Lyle and TJ recap their long weekend away before diving into the free agent profile of Bo Bichette, if his defense would be tolerable enough to play shortstop, and what the Mariners would do with the roster if they signed him.
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01:05 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And we look new to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening November 30th.
01:15 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you to everyone hanging in there for us because for the first time ever.
01:19 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: While night skipped a podcast episode, believe it or not, I cannot believe it took us this long while.
01:25 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But like they always talk about when you start a podcast, eventually people might get lazy and you might be like, in, like I don't feel like doing an episode today, all these kinds of things.
01:35 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It took us 331 episodes to skip.
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're almost at the end of three years.
01:42 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And we decided for one day on Thanksgiving weekend with absolutely no news and people busy that all right, we'll give everybody an episode off.
01:52 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll give ourselves an episode off,
01:55 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of crazy.
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That it took that long, but it is.
01:58 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If you said that at the beginning, both of us would be very proud.
02:02 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also helped both of us run vacation.
02:05 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I was, you know, legs, legs propped up in the sun and why you might have seen it if you're watching on YouTube either the last two episodes my lighting was fantastic because the funny thing about why there's sunshine all year round.
02:19 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Unlike this stuff we deal with in the PNW in the winner where the sun doesn't come out.
02:25 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, um, Sun's out all the time in Hawaii.
02:28 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not the only thing I missed was not recording the pod from the beach.
02:34 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
02:36 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, the episode we decided to skip was when there is nothing going on.
02:42 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The winter meetings are about to start next week, and I would assume a lot of stuff is going to start to kick start there, which is usually when it does.
02:48 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But like we said, had the Mariners made a move.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We would have hopped on and recorded if it was during Thanksgiving weekend.
02:55 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But not only is there no moves being made.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not even a rumor mill out there.
03:00 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we were talking about what's the biggest rumor in the last week.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There isn't one.
03:05 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest news of Marinersland at this point is local Mariners podcaster still doesn't have its phone, and that's you.
03:11 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But it has been a disaster.
03:14 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It truly is.
03:15 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad there was no big trade that went down, and I was just completely oblivious to it happening.
03:20 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you said other people would be informing me, but I like to be in control of my information.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Not have it fed through other people.
03:27 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone, my brother.
03:29 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Could could sit there and tell me they traded for Katel Marta for 30 minutes and then you like, oh, sorry I don't have any service only didn't tell me that the Mariners didn't actually trade for Katel Marta That could have happened And you wouldn't have been able to call cap or AI no check for this idea
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is getting fixed.
03:51 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The morning this podcast comes out.
03:53 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank goodness.
03:54 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone in the comments who said, T. Come on, TJ.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Look up from your phone and enjoy vacation.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
04:00 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I did, because I had nothing else to look at.
04:03 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So I enjoyed my vacation, but now that I'm back home, it's winter, it's gray, it's either raining or snowing, it's cold, and it's the off season.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm getting my phone back.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Now.
04:15 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But originally started out as supposedly being two to three days is turning into two weeks, two weeks, long weeks, long weeks.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I did it as a kid.
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just oblivious.
04:29 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people really must enjoy.
04:30 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It must be such a peaceful life without it.
04:32 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Just, my biggest takeaway, it's, you just get to think.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
04:41 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to deal with Twitter trolls hopping in your comments and trying to rally up.
04:46 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
04:46 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to read any of our Instagram DMs, I believe that all to lie.
04:50 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I didn't realize it was Cal Rally's birthday until well after the fact, just imagine not knowing anything, like it's, it's so peaceful.
05:00 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why I understand people had the newspaper.
05:05 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: As a 27 year old, it clicks now.
05:09 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: and I'll tell you what, when it was only the days of people reading the newspaper, I'll tell you what was not in the news.
05:15 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer leaves cryptic comment on Cal Raleigh's Instagram is Josh Nailer headed out the door and Seattle.
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they write about that in the times?
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they did.
05:25 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it was talked about on social media and I'll tell you on Brock and Soak.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the talking points that day.
05:34 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: should have been headline news in the should have been front page one A of the sale times.
05:38 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, why don't you take that up with our friends, Ryan Davis and Adam Jewen, let them know.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll see them both at the winter meetings next week.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So sure.
05:46 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll we'll be all in on that.
05:48 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's an update on what our schedule will be now that we're back from vacation.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And we are locked and loaded for the next couple of weeks.
