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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 330 of the Marine Layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We welcome on recurring guests and friend of the pod Trevor May to talk about the Mariners offseason and answer some CBA questions with the supposed lockout coming up about one year from now and Trevor's the guy you want to hear from about that in a fantastic conversation.
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01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get it rolling.
01:15 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network reporting here on Sunday afternoon November 23rd just full transparency for this being a Wednesday episode.
01:27 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We are pre-taping this intro, but it will be a very good conversation with Trevor May will ask him about the Mariners off season.
01:35 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk to him about some of the CBA tidbits, maybe about this Bryce Harper situation that happened earlier in the off season with
01:42 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: the lockout and the labor negotiations going on about a year from now.
01:46 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that Trevor May is really, really good at.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really smart.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows his stuff on that.
01:51 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a very interesting conversation with Trevor.
01:53 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It always is true friend of the program.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:57 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's
01:57 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: he's awesome every time he comes on he's always awesome with us and it's been so cool to have a player that's not only so ingrained into the media space now especially the new age content space with everything Trevor obviously does on YouTube and on social media and with falteratory, but
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I mean, he is really smart.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We say it every time he comes on.
02:16 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he researches his stuff.
02:18 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He has strong opinions on this stuff.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There are opinions that are totally backed up.
02:22 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you're going to hear plenty of it when we talk to him.
02:25 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, he is coming from this on the player side, which I'm sure the two of us will be doing throughout the lockout as well, because this is a pro player's pod.
02:34 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We ain't exactly pro owners on this pod to say the least.
02:38 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think a lot of the things that Trevor will say are a lot of the things that we'll agree with,
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll be fun.
02:43 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I know the lock out is not a fun conversation for a lot of different reasons, but with about a year to go before it is supposedly set to start, it is probably good.
02:53 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to keep everybody informed, to some degree on what's going on and what's happening behind the scenes and Trevor's the best person to do that.
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But with that, we're going to talk plenty of mariners too.
03:02 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He loved the Josh Nailer signing.
03:04 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got some good ideas for what the mariners could do the rest of the way to keep improving the roster.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a fun conversation
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We won't keep you guys any longer.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get you to the interview with Trevor May.
03:17 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got front of the podcast, recurring guest creator of May Day and retired MLB pitcher Trevor May on with us.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Trevor, thanks for taking some time to join us.
03:28 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The people want to know, what is it like to train to throw 100 miles an hour after you retire?
03:35 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it, it both is, is awesome and sucks.
03:40 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Science simultaneously because, uh, one interesting thing is when you don't have to, like, think about getting hitters out, it's very freeing.
03:49 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You can just kind of, um, uh,
03:52 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: For lack of a better turn, just have fun with it and just see like there's no stakes and so you just mess around and It's been a really long time since I was able to kind of just mess around while throwing a baseball and That that's interesting and fun, but then on the other side it's like
04:10 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes when you take it super duper seriously, that's what gets you to get velocity like you need the stakes sometimes you need to competition You need the you know the the reason and there's one of the best reasons there is is that one so does in the box so So yeah, it's a different different mindset, but I'm finding my way forward and
04:31 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_02]: honestly just maintaining some level of lossy where I'm just kind of throwing over 90 miles an hour and I can throw live BP live A.B.s and stuff is is is fun, but we're going to put a we're going to do another real hard push I think for push one was kind of actually expected but but that plateau was was much harder to burst through than I thought so but we're going to do it again going to spring so I'm excited.
04:54 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Does everything not hurt.
04:57 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: No, surprisingly not.
04:59 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it doesn't, and when I stopped playing, it was not because my body was breaking down, though I was slowing down, like as you do when you play for long enough.
05:07 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, in terms of, as we say, having bullets in a ready to go or some fuel left in the tank, I think I had a couple more years left in there at least that I could have hung on and found
05:26 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that no matter how successful I was on the field, like that, the interest in me as a player was going to go down, no matter what, and it kind of got out ahead of that, but there was a lot of things going on, so.
05:38 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I do feel good.
05:39 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I, yes, I running into some weird stuff that like, you know, you get old man stuff going, because I'm 36 years old, but you got to take longer probably to get through it.
05:49 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, but.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just the name of the game.
05:52 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Other than that though, nothing like, nothing like, oh, this is impossible because I have this injury that never, you know, is never going to heal or whatever like that.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That was never a part of it, which I'm, I'm very lucky.
06:03 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if any of our listeners haven't checked out Trevor's channel Mayday, he, he made it a goal.
06:10 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: To train to throw 100 again, he had thrown 100 when Trevor was playing and he said, okay, now that I'm retired, we're going to ramp up, we're going to try and throw 100 again.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: but it is still work in progress.
06:21 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're to I mean you're doing great Trevor because I mean I can't it probably can't even throw 70 without significantly hurting myself right now.
06:28 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So Well, thank you appreciate that.
06:31 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: My God.
06:31 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, big gone.
06:33 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything before we get into some mariners stuff?
