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00:06 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Listener questions.
00:07 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We also have a Jorge Polanco contract projection to discuss three years, $42 million with that be worth it for the Mariners.
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01:05 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair pod cast part of the just baseball pod cast network recording here on Thursday evening November 20th.
01:15 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, while is one of the most important days in the history of this podcast, there was a milestone reach today that has flown under the radar, I think forever.
01:28 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know, today was the final day of Evan White's contract?
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What a day.
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that getting a banner in right field?
01:42 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:43 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:44 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:45 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so wild because nobody's thought about that contract in at least four years.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It is really amazing.
01:56 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, jokes aside, you do feel for Evan White, who by all count really, really good dude.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he has not even played in years on end.
02:07 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even talking about in the big leagues.
02:08 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He just hasn't played.
02:09 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been so injured that he just can't stay on the field.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible.
02:16 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: that it is it's it's something I mean he's going to potentially finish his MLB career playing 84 games on a six year deal for twenty four million dollars.
02:28 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I it is truly like astounding this contract like it is I feel bad for him I'm glad he got it because for some of these guys.
02:39 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: signing that pre-ARB extension is the best decision they've ever made because it gives you nice guaranteed money.
02:45 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody else who probably should have signed a nice lucrative pre-ARB extension is Jared Colmanck.
02:50 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Decided not to do that, told the murders.
02:52 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm good.
02:54 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And now, Jared's a minor league cre agent, I think he also, I can't believe we're going to bring up the name Kevin Mather, two shows in a row, but one of many things he said on that infamous zoom call five years ago was that when Evan White was offered that pre-ARB extension, he said the players union begged him not to sign it.
03:13 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They told him, don't do it, and he said,
03:16 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't turn down this contract.
03:19 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to set me up forever.
03:20 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to set my family up forever.
03:22 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he ended up being right about that because he didn't end up playing a lot of games, but that money can't go anywhere.
03:27 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's his.
03:29 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Evan White signed that contract six years twenty four million dollars before the twenty twenty season.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's twenty four years old.
03:36 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: In that span, after he signed on the dotted line, here's what he's done at the big league level.
03:42 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, he has played an 84 games on baseball references generated negative 0.7 war.
03:49 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: His slash line is 165, 235, 308, 544 OPS with an OPS plus of 52.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: the one positive he has to his name.
04:03 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He played one full season in major league baseball and won the gold glove at first base.
04:08 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a positive.
04:10 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the deal was about as bad as it possibly could have been.
04:16 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what's crazy?
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a trivia question for you.
04:18 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You remember the first Big League game you ever heard the last Big League game you ever played?
04:24 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: the last I will tell you is is is is it notable for some reason it is because we were at it it with the debut of Jared Kalnick and Logan Gilbert.
04:35 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that last one ever, yeah, May 13, 2021 is the last big league game that Evan Whites appeared in.
04:42 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to dive deeper on that, Evan Whites since that time in 2021, not only is he not played in the Big leagues again, but he missed almost all of 2022.
04:54 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He only played 28 games that year, and that was into coma.
04:58 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Since then, in the last three full seasons of baseball.
05:02 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He is totaled four games on the field in the last three years.
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is two games into coma in 2023.
05:10 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Two games in the complex league and rookie ball with the Angels in 24 and nothing in 2025.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you just win the last one.
05:18 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You win my mind.
05:20 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in the last three years, he has played four games in professional baseball and since,
05:26 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Jared Kalnick and Logan Gilbert's debut.
05:29 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Evan White has played a total of 34 games in professional bait, or 32 games in professional baseball since May 13th of 2021.
05:39 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.
05:41 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We were there.
05:42 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We were there.
05:44 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know we were there.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
05:46 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's can we check off check up all the amazing things that happened or maybe not all amazing But all the things that happened for us on May 13th, 2021.
05:59 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one We thought we were going to go see the future of the Seattle Mariners organization in Jared Kalnik did not happen
06:08 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We did see the future front line starter of the Seattle Mariners in Logan Gilbert pitch that day.
06:13 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We also saw future franchise.
06:18 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All franchise guy, not like a legend or anything, but someone everyone really loved.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul C. Wald on that day.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And also saw Evan White's last game.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What a day.
06:28 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Jim Act.
06:30 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You remember Paul C. Wald tweeted that day too.
06:32 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That was always funny.
06:34 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: because the whole story was about calling up calmic and Logan.
06:37 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But see you all tweeted that day.
06:39 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: All the young Sprypot prospects are Dave viewing for the M's today boys or something along those lines.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And do it's funny in 21.
06:48 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, see you all was, I'm pretty sure the most valuable of all.
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He was.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he was amazing.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, one more trivia question for you.
06:59 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Jared Kelnick on the first pitch of the game and the bottom of the first inning popped out to right field.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Who caught the ball?
07:06 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I know this.
07:08 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give everybody listening a second to think about it if you don't remember.
07:11 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The answer may blow your mind.
07:12 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
07:13 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It was full circle.
07:14 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
07:14 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one.
07:18 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Josh Nailer.
07:20 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
07:24 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I need to look at this box score to see if we're missing anything else from this day You know what I know we're podcasting in real time here, but I'm making a decree here We're sitting here talking about it and for you and for how we're gonna go about our social media stuff the next couple days
07:41 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this has to be our clip for tomorrow.
07:44 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tomorrow.
07:44 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to you need to like talk about what a full circle day This day was in Mariners history because you're gonna talk about Evan White's contract being done You're gonna talk about the debut if being at the last game Evan White ever played and Josh Nailer Robbing Jared Kownick of an abat and his first ever abat.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god.
08:02 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see is there anything else in We'll deal with more at home.
08:05 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember dealing more hit a home run in that game.
08:07 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean a manual classic came out of the bullpen
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't that can be a full circle moment there.
