potential reason for why they would not do this.
34:35 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But
34:35 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like for you to, for the Diamondbacks to get one of the young four pitchers in the Mariners rotation, you can't ask the Mariners to eat the whole contract.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I know that for sure?
34:45 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Because to your point, you don't see this a lot.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a unique situation.
34:49 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I would still assume that that would not be the price if the Mariners are eating all the money.
34:54 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What if they give up George Kirby less control more money going back to the Diamondbacks because they have to pay him more?
35:02 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's possible, and again, he feels the least likely of this bunch of those four guys of Logan Miller Woo Kirby to sign a long-term extension.
35:13 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, that one might match up a little bit better because you're right.
35:17 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It is more money.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It is less control.
35:19 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're assuming the Mariners are still taking all of Kattel's contract.
35:23 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say that one could match up a little bit better, but that's still a lot.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you feel comfortable giving up?
35:32 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is where it gets hard because the trade for a could tell Marta, maybe you do have to get uncomfortable.
35:38 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised if you had to trade out of your big limitation, but are you comfortable trading a starter if they have to eat the whole contract?
35:48 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Just from a baseball perspective.
35:50 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't have to pick which one are you comfortable trading a big league starter?
35:58 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, I want to just sit here and have all our faith in our guy Logan Evans, which if you trade a starter, he's going to be slotted into the rotation and get his chance to thrive, which would be awesome.
36:08 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're just, if you're looking at this, a little more from a 3000 foot lens, and you're looking at it for more of a general fan's perspective, I'm honestly sitting here thinking because I'm trying to decide, are you going to ask me if this makes the Mariners better?
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're training a starter,
36:26 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know what, let me say this, I think my hesitation in the answer gives everybody the answer they're looking for and to answer your question, sitting here and having to think about it this much probably means you are uncomfortable and that might be the situation the Mariners have to get into to trade for a Catelmartez, maybe you do have to get uncomfortable.
36:43 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What I would feel better about, yeah, it's certainly if it just costs it prospects and it can be good prospects, but I would feel a lot better doing that.
36:52 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If they trade for Catel Marta, I would imagine they would trade Castillo to not in this deal, but to give themselves some flexibility, they would maybe, well, but or maybe they would keep Castillo if they had to trade a big league starter because you don't want to trade.
37:12 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to dish two rot starters out of your rotation for one player.
37:18 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, if
37:19 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have to trade Castillo in order to get Catell and it would cost you a starter in the Catell Martaichrade, no I don't think they're trading a starter because you can't you can't take two guys out of your rotation.
37:31 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just look at what happened this past year right in 25.
37:34 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the old saying you have pitching until you don't?
37:38 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw the Mariners get very banged up all year.
37:41 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Miller banged up, George Kirby, banged up, Logan Gilbert banged up.
37:45 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to even dive deeper into the rotation, like Logan Evans, for example, he was on the aisle a lot of the second half of the year.
37:52 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They had a lot of injuries.
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if you were going to have to trade a starter, you would have to say no.
37:59 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If it involved trading, cast the O2.
38:02 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were going to trade a starter to get Katel Martait, I think you have to keep Luis.
38:07 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: As they are right now, if they were to trade for Katell and they were to add them on, they would have close to a record payroll.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be getting up there.
38:16 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They would be a As of this year, I think they would be close to $170 million.
38:22 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If they don't change anything right now and they trade for Katell Marta.
38:26 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be almost $170 million.
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd solve second base.
38:30 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have, there would be a question mark of what to do with Cole Young.
38:34 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's another thing we can talk about here.
38:35 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Third base would still be a question.
38:39 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Everwhere else for the most part, you would feel good, your bullpen would still be a little thin.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where you would be at.
38:46 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say, so now that you bring up Cole Young, and this from a personal standpoint sucks to say too, because we really like Cole.
38:53 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's another friend of the pod.
38:56 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know how you'd get through this could tell Martae trade without having to give up coal-yong, because the Diamondbacks would say, well, we need a second basement.
39:04 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And you've got a young second basement that's got a lot of promise that's 22 years old.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a top 100 prospects.
39:09 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that would be a part of the deal.
39:12 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'd probably do it.
39:14 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd probably do it, I'm just saying, for in terms of figuring out the coal-young factor, I'm guessing that's what would happen if you were going to trade for Katelle, because he wouldn't have a fit left on the Mariners.
39:25 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he pretty much needs to play second base.
39:29 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Even in Arizona, that'd probably be the case with Proudomo there.
39:33 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably wouldn't move back to shorty, probably.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And Lawler would play third.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
39:39 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's where it would be at.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to trade.
39:41 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're willing to trade for Catell Marte, Loneire or Guestimating, you would need to trade trade two of at this point.
39:51 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: A starter out of your rotation, Kirby or Miller.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: one of your top pitching prospects and cool young.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's all together.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it costs.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's either or.
40:02 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think either.
40:04 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not only going to take one of the three.
40:05 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, what I'm saying is it either costs a big league starter or.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: a few prospects.