06:35 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything that surprised you about going back on this journey to try to get back to a hundred miles an hour?
06:41 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, it's funny, it's like not maybe surprised, but maybe I was underestimating a few things.
06:51 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I tend to do this anyways, but whenever I start a new project, I like give myself not, I don't, but the deadline is usually too close or I don't give myself time to do it properly or I don't factor in the fact that, you know, I have a small child and that takes.
07:07 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: like half of the time I had before while I was playing too.
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I just don't factor that stuff in.
07:13 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I hit some walls or like, don't kind of throw as much a couple of weeks that I need to just stay on track.
07:19 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, oh, surprise.
07:23 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that you always do happen again.
07:25 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I can't say that I'm surprised.
07:29 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh,
07:30 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It is slower going.
07:31 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It is some things that kind of naturally would come back as I get ready ramp up for a season like just never kind of came together I had to like really focus on it a little bit more and that kind of what happened when you don't Throw as hard as you can for two years.
07:45 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's you really do it's a it's a fine motor skill You have to keep it sharp or or just like at a baseline level or you're gonna start Going backwards and forgetting how to do some things so there were a few things.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah
07:58 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: like that that was an issue I had when I played and I don't have the incentive to focus on every little thing so of course that's going to show up and that was fascinating but nothing massive nothing massive just little mechanical things he had shoulder separation were like moving fast all kinds of little little
08:15 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: technical things that I have to kind of get creative with with relearning and and I tend I'm intending to kind of go above and beyond in terms of the the maybe the intent tension and just like the like go really really really hard.
08:31 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_02]: going into sprint training, maybe even harder than I would have regularly because usually just save some energy because you can still get in shape in sprint training.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do that.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be in shape when sprint training starts.
08:42 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So if I, if I just say, hey, go off for sprint run as fast a can as long as you can, I think I have a better chance to do it and just see where we get to.
08:51 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: want to ask you some about the Mariners off season we could start with has happened most recently with the Mariners a move that you were a big fan of the re-signing Josh Nailer last week.
09:02 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Why in your opinion when were you, you know, so for that move for the Mariners like what what would it like the indicators when you watch a player play with the team that you can tell like this this works.
09:15 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he complements, I think, the core that they have and that they see themselves winning with really well.
09:23 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think putting him, I think he's good protection for either Julio Orcal, who are going to be the producers and
09:33 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_02]: if they're not the producers and the team's probably not playing that well.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the way it is.
09:36 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you have to kind of lean in that and he, he's not a fun guy to face.
09:41 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, right.
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, he gets right.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He's really well.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He does not strike out a lot.
09:44 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He has some pop, but like with those two guys ahead of him, he doesn't need to be, you know, you're, you're a 40 homer, uh, uh, high strikeout, lefties, bat, and that's not, that's something that's worked very well for the
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: count on that.
10:02 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and he just doesn't strike out.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, he's a great defender.
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he just kind of does all of the things they've needed.
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they just needed, we talk about corner pop with them.
10:13 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot.
10:14 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we need a third basement that is going to be, you know, be able to put the ball of the fence and first basement, it can do that.
10:20 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but in reality, they just really have needed corner, like,
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Corner guys to be part of their core.
10:26 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't had it since eager and and maybe even Ellie Cruz, but like he really wasn't, you know, he he was a date.
10:34 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like we they haven't had this going for a while and I think they've really been up lock in one of these, uh, one of these spots.
10:41 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great for the team.
10:44 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a musket and I think Jerry depot on new that.
10:48 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone knew that that like it was going to be their top priority bringing him back because he was he was a rock in the in the plot.
10:54 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw what he does to a young kind of it.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_02]: gets overly excited.
10:59 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe lineup that maybe that's been there.
11:02 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're downfall in recent years.
11:04 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He is a he is a steady force right in the middle there that I think even in a down year, he still adds a lot of value to a team.
11:12 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't need to be this incredible offensive bat in order to be of a very good piece to this team.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's a no-brainer for me.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There might not be a perfect answer to this question, but I'm still curious to get your take on it, especially as a former player.
11:27 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there certain personalities that you think work better with this team than others?
11:31 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, Nailer's a character in his own right, and he's certainly been in the spotlight in the past.
11:37 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But this team, and I'm not saying he's not a good clubhouse guy by all accounts everywhere he's been, he has been.
11:43 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners seem to just love him, all the players, all the coaches, et cetera.
11:47 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, there's something about that type of personality that works for these guys.
11:51 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 100% and I think that like there's a reason that, you know, Gina Swara's love's coming back here because frankly, the park is not conducive to him.
12:01 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not like a great place for him to hit.
