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00:55 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Wednesday evening December third a day early because Lyle and I will be getting on a plane during our normal recording time on Thursday to fly to Florida will be in South Florida a few days before the winter meeting start.
01:14 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Sunday evening, ish, and then Lowe and I should have a lot to talk about and what we're hearing, what we're talking to people about down in Orlando, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday before we get back Wednesday evenings.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it should be fun, Lowe.
01:28 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a prediction what we'll be doing when this episode comes out on, I should know, obviously, but Friday and Florida, what are we going to be doing?
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Waking up and reacting to Kyle Tucker being a
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll pass him in the airport somewhere.
01:43 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause there were some rumors out there today.
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, about him having a meeting in Toronto or with the Blue Jays?
01:50 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: In Tampa with the Blue Jays.
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fake people, don't fall for it.
01:55 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You think Kyle Tucker's just gonna make it evidently known that he's gonna be a mariner?
01:59 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, him and his agency have to play the game.
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They have to meet with all the teams.
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They gotta try to get the best offer.
02:04 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There's gonna be negotiations.
02:06 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all, it's all decoy, man's a mariner.
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you check in with him?
02:13 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You think I'm putting this on the pot if I didn't I'm a reliable source?
02:20 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, hopefully we see him down there.
02:21 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll be mulling around the winter meetings.
02:23 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the number one for agent just likes to rub elbows with everybody Maybe he's maybe maybe we'll walk past him and Jerry depoto just Shopping it up at the that the coffee shop and down in Orlando at the hotel
02:36 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I already said it.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I already said it.
02:39 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I'm going to do the E-teeth thing where I leave the trail of Reese's Pieces, but it goes right into the mariner's sweet, and then he's not coming out until they work out their differences, have some dialogue, and ultimately I see pen to paper.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's not much else news to react to here on Wednesdays.
02:54 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about on the episode that came out on Wednesday.
02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the Devon William signing and the weather or not, the mayor should have done it.
03:01 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the mayor should have tried to sign Devon William.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would have offered him that contract.
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was below market value.
03:08 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The other name we pivoted to for a cheaper price that we sort of float it out there on that episode was a million pagaan.
03:16 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, here on one-stay-milliopagon signs a two-year-20-million-dollar deal with the reds, so he is now off the board, and the Mariners have one less reliever the target in this free agent or trademark it.
03:28 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will say, again, it stays true.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners understand they need bullpen arms.
03:35 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do think they understand that.
03:37 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not going to be a miliopagon now.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: A little disappointing.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have again offered this deal.
03:45 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would have offered the deal, especially with a being just a two year deal.
03:49 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: However, if you're going to pay a reliever $10 million a year, just go pay Devon Williams the 15.
03:56 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were even going to consider a meal, you'll be gone, just pay Devon Williams.
03:59 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but if Devon Williams is off the board, then you could sign a
04:05 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would have been okay like that's the kind of guy you want.
04:07 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He fits as the last piece of a big four.
04:10 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's like he's above Bizarro.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably on the same level right now as a Gabe Spire in terms of effectiveness.
04:18 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you could use.
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But like a Gabe Spire level reliever, but he's right handed.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And this past year of a movie we've gotten was really good.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Not as good as Devon Williams has been for his career, but he's really good.
04:30 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And for $10 million, it's a decent price, but not for the Mariners, unfortunately.
04:35 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He put up basically a two-war season in the ballpen.
04:38 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He was really good.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to do.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think Monios has done that.
04:43 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Has he not?
04:44 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe hasn't.
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
04:45 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's been like just undertale.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm honestly shocked the reds were the ones to pony this up.
04:52 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he was with the reds last year, but just the red spending money period.
04:56 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to spend like this on a reliever, I would hope this is a signal for their sake and the sake of their fan base because again, I actually like that team and I like that fan base.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope that
05:06 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They're actually going to spend on some offense, too, but who knows they should spend on relievers is the cheapest option, and the short least amount of total money, ultimately, the reds are getting Amelia Pagan who could, even though he's in his mid 30s for the next two years, he could be a top
05:25 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... let's say top fifteen to ten bullpen arm in baseball feed just keep somebody did last year and they get them for about half the price of what the mariner's are roughly eventually pay horay plunko yeah that's true also if the reds are bad again next year let's be real i'm really up a god may just be off the books he may get traded at the deadline next summer if you're in a better contract right i mean if the reds are bad and he has another good year
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: because it's only a two-year deal.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, speaking of Jorge Polaco, because we don't have to spend all the time in the world on Emilio Pugon.
06:01 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish the Mariners had ultimately gotten that one done.
06:04 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the end of the world that they didn't, I think TJ's right, that they understand they need more bullpen help.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
06:10 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The only other news was, friend of the pod, Adam Jude put out an article here on Wednesday in the Seattle Times, which it should go read and check out, but I would say a couple of the talking points to take away from are, there's two, let's focus on the main one in Jorge Polanco, which is, there's mutual interest in both sides on a reunion, which isn't
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally shocking.
06:29 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners obviously would love to have Palanca back in the lineup.
06:32 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He really fits the roster and Palanca by all accounts Really liked being here.
06:37 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's somebody that loves change.
06:39 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he likes having a routine and Obviously he'd be playing with a winning ball club But the other note that Adam put in his article was the two sides are currently.
06:47 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean forever, but currently Not all that close on a deal, which means the money is far apart
06:53 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And Salt was talking about it on the radio this morning on Brock at Salt, that it what Polaco's asking for is really high right now, but like this is free agency.
07:05 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, of course, in, of course, on December 3rd, his ask is going to be very high.
07:09 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you read the article, Blanco has interest from at least five teams.
07:13 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So he knows it's like, I'm in no rush right now.
07:17 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, people know I'm, I'm healthy.
07:19 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: People know I can, I'm rebounded and I can hit really well.
07:23 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know I have leverage to try and get a multi-year deal here.
07:26 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to write this out as much as I can.
07:29 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The number he's asking for right now is not going to be the number he ends up getting because the teams are just not going to pay it.
