Lyle and TJ react to the infield market thinning out further with the White Sox signing Munetaka Murakami (2:30). They then discuss if it makes sense for the Mariners to bring back Eugenio Suarez with options waning (11:24).
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00:00 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode number 340 of the Marine Layer podcast is a time for the mariners to think about bringing back A-O-Henio Suarez with the free agent infielder market thinning out.
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00:55 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening December 21st There really is not a lot going on in Marineland and really my only take away as I'm sitting here.
01:10 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There are final up all I guess penultimate episode before Christmas is that if the Mariners want an infielder for Christmas I mean, it is really thinning out right now both mostly in the free agent market and you know the trademark it as well the options seem to be doing a little bit
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just not a lot of new names.
01:29 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: How much more can we possibly talk about Brendan Donovan?
01:33 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have anything new to say about Brendan Donovan.
01:35 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He is still available and the Mariners still seem like they want him, but there's been no moves to be made.
01:40 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We're sitting around waiting for a reaction episode, but there's, there's been nothing.
01:46 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've been talking about Brendan Donovan for what close to a month now.
01:50 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much more we can flesh out here.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've been talking about bringing down a man for like over a year now.
01:56 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but at this ramped up pace in this off season, it's been close to a month.
02:01 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We were at the winter meetings, you know, a couple of weeks ago, even before that, we were starting to talk about him a little bit.
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, we talked about Nico Horner, we're all for it.
02:11 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Catel Marté, you know the upside, and you know the concerns, I don't know how much else we can say about Catel at this point, so we're sitting here and just kind of waiting.
02:19 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done a, we hey, we haven't done a full-fledged Kyle Tucker episode yet.
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_00]: OG, how would Kyle Tucker fit on the Mariners?
02:26 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, he is one of, when healthy, one of the 15 best hitters in baseball.
02:33 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, anyone who gets paid, who's estimated to be paid roughly $300 million, seems like a pretty good baseball player.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd get to stick it to the Astros.
02:43 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I missing anything?
02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, apparently we get, do we get our money back or we get it re-cast if it doesn't happen?
03:02 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Or we see no progress?
03:06 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if he doesn't sign.
03:08 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I feel like if he doesn't sign, I don't remember if it's saying if we get our money back, but the description of the spell said, if there was no results within, I think six to eight weeks, just let the witch know and show re-cast the spell.
03:24 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?
03:25 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
03:26 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So that means even though Kyle Tucker hypothetically in this scenario wouldn't sign with the Mariners, it means that a team's gonna dump his contract after a year or two of being there.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Mariners get them.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Galaxy brain stuff.
03:41 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Kyle Tucker getting traded to the Cubs, increases his chances of coming to the Seattle Mariners.
03:47 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Or Jorge Polanco still being an option for the Mariners in 2026.
03:52 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Just at the Trade Deadline instead.
03:54 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
03:55 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
03:56 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Cory Seager thing that's going around right now.
03:58 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The Ranger is a floated his name out there.
03:59 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still a great player, but they're realizing they don't want to pay all these contracts.
04:03 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And well, maybe they'll trade him.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that'll be a Kyle Tucker thing down the road.
04:09 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll just sign with the Mariners like I've loaded up with you here big on trades here recently because you were floating some Idea to me before we started recording the reason I've come up and and started this episode with The infielder market is thinning out because there was an infielder transaction today a monotocomiracami Who ends up signing with all of all teams the Chicago white socks now?
04:31 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say Monotocomiracami was did not have the white socks at the top of his board once free agency started
04:39 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But as his market seemingly has cratered and no team wanted to offer him any sort of long-term contract, he had to settle for a two year 34 million dollar deal.
04:49 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You were saying to me, he could get traded this off in the middle of the season if he proves to actually be good.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, the white socks are awful.
05:00 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He's on a two-year deal and if they're bad and he's good,
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What do they keep in them for?
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think by the end of 2027, the white socks are even going to be in above 500 team?
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the case, what do you keep in the guy for?
05:15 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think there's a part of me that thinks the white socks inked him to that deal, knowing that if he ends up being good, it's a chance for them to just take on more good prospects.