12:05 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And for guy who is predominantly a bat, you know, sometimes you can be a place like if you don't have a great clubhouse or will you like being there, it can be miserable to be playing in a park that doesn't help you be successful the way that maybe other places do like say
12:20 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_02]: right so uh and but for him to be super excited to go back because he just knows uh that he likes being in the park and likes the fan base and likes the guys he's around because he just fits in personality-wise and their all buddies um like that that is massive I think you give yourself the best chance to to
12:38 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Let the bad stuff go and focus only on the good stuff and be able to go out there and do your job every single day and nailer is another one of those guys You we saw how they put his initials up on the stadium when he signed like and then he was like no one they are not I did not expect anyone to do that for me.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just
12:54 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he feels really welcomed, not that he didn't feel welcomed anywhere else, because in Cleveland, he very much seemed like he was part- they had a very similar kind of thing going, and he fit right in there too.
13:04 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a spark plug when you need a spark plug, but he's also kind of the even kill guy when you even even kill.
13:09 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of is a chameleon from what I see and what I've heard and it totally, but when you see from the outside, especially even the dugout let, like if you need someone to be loud and say something when no one has said anything, he'll do it,
13:23 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You could just tell that like whatever the situation calls for, he'll be that energy, he'll give you the proper energy level.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's one of the intangibles he brings and we've seen it everywhere.
13:33 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been even when he was really young and on the Padres, he brought a lot of energy because that was the role he played in an on a team with a bunch of veteran guys who were kind of maybe more even kill.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's just kind of the way it is.
13:45 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was, I love it because
13:51 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just not, he just goes out there and does it with his bat and his glove, and Nailer was more of the animation out there, and I think we didn't see that as much when he's on the Mariners because they got ulio, and they got Randy, and they got, you know, they got the other guys who have a little bit more of that personality popping out, so he's like, you know what, I'll be chill, and I'm more of a veteran here, and he's just good at it, and any team would be better with him in it, but I think that there's just some about this place that he likes to play here.
14:19 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: how often from your experience to players goes somewhere new for two months and then collecting enough information there to decide that besides the money aspect, they're okay signing away, signing there for another half decade.
14:34 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: How many things do you consider and how, how does it get to that point where you decide within two months, that's the place you want to be for
14:48 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the only reason that that is rare is because is when the money doesn't get close to matching, right, or it's a foregone conclusion that they're probably not going to get recent because they're going to be too expensive.
15:00 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But that I think there's a lot of guys that once you get somewhere and you're like, I like it here.
15:04 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if I could just get close to my value, not even I maybe I'll take a little bit less to stay here.
15:10 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If I could just get that deal, that would be great.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But most of the time that
15:17 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_02]: guys really like it mostly often because they played really well and then they're worth now they're worth more money so like that's usually the trade off guys they would love to be able to say I have five of the exact same offers now I get to just make a decision based on all the other stuff that I care about proximity to home or the city I like to be in or you know
15:39 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The organization, you know, with my family helps me out or whatever it is, there's a lot of different things you can factor in.
15:45 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think with the nature of a free agency now and how it's kind of your big payday option that that kind of gets weighed.
15:52 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And those numbers like most guys who are valuable and can sign five of your deals are can only be afforded by a certain number of teams.
15:59 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: and that I think that I think kind of not only pigeonholes or forces the teams into who can offer and like who can participate, but also the player gets less options as well.
16:10 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like it does come down to money because a lot of times there's just one
16:15 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: one offer that's going to meet that that number get close to it to it to where you can focus on the other things that's the sad sad state that's something that I would like to I would like to see those incentives change a little bit in baseball so both sides can make make have more options for for who they can sign who they can.
16:33 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think the sales pitch for Seattle has changed now that you and within the last calendar year have Cal Rally signing the extension
16:46 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That I think is a big, big deal because, you know, one of the big things is like it's hard to hit here.
16:53 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So guys, who want to take, for example, bridge deals that are becoming more popular.
16:57 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw a pedolonso take one last year back with a mess and we saw Alphsburg when taking one with the red socks, we saw a Blake's kneltu with San Francisco, the year before, like where you have optouts after every single year.
17:10 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to re-coup value, if you're trying to go out and have a good, another platform here so you can go to frequency again.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You're a hitter.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to Seattle because it's just, there's something about it, especially right handed hitters struggle.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: There's strikeouts go up.
17:23 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not a very good place.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't count on having a breakout year again there.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Kal Nau was standing.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a tough place.
17:32 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So that makes it hard to make that decision when you're like,
17:35 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: all of that and then like air we're going to be how good are we going to be?
17:38 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to win the division?
17:39 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But now we see these two guys are locked in.
17:43 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We see Julio locked in for the for the next decade like their course there they're they're they give the feeling that we have.
17:50 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: We are where we want to be.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a crew that can win a lot.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We're ready to go.
17:55 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So now people possibly might be open to doing that trade up, being like, maybe it's still worth it to go there, even if I'm trying to do a bridge here.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe more of that stuff will happen.
18:06 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And those guys are more affordable in the short term as well.
18:09 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe those options will happen.
18:11 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's becoming more of an enticing place to go.
18:14 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And it
18:15 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, unanimously, almost across everyone I talk to coming play in here as a visitor.
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: People love coming up here and playing.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They really do.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a cool place.
