00:00 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 341 of the Marine Lair, podcast the Mariners make another signing they sign Rob Reft Snyder away from the Boston Red Sox, or react to that, and discuss where the Mariners go from here, now that they have him under wraps.
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01:04 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday afternoon December 23rd You'll be listening to this episode on Christmas Eve and an early present seemingly from wild goldstein to the listeners of the Marine Lair pod How does it feel to be right?
01:24 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say the same thing I said on Brock and saw this morning because Brock asked me the same question.
01:29 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, how does it feel?
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: How does it feel to be right?
01:31 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just said, as Kevin Malone would say in the office, it's just nice to win one.
01:36 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You called it?
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You did?
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good.
01:42 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You picked out an area of the needs of the Mariners.
01:44 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners had a similar idea of what they needed.
01:48 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And for that specific fit at a certain cost to weave within the Mariners budget, I mean Rob Raff Snyder is that, we'll talk about some of the positives, we'll talk about some of the negatives, but I mean overall they did find something that fits a lot better under the roster, then say some other pieces going into this 2026 season.
02:09 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's why we brought them up in the first place about a week ago.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They were just two left-handed heavy.
02:14 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And if this Brendan Donovan trade really does go down at some point for the Mariners, it's too many left-handed bats and it's too many left-handed bats that don't hit left-handed pitching.
02:22 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if Donovan ends up getting traded to the Mariners, the guys that don't hit lefties on this team would be Donovan.
02:30 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Canzone, Rayleigh, JP's OK, Cole Young so far hasn't really hit lefties over a long sample.
02:39 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Nailers fine, Nailers better than, like, about average to a little better than average against lefties.
02:44 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just too many guys that don't hit left-handed pitching.
02:47 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to have a tough lefty on the mound at some point, which will happen over the course of the year,
02:52 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: you have got to find a way to balance it out, and they just did, which is exactly why we highlight a ref Snyder.
02:57 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a cost-controlled, very sound solution to help balance things out.
03:03 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: now your lineup against lefties is going to have four guys that you're going to be looking at to anchor this lineup to really come through against those lefties.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have cow.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have Julio.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have Randy and now you're going to have Rob refsiders.
03:17 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Your outfit will be now three varieties refsider and right Julio and center Randy and left.
03:22 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: facing a lefty-like, for example.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Framer Valdez is one.
03:26 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners have hit him pretty well throughout the years.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of the lineup, they just kind of own him.
03:31 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But the one that stuck out to me, you vividly remember this game.
03:35 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This was on a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible road trip for the Mariners.
03:40 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That match of the head with Christopher Sanchez, or the Phillies actually in general, was awful.
03:46 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a trotist, the Philly's through three lefties against the Mariners in that three-game sweep, and the Mariners had almost no answer for them, and you would hope, while Rob Raff Snyder's not really an aircraft carrier.
03:58 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What he's known for is mashing lefties.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: First career, he's got a 129WRC plus against lefties.
04:04 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Each of the last five seasons, he's been well above average, walking, getting on base, and slugging against lefties.
04:13 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that comes to mind the most when looking at the feedback and people texting us and seeing what people are posting online is like, this dude is gonna give you an unreal at bat and unreal result against lefties.
04:25 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Time after time after time again.
04:27 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good to see, based off of, you know, some of the playoffs play off at bats against lefties and such.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you just have to find more guys.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And Refts not or works counts, too.
04:39 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only does he hit lefties, but he really, really can work a good count and has a pretty good play approach.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good play approach.
04:45 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the Terrix school antidote.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, great.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have Mitch Garver anymore.
04:50 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: For all the hate that Mitch Garver gets from this fan base.
04:54 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Just remember the murders are not in the ALCS without him.
04:56 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if he doesn't hit that sack flag and it's terrible.
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not there.
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in the ALCS.
05:02 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, he should really help with that stuff.
05:05 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, when I talk about Nailor with lefties, for his career, he's a bout league average against left handed pitching, but when I say average to a bout league average,
05:14 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: This past year he was actually pretty good against lefties he had a 112 WRC plus against lefties So he can hit the left-handed pictures as well, but Refts not really gives you somebody that can do it.
05:25 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He might not hit the ball out of the ballpark all the time That's not really his game
05:29 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: but he racks up hits and he will raise that OPS, whether it's singles and doubles and walks, he just finds a way to always get on top of left-handed pitching.
05:39 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here are these stats.
05:40 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Since 2021 is stats against lefties, three 11 average, four or five on base, five, two, slug, one, 52, WRC+, a 22% strike rate, a 13% strike out rate, 13% walk rate, great quality of contact is heart hit rate,
05:59 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you combine that with what you got from Dom Canzone this past year and you hope that Canzone can keep 80 to 90% of his production that he had in the final two months of the season.
06:11 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You have him face varieties.
06:13 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You pair ref Snyder with him to face lefties.
06:18 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: and you can try and math together and like a quality offensive right field solution.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Might not be perfect.