08:14 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Kyle Lewis had a three walks.
08:21 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:21 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:21 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Swani just retired.
08:23 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He pitched in this game.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He closed it.
08:24 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He finished it for the Mariners.
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:26 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Eric Swanson for people who don't know.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric Swani now.
08:29 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that that's probably going to be about as much as.
08:34 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, as we can get out of this game, and for a mid-May game, in a, what 20% full ballpark for a team that was expected to finish fourth in the American League West, what a day.
08:49 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What a day is right.
08:52 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I might have been the first great impression that Josh Newler got of Seattle because he's like, the crowd might be 20% full, but I feel the energy for this.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're already making a good impression.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people were fired up at that game.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a big day.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you and I were, yeah, you and I were jacked.
09:10 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so, I'd never, I'd never in my life and more excited for a mariner game.
09:14 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Just think if we're loud and I were at this point in our fandom, the two of us in 2021 were 23 years old, both.
09:25 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You might have been 24.
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gone.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you were 23.
09:28 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're about 23 years old.
09:31 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We had yet to physically see a Mariners playoff game at this point.
09:35 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The best teams we had ever seen was 2016 and 2018 in those teams did not come throughout the end.
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They were old.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They were imperfect.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: 2014 was good as well, but they couldn't hit.
09:46 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And we had essentially, for what we remember, all four to 2013 where they were boring and bad and wasted a ton of money and had terrible leadership and couldn't do anything right.
09:58 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this, there's top prospect, Jared Kalmick, that everyone's, everyone's hypeen up and that you trade for him.
10:04 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes from like the 90th prospect in baseball to top five in a year.
10:10 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh my God.
10:12 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, he's telling his day viewing.
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Kylamic Daniel had him at three when he debuted.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He makes this huge jump.
10:20 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're leaving out some context.
10:22 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The week before we went down to watch Logan Gilbert and Jared Kalmick play into Kalma.
10:29 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, and they faced Mackenzie Gore, if you remember that.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
10:32 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, but, so we saw them, they had a good, both of them had a good day down there.
10:39 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a week later, after that, they had called up and were fired up, so fired up.
10:45 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and at that Rainier's game, I remember the Mariners were on the road that day.
10:50 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember Jerry DePoto was at that Rainier's game, we saw him, and there was this big group of college kids that happened to be at that game on a Friday night.
10:58 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they realized Jerry was also at the game, and during these abats, they all just started chanting, bring a calnic, just because it was a whole story.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember with the whole service time thing.
11:10 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like all these, all these dudes are just chanting, bring up calnic.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Who would have thought are take away from that game?
11:19 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Would have been that the right feel or who caught Jared Kelnik's ball crashing into the foul netting would be the biggest source of happiness five, four years and change later.
11:32 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Four and a half years later.
11:33 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and he had basically just become a guardian.
11:35 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He was traded during the COVID summer.
11:37 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He had rocked the baby yet.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't headbutted Terry Frankona yet.
11:41 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't trucked his bat into the ground and got in.
11:44 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's stuck yet.
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't yelled in the white socks dug out in Chicago.
11:49 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, feed me.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, fuck, like he's just dropping up bombs.
11:53 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And he chucks that helmet like the whole aura of Josh Nail or hadn't even started yet.
12:00 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_01]: it is crazy a day that they might need to commemorate that day in marinara's history 20 years from now they should have a a may 13th day they should do it this year josh nilla ends up in the marinara's hall of fame i think that would be perfect like josh nilla and logan gilbert in the marinara's hall of fame together and they think yet on may 13th josh nilla crashes into the stands uh... and again that logan gilbert was also on the
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was insane.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:31 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: All of our Evan White played his last Big League game.
12:33 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I have a White played his last Big League game, and Big League game, and we forgot about the main subject of why we bring that up in the first place.
12:40 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, before we get into our mail bag, go loud.
12:42 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There is one tiny little sliver of Mariners prediction.
12:47 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Discourse that we can talk about, because otherwise, there hasn't even been shit that's gone on this week.
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have much to talk about after Josh Nieler's signed.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So let me throw this at you.
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to be trade rumors yesterday on Wednesday as of recording.
13:01 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Put out their prediction for what Jorge Polanco would now have on the free agent market.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They said, Jorge Polanco will get
13:08 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: 14 million dollars a year for three years.
13:10 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's three for 42.
13:12 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: When you see that number, does that sway you away from Polanco?
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that keep you steady and wanting to sign him?
13:19 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you think about that?
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is going to be the mainstream take or not.
13:24 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I would sign them to that.
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Because
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of things that go into this.
13:29 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, look at the rest of the D-Hs that are out there.
13:32 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from Kyle Schwerber, who we've already talked about as fun as that would be and as exciting as that would be, I don't know if it really works with Cal Raleigh on the roster and him needing D-H days.
13:42 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from Schwerber, there's just no D-Hs out there that are very enticing.
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And along with that, the Mariners don't really seem to be connected to any other marquee bats,
13:57 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: in this offseason, hot stove season.
14:01 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they're not really connected to anybody else, paired with the fact that the Mariners know they need more offense, they need bats.
14:08 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that all leads back to Jorge Palanco.
14:11 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And you might be a little uncomfortable giving him the third deal, which I understand.
14:16 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But you also don't necessarily have a choice.
14:20 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're going to go spend big money,
14:23 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: on a big free agent, like Al Tucker, which they should do.
14:26 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But in other words, if this is what Jorge Polanca's market is, then that's what his market is.
14:32 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Either get him back or you don't.
14:34 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if the Mariners were to let Jorge Polanca walk in less again, they're gonna go sign a marquee bat in free agency, whether it's, again, or guy, Cal Tucker, whether it's Boba Shet, whether it's Alex Braggman, somebody like that.