07:35 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll bring it down.
07:36 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But right now there's no reason to do that.
07:37 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Spring train doesn't serve for three and a half months.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And
07:46 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: by all accounts what people have projected for Polanco and free agency is around the 12 to 15 million dollar A.V.
07:52 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Mark.
07:53 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So if we have to put an educated guess together, if you're Polanco and his camp and the Mariners feel like the money's far apart and his camp feels like the money's far apart, I'm going to guess they're probably asking for something in the range of 18 to 20 million dollars a year right now.
08:07 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Which of your Jorge Polanco's camp and your his agency?
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not?
08:11 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to ask.
08:13 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't mean a team's gonna necessarily say yes, but if you don't even try, then you might not get the deal you want for the highest amount of money.
08:19 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So of course you're gonna try to ask for $20 million a year for your client.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sometimes the Rockies come in are like, sure.
08:24 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
08:28 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Some team might bite the bullet.
08:31 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And potentially overpay.
08:33 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Polanco did that, is he going to win anything?
08:36 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, most likely not.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But is he going to make a lot of money?
08:40 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: More he had then he would make in Seattle?
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you have?
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Being a great police to hit?
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:46 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, like you can ask for plenty of things.
08:51 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I could ask to, like, I can ask to say, hey, TD and I want to take over pardon my take and just take all its listenership.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We can ask to do that.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna be told yes.
09:02 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We can ask to be chairman of the team of the Mariners.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't mean they're gonna just give it to us.
09:09 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but we can ask, we can ask, it never, the worst thing that can happen is what?
09:15 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
09:16 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They say no?
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all this.
09:23 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I can ask about Kyle Tucker as many times as I want down at the winter meetings and I will be doing that.
09:29 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean the answer is necessarily going to be what we want to hear, but then again those people don't know he's a mariner.
09:35 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we can ask.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You just don't know what answer you're going to get.
09:39 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So if your Polaco's camp, yeah, why not ask for as much money as you can?
09:43 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The most important part of that report is not the money.
09:47 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just that both sides of mutual interest.
09:50 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we want.
09:52 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we thought.
09:53 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Adam is now reporting it as Polaco is seeking out suitors.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are interested in having Jorge Polanco back and Jorge Polanco's interest in coming to the Mariners.
10:02 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That is about as much as you can ask for.
10:04 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And parsing through comments and actions of the Mariners already this off season, the Mariners are probably offering a very fair amount to Jorge Polanco.
10:15 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they are.
10:16 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's whether or not Polanco wants to take it ultimately.
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This really does have a chance to shape up as a very, very boring Mariners offseason doesn't it?
10:25 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but we've floated out all these ideas and we're gonna talk through all these scenarios and all these different avenues they could go down.
10:34 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: When in the end, it could just be, they brought back Nailer, they brought back Polaco and they'll bring in some bullpen arm.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, that's a great offseason.
10:41 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a boring offseason, but it's a good offseason.
10:45 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Boring and winning is better than entertaining and bad.
10:50 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
10:51 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to give everybody the, you know, the honeymoon phase of a new player where if we were down in spring training and we see, I'll just use the example because we were just talking about it on Wednesdays episode.
11:03 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Tetsuya, you might, you don't get the honeymoon effect of seeing me walk around and say, oh, look at that guy.
11:08 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: How great could he be?
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: What could he do for the Mariners?
11:10 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be all the faces potentially that you already know.
11:13 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But all the faces that you already know had the Mariners eight out to away from the world series.
11:17 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So they bring back Polanco after resigning Naylor and then get a bullpen arm.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I think that's a good off season.
11:23 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good for us because we like watching the Mariners win.
11:27 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's bad for us because then we can't just
11:30 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: just theorize all off season.
11:32 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unfortunately.
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they signed Polanco.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: What is their left at theorize?
11:36 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially maneuvering your pitching staff.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And what trades could they make for bullpen arms?
11:42 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if they signed Polanco, that's the last bat.
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The last starter caliber bat that they would get.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's Kyle Tucker's on the board.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go, let's Kyle Tucker's on the board.
11:54 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if Kyle Tucker signs all were down at the winter meetings, and then so does Jorge Polanco, then we get like, then we're a Christmas and all the presidents, the all the presidents, all the presidents have already been opened.
12:08 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although I honestly think Polanco's gonna wait this thing out a little bit.
12:12 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it'll be quite as long as last year where he really sign late, but if you're Polanco and you're as camp, why not let your market play out a little bit?
12:19 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not in a rush to do anything.
12:22 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the last note Adam had from his article is prospector-related for the Mariners.
12:27 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Arroyo, Mariners former infield prospect, has been playing games in the Colombian winner league.
12:36 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the Venezuelan winner league, but yeah, okay, but he is out playing left field in that and Adam was reporting that the Mariners want him playing left field and that his move out there is quasi permanent but he's going to when he gets to spring training next year is going to be playing left field.
12:57 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I was a little surprised when I first saw this because we've always talked about him as being a little bit positionless.
13:02 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We wondered where is he going to play long term.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're the Mariners, this actually makes sense.
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd say this for a couple of reasons.
13:09 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, while it might not always look like it off the eye test, Michael O'Royal actually grades out as a perfectly average runner.
13:16 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: On the 20 to 80 scale, he is graded out by our friend arm late in a just baseball as a 50-grade runner.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's perfectly average in terms of speed?
13:24 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you can just run a little bit, which he can, and you look around at what the Mariners have in their system and up on their Big League roster.
13:32 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: First base, well, he's not gonna play there.
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got Josh Nailer for five years.
13:36 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Second base, by all accounts, Cole Young's gonna be there for the very foreseeable future.
13:40 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Short stop, I don't think a royal could really play short stop long term, and that's also gonna be cold ever since spot long term, presumably.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Third base,
13:48 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it's possible, but they don't seem to be keen on wanting to move them to third base.
13:53 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to seem to move them to the outfield, which must make, which they must think for that reason that this is not where he great out the best moving forward long term.
14:01 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do they do?
14:02 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to put them in the left field.
