Lyle and TJ react to the news of the Ketel Marte trade rumors coming to a close soon (2:30). They then dive into their New Year's resolutions for the Mariners, and what they want to see from certain members of the roster and organization (8:29). They close out the show reflecting on the year that was for the show and the Mariners (41:58).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to episode number 34 of the Marine Layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's our Mariners New Year's Resolutions.
00:05 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We each have three and we'll tell you what they are.
00:08 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also potential for the Katel Marta rumors to end.
00:13 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Some want soon.
00:13 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like the dynamics are kind of fed up.
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about it.
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00:46 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it rolling.
01:01 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to the episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Tuesday evening December 30th and just like us,
01:20 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do we think it's actually gonna end?
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this one of their New Year's resolutions?
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Get this Katelmartay thing off our back?
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We're tired of talking.
01:28 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We're tired of people calling for us, asking for comment about us taking a, about us taking an underwhelming trade package for Katelmartay because the news out of Arizona is that Mike Hayes in their GM said, we would like to put this entire Katelm saga to bed soon.
01:47 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: which means either he's getting traded or they're taking them off the trade block.
01:51 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Because from what it sounds like, the Diamondbacks want to move on with their offseason.
01:56 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they want to have an idea with less than two months to go before spring training, crap like a month and a half to go before spring training.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: about how the roster's going to look and what kind of pieces they're going to have.
02:07 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And they can't just let this cattel drama drag out on and on and on and on and they said, look, uh, soon, this is going to end.
02:18 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Either we either he's going to be a diamond back in 2026 or we're getting this trade package for him, right?
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what it sounds like.
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, but when is soon?
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Hazard didn't say when.
02:31 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he's not going to show his hand.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You thought this could be just more leverage.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Feels like it.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know when this whole saga is going to end.
02:40 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This feels like the Diamondbacks are getting pissed off that they're not getting the trade packages they like.
02:45 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And now they're trying to spark up some more ways of leverage through the media and through the public to say, hey, we're going to tell you there's now a ticking time bomb.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So either send us what we want or it's over.
02:58 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't feel like as good of a players could tell Marta is.
03:02 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is a situation where a team is going to be like desperate to acquire could tell Marta.
03:08 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You think there's a desperate team for a tell Marta?
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like truly desperate.
03:14 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you qualify the red socks as desperate?
03:16 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They have not made a big move this offseason and they clearly want a big bat.
03:21 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes though making a big move isn't always the right decision for your team like you don't always make a move just for the sake of making a move you make a move because you think you're going to get better like I think they would be better who the who the the red socks give to the diamond backs they have young starters do they have young starters that are good enough
03:41 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.
03:42 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, there goes without being said.
03:44 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not trading Roman Anthony and they're not trading Garacrochet.
03:48 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So without those guys, who do the Diamondbacks want?
03:52 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Peyton, totally or Connerly early or headliners for Kjell Martaiden, no.
03:59 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why I'm thinking about who could be dealt from the Red Sox that would be deemed worth it.
04:05 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because all their prospects, all their big-time prospects came up and their bats were so admire, Roman Anthony,
04:11 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, Christian Campbell didn't have like a phenomenal first year, but people liked him.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't really have it on the pitching side.
04:18 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It is guys like totally and early and guys like that.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't stack up to.
04:24 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think names like Kate Anderson.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Bale.
04:29 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think would be the closest thing to a majorly quality starter.
04:34 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he, that's that was disrespectful to Brian Bale.
04:41 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, uh, but does that, but is that like worth trading could tell more, Tay for I don't think the dynamics would do it for that because Brian Bay was also owed some money now.
04:50 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, he signed that extension about a year or so ago.
04:53 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a huge extension, but an extension.
04:56 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's Brian Bao, I view as a good number three starter in baseball.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's a number two.
05:02 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I certainly don't think he's an number one, but he's he's a good number three starter.
05:06 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's what the Diamondbacks are looking for.
05:09 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And none of that compares to anything the Mariners can offer.
05:12 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, like the Mariners aren't going to offer one of their starting pitchers.
05:17 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the Diamondbacks want.
05:18 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The Diamondbacks have entered this trade saga for Kytelmar Tancid.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We want a George Kirby starting pitcher or better out of this.
05:27 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what the league is saying?
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck off.
05:31 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Also,
05:34 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: as we close this part of the conversation about Katel Marte and start to move on to the rest of the episode, which is probably for anybody's benefit because like everybody else, I'm starting to get real sick and tired and talking about Katel, but I will mention, he did have a somewhat cryptic post go up on his Instagram here on Tuesday afternoon where it's a picture of him smiling about to high five Corbin Carroll after what looks like he hit a home run and he said,
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: not a good teammate, right?
06:02 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Question mark.
06:03 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So, could tell us doing one of two things here with that in Instagram post.
06:07 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's either taking a shot at the Diamondbacks or he's taking a shot at the public and the media.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Public and the media, almost 100%.
06:15 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Can tell us trying to make it look like you guys really think I'm bad in the clubhouse?
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's doing.