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless they're doing that, they don't really seem to be connected to a lot of offensive pieces, and they still need offense.
14:51 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So, this is where you have to again ignore some of the spreadsheet stuff and understand that if you want offense of production in your lineup, you might just have to give Jorge Blanca three years.
15:02 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we started talking about this, I was a no.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this would be an overpay.
15:06 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this would be putting yourself out at risk a little bit too much to sign Jorge Blanca.
15:11 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's important, I think, to the Mariners, but he's not
15:15 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: what Cal or Julio or even Josh Nailer would bring to the team next year.
15:20 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: What he did last year, as you and I called him the most complete offense of player they have, is great.
15:26 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The odds are he's not going to do that again.
15:29 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So what are the point of giving this contract out as to try and predict his future a little bit?
15:35 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably won't be as good as he was last year.
15:39 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I still think he'll be above average, that itself does not call for $14 million a year.
15:45 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But what does call for $14 million here is kind of like what you said is there's just not many more options.
15:53 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Here, here are the acceptable solutions to not signing Jorge Polanco.
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sign Boba Chat.
16:01 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe sign Hasson Kim, maybe?
16:03 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not an offensive guy.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's defense first.
16:06 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But it would be valuable.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd make you better.
16:08 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be better than what you're rolling out defensively at second base right now.
16:13 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, by the way, did not grade out well defensively in his first stint at second.
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Is Kim a total free agent?
16:22 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe so.
16:22 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't listed here.
16:24 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but there's like an option in his deal.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Huh, okay.
16:31 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I could have score that he's signed.
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He might just go sign back with the raise though.
16:35 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what I saw Anyways, so those are the short stops second base.
16:39 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at other second baseman, I mean didn't Clever Torres just accept his qualifying offer or did that wrong.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He did.
16:46 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so he's off the board The next best option at second base by projected a v on spotrack is
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Louisarized pass.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have ICF, you have Adam Frazier, so you could see it drops off a cliff very fast.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: What about first basement?
17:04 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to sign someone to play DH.
17:09 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me say that.
17:10 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, your options are Bellinger, Peter Lanzo, oh, hern, Josh Bell, Goldschmitt.
17:18 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those you might get better, but you're going to be paying twice as much for production that's not going to double what Jorge Polock is going to give you.
17:27 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a long round about way of saying, if you're going to, if you're out here signing free agents, there's no guarantee that there's a better option out there right now.
17:38 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And you might believe in the options the Mariners have in house to play second base and to play dh Fine, that's what you believe.
17:45 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jorge Planck would be better than those guys and better than the free agents One one last thing before I throw it back to you If the Mariners trade for somebody we can reconsider this But we can't sit here and actively predict everybody who's available.
18:01 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so put but could tell Marta Jorge Planck can go somewhere else
18:06 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, ideally it would be amazing to have them both, but that probably won't happen.
18:13 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, again, I understand if people are a little antsy about that third year, given the injury history that Polanko's had, but I don't really think there's other options out there unless the mariners are gonna shock everybody and land one of these marquee bats.
18:28 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're gonna have to give Polanko what he wants in free agency.
18:32 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I think Jorge Polanko wants
18:36 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_00]: at his core, to be a mariner.
18:39 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's not gonna take some ridiculous hometown discount, but I think if it all works out, this is where he'd like to be.
18:46 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This is somebody who I don't think loves sudden change.
18:51 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we saw some of that as first year in Seattle.
18:53 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, part of it was injuries, but I think it's like, I think he feels like a guy that really likes a routine and some consistency.
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's with one organization his whole life before the mariner's.
19:05 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And he fit in here, he likes it here.
19:06 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, him and Julio have a pretty good relationship.
19:10 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously Julio's here, Paul has been here for the last two years.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what team's gonna be good.
19:15 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if it works out, he would be perfectly happy, staying in Seattle.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But the marriages are just gonna have to pay on the contract he's asking for.
19:22 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The contract that would make me the most comfortable is if he signed a two-year deal and the Mariners got a team option for a third.
19:28 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Or even you could say a vesting option.
19:31 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: My main concern is him being hurt because he has been hurt the two seasons he's played in Seattle and he's played through it.
19:38 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the times he played through it and he came out and he came out as good as he's ever been and the other year it was not quite as consistent.
19:47 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Still a little bit better towards the end but still not great.
19:50 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if the Mariners are planning to DH him a lot of the time, there's no guarantee he's going to be able to stay healthy.
19:57 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You think you get a little bit more health out of somebody else, especially if you're paying him $14 million.
20:02 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: For a team that in the coming years has more big contracts to hand out to some of their current guys who are not making that much money.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:12 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you get to that third year of Jorge Polanco, you're still in this window, but it's time to pay Logan Gilbert.
20:22 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't you do both?
20:23 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, stretch the budget.
20:26 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're always down for, but let's just type it, yeah, throw a hypothetical out that it's roughly the same as what it is.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could backload some of Logan's money.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So then when Polanco comes off the bucks, Logan's so good.
20:38 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They could do the same thing to Polanco, and then all of a sudden, Polanco has a bigger cap hit in his third year.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to win in 2026?
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Is two people who always talk about winning now?
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, I do.
20:50 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they need to make Jorge Polanco a mariner or they need to go make a splash inside a marquee for the agent.
20:56 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that I'm providing devil's advocate, but I'm with you.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think they need to sign Jorge Polanco.
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Then without Jorge Polanco, like let's map this out.
21:05 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Without Jorge Polanco, let's say nothing else happens for us to the off season.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You have coal-younged second.
21:12 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Williamson, a third, Domkin Zone and Wright, Randy left, Julio Center, DHS, Luke Rayleigh.