05:28 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If Moona Talkumerer comic turns out to be this good and he's available at the deadline, would you trade for him?
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the strikeout rate at?
05:39 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where it comes in the conversation of like, what are we calling good?
05:43 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is he going to have 25 home runs in a 31% strikeout rate at the deadline?
05:49 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if that's the season he's having, even with a 105, let's say WRC plus 110.
05:55 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Then no, I don't think the white socks are itching to trade the guy.
05:59 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking if Monataka Murakami somehow, and I don't think this is going to happen, but somehow hits his 100th percentile outcome, where he actually becomes the guy that people dreamed on for years about him when he was in Japan, where he hits 40 plus bombs, and he draws enough walks, and he's gotten sane power, and he's running an OPS in the high 800s, and
06:21 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not striking out a ton, paired with you of a White Sox team that's going to win 60 ball games.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the scenario where I think gay is gone.
06:29 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's just a good player for the White Sox, then yeah, they wouldn't trade him at this deadline.
06:34 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's a, I'll even go higher than the number we just projected in terms of,
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: this discussion.
06:41 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if he's a one 15WRC plus hitter, I think those highs won 20, 120s get into the all storage.
06:49 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's a one 15WRC plus hitter, no, he's not gonna get traded at this deadline.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not gonna be enough demand for him.
06:56 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not gonna be enough of a book out on a matter of half a season where they just dump them.
07:00 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What I'm saying is if he actually lights the absolute world on fire, then I think the white socks would consider trading them.
07:09 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we should spend that much time arguing about this given that this is not a white socks podcast, but I will ask you this question.
07:16 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Since his market cratered as much as it did, I know we just talked about this on the last episode, and you and I have talked about this point of times, non-recording how the profiles
07:32 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: his market created to about as low as it possibly could have gotten do you think there was any chance the matters were in on a number like that i saw a report out there today that said here on sunday that said they were i don't know how credible the sources it's a japanese media all it's got over two million followers but
07:52 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know much about the site and how much credibility it holds.
07:57 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The site said the Mariners Red Sox and Angels were all kicking the tires on them before the White Sox ended up signing them.
08:05 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But would I have done it in the end?
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, still no.
08:08 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think there's a real world he could be striking out 40% of the time in major league baseball.
08:13 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not paying $17 million to a guy who might do that because if you waste that money on him.
08:21 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe bread and out of it doesn't happen.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Nico Horner doesn't happen.
08:24 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're not getting another bullpen arm.
08:26 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's your off season.
08:27 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you've attached the success of the rest of your season.
08:31 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that might be a little bit of a stretch.
08:34 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But you've attached a lot of weight to a guy who you have no idea what his future is going to be.
08:40 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You have no idea if he's going to be good.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So now I'm not paying him $17 million a year.
08:45 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: If he was a legit third basement with the conversation change,
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's still in that strikeout rate.
08:53 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'd be taking a flyer on somebody with 80 grade power, bad with rates, but he's 25 years old at $17 million.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Still know.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I probably still not, too, because your off-season's over if you do that.
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have any more room to improve.
09:14 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you burn through your trade deadline, but you're too.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's possible.
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:20 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I hope Murakami's great because I was fascinated by the player when he was in Japan and I'm fascinated to see what he does stateside, but it just can't work for the Mariners.
09:29 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not enough money in the budget they've given themselves for this offseason.
09:33 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's too many other needs and he is too risky, too volatile.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So no.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's just no fit.
09:39 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, like, if there was a defensive fit, I think there is more of a conversation about this, but he's not going to play third every day.
09:48 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: you have a first baseman that you just paid nearly a hundred million dollars to your dh days you're going to be taken up a good chunk by cow rally who needs those days and he's your best player so you can't have murkami in there the entire time and another left at that.
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: another left-handed bat, yes.
10:07 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Who again has never seen a Major League pitch in a competitive MLB game.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He has in the WBC, but he's not done in Major League basal.
10:15 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I can see that good for the White Sox, he'll probably sell a bunch of tickets, maybe he'll hit him, but hit a bunch of homeruns, and send himself up for a massive payday at age.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be 20 at that time.