18:24 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: There's great food around like it's a cool place to live and it's really nice in the summer.
18:28 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So most people don't have a problem with any of those things because the rain has an issue during the baseball season more or less.
18:38 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of the downsides living here don't really show up.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was already there.
18:43 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Now now they're winning and now they're winning and there you can be successful any type of hitter player you are.
18:49 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean now that's kind of a no-brainer if they're willing to get close to your number.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day that's that's all that's really left.
18:58 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they're going to keep this momentum going of trying to attract players to Seattle and getting more guys into T-Mobile Park, well, it's good they get this winner.
19:05 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: In your mind, what do they still need to do to help put this team either back to where they got to last year or take them over the top?
19:12 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, the right center or sorry, third base, third base is going to be another like where we go in there.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: What are we going to do?
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to bet on Williamson?
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to try to get pop?
19:25 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a guy out there that can move the third base?
19:27 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we move things around here?
19:29 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That feels like something that they're going to look at doing.
19:34 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, see what happens with Palomco and then second base, like if they can fill
19:42 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: honestly, just go with something and commit to it and get some production out of those spots.
19:47 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I'm hoping Hulio has a first half that matches his second half this next year.
19:54 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're still running Randy and we're going to still run the same outfield, right?
20:00 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So those are kind of the two spots.
20:02 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: you pretty much covered everywhere else and you know the other big thing that they don't I don't think they necessarily need but they have the capital to do is something like a tarry scoob will trade but if you if you want to go that route you might have to compete with like the mats because
20:19 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_02]: They need starting pitching two and then eight top one hundred prospects.
20:23 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So But they have big league talent.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They can they can throw over there.
20:28 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's something there But there's not a lot.
20:30 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's a lot of big Upgrades they can go get in a lot of spots outside of those two second base and and third Okay, so let me follow up on that before we change gears a little bit here.
20:42 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you buy this tarry scuba smoke?
20:44 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you buy that a trade could really happen?
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I buy it?
20:48 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do because I think that the Tiger should think about that.
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one more year.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He is just one back-to-back tie-ungs.
20:56 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like that's just not a that's just not an opportunity that comes along very often, especially if, you know, you are you are just missing that game one guy or he's a guy.
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You can just take you to the next level.
21:09 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially if you feel like your core of your big league team is is pretty solid You know, and hedging if you're worried about like giving away some of your prospects because because guys get hurt and you might lose some of your guys And be like you're probably Fairly screwed either way if we have for teams getting hurt.
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just very hard to continue to be really really good that happens.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So either way
21:30 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: you know the replacements are usually not as good as the guys you had even if they're prosperous or not generally so I know a lot of teams do that and use that as an explanation for why they don't go get guys but you know the windows aren't very big they're usually two years and I'll be honest this core pitch starting pitchers is going to kind of break up.
21:52 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Fairly soon, and that's a couple of years, like they're all getting the all of enough experience.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have for agency start to go and or guys get older.
22:00 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So like you got to go for it again in the next year or two.
22:04 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're only going to get them for a year, which just prospect capital and you don't anticipate having to spend a much money in for agency.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Go for it.
22:13 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Mariners would ruin their future if if that didn't work out.
22:18 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's, it's, again, it's a picture.
22:21 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It gets hurt then it's, you know, then it looks really, really bad, but um, it depends on what you give up form.
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's possible though, um, in terms of Mariners or another team.
22:29 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there are other teams that just getting a front line guy like this, like the Matt's, for example, they wouldn't got him.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They could extend him though.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the difference.
22:37 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.
22:38 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
22:38 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it's all
22:42 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: what would explain the Mariners pitching regression last year besides injury like that's the easy one to point to what are some other baseball things that would lead to a rotation that was as good as it was in 2024 not being as good in 25 and what they need to essentially reverse in 26 to make that impact with or without terrible yeah I mean a lot of it has you have to factor in the
23:11 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just not, that's like lock two times 10, like you just not going to see that season very often in the best of years.
23:18 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's as bad as good as it possibly can get and there they're simply to expect that to happen again was wishful thinking it's baseball.
23:28 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the guys who came back just were struggling with some nagging stuff.
23:34 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: For example, Bryce Miller really really struggled for a while before he decided to go on the aisle.
23:38 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He had three or four bad outings before he was like, ah, it doesn't feel good and I can't kid anybody out.
23:43 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he spent the rest of the year when he did get back trying to correct those those statistics same in George Kirby.
23:49 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They were both throwing really well at the end of the year.
23:51 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's about when you're throwing well.
23:52 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just about staying healthy and and they might be able to do it because they didn't throw as many innings last year It's a lot of times it's a cycle like that like you have a down year You don't throw as much next year you fix it.
24:04 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You do it again, and then rinse repeat and then next year something else happens and that it's best you can hope for.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I think these guys are all at least stuffwise.
24:12 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all the same.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing's diminished at all.