21:20 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Between Rayleigh, Cam Zone and Robles, there's going to be a big rotating cast of guys in Wright Field and a DHS, and that is not the same as Jorge Polanco.
21:29 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it could be fine.
21:31 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: All those players have been fine at some point, but it's no guarantee, it's a risk.
21:36 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And with Polanco, even if he's not quite a 134 OPS plus hitter again in 2026, even if he's not quite that, if he's anywhere from 115 to 120 in terms of OPS plus, contracts still worth it.
21:51 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's still a really good hitter, especially if he's more in the 120 range.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just something to think about.
22:00 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where the market thinks Jorge Plunk is going to be at.
22:05 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't mean that's what he's going to get.
22:06 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Given that there are people who thought Josh Taylor is going to get $120 million and he signed for about 25% less than that in Seattle.
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But you never know.
22:17 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And for anybody that's not in on the three years for 42 million for Polago,
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22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're a little on the fence about the 14 million a year.
22:27 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope that if the Mariners essentially give him the Mitch Garver contract and he says the S2 for 24, you would be on board with that.
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23:58 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: First up on the mailbag is Josh and Josh's question is Lao.
24:01 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there any good trade targets for relievers if the mariners aren't able to get what they need in free agency?
24:10 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always a little hard to predict exact relievers that could be on the market because there's such a flurry of them and there could be points in time where somebody you don't expect to be on the market as a reliever is.
24:26 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to just try and go based off of who's going to be a free agent after 26, so guy with a year left on their deal, there's a couple of names on here.
24:35 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt.
24:39 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's a little cloudy.
24:41 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that fair to say you don't really know what the reliever market's gonna look like in trades?
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially after Joe on Durant and Griffin Jacks just got traded.
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say most of the key ones are free agents.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very nice way of putting it.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The way I would put it is, if you want to upgrade your bullpen this off season,
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: trade is probably not the way to go.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: At least not publicly available.
25:04 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: There are guys who might be available that we have no idea of, but in terms of what the insider's think is available, I'm coming through top 50 trade targets this off season.
25:16 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to guess what I came up with?
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: For who's available?
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Joe Romero from the Cardinals and Victor Vodnik from the Rockies.
25:25 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Do those sound like relievers that Josh or you or I are thinking of them that the Mariners need my answer to that question is no no yeah.
25:36 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm even just looking at relievers that could become free agents soon, like after the 26 season, I'm looking at MLB.com, which I'm not even totally sure is accurate because they have Matt Brash listed on here, who is not even an arbitration yet, so that doesn't make any sense.
25:51 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: At least on this list in terms of who it says potential free agents after the 26 season for relievers, Josh Hader, Astros ain't trading him and they're certainly not trading him in division.
26:03 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: A manual class, I mean, this price is about as low as possible.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder why that is.
26:12 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got Andrex Munoz, but there is a asterisk in here because obviously it involves a club option, which the Mariners, of course, are going to pick up.
26:20 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Tanner Scott has a vesting option.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on a huge contract.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Dowd just probably aren't trading them and I don't know if teams are going to want to take on that deal.
26:28 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It says, yeah, like, I mean, I'm just looking through the list of free agent relievers and it just really is non-existent.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if you want to upgrade your bullpen, you've got to go sign somebody.
26:37 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to sign or you're going to have to wait for the deadline.
26:39 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to trade for bullpen arms, the season is going to dictate.
26:44 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The first four months that the season is going to dictate which guys are more likely to pitch well for you in 2026.
26:49 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Since relievers are so volatile, the teams want four months of data on some no name guy that
26:58 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: the Miami Marlins plucked out of the brewer's organization and all of a sudden it's throwing 98 with a sweeper that breaks 32 inches.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't know that until they start playing games.
27:10 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why trades for relievers in the off season.
27:13 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless there's someone like an Edwin Diaz where the Mariners were flaunting him available as they were tearing down is very unlikely.
27:21 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would go spend money on relievers.
27:23 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to upgrade right now and have them for six months, spending is the way that's gonna happen.
27:30 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Joe Romero by the and Victor Baudnik, just yeah, no thanks.
27:36 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's those are guys you would sign to be your 9th or your 7th and 8th best relievers.
27:40 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Maritas have plenty of those.
27:42 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They might as well just let Gregory Santos do that and they don't have to trade anyone to make that happen.
27:49 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Graham on Patreon and Graham's question is, while I grew with you guys that could tell Martí would be a great target, is Taylor Ward now a potential target since he was traded away from the angels to the Orioles.
28:02 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a second question, but I'll get to that in a second.
28:05 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So at first I was trying to understand what he meant by this because I was thinking of myself, well, why would the Orioles trade him away after
28:12 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: just acquiring him.
28:13 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I kind of understand what Graham means.
28:15 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think what he's getting at here, as we've talked about, Mariners and Angels don't do deals, because Jerry depot his relationship with the Angels is not a great one.
28:24 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I don't think a lot of it's his fault for what we understand.
28:27 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of it is Arty Morano sucks as an owner, Mike social was a boomer, and it was hard to integrate new age baseball into that organization.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it was a pretty ending.
28:38 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think what Graham saying here is now the Taylor Wars and Oriole could the Mariners make some trade with the Orioles to just flip somebody for Taylor Ward this offseason or more likely if the Orioles are not good again, could you acquire him at the deadline?
28:53 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say the latter makes more sense, and I would say, yes, if you still need a right filter at the deadline and the Orioles are not good again in 26, sure, it makes sense.
29:03 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Significantly more likely at the deadline.
29:06 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What would the price be for Taylorward, given that they just gave up a starter with four years of control to get them?
29:12 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What would that be?
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you have to trade price miller to get Taylorward?
29:16 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the comparison right now for one year of Taylorward, too.
29:22 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:23 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, just to go to the trade itself, excuse my language, fucking stupid by the Orioles.