10:25 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So it honestly doesn't work out too bad for him.
10:27 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
10:27 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a win-win.
10:28 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets a chance to prove himself, the pressure is really low, and if he plays well, he's going to parlay himself into a really big contract in two years, which by the way, if he's really good in two years, for any Freeman's contracts up with the Dodgers, the Murk-Kommie's really good for the next two years, I'll just save everybody the narratives.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You know where he's going.
10:51 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:51 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know who's paying the most money for him, too.
10:55 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
10:56 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
10:56 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Let, we'll see at the white socks if he is tradable at the deadline, the white socks will keep him to sell tickets, or they'll get prospects back for him because that's the, that was the show hay thing.
11:07 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The angels had a chance to get a historic rental return for show Hay Otoni in 2023.
11:14 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But Ardy Marano was worried that he wouldn't sell as many tickets in the final two months of the season.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So he didn't trade him.
11:19 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And now the angels are as bad as ever.
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're never going to be good.
11:26 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I really don't think so.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny about this more calming discussion.
11:30 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There isn't an option out there for the Mariners who has a very similar profile to him, especially this version of him, but he's just a little bit older.
11:38 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You might have seen him.
11:39 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: His name's A-O-N-E-O-S-S. And the way the Mariners off season is shaking out and that, you know, we've essentially circled all the way around Brennan down of an
11:52 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: kept like the tiniest sliver of door open for any of the top level free agents, but the odds of those guys signing, pregnant and boba shit, very, very unlikely in Seattle.
12:03 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So once you get past all of those guys, own brain and loud was off, is off the board this week.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's now Pittsburgh pirate.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: With all of that, the odds of an A.o.
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: H.o.s war is reunion increase.
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still out there as a free
12:23 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: High strikeout rate, three true outcome, lot of power, three, it's more and two true outcomes these days.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's probably right.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't play much defense at this point.
12:35 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you signed Gino, there is a little bit of the planko role he could fill for you where he'd mostly DH and then other days he'll just go and play third base, every now and then just the way planko every now and then would probably have gone and played second base heavy.
12:48 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: If he had resigned here,
12:50 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I think that Gino's just probably going to mostly be a DH if you were to bring him back.
12:55 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But is there's no guarantee they do because, again, he's a ball of a guy.
13:02 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, before I add on to that, I just want to note the Cardinals fire cell might be starting.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Or am I continuing right now?
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably just saw it.
13:10 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't going to bring it up because I didn't think it was relevant to the podcast, but we're sitting here.
13:14 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Wilson can try us because just got traded to the Red Sox.
13:18 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So there might be a chance another cardinals infielder is on the move in the near future.
13:23 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that they've got that established in moving.
13:25 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, the thing with Gino is I actually feel decently confident if the Mariners want like a two win player on their infield for next season, they could get that.
13:35 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Gino, in the last four seasons, has accumulated at least three and a half wins on fan graphs and all of them.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's done it in like a ton of different ways.
13:45 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done it with defense.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done it with slug.
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done it with a combination of both.
13:50 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like last year, the defense was not really as good, but the power was so insanely good that he was able to accumulate 3.8 F-4.
13:59 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If you sign Gino, let's say you sign them for $15 to $20 million for two years.
14:05 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably getting a two-when season next year, right?
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not going to be the most consistent season.
14:11 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you, or are you going to get the Gino you mostly saw the final two months where he did not even OPS 700?
14:18 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the only barren or who struggled in that case.
14:22 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go check our friend, Luke Arkens, Twitter page, he's been pretty consistent on like, yes, you know, struggled as a mariner, but it's a not unlike him in his career to go on a two month cold streak.
14:35 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not unlike a Seattle mariner and that same stretch to go on a two month cold streak.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like you need to him.
14:41 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: There are, I will say this, there are not a lot of sustainable
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: traits to his offense of profile anymore.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Gino has essentially turned into a slug-only guy.
14:51 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like pull the ball in the air.
14:54 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: or not really do much at all.
14:57 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And he did a lot of that app chase field in Arizona.
15:00 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Geno's career numbers at chase field over 153 games.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a 928 OPS there.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He is mashed in that ballpark, which is obviously very hitter friendly.