06:25 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet there seems to be a lot of
06:30 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: there's a thing with people who are usually not great personalities is that they tend to lie and I'm not making any accusations that could tell Marta because I have we I've never talked to could tell Marta in my life
06:43 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't make that assumption.
06:46 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But based off of people we've talked with, I think it's a real thing.
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Multiple people have said it's a real thing.
06:52 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So whether or not could tell wants to downplay it, this is just what people have said and what people have been told about how could tell operates.
07:01 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:01 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, Tito's right, like, by no means are we saying, okay, Tom, our Tito's a bad person.
07:06 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he causes issues inside a clubhouse, that is the type of thing a player will do in any sport to try to defuse the situation.
07:14 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be like, oh, yeah, everybody's making it up.
07:16 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They're blowing this out of proportion.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not me.
07:19 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:20 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much talk about how he fits in a clubhouse that you just have to sit and wonder.
07:27 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we went into the winter meetings, thinking Katomar Tae would be one of the coolest ideas in the world, and it's still a really fascinating idea because of the type of player he is.
07:36 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But we left Orlando, man, and we got back to Seattle, and you and I look at each other.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like,
07:42 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this doesn't, I'm not so sure this is the world's greatest idea.
07:45 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not totally saying no, but we were, we were scared off a little bit by the people we talked to and what they had to say about Kattel and also I've just gotten more and more of a sense as these weeks have gone on that the Diamondbacks are only going to be willing to trade him for the exact right package they want and if they can't, he's just going to stay on a Diamondback because it does pay to have a top 10 player in baseball on your roster.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It does help you win.
08:09 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the Diamondbacks need starting pitching, but they can also win games when I haven't could tell more tape yet top 10, top 5 MVP candidate.
08:18 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they better decide fast because his 10 and 5 rights are coming up.
08:22 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want further elaboration on that, we talked about it on Monday's episode.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We also talk about it on social media.
08:29 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get to the meet at this episode, Lyle.
08:32 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Since this episode is coming out on New Year's Eve, what better time?
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: How nice is it that the schedule lines out for us?
08:40 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We are gonna sit here and put out our New Year's Resolutions for the Mariners.
08:46 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle, would you like to go first?
08:48 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your first New Year's Resolution for the Seattle Mariners?
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're gonna gradually build this up.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Each of us have three, we're gonna go back and forth and we're gonna dive into each topic.
09:02 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: topic number one for me and my first New Year's Resolution for the Mariners is find a bull pen arm that is genuinely a high leverage option, a high leverage arm because it's the Mariners sit right now, unfortunately, to our objections, it doesn't seem like they're going to go out and acquire a big time reliever.
09:25 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like they are going to lean on the guys they already have in-house with the addition of acquiring Jose Ferrer
09:32 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: and I think the Mariners really, really need that guy, that fourth true leverage guy.
09:38 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming all three of the big three have another good year, which is never a guarantee with bullpen arms who can be fickle, but in addition to that, they need somebody to truly step up and be that fourth guy.
09:49 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm including Edward Bazarna when the question marks because he was really good down the stretch.
09:55 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't quite that type of pitcher all year.
09:59 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me spin this even in an even more specific way.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to find their bullpen breakout.
10:06 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they had multiple of in 2021, 2022 and 2023.
10:11 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Where guys don't just emerge to be an Edward Bazarto 2025 level reliever, who's a very good reliever.
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: but not overpowering, not dominant, not someone you'd consider for the eighth or ninth inning.
10:26 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But like think of the years, let's go for through year by year of like these late ending options, the Mariners found in three consecutive seasons.
10:36 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: 2021, the two late ending options that worked really well for the Mariners were Paul C. Wald and Drew Steckenrider.
10:43 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They were awesome in 2021.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Big reason they won 90 games.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, 2022,
10:49 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners added to the back end of their bullpen, Andre's Muñoz, and Matt Brash.
10:56 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit more pedigree on their names, but these guys weren't prospects at all.
11:01 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, in the deals, the Mariners had to acquire them, both of them were essentially throw-ins to the Mariners organization.
11:09 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The back-to-back trades of the podries during the deadline of the COVID season.
11:13 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Muñoz was in there with Ty France and Taylor Trimell in Luis Torrents.
11:18 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Munoz was like the last guy in that trade pretty much and Matt Prash was traded for Taylor Williams and what everyone thought was just like a like you just they just made a move because they were at it they are they were out of it so no no pedigree there and then 2023 you have Gabe Spire still balling in the Mariners bullpen Justin topa
11:41 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, those three primarily in 2023 like you had you had a new adept of options three years in a row of new guys popping up for you Last couple years really has been that much
11:55 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly in 21 you forgot friend of the pod case is that or oh right out how can I forget Casey yes Casey's another great example of that he had he assumed the seventh inning world out here right and he went What it was 29 straight score those appearances.
12:09 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He was nuts.
12:10 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I forgot someone from 2022.
12:11 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Erics Watson.
12:12 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, him too So for a couple years there for a couple years there They were really churning them out in the last two Not quite as much and it's a hard thing to keep up, but
12:24 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: 2024.
12:24 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They're biggest breakout guy was probably Colin Snyder, which that didn't really last.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the mayor's lasted two months.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And the mayor doesn't make the playoffs out here.