29:29 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad process extrapolated, but yeah, it doesn't make sense for the Mariners to try and trade from this off season.
29:37 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You have the leverage if he's available at the deadline, because the Orioles can't get anything foreign back.
29:42 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get him for a high aid prospect, not even in the top 100, and potentially not even in the top 10 of your system.
29:51 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, that's going to be a crazy division because the Orioles by all accounts should be good again in twenty-six It was a big surprise that they were as bad as they were this past year, but that division's a gons who's going to pitch Well, nobody and again the division is an absolute gauntlet You had three of those teams make the playoffs one of them nearly won the world series the razor always super competitive
30:11 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not want to be in that division.
30:13 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you, but there's one position that the the Orioles don't need besides middle and fielders.
30:20 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need corner outfielders.
30:22 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They have plenty of them.
30:23 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they traded for another one, especially because they gave Tyler or Neil that pretty.
30:28 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: decent sized deal, and I just say not worked.
30:30 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Tyler O'Neill, cursed ad, cows are, and they traded the bet, and now they have worn, and then they traded the best one away to Miami.
30:38 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so spin zone, yeah, they did trade cows to ours to Miami.
30:41 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Spin zone, are there now going to be talks between the Mariners and Orioles, again, the softsees about Colton, cows are has to encursed ad.
30:49 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You have what the better be asking for a lot less than what we have theorized in last off season.
30:53 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not getting a starter for one of those guys at this point.
30:56 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
30:56 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Harry Ford?
30:58 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a big leagueer.
30:58 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Here the Orals could use a catcher.
31:01 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is crazy that Adley is potentially being shopped around anyway.
31:05 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the Mariners trading for Taylor World would be more likely at the deadline.
31:10 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Graham had a second question, market house meets on howl and downtown Seattle is that the best Rubin sandwich.
31:16 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you been there?
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
31:18 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually haven't heard of the place.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it before.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not been, but it's on my list.
31:23 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just no, Graham, I'm paying attention.
31:27 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll have to put it on my list too.
31:29 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We can go together.
31:30 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go together.
31:32 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
31:32 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: B-like butler Adam has a question for us, and his question is, with Cal Rally playing in the WBC, along with hopefully another playoff season, do you think his load management will be handled differently this year?
31:46 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: This is some of the benefit of having Harry Ford, right?
31:48 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if Cal needs more DH days, you would hope Harry's ready by next year to take on a little bit more of a roll behind the plate.
31:56 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I don't know how much cow playing in the WBC is going to really affect how much of a totally takes on in 26.
32:04 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If yes, Cal Raleigh, he'll probably tell you, yeah, I don't care that I'm catching the WBC.
32:08 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to catch every single inning in 26, even though the Mariners themselves for all the right reasons will say, yeah, I don't think you're catching every inning.
32:17 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that there is an opportunity for Harry Ford to get more integrated this year and then you can give Calmore days off his feet, DH him a little bit more.
32:24 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he catches, I don't know, what do you want to call in the WVC that he could catch?
32:30 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: 50 innings?
32:33 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to catch a word game for them, isn't he?
32:37 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they could mix them up.
32:38 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He might, he might, he could always de-H a little bit, too.
32:41 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He could.
32:43 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I think about this.
32:45 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he needs a DH, so let's see, he needs to catch less.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's really what he needs to do.
32:49 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This man got two days off last year, total.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The entire season.
32:52 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: 121 starts a catcher, 38 starts a DH.
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but can't you just start more at DH?
32:59 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of load managing as giving him a day off.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Total day off.
33:03 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't be on his feet is sitting right on the bench.
33:06 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not moving.
33:07 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but the mariners are in a unique position where they're best players, they're catcher.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to give your best player days off.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is why it's going to be a hard to load manage.
33:16 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You could say the same thing for Julio.
33:19 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's a little bit closer in his athletic prime than call his since he's a little bit younger.
33:24 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's it's this it would be the same not quite this I don't know why I made that comparison could caster catchers get beat up a lot more than centerfielders do but it is going to be hard for the mariners to load manage cow roll if he continues to be one of the two best hitters in there a lot of that's what i should have just said from the beginning if he continues to hit the way he hit this past season whether or not they want to load managing he's going to be in the lineup they're not just going to take him out mm-hmm
33:52 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that's unfortunate because it might be detrimental to this future health.
33:56 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It might get to the final year of his contract in Seattle.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't catch.
34:02 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hope not.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But his knees might not be good.
34:10 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, more days off would obviously help, but that's why I wonder if the H days and just more the H days could do them some good.
34:14 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, it is.
34:15 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But what if you sign polanco?
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are days Polanco could potentially go play second base, or Polanco gets a day off.
34:22 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Polanco fits the roster so well, because not only is he a DH, but there are days he can just slide out to second base, and then you're not overexposing coal young, and then you're getting other people off their feet.
34:32 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why I think you got to bring Polo back.
34:34 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: but then on top of that, 50 game, that would be what?
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So, let's again math.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: 38 games a D8 last year for Cal Rally.
34:44 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If we wanna increase that, let's say Cal spends 50 days a D8.
34:49 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're a Planko good to spend 50 days at second.
34:54 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There could be a few days mixed off for him in there, but again, he can play enough games at second base.
34:59 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we know his defense is not great, but
35:03 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: at least off the eye test when you watched them out there last year did it feel like he was killing the mariners on defense no you can't in the moment tell ranges is off though and that's like where it really hurts yeah mariners range in the middle and field is not good with JP and and pull on go out there
35:22 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So if the Mariners had an elite second baseman and then went off to Horya, he would block it, then we would, I think we would see he's not helping them on defense.
35:32 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners don't have elite infield defenders on their roster.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately.
35:37 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know.