05:55 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What should be very fun, very informative, and hopefully there are some moves that happen.
06:00 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So today, we're going to profile a free agent.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about Boba Shet Wednesday.
06:05 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We're also going to profile a free agent, not sure who yet.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Friday, mail back.
06:10 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Those will all be on schedule.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The next Monday's episode, a week from now.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Low now will be in Florida at the winter meetings.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be recording podcast from the winter meetings.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Could there be some information on there?
06:24 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Could there be a move happening?
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Could there be some rumors?
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
06:30 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So every reason possible to listen to next Monday's episode, we will also have an episode from the winter meetings.
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Next Wednesday as well.
06:38 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'll have those to look forward to and then we'll be back at home for a more winter meetings wrap after the fact a week from this upcoming Friday.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So it should be fun.
06:48 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We're kicking it into action a little bit.
06:50 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This will hopefully be the start of the real rumor mill of the off season.
06:55 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We've gotten Josh Nailer now.
06:57 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Meredith of a dress their biggest need now it's time to stir some things up now it's time to get the train rolling on some ideas.
07:07 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I've already decided I'm thinking about it here a real time so I'm laying you know a real time I'm laying everybody listening to the podcast no in real time.
07:14 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: On Thursday morning when we're at the airport getting ready to travel to Florida because we're going to a couple days early to see one of our friends for a few days before the winter meetings.
07:22 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But we get to the airport on Thursday.
07:25 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be planning to post a video of me slash with two of us walking.
07:30 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Saying, well, we're walking through sea tack, headed to the winter meetings, getting ready to go to our gate and look at who we spotted and sea tack airport.
07:37 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm just gonna cut to that photo.
07:39 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We made a Kyle Tucker in a Mariners jersey.
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Just sitting at sea tack.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be so relaxed.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we actually saw him?
07:48 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I would lose my shit in real time at the airport.
07:52 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Mine games 101 by the Mariners.
07:54 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going to Florida.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when you fly Kyle Tucker to see out.
07:59 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Little did they know they'd be running them on a flight where he craws his paths with his biggest fanboys in the Pacific Northwest and all hell breaks loose online.
08:09 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: What have we see Kyle Tucker at the winter meetings?
08:14 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm going to plant one of those, what did Elliot do in ET to find ET?
08:20 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He put all those racist pieces on the ground to try and leave a trail of breadcrumbs to find them.
08:26 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm going to do with Kyle Tucker except it's going to lead straight into the mariner's suite for a meeting.
08:30 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's going to be like, you guys ain't coming out until you settle all your differences and work out a deal.
08:35 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Lock the door.
08:36 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Longer right behind him.
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
08:39 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, at least if we're all there at the same time, then we can put our sales pitch in a K-talk.
08:45 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
08:45 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do that as he's walking into their suite.
08:48 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
08:49 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I didn't realize until I looked, I think, last week.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's at Disney World.
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be at Disney World.
08:55 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of.
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The actual event is not at Disney World.
08:59 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's at one of the nice marriots in Orlando, but it is near Disney World.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big complex.
09:05 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We're right next to Epcot, which is my favorite.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a real part.
09:08 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I remember a lot of people talking about who have been at the winter meetings in Orlando in the past that they used to host it at this Swan and Dolphin Resort.
09:17 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They called in in Orlando and I know people hated that one because that's definitely a part of Disney World None more so than Ryan Davis from just what I've heard from people over the years as he despies that hotel
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: However, it's not back at that resort this year.
09:29 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that one of the nice marriots.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He can give us the rundown.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Kim, curious to see.
09:34 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We're now in the process of seeing all the winter meetings resorts for ourselves.
09:38 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So then we can officially do a tier list once we've been to all of them.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I want a prediction for what's number one, though.
09:45 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've been there.
09:47 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to just start a tier list after
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: this year because we can do three of them.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We can just rank them.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: San Diego's number one.
09:55 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:56 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Then there's as Belly being put at 50 feet of crap and then there's the other two.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even need to go to Orlando.
10:02 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we can rank it more and done.
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there only a handful of locations?
10:06 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like because they do, it's always somewhere warm and they do San Diego, they do Orlando.
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Vegas, Orlando, Nashville, Dallas.
10:14 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Are those the only five they do?
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They should do in Scottsdale.
10:18 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But they usually don't, no.
10:22 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so is it only five that they do?
10:24 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There might be more, but those are the five that come to mind off the top my head.
10:29 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:30 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: San Diego is by far the best one.