06:29 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about some negatives for refsnighter here in a little bit too, but you can at least draw it up that that unit and right field should be productive.
06:38 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I might argue that that's more of your DH Platoon.
06:41 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when Cal gets DH days, you are going to have to work that into and figure out how Cal balances out with everybody else, but on days where Cal's catching, that almost feels like the Platoon at DH, where it becomes Zone and Reft Snyder and Reft Snyder will still play the field too.
06:57 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They say he's going to play some first place in Alfield, but then when you think about right field for the two guys that are for the four right fielders that are really on the roster right now,
07:05 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it would be more Rayleigh and Roblese that would put tune in the field and can zone in Raff Snyder that would put tune at the age, or more simply Victor Roblese, because the Mariners when they announced Rob Raff Snyder officially, they labeled him as an outfielder slash for his basement.
07:23 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and that if they just signed Rob Reft Snyder to sick a 6.25 million dollar contract to be an outfield slash first baseman, they got another outfield slash first baseman who's a platoon bat on their on their roster who seems like he'd be the oddman out here.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and we can get to that.
07:40 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just stating for where the roster sits this very second.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably how it shakes out.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is how the roster ends.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's more work to do.
07:49 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just stating right now.
07:50 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, like Reft Snyder is going to hit lefties or
07:55 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So we think I know you have a comparison you want to get to here, but by every account he should hit left hand and pitching.
08:02 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at his bat speed and where his bat speeds at as he enters his age 35 season, it's actually still above average.
08:09 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He still has some pretty decent bat speed, like paired with a good approach, paired with the ability to really hit the left the left side of the, you know, to really hit left hand and pitching.
08:19 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just a lot that checks out here for why he'd be a good solution.
08:24 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: at six million bucks a year.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing as a bad one-year contract.
08:28 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Divis just talked about that, especially when you're signing somebody to money that's that small.
08:34 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: and outside of all the baseball things on the positive side.
08:37 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the mariners are sounding like an A plus plus plus plus plus plus dude, a real clubhouse guy who's going to really help enrich the culture of the mariners clubhouse.
08:48 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This came from Boston beat riders.
08:51 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It came from, comes from people outside of the Boston beat.
08:54 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It comes from people that were friends with, were Boston Red Sox fans who were just clamoring of how awesome.
09:01 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Raff Snyder is as a person and if you look at he he tweeted out a video of his like a mashup of his His favorite moments when he was with the Red Sox not even just highlights, but him like interacting with people I had a lot of stuff from the Netflix stock on there
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: People love this dude.
09:19 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He seems very lovable and is going to make a very positive impact on like the people in the Mariners Clubhouse and then I think fans to stadium employees, it's just going to bring a lot of positivity there.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If he plays well,
09:35 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he's going to have the Josh Nailer effect because the way Nailer just absolutely took the city by storm and became so beloved, so fast, is pretty unprecedented.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But if Ruff Snyder plays well, this feels like a guy that could really become a fan favorite.
09:50 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Even only on a one-year deal.
09:52 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He really feels like somebody that fans are going to get attached to and root for and kind of live and die with.
09:59 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like one of those type of players.
10:02 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything you hear about him is he is just an A1 dude.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He is supposed to be the man.
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to meeting him from all the good things we've heard.
10:09 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But did you ever watch the Red Sox documentary?
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever get around to it?
10:13 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I got like five episodes in, but I don't really remember much.
10:17 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember a decent amount of it.
10:20 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Rob Reftsner was not the main character of that documentary.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They spent a lot of time on Camp Booser.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They spent a lot of time on Brian Beho.
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They spent a lot of time on Jared Durran.
10:30 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't all about Rob Reftsner, but when he was in the dock, there was some real talk about man, this guy is beloved.
10:37 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait to see what he brings to that here.
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be awesome to see it.
10:42 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, you mentioned this to me before recording when we go down there is on a for spring training.
10:47 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's got to be like one of the first people we try and talk to.
10:51 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like just to sort of establish, like a stable set and it just seems like it would be a great conversation to have.
10:58 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Seems like it.
10:59 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if he's the guy that everybody says he's supposed to be and I've no reason to believe why not.
11:04 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I just can't wait to see it for ourselves.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing.
11:09 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to get past the only thing is he's a stupid ass Arizona wildcat.
11:16 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:18 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately they they they they won the territorial cup this year, which is that that's a problem when it when it comes to mentioning where we went to school.
11:26 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and he won a Natty at Arizona, which also we see there in 2012.
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds right.
11:34 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:34 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:35 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be it.
11:37 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: sad that's that's that well again if he's a good man or will forgive him for it fine for anybody that doesn't know that's listening i'm guessing you most i'm guessing most of you know this by now but tg and i both went to ask you for anybody not familiar so that's why we say that that's the only knock on the guy but honestly maybe that's our icebreaker there's another knock i look at rob rfsnider and i cannot get a j polycat of my mind
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
12:05 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting right now as great as the peripherals look for Rob Raff Snyder and while he could be great, this could be a freezing cold take segment at the end of the season.