35:38 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They have an elite defender in center field and an elite defender behind the plate.
35:42 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's about it.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question.
35:45 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to love this one.
35:46 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Come from Caleb.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb's question is,
35:49 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys think Randy Arozeran will be here on opening day, or is it someone else?
35:53 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker in parentheses, and then he adds after the fact.
35:56 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, would you be opposed to a Jared Calnaquer union on a minor league deal?
36:03 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sign me all the way up for that.
36:06 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody's watching on YouTube, let me just tell you how this offseason would go in my world.
36:12 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners brought back Kelnick and sign Kyle Tucker, can everybody?
36:17 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we see that?
36:18 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Try to get the camera to focus.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I see, I see SpongeBob.
36:21 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's SpongeBob floating, basically upside down.
36:25 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be my offseason.
36:27 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners sign Kyle Tucker and bring back Jared Kelnick, yes and yes.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also think Randy's still in the roster, yes.
36:37 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to be depressed to say that I don't care whether or not they bring Jared back?
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I want to see him back.
36:46 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I put Jared Kelnig right now on the same level as Ryland Thomas and whether or not I want to see him in the big leagues.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll never give up on him.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, really?
36:57 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll never give up on him.
37:00 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well now he's got more free time and he's not most likely not going to be a big figure if they sign K-tuck, do you think you would hike mailbox peak with us?
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Jared?
37:09 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's an outdoorsman, maybe.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
37:14 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it for anybody curious what Jared Telnik's up to these days.
37:19 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's now started like a hunting YouTube channel, but I think some people in his family.
37:25 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got he's an outdoorsman.
37:29 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like the outdoor boys Yeah, although didn't they stop making videos until this month?
37:36 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I've loaded three times this month.
37:38 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
37:39 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't watch a bunch of their stuff, but I know they are.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't either, but people made a big deal.
37:43 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, they're back for three weeks.
37:46 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
37:47 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm bringing a back.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to come on, but like, what's gonna happen?
37:51 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the worst that happened?
37:52 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a minor league deal.
37:56 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He kicks another cooler.
37:58 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he, man.
38:02 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He really had a tough year.
38:05 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm reading his numbers.
38:07 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That is it.
38:08 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Before I ask you, it was a better or worse than Evan White.
38:13 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I mean, this, this will genuinely breaks my heart to say, he, in Guanette this year, crossed 95 games in AAA, geez.
38:24 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: OPS, 595.
38:25 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Geez.
38:31 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it, like, in 24 last year with the Braves, I'm not saying he was an all star, but he was like, I mean, we made it, we made a clip at one point, saying him and Julio over the last year and half at the same, same offensive stats.
38:47 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They were because early on in 24, Jared actually was playing well for the Braves.
38:54 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything, but again, you and I know, it's, it's, it's, like, it's all up here.
39:00 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all upstairs.
39:02 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got all the talent in the world.
39:03 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, well, honestly, any more maybe he doesn't, maybe, maybe that's just past at this point.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
39:11 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: for a lot of the time couldn't get out of his own way we could uh yeah i mean yes and we people failed him yes i was gonna say that too if people really were interested to hear us talk about this because we could spend much more time actually diving into it and we have a lot of time in the off season so i guess we'd have to get some feedback from people but if people were truly interested in what is the potential downfall of Jared calmer especially from our eyes
39:36 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Without getting too far into it, I think a lot of people failed him.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not just the Mariners.
39:42 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a lot of people.
39:44 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So if people ever wanted us to dive in more to that and it was actually something of interest to people, we could do that at some point.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think a lot of people in his life failed.
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners included by not handling his development properly.
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we bring him up for a third time?
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Mather.
40:02 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like when he got kicked out of the organization, things really start going a lot better.
40:07 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes you think.
40:08 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
40:09 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Zander on Patreon.
40:12 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Zander's trade proposal is this.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Here, here, I'm out.
40:16 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Garcia and James MacArthur from the Royals for Lazaro Montes, Josh Caron and Teddy McGraw.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: What the Royals, do that?
40:29 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I'm trying to be nice to our Patreon members here.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I, Zander, thank you.
40:37 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You leave questions every week.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We very much appreciate this.
40:41 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: All the questions, all the support.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: At the Mariners, got this trade offer.
40:45 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like, you need to run to the yes button at the speed of light.
40:52 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Elgarc last year was worth five and a half wins had a one like WRC plus over one twenty at twenty five years old He's got four years of control.
41:03 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He plays a position of need for you Lazaro Montes is right now striking out 30% of the time in double a those are like those are the two premier pieces on either side a bit five and a half one big league player
41:16 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: and a right field slash first base slash DH at 20 years old in in W. Yeah.
41:23 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:25 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:26 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's easy enough.
41:28 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: If that deal was offered to the Mariners, you should take it in a heartbeat.
41:31 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, don't think the royals do it.
41:35 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Realistic trade package for this.
41:38 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This would cost you Johnny Farmelo, Kate Anderson, or Ryan Sloan.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If not two with a three, if not two.
41:47 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, my Cal Garcia was one of the best players in baseball last year by war, and he plays a position of need like you said at third base.
41:59 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, sorry, NES four years of control.
42:02 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All that combined.
42:02 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're giving up two blue chippers for that guy.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It would hurt, but your team would get a lot better.
42:09 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And for what a lot of people say the Mariners need, also doesn't strike out pretty much.
42:13 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, maybe the Mariners could give up lads and one other of your blue chip prospects.
42:18 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that would get it done.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But it would be a lot.
42:23 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon.
42:27 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, which is more likely in 2026, a Mariners wins ALMVP, ALSI young, or rookie of the year.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to work you the year.
42:38 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: What about you?
42:38 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you think about it.
42:42 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's why.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal Raleigh, I expect to be incredible again in 2026.