14:03 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And Randy Rosaraine is going to be a free agent at the end of 2026 if they don't bring in somebody outside the organization next winter.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: to play that field.
14:13 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That could be a potential solution at some point because the micro-royo just hits.
14:17 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to find a position for them.
14:19 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: To start this season maybe, it depends how this year goes.
14:24 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Left field is not rocket science to play defensively.
14:28 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, technically, Jesse Winker played left field.
14:31 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Jesse Winker can stand out and left field and let the ball go by, I'm in a rostered entire season.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael O'Royo could do the same thing,
14:39 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No, Michael Royo's defense as people have talked about doesn't work quite as well in the infield might as well try it in the outfield like what's the worst that's gonna happen You move them back to the infield if it's a disaster.
14:52 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would move them permanently to let field if they didn't think he could handle it and his bat is too good for him to not get an opportunity like that as opposed to you Just trying to trade him because you're like, well, I don't know what to put him
15:06 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So now instead he's going to get a better shot at making the big leagues.
15:09 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
15:10 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So his goals for next year are going to be hit at the level he's hit his entire minor minor career, but do it in the hardest place to hit the minor leagues and look fine in the outfield.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need to win a gold glove.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to catch the balls that hit to him.
15:27 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to not let the ball roll through his legs and he needs to not look lost.
15:32 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's his goals.
15:34 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And not to say he couldn't get traded, but if he doesn't, and the Mariners have all intentions of keeping him, and they do keep him for the long run, then yeah, you have to find a position form, because we just laid it out.
15:45 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no path to second base with Cole Young there, there's no path to shortstop with Colt Emerson there.
15:50 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't seem to really think he's going to great out as a third baseman, and again, they may find a third baseman long term at some point.
15:56 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: find a position for him and they're doing that so credit to them he's going to play the outfield and for those who may be sleep on his bad a little bit I always say this about a royal I think he is far away the most slept on prospect in the organization and part of that is because he doesn't always have a position and he does and he's not
16:15 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Physically just imposing the way that somebody like Las Montezas, but then you look at the numbers and you look at the bat to ball skills.
16:23 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael O'Royal has a career opes of 870 in minor league baseball, and that includes 56 games in double a last year when he was a 20 year old.
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: and had a 717 OPS.
16:35 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this man for a lot of his minor league career already is put up a 900 OPS in minor league baseball.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This dude can hit.
16:42 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a solid argument he has the best overall bat in the Mariners minor league system.
16:48 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, better than lies, better than cult.
16:51 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the complete package of strikeouts, walks, power, doubles, like all of that that he has.
17:00 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this will be something really exciting to watch.
17:02 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is going to boost him as like a as a prospect.
17:05 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, RMs not going to jump him up his top 100 prospects because Michael Royo is now left the older instead of a second baseman.
17:13 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: but it does give the Mariners more flexibility and more freedom to move him up and down.
17:18 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And he may just be one of those prospects that's always a little slept on and then could get to the Big League's in really just mash.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Michael O'Royod does not have Lazzo's power.
17:27 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what TJ is saying, but TJ is saying the overall combination of everything.
17:33 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Might make him.
17:34 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: the best bat in the system.
17:36 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an argument for it.
17:37 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the upside isn't quite what some of the upside is for the other guys, but just the overall current package and the floor is certainly an argument to be made about a royal.
17:46 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guy hit 23 homers back in 24 across minor league baseball, like he didn't leave the ballpark as a 19 year old.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can really hit.
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19:06 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: First up on the mailbag, it's Graham and Graham's question is, while take, Brendan Donovan and Jake Kronoworth to cover third and second base this season are better than having Polanco and other options.
19:24 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't understand the argument, Donovan's younger, he has continued to hit, he's probably a little bit more of an athlete.
19:31 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But to me, somebody like Brendan Donovan feels more like a backup plan if Jorge Polanco falls through.
19:37 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners priority is to bring Polanco back, and if they miss out, then they would pivot to looking to trade for somebody like Brendan Donovan.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Donovan's going to cost you prospects.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you think the Mariners are going to do.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Which situation would the Mariners be better in 2026?
19:53 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I was grappling with.
20:02 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Planko's even somewhat of what he did last year.
20:05 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think, I mean, by war, this is close, right?
20:09 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a surefire thing one way or another.
20:12 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think for a team that really needs offensive production again.
20:17 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I would side with Polanco, paired with the fact that for what they need on the roster, he just fits it so well.
20:23 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they need a DH who can also move out and play the field when Cal needs DH days, which is what he does.
20:29 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want Jorge Polanco necessarily playing second base seven days a week.
20:33 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You won't call young to eventually be the second baseman of the future and keep developing and turn into a potential top 10 second baseman in the league, which I think he eventually can be.
20:43 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't even can't really do that.
20:45 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not really a DH, or Apollo is a DH who can play second base once to twice a week.
20:51 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were to acquire those two players, yes, it would cost something.
20:56 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would cost something where you're heartbroken.
21:00 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how much you gave up.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be a fair price.
21:03 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've got three years of control, but he's not like the Cardinals don't have that much lever.
21:07 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Two years of control.
21:08 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Two years.
21:09 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Three.
21:10 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's two.
21:12 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not a good enough player where the the cardinals have the sort of leverage to to gain your best prospects away for him.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not young either.
21:21 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple things working against the cardinals with him trading him.
21:24 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you're to trade for Jake Croninworth, he's making money and he's old.
21:28 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So that would that would lower his cost as well.
21:34 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about this.
21:35 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The like,
21:36 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year, both of those players were just under 3 wins and both put up a WRC Plus over 115.
21:42 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were to get a 3-1 player with a 115 WRC Plus about 2nd base and 3rd base.
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd argue that's better than what they would have just for 2026.
21:53 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The conversation of this, though, does extend beyond 2026 because Crone and Worth has five years left on his deal, and Donovan is multiple years, where you could say, okay, Colt Emerson's going to be better than both those players combined by year three.
22:08 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and both those players will be well under their 30s.
22:11 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there's an argument of long-term versus just next year.