15:12 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's warm.
15:13 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to hit the ball out of the ballpark there.
15:16 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: His career number is in team mobile park, two 11 average, three 11 on base, four oh six slog, it's a 717 OPS.
15:25 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's something to consider there about a $15 million a year deal for a guy who's had basically a full 162 games, actually sorry, no more than that.
15:35 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's played 195 games out in team mobile park in his career.
15:39 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only OPS and about 710.
15:42 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's still like 10% of Ovely Gavron, right?
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That's above average.
15:47 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although a lot of that happened in 22 when he had the really good year and so of it in 23 when he obviously was striking out a ton, still hit homers.
15:55 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right that Gino has massive hills and valleys.
15:58 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just what he's done in his career.
15:59 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe once he got to Seattle, it was just that time.
16:02 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd been so hot in the first four months of the year that he was bound to cool off.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't help but wonder,
16:11 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I worry about it every year with Gino, and obviously we were proven wrong with what he did in the two years in Arizona, where he was great.
16:20 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked like he'd found the fountain of youth.
16:22 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But especially watching what happened in the final two months, it's hard to not just sit and think about.
16:27 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea with A-U-Henio Suarez that is this the year, like does this end up being the year where it all kind of crumbles for him?
16:35 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this the year where he just doesn't have it anymore?
16:40 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He could be, I mean, he could be, he will be worse offensively next year.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, I would almost guarantee.
16:48 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not hitting 49 home runs next year.
16:50 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And since he changed his approach, a big reason why his walk numbers have gone down is due to a lot of what happened in Arizona in 2024 where he was still in his like, mayor of our stance, it was closed.
17:04 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to take his walks and then,
17:07 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden I forget who changed his stance, but he underwent some swing changes.
17:12 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He opened up his stance, he was swinging a little bit more, he was being more aggressive, which led to better production, but also less walks and less of a sort of consistent offense of profile.
17:22 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The odds are he's not hitting 49 home runs again, because he's getting old.
17:26 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not to say he can't hit 25 to 30 homeruns.
17:30 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's all he's trying to do, I would say him hitting 25 homeruns at third base could happen, even in Seattle, and he's still going to play half his games on the road, none the less.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think a 25 home run version of AOLs horrors is good enough?
17:44 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is that not good enough for a, let's say $15 million dollars.
17:49 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: the home runs just don't tell enough of the picture, especially with the defense.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: What's he going to OPS?
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What's his K-Rake going to be?
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What's his walk-Rake going to be?
17:57 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say he has a exactly team-oable park average OPS of about 710.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So then you just assume he's better on the road.
18:06 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He OPS is somewhere in the 720s to 730s with 25 homers.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look, you just said it.
18:16 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If he puts up a two war season, that's worth $15 million a year, if he does that, I'd swallow it.
18:22 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But with that, let me make this definitive right here.
18:26 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If you sign A, you had Nioswara's, that cannot be the only remaining bat you sign.
18:31 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go trade for Brendan Donovan, or if you go trade for Nico Horner, and the Mariners say, hey, we said we wanted to add one more proven bat.
18:38 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We just went and did that.
18:39 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We like where our offense is that.
18:41 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say to myself, look, I think this team needs two more bats and we argue about it, but I'm not going to sit here and say they're doomed.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm still not quite going to say they're doomed if they sign Gino and nothing else.
18:55 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they only sign Gino and no other bats, I'm going to sit here with a real problem.
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sit here and say that's not enough because it's not enough.
19:05 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is that a problem?
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's not enough offense.
19:08 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You are putting a lot of emphasis on your second bat being a guy who has the potential to just fall off a cliff this year.
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has the potential, but we don't know that.
19:19 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And the last four years have said he has not done that.
19:24 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to sign Gino and then go trade for Brendan Donovan, great.
19:28 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll sit here and say, I like where this team's out a whole lot.
19:32 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If you only go sign Gino and you let Donovan go elsewhere and you don't trade for Horner, and you don't make any other offensive splashes.
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think that offense is good enough.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're also not relying on Gino to be the engine of the offense next year.
19:46 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be the fifth most important bat in the lineup.