42:49 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I think he's a favorite to win the MVP?
42:53 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it feels like it would be an uphill battle for a catcher to hit 60 home runs again when you have Aaron Judge and Bobby Witt inside the division.
43:01 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Gunner Henderson mixes in their shoes.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just an uphill battle.
43:08 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Same idea with Sae Young when you've got Terriq Scooble who's still in the American League, at least for now.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So guys, who's one back to back times?
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Carriq Crochet is an American League.
43:16 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Rookie of the Year.
43:17 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, man, there's gonna be some good rookies.
43:20 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If Cole Demerson's up early, he could absolutely win Rookie of the Year.
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm taking that.
43:25 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This is tough.
43:29 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll agree with you, Rokadir.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even what I wrote down.
43:31 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I said so young because what if someone got hurt?
43:36 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what if school got hurt or crochet got hurt and Logan Gilbert or Brian will pitch to their 100th percentile that we haven't seen yet.
43:44 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a chance there.
43:46 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You can make a case of that.
43:47 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Colt Emerson though, he's going to be battling who's he going to be battling Kevin McGonagall who will be up early in the season and he'll be a big one that's the big that's the big fish you'd have to beat out as good of a hitting prospect is Colt Emerson is Kevin McGonagall is a better hitting prospect and that's that's saying quite a lot.
44:05 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Other American leegers that would challenge for this?
44:11 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It would probably be, I mean, Devries is not going to be in the big leagues next year, Leo Devries.
44:18 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The master wall cut is like 19 with the rangers he feels like not not going to be up there.
44:24 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's basically
44:27 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: the two tigers in McGonagone, maybe Max Clark, and then it'd probably be Sam Bacyl.
44:33 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What about Connourly Early?
44:35 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Potentially, he's still rookie.
44:38 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The Red Sox.
44:39 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he gonna win rookie of the year?
44:42 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Lewis has a rookie at the year he can happen right so this is what happened sometimes sometimes the unexpected guys are the ones to do it but if you're going to talk about who the odds on favorites are likely going to be Colt Emerson, Kevin McGonagall, Max Clark, maybe Sam Bessayao too.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh Bessayao's another good one too.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: See hits and he might just de-h with a ton of the Orioles.
45:02 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some options, but MVP and Saeyang have a couple of of Mount Everest-sized climbs to win.
45:12 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I don't know when Aaron Judges is going to stop winning these things.
45:16 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Or of Judge, let's say Judge gets hurt, then you'd have to be Bobby Witt.
45:22 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: who I'm pretty sure is gonna win an MVP.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, we're not even factoring somebody in here.
45:27 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: His own teammate.
45:28 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: What if next year is the year after everything we saw this year?
45:31 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Where Hulu finally cut that strikeout right down by a significant margin down to 21%, which is a big deal.
45:37 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What if he just has a, let's even say slightly above League average first half and then a towards second half?
45:45 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Julio could win the MVP next year.
45:48 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He could, could he win if Judge did what he did again.
45:52 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Judge had a 200WRC plus.
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_00]: This is gonna sound funny because of how close Cal was to winning it.
45:57 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But I almost feel like Julio at his ceiling has a better chance to go toe for toe with Judge and beat him out than Cal does.
46:06 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because what Julio can do that Judge can't and that Cal couldn't is factor in his speed and his defense.
46:13 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Now to be fair judge is a very good defender, but not in the same way Julio is It's for point I was thinking about that earlier, too.
46:21 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible Who it'll might give you the best shot of all those three but if Cole Emerson's up in May In terms of winning in a war that's your best case It's gonna be if those two got at the two top prospects are healthy and the American League It's gonna be him or McGowan ago.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think
46:39 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would probably just throw Max Clark into that too, because he's at least by MLB pipeline if you just want to use them as an example.
46:47 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have Max Clark at eight, and Clark this past year in,
46:54 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: double a you know what I could be overshooting a little bit I think he's a little bit farther away yeah all right for some reason I thought he had a little bit better in double a than dead I'm wrong so maybe Clark won't be up early in the year maybe it takes until more like twenty seven for him so yeah it's I mean the big ones are going to be who uh... magonical and cult and maybe basiah
47:18 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The final question in the mail bag comes from Ryan on Patreon and Ryan's question is, Jeff Passens at the Red Sox, or likely to trade Jaren Doran or Willier or Brayout.
47:28 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Both really good, cost-controlled corner outfielders.
47:31 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of trade package would be needed to get either of them and which would be a better fit for the amps.
47:40 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, fit probably Willier or Brayout because he plays right field.
47:45 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Better player, it's Jaren Doran.
47:49 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: a brave gives you a higher floor and is absent of red flags that's what i would say like you're in his you're okay you're you're talking about off-field red flags now yes
48:04 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, his defense, Jiren Durand's defense is a red flag.
48:07 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the definition of Jekyll and Hyde.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in 2023, he was horrendous defender.
48:13 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: 2024, great defender.
48:15 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_01]: 2025, bad defender.
48:18 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jiren's problem is not athletic ability.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's catching the ball.
48:23 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: and taking a good route, like the fundamentals of being a good outfielder, he struggles with it.
48:28 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If you watch the Red Sox stock, he talks about it a little bit of what he goes through mentally playing baseball and it reflects very clearly in the outfielder.
48:40 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: His offense of sealing those way higher than what your abraise, it's really, really good.
48:45 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Duran would be the better player, but yeah, there are the red flags off the field.
48:53 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: A Brayu is a very good defender, not as high of a ceiling offensively.
48:57 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The package for the two based on the ceiling, I think, is roughly the same.
49:02 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Four years versus three, right?
49:06 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Two to three, two to three of your top 100 prospects.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You think it would cost that for Willier or Brayu?
49:13 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Four years of control?
