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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 336 of the Marine Lair podcast.
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01:10 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening December 11th and I want to sit here and I want to give myself and Lail a gold star for our performance of what we had to do this week at the winter meetings not only did we you know have our time down there we flew down there We've socialized to the ones who've done a bunch of people learned a bunch of things that you heard here on the podcast
01:38 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: we didn't get very much sleep and to uh to cap it all off we thought man it would just be nicely taken nice night time 615 flight home on Wednesday evening you get back at 945 you could be I don't know in bed by 11 o'clock we didn't have anything to tape on Wednesday
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We got delayed.
01:55 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So Lala and I end up touching down at sea tech on Wednesday or Thursday morning technically 130 a.m.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we are only a matter of hours later Not a lot of sleep.
02:07 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle less than me, but still not a whole lot of sleep here to bring you an episode.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I get I got to ask you Lyle.
02:14 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: How you feeling?
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting there.
02:17 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering where you were going with this opening statement or I was sitting here thinking of myself saying are you about to give yourself a pat on the back for Oh, look at all the stuff I did this week and then you're I was and then I see that it turns to Oh, no, you're talking about our total lack of sleep, which is a hundred percent facts Yeah, I don't think I've ever had a situation before where
02:38 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I land at the airport in the wee hours of the night, like in the middle of the night at one thirty two in the morning, which is what happened here on I guess Thursday morning, but I'd say we're power and through because then I also got up like two hours later to go on the radio still, but yeah, it was a it was a whirlwind of a trip back, amazing time down in Orlando, but whirlwind of a trip back that I really wouldn't really wouldn't wish on anybody.
03:08 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to pack in the amount of things that we packed in, like the average bedtime for us during the winter meetings, and this might change as we get older, I know.
03:16 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the elder people that we've talked to, whether they're, I don't know, 35 or their 55, and they've been to 10 or so winter meetings and have gotten it all out of their system.
03:27 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The average bedtime for us, I think, was like three, three.
03:30 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're not just, you know, sitting there getting drunk the whole time and partying it up with all the other baseball executives.
03:37 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: as well if you're anybody remembers from last year allow mentions the hotel bar scene on monday night Tuesday night where a lot of people just sort of hang out most of the baseball media members don't get to see each other more than once or twice a year so this is the opportunity to do so and socialize and
03:53 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: probably the best time to network because everyone is lubricated and much more open to talking than they are uh... during the day but you know loud and i try and we've worked in during all this as well so it's just you know kind of stacks up and i mean we started our who started our trip going to bed at
04:08 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: 340 in the morning on Sunday night.
04:13 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've, you know, I thought that sort of properly set the tone, but I'd say it was totally worth it.
04:18 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know we got a couple of mail-back questions asking us about winter meetings.
04:21 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Winter meetings related things, but I'll just say it was, it was a blast, and I'm glad we got to go.
04:26 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it always is.
04:27 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first two years we've done this, it's totally even worth the trip.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
04:31 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: how long will it be before we start cutting our night short?
04:34 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, it may be a while because look at a lot of the people that stay out as late as we did that are much older than us.
04:40 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's sure some people went to bed, but there's a lot of people that stayed out plenty.
04:44 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Greg Amsinger, for example, at MLB Network, I mean, he was out until the place, basically,
04:51 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: closed down and he's got to be on MLB network the next day and I'm not sitting here saying Greg's doing some heavy drinking he's not like he's he's just they're talking to a million people because he's such a he's got such a personality he's such an extravert that he's talking to everybody so I don't I don't know if we're going to have that anytime soon he's gotten a lot of practice too and then there's people like Jeff Passen who are in a suit all night
05:16 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he doesn't get to change at all.
05:19 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised he doesn't ever change.
05:21 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I get it if he has to be on TV, but I'm surprised once he's done that he doesn't have something else that he puts on.
05:28 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably because he thinks if he's going to go back up to his room, he's going to pass out.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to bathe downstairs.
05:34 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: that could be or he just knows it's just it's such a part of his brand at this point.
05:38 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe suits are really comfortable.
05:40 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never worn a suit that is overwhelmingly comfortable, but maybe his arm.
05:44 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's Jeff Pass and he could probably afford it.
05:47 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Which by the way, far and away I would say the most popular person at the winter meetings, at least in the media world.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel a little bad for him?
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That he's that popular?
06:00 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: In some ways, because it's like every step he takes, somebody wants to talk to him.
06:06 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we've stopped in talk to him for a minute or two, but again, like every single person wants minimum that amount of time, if not more.
06:14 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's hard.
06:16 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year was even worse when there was a point in time where we saw him just legitimately getting swarmed.
06:23 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's almost exactly what most athletes feel.
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I'd say famous athletes.
06:29 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You could, you could be, you know, a Seahawk second string corner back and not have to worry about that.
06:37 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But most of the star players, I mean, that's pretty, you know, pretty verbatim.
06:42 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But athletes don't have to go to winter meetings, really.
06:45 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, for that example, to just spend that off of what you just said, he's been really good this year.
06:51 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get this twisted, but I don't think Josh Job's getting stopped every five feet.