10:33 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: by far.
10:34 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
10:34 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:36 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
10:37 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's near food and it's close to things.
10:41 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The other ones are not really.
10:43 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Vegas is, just let Divis tell you about, oh yeah, just let Divis tell you about his 4am nights at Taco Bell Cantina when in Vegas at the Winter Meetings.
10:54 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I will go to Vegas if they twist my arm and it's close for us, which is
10:58 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: just refreshing given that we for the two winter meetings we've done as a podcast we've gone to Dallas and Orlando so Vegas sounds pretty great much shorter flight I actually don't love Vegas but for the winter meetings in Vegas I'm sure you get some funny stories out of it so it's survivable so yeah anyways are we ready to get into this free agent profile yeah let's talk about Bobo's chat
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So Boba Shet is a free agent, this offseason.
11:26 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners just watched his team torment the Mariners and an excruciating 7 game series to make it to the world series.
11:35 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Boba Shet performed very well in the playoffs, the entire country, the entire country of Canada, got a great look at Boba Shet, had a 9-23 OPS in the playoffs, had a down year
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Walk here.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: People were worried.
11:52 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He was hurt.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in and out of the lineup.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a 70 WRC plus.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But in his walk here, this past season, he dominated.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, 131 WRC, 134 WRC plus, best mark of his career.
12:06 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: 3, 3, 11, 3, 57, 43 slash line, best overall slash of his career as well.
12:13 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He showed up.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: when he was ready to get paid.
12:17 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is arguably the best offensive season of Bobushet's career, and it's gonna earn him a pretty handsome payday.
12:23 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: One, I'm not sure the Mariners are gonna pay, but we'll talk about all this news again into that.
12:28 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobushet is a very good baseball player, and his bat is what is gonna make him all this money.
12:32 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: is it fair to say now that injuries probably are the full reason for his down twenty twenty four because it's side from that year he is just flat out hit at a border line elite level every season and it's the same type of offense it's not a variable offensive profile you know boba shit it's going to swing a lot it's going to hit the ball really hard it's not going to strike out
12:52 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be nearly bleeding hits.
12:55 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But unlike Louis Sarais, Boba shit hits for power.
12:58 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have crazy home run power.
13:00 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: His powers anywhere from 20 to 25 home runs, roughly.
13:04 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's going to double.
13:06 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to slug nearly 500, 450 to 500.
13:09 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And like he showed it.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And like the biggest stage he's had in his entire career.
13:16 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He showed up any performed while hurt, by the way.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he was ready to be a free agent.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He very well could have just been like,
13:25 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry guys, I'm do a big payday.
13:27 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna risk tearing my hamstring off the bone and risking my payday.
13:33 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he just went and performed and nearly won his team of world series with an epic game seven Homer.
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like there's things you can take away from that.
13:41 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Big time performer, consistent offensively, and he's a bulldog.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He's up there to play, even when he's not feeling great.
13:51 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you just want to talk about something as simple as hits, and oftentimes we'll dig in a numbers that are a lot deeper than that, simply getting a hit.
13:59 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What Boba Shets done in four of the last five years?
14:02 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty remarkable.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This year you finished tied for second and the league in hits.
14:06 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He punished just three behind Bobby with junior.
14:08 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, 24 he was injured, but in 2023 he finished tied for ninth.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2022 he finished third, and in 2021 he finished second.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want hits, if you want guys that are going to get hits,
14:20 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Boba Schatz is going to do that for the basically the most basic metric you could look at for any hitter hits, Boba Schatz at the top of the way you get over here.
14:32 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So the offense is great.
14:34 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's consistent.
14:34 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this kind of offense would work well in team mobile park.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You pose this question to me before we start a recording.
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this a philosophical fit in the mirror's lineup?
14:44 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I told you not really, but I don't think that matters because if you put bobbishet in this mirror's lineup, the mirror's lineup gets better.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The offense is not the problem with bobbishet.
14:57 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't really a conversation,
15:00 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: if we're just talking about offense, right?
15:03 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You're taking one of the five best offensive middle and fielders, a major league baseball and putting them on the Mariners who get solid up the middle production from their infielders, but it's not a 134 WRC plus.
15:19 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I explain what I mean by philosophical fit?
15:22 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I mean by philosophical fit is we've talked about this with Boba Shet in the past and we can highlight it here again.
15:28 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: When I think of free swingers in baseball, specifically on the first pitch, there are usually three guys that really come to mind.