12:34 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And then 2025, it was Edward Bizarro.
12:37 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would say, I think people currently have a little bit of a skewed view of Bizarro and who he is as a reliever because of how good he was for a few weeks in the postseason before the infamous home we're on a game up.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: but Edward Bizarro throughout October was money.
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Nails, the Mariners don't get that far without him.
12:55 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, time after time before that George Springer home run, he was just on it.
12:59 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But Edward Bizarro, the reliever in 2025, by ERA, really good, 25, too.
13:05 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of stuff under the hood, says maybe you got a little bit lucky.
13:09 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy does not get people to swing and mess.
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not get people to chase much.
13:15 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just,
13:16 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: he's more got the stuff of oh I should mention he doesn't get an elite ground ball right either so he's not missing a ton of bats and he doesn't get a ridiculous rate of ground balls so all that paired together feels like somebody that is a middle reliever a good middle reliever for sure but when you talk about needing somebody to elevate to the next level to have a fourth option out of that bullpen like the mariners tried to do by getting Joe on to ran at the deadline
13:43 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to see as my first resolution is you have to hope all of Spire Brash and Moon knows are good again and levered charms again, but somebody Not a guarantee.
13:56 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and I said that a couple minutes ago Relievers are so fickle.
13:58 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You just never know But if they are you still need one more guy To really be able to help bridge that gap who can really just miss bats and get out.
14:08 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's Jose for air We don't know yet
14:11 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: but whether it's for air, whether it's bizarre to taking another step to miss more bats, whether it's, I can't even believe I'm gonna say it, Carlos Vargas, like if the man could use the 100 mile and our stuff he has and actually get some strikeouts, one of those guys.
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your Taylor.
14:30 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: sure and he's almost been forgotten about because he was so injured for most of the year.
14:35 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, somebody like him.
14:37 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if one of these guys they signed as minor league free agents could potentially be one of those guys Alex Hoppy and Randy Dobnak.
14:45 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be a bunch you see in spring training, but
14:48 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: whoever they really need somebody to take on that role because clearly the mariners believe that their bullpen needed more help last summer the trade just barely fell through for Joe on to ram and if they're not going to go get that level of relief or this offseason somebody internally has got to step up before to what before i get to my first uh... new year's resolution you want to read that
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15:46 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: My first Mariners New Year's Resolution is coal-young taking a step forward offensively and alleviating all of the conversations we had we've had this offseason about trade targets on the infield because of coal-young steps up offensively next year.
16:05 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The words Brendan Donovan and Katel Martey, and I mean, Boba Shet and Alex Breigman are really high up there.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all these other options that the Meredith could potentially go out there and get.
16:17 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Lau, who's on another team now, they don't matter as much because you have Cole Young.
16:23 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cole Young showed a glimpse of what he could be last year, but then in September, essentially got benched.
16:30 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: What is Cole Young going to look like in 2025 and how much of an impact could an improved offense version of Cole Young make in 2026?
16:38 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited to find out and I think it'll make a huge difference if he takes that step forward.
16:43 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we out though.
16:45 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young does all that and they still get Brendan Donovan.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
16:49 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have more good players on your roster.
16:51 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm huge, huge, like proponent of getting Brendan Donovan.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll make this team better.
16:57 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What Cole Young being good offensively does for you is it allows Brendan Donovan to be more flexible and really utilize his strength as opposed to playing based off of need.
17:10 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because need smells of desperation.
17:13 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Want smells of hey we have a lot of really good players.
17:16 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be really flexible.
17:19 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it.
17:21 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's things Cole Young obviously did well last year.
17:23 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You've talked about from July 1st to about the middle of August.
17:26 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He was hitting like a top 10 second basement in baseball.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, maybe even a little better than that.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Better than that.
17:31 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe toward more like top five to top seven.
17:34 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you were seeing him pulverize mistake pitches, both at home with the 460 foot blast.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And he had one that was a mammoth shot in Philly.
17:43 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was walking all the time.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to Cole Young's profile
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: is pretty positive.
17:50 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a lot of things that are going to that we're left to be desired in his rookie year, which is an uncommon, but the nice thing with Cole is the fact that as a 21 year old rookie, he does not strike out a lot, he draws his walks and he doesn't chase.
18:05 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: sets the bar for his floor so much higher because it's not like Jared Kalnik.
18:11 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you look at Kalnik and say these strikeouts are a huge problem.
18:15 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They are untenable.
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a ton of swing and miss.
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: This has to come way down.
18:19 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to worry about that with Koliang.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is rookie year.
18:23 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy punched out what was 18% of the time.
18:27 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's going to be closer to the high mark of his career as a 21 year old,
18:31 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that feels like somebody who could be like Brendan Donovan with his walks and strike out's long term, where he's walking 12% of the time and also striking out 12 to 13% of the time.
18:41 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's encouraging.
18:43 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing with him is he has just got to find a way to hit both sides of the plate consistently and from what he did from July to the middle of August, do it for longer than that.