06:56 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Really good player, but he's not getting stopped every, every, every step he takes.
06:59 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: know and athletes again have a little bit more freedom of what situations they put themselves in.
07:05 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, if you think about the winter meetings from from the Jeff pass and popularity perspective, all the media members want to talk to him because he's full of information and he's a good get-in-oh, he's an incredibly nice student, he's funny, he tells great stories, etc.
07:20 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: but then there's the job seekers and then there's the young media members like ourselves who don't have a much like we know like we've talked to Jeff a couple of times now.
07:30 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he recognized our faces but we're not like friends or anything but we live with what this is our opportunity to actually go talk to Jeff past.
07:39 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The only opportunity really we really get all year unless he comes to Seattle.
07:42 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So we try to take that opportunity.
07:45 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: the thing is there are other people where that is also the only situation and you're just like you're waiting like kind of waiting your turn to go talk to them.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.
07:53 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, one, he's just fun to talk to, but two, for anybody listening, like,
07:59 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: just full transparency do we hope all these times meeting them eventually leads to him coming on the pod one day of course like what course we're trying to work on that so if you want to peek behind the curtain with that stuff like you know he's certainly one of our white whale guests like like TJ said i think he knows who we are at this point i'm guessing i'm guessing the broken salt thing helps a little bit too since i think he knows i'm like a part of
08:25 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think yeah, we met them three times twice at the meetings once last year in spring training.
08:29 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, like, to your point when people see everybody kind of takes their chance.
08:35 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't even mention with all the different media people and job seekers that talk to them.
08:39 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't mention all the execs that'll talk to them.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The baseball execs, all the agents that will work.
08:45 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right all the agents that'll talk to him factor in anybody else any any brands that are there that want to talk to him I mean it is everyone everyone.
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He is he's information scooping.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the I don't know who's a huge rock star.
09:00 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the Paul McCartney of the winter meetings.
09:03 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the beetles of the winter meetings.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you should pull that one out on Brock and sock
09:07 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine, he's the Drake's Drake's phone off.
09:12 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the, I don't know, you want to call up the like M&M of the winner meetings back in the 2000s?
09:20 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
09:20 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that part works.
09:23 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The other, I mean, one of the other newsbreakers that I think we picked up on a little bit more is watching like John Hayman, a lot of.
09:30 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Take laps.
09:30 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this, John Hayman, I will give him all of the credit in the world for this.
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He is just like,
09:35 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He is scoop sitting throughout the entire winter meetings.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If you see you, you guys see him.
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's always tweeting all day.
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got any sort of rumor he hears.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's putting it out there for the people to see.
09:46 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, you know, there's a few rumors that have caused some questions that will answer here today on the mailbag.
09:50 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But John Hayman, it's not like John Hayman scooping throughout the day and then going to bed at like 10 p.m.
09:56 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He is stone cold sober.
09:58 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: walking up and down the halls until like two in the morning.
10:01 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can see him taking laps between the two holtoes because while the winter meetings were at the signal, the Waldorf story was connected via like a very long convention center hallway like way down on the end.
10:14 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And John Hayman throughout the entire day, his literal job is walking up, been down, and up, and down, and up, and down, and down.
10:22 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: to talk to people and to get information.
10:25 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like 130 in the morning, everyone's at the bar.
10:29 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had three IPAs at this point.
10:31 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And John Hayman's got his water bottle, and he's sitting, and he's just texting.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just texting away.
10:36 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's always doing.
10:38 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:39 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing about Hayman is the man tweets a lot of rumors and not always the ton of breaking news.
10:44 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're passing, for example, and this is another reason happens to go to this stuff.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He only tweets when there's news, and he's almost always first.
10:53 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what makes him unique.
10:56 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We do appreciate rumors though, because it gives us content.
10:59 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: John Haven does give us stuff to talk about, even if he hates the Mariners.
11:04 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If Jeff Passen was the only baseball newsbreaker we would have a lot less content.
11:09 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
11:10 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very, very true.
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was a good one.
11:12 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a blast of the winter meetings this year.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I did like it more than Texas.
11:16 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought.
11:17 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:17 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a little bit better of a setup.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were way more people there.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
11:23 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everybody has to get it in this year because they're ain't gonna be one next year.
11:27 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably a half percent chance that happens next year.
11:31 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some miracle that the owners and players are able to figure out the CBA within the first.
11:38 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it expire December 1st?
11:40 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be the first week of, or week four to five days of the CBA expiring, which I'll just let everyone know,
11:52 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Then there would be a winner meeting that they figured it out, but it is very unlikely they figured it out, and if there's no CBA in place, there's no reason for all that to happen, because no one can, nothing can happen if there's no CBA, but I think there's like a, there would be a minor league one, I think, but significantly less important.
12:13 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:15 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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13:30 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one comes from Josh on Patreon, and Josh's question is, who are the best backup catcher options?
13:36 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that we've traded our future MVP backup catcher.
13:39 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the future shade gilders Alexander.
13:44 --> 13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:44 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I feel like the one that jumps out the most is probably Jonah Heim.
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a couple people making this comparison on Twitter.