22:15 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Just next year, I would buy that that they would, the Mariners would be better and their floor would be a lot higher if they had those two players.
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can buy that argument.
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's totally fair.
22:25 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, hand up, I'm wrong, you're right.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Donovan has three years of control.
22:29 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So by the end of that third year of Brennan, Donovan and Jake Cronorth would be 33 at that point.
22:39 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: would be really stepping into a stardom then and you'd have nowhere to play him because you would have both those guys under contract on your roster unless you're going to trade them away for nothing but it would block Colt Emerson's development and that's that's another thing about this.
22:52 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want somewhere for Colt Emerson to play?
22:55 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt.
22:58 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me provide some additional context to this too.
23:01 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to assume part of the reason ground throughout these names of Brendan Donovan and J. Crononworth is because it's not totally random.
23:08 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So Jeff Passen and Kylie McDaniel, the SPN, put out a trade list the other day in an article that you can go check out over on the SPN.
23:16 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But they ranked their top 25 players who could be traded this off.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: See them.
23:21 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They ranked them and they also tried to fit certain players with certain teams.
23:26 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And a couple of guys that they said would fit the Mariners were Brennan Donovan for one.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Jake Kronenworth was another.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also some of the usual suspects in there.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Could tell Marta was in there not shockingly.
23:36 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they linked Alec Bome to the Mariners just with the idea of potentially trying to get a third basement, although I don't love that one to be honest.
23:43 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:44 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So Donovan and Kronenworth were two names that both pass and in Kylie McDaniel linked to Seattle.
23:51 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much sense the crown and worth one makes.
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like TJ just talked about.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of years on the deal.
23:59 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of money.
24:00 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing like the podries probably aren't trading him just to have a team take on 25% of his money.
24:07 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They want to clear money.
24:09 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get rid of some contracts.
24:12 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's $12 million here.
24:14 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I almost think that they would trade him
24:18 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: for not a lot to wherever they could trade jake chrono worth like almost nothing back of a team was willing to take on most of that deal.
24:24 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you were to sit here and say, would you sign jake chrono worth right now at 32 years old do a five year 60 million dollar deal?
24:31 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think most people would probably say, no.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: probably know.
24:38 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But like my thought on these players is floor raises, the ceiling is not as high.
24:46 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're safe, but it's not, you're not shooting for the stars with this one.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you Graham for the question.
24:54 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Next one comes from Josh on Patreon and Josh asks, do you think Josh Taylor's slow guy based ceiling skills or something that he could teach?
25:01 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Could we
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there aspects of it that are teachable?
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there are, and I'm sure Josh Nailer and Spring Training and throughout the year may give some tips to guys who may be looking for them.
25:17 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's also a reason most guys with second to third percentile sprints beat or not swiping 30 bags a year.
25:22 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a very unique trait to pick up pitchers and read signals, the way he does.
25:30 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think, unfortunately, we can just snap our fingers and say with Josh Nailer here.
25:35 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He can teach every guy how to swipe 25 30 bases.
25:38 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to side with no on this.
25:41 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: you can make the extreme argument here of the Ricky Henderson example there's been a ton of guys major league baseball who have been really fast and it's history but only one stole bases at a rate so absurdly above everybody else and that's because like guys like Ricky Henderson had the uncanny ability to read pictures and get great jumps and get on base a ton.
26:05 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not that easy.
26:06 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The Josh Nailer can tell Dom can't zone.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look for this.
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look for that.
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But Dom has to go execute it.
26:13 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Dom and his career has never been a stolen base guy like that, it's hard to just pick it up and be great at it.
26:20 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what we saw from Josh Nailer this year, we might not even see from him again in his career.
26:24 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer could very well not even steal 15 bases next year.
26:28 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That thing he did might have been a totally unique circumstance in his career.
26:34 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That he's not going to be able to execute again if he stole that many bases.
26:38 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he gets caught half the time this time because it's just it's hard.
26:43 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to do.
26:44 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like Josh that is a very Projectible skill on other people.
26:48 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's you have to have good instincts.
26:51 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And instincts aren't really taught.
26:54 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
26:54 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, JP Crawford, who's much faster than Josh Nailer is, and actually a lot of years has graded out as a pretty good bass runner because he's pretty good first to third or second to home and he gets the angles right, he's not a great bass dealer, even though he is faster.
27:09 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's the same idea of Josh Nailer could teach JP Crawford a thing or two, but it doesn't necessarily mean JP's going to pick all of it up and just start stealing 30 bases the way Nailer did it's it's just a unique trait and the Mariners are not going to green light all the slow guys on the roster to just steal that will Josh Nailer earned himself that reputation to steal
27:29 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom can't zone is not going to get the green light to just steal and every once.
27:34 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm sure Josh had at the end of the season.
27:36 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a asking for outs on the base paths and the Mariners cannot afford those if you want an efficient offense.
27:43 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Alts on the base paths are the worst.
27:47 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question, Josh.
27:49 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon and the question is,
27:54 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: if if it holds that teams value young big leakers over prospects at the winter meetings which mariner of mariner's big leakers make the most sense to trade I want to give people an answer not name Luis Castillo because we've talked about it so many times also he technically can't be traded at the winter meetings because you got to wait another month till January 1st when the no trade clause expires in his contract
28:22 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Another Mariners Big Leagueer that could be traded.
28:24 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're going to count him as a Big Leagueer at this point, I would say the one that probably makes the most sense is Harry Ford, because he still got some prospects status.
28:32 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: There are teams out there that could be looking for a catcher, and if you think it's going to bring you back a real bullpen arm, or an outfield bat that you could want, he could be floated around.
28:44 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to go back to what we've talked about in the last couple of episodes, and that's trading starter.
28:49 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: link one of those other starters if you're looking to really swing for impact, which I believe the the the preface of this question is that in the offseason, you can't just load up all of your top prospects into a trade package and go acquire Katelmarté, the Diamond Baxter want Big Leagueers back.
29:09 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to say it'd be George Kirby because the mariner's winning is distracted us from the conversation about the four starters and the rotation, something we talked about a lot last off season.
29:20 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you going to keep them all?