18:57 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this, I found this on Twitter from someone named Paul Beckman, and he compared Cole Young based off of his Max Exit Velocity, which is 114.1 miles an hour, and his strikeout rate, 18.3%.
19:12 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The only players who have rates of an Exit Velocity higher in a strikeout rate lower than that in 2025 are, listen to these names, Bobby Witt,
19:26 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Catell, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Josh Nailer, and a couple other names.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty good group to be with.
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Coyoung's 21 years old.
19:36 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Now entering age 22, but yes, he, I mean, people have called him a data darling this off season, right?
19:43 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: People look at him around the league and say, yeah, that guy, circle him in terms of a guy who could really break out in year two.
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think for Coyoung along with everything we just mentioned and just having more consistency,
19:55 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: at the plate and being able to drive the ball a little bit more consistent, consistently.
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just going to have to hit fastballs more.
20:01 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that uncommon for somebody to struggle with heaters in year one in the big leagues when it's the biggest jump you'll ever make from Triple A to the show.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But that was one of the things Cole struggled with in year one.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Against fastballs, specifically four steamers, it was a tough go of it at times.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I think that's going to last his whole career?
20:19 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
20:19 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If anything, seems like something that could definitely turn around as soon as this year.
20:24 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that him succeeding would also be off the field a huge boost for Mariners player development.
20:32 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked so much about how much success they've had with pitching.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not been as much with the hitters, really.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like go around the roster, they're drafted and developed hitters.
20:44 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They've hit on too pretty big golden tickets, offensively, but yes, it hasn't been at the plethora of the picture.
20:51 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't had as much volume in the hitting, because they've clearly, Julio and Cal are better than any picture they've developed.
20:58 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I don't think really think that's a hot take.
21:01 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But the pitching has been much more consistent and you've had a lot people have had a lot more confidence in their ability to develop pitching as opposed to their confidence to develop hitting.
21:12 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I mean, I wrote down on the top of my head all their top 100 prospects or former top 100 prospects that were hitters that didn't work out as mariners.
21:30 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Jared Kelnick, Evan White, Kyle Lewis, they traded away in a wealthy marte, Edwin Arroyo, Aiden Smith, Harry Ford, like these are all guys that they had that were top 100 prospects as hitters that did not get to play successfully in a Mariners uniform.
21:45 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So to have Cole Young succeed, especially given that he was a top 50 prospect last year, I think it would meet a lot.
21:53 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't agree more.
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I miss anyone?
21:56 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I missed anyone.
21:58 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think you hit on all the main prospects.
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the big group of the guys, whenever everybody was coming up.
22:04 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're two resolutions down for to go.
22:07 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: My second one, I'm just, I'm not gonna spend a ton of time on this one.
22:12 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not because it's been beaten into the ground and honestly, I've had a really nice refreshing time this off season, not having to think about it a ton.
22:21 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But we cannot make these resolutions without this one being on here.
22:26 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan Wilson has to manage games significantly, significantly better than he did in his first year.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I think everybody knows that.
22:36 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And the odds are he is better at it because you'll have all what roughly 200 games under his belt, including postseason at this point when he starts 2026, you know, it hopes so, right?
22:50 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is supposed to get better with the experience and managers don't have to deal
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: like he sits and makes decisions.
22:58 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's gonna have some new coaches in his ear.
23:01 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If there were inputs that got miscommunicated last year that resulted in some poor decision making on the field, will hopefully the new set of coaches they have this year will help with that kind of decision making.
23:14 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a ton of new coaches.
23:16 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they lost in the ground and they lost honor-etched, but they don't have a ton of new coaches I feel like.
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least have some.
23:25 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: there's the guy from where was he Nevada they came over and and now on the coaching staff and he was the head coach in Nevada.
23:34 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to blank on his name pretty sure he was well I I will also blank on his name but I'm hoping that just with the more the experience.
23:43 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: and the lessons learned.
23:44 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you have to learn a lesson the hard way like managing the way they did and big points in the playoffs that different decisions get made.
23:53 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And now there's more of it.
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There's more time to focus on that in the off season.
23:57 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You know.
23:59 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope.
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to need to see data points approved to believe that.
24:04 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: To answer your question, or I guess my question, both of our questions, Jake McKinley's the guy I'm thinking of.
24:10 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He was hired as the new Major League Field Coordinator, and he came over from Nevada.
24:16 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And in terms of Lewis Boyd, because he was the Field Coordinator last year, he goes somewhere else.
24:22 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was still on staff.
24:24 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you know our neighbors do help with game planning, right, like they, I mean, their main job is to organize essentially like practice.
24:32 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And on field work, but they do take, they play a big part in game planning and decision-making and inputs from the bench.
24:40 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so maybe Louis Boyd isn't back on the staff.
24:42 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it seems because the new, the new coaches on the staff are Carlos Cardosa, who's the new third base coach, Jake McKinley from Nevada, who's the new field coordinator, and then as we've talked about, Austin, Nola, Benchcoch or I bullpen,
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: bullpen coach.
24:57 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hope let's hope however much input the new voices have it is for a positive.
25:02 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really I really hope so.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So I should I should be very specific on no is roll.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the bullpank coach, not the bullpank catcher.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He took honor it to job essentially.