24:14 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It just comes down to staying on the field and having Gilbert, having Kirby and having Miller all bow down for for lengthy periods of time during the year was was one of the big reasons that they they regressed.
24:26 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Though they were still very good and I think that with the exciting you any circumstances, that was probably the best you could ask for.
24:33 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But if they all go out and throw their 30 starts again, then I anticipate it being much closer to
24:40 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: next year.
24:43 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're about a year out from this and you are an expert on this stuff.
24:47 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You're very involved with this stuff.
24:48 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You're passionate about this stuff.
24:49 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I know it's not anybody's favorite topic, but it's probably important to keep everybody informed on what is about 12 months from the end of this CBA in a potential lockout looming.
25:00 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you feel like everything stands as we sit right now?
25:05 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think it's just a looming threat because the conversations haven't started.
25:09 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They won't start till the season and that's when like there will be arguments put out, um, you know, uh, I'm sure Rob has a run man for that as a commissioner has a kind of a calendar map map doubt kind of like when we want to push some things, talk some things and try to attach conversations around TV deals and things to the idea that this isn't working.
25:32 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
25:33 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is normal, right?
25:34 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a plan, you have a way that you're going to make your arguments and try to get the public on your side, and then the PA then refutes it because at the end of the day, this cycle around the changes, most of the big changes are going to be put out there by the league, the league once changes, and it's not always like that, so sometimes the players are like, hey, this is not working, we need to make some changes.
25:58 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But that hasn't that hasn't been the case in any of the sports in the last like 15 years.
26:03 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's usually engaged by the ownership groups that are represented by the commissioners.
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is kind of why we only see lockouts now.
26:11 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be that way.
26:13 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And the players aren't going to really, they're going to spend a lot of time reacting as opposed to being proactive on some stuff because
26:20 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: For more or less players feel like they've gotten some of the things they were worried about before like manipulating set of rest time with all the options and like the getting people paid a little bit more has been somewhat alleviated by some of the things they got last year even though or last time even though it wasn't maybe as much like the pre-arb bonus pool and such but now it exists and now there's the changes to the draft and things that have made
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: really address the problem enough.
26:50 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_02]: There are progress.
26:51 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So the players are happy with some of the progress and the trade-offs.
26:57 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It just comes down to like now we look at, we look at the owners, what are they saying?
27:01 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_02]: What do they want?
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: What do they say the problem is?
27:03 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to determine whether or not one.
27:05 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You believe that that's
27:07 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: truly what they believe the problem is there's a trying to fix or if it's something else which it often is and and then you try to propose read between the lines and propose things that try to get everyone what they close to what they want so that we can avoid missing games and I think everyone's on the same page there but as we've seen that the ownership group is not going to be afraid to loop misgames um there's there's a lot of things I think they want this time around that that they want changed that are going to be hard cells because it's going to
27:36 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's get by we're going to have to just wait and see and tell at least until spring training starts and some of these conversations start to become public again because it will start getting leaked out there so that we can get the takes of the public and they can see which ways the winds are blowing.
27:51 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: are we going to see a flurry of extensions whether it be the mariners because the mariners certainly have a lot of guys they need to extend or other teams in baseball for guys trying to get their money before something like this like a giant unknown a change to salary a change to service time comes into play
28:08 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it'll be a little bit of both.
28:10 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be a little bit of wait and see two from teams.
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we don't know how this going to change.
28:14 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to lock ourselves in something that we can, that then we don't have to do for later.
28:19 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say there's going to be a lot of adversion to risk here.
28:23 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's a theory of mine and to be honest, I'm just kind of connecting some dots here, but like the reason that four qualifying offers were taken when they're
28:33 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_02]: was because it was all three guys or all four guys that did it probably weren't projected to sign longer than three or four year deals.
28:41 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And so hedging against losing one of those years, for example, Brandon Woodruff.
28:47 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's heard a lot.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably not going to sign more than the three year deal at a high A.V.
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, or 20-ish, say, he's like, I'll take the 22 that's guaranteed.
28:55 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Just in case I signed a three for 60 in that middle years, missed, right?
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_02]: million dollars.
29:04 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that was kind of the trade-off happening.
29:07 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are like, I don't, I'm not confident my ability to get a long, long-term deal to where that year missed.
29:12 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's missed, worst case scenario that won't hurt me really badly.
29:16 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to take the guarantee here and then just see out plays out and bet on myself.
29:21 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's I think why we saw a few more of those in my opinion.
29:23 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the guys who, but the guys who are confident they can sign a seven eight year deal now, they're like, well, I'll just going to do it because that year doesn't matter as much, let's see.
29:34 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go test it.
29:35 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's use this example, Logan Gilbert, Lone, I've talked about this all the time.
29:38 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Logan Gilbert's clock lines up where he would be a free agent the year after.
29:43 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A hypothetical lockout, if that were to come, but it doesn't leave him.
29:48 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He leaves the risk if he doesn't sign pre-lockout that he might have to sign if, let's say baseball misses, X amount of games and X amount of revenue and the Mariners say,
30:02 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sorry, since since we missed all these games, the money just isn't there, so if you want to sign here, you have to sign in a discounted price.