15:34 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to pick a fourth to fill this Mount Rushmore, you can drop it in the comments who you think the fourth guy would be.
15:40 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are three guys these days who I really think about going after the first pitch and going up there to hack early in counts.
15:46 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Julio, it's Cory Seager,
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's boba shit.
15:51 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's already at the top of your lineup and had a great year.
15:54 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He finished top 10 and MVP voting again.
15:57 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He had his best offensive season by many accounts.
16:01 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know he's a free swinger.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You know they're swinging miss and his game.
16:04 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know he can chase.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're the Mariners,
16:09 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay with?
16:11 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're going to provide a counter to this in a second.
16:13 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay with two absolute free swingers sitting at the top of your lineup on the regular?
16:19 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because while those guys for most of the year probably just going to spit out borderline elite offensive seasons, both of them.
16:26 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be times where you want to get a starters pitch count up early and there's going to be games where
16:34 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Two pitches into a hunter-brown outing, he's got two outs because Julio and Boba Shet went after the first pitch and both got out.
16:41 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible.
16:44 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But what if the other result is the Mariners facing Ernie Clement in the playoffs?
16:51 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ernie Clement stuck it to him all poses and stuck it to everybody.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And what did Ernie Clement do better than anybody?
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Was he a big first pitch guy?
17:02 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Huge.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And he would get the first pitch and he would crush it.
17:07 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he would hit it down the line, hit it in the gap.
17:10 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is what Ernie Clement did so well.
17:13 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like Boba Shets up their swinging and not doing damage on the first pitch.
17:18 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a 964 OPS on the first pitch.
17:21 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This is almost like a football comparison, right?
17:26 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The first pitch is
17:29 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: more likely than not the best pitch you're going to see outside of a three one count because a lot of pitchers no the best thing to do in any count is to get a one the biggest swing you can have an app at is a difference between one and a excuse me you're hanging one and no I'm fine one and no and one so hitters know if this pitcher wants his best advantage possible he's going to throw me a strike
17:56 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, this is like the one count, the one count I know I'm more likely than not getting a strike.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a better approach for some guys who like it to swing at it.
18:11 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to the Seahawk game today, watching it on TV.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you can draw a comparison to passing on first down.
18:18 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not because running is cannot be effective on first down, because running can be effective on first down.
18:25 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have a good matchup with your offensive line versus the other team's defensive line.
18:30 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But as Greg Olsen says, the goal of football is to stay out of third down.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And the best way to do that is to pass on first down and be efficient.
18:37 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The best way to not get out in baseball is to not be in a two strike count.
18:42 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And the best way to do that is to swing at the first pitch.
18:45 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I making a solid argument here?
18:47 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying walking and having a lot of pitches in your right bat is a bad strategy.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But.
18:56 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: you can also turn it around and say, look, if you ever want to point in your at bat where you feel like you're in total control, because only you know you're going to swing, like the first pitch is going to be that pitch.
19:09 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
19:10 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that checks out.
19:11 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're Julio and Boba Patton, you're just going to put up an 850 plus OPS or an 800 plus OPS.
19:17 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And sure, who's going to tell you otherwise?
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the Mariners.
19:20 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, the Mariners have started to deviate away from this a little bit more over the last couple of years about being so set in their ways and are willing to bring another guys.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, trading for Gino with the deadline.
19:31 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in a lot of ways goes away from what they believe.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And they traded Gino the first time because they were trying to cut down on strikeouts.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't work.
19:40 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They brought Gino back in and said, okay, his profile has Hills and Values, but we're gonna bank on the goods and hope he displays a lot of what the positive Gino's war is is once he gets back to Seattle.
19:52 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, obviously he struggled for a bit, but, and you know, it wasn't perfect while Gino was back, but it's that idea.
19:57 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be this idea by acquiring Boba Shatt, where you say, okay, instead of having to be so set in our ways of getting a hit or that fits our philosophy,
20:06 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: just get the guys in here that are the best players and let them work.
20:10 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Baldi shout would be doing.
20:12 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a bad thing to have different philosophies in your lineup?
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
20:17 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if you have a bunch of the same guys in your lineup, it makes you really easy to pitch to.
20:23 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'd say at the end of the season, this year, the Mariners had some similar profiles in their lineup.
20:29 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And,
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: that either help them or hurt them for the most part.
20:34 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But Boba Shet, like it's, I wouldn't take his profile as a negative.