19:49 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: All the more reason they need another bat.
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not enough.
19:54 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Why why I don't understand that the doomsday mindset of your fifth best bet potentially not being as good as he was last year because again I think they run a serious risk of a uhanioswar as hitting 205 he ops is maybe 700 in total He has a WRC plus below 100 and strikes out 31% of the time with no defense
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: entirely true.
20:21 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that if that's the case alone of like, like, that's not like that's not good, but I don't know why this is setting up the team for failure.
20:30 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only good to do that if you don't go add another bat in addition, like go get like,
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Geno to me seems like he should be a luxury, at this point.
20:39 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to go get one of those second baseman, because unless you're going to get serious about some of the S tier free agents, you're damn near out of options.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You said it to me over text this week.
20:48 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You said, is it Brendan Donovan or Bust for the Mariners at this point?
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's feeling a little bit like that, right?
20:54 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's feeling a little bit like that right now.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners sign genome, he needs to be a luxury.
20:59 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He is not the additional bat they should be talking about, where we say, yep, we're good.
21:03 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what you've done is run back your roster from last year, but left a massive, sizable hole that Jorge Polanco is left.
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you open?
21:12 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: because you don't have the switch hitting production with a 15% K-Ray, the Druze walks, and was a force in the middle of the lineup and the clutches hitter in baseball.
21:21 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a sizable hole that you were not filling.
21:23 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go sign genome, and nothing else.
21:27 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think of genome as much, maybe as much of a negative as you do.
21:31 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: What I don't like the idea of is that when you sign Brennan Donovan, you make your offense better, but you also give your young guys run away.
21:40 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What you have made very clear is very important to you.
21:43 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: If you sign genome, the runway shrinks for your prospects.
21:48 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And the two guys I'm talking about is Coyung and Colt Emerson.
21:53 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You could put Colt Emerson F-3rd in DHG, you know a lot, which would alleviate a lot of that defense, right?
21:59 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You could stick genome at DH, a lot of the time, and have them DH, and if he's like a 110 to 115 WRC plus DH,
22:07 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: that's not killing you given that he's not on the field.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be worth all the contract, but not everything's perfect.
22:15 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If Gino's playing every day at third base and then the only rotational spot on your infield is second base, well that doesn't do much good to either call young or cold Emerson, if they're battling for that spot in season.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's my only thing with this.
22:29 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually see it differently.
22:31 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think if you sign Gino, he's more in the plonko role for the most part he'll DH and then when Cal needs a DH day, you just have Gino go play third.
22:40 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe on the days you have Gino go play third, those are the days you start to get cold Emerson some short stop starts, JP gets some days off because JP doesn't get a whole lot of days off a lot of the time and you run it like that.
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think you're blocking these guys if you only sign genome.
22:55 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If anything, I think it gives a more runway because Colt can play whenever, Col Jung's the everyday second-base one, and then genome for the most parts of the D.H. My problem is different than yours.
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: My problem is I don't think that's a good enough offense.
23:07 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If you only sign genome with the risk of him being on the wrong end of his career and making $15 million a year.
23:17 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we have a little bit, what's a good way to put this?
23:22 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause like, I said, I don't think Jeno's gonna be as good as he was last year.
23:26 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance he's closer to an average big league hitter next year than he is of what he ended up doing last year, which was a 125 WRC+.
23:36 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we are overstating a little bit, Jorge Polanco.
23:41 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate Planko was, Jorge Planko was great last year, but like Jorge Planko probably wouldn't even done that again if he stayed on the mariners this year.
23:50 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He in fact probably would have been close to what Gino is going to do this year anyways, then what Jorge Polanco did last year anyways.
23:57 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So to say like because Jorge Polanco left and even though he couldn't replace that, like if we were to re-sign Polanco and he wouldn't do that, that's fine, but if we were to re-sign Gino and he wouldn't do that, that's not fine.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think has the better year between Polanco or Gino?
24:14 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They probably have the same year, because one deals with injuries and misses a ton of time and plays less defense than the other one.
24:23 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Gino's always on the field, always.
24:26 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: and he has at least consistently for his career hit for a bunch of power, which has the value in of itself.