13:52 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Our friend Luke Arkens made the comparison on Twitter about what Mitch Garver's done this pat, what Mitch Garver did this past year and what Jonah Heim did wasn't that different.
14:01 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Heim there's more of an emphasis on the defense and he's out there.
14:05 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been in the division.
14:06 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And he obviously knows this team.
14:09 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not going to be Garver, I would say he's the one that jumped out the most to me.
14:14 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What about Danny Janssen?
14:16 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've talked about him plenty over the last couple years.
14:19 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, again, I'm not going to be up in arms about many backup catchers.
14:24 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You could throw a bunch of names out there that are story journeymen in the game.
14:28 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd say, sure, I could buy into that.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be in for Danny Janssen.
14:32 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Janssen would give you the ability to really get Kell off his feet.
14:35 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: His defense,
14:37 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: as far as I know it's not it's not some like he's not some unbelievable defensive catcher but his bat among all of the quote unquote backup catchers available would be the best one so you would see the the smallest drop off if you're a stick jansson behind the plate and caldeh as opposed to a different one
14:57 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: like an Austin head just for example who I would be down for as a backup catcher but when you put them in the lineup it's a black hole in the lineup despite the fact you're the defense find the plate would be really good
15:08 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: the victor caretini's available to like you got a ton of playing time in the astros this year but he's not it's not always been in every day catcher dating jensen meanwhile has always been a either a backup or a platoon catcher the other thing we heard at the winter meetings is that the mariner's would go like try and bring in one major league backup catcher and then one trip play guy who would definitely be ready to come up to the majors if they need him
15:35 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that guy is going to be Jacob nodding him because he's a free agent and he is literally done that one there.
15:40 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's been in the org forever now.
15:42 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So the fact he's been around it just feels like they'll bring him back.
15:47 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of what they do.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So those, I'd say those are the options.
15:51 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe throw Christian Vasquez in there too, but yeah, for the most part.
15:56 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: it's not the most robust topic to talk about but thank you Josh there there are definitely some backup catcher options if you think about it this way the free agent catchers that are available jt real mudo is really the only starter on that on that list of the currently available guys there could be a trade trade targets i'm just not as familiar with it we're talking about backup catchers
16:20 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Teams are not going to go flaunt if the Giants backup catchers available, or the the Rockies backup catchers available, although I don't know if anyone wants the Rockies backup catcher, but you know, point made.
16:34 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:34 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So next question comes from Michael on Patreon.
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a good question.
16:40 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael asks, you guys have talked about the quote-unquote one Soto Package for Katell Martai.
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you really think the, uh, what she says is not worth it?
16:49 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he pivot sort of the tie to sense, says, do you really think the cardinals will need a starter to give up Brennan Donovan, uh, and how would you compare a Brennan Donovan and Catell Marte in terms of what the Mariners would need to, or how they would fit on the Mariners roster and what they actually need?
17:09 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'll answer the first part of this question.
17:13 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: and in terms of what it costs to starter to trade for Brendan Donovan, maybe not in the end.
17:19 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe in the end it wouldn't cost one of your five starting pitchers in the big leagues.
17:23 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But at least for now, I would assume that the Cardinals are pretty...
17:28 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: steadfast on that because they're going to try to get as much value as they can and we mentioned this this week of the winter meetings that Matt Pierpont who's now the Cardinals director of pitching wasn't Seattle and knows all these guys very well.
17:40 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure there's certain guys that he would absolutely circle and say get him, get him.
17:44 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was always a big Bryce Miller fan.
17:48 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So
17:49 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the Cardinals, obviously you don't have to trade the guy and you do have a little bit of leverage because it's not like he has only one year until free agency.
17:57 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure they try to push for a starter from the Mariners.
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it end up being a starter?
18:02 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not, and maybe eventually asking prices come down.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure that's the starting point.
18:08 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've said we're not giving up a starter for Brennan down because he's not a good enough baseball player.
18:13 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to make the Mariners good enough to give it up.
18:16 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm with you while will the right this very second, the Cardinals need a starter for Brennan down of it.
18:24 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But that does not mean it's eventually going to be Brennan down of it.
18:29 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say Ryan Davis was talking on Jason Puckett's podcast about
18:34 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan Donovan and it sounds like the mariners are pretty interested in Brennan Donovan like they've They they've got their eyes on him and they and I think division specifically whether or not they sign Palanco they're gonna be interested no matter what which let me just say that that would be awesome If you re-sign Palanco and then you also get Donovan in here
18:56 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That does so many things because that doesn't rush cold Emerson into anything.
19:01 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Then all of a sudden, you've got Donovan playing second on a lot of days with Pelonco de Hing and on days where Pelonco can play second base, Donovan can slide over to third and you can put it.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously a lot of days call, young would be at second.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You can mix Ben Williamson into third base to start the year.
19:19 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then that let's cold Emerson get some time down in Triple A to really, really make sure he is as ready as humanly possible.
19:26 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when he's fully ready to play, you figure it out.
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously like,
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When Colts ready to get up to the big leagues, he's not going to be riding the bench.
19:33 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be playing, but then you don't have to rush it.
19:36 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to force it.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And when he's ready, you figure it out.