20:40 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The concern with his profile, you would think, is does that age well when his bat speed slows down?
20:47 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be able to swing at the rate he does?
20:49 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Because what he does works is because when he does swing he does damage.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What happens when he does less damage and he's not providing value by getting on base?
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that going to be worth the money you're going to be paying him?
21:02 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the contract he's going to get is going to start with seven years, which will run him to his age 34 season, most likely he's going to get a seven year deal.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be 28 next year.
21:13 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was going to say he's a pretty young free agent.
21:15 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's no guarantee that his Batsby would just go by 35 because he's heading free agency in his mid to late 20s.
21:22 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This could be one of those contracts that even if it's decently long, it can work out.
21:27 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: to be fair, Boba Shed is not a guy who has thrived with elite bat speeds.
21:32 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: His bat speed this year is 12% tile.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: A pretty consistent way to be a good hitter, has a good bat speed.
21:39 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It allows you so many more things.
21:42 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And Boba Shed has managed to be very productive offensively without elite bat speed.
21:47 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: how much that could drop off as he ages.
21:49 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
21:50 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, that's a question I'm asking, and that's the question the Mariners have to answer when they're getting ready to pay somebody minimum $170 million over seven years.
22:01 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and to your point about having different approaches, I mean, first off, that's all true, but back to your point about it's not about thing to have different approaches in a lineup.
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners still strike out a lot.
22:13 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All these years, we saw it in 22, we saw it in 23, we saw it in 24, we saw it in 25.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners just seem to strike out.
22:20 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you're going to build a core around Calon Julio, who are both incredible players, you're understanding that there's going to be strikeouts in your lineup, because those two both strike out.
22:30 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: but Bozill a different because even despite Bo not being exactly of the dominate the zone mold and cut from that cloth he doesn't strike out he puts the ball in play he gets a bunch of hits sure he chases a decent amount then he'll swing it pitches off the plate but when it comes down to it he's a great offensive player who doesn't swing a miss a lot who gets on base at plenty enough even despite the walks
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think about these contracts that he's projected?
23:07 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little fuzzy here, doesn't it?
23:09 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we just spent a few minutes here talking about all the good of his offense.
23:13 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Problem is there's two sides through a game baseball.
23:15 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And when Boba Shep puts down the bat, takes off his helmet, and now puts on his glove, this is where a lot of people are probably going to get cold feet.
23:24 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because right now, I was going to say he is projected right now to get about $200 million in free agency.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: His defense, everyone knows his bad.
23:35 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it when this idea got floated to us in a mailbag.
23:39 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Him and JP Crawford, this past season by Alts above average, were the second and third worst defenders in baseball.
23:45 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And those would be two guys, especially if you're committing that kind of money to boba shit, would be your most likely two middle and fielders.
23:54 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And would you want the guys feeling the highest volume of ground balls to be by what
24:02 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a question the mayor doesn't need to answer.
24:04 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also something you need to consider when the contracts that will be handed out to the contract that will be handed out to povushet will be something in the range from William Domus to Havi Bias.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The William Domus when I thought was almost perfect of a comparison for this, because William Domus was also a young free agent.
24:25 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on a contract for seven years and $182 million, makes about $26 million a year.
24:32 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Another, I think, solid comparison is Havi Bias.
24:36 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Havi Bias is on a six year deal for $140 million, $203 AAV, which is exactly what SpotTrack is projecting Boba Shet right now.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in terms of the,
24:50 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Not one tool, but one side of the ball is definitely better than the other one.
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan's B. Swanson's a pretty good one too.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on a seven year 177 million dollar contract.
25:00 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan's B. Swanson's about a league average hitter and a very, very, very good defender.
25:06 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So it gets flipped a little bit.
25:08 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You could put a Domus in that boat too, where, look, a Domus is a good hitter, but he is known and has been known more throughout his career for his defense rather than his bat.
25:16 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Except for his walkier, where he very oddly forgot how to play defense almost, but then just hit the crap out of the ball.
25:23 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Same idea, a Domus, while he, at his best, is a good offensive player.
25:28 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He is more defense first, where that's almost the antithesis above the shed, or two-year point, Dan's B. Swanson, kind of the antithesis above the shed.
25:35 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Wherever the shed is going to be all offense, and he's not going to play a lot of defense.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it gets slightly better if he moves to second base and moves off the sixth spot.
25:43 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But the book out on Boba's shed by this point is his defense is lackluster.