25:11 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes,
25:13 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_00]: that's about the extent of time we need to spend on that because if if you need anything further all you have to do is go back and listen to i don't know like several of our episodes during the postseason or a lot of last season you can you can just find it all there if you like go listen to the podcast after game one against tigers were the mariners lost in the alds and listen to that episode if you want more
25:37 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one day when we reach like a thousand episodes, I think we'll go back in and maybe like do a best of stuff.
25:43 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Just go back through the years and pick out some of our favorite moments and I'm going to take a guess that one's going to be on there.
25:50 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, I think I was seeing red for nearly.
25:57 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I want to say 24 hours, but I've said it's still, I still think about it way too much today.
26:04 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would say I was truly seeing Red for at least 24 hours of not a little longer.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Until they won game two.
26:09 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honestly until in game two, when games buyers struck out Kerry Carpenter the third time through, that's when it all started to go away.
26:17 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, thank God.
26:19 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually, I think my exact words were screaming and just like, fuck, yes, and all this stuff, like, yeah.
26:28 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So my second New Year's Resolution for the Mariners is that George Kirby rebecomes a top two pitcher in the Mariners rotation.
26:37 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby in 2023 and 2024 was the mayor's best pitcher by war.
26:44 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And this past season, partially due to injuries, partially due to some ineffectiveness in terms of run prevention was not that this year.
26:52 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's really important that George Kirby who has as much upside as any pitcher in the mayor's organization, pitches like at this upcoming season.
27:02 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a common theme with all five of the mayor's starters that last year's
27:07 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: almost held them back from winning a world series as much as some of the decision making does or the timely hitting does.
27:13 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact the Mariners had a mediocre starting rotation last year also played a big role.
27:19 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And George Kirby going back to being a top two starter in this rotation will also play a big role in that not being the case anymore.
27:27 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll even change the wording around a little bit from what you said.
27:31 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see George Kirby take the Brian Wu Leap or the Logan Gilbert Leap because we've seen it happen with those guys.
27:37 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We have still waited around to see it from George Kirby and again when we say that, that doesn't mean George Kirby has an ad very good year as he has.
27:44 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's had multiple different four war seasons by fan graphs.
27:47 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But just the way we elevated in 25 and the way Logan Gilbert elevated from where he was already at in 24, I would love to see with Kirby in 26.
27:59 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what he did before is good, can he be better than that?
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there something else to unlock here?
28:05 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's also the case where George Kirby's not going to sign an extension if he has a banger of a 2026.
28:13 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to set him up with two years before he's a free agent.
28:17 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the man goes to decide then to trade him,
28:22 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It would set the Mariners up well and set George up well in a situation.
28:26 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If someone wants to pay the Mariners price for that, there's a potential here for a win on the Mariners side besides just winning games this upcoming year, we think about his trade value.
28:37 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Once the season starts, I don't really want to talk about the trade value of the starting pitchers, but as long as there's no extension signed with these guys, it will constantly be an idea that gets floated out there.
28:49 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: has to be.
28:50 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's not an extension, it's obviously a conversation, especially with the potential lockout coming next year.
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a good way to, I want to think about George Kirby to subcoming you as well.
29:00 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are not willing to part with him for Ketel Marta, you should want Ketel Marta level production out of him, because that's essentially what you'd be doing.
29:10 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think that's a banger of a line.
29:12 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
29:13 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not willing to trade them, you think he can go finish top three to five and say young voting.
29:19 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
29:19 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you were to acquire Katelmarté, he would be top 10 to five in MVP voting.
29:25 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So why not if you were to, if you don't want to move Kirby for him, trying to want that production out of him and a George should want that as well.
29:34 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance we actually started to see small steps toward a potential big George Kirby breakout last year?
29:40 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because of this, not because of the R.A. Not because of the overall production, because I know overall it wasn't a great season form just by the actual numbers.
29:50 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But we've talked about especially early on last year that his George Kirby just too much in the zone is he too afraid to throw balls, does it bite him too much?
30:01 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: His walk rate was the lowest of his career this year, and both his whiff rate and his strikeout rate were at career highs.
30:09 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Now when I say his walk rate was at a career low, he was still in the 89th percentile of the league.
30:13 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, he still throws a ton of strikes.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's getting away from that.
30:18 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But are we starting to see some potential signs where he could really turn it on in 26 and take the jump?
30:25 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what we've said with him.
30:26 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs the out pitch, and he has to be less afraid to throw balls.
30:30 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You saw a strikeout, wake it up, you saw his whiff, wake it up, and you saw the walk rates start to come down a bit.
30:35 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: People are looking to me for an answer.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.
30:38 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: This upcoming season will tell us once he does it over an entire season, because that's how people are measured with entire seasons.
30:46 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how George Kirby's remembered.
30:48 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We have an entire season of his last year, and he had an era over four.
30:52 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: how about an entire season of an elevated strike rate of not as many balls in the strike zone, which lead to a couple more walks, hopefully more strikeouts as well and overall more productive season?
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd love it, that'd be great.
31:06 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, third and final resolution on my list.
31:09 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, TJ and I started to ramp our way up.