19:40 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What about the second part of this question of how Brennan Donovan grades out versus Catel Martane in terms of what the Mariners need out of a player they're acquiring?
19:51 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it could tell obviously a star and maybe a super star would be a more fair way to put it.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So, do the Mariners need star power?
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, every team can use more star power.
20:02 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think having a guy that is a top 10 hitter in the league and could totally change the top of your line about offensively is the bigger need.
20:10 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're looking for value given up versus production, you can make an argument for Donovan there, especially if it doesn't end up costing one of your starting pitchers that the price would be less, he'd come in, maybe he'd be a couple wins worse than Marta by war, but as a player,
20:28 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: gets on base draws his walks does not strike out.
20:32 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just the best way to describe him is just such a solid baseball player.
20:36 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's steady.
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's consistent and you know what you're going to get out of the guy.
20:39 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be a superstar, but he's going to be very, very good, very steady and a guy that you can really rely on.
20:46 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing Brighton Donovan really has on Catell Marta besides at this point of his career position on versatility is his age.
20:53 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's quite a bit younger and there's less money committed to him for the future, which for the Mariners is important.
21:01 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Catell wipes the board offensively in every single category average power.
21:08 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: you name it.
21:10 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Defense, they're about the same.
21:12 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're slightly below average to average defenders in for Catel Martaia at second base and for Brennan Donovan at all of his positions outfield second base and third base.
21:27 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Catel aging is really sort of the the worry with that as opposed to Donovan you're not really worried about his him aging because you were not going to control him for that long.
21:37 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone did mention to us that Catel Marta could be a DH halfway through their control you have left.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's something you have to consider with this as well.
21:46 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: What I wrote down was this when you if you're grading the two of them in terms of how they fit on the Mariners and if that would affect if you would acquire them.
21:54 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Burn in Donovan is so you get a few on a supplemental piece.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Could tell more days who you would get if you want to star.
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But I wouldn't trade for either of them at the current price.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
22:04 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with that.
22:06 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question for the mailbag comes from Zander on Patreon and Zander's question is, who are the notable people we got to meet and socialize with at the winter meetings?
22:18 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple different categories for this.
22:19 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So we could do the media side of it.
22:24 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: players, not player side of it, but X player side of it.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And those are probably the two categories.
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Media wise, again, we did get to talk to Jeff Passons, so that was very cool.
22:34 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say the newsbreaker we've gotten to know the best of all of them is Robert Murray and part of that's probably because he's pretty close and aged to the two of us.
22:43 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's only two years older than us, I think.
22:46 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's great.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.
22:47 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, he's the one who broke the Rafi Devers news this year and had the scoop on that trade.
22:53 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously that was a monumental massive day on the baseball calendar this year because nobody expected it.
22:59 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, got to know him.
23:00 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the man, by the way, certainly somebody we hope to get on the pie cast in the near future.
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We've gotten to talk to him at both of the last couple of winter meetings.
23:08 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two were really awesome.
23:11 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we always love seeing our friends Jake and Jordan from SESPA's Family Barbecue.
23:16 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you'll fill in some of the others that I'm going to miss here, but I'm thinking about the media side of it first.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The John Boy guys.
23:23 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, all right.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got to meet a ton of the John Boy guys.
23:26 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll not Jimmy himself, but the ones that were there, which was Jake, who we got to talk to.
23:31 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Jolly Olive, who's been on the pod, who we got to stand and talk to for a while, a couple of their producers who are great, like David, who goes by BBD on Twitter and on John Boy.
23:44 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't know if some of you know some of the other baseball YouTubers out there, but there were a few of those guys there too.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Guy by the name of Robbie Hyde who's got a really good YouTube following.
23:53 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Boston guy, the two guys who run both the channel, and that's baseball, and then start craving sports, which both have over 80 subs on YouTube.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Those guys were at the winter meetings.
24:05 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So there was definitely a bunch of note-worthy media people and content people that we got to talk to.
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was a blast if I fill out the media side of it well.
24:12 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course our friends at just baseball is we don't get to see all of them in person all the time.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So right.
24:18 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They're always great along with the usual Mariners Motley crew David Jude Daniel Cramer like they were obviously there.
24:26 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So we talked we spent some time with them to and then in terms of players.
24:31 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the coolest conversation we had was with Chris Archer Chris Archer was great.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He was walking by.
24:37 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We were sitting.
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We were trying to get some work done.
24:39 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think
24:39 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the tables in the hallway and he comes walking by and Lile pokes me in his like set Chris Archer maybe because his hair's a lot shorter now you remember he used to play used to have really long hair.
24:51 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he works for the Dodgers on their pitching side.
24:55 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: and he was happy to stand and talk like they all said hey working in baseball now and he like resonated right away and we had a really good really fun conversation with him he was great to talk to Xavier Scruggs was very nice we got him on our other channel bullpen banner stay tuned for that it will be out at some point another one oh another one very niche mariner jay clam yes
25:24 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I went to Blanchet.
25:26 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, was part of the Mariners 22 team, the broke the drought.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, there might be a lot of things.
25:32 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I am not proficient in in this life.