25:50 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He showed us in the playoffs for at least the world series who's willing to play second base.
25:55 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, though, in free agency, he's going to, he's going to walk up to a team and they're going to say, yeah, you're not playing shortstop and then he's going to be like, well, how much money are you offering me?
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 182 million dollars?
26:07 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm playing shortstop.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what, what are you going to do?
26:10 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I have this leverage of being signed to this contract.
26:14 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The only way Boba Shets not going to play shortstop.
26:17 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: at his next stop, whether that be the blue jazer somewhere else, is if all 30 teams collude and tell him he's not a short stop, which is possible, but there's also teams like the Rockies out there.
26:31 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But what competitive big league team is allowing him to play short stop.
26:35 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, him and his camp can demand short stop money, but they may take short stop money to play second days than the end, because who is in their right mind?
26:45 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Letting him man shortstop for the next seven years, when at 27 years old, he was arguably the worst defender in baseball.
26:53 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Red Sox gave Rafi Devere's $330 million to play a position he can't.
26:59 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea there was they knew eventually the defense was going to go because it was never great, eventually moved to first and then he moved to DH and you play his bat as the reason that you gave him the big money to play for a decade, with the shit in the
27:15 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: you're buying the bat.
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not buying his glove.
27:18 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You're paying him that money because you want him to hit at the top of your lineup.
27:22 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Some teams are willing to do what it like things that are probably reckless to get good players on their team and being reckless might be letting boba-shet play shortstop.
27:35 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not sign boba-shet if you were to play shortstop because while you would get better offensively, you would be hamstring yourself on defense.
27:44 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't.
27:44 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So what competitive team is going to give him that money to play short stop?
27:48 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What competitive teams need a short stop is where this comes into question.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hate to say it.
27:53 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a suggestion.
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me, let me, let me, let me ask Yankee fans.
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any listening to this?
27:57 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious.
27:59 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Next year would your rather have Anthony Volpi playing shorter boba shit?
28:04 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the gripe with Volpi is his defense, though.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
28:08 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
28:08 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just not good.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the point.
28:12 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But he still puts up value just from his defense, like he'll still put up two to three words.
28:18 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Or Boba Shet puts up value just from his bat.
28:20 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually by OAA here, Volpi was not good this past year.
28:24 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually it's like 20, 24, he was great.
28:27 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, hmm, not as good.
28:28 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the question, Yankee fans, competitive team.
28:32 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Team of the high payroll that doesn't have a problem paying guys a lot of money.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They need a short stop.
28:37 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't put him a third because Ryan McMahon's a third and they're paying him a lot of money.
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: They've jazzed Chism at second.
28:43 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Boba Shet's not playing first.
28:46 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Would the Yankees rather have Anthony Volpi at short pay less money and he sucks or pay Boba Shet.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of money he's good offensively but can't feel.
28:57 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So Volpi led the league in errors, also this past year.
29:00 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So would you rather pay the guy that leads the league in errors, but it's supposed to be a good defender.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: By defensive run saved, he was still slightly above average.
29:07 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, Volpi, even though the OAA did not display it, or do you want Boba Shet, who, sure, he might not have led the league in errors, but by actual range and defensive value it is not there.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: To commit errors, you have to get to the baseball.
29:21 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Boba Shet does not do very well.
29:23 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yanky vans don't care.
29:26 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They just want to see money be spent on a way.
29:28 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't about, okay, sorry.
29:30 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I propose that question to fans.
29:32 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about the team.
29:32 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the teams with the yanky.
29:35 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Do that and then you move Volpi to second.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, but why wouldn't you just, no, Volpi's not playing jazz chisoms at second.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Volpi's on the bench.
29:45 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or I was going to say chisoms more than third basement because he played more third than second.
29:50 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess if you have the man, then you play chisoms at second.
29:54 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: and they have all p becomes a bench player yeah cuz i mean jaz can't really play short i guess but would have to play short
30:02 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that not feel like a guy that would become a whipping boy a Yankees fan's boba shut?
30:07 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
30:08 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: His defense is going to be a whipping boy for the length of this deal if he plays short.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what teams are going to have to accept.
30:14 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, except for Toronto if he just goes back to the BlueJays because that fan base already understands who he is.
30:19 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And they know his limitations and they already know what makes him great too.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So you understand he'll make you better.
30:25 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: but only so much better because his defense will bring back some of the value of his contract from his offense.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's how I will put it.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So JP's the mayor has already kind of experienced this with JP.