12:14 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We could play it back and listen and laugh at stupid TGSC shreds one of the all-time great Mariners one year from now comparing him to AJ Pollock who got cut mid season in 2023.
12:26 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to point out some facts for people with AJ Pollock and with Rob Raff Snyder.
12:35 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Pollock became a Mariner 2023 and his age 35 season.
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Raff Snyder will be 35 years old on opening day.
12:45 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Pollock, first career at a 121 WRC plus against lefties, the previous four seasons before coming to Seattle.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Destroyed Lefties, and that's why they brought them in.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Corner outfield, Mashing Lefties.
13:00 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reft Snyder, previous five seasons, has Mashed Lefties, career 129 WRC plus against Lefties.
13:08 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Pollock gets inserted into the Mariners line up in 2023.
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Proceeds to put up a WRC plus.
13:15 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Get this, wow.
13:17 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Of four against Lefties, and he is cut mid-season.
13:23 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Raff Snyder is making $6.25 million this year on a one year deal from the Mariners.
13:30 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Pollack was signed to a one year $7 million contract with the Seattle Mariners in 2023.
13:38 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you see how I might be like the two images are clouding together a little bit and I might be getting a little PTSD.
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll never knock any Mariners fan for having PTSD because if you were to list all the things that give Mariners fans PTSD, it would roll from Seattle to Tacoma.
13:56 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not going to blame anybody that has the PTSD.
14:00 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like with Reft Snyder, there's something that feels a little different.
14:04 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a little bit of a better athlete than Pollock, well, to be fair, it doesn't run faster than Pollock, but he's a little more versatile than Pollock.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He also, hmmm.
14:13 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: feels like he still has more bat speed at this point of his career than Pollock does.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Pollock's peripherals were not as good as where Reff Snyder still are.
14:21 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's some reasons to believe that Reff Snyder is a safer play than Pollock was, but I understand if somebody's going to be nervous about it.
14:29 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, it was this exact role that Pollock was asked to fill back in 23 and it didn't work.
14:37 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: in the defense of Rob Raff Snyder, his overall offense of season last year, not just against lefties, overall was very good in OPS well over 700.
14:46 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Pollock, the year before he came to Seattle, had an OPS under 700.
14:50 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the calling card season for AJ Pollock before he came to Seattle in 2021 and he had an 891 OPS and then it went steeply downhill after that.
15:02 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Raff's night of the last two seasons been a very fine offense of player.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been no inkling of falloff.
15:07 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying once you get to 35 years old, it can happen like that because AJ Pollock even despite his struggles, still hit lefties when he wasn't hitting very well overall.
15:17 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he fell off a cliff and literally didn't do anything.
15:20 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember talking while about the fact he didn't have a hit against the lefty for like most of the season.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember that?
15:31 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, I bet he didn't have a hit, or his WRC plus was blow a hundred, or sorry, blow zero.
15:36 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those things.
15:39 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe it was that he was like, the worst hitter against lefties in all of baseball.
15:43 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: See, this is two years ago now, so I'm just kind of throwing things out there.
15:46 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been any number of these things, but I vividly remember, like there was some record he was chasing.
15:53 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, now that I'm talking it out, I think he was the worst hitter against lefties in baseball.
16:01 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: included left handed hitters.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That, that is incredible.
16:07 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But, well, actually, before even move on, how does somebody put up a four WRC plus against the side of the plate you're supposed to mash?
16:17 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a great question.
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had an answer for you, I would tell you.
16:22 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That is 96% below average.
16:26 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
16:30 --> 16:30 [UNKNOWN]: Also,
16:31 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not the main storyline, and I'm not going to spend a ton of time on it, because the headlines of this offseason are not, oh, the owners won't spend, I can't stay on this offseason.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have to spend that.
16:45 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to spend that much time on this, because they've done what they've been asked to do this offseason in terms of a reasonable budget and acquisitions to have and make.
16:57 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do unfortunately, just have to bring up.
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rob Ruff Snyder is now on the Mount Rushmore.
17:04 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on the Mount Rushmore.
17:05 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by Mount Rushmore is in the depoto Stantonera of
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: highest free agent position player contracts.
17:14 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Reft writer has just knocked Nori Ayoki off the podium because we've got Josh Nailer standing tall with his five year 92 and a half million dollar deal at number one.
17:24 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got Mitch Garver sitting at two years, 24 million bucks at number two.
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You have AJ Pollack at one year, seven million bucks at number three.
17:32 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Good old Rob Refts tighter one year six point two five million bucks at number four You want to compare Refts tighter and Pollock again.
17:39 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They are right next to each other on that podium Welcome Rob it's it's a hallowed group Again This is not the main storyline of the off season so there's I don't have to spend a ton of time on this because There's no reason to if this had been last year and this had been their dawn of in Salano We'd probably spend a lot more time on it, but because the off season's been good up to this point
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought I quickly bring it up.