25:36 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, I will put myself maybe in the top three percentile of the world in recognizing faces of baseball players.
25:46 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm telling you, speaking of this hotel bar sitting, right?
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's,
25:51 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: into the night.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's packed at this place.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's standing around and talking.
25:55 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost not a mosh pit, but there is a lot of people out.
25:58 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, from halfway across the room, I see somebody I recognize and I look over to TJ and I say,
26:06 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that Jake Lamb of all people?
26:09 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Jake Lamb, that's who I spotted.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of it being he was a mariner.
26:13 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Seattle guy, but I was like, I swear that's him.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I look up a picture and I was right.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So we went over to talk to the guy and say my idea.
26:21 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's at the winter meetings because it sounds like he could be interested in working in baseball at some point.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Now post-career, he was very nice.
26:28 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Talked about growing up and Seattle a little bit.
26:30 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about, you know, it's time with the mariner's a little bit.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was fun.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then there's a big one.
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't really talk with him, but we did get interview him.
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Nelson Cruz.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's cool.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:42 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really cool.
26:44 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll collab, it was for our bullpen man or channel, but we'll collab at least on Instagram with the podcast.
26:49 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But everything they say about Nellie is true in terms of him being just unbelievably nice.
26:55 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It was incredibly nice when we talked to him.
26:57 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He was very nice.
26:58 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to give away the topic yet because I want to save it, but he did give, give you a Nelson Cruz smile.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He did, he did really enjoy it.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to see that.
27:07 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and then even after, since we told them we're Seattle guys that he was happy to just kind of stand and talk for a couple minutes after, which was, which was really fun.
27:15 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So definitely some note where the player is, yeah, I would say the Chris Archer one was fascinating, especially because he seemed very, very analytically tuned in.
27:24 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it sounded like he was like that when he was a player too.
27:27 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But it just wasn't as he said, it wasn't as flushed out back then.
27:31 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't the best way he described it was there was no not as much why why the players were doing the things they are.
27:38 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And now the the the the the data is more digestible.
27:44 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Very much because now there's more sites that back it up and they're easier for the general public to understand like baseball.
27:50 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So the on, for example, but yeah, that's 100% right.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's I mean,
27:56 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he sounds like somebody who could be interested one day in doing some sort of front office role.
28:03 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it'll be tomorrow, and again, he has a job with the Dodgers, but sounded like somebody that could be interested in that route.
28:10 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
28:11 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I always think it's cool with these things, because it happened a little bit last year, too, to get to talk to some of the players, post careers for them, that you grew up watching.
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the two of us, we grew up watching Chris Archer.
28:22 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he was the best pitcher in the league, but he was really good.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He was certainly a staple of the race rotation for a long time.
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to see him plenty.
28:30 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was kind of cool for somebody that we watched as a, you know, in junior high high school going through it.
28:36 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we just got to talk face to face, very casually post-grayer.
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fun.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: and Jake Lam, I could say the same thing.
28:42 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He was never the best player on the dab of axe, but he was a pretty key contributor to those teams when we were in college.
28:48 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when we go get tickets for like two bucks, he was playing for those teams.
28:53 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he had some really good years in Arizona here.
28:56 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking it up on the fly.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: His best year.
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he had a 30.
28:59 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: 100 season 30 home runs 105 RBI's 844 OPS that was in 17.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He made the all-star game.
29:06 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He has some good years.
29:07 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But of course everyone on this pod remembers his legendary stand on the mariners.
29:12 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes.
29:17 --> 29:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well that was a good question.
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Zander.
29:19 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's people we're forgetting because we talked to so many people, but those that's just I'd say a decent summary.
29:26 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll throw in one more because he was unbelievably nice and down to earth, but if anybody follows any of Russell Dorsey's work from Apple TV and from Yahoo, that was one more on the media side who was great.
29:37 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, certainly.
29:38 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Alan on Patreon.
29:41 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Alan's question is, since Catel Marta seems like he's going to be too expensive to trade for, who do you think that what do you think the Mariners should do?
29:48 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They signed Polanco, or trade for Donovan, or do something unexpected like trade for Stephen Quan.
29:56 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just buying more and more into the idea of running it back and signing polonco.
30:03 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if they bring polonco back and get another back, great.
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's pick one,
30:09 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just really starting to buy more into the idea of, do what you know has worked.
30:14 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about this over the week at the Winter Meetings, and I think we're both starting to understand this and grasp this idea more.
30:21 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think part of the reason the Mariners want to run it back, in addition to they already know how good they were with this team last year,
30:27 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: is how many times have you tried to bring in a shiny new toy, and it just has not worked.
30:33 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: No matter how many different profiles you've tried, Jesse Winker, right?
30:37 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Controls the Strikes Zone.
30:38 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: hits a bunch of doubles.
30:40 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Should be able to run up a high OPS.
30:42 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: disaster in Seattle, and once he had to play in a big outfield, disaster, way more than Cincinnati.
30:49 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you have Tay Oscar, right in 23, and you say, all right, winkered in work, but this guy hits the ball as hard as anybody in the game, he will just rip right through the Marine Lair.
30:58 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: His hard hit rage should, should cut the Marine Lair, factor right in half, he'll just crush and he also dominates left handed pitching.