31:12 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We tried to save the two really big bangers for last.
31:17 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal Raleigh can no longer be the Cal Raleigh that he was in 2022 and 2023.
31:24 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And that Cal Raleigh was arguably the best catcher in baseball.
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I should say 2223 and 24.
31:30 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That was arguably the best catcher in baseball.
31:34 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners need this, the Mariners need Cal Raleigh now to be some more between that and what he did in 25.
31:41 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's expecting him to hit 60 homers again, but the roster's now built on him being a perennial all star, not quite being the catcher he was the first three full years of his career.
31:53 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So my resolution is they need Cal Raleigh to do something like that again.
31:58 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of unfair, isn't it?
32:00 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're attached to to be your best player.
32:02 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost no team in baseball does that.
32:05 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, off the top of the head, there is no team in baseball that does that.
32:08 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, we know you play, you do the most work off the field because you have to work with pitchers.
32:14 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You can beat up the most, but hey, you also need to be our best overall player.
32:18 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No pressure, don't worry about burning out or anything.
32:22 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's totally unfair, but let me ask you this.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: had Cal Raleigh, we've talked about this before.
32:29 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Had Cal Raleigh had a typical Cal Raleigh season where he hits 2015, OPS is about 780, WRC plus sits about 120, hits 33 homers, and plays good defense, and is about a three and a half to four win player, more like a four win player.
32:46 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think four, four, and a half, some more fair.
32:49 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he was that, what are the Mariners last year?
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially what are they at the deadline?
32:57 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: and if if they did trade for Josh Taylor and Gino, they would have done it for maybe three games below 500.
33:02 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's a big difference and that could have made the difference in them winning the division and then they'd have to play in the wild card round and then they could they could have faced Scooble in the wild card round while and that would have been even more fun.
33:15 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they might have not been in game seven of the ALCS.
33:18 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe they don't win that Astro series late in the year.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
33:22 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, again, who's to say they make the playoffs?
33:25 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's a little bit of a stretch, but it's true, the Mariners 190 games in 2025.
33:32 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What happens if, again, Cal Raleigh is in a 60 home run catcher and he had been more like a 33 home run catcher.
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they finish with 85 wins, maybe they don't get in.
33:43 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you saying Cal has to hit 50 homers next year?
33:47 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I think he needs to hit about 40.
33:49 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think somewhere between 40 to 45 homers.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you're right.
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: This is totally unfair to Cal Rally.
33:57 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is now how the roster is structured.
34:00 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's built around him and it's built around Julio.
34:04 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to go out and be a perennial all star.
34:09 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: because it runs through those two now.
34:11 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going out and getting Boba's shit.
34:13 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going out and getting Alex pregnant.
34:15 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They've said every off season, whether us fans like it or not.
34:19 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: that they won't do that, they will not give the big contract to those big free agents, which again, if you're mad about that and you're frustrated by it, that's totally fair, what do we tell people?
34:29 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We will never tell anybody how to be a fan.
34:31 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If you would, if you'd like to see the Mariners bring in one of those superstars, you're totally warranted to feel that way, and I don't blame you.
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is the reality of the situation.
34:40 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, they've structured this team.
34:42 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You're asking a lot of Cal and Julio.
34:44 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So one of my resolutions is they need Cal
34:49 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Not quite like he did last year, but again, have a pretty ridiculous offensive season behind the plate.
34:57 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be a 130 WRC plus hitter.
35:01 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You've led me to my third New Year's Resolution for the Mariners.
35:04 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's Julio making a serious run for MVP this season.
35:09 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in the conversation.
35:11 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He said these hot second halfs that have made him a quote unquote dark horse down the stretch runs of seasons.
35:18 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him make a run like Cal had this past season where it's a conversation between him and one other at him and two others for MVP.
35:27 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want him to have a real case at the end of the season.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a solid case for fourth.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a solid case for fifth.
35:35 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I want him like up there in the top three, comfortably, where people are when they are thinking about who the most valuable players in Major League Baseball are.
35:44 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Coolio Rodriguez is one of those three because I know he's that good.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's done it.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's shown it over half of seasons.
35:51 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's time for him to do it over the course of an entire season and in the the structure of his career age 25 is a really, really, really good chance for that to happen.
36:02 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's going to happen, there's a good chance of age 25 is going to be that case.
36:07 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I have some names for you of guys in their age 25 season.
36:12 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: and how they've done.
36:13 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Ronald Acunia Jr. is age 25 season, when 40, 70 was worth over nine wins on the MVP.
36:20 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Juan Soto, age 25 season, career high 8.3F4, might have won the MVP if not for his teammate, Aaron Judge.
36:29 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Vladimir Guerrero Jr., a really good season at age 25, 5.3, tied most, I believe, with his 2021 season.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Mani Machado, at age 25, career best 7.2F4.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Catel Marta, age 25, career best 6.3F4.
36:47 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This should be the year for it.
36:52 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And history has told us that 25 is a really good year to have your best one.
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope we see that from Julio.
37:01 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we see him take some of that pressure off of Cal especially early in the season where we're not holding Cal to this unfair expectation because him and Julio can be great at the same time.