18:02 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not even trying to like drag Rob Raff Snyder for being so comparable to AJ Pollock.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It just happens that just like, that's how it is.
18:11 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm just read numbers here.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I'm with Lyle.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's gonna be that bad.
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't guarantee it, everything.
18:18 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think Lyle and I thought in 2023, AJ Pollock wouldn't be a disaster, but...
18:26 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think Rob Raff Snyder will be a disaster, but the season will have to tell this.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: On paper, this looks like a good signing.
18:35 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a clear fit on the roster that will make the Mariners better in a area they needed to be better in.
18:40 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Of the first three off seasons that we did this podcast, so going into 2023, going into 2024 and going into 25, because at the end of the year, it'll close out three years of this podcast.
18:51 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's safe to say we felt most confident about the off season in our first year doing the pod, aka entering 2023.
18:58 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we thought they still needed another bat, but Colton Wong had been a walking to win player.
19:04 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They needed a second basement.
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We thought Tey Oscar was going to be great.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I certainly did.
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we said, okay, they needed a guy to hit lefties and AJ Pollock's going to match lefties.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was that off to the wall.
19:15 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But going into the season, not using hindsight, weren't we most confident about the offseason?
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably going into 2023?
19:24 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and what was funny is that team was actually pretty good.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They just were dog shit and extra innings.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is crazy.
19:32 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They were still that good, even with Wong, with Pollock, with Tey Oscar, not being as good as he should have been, all these things.
19:40 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to know who is one of the nine games.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And lost 14 times in extra earnings.
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say that's that again.
19:48 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They won 89 games and lost 14 times in extra earnings.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
19:55 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to talk about getting carved up by lefties, Patrick Corbin that year, take it a little bit first.
20:04 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did.
20:05 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I love not very predictable, but I guess at the end of the season, it was predictable that the Mariners were going to strike out probably 10 times a game, so pick your poison.
20:17 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they ran four guys out on that roster on the regular by the end of the year that we're punching out 30% of the time or more.
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Taio Gino, Kelnick, and Ford, Mike Ford.
20:26 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They were all punching out 30% of the time or more.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The end cow was at like 28%.
20:31 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio was at 26 or 27.
20:35 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That was not great.
20:36 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot.
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a good team, but it was a flawed team.
20:39 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's obviously why they missed the playoffs.
20:43 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We still need to watch this upcoming season play out in terms of whether or not we're going to be right or wrong about this offseason, but so far the Mariners are plugging holes and they are making themselves better where they needed to do.
20:55 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That leads us, I'd say to this next part, unless you have anything else to say about Rob Raff Snyder.
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: just excited to watch and be a mariner.
21:03 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm excited to see what kind of clubhouse presidency has on this team, because I think all these things are reasons to be excited about the guy.
21:09 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it fair to say just to be clear, now that you've gone on your little AJ Pollock tangent, I will sit here and say I think Rob Raff Snyder is gonna be a good mariner.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he's gonna be a good mariner?
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
21:22 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
21:23 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to make sure you let the people hear that since you just spent five minutes talking about AJ Pollock.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't invent these numbers.
21:30 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They exist out there on the internet for free.
21:33 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong.
21:35 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They're facts.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like what I was screaming nonstop after Carri Carpenter.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can say I'm crazy.
21:41 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can say that you're doing a lot of passionate yelling about this whole thing.
21:46 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just kept saying, guys, we're reading numbers.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Carri should not have been in there against Carri Carpenter.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll read you every single number that there is to it.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're doing right now.
21:53 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I got it.
21:55 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Rob Raff Snyder will be good, but the mayor and stuff had a example of this exact kind of player who has come to them and fallen off the cliff from an age perspective.
22:04 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope that's not the case to Rob Raff Snyder.
22:06 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's going to be the case, but we're going to have to see the season first.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to have to happen.
22:11 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed, but I am excited to see him play.
22:13 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it was cool to get one right.
22:15 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I know we talk about every free agent during the off season, but I think there's a difference for us between talking about, oh, could the Mariners get Boba Shet and could they get Alex pregnant too?
22:25 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We picked a pretty unique guy out of the haystack to say, look at him.
22:30 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll take a small victory lap for that one.
22:34 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Fair point.
22:35 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get to the next subject, you want to read that.
22:37 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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23:07 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is next, Lyle?
23:09 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: What is next on the Mariners' docket now that they have a lefty masher of an outfield there?
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it bread and donovan or is it something else?
23:19 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: to go a lot of different ways.
23:21 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with the chalk idea first and then I wanna throw one interesting idea out there for people and for you and I to talk through because I think it is something that's possible and probably not the idea everybody's thinking about but I would say it's something to consider.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get to that, let's start with the chalk.
23:38 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, all the writing on the wall feels like we are gonna see the Mariners trade for Brendan Donovan and one of these four right fielders is gonna be part of the package that goes back in the deal.