30:41 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But you understand the home field advantage the mayor knows how that team will park.
30:46 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that advantage gets taken off if you have the position on the field
30:56 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It just gives you less of a chance to convert out and cannot convert out means more runs.
31:03 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunate.
31:04 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:05 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I would, so this is why it was up to me.
31:09 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I would really like to see, could you answer the Yankee question?
31:15 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Yankees keep falling short every year, so I'm guessing in the end, they would say yes to signing up for Boba Shet because he hit toward the top of your line up ahead of Judge and be an elite hitter, or probably be an elite hitter.
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: At some point, you have to take a risk.
31:27 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we offset that defense with the offense?
31:31 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say it, too, but there's a way the Dodgers could be in on him, because you'd move moody off of short, you'd let the Shet play short,
31:40 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: and then moochy goes back to the outfield with Tommy Ebb and playing second flash center field probably.
31:46 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a way to make that work if you're the Dodgers too.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: scary thought, but it could work.
31:53 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:55 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: See, this is why, and this is probably a topic for another day, but this is why I think it's really important that Cole Young's defense gets better in 2026, and it's also why I'd much just rather see Cole Timerson play short in 26, and I know Adam Jude felt differently, and he was warranted to feel that way, because he had valid reasons for it, but
32:11 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, when you talk about needing to save baseball's going through your infield for hits, when you already have home field advantage, especially when the biggest reason the JP struggles in the field these days is going side to side, because it's not forward and back where he really struggles.
32:26 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the side to side step where he really, really loses his value.
32:31 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is the topic for another day, but I'm just thinking about it as we're talking through and verbally processing some of this stuff.
32:36 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But back to Boba's yet.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's going to be a team
32:41 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There will likely be a team that just signs up for the bat in the end, and says if this is what it takes to get you into our organization, we'll do it, but I would also think that every single one of these teams will at least be asking him about his willingness to play second base.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
32:58 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a consistent question, I believe.
33:02 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: How would the Mariners roster shake out a few signed bobe shit?
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: How would this change next year?
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: and you have a chef for a long time.
33:14 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So somebody, yeah, this is really interesting because here the routes you could go ahead.
33:22 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say, during this negotiation, if the Mariners were going to negotiate with Boba Shet, don't you think one of his first questions if he didn't his homework on the organization would say, I know you guys have a 21 year old top prospect in your system who's supposed to debut this year.
33:41 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: in twenty twenty seven who's the starting short stop if i sign here i don't think that it like if you told boba shet sorry bow this guy who hasn't played a big league game yet as they're starting short stop he's been like oh sucks see you but are you sacrificing that if you're the mariners especially because call them are some supposed to be a really good depends on short stop it's supposed to be
34:08 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: but you know Boba Shet is a bad shortstop defensively, but you know Boba Shet is a great hitter.
34:17 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the rouse, I mean, the rouse you could go with this, go as follows.
34:23 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you sign Bo and give him what he wants to let him play shortstop, you're probably trading JP Crawford.
34:28 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably getting rerouted somewhere else.
34:31 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If you sign Boba Shet and he's willing to play second base, then it gets really interesting
34:39 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess there's a world you could go trade coal young if you think you could get back something different for your roster form, but I don't think that makes a lot of sense.
34:48 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially when you have as much control as coal has and still having the upside he has to be a really good big league player.
34:56 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there'd be a lot of working pieces through this.
34:58 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like would Boba ship you willing to play third base?
35:01 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're getting into the real weeds of this idea, because that would be the best outcome
35:09 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, can he play second?
35:11 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He's barely only got one.
35:12 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's six games of it.
35:15 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, there are games.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We barely see it.
35:17 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So ideally, if you're the Mariners, the ultimate situation is you just place third base, because then if you place third, he'd be there.
35:24 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Cold Emerson takes over for JP after 26, coal-jong's playing second base, and in terms of fitting cold Emerson into the lineup in 26, he has moved him around.
35:32 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He has bowed some TH days and put cold to third, you get JP office feet and put cold to short.
35:37 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd make a work, but I don't know, Boba's shit would play third.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If money's not an issue, wouldn't you rather just keep JP and Bo?
35:44 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that infield defense would not be great.
35:47 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But are you a better baseball team?
35:52 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You trade JP?
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But then what happens after 26 when JP hypothetically goes somewhere else?
36:00 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're suggesting also trading coal-young as a result, then what after 26?