24:33 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for Jorge Polanco, it literally depends whether or not he can stay on the field and stay healthy, which he is not proven for most of the 10 years of his career.
24:43 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Jorge Polanco struck out 15% of the time last year and ran a 902 OPS in team all along.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: What did Polanco strike out the year before?
24:55 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Also as a mariner, what was it to I was it 29% and then cut it down by the way, that was more than what Gino struck out last year Yeah, it had either as possible, but then he cut it down.
25:08 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Jorge Palacos going back to striking out 28% of the time.
25:11 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He he's like back over 20
25:14 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: If you struck out 21% of the time, or 23% of the time, I'd live with it.
25:19 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, Jorge Polanco, I'm pretty sure it's going to have a better year than Gino.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason Jorge Polanco's market is more robust than Gino's.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason Polanco got signed.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason there was all this smoke around him.
25:29 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard anything about Gino this winter?
25:32 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason there's almost nothing on Gino is a pretty similar reason to moon a Tacoma or Cami.
25:39 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Planko's market came out of desperation, but you've heard zilch on Gino this offseason except for Justin Hollander's quote that was out on Sunday saying they've remained in talks with Gino all offseason, they've remained in talks with his camp, they've stayed open to the idea of bringing him back.
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's about it.
25:59 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, have you heard another team that's been linked to his services?
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few out there, Padre's.
26:06 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I haven't heard much about Geno being linked anywhere else.
26:10 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
26:10 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I was dead.
26:13 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there's, there's some.
26:15 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They're both like, they are a similar price to player at this point of their career.
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Both are going to get a two-year deal for Geno.
26:22 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Geno is going to get $20 million a year.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: but their their market will end up being about the same.
26:27 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I were to make a bet right now, they're about going to be roughly the same often supplier next year.
26:32 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing about Jorge Polan in Jorge Polanco's past that suggests he's going to be even close to repeating what he did last year.
26:40 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
26:41 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like a lot of teams were more itching to get the ball rolling on his free agency than Gino's, which seems a little odd for a guy that just hit 49 bombs and made the all-star game last year.
26:54 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's a reason for that?
26:58 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll find out whether or not they were right.
27:02 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You sign genome, you gotta go get somebody else.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not talking about Rob Reft Snyder, if you also sign genome.
27:07 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You go sign genome, you still need to go find and establish that, like Donovan.
27:13 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And they might need to, but that doesn't mean they will, because they're, I mean, what they're going to say is like, we have genome as our DH, we're going to run the young guys out on the infield as well, and then we will add at the deadline when we need.
27:26 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I don't get to make the decisions, but if that's what they do, then the off-season grade, I'm gonna give this team is gonna reflect that, especially if they don't go get a bullpen arm.
27:36 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're off-season is after reciting nailer, just bringing back Gino, and you don't go get a serious leverage bullpen arm, like my off-season grade's gonna reflect that.
27:44 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably not gonna get a great grade.
27:47 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
27:48 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sorry, I am worried about Gino falling off a cliff next year.
27:54 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I really am.
27:55 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess we'll just have to see I again.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just not in the doomsday camp.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you I can't say it's gonna be great But I'm I'm just not in the doomsday camp.
28:03 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean have you washed all of his postseason at bats out of your head
28:09 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
28:10 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They are, I mean, I would go back and rewatch some of his baths in October.
28:15 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the guy you want to pay $50 million a year to, I don't know.
28:18 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying I want to.
28:20 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying he's, if you sign him, the odds of putting up a two-wind season are pre-high, because that's what he's done for his entire career.
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little nervous about it.
28:31 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see this big gap between Polanco and Gino.
28:35 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it.
28:36 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
28:37 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm nervous about it.
28:38 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing, there's nothing in their history that suggests they're going to be that different.
28:43 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess we'll see, again, it's the strikeouts.
28:47 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, are you going to trust the Metz idea of overpaying for veteran talent coming off great seasons?
28:55 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember Verlander and Cherser?
28:58 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see.
29:00 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Verlander wasn't, those guys weren't that bad in New York, right?
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Metz just were bad and then traded them.