23:49 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be a prospect, it'll be a prospect or two, and one of the right filters.
23:53 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like it's gonna be Luke Rayleigh.
23:57 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't guarantee that, but it seems like it's gonna be Luke Rayleigh.
23:59 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So Luke Rayleigh and a pair of prospects, one of them is one of your top 10, one of the guys in the top 100, and then one, perhaps outside the top 100, and then an outfielder, a big league outfielder, for Brennan down with them.
24:13 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: like that.
24:14 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That feels like a pretty fair trade package.
24:16 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the cardinals have already made a couple of transactions.
24:19 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The market is kind of set on them.
24:22 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't feel like Brennan Donovan's market at this point, different to what we heard at the motor meetings.
24:29 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: is sky high.
24:31 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think his market peaks at two top 100 prospects.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, he's he's a good player but he's not a great player.
24:38 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe not enough for two top 100 prospects.
24:42 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's let's just say it's like a base package for burning down on that seems like the most likely.
24:47 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems like in terms of fits what works best with the Mariners roster going forward.
24:55 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
24:55 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry you in the same camp that it feels like Donovan's the writing on the wall here.
25:00 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, because you bring in Donovan.
25:01 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You can still have a whole young play a lot when Cold Emerson comes up.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He will still mix in it, third base.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You still have JP Crawford playing shortstop.
25:08 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Donovan can supplement in the outfield when you'll be one outfielder down with Luke Rayleigh gone potentially or Dom or whoever it is.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Donovan can supplement out in the outfield.
25:18 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You have more guys to swap in at DH as you mentioned before.
25:22 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: makes it like it makes it a lot easier.
25:24 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're running ref snider and can zone as DHS, that gives you one more player to potentially put in the field and not even worry about putting those guys out on defense.
25:33 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:34 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Because even though Donovan doesn't hit lefty's very well, that doesn't mean he's going to be a platoon bat either.
25:38 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He will probably be in the line up just about every day.
25:41 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you just hope you get enough out of them where he's solid enough against lefties and really hits righties.
25:46 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the type of player that'll be in there every day.
25:49 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was also the news and notes segment from Ken Rosenthal that can tie in with Donovan a little bit because I put it out on our social media platforms Tuesday morning reacting to the little blurb he put in there regarding the Mariners and Brendan Donovan is one of the reasons the Mariners really like Brendan Donovan.
26:07 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, his versatility is good because they can play them all over the place, but it's also because they really want to give Cole Young some more playing time.
26:14 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you, they were to trade for, say, Ketel Marté, who will talk about here in a second.
26:20 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Koleung would not really have a spot to play.
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, you'd probably go back to Arizona.
26:25 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But Ken Rosenthal is talking about how the Mariners and other teams in baseball are really hyped on Cole Young for the subcoming season.
26:33 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They call him like a data darling from a hitting perspective, which I love to hear.
26:37 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm honestly not surprised because we watched this dude hit a 450 foot home run as a, yeah, he's, he's built, but he's not the biggest student in the world and hadn't hit for a ton of power in the minors.
26:49 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden comes up to the majors in his crushing balls.
26:52 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I did, you know, I did decent rate.
26:54 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Donovan allows the Mariners to still play Cole Young a lot at second base.
27:00 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Some days, Donovan will be at third, Cole will play second.
27:03 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Some days, Donovan will be at second base, maybe Cole DHS, maybe Cole won play third.
27:08 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But regardless, it gives them a little bit more flexibility to play Cole Young more.
27:13 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's seems important to them.
27:16 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And having Donovan, you're right, does that because if you want to use Donovan as a Swiss army knife, you can and still work in your young players because on days where Donovan plays second base.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young might get a day off.
27:29 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Once Cole Demerson's up, he's at third, Donovan's at second.
27:33 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You can factor Ben Williamson into getting some days at third base too.
27:36 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when Donovan goes out to the outfield when he needs to play left or right, both Cole Young and Cole Demerson are in the lineup.
27:42 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: When they want to get Cole Demerson a day off, they go put Donovan at third and Cole Young's at second base.
27:47 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Rose and Doll is right, and the Mariners are right, that by adding Brendan Donovan, a guy who can move around a lot, you can work him in, which makes your team significantly better, gives you another bat to truly lengthen the lineup, and a good bat at that, while also still letting the young guys play.
28:03 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why so much of this writing on the wall feels like Brendan Donovan is coming, because it lets the Mariners work in all the young guys.
28:10 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to trade one of their young infielders away.
28:13 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan can do a bunch of different things.
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I said how much Jorge Polanco fits this roster and fitted the roster last year, and I still believe that.
28:21 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But now that he's gone and with the mats, Donovan Moore and more really feels like he fits the roster.
28:27 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: One more thing to back up, Rosenthal's thing on Cole Young.
28:30 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember what Cole's top, top eggs of loss he was this last year?
28:35 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it had to have either been that home run, either against the fillies, at citizens bank park, or that home run at home again, I'm trying to remember who he hit it against,
28:46 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the exact bad at ball is, but it's over 114 miles an hour.