29:21 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have money to spend, should you trade one of these guys so you can get real majorly talent back in areas that you're not as good in.
29:29 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: the conversation still does stand whoever does not get signed to an extension once they get to within two years of free agency there needs to be a conversation about trading them because that's just how the mariners roll like this is this is their process so whether or not you like it it's it's got to be talked about yeah and they can't be traded with a year left with a team in a competitive window because for example
29:52 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to trade George Kirby with a year left on his deal, you're probably only getting prospects back.
29:57 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about what Corbin Burns got back in the deal.
29:59 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It got deal hall in Joey Ortiz who were fringe big leagueers at the time, but we're back and top 100 prospects.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to do that,
30:07 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: When the Mariners are still in a competitive window, I mean, that's a terrible luck.
30:11 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that.
30:13 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point, you got to keep Kirby for the final year, and then he walks in free agency.
30:17 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're serious about trading these guys, because you don't think they're going to sign an extension, you have got to do it at a point where you are getting established, big league talent back on your roster.
30:26 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And for these guys that you think may or may not sign extensions,
30:29 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the point where you have to have some of the conversations because their values at the point where with two to three years left on the deal, that's when you get the most value back.
30:39 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Corbin Burns to get that package had won a signing and been one of the best pictures in the National League.
30:44 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's been really good.
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not been that good.
30:47 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He would not fetch that package with one year left.
30:50 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question, Pucci.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Zander on Patreon.
30:55 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Zander's question is, what is your favorite obscure mariner moment that still makes you smile?
31:03 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a good question.
31:04 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I've used the default answer before about Carlos Pagero hitting absolute tanks back in the early to mid 2010s, so I'm gonna pick something different.
31:14 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had to pick one obscure Mariners moment, it still makes me smile or laugh, I mean, I'd probably say, I don't know how obscure you call this, because at the time it was the closest they'd been to the playoffs in a decade.
31:29 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say the Logan Morrison game 161 double, tied it up against essentially a fucking
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They had already clinched the ALS.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They basically locked up the number one seed.
31:46 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Haveway through that game.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They took everybody out of the lineup.
31:49 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the guy that fielded that ball on the devil with a guy named Tony Campana.
31:55 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's exactly what you'd expect.
31:58 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're saying to yourself, who is that?
32:00 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But that low-mode double back in a
32:04 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Two one Mariners win and game 162 with that, or 161 with that just horrendous offense from that year.
32:11 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was so bad is probably is probably my favorite obscure moment and the Mariners were trying so hard to score, like the angels were throwing absolutely nobody's and the Mariners.
32:23 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't even putting pressure on the angel score runs.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: a fucking lifeless offense.
32:30 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that one, that memory makes me smile, but I have a more obscure, even less impactful game that makes me smile.
32:38 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember Dayho Lee's walk off home run against the rangers?
32:42 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
32:43 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There was like, there was like nobody in the ballpark that day, too.
32:46 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I remember a spring break, it was a day game, midweek game, you know, the Mariners at this point are right, smack in the middle of their playoff drought, they're, they're like fine day holy at this point, had had two hits.
33:01 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: in his Mariners career, and he didn't even start this game.
33:04 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He came off the bench to pinch it for Adam Linnigan's Jake Deekman in the 12th inning.
33:09 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
33:11 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a bad mood for some reason.
33:12 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just playing Xbox listening to the game, and the Mariners lost five in a row, and day holy, and his only season in Major League Baseball steps up to the plate, and squats that ball over the wall and Dave Sims lost his mind.
33:27 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to quiz you, so you've watched the highlight recently.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to quiz you and say do you remember who gave it up?
33:31 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Because without even watching it, I remember it was Jake Deekman, who threw really hard forever.
33:36 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But Dayho got a hold of it.
33:38 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Also on top of all the settings, on top of all the settings that we just described about that game, I'm pretty sure it was a midweek game, and I'm also pretty sure it was raining and the roof was closed.
33:51 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So just every reason for there to be about 5 people in the ballpark that day,
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: every box was checked.
33:57 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the few people that were in the park that day, you saw daily in extra innings on a day game midweek roof closed like April game that I walk off homer.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a very classic Mariners again.
34:09 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're at this point.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: This is 2016.
34:11 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They're on year 16.
34:14 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are 15 of their playoff drought.
34:17 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They they had lost five of their own the second week of the season.
34:21 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's any way to get fans disinterested in your team early on in the season lose five games in a row in the second week of the season Be what we like
34:30 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So no one was there and Dayholy sends everyone whole happy so that that one made me smile.
34:36 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that I was about to check and I did check because I was curious once you brought up the name I was like Dayholy cannot still possibly be playing right the answer's no his final year was 2022 in the KBO although Listen to this it's finally year at 40 years old the hit 331 OPS 881 and hit 23 bombs at age 40.
34:58 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a timeless wonder
35:01 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: a dime was a wonder he's he might be one of the greatest players in KBO history unreal and then in Seattle you put up what 0.2 war I think yeah I mean actually I mean he has 740 OPS yeah I'm looking at it he was fine he had 250 740 OPS he was fine he was just you knew what he was however
35:24 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: the thing I laugh about from that year is that was Jerry's first off season and one of his first quotes that he ever spun out into the public when taking over for the Mariners was how much more athletic he wanted to make that 2016 roster that was real like that was a quote he's like this team needs to get more athletic and then yeah no he's okay say holy Daniel Bogobac at the trade deadline at a point I mean
35:54 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that meme that goes around and has gone around the last few weeks of either wives or friends or kids asking their former pro-athlete parents being like, do you ever wish you were more athletic?
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see
36:15 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: All the families of Adam Lindeholi, Daniel Voguebach, Norya Iokie, asked all of them to you wish you were more athletic.
36:21 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, me, Jerry, you should have asked them that during their accident reviews at the end of the year.
36:26 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The honest answer for those guys though might be, yeah.
36:31 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: May buy me.
36:32 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think all those guys know how slow they run.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, yeah.
36:37 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess the Adaleone is Martin that year.