37:12 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that would be amazing, because you're right.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That takes a ton off of CalRavi.
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Where Cal doesn't have to do exactly what he did last year.
37:18 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He can still be really good, but hopefully, him and Julio do it together, where they just elevate each other.
37:24 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's OPS, I know we've talked about it so much, but it's gonna continue to be a storyline, especially as we lead up into the first month of the year.
37:32 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's career OPS in March and April, first career is 654.
37:37 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: is there any way in the first month he can just be at 720.
37:42 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even have to like the world on fire to open the year.
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you just be at 720?
37:47 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Could even be a little bit less and just be league average and then that allows you to explode in May and explode in the second half and just build on that rather than having to dig yourself out of a hole.
37:57 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: 654 OPS is
38:00 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you don't even get to tell you it's it's low.
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's for his career.
38:04 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any way he could just be good?
38:08 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Could he be good in April?
38:10 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
38:12 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's Julio Rodriguez.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course he's he has the ability to do that.
38:16 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing I think about with him is he like how has if he falls off at the end of the year.
38:26 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He plays the most demanding position on the field, and physically catchers cannot play every single day, but there's no reason Julio can't play every day.
38:35 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to, but plenty of guys have played 162 games in center field, or most of them in center in some at DH.
38:43 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Julio doesn't have the degrading position
38:49 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: uh sort of adjustment against him.
38:52 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the position where like when Cal needs rest, when Cal's tired at the end of the season, catching all those games, Julio should be just fine because that's the he always plays centerfield and centerfield is not
39:05 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: the position of what catcher is.
39:08 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of how it degrades you, you're over here.
39:10 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, not that didn't really answer your question, but I don't really have an answer to your question besides the fact you just blew it which seems to hit an April.
39:18 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he can in August, he didn't enjoy his little warmer, but these are big league baseball hires.
39:24 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you can find a way to hit in the cold.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:29 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And for his career by half, he has a career OPS of 737 in the first half and a career OPS of 902 in the second half.
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That pretty much fits the bill.
39:40 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That checks out for what it feels like you're watching with your own two eyes when you see Julio and you see him in the first half versus the second half.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's just a way for him to be, again, be good.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be a leap even in the first half.
39:51 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you can be good in April, if you can be good in June, it does so much.
39:57 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: if you don't dig yourself into a hole in April.
40:00 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't this everyone's New Year's resolution, like every year?
40:04 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: With who they are, yeah.
40:06 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much.
40:07 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But if the year, the year Julio Rodriguez breaks out in April is the year he'd win an MBP.
40:16 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, no notes.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly how I feel.
40:19 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that as it is every single season, could be, I mean, it could be the X-Factor
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be, like we saw great Julio in the postseason.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get that a full season.
40:31 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the Mariners in a situation where they are best.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They have the best ability to win a world series.
40:38 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And as good as Julio was in the postseason, we saw still some of the inconsistencies of his offensive performance in his biggest moments.
40:46 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that at bat, that's seared into my brain against Jeff Hoffman, where he threw him seven sliders, none of them in the strike zone.
40:53 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And struck out swinging.
40:55 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What if we get a version of Julio that doesn't do that?
40:58 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead walks and let's Cal had to go ahead to run home run and then the Mariners are in the world series.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe they beat the Dodgers.
41:06 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible.
41:07 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Do they beat the Dodgers?
41:08 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
41:09 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.
41:10 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought the Blue Jays stood no chance and they went to seven and probably should have won the series.
41:13 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then I realized the Blue Jays were so much better equipped for it because they put the ball in place so much and they don't punch out where the Dodgers pitching staff was made to just eat the Mariners alive
41:27 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... ultimately we'll just have to just have to speculate on that one uh... overall things like i said maybe i'm overall i don't think so but you never know who the strikeout rate did come down last year just to be fair to him twenty one i mean i'm just pointing out one moment where the the struggle still showed
41:48 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, the chase rate and the whip rates still there for Julio, where that's got to come up.
41:53 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But the actual strikeouts itself, the end result of the bats, there was less of it in 25.
41:59 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys have new year's resolutions, want you to leave them in the comments, send us a DM, send us an email, marinelarepottagmail.com.
42:06 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a new year's resolution, it's that time of year to think about that stuff.
42:11 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just came up with a couple.
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of you have some interesting one.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we have a mail bag episode on Friday.
42:16 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll read it then too.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say that's, I think that's a great time to read some resolution.
42:21 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to have your resolution be heard and it's any different than any of ours,
42:28 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us.
42:28 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're one of our Patreon members, send us the message in the Patreon chat.
42:32 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You can DM us on Instagram, like TJ said, you can find us wherever.
42:35 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to send us your resolutions, we're not hard to find.
42:39 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we wrap this episode up, since this is our final episode of 2025, I think it would only be proper to do a bit of a year and review for us, Lyle.
42:49 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anywhere where you would like to start thinking back on this?
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We do this usually at the end of every year.
42:56 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the third year we've done a true year in review where we just, yeah, I get to reflect a little bit.
43:01 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly a chance to say thank you to all of you guys.