28:52 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, remember top 10% of all major league baseball.
28:56 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember what Joe told us last year?
28:57 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe Doyle before we had him on, before Cole Young ever came up.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, dude, I think Cole Young looks different.
29:03 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He said he's coiling harder, he's got more torque and his swing, he's lifting the ball, and we saw it.
29:10 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Cole Young's ever going to be a 30-home or guy, but if you want to talk about when pitchers make a mistake pitch, oh yeah, help punish you.
29:18 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and he did a really good job last year pulling the ball in the air so when you're going to hit the ball really hard and pull the ball in the air you're setting yourself up pretty well to do a bunch of damage
29:27 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't doubt the mayor does love collion and we really like collion awesome dude.
29:31 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a chance to be really solid offensively for the subcoming season.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Donovan lets them do that.
29:37 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The other course of action is not letting collion doing that and going out and acquiring could tell marté, which seems to be in a standstill, I mean there's more reporting within the last couple of weeks out of Arizona that if the Diamondbacks don't get the package they want could tell is not going anywhere like and they're they're they're setting their feet in the sand.
29:55 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: about starting pitching.
29:57 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: There was just a report here on Tuesday that said, in less the Diamondbacks get back young starting pitching, they're not trading can tell our day.
30:05 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So for the Mariners, I don't know if that means one of your starters in general, one of the homegrown guys, or if it means some of your prospects.
30:13 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little vague, but this does check out from what we believed all along, which is when you have five years of control on a guy who's been a top 10 bat in the league the last two years, unless you are blown away with a trade package, time backs aren't going to trade them.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So that starts with, we'll list the names again.
30:31 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to trade one of rice miller or George Kirby, most likely, or Ryan Sloan, Kate Anderson.
30:40 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing.
30:41 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, of those four, it feels like two, where
30:45 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: one big leaguer goes, one prospect goes, and then throw in somebody else in the trade too, whether it's another big leaguer, whether it's another prospect, maybe it's another big leaguer and an prospect, maybe it's a big league starter, a big league right fielder, and two prospects with one of them being your top pitching prospects.
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's tough.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really tough.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: For a guy that you already know has some concerns.
31:11 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:11 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And given that the Mariners want another player playing second base and could tell would be playing second base.
31:17 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:18 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that being said, here's the other idea I wanted to throw out because I'm thinking about how the Mariners are going to tie this all together.
31:27 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I understand that could tell Marta Package would be expensive.
31:29 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But from what we understand,
31:31 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But the mariners are still checked in on those conversations.
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They have not backed out.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They're still in tune with it.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean it's going to happen.
31:38 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they've closed the door on it.
31:41 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you really wanted to take the swing and go for the fences and go get Kattel Marthay to take your offense to potentially, I'm not going to call it a lead.
31:53 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to take the mariners roster to arguably the best in the American League, which could happen if you go get Kattel, how would you do it?
32:01 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I look at the Mariners and say to myself, well, let me ask you this question first.
32:07 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: How much money do we think they have left in their offseason budget after Repsnider?
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so I saw someone doing the math on Twitter.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it was about 15 million dollars left.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: just for the offseason.
32:20 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Just for the offseason.
32:22 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to get back, I can't say for certain what the offseason budget is, but they said the starting point was last year's end, and they about $15 million more to go.
32:33 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So with that, there is a world they could just take on Katelmar Tays contract, and then that's your offseason, which would be a heck of an offseason, because Katelmar Tays only making $16 million next year, so that would fit inside the budget.
32:47 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But if there's a world where the Mariners decide that they don't want to take on any more $15 million plus a year contract this offseason, if they could still be saving some money to go get a bullpen arm, how could they still make could tell Marta work?
33:04 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: and could tell Marte is making the same amount of money next year as Randy arose a rena.
33:10 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would just throw out the idea, I'm not even saying I would want to do this, but I am just throwing out the idea, is there a world the Mariners move Randy's contract and essentially swap it with could tell Marte's.
33:23 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So the payroll doesn't change, but as a result, you are upgrading in terms of a player.
33:29 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But are you getting better because you still have to trade starting pitching from your big league roster trading Randy does not eliminate the price of Bryce Miller, especially if you're shedding salary.
33:42 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What if you reroute Randy arose around a somewhere else to try to get some bullpen help back?
33:48 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you just package the original trade for Katelmartei.
33:56 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: like it's clearing randy arose ran a worth open up sorry that's a better way to say it like would you get is there a reliever available back that would give you the value randy gives you
34:08 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more thinking of it as you would replace Randy with Catel Marta, but you are right where you run into trouble is if you trade one of your big league pitchers off the roster, you have to factor in the value there too.
34:18 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But that also kind of defeats the purpose of trading for Catel Marta because you're trading for him to get better, but to get Catel Marta you have to give up your starting left field or and one of your five starters in your rotation.