36:39 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He was an athlete, but there was a fun team, but of course no playoffs.
36:48 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would say I would say there was four to five players that made it really fun.
36:53 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the whole roster was fun.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, Dave Holy was fun.
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was a, he was a lovable character.
36:59 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from a jumbled username on YouTube.
37:03 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And the question is, seems like it would be more likely if the manager's got Terrax Google what the tray deadline.
37:09 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you go over the differences in an offseason, versus or trading it in an offseason, versus what is offered at a tray deadline for Terrax Google, also throws Paul schemes in there before I let you answer allow.
37:21 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Paul Scenes is not getting traded this off season.
37:23 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Paul Scenes is probably not getting traded next off season or the off season after that.
37:26 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got way too much control.
37:28 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but anyway, let's use Terric Scoobles this example.
37:31 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the difference between trading firm and the off season and trading firm at the deadline?
37:37 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, a lot.
37:38 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to go back to the CSPN article that passed an and Kylie McDaniel put together, they don't seem to think the odds of Terric Scoob will getting traded this winter or high.
37:46 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They seem to put it at about 10%.
37:48 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Which means if
37:51 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tigers were truly just blown away with an offer than maybe, but otherwise, I think it sits at 10% because they plan to keep them for at least the first half of 2026.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what changes at the deadline?
38:04 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, a lot.
38:05 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason for that is a couple of things.
38:08 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You get less time with the best picture in the world.
38:10 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So the capital that you'd have to give up and return is obviously gonna be cut in half.
38:15 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Along with the fact that the Tigers are bad and they're out of it.
38:19 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: you've lost your leverage.
38:20 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You've truly lost it because if they don't trade tariff school at the deadline, every team that's sitting there thinking about acquiring them says to the Tigers, what are you going to do?
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep them on a roster that take games below 500.
38:30 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll know you're not because then he's just going to walk at the end of the year and you're not going to pay them.
38:34 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So look, the Mariners would still have to give up something fairly significant for him, but it's going to be a hell of a lot less than you'd have to give up right now.
38:44 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot more leverage at the deadline than there is in the offseason.
38:48 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The offseason, the two sides really, I feel like the Tigers lose their leverage at the deadline.
38:54 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The other team's game, the leverage, right now, there is no leverage for anybody.
38:59 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
39:01 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The Tigers have the Tigers buy all counts want to compete in 2026.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, where is the incentive to trade him?
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is none, right?
39:13 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no, the Mariners also have no leverage in this negotiation.
39:17 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So the deadline itself, like the hard deadline forces leverage onto one side or the other.
39:24 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You could even use it as the Josh Nailor trade, for example, give in how that sort of shook out.
39:31 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You did mention it's cheaper, yeah, because you're acquiring pliers
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: four months into the season.
39:37 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The Josh Nular package in the off season when he was traded from the Guardian to the Diamondbacks was a big league pitcher in Slate, Sikone, and a second round pick.
39:46 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And when the Mariners required him at the deadline, it was for two mostly minor league pitchers.
39:54 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So like that's a pretty entirely lock there.
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty big drop-off in terms of value.
39:59 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Lockler was G now.
40:02 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, never mind.
40:04 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Josh Nailer sadly ended up involving our guy bread and Garcia getting training Garcia in Ashton as he yeah, right.
40:12 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, as you can see the the package is a lot it's it's a lot less, but the Mariners if you want to look at leverage.
40:22 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Called the Diamondbacks and said, is he resounding with you this offseason?
40:26 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
40:28 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: What choice do you have?
40:29 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you traded for them, but you're not good enough?
40:31 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a trade them and they trade them For what they thought they the value they could get back.
40:36 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well the deadline also allows you to do And some where it allows the season to play out and you get a better idea of who your team actually is and what your needs are Because there's a chance you acquire someone in the offseason Thinking that your need in it's not really your need mean while in the season you can see what a need is So I think that's a good way to explain it.
40:54 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:54 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right
40:56 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Darin Bell on X and Darin's question is, our friend Hembo on the baseball tonight podcast suggested that the Phillies trade for Harry Ford and let JT real move to walk.
41:08 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, would Ford be a good replacement for JT real move to.
41:12 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, what would the Mariners want in return?
41:16 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be fair to the Phillies, they did just give up that real catching prospect for Joe on to ran at the deadline.
41:26 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't be shocked if they did, but if you're looking for a potential young catcher, if Real Mito comes back on a short deal or you can't resign them, could make some sense.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what could the Mariners get back?
41:38 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Joe on Duran would be awesome, but sadly that's not going to happen.
41:43 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to look at some fillies that you could trade for in exchange for Harry Ford, look, I don't know exactly what the value is going to be.
41:52 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the first name that has to stand out is
41:56 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, we're nowhere near thinking on the same lines.
42:00 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We're nowhere close.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know what?
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, what am I saying?
42:03 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Stroms a free agent.
42:04 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so it would not be for Matt Strom.
42:07 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You might be wrong.
42:08 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I looked at my idea.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not thinking about a reliever?
42:11 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No?
42:13 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's on your mind?
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have one for one trade with Alibone.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you do that?
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Bones only got a year left on his deal.
42:22 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have a great year.
42:25 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we talked about him last year, but that was coming off a career year and even many had some character concerns and they're not ridiculous character concerns.
42:33 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just been described as a little bit of a whiner throughout his time in Philadelphia.
42:37 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So is that worth Harry Ford when you could have a backup catcher for a long time?
42:40 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying I would do that trade, but if the Mariners are trading Harry Ford, that doesn't seem like a terrible return.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It is better than what you currently have at third base, right?
42:53 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes it is but and and and and also let me ask you this you say well out boom is not that valuable How much value does Harry Ford have to the 2026 Mariners?
43:06 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much do you value cow-rally octaves if they're gonna be twice a week That's roughly how many games that Harry Ford could play through a year even max.
43:14 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's worth half a win
43:18 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be looking at bullpen arms to trade for Harry for it.
43:21 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, okay, here's the example.
43:22 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this package is realistic or not because he has a ton of club control and isn't even in arbitration yet, but I mean, I'd look at Orion Kirkering.