36:04 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not necessarily.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
36:07 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's still one open infield position.
36:11 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So would you just essentially have Cole Young spend time on the Bench next year slash maybe spend some time in triple A is that what you're getting at I don't know you're this mate let let me frame it this way this argument is less about
36:28 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: player development next year, aka Cole Young and Cole Emerson, and more about putting your best for infielders out there for 2026, which is another thing that matters what have to consider.
36:42 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This would stunt the development of their middle and field prospects.
36:46 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: How much they value that, which I think they value it a lot, is a big factor in whether or not they would think about signing him.
36:55 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think as we start to wrap this conversation up, this is what people are gonna have to sit on and think about if you're interested or not interested in this idea is, the Mariners obviously don't hitch their wagon to very many big free Asian contracts.
37:08 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If they decide Boba Shet is the guy that wanna hitch their wagon to, there's serious pros to it and reasons for it.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's serious consuit with reasons against it.
37:16 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The reasons for is he's a proven bat who'll hit at the top of your line up.
37:20 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You know he hits for power, you know he hits for extra base hits, you know he doesn't strike out.
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: and you know he's going to make your team a lot better.
37:28 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But the cons to it is you are willing, oh and one other pro is, the Mariners don't like to sign guys in their 30s.
37:36 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, both not in his 30s.
37:37 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd get them for his late 20s, early 30s and mid 30s.
37:40 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a contract that can definitely work in free agency because of the age.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The cons are you know he's not a good defender.
37:47 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know that you are going to stunt your middle infield prospects development.
37:55 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There will be some moving pieces to this, along with the fact that every free agent contract, like that, is an objective risk.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Final question, then dog, would you do it?
38:10 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if the Mariners had an unlimited budget, yes, obviously, it's time Boba Shet.
38:15 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If I got to pick one guy for the Mariners to attach a big contract to this winner, and make one big swing this winner, is it Boba Shet?
38:24 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I could probably find some more value in other spots.
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:30 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
38:30 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Considering the budget, what they would have to pay him, that means no moves for the bullpen, that would mean potentially no supplementing the starting rotation.
38:43 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: gives you a lot less flexibility or like what if you sign boba shit then you have to trade cast deal with less leverage to make the budget balance a little bit and then you'd be a man shorten the rotation and you know you'd then be filling with less proven options or you'd be going to sign a free agent who you're not familiar with it's it's not clean by signing boba shit would signing boba shit make them better yes
39:06 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth it for 2026 and beyond with that price?
39:11 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there are better ways to upgrade your team.
39:12 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That give you a better position to be flexible, to continue to trade, and continue to add.
39:18 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:18 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no tariff school, and there's no Devon Williams if you sign above the shot.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
39:22 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
39:23 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you just said.
39:25 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There are ways to make yourself better without tying yourself to a seven-year contract, if someone who you're not in love with.
39:31 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I like I like bobbish at a lot in love with no Terkscubal and love with Devin Williams and love with they signed Edwin Diaz great But Not not not bobbish yet.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so our conclusion is look we like them.
39:46 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't love them Yeah, much much better if you you're an OG podcast listener you remember when we went through the free-age and contracts in the 23-off season
39:55 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Bo Guards and Turner and those guys.
39:58 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bo Guards, Turner.
39:58 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're out on all of them.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan's B.
40:02 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't make a lot of sense because again, those guys were so old not the right word, but they were into their 30s.
40:08 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that Bo Guards contract is a disaster.
40:12 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a disaster and they were almost twice as expensive.
40:16 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and Tray Turner, I mean, if you remember, if you want to flash back a couple of off seasons ago, he had legitimately negative percent interest in playing on the West Coast.
40:26 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: None.
40:27 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He was, I'm East Coast and that's final.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knew it.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no point.
40:31 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:32 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the one guy we talked about was once the Korean numbers came down, we're like, yes, banging the drum.
40:38 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, go sign them.
40:39 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But when Korea was getting
40:41 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: the 340 offer from the Giants or the 315 offer from the Mets or with Bogaard's got from the Padres we were out on that yeah so this one is the most favorable of all of those we just listed but still probably not.
40:57 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, if they end up signing them and surprise everybody, I'm sure we'll talk ourselves and do it, just like everybody else.
41:03 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I had to guess, I would guess it's not the Mariners to give them this money, and I would also guess if you want a free agent prediction that he probably just goes back to the Blue Jays.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, totally in with that.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, good stuff.
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