34:29 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I have trouble with that thinking that you go into 2026 and I feel like you'd be a worse team with a worse farm system.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So in that scenario, I would not do it.
34:41 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw out another scenario.
34:43 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: What if the package with the Diamondbacks really only is prospects?
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good prospects.
34:48 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But prospects.
34:49 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Then what if you keep your whole rotation intact, reroute Randy for bullpen help,
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to be a really good bullpen arm.
35:01 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But Randy's gonna be a three one two and a half to three one player next year.
35:05 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be a valuable contributing member of your lineup.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I would rather everyone just stay together.
35:12 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners lineup is better with all those guys in it.
35:16 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Then how much better your bullpen would get by trading Randy and his salary somewhere for
35:22 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: of a bullpen arm, because yet, Randy's a really good player, but what's he making this year?
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: 18 million dollars?
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it, I don't.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think him and could tell are making the same.
35:31 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's 16, even so, the asking a team to absorb 16 million dollars is not going to net you a great reliever.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's not many great relievers left to go sign either.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: because you have missed your opportunity on that.
35:46 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why it feels like you might have to trade for one because I don't know what bullpen are mid-sign.
35:50 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think there's gonna be a reliever out there that would be worth trading Randy Rosarina away for.
35:56 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to dump salary, if you're just trading Randy and eating salary, then you could get a really good guy back.
36:02 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're trading Randy and you're expecting the other team to eat some money, that just diminishes the return you're gonna get back.
36:10 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just doesn't feel worth it to me.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in the same boat here.
36:14 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was an interesting exercise, and I think it's something to at least think about because it may be something the Mariners at least consider.
36:20 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't do this, but it may be something the Mariners can consider, especially if they're trying to leave some budget for bullpen help and then budget for the deadline.
36:28 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there are things to factor in, but ultimately, with the Mariners having roughly 15 to 16 million dollars left in their off season budget, yeah.
36:39 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: if they want to tell marte they should be able to just take on the contract without trading randy eros arena then you would sacrifice not getting a bullpen arm this off season but if it the deadline again it's proven that you're a bullpen arm short and you want another leverage guy you could go trade for one then it's easier to get through the first four months of the season without a bullpen arm as opposed to the playoffs that a bullpen arm.
36:59 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: think about it that way and the bullpen arms at the deadline are notoriously cheaper than they are in the offseason, sunning them to free aging contracts, et cetera, et cetera.
37:10 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And you all have a better idea because maybe the Mariners will have a breakout bullpen store this year that we don't know about right now and the need shifts elsewhere.
37:20 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it could be Jose Ferrer.
37:21 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He could be that guy.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be.
37:23 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you might not need to pay as much for another reliever because you have
37:30 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was a pretty interesting conversation so I thought it's an interesting idea to talk through because even if the two of us would not do this and the two of us obviously still have our own concerns about could tell Marta just in terms of thinking about options the Mariners could consider.
37:45 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't seem like an interesting one to throw out there because one way or another there's a log jam of outfielders right now does it feel most likely it's one of the right fielders that gets traded primarily Luke Rayley feels that way but just looking at your outfielders in general and who could get dealt well goes without being saying it goes without saying or centerfielders going absolutely nowhere of course but of the remaining guys
38:08 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: would Randy be one they'd consider.
38:09 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope if the Mariners are going to go get could tell Marta Randy still a part of the roster and you just build a even more dominant offense with a top 10 hitter in the sport now in the fold as well with could tell.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: My last takeaway for what could be next.
38:23 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say actually to switch around the statement what's not next.
38:27 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Since they have ref snider and they've signed a right-handed bat, this takes them out of genome.
38:32 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it wasn't, you weren't even a fan of the idea before, but it makes even less sense for the price, now that you've signed refsider to a six plus million dollar contract.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You could do it.
38:43 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't seem like the smartest way to go about your remaining offseason budget, and offseason needs.
38:49 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know where he fits, especially if Cal's gonna need D.H. days, rough Snyder's gonna need D.H. days, can Zones gonna need D.H. days, I don't have D.H. and Cold Emerson's gonna need time to play third base.
39:00 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so A.K.A.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Love you, Jigino, but not this year.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think so.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me throw one more thing out and then we can end this episode.
39:11 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What happens if Brendan Donovan goes somewhere else?
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
39:18 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
39:18 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I expected downgrade for from Brendan Donovan unless they're willing to pony up for Boba Shet or Alex pregnant.
39:28 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the drop off in the infielder market is immense.
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me read some names.
39:33 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I threw my phones over here.
39:36 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I was when I was doing my my reaction this morning to to Cole Young next one and look like there's what the reason they need to get Donovan or a reason they could be in on Cole Young or want to be so in on Cole Young is because the other options out there stink.
39:53 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The top free agent option for second base is Louis Sarais not even a second base.
39:59 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And after that it goes Isaiah kind of a lefa, David Fletcher, Adam Fraser, Thyro Astrada, Brennan Rogers, Andy Abonius, who you've talked about, Nick Madrigo, El D'Amaro Vargas, it's like the drop-off between Brennan Donovan and those those names are his immense.