43:33 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking for bullpen arms, that's what I'd look at for Harry Ford.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, there's a change of scenery.
43:38 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say, unfortunately, Orion Kirkering's now infamous moment and what is best known for among a lot of fans is air mailing a baseball to the plate that ultimately ended up ending the Philly season against the Dodgers.
43:52 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers were probably going to end up winning that game and that series anyway.
43:55 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They swept.
43:56 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you put that aside, just one unfortunate play.
44:00 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, Ryan Kirkkerng is a really good reliever.
44:03 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had two really good seasons in a row.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's young.
44:06 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only going to be 25.
44:07 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: How many years of control?
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Four.
44:11 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, it's not a thing.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Harry Ford's fetching that.
44:16 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he is if the fillies are in desperate need of a catcher.
44:21 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: J.T.
44:21 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: the pre-agent.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
44:23 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think Harry Ford's worth a big league reliever with four years of control.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.
44:30 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, and that's, well, that's why I preface this with it might be a little bit of a pipe dream, but if you're asking about the fillet and you could throw the things in there too.
44:37 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could attach other prospects or you could attach other big league pieces if there's certain things the fillets think they'd want.
44:42 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be crazy big league pieces, but it would be, you know, it could be like a Luke Rayleigh or somebody like that.
44:49 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the fillets, they're obviously not trading you any other stars.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And those guys also have big contracts.
44:56 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to think about what makes sense for the Mariners.
44:59 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And I look up and down that roster.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see, oh, this is a really good reliever that's also controllable.
45:04 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So are the fillies of perfect trade package for the Mariners?
45:07 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
45:07 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is a fun exercise because we got a great question about it for the mailbag and HEMBO talked about it, who obviously we respect as opinion, 10 fold.
45:18 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But unless it's somebody like that, like Kirkering, I don't know exactly what the Mariners would want to haul back that would make perfect sense for them.
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: To make anyone happy?
45:30 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Fans, team, players, I mean, if the Mariners were to get a Ryan Kirkering for Harry for it, I would say people should be happy about that because that is a potential leverage reliever or at the very least, a very, very good middle reliever.
45:44 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And exchange for a guy who you know
45:50 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I just feel like teams are gonna use that against the Mariners, knowing that Harry Ford's value to other teams is higher than he is to the Mariners.
45:58 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kinda how I feel, but that's only if they trade him.
46:02 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I mean, when Kobe Mayo was a prospect, again, I know it hasn't been the smoothest sailing for him through his first couple of big league years, but when he was a prospect, I don't feel like his value was tanked because the Orioles had other good players on their infield.
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Kobe Mayo like first base, which he's played.
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He could dhm.
46:26 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Harry Ford's if they sign Jorge Palanco, Harry Ford has nowhere to play with the bench.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:32 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I still want because they've also tried him at other positions and they don't work.
46:37 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or what about what about when Gabby Moreno was traded away from the blue jades for our show?
46:41 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They already had two catchers with Alejandro Kirk and Danny Jansen.
46:44 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They still got a real return form.
46:46 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Gabby Moreno wasn't really a big league at that point.
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess not there was Harry Ford, but exactly.
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a dip.
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a different scenario because Harry does not.
46:57 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Gabby Moreno is a great defensive catcher.
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Harry does not have that.
47:03 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just thinking about catching prospects that were ultimately dealt for other talent.
47:07 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Now Gabby Moreno to be fair was a top 10 prospect in baseball, but I don't know.
47:13 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, there's no way for us to predict if other teams are gonna hold Harry forward against the Mariners in terms of his value or not.
47:21 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is an interesting conversation.
47:23 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The last male bad question is a juicy one.
47:26 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: This comes from Oscar McCullough on Instagram and the question is,
47:30 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you feel about trading Colt Emerson straight up for these, one of these two?
47:36 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Tarrick Scooble or Katel Marte?
47:40 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a fun question.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not fun.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a very good question from Oscar.
47:47 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes you think, because we don't have an immediate answer for this, but it's not really an answer I want to think about.
47:53 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Straight up means one for one.
47:55 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: All you have only thing you have to do to acquire these players is to give up Colt Emerson.
48:00 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And call me, I think I do too.
48:08 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've kind of played tug-of-war with this, since we got all these mailback questions and decided we were gonna ask this one.
48:16 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Call me a prospect, Tucker, but I think my answer to this is no, because Colt Emerson is the one guy that I would consider pretty much untouchable in the Mariners system.
48:25 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were talking about other prospects for this, I think it's a fair conversation.
48:29 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm trading Colt Emerson, because it is a similar cloth that Julio was cut from when he was going to be a rookie, where you are saying, look, you know he's going to be a part of your big league plans for a long time and you are really, really bang on this guy to be really good.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would not trade Colt.
48:49 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Scoobles in easy notes, he is one year as good as he is, one year no way.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't do that for Kattel.
48:55 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: One for one.
48:56 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say yes for Kattel Marta.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see the odds are.
49:00 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Kattel Marta for the length of his remaining contract years will be better than those six years of control that Cold Emerson has with the Mariners.
49:11 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because Kattel Marta has proven at the Big League level, he's a stud.
49:15 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like at floor, a hall of very good player in baseball.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_00]: for a number of years.
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you know, he's good.
49:29 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson, we think he's going to be good.
49:31 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The prospect status of him says he's going to be good.
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything we've seen on the minor says he's going to be good.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't done it yet.
49:38 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And what are the odds?
49:41 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's better than what you get from Catel Marta.
49:44 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Catel Marta is going to be 32.
49:47 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: At what point does the athleticism go?
49:49 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: At what point does the bat speed go?
49:51 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I wouldn't trade for Catel Marta, but this is why for Colt Demoson, I'd get Colt feet.
49:57 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's all the questions about how he's fit in the clubhouse and will he change up any of the vibes for a lack of a, you know,
50:04 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll change up any of the vibes in the wrong way inside that clubhouse.
50:08 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's too many question marks around Katel Marthade to say, I'm trading my best prospect for this guy, even though Katel's a top 10 hitter in the game.