31:05 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't work.
31:06 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, tried Garver and Polo in 24 with, again, profiles that mostly suggested they should have success here in Seattle didn't work.
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, we work for Polo in 25.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the difference.
31:20 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But how many times, especially in year one, if they brought in these shiny new toys, and it just continues to fall flat.
31:26 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to throw Colton Wong into that, certainly him too.
31:29 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: where they know this group, it works.
31:32 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you have to pay a little extra for Polanco to get them back, I'm just buying more and more into that.
31:39 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Polanco is the most likely, and I think it would make them the best.
31:44 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, at this rate, if the Donovan trade price comes down, getting both of them is exactly what they need.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking about just completely raising the floor of this team,
31:54 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That right there will do it because instead of having to rely on one of Cole Young or Ben Williamson to have a breakout season You have someone you know is gonna be a two-and-a-half win player play average defense and be a 15% above league average hitter at the plate That can play out field third base and second base a long side a person who you know can d h 60 to 70% of the time and Be 20% of league average as a hitter.
32:18 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what good teams are.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just at with the Mariners would at this point are just stacking good players
32:23 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Cuan, it just doesn't, it doesn't seem as worth it.
32:28 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you'd be paying a higher price because Cleveland is expecting to be good if you wanted to trade him.
32:36 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got two years of control left.
32:39 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But if Brennan Donovan is going to cost a starter right this second, then I can tell you Steven Quant is also going to cost a starter right this second.
32:47 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And what it good does it do you if you have to trade a starter for Steven Quant, who last year had a WRC plus below 100, he said two good offensive seasons and two seasons where he's I think had it exactly 99 WRC plus.
32:59 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then trade on one of your starters to an American league competitor, I would not would not be in for that.
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: For at some price, sure doesn't seem to make as much sense.
33:11 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I add one Catell Marta, no get that we didn't mention before?
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
33:17 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So when we talk about Catell Marta and Alan mentions Catell Marta and this question being too expensive.
33:25 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even
33:30 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Some stuff, I think we picked up on in the last couple of days of the winter meetings that we had not, I think, asked enough about in our previous conversations about the clubhouse concerns of Catelmarte.
33:44 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone in the industry told us that they would not trade for Catelmarte.
33:49 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And it has nothing to do with the baseball player, right?
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not how he would age.
33:54 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the fact he might be a DH soon.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not of that.
34:00 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: it I think has more to do with the non baseball stuff and we actually we heard it more than once and we heard yeah I would I would absolutely stay away from them.
34:09 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So if that's what you hear from again people we certainly trust down at the winter meetings, multiple times paired with how much the trade package is seemingly going to be.
34:20 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm out.
34:21 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw this today, speaking of trade packages, but last little could tell nugget.
34:25 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Nick Pocoro down in Arizona, the Arizona Republic reported that at one point over the last couple weeks, the Diamondbacks and the race discussed at Catelmark T-Trade, which side note the race of all people want to trade from, I don't get it.
34:37 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But the contracts affordable for them will sure.
34:41 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What was being discussed was Ryan Pepeo and Shane Bos as a starter, and I think it would end up being more.
34:47 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the cost, again, that's then the Mariners are out because that's reportedly what the two teams were talking about.
34:55 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's two big league starters.
34:59 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If the price is right, I'm trading for Katell Clubhouse issues aside, because there's only so many chances you get to add a cost controlled star to your team.
35:08 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the production would outweigh the other things.
35:12 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Given the Mariners have various established stars on their team who run the Clubhouse, and would not need Katell to do that.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But it does definitely give me some more hesitancy.
35:22 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say, with the price, like the one you just suggested, like the price we threw out earlier this week, and all these things we've heard about his off-field things, which doesn't make me feel great.
35:33 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And means, and probably, the mayor, I would assume the mayor and her understand a lot of this information.
35:39 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They ask questions.
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They vet a lot of their players.
35:42 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Why they're probably pushing pretty hard for Jorge Placo.
35:46 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, if the Mariners magically do trade for Catelmarte, I bet you the last Josh Nailar about him before hitting send on that deal.
35:52 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: For a guy that works as hard as Nailar does and is as dedicating to winning as Nailar is, I bet you they'll ask him, what do you think a Catelmarte would you think about him when you played with them?
36:02 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if we're never going to know, but is there a world Nailar could say, yeah, he, like, didn't love it.
36:10 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a world where he could say that.
36:13 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Ben on Instagram and Ben is a trade proposal for us.
36:19 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The Boston Red Sox get Luis Castillo and Randy Oros Arena.
36:23 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners get Willier Abraio.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
36:28 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You get a lot of club control in Willier Abraio and again we discuss these a good player.
36:32 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But that would involve the Red Sox taking on a ton of money and the fact that the Mariners still lose a starting pitcher in that deal.
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: and all star outfielder.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the club control of William and I do.
36:48 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think this has more to do with the fact that I'm not sure the red socks take on all of that cash in exchange for a club controlled outfielder.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That takes the red socks out of free agency for this year.
37:04 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If they took that on, because that's about $40 million.