30:09 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, Logan Gilbert comes to them now and is like, look, we can make this work for everybody.
30:15 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:15 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:15 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and again, it comes down to like, what is, what is the length of that discussion, or what is the length of that extension?
30:22 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Look like, and how far past a potential missing of games.
30:26 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: that year where it won't matter as much, that's kind of, those conversations will happen, there will be guys trying to have that saved in it for sure.
30:32 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_02]: These conversations are definitely going to happen, but it's going to be interesting to see how each team handles it because they're just kind of like after the COVID year, it's kind of like after the luck out here last time.
30:42 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_02]: After COVID, there was not for relievers.
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I was afraid.
30:46 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going through it.
30:46 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, there's just not anything more than two your deals out there.
30:49 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't exist.
30:50 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't know what's happening to happen.
30:51 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And so getting it to your deal was kind of the big thumbs up.
30:55 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it relievers were back to getting the three force.
30:59 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted the three or four.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't out there.
31:02 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Only one guy got more than two.
31:03 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Liam Hendrix, who was the best closer at that point.
31:07 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, that's just the way it's been for, there's been something every couple years, we're just going out to see it again, we'll see how it works, but I wouldn't, I think you're on to something with the like teams extending the guys to have.
31:21 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That might happen more than any other type of deal.
31:25 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The last one I've got for you is, for anybody that either isn't familiar with the situation or needs to re-familiarize themselves with this, you know what would happen.
31:34 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But over the summer Rob Mampred went into the Philly's clubhouse to talk to a bunch of guys.
31:39 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And when the topic of salary cap came up with the players, Bryce Harper stood up and told him if you're going to come into our clubhouse and talk about salary cap, get the fuck out.
31:49 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a big story over the summer and then about two weeks ago there was another report that's surfaced that basically described one of Rob Manford's right-hand hand men going up to Bryce Harper after that whole thing concluded and said to him, this is how people end up in ditches when he said what he said to the commissioner baseball.
32:10 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So what's your take on that whole situation?
32:14 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know that's alleged.
32:16 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, um, and we, we, we over here, made a try to find, um, like the references to that, right?
32:23 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was, it was like agents from other sports that had heard it from another agent.
32:28 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So they, this is, you know, this is, this may or may not have happened.
32:31 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest, it doesn't really matter for days because it sounds like just a goofy,
32:36 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: at worst a goofy like power move for someone who thinks they're like they have a bunch of power which is super super cringy in my opinion or it's just like someone misheard or like it was a joke and someone like oh oh and like ran with it before they got the context because we had also uh j-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be in that work.
33:00 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in there too, and he made a joke and people got mad at him that same day About like don't mess with a commissioner like this.
33:07 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So like it feels like it's the same thing, but he was kidding I Mean I think it was I think it's overblown and at worst it's just some some dark being a dark
33:19 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And but I'll be honest I anecdotally there has been jokes made or or or you know some some I've heard stories from from people in the media and stuff where some other loot tenants in the front office or not for an office in the commission's office have said things adjacent to this like
33:41 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: like I'll see how that works like like as if they're gonna do something about I don't know it's it's it's a pattern behavior it's just goofy I don't think it matters uh and uh very clearly no one's going to murder Bryce Harper because someone will notice and that's kind of the point of the ditch is that like you can get away with it I don't think you're gonna be in a way with uh getting rid of Bryce Harper
34:03 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: you Trevor this has been awesome.
34:07 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to have you on more and more as we get closer to the impending lock out coming out next off season.
34:13 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We very much value our opinion of your opinion on this subject.
34:16 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So this has been awesome awesome to catch up your value guests of this podcast and we thank you for joining us.
34:23 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me on guys any time.
34:26 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, shout out to Trevor, he was awesome as always.
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35:10 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would say that just about wrapped things, wraps things up for the week.
35:14 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, like we've tried to remind people of this week, we're not going to do a Friday episode with it being full Thanksgiving weekend with it being black Friday with people certainly having a bunch of plans on their schedule over the next few days and we'll be not working.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not working exactly.
35:29 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: People will have to drive to work and listen to the two of us in their ears every day when they're sitting in their car.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you do, we still really appreciate it.
35:36 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I will say this if Jared Apoto is a true sicko and makes a thanksgiving day trade Then yes, we will be doing a podcast promise.
35:45 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
35:46 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if he trades for some back and low leverage reliever, I think that can wait till Monday.
35:54 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if he goes and trades for Terrix, Google in the next couple of days, oh, we'll be hopping on.
36:00 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If he goes and signs Kyle Tucker in the next couple of days, we will be hopping on.
36:04 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So if there is a significant move made, yes, we will hop on and talk about it.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And those are obviously two extremes.
36:10 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If Jorge Polanco's signed in the next couple of days, we will hop on and talk about it.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless something substantial happens, we'll be off until Monday and everybody can just enjoy the long weekend.