29:05 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: one of the will have maybe if those guys were better, they would have stayed mats.
29:10 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll say lander.
29:12 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Burlander had a three 15 era in 16 starts with the mats.
29:16 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Here is not everything, but you don't have that bad.
29:20 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I mean, or Jorge Polanco could have like a 110 WRC plus with the mats, just in line with this career, just like Burlanders in line with this career, but that doesn't mean that like like I
29:31 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't comfortably say, I think you know, puts up a 110 WRC plus in 226.
29:38 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll, we will, this is something we're going to have to check in on, in like June or July, but I'm not saying I want to sign genome right now.
29:47 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying feels more safe, but I would rather I would rather I would rather I would rather I would rather donovan, I'd rather require donovan than get genome.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, more safe than what?
29:57 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Then plaka?
29:58 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: More safe than doing nothing.
30:00 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure more safe than doing nothing, but if you sign genome, it's not enough.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You need another bad.
30:06 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But your other options, again, or either doing things that you have stated you can't afford, whether or not they can actually afford them or not, or doing nothing.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And like Ben Williams and run out there every day.
30:18 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they can afford it.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just say that for everybody listening.
30:22 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They can.
30:23 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's about if they choose to.
30:24 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I'm going to ask you a question again.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to pay bobershit that money?
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even mean that.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean if they say they can't afford to go get Geno and Donovan.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, yeah, I guess.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
30:39 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they couldn't.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, they're going to want it.
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to need to stretch the budget to like go get all the players they need.
30:46 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But are those the two players you'd want to do that for?
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Just using it as an example.
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, let me be clear to you.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they could go afford to pay boba shut.
30:55 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If they just whether you want to play a guy that's a horrendous defender, I don't know.
31:00 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They could, but they could definitely afford to get Gino and Donovan.
31:05 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to stand, I'm going to stand on this thought, that if you get A, you had a Swiss great, but it's a luxury, you need to get, you need to figure out Donovan or Horner or one of those guys on the trade route first at this point.
31:22 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If they only sign Gino, and that's the rest of their offseason after Nailor, I think, yeah, I'm going to have real concerns, man, what if it was Gino and a reliever?
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a legit reliever?
31:32 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because most of these relievers are gone, too.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not a legit reliever.
31:38 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I'm, yeah, I'm gonna have real concerns.
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it sounds like they're out on the legit reliever.
31:43 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would rather sign a legit reliever than sign genome, but if they were gonna get a legit reliever, they probably would have at this point because those ones are gone.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless there's a trade that we don't know about.
31:53 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not the Mariners.
31:56 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get to make the decisions,
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I am not going to be sitting all comfortable if that's their off season.
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to back.
32:08 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got to factor in cow knot hitting 60 homers again next year because that's not going to happen.
32:14 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And making factor regression for everybody.
32:17 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: and making up that production.
32:19 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you factor in regression for Cal.
32:22 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You factor in regression for Nailer, especially on the base paths.
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You factor in regression for GNO.
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You factor in regression for Jorge Polanco.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You factor in regression for everybody.
32:33 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So they don't know until you put the team out there on the field and you see how they play.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they need another bat.
32:39 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's, so that's going to be a prior- Brendan Donovan.
32:42 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Brendan Donovan solves a good chunk of your issues.
32:44 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:45 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I still think they need to bat's total, but if you get dot of it alone, I'm not going to be as up in arms.
32:52 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, off well.
32:54 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I only think they will get Gino if they don't get Brennan Donovan, which I would be shocked if they don't get Brennan, because they better trade pieces than any other team in baseball.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But if they don't.
33:05 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: out of good sign and then genos come back would be pretty I'd be pretty shocked if it wasn't him at this point but me I mean maybe genos set out for a multi-year deal and the Mariners agree with you Lyle and they don't think genos gonna age well at all and they want the geno wants a two-year deal and they've straight up refused to give them a two-year deal and then maybe there is then then maybe the Mariners let them walk possible yeah
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just another idea to flesh out because it feels like a possibility at this point.
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think they need more if they sign G now.
33:42 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They just need more.
33:43 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out.
33:45 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we will.
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