37:08 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of money they'd be taking on, and they also don't need Randy.
37:13 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how they would rationalize trading for Randy Rosarina and his contract when they already have three outfielders, all of whom make less than Randy does.
37:25 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And they call it like they could each will get an all or probably better defenders than Randy and all might be better than Randy period.
37:33 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So the the why Ben through this trade out as he says okay now you have $40 million extra to spend this off season what what should you go do.
37:42 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean if the Mariners magically had $40 million in cash sitting around to play around with this off season.
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be Alex pregnant.
37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it would be.
37:53 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's where I would go.
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, which may lead us to our next mailbag.
37:59 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, that's why I put these questions next to each other because right after that, Mike asks on X.
38:05 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys think Alex pregnant really wants to come play for the Mariners or do you think Scott Boris was trying to market for him?
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a leverage play on both sides.
38:15 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I really would not read much into this.
38:18 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Alex Breggman's signing in Seattle as fun as it would be.
38:21 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That says to me both that Scott Boris doesn't like where the market is right now for Alex Breggman.
38:26 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's trying to throw other teams out there as a leverage play.
38:29 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, the Mariners could be using that as a little bit of leverage for Jorge Palanco, too, where all these names that they're interested in,
38:38 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They may really be interested.
38:40 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan, they may for real be interested in.
38:42 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But all these other ones that are out there allow, marté, others.
38:47 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Breggman could be a plate of Polanco's camp and say, say, we're interested in other people, we're in talks with other people.
38:55 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There's other options we can pivot to.
38:57 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think on both sides, this is a leverage play, and there will be no Alex Breggman sadly in Seattle.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I really trust the Seattle Times reporting.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe,
39:06 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they did report this and that sure Scott Bores did talk to the Mariners.
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not thinking that Alex Breckman is actually that interested in coming to Seattle.
39:17 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if his market really isn't shaping up how it is, he's going to need to take another short-term deal to go back out onto the free agent market to finally find a favorable team and have maybe a full healthy season and then go out on the free agent market.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he do that in Seattle?
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No reason.
39:34 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be the worst possible place he could go.
39:36 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is me just saying that because team mobile park suffocates offense.
39:41 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And especially guys who don't have who are over the age of 30 and Alex pregnant doesn't have elite bad at ball data anymore.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just it doesn't make as much sense.
39:52 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But also for the Mariners given their current budget does not it's not anything they've ever said they do.
40:00 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: they don't sign guys to absurd A.V.
40:03 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: contracts in the short term like they outsprequent signed with the Red Sox this past ob season and they're also not going to sign a guy over the age of 30 to a long-term deal to bring that A.V.
40:13 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: down like they've been they've been as hand down on that as possible yeah so how exactly they'd have to totally break precedent and if they're going to do this so yeah I don't see it
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm with you.
40:29 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be great.
40:30 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be all for Alex pregnant coming to Seattle, but the price is going to be really expensive.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Mariners want to pay it.
40:36 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And truthfully, I don't really think Scott Boris wants, has much interest in setting pregnant to Seattle.
40:42 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from gray order on YouTube, and the question is, I saw a rumor that Cubs may be willing to trade Nico Horner.
40:50 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Should the Mariners be interested?
40:53 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
40:54 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This would probably more depend on if Polanco were to go somewhere else.
40:59 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he does, yeah, now he just had his best season.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He just had the highest worst season.
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's put up in his career.
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He just had his best season at the plate.
41:08 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's only got a year left before free agency.
41:10 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's some ways you could work about this if you were to go and get Nico Horner that would probably involve not having to give up coal young either.
41:17 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if he's only going to be there for one year,
41:19 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: you could probably still keep coal-young, let him develop for another year, whether it be in the big leagues and or the minor leagues, and then let him run with it after that, while letting Nico Warner play second days in 2026.
41:32 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is only going to happen if they were to see Polanco go elsewhere, but otherwise, yeah.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: in the price one'd be crazy too.
41:42 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be taking on $12 million for next season and given the fact he's only got one year of control.
41:48 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you'd only have to give up one of your 50 to 100.
41:53 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like guys that are ranked in the top 100 major league prospects, one of them ranked from 50 to 100 to get him.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably it.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And your production at second base would skyrocket.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So this guy steals 30 bags,
42:08 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: is like 5 to 9% better than League Average as a hitter, and he's a supreme defender.
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so valuable.
42:17 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If his bat is above League Average, he's valuable in all three phases of the game.
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Base running, defense, and offense.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
42:26 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be more valuable than bread and down of it, and you wouldn't have to pay as much.
42:31 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:32 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I just would be a little surprise that the cops were going to trade them now I get it he's got a year left till free agency and maybe they feel like they won't get a deal done but they were just in the playoffs last year and if they're not going to bring Kyle Tucker back or they really just going to trade pieces off.
42:49 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: this would make more sense of the deadline.
42:51 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners in field, let's say things haven't gone well for Ben, Colt, or Colt during the season, and yet to the deadline and the Cubs are 500 or maybe well below 500 and aren't really feeling it, that would be the opportunity to go trade for Nico Horner.
43:07 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It also helped the Mariners out from a budget perspective because you'd only have to take on $4 million instead of 12.