49:16 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: he's a good hitter don't get me wrong and the control is real i guess i just he does strike out a bit and he's not like a star but he is a plus defender what the above average offense yes i two two of your blue chip prospects feels like a lot for willier breo
49:39 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say where they had to be in the top 100.
49:41 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They just have to be top 100.
49:43 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but also don't think the Red Sox would part with willier a bra you for two guys ranked from like for Harry Ford and who's like felonine, no.
49:55 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, felonine's not even top 100 prospect right now.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by some accounts, yeah.
50:01 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would, man, if I'm trying to win next year,
50:08 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So the better fit is will you're a brave but if I'm trying to win next year or like hey, you you you trade for jaren to ran and you deal with it And I will say by all accounts I think jaren to ran is actually supposed to be a pretty good dude and a lot of people really do like him I think he's again, he set a couple things that are really really not good I know he can be polarizing.
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he can have his outbursts.
50:33 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt
50:35 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: and how that's perceived in a clubhouse is something we can't speak on because we're not in clubhouses.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, you know, it's not the same thing as a manual closet here.
50:44 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
50:45 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be a good dude.
50:47 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's just said some things that he would like to take back.
50:50 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me frame it like this.
50:51 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The last time the Mariners had an interesting personality in a clubhouse, very interesting personality, not the most measurable person was Jesse Wicker.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That did not work out very well.
51:05 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
51:07 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not the same type of personality.
51:09 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse Winker was very from what we understand, just very weird.
51:13 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And did not work in that Mariners clubhouse.
51:15 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're parents, weird.
51:19 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's not like, like, a Cal Raleigh just like, mesh in.
51:22 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, yeah.
51:24 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think Winker's work ethic had some questions too.
51:27 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Duran has some questions.
51:29 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think sometimes they look the same in the outfield though.
51:33 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, when you talk about a somebody who's weird, that would be more somebody along the lines of a different Boston Red Sock in the sense that if the Mariners were gonna trade for Tristan Cossus, like we talked about last year.
51:45 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's more weird.
51:46 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's more like the Jesse Wanker line.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe different levels of weird.
51:51 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm basing this off of what I watched on the Red Sock Sock.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Jared Durand's not, again, not weird.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Cossus is weird.
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Cossus is immature.
52:01 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he is.
52:03 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to read, I'm going to, I don't know if it's still currently the same, but he did this for a while while he was in the big leagues.
52:11 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This man, on his Instagram, would make sure he always had 69 posts and was following 420 people.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That whole time.
52:25 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the kind of duty is.
52:27 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when he would follow somebody new, he'd unfollow somebody else, when he made a new Instagram post, he'd delete one.
52:32 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
52:34 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:35 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:36 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it's an interesting game.
52:37 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, the Mariners don't need a first base, so any more.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:41 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it would be an interesting trade package.
52:43 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
52:45 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be.
52:45 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Fund, fun to think about.
52:46 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: One of those guys will probably be available soon.
52:51 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone.
52:52 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, someone I would definitely take from the Red Sox?
52:54 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sedan Rafael.
52:56 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They ain't trading him.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.
52:59 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She would he if we're we're trying to make the Mariners defense better he would make the Mariners defense better like that Although Reputum you already have a center fielder Put him right.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can mix in the second base.
53:13 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
53:14 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't be the best use of his skills, but You would catch everything hit from left center to the right field foul pull Yeah, that's about right Good set of meltback questions guys
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53:44 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want all that and your questions answered?
53:46 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:48 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And let me remind you guys, because next week is Thanksgiving week.
53:51 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Lawn, I will both be on vacation.
53:53 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We will have episodes on Monday and we'll have episode on Wednesday.
53:57 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not planning unless the Mariners swing a Thanksgiving trade to have an episode come out on Friday after Thanksgiving.
54:04 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Just know that.
54:05 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If you wake up and there's no episode on Friday and you're like, what happened to the Marine Latter podcast, did they stop?
54:12 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't.
54:13 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to, we'll be back on Monday.
54:15 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll, it'll be a normal schedule after that.
54:17 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just one episode we're not going to do.
54:19 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And we also figured during Thanksgiving weekend, during Black Friday, you know, people are busy with their own stuff.
54:25 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So, well, yeah, I think we'll just give everybody one vacation episode that free episode where so many people will go.
54:33 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners signed K-talk on Thanksgiving.
54:35 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You bet your ass after our turkey dinner were sitting down.
54:37 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and talking.
54:41 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They signed K-talk during Thanksgiving.
54:43 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's getting halted.
54:44 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
54:45 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting up and I'll be screaming, screaming to the heavens.
54:50 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: If you had a choice between eating cranberry sauce, 365 days a year or signing K-talk, what would it be?
55:02 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I love cranberry sauce, but I only eat it about two to three days a year.
55:07 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't make it all year round.
55:08 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have it during Thanksgiving.
55:10 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So the answer is K-talk.
55:12 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what if you could eat it all year?
55:13 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, K-talk, okay.
55:17 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:17 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:17 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You made me, you made me answer the peanut butter and jelly question a while back.
55:20 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the harder one.
55:21 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still said I'm for the people, sign Kyle Tucker.
55:24 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was just checking.
55:26 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you love cranberry sauce.
55:27 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the only person I know who does.
55:30 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you don't meet the right people.
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sorry.
55:34 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We just have a good taste or I have good taste.
55:39 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
55:41 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
55:43 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:44 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I do.
55:45 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be eating a bunch of it.
55:46 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yeah, no episode next Friday.
55:49 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have him on day Wednesday, and then we'll be back to normal.
55:51 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we'll be getting close to the winter meetings.
55:52 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, on stuff, there we go.
55:55 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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56:29 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle, as always we thank you guys for tuning in, we'll talk to you soon.