40:13 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're giving up Brice Miller and Gerangelo and Coyang.
40:18 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels like too much to take on all Catelle's money.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me reward this then.
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It will either cost a big league starter or it will cost a prospect in Coyang.
40:28 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes a lot more sense.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, for sure.
40:34 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that leaves you with questions at DH, it leaves you with questions in the bullpen, but you also had a top 10 hitter to your lineup.
40:41 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you add Jorge Polanco there, then your budget, then your payrolls over $180 million.
40:46 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're an uncharted territory.
40:49 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't leave him a ton of room to do much at the deadline either, which seems to be a piece of the puzzle that they've really unlocked the last few years,
40:57 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: For the groundwork, they've already done this off-season with Nailer and will probably continue to do with other guys that can bring in.
41:02 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They do seem to really like to leave some wiggle room for mid-season when they can add at the deadline so they can assess, they can have four months or so, they say, hey, what do we need in terms of reinforcements in the final stretch and they go out and get it?
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they've done the last few years.
41:17 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So, look, to bring back Polo and a Trafer Catale and a Sign Josh Nailer would be amazing,
41:28 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if his clubhouse thing will bring the price down at all?
41:33 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is, let's, let's discuss this for a little bit.
41:37 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So could tell Marta had had some documented clubhouse issues regarding taking days off without proper notice, right?
41:46 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, he didn't give as much heads up to the Diamondbacks before he would take a day off and it would lead the Diamondbacks in a worse off spot.
41:58 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this from my case in my case and said this after on August 20th, when we're guarding the Catell Martais situation, we're not blind having an imperfect clubhouse and imperfect roster.
42:10 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not even denying it, like they're saying, yeah, the clubhouse is not perfect with Catell Martais and Catell is one of the reasons.
42:20 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I would say why would not be as big of an issue and see at all, I don't think while he might be the oldest player on the roster, the senior on the roster.
42:29 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's older than Jorge Polanco, if he resides, he would not be the alpha on the roster.
42:37 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the alpha in Arizona.
42:39 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he?
42:40 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
42:41 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is the Corbin?
42:42 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's 10 years older than Corbin, almost.
42:45 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you mean from who people look up to, sure, but if you're talking about the best player, I mean, it's close.
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really close.
42:53 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about, I'm not referring to best player because you would, you could argue he's the best p'd be the best player on the merits.
43:02 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I put him above what Cal did this year, but sure, you can argue that.
43:06 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You can argue it.
43:06 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Top 10 hitter and baseball.
43:08 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for two years and a row.
43:10 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:11 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, Alfa, like, no, Cal's the Alfa.
43:15 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you don't need to tell more take to be on the Mariners tomorrow.
43:18 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd say, yeah, cows the leader here, cows in charge.
43:23 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even if you want to look at people on Spanish speakers in terms of guys in charge on the roster, I mean, you have Julio, Bill's have guys like Luis Castillo and Randy, like you have established vets up and down this roster.
43:39 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they talked about that with Julio D's and Amount this year that despite being so young, I felt like he took on more of that role this year, like a little bit more of a leadership role, a little bit more of a guy that people turn to a lot more often.
43:51 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you've got leaders on this team and you throw JP into that too, who's another guy that people really rally around in that clubhouse.
43:57 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So you could tell what would have to be that guy.
44:00 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it seemed like he did have to be in Arizona with a team that was so young and him being one of the best players, the other best players so much younger than he is.
44:10 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, if he's just a little bit selfish, it wouldn't really matter, and that could cause Riff.
44:17 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
44:17 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see if the Mariners deen that issue or the Diamondvex see that an issue when they trade him or if they trade him.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I will say to Katelmar Taze.
44:28 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: point and to take a little bit more of his side to play Devils Advocate here.
44:32 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He claimed the reason he had to do that was his house was broken into.
44:35 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And he needed to go take care of some stuff when he had to leave the team because they had a serious situation happen.
44:41 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously from the Diamondbacks perspective, they didn't feel like that was, I'm not saying they're denying that his house mayor may or may not have gotten broken into, but it seems like they feel like he did not handle it the right way.
44:52 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't love him being away from the team.
44:58 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's not perfect, especially if you were going to trade, I mean, from that perspective, especially if you were going to trade one of the starters to get them and that was the cost, those starters are glue guys of the team.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That whole group is tightly knit.
45:10 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They are watching all of each other's bullpens, you watch them walk everywhere together, they're all friends, they all pick stuff up from one another.
45:17 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you risk losing some of that at all?
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you'd be getting a top 10 hitter in the sport.
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: but you risk losing some of that.
45:26 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if Logan Evans slides right in and eventually you have K to Anderson in Jorangelo.
45:31 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the Mariners would have taken to consideration.
45:35 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fascinating thing about the Ops season.
45:38 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know.
45:39 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But the baseball sense this does make a lot of sense for the Mariners.
45:43 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It plugs for whatever you'd qualify as a whole left.
45:47 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a infield offense is still probably their number one
45:52 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: thing they could circle of what they're lacking in katomarté would make that from a problem to a strength.