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea.
43:15 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Nico Horner's great.
43:17 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He makes makes you better in every fast that you need to get better in.
43:21 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The mayor said they need another infield bat.
43:23 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he'd been infield bat and he arguably have be more productive than
43:28 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to roll a young guy out there, Mariners need better defense on their infield.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great defender.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners need better base for honor, too.
43:35 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a real good base for honor, though.
43:37 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Sign me up.
43:38 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:39 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Final question on the male bag comes from six point paranormal on Instagram.
43:44 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, please explain to me why having coal young and Ben Williamson playing second base and third base spanning eight and nine in the order is a bad thing.
43:54 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, especially with Cole Young, because you expect him to be your second basement of the future.
43:59 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why when we talk about the idea of signing Polanco and why he fits the roster so well, it factors into this.
44:06 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Having Warhay Polonko on the roster lets Cole Young play pretty regularly because Polonko will de-age.
44:11 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just on days that Cal needs to de-age.
44:14 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You can move Polonko out to second base once or twice a week, get Cole Young off his feet, and not have to overexpose them either.
44:21 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So for Cole Young, no, I think they fully intend on having him be the everyday second basement moving forward.
44:28 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Williamson, again, it's fine for a small period of time, but again, for a guy that's a great defender and just doesn't have much pop, he doesn't walk.
44:37 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think unless something drastic changes, his future on the team feels like a utility in fielder, which is fine, but you usually don't let utility in fielders start every guy.
44:50 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: bad is the wrong word to describe those two players in the lineup.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They could be good.
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that is the problem right there though.
44:58 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know young players don't have track records to go off of and usually they're more volatile than someone who has been proven like a Brennan Donovan or Jorge Polanco.
45:09 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: you just know what you're getting if you have one of those guys in there.
45:12 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Koliang and theory could surprise us and put up a 130 WRC plus while playing good defense at second base.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know that.
45:20 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just sitting here throwing darts blindly and what kind of production you're going to get from any of your three young infielders.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And that includes top prospect Colt Emerson.
45:29 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Colt Emerson by every account should be really good in the majors.
45:34 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know that, because he's never seen a single major league pitch in his entire life.
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you just, you don't know.
45:41 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And when your team trying to go win a world series in 2026, you want to take out as much unknown as possible.
45:49 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners, almost every other spot on the roster, have taken out the unknown.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Bullpen, you feel like you have a pretty good idea.
45:55 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks sounds like they're still trying to upgrade it, but for the most part,
45:59 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_01]: the unknown is gone from there, the starting rotation has been your starting rotation for each of the last two full seasons.
46:06 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And most of your other position players are known, just those two positions.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you want to flush them out a little bit.
46:13 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you want to give yourself a little bit more sturdy ground to stand on.
46:17 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And almost every theme goes into the year with some position.
46:21 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: having a little bit of unknown.
46:23 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Most teams do not have every single position, 100% solidified.
46:27 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you need reinforcements, that the deadline teams can go out and get it, like the Mariners often do.
46:33 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want to have too many of those.
46:35 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to have one, maybe two, you don't want to have too many.
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly,
46:43 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a part of me that still calls right field and unknown, just because, again, Ken's own limited sample.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Roblaze was good in a limited sample in 24, but injured in 25.
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Rayleigh injured a lot of 25.
46:55 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Good in 24 in a platoon role.
46:57 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't exactly know what that's going to look like.
47:00 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So right now, I would say there's three spots that are in unknown, I guess the H2, because I mean, you don't want to pull on go back right now.
47:08 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have four pretty much unknowns in terms of positions right now on your roster.
47:13 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say you can run out there with two, including right field, but you got to fill two.
47:18 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What benefits the Mariners that they do on a roll with unknowns is that the rest of the American League West has not upgraded at all.
47:25 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, you can argue it's gotten worse.
47:27 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you still are more, more counted than every other team in the division, but you're not just battling the division, you're battling all the other teams in the American League.
47:37 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And given that you know you have the resources right now to go upgrade, you should want to go upgrade.
47:44 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if there was a prospect in that spot, because,
47:47 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: As exciting as a player like Cole Young or Cole Emerson are, known players are more likely to be Good than those guys.
47:56 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just what they've proven over time not big league players versus guys who are not quite solidified big leagueers Yeah, but we'll see that's up to the mariners to decide they make it sound like with all some of the reporting this week that
48:09 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: they're going to give Colt Emerson every chance to win the third base job at spring training.
48:14 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They might already view him as a big leaker and perhaps a very good big leaker.
48:18 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That still does leave one or two spots available on the Mariners roster that is unknown and that could use a solid big leaker in that position.
48:27 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm sure they'll upgrade at least one of these remaining spots.
48:30 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they upgrade one and it's Polanco, it'll be a good roster.
48:33 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it,
48:37 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: there may be more of a level of accountability if they can upgrade two of these spots rather than just one but good question it's it's it's a fair question it's not that we're calling these players bad it's just everyone understands what the goal is now and the goal is to win a world series and to win a world series you have to have as many good players on your roster's possible the manners are in a position to add more good players and they should yeah
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