36:21 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, how do you think you're Thanksgiving dinner is going to be, Doug?
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not even having a real Thanksgiving.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You're just sitting in Hawaii.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even think we're eating Thanksgiving food.
36:29 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me make a prediction.
36:31 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I do have a pretty strong prediction.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I will not be eating any cranberry sauce.
36:34 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not only because I don't like cranberry sauce and it's vile and disgusting and it's gross.
36:39 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's sad.
36:40 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be on the menu, which is a double win.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: that's what I call hashtag sad.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're eating Hawaiian food for Thanksgiving.
36:48 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't been married to Hawaiian food as a family, which has been no, very, which I honestly am a big fan of.
36:55 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean married to Thanksgiving?
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You just said married to Hawaiian food.
36:58 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: or married to Thanksgiving food on Thanksgiving.
37:01 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't always eaten Thanksgiving food on Thanksgiving.
37:04 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Which again, here's my hot take, or maybe it's not a hot take.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my take on Thanksgiving food.
37:09 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very good, and if I eat it every year, I'm totally fine.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we eat something else, I'm not going to complain.
37:17 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if someone ordered me a bunch of pizza on Thanksgiving and I was just sitting at the sitting down watching football and eating pizza on Thanksgiving, I would also be very thankful.
37:27 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Hashtag thankful.
37:30 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not that hot of a take.
37:32 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All you said is if you have to eat something else on Thanksgiving, you're not going to like lose sleep.
37:36 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not crazy.
37:37 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure other people would rather just eat Thanksgiving food.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would.
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You do it once a year.
37:42 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you do it all the time.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not eating this type of stuff in June.
37:46 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The best part about Thanksgiving is the ability to have so many people cook and bring so many different things.
37:52 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have like little differences in your spread every year that you can try some new things along with that things you already like.
38:00 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, I'll tell you, we just haven't sat down and cooked that many Thanksgiving meals where people are bringing stuff.
38:06 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The last.
38:07 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: eight nine years since since we got to college.
38:10 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's been nice to be able to explore a little bit and I'll tell you what the sunshine makes it easy to stomach too and it's 75 degrees with a nice warm breeze in my face and peanut collada in my hand and now makes it a little bit easier.
38:28 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it balance out the fact that you still have no phone?
38:32 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough.
38:35 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what.
38:37 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: People would say your generation so spoiled.
38:41 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys can't live without your phone.
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You're addicted.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's rotting.
38:46 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Give it up.
38:47 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I'd say?
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You're totally fucking right.
38:51 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally right.
38:52 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dying over here and on top of that, you know, loud I have a business to run and half the fucking business is taking my phone and posting her content online and I can't do that.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't check anything.
39:06 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If...
39:06 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say there's going to be some time this week where me and my family will go on a hike into the mountains probably here in Kauai It's going to be rain foresty.
39:16 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be maybe there will be service.
39:18 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there won't be But regardless it'd be nice to have my phone and say Jerry to photo trades for Katell Marta Like you traded away Katell Marta the first time during Thanksgiving week.
39:28 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he trades for him back during Thanksgiving week as well and guess what?
39:31 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea, and I'm off the grid for four hours, and I was like TJ, TJ, they traded for Catelmar Tay.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: TJ, we have to do a podcast.
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: TJ, are you alive?
39:39 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get lost in the woods and something happened?
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_01]: How is he supposed to know?
39:45 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_01]: How am I supposed to know that they traded for Catelmar Tay?
39:48 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I look like a bad business partner and about host to all of you wonderful listeners that I have no fucking clue the Mariners made their biggest trade in 15 years.
39:58 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, isn't somebody in your family going to have a phone because your family is also all baseball fans.
40:04 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They would see it.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They would see it.
40:06 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
40:07 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But I wouldn't see it.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
40:10 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, for anybody that says Gen Z and Millennials can't live without their phones.
40:17 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, they're addicted to it.
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like TJ said.
40:20 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: one you're right to it's also different when you're in not just the world of content but baseball content when you essentially have to live on your phone not only are you posting stuff all the time but this is how you get your news as fast as humanly possible you know how we're able to turn around these podcasts really fast when news happens because we have Twitter
40:39 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And we know that these moves happen immediately.
40:42 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we post all our social media content really fast because we see the news.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we turn around podcast really fast because we see the news.
40:48 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If we lived without phones and just happened to flip on the TV once or twice a day and just happened to hopefully see on the sports center bottom line that, oh, trade goes down between Mariners and Diamondbacks as they bring back to tell Marthay.
41:04 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how we get a podcast out days late or the day after, not day of, you need your phone.
41:10 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also a lot of hidden conveniences that come with having a smartphone that you don't realize until it's gone.
41:17 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, I love looking at maps.
41:19 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I like understanding where we are, where we are, where we are, and all these like little things.
41:26 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I have no idea of since being here?
41:29 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I barely know what quiet looks like on a map.