40:20 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And don't you think the Cardinals know that where they could leverage the Mariners a little bit here?
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly, I think some of the coal, the coal discussion might be a little leveraging, too.
40:30 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Mayor, for it to the cardinals, they're like, oh, we have this great second baseman.
40:36 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We could see ourselves playing all season with coal, young and maybe upgrading.
40:40 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:41 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I wouldn't say that sarcastically, because again, there's a real world where coal young is a great year this year.
40:46 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There is, but the mayor's messaging could be posturing.
40:50 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be, it could be a negotiating tactic.
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's possible.
40:54 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they trade for Donovan, they can make it all work with coal-young and coal-teamers and all playing along with Brendan Notovan.
41:01 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But if the Cardinals know the market and there's no doubt that Hein Blumen is staffed does, they probably know the Mariners don't have a lot of options behind Donovan, because they probably know they're not signed in BobaShet.
41:12 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
41:13 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No, BobaShet.
41:14 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Alex Breggman.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
41:17 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We have reached Brendan Donovan or Bust territory.
41:20 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, if we get a pass in notification saying he's going to the Giants, do we even want to open Mariners Twitter and social media that day?
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to have to.
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to say something.
41:35 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any world where letting Donovan go, not letting Donovan go elsewhere, but if Brendan Donovan goes elsewhere, is there a world the Mariners actually pivot and say, all right, we've got to go sign Boba Shet.
41:50 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they signed Robbins and Kenow out of the blue in 2013.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say anything as possible.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Different ownership, but yeah.
41:58 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:58 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This, the owners still were in the ownership group, just different, you're right, different from throwing owners.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a surprise.
42:05 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say it was a pretty good surprise.
42:07 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard, have you heard it song, by the way?
42:09 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Robbies?
42:11 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean, like, he is a music video?
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not his, but there is a song.
42:16 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing it's a buddy of his called Robbins and Kenow.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I've not heard it, no.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shut up.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's actually a little bit catchy.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, that'll be my homework between now and next episode.
42:31 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe instead of playing Christmas music on Thursday when I'm unwrapping presents, I'll play my Robinson cano song.
42:38 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
42:38 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Robinson cano, Robin Robinson cano.
42:41 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't do it well, but you'll have to listen to it.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That was in a great sales pitch.
42:45 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, not for me.
42:46 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You got you have to go listen to the actual song.
42:48 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
42:48 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will go do that.
42:50 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and then we'll, we'll see what's next.
42:54 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not much else out there.
42:57 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad the Mariners were confident in co-young because if they weren't confident in co-young, they would have to trade.
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They would, they would need to acquire Brennan down to them.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: a great, but I do think another move is coming.
43:09 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: From everything we just talked through, it really feels like another move's on the horizon.
43:13 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: With four right fielders on the roster and knowing that they're still looking for one more impact that, it feels like something's coming.
43:20 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think everybody's kind of waiting to hear the Donovan news.
43:23 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's going to be Donovan in the end.
43:26 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking back to Monday's episode.
43:28 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about what happens if they had just got Donovan.
43:31 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Reft Snyder was not in the picture at this point.
43:34 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: if they get done of a now where are you feeling about the offseason much better i'd probably give them about somewhere between a b plus and a minus i think if they've gone and gotten another big time bullpen arm or if they still go and get another big bullpen arm that's what would bump it to an a but with refsider now and the ability to balance out the lefty's and righty's more
43:56 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if they go get Donovan after signing Nailer after getting for Rare and having Refts Nighter in the fall, that's a B plus to A minus off season.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: A K, that's a good off season.
44:06 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good off season.
44:07 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where I am right now.
44:09 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I haven't decided which one yet, but we'll see.
44:12 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if they actually get Donovan done.
44:13 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Somewhere between there.
44:15 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they get another big time bullpen arm on top of all that, that's what makes it more like an A.
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's how I'm feeling.
44:21 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling pretty good now after Rob Raff Snyder.
44:24 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So they just needed the need to get Brendan Donovan done.
44:27 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Mariners feel pretty good about their roster for next season.
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll have their mix of youth.
44:32 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll have room for guys to develop.
44:35 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Still room to improve in the bullpen.
44:36 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But overall with some good health on the roster, you should feel pretty confident that the teams you go win the West again.
44:42 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: If they go get Brendan Donovan, I think we can officially stamp our Marine layer pod excited for 2026 stamp.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's, yeah, we need to make one.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put one out on, we can put one out on social media.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We can make a graphic of it officially excited for 2026.
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, because we'll get working on that.
45:00 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, every offseason, it has an always been that way.
45:04 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and we need to make our feelings clear that this offseason is different.
45:09 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So we will, well, let the people know.
45:11 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If they go get one more big time bat, I think everybody should be feeling pretty good and we will be feeling pretty good.
45:18 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
45:18 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.
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