50:16 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: All of that paired with the money the Mariners would be asked to take on.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would trade Colt Emerson specifically.
50:23 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This would hurt in 2029 and 2030, yeah.
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It would really hurt.
50:27 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It might look terrible.
50:28 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: 26 and 27, if you made that trade,
50:36 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see the trailer to tell Marta without giving up Colt Emerson.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my thing.
50:42 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to trade Colt Emerson, but we're talking a one for one swap.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to trade anybody else.
50:49 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to trade any of your starters.
50:51 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to trade any of your minor league pitchers who are all supposed to be studs.
50:55 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to trade anyone else in your minor league system.
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Just Colt.
51:00 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think we see this one differently.
51:06 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But he is just the one guy where I'd get cold feet because I really, really believe in what he's going to be a long term.
51:14 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you sacrifice, so your sacrificing the ability to put yourself closer to when a world series next year?
51:24 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I still think this team's already good.
51:26 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it is, but to tell me if you better.
51:28 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, but what happens if Cole Demerson puts up three and a half wins is a rookie?
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That could be not that far off from what could tell puts up next year.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What if Cole Emerson does what Jared Kellink did as a rookie?
51:41 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is the fun.
51:42 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What if game with prospects isn't it?
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've seen both.
51:46 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We have.
51:46 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen one win, rookie of the year and be worth almost six wins and the other one be out of the least, essentially out of the league within five years.
51:58 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're just gonna see this one differently.
52:00 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is the one prospect where I get cold feet.
52:04 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're gonna have to live with it then.
52:08 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell Marta, I just don't want to trade Colt Emerson to do it.
52:15 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's your answer.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question, Oscar.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a good question.
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53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I sent you some of the numbers.
53:41 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if I can pull it out like just like it's this time of year where we really get to
53:47 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: get to understand our audience and some of the new listeners we have who haven't been what does the whole time or some of you that have been with us since the very beginning and like we have a 255% increase in new audiences here.
54:01 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: 255% that's like that's a crazy number for a podcast in year three that already had an audience to then grow that much more and like reach that that many more people I thought was super cool but let me find the number
54:15 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: like we're for 4 people top 10 show like you guys are all amazing like the amount of people who constantly the 700 people who wear the number one show for as a crazy 700 people on just Spotify by the way that's just Spotify let's let's the coolest thing ever thank you guys yeah wait what's the 4 number you said
54:36 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: $4 for $4 people were a top 10 show.
54:41 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's crazy.
54:42 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, cool, I mean, that's even, that means you might listen to us once every other week, but even still, that's, that's great.
54:48 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:48 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're in your ears twice a month.
54:50 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's like, even that much is super cool.
54:53 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:53 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's just Spotify.
54:55 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_01]: At your point, that doesn't include people that listen on Apple podcasts that watch on YouTube, then might listen on some of the,
55:01 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: less, less mainstream podcast platforms, which some people do.
55:06 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Google Patreon.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a wonderful Patreon subscribers.
55:10 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Patreon, Google podcasts.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess some people might listen on Amazon podcasts.
55:14 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
55:14 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, I think the number that jumped out to me the most is we had four million total minutes of listening time on Spotify.
55:23 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's an insane number.
55:25 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot.
55:26 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a, it's a lot of Kyle Tucker.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of carry carpenter.
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, a lot of Dan Wilson.
55:33 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's how, dude.
55:33 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Since we're at this point, and we're in the, the middle of, praising all our amazing, amazing supporters and listeners.
55:43 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just, I'll let people inside my brain here and give people a little bit of intel.
55:51 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The carry caravan of George Curvey at bat has become my fucking Roman Empire.
55:55 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even kidding, and it shouldn't, I know, and it's stupid, I know one the series.
56:00 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, even though they won the series, I know, I know, I'm acknowledging it's stupid, because it ended up not making the end all difference.
56:07 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The one you should think about more is obviously the Muno's thing and the Bizarro thing in game 7 against the Blue Jays.
56:12 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, that Carri Carpenter thing is legit my Roman Empire.
56:16 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I wake up at before five in the morning to get on the radio.
56:19 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the first things that always pops into my head.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The last six weeks, eight weeks.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Carri Carpenter George Kirby.
56:25 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm eating a meal.
56:25 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Carri Carpenter George Kirby.
56:27 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting ready for a podcast.
56:29 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby, Carri Carpenter.
56:31 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't end.
56:34 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The year's going to be 2080, while I was going to be 83 years old, he's going to be sitting there barely able to get the fork in his mouth, these trying to eat, whatever advanced food slot we have for him, once we get to that year, and he's going to, as his hand is shaking, bringing it up to his mouth, he's going to be like,
56:59 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that matchup, well, just oh, that was sad.
57:03 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That was sad, but they walking around spring training.
57:06 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna be watching like, like Kyle Tucker could be walking past the spring training.
57:11 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna be like, okay, Tucker, carry carpenter.
57:16 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Carry carpenter.
57:18 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, it's not gonna end.
57:19 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I was serious about that in real time.
57:21 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know if I'm ever going to get over this.
57:23 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I may not.
57:26 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, local.
57:27 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
57:30 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You want it in tell if there's the intel that's really I will get up before five in the morning and I'm like thinking about carry carpenter and not about against Kirby It's like how exactly did games fire not come in that game.
57:39 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Well at least your transparent and you admit it dog.
57:43 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not bottling it up and you're not letting it eat at you for years You're just being forward with the people That is true although I probably will let it eat at me for years if you think and if you think otherwise You haven't listened to the pod long enough, but hey transparency
58:00 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you guys are awesome, seriously.
58:02 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like to everybody that tags this and all the Spotify rap stuff and listens, you guys are seriously the best.
58:08 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to you guys, shout out to all of our mailbag questions on Patreon.
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58:19 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We answer a bunch of them from all of our Patreon members.
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58:30 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_01]: With that, that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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59:02 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle.
59:04 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in.
59:06 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk to you from the winter meetings next week.
59:08 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, as always, we'll talk to you soon.