41:32 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I could pull it up on my computer and look, but 80% of the, or 95% of the time, I can't even open a map and look where we are because guess what?
41:41 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a fucking phone to look at that kind of stuff.
41:45 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So things I just don't, you don't realize you are living with all the time until you don't have it for two weeks and while some people might say, and my parents tried to sell me on this, they're like, wouldn't it be nice to unplug and I was think, yes, sometimes definitely be nice to unplug.
42:01 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to be able to unplug by choice, not because I have to.
42:05 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good way to put it.
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, I hate unplugging.
42:10 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to be locked in.
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, sometimes I just stare at my phone too much.
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: My head hurts, and that's the biggest moment.
42:18 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's good to not think about things.
42:20 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, even something as simple as the ability to text your girlfriend back.
42:25 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just being radio-sound, like on our flight yesterday, we're flying in here.
42:31 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything went as scheduled.
42:32 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about a six-hour flight, and people understand, like, during a flight, unless you have T-Mobile, of course, you can't text on Alaska, I don't think.
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But you do have T-Mobile.
42:41 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, so it's, but I don't have a phone.
42:45 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So the computer I message does not work on the plane, but we also like sat on the tarmac for an hour and 45 minutes waiting for our gate to open yesterday.
42:54 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I can't tell anybody that I'm still like you had no idea.
42:59 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just not responding to you.
43:01 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just sitting on the tarmac watching karate kid way for them to let us out this plane for an extra almost two hours on our way in here and it's just it's like tiny things like that.
43:12 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Overall though, I will survive getting here was a lot harder than actually being here without a phone because once we have these podcasts recorded, I'll, you know, I have people to check whether or not things actually happen or not, but it is what it is.
43:29 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't imagine being in Hawaii's, exactly some terrible week, I must say.
43:35 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just liked to also have a phone while doing it.
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know, man.
43:40 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I miss my TikTok feed, that, that I definitely do.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm sure.
43:44 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, like, I'm sure Hawaii and food will be good.
43:48 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If it were me and I was in Hawaii, I'd probably still wanna eat Thanksgiving food on Thanksgiving and then you could just eat Hawaii and food like the day after.
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: fair point.
43:57 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm unsure if Quay has, they, they, they probably, that's a dumb thing.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably do.
44:05 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There, there, Quay is the, in case people are unfamiliar with the geography of Quay, Quay is the smallest of the four populated islands.
44:13 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So, not as many options, but also like, I just rather eat with the locals are good at.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love.
44:20 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Quine food is better than Thanksgiving food, so I would rather eat that.
44:24 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
44:25 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Mac Salad, Rice, Chicken Cotsu, Terracchi, Chicken.
44:28 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so good.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so good.
44:32 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like Leo's Island in Pioria.
44:35 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_01]: which is, yeah, it's what I find it's, I know, I know, but I'll save that for imagine like the the chicken mix was the mix chicken chicken plate for Thanksgiving like I would eat that for Thanksgiving.
44:50 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but what about like two days before Thanksgiving?
44:53 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have that.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What about on Thanksgiving?
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I will not be fucking deprived of eating my like two pounds of cranberry sauce.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no one is stopping you from buying cranberry
45:04 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then it like ruins the tradition of it.
45:08 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you have it on Thanksgiving and then six months after Thanksgiving?
45:11 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd be May 28th.
45:15 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: you know now that you say that that sounds like a pretty good idea maybe I will start doing that so it's your it's a your way of adding more of the things you really like for Thanksgiving but creating an holiday just for yourself actually sounds like fun holiday I got a real well I wanted to do today I bought two cans of cranberry sauce and house them both okay but let me make something very clear to people though those disgusting things of like the cranberry sauce that look like jello that's gross I'm not eating that it has to be actual
45:44 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: like fruit like an actual mix.
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the stuff that's good.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I'll be eating.
45:51 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know one thing that will be piled high on your plate or two things.
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Turkey and cranberry sauce.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I eat all of it.
45:58 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Turkey's fine.
46:00 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine enough.
46:02 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I know people sometimes say Turkey could be replaced on Thanksgiving, which I guess I'd be open-minded to that, but I don't want to be.
46:08 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But you could also knock a turkey out of the park and it's unbelievable.
46:12 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That too.
46:13 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I'm going to eat it, so yeah.
46:16 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be good.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I thought it'd be fun to do some Thanksgiving talk before everybody heads out for the Thanksgiving holiday.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully everybody enjoys it.
46:24 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully the Mariners led everybody to just enjoy their Thanksgiving holiday and are not ruining or even hyping up people's
46:30 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, mental status over the next four days until we get back from the holiday, so everybody can just relax a little bit and hopefully once we get back from the holiday, then move start getting me and things start kicking into full gear.
46:41 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And after Friday, which again, we will not have an episode.
46:43 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be totally back to normal with a bunch of episodes.
46:46 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We look forward to that.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully everybody enjoys the holiday with that.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle.
47:21 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's always weird, thank you guys for tuning in.
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