45:59 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, what training for katomarté does is still leaves a complete runway for Colt Amerson in 2026.
46:05 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to dream on another potential star emerging in your season next year, it doesn't block Colt Amerson at all.
46:12 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If they were to re-sign Gino, which Hollander said they're at least entertaining,
46:16 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: it makes things a little bit tougher for Colt Emerson in 2026.
46:19 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you sign, if you trade for Katomar Tay, you let Ben Williams start the year at third and when Colt Emerson's ready, he'd be up and maybe those two splits some time at third base.
46:29 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually Colt, if he hits well, probably takes over the roll.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That leaves a real
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: gap open too.
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting.
46:37 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say if you want some insight on Catel Marte, you know you can probably talk to about it.
46:42 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy you just inked to the extension asked Josh Nailer what he thought of Catel Marte when they were in Arizona together.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Did he like playing with him?
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Did he think he was a good clubhouse guy?
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Nailer spent four months there.
46:53 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he got a sense of it along with all the spring training.
46:55 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You could ask him.
46:58 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You could ask him.
46:59 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Say anyone else?
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, probably just be Josh Nailer.
47:02 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:03 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And Josh Nailer is now your future, so you would think you'd want to trust Josh Nailer's opinion on something like this, if you were to go ahead and make this deal.
47:13 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I would I would love to be able to sit here and say that the Mariners could say oh we knew could tell when he is a prospect Yeah, we have a pretty good idea who he is.
47:21 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a long time ago.
47:23 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That was almost 10 years ago now like We're on sitting on about nine years next week of that trade So Lot changes since then could tell has been paid twice
47:34 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a professional now, like a established professional, as opposed to an unproven prospect when they traded him away.
47:42 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see, but I would, despite all this, I'd be okay with the Mariners doing this.
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this would make the Mariners better.
47:48 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this would hedge against the Mariners rotation potentially having more injuries next year, where instead of,
47:58 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of putting these five guys out there, and you say, all right, we're not trading any of them, they're going to bounce back collectively in all of great years.
48:05 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What if that doesn't happen again?
48:06 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you can't replicate 2024?
48:08 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the best way to do that, then to still make your team better, is to go add someone who you, you know, barring injury is going to be one of the 15 best hitters in baseball.
48:20 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:22 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That's enticing.
48:23 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now again, you'd still have to figure out DH and that alone might not be a absolute juggernaut of a position offensively.
48:31 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You may be rotating some of your right fielders in there, Robles, Rayleigh, Camzone, but if you have to tell more tape lanes like a base, then think about a line up that could go, man, it depends on how you'd want to stack it.
48:44 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you think about how Randy got moved down late in the playoffs, if you go,
48:52 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Nailer, Randy, I mean, that's a hell of a top five.
48:57 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, whoa, it's better than the top five they had last year.
49:02 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt.
49:03 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually a cold Emerson's here by mid-season at him somewhere in there too, somewhere in the 789 spot.
49:11 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I know it's I mean that that is a catalyst top five if you if you go out and run that out and Unlike school Kattel seems pretty publicly available.
49:24 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not much of a question of whether or not he's available Oh, yeah, it seems pretty straightforward that he is he's available for train Yeah, maybe we bury the narrative on this and should have put it closer to the start of the podcast, but for those who don't know and a lot of you do
49:41 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The reports out there are at least seven teams have inquired on Kattel Marte.
49:46 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he was that unavailable, I don't think seven teams are inquiring.
49:49 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think those things get shut down pretty quick.
49:51 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But if there's reports leaking out that there's legitimate interest across the league for this guy, feels like the Diamondbacks are shopping him around.
49:59 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they are and you're the Mariners, I think you at least have to entertain the conversation.
50:04 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you deem that he's not a clubhouse fit and you don't like what he do to that locker room and what he do to that group,
50:09 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't think it would ultimately equate to more winning baseball in a good environment.
50:14 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Then okay, maybe you don't want to give up a starting picture if that truly ends up being the cost.
50:19 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but I think you have to pick up the phone and at least entertain it with my case and in the Diamondbacks, especially because you have a relationship with that team.
50:28 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You've traded with them plenty.
50:29 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You got at least ask.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:33 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Fascinating idea, dog.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Fascinating idea.
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Might not be the last time we come back to it this off season.
50:39 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably won't be.
50:40 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if Catale names float now there a lot.
50:42 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And this feels like something that'll catch some more steam at the winter meetings.
50:46 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what can we cook up at the, what can we cook up at the winter meetings when we're there about Catale?
50:49 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We should find my case and get them on the pod and ask them some questions.
50:53 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
50:54 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And meanwhile, we're crew K-Tuck while we're there too.
50:59 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: How about that for a payroll?
51:00 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Nailer Catale, K-Tuck, there's your off season.
51:04 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: set in records, but also much as win a world series.
51:07 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So why not?
51:09 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what the captain of this team said.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Might as well go in the whole fucking thing.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this all season said reflect that.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
51:18 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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