43:03 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They're so nice and so dedicated to listen and watch and be up to date with all of our content all the time, which is amazing.
43:10 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say, well, there's two places I could start.
43:15 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll do baseball first and it's amazing to see what this city rallies around when the team is good.
43:24 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: because in the first half of this season, from us included, man, it was hard to get full by it.
43:31 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we at our questions what the team would look like, fans certainly did because the first half of the year, the attendance of the ballpark was not there.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It was 19th or 20th in the league.
43:42 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, they make moves at the deadline.
43:45 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They show that they mean business, look at how the city rallied around, and look at how much more fun it made for everybody in Seattle, including us for sure, including all of you guys.
43:56 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: How much fun it is to rally around a really good baseball team, and we got to see a little bit of that in 22, but not to the extent we got to see in 25, which was really cool.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the season.
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm even just thinking of the year.
44:08 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The off season was even worse than the in season.
44:11 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least once in season started, there were games being played and they got off to a recently hot start in April, they got into the early parts of May and then the best offense in baseball and we were seeing the start of a historic season from Cal and we had those sort of things to rally around in the off season at the beginning of this year when we're doing a year and review the vibes were as low as it that has ever been.
44:37 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, two years of missing the playoffs, and offseason were Donovan, Solano, and Jorge Polanco were your only moves.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not great.
44:45 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And to think of where we are, one year later, in the span of that year, we saw the greatest single season in Mariners history from Cal Rally.
44:55 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the team advance farther than they've ever advanced in franchise history, going to game seven of the ALCS.
45:02 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: and we've seen the fans rally around the team, like unlike any time in our life.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It is crazy how much can change in a year.
45:11 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You can use that sort of motivation for any aspect of your life, but in a Mariners perspective, it's crazy how quickly things can change in 365 days.
45:22 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you wanna change something and literally anything like Mariners just gave you an example, what can happen?
45:29 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:30 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If you hate your job, stop working it, do something else.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big proponent of that.
45:34 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying, you know, if it's your only option, quit your job or anything like that, but I've just always been such a big proponent of pursue your passions and do what you're gonna, do what makes you happy and do what you're gonna be motivated to do and passionate to do.
45:48 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, you can change all that in a year.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Just think about the mariners for that example.
45:54 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, it was fun when this team's good because this was easily the most fun we've had doing the pie cast in each of the first three years.
46:01 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: First off, it's crazy to think that we're at three years of this.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing this a long time.
46:07 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember what it was like to have nights?
46:11 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean?
46:12 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a available time at night?
46:15 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
46:17 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit, because I wouldn't say none of it.
46:21 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Excess in our world when baseball season's going on because if you're thinking about nights I usually think to myself on the weekends when the teams on the road There are some there is some free time.
46:34 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the ability to just stop doing something.
46:36 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I like six Yeah, it's never happens.
46:40 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not anymore.
46:42 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even really mean going out just just Watchy Monday night football
46:51 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's fair, but I think on Fridays and Saturday nights for the most part, we have time to do other things.
46:58 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I have just mean, yeah, whether it's your friends, spend time with family, yeah, I was mostly being sarcastic, but well, during baseball season, yes, there's limited time, but it
47:13 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: do we not, I mean, we love being at the ballpark.
47:16 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's anything I'd really rather be doing on those week and nights than being.
47:19 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I'd be watching the game anyways, but I mean, I was just joking, because it's, it, it isn't really engulfed our lives in the last three years.
47:27 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's it, right?
47:30 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we now know nothing else than, than this.
47:33 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is because of all of you guys listening.
47:36 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the, the amount of,
47:37 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: like the change that happened within the lives of many mariners fans and us as mariners fans over the course of this year
47:46 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: seeing the progress of what we've grown here over the course of entire year, at the end of every year, blows my mind.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It truly does.
47:54 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the bump we got on the postseason and the amount of people who were interested in talking and interacting and listening to stuff about Mariner's baseball was insane.
48:03 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We've never seen anything remotely close to that before.
48:08 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of that has carried over into the off season, and we've now found some new audience because of that, which is great.
48:16 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But just to see the amount of people who interact, who listen, who comment, who email, who do whatever, for us.
48:25 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: over the course of the year and how much it increases, it blows me away every year, like thinking about where we were one year ago and where we are now.
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
48:36 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just need to say thank you.
48:38 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It is crazy and allows Lala and I to do this.
48:43 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason we want to put so much time in effort into it, because we love it, we care about it, and we above all that care about bringing something to the people.
48:55 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And seeing all the investment and interest that Mariners fans now have in this team and watching our stuff.
49:02 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason we put so much time into it.
49:04 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say that's my favorite part about all of it.
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I usually say it at the end of each of these years.
49:09 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think my favorite part of all of it is how many people this is allowed us to meet.
49:16 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just this year, certainly that plays a factor.
49:19 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But over the first three years of doing this.
49:21 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the amount of media people we've gotten to meet, the amount of
49:27 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, players we've gotten to meet and connect with, it's all been amazing, but I think above all that, it's just the absurd amount of mariners fans that we get to interact with regularly and how much passion you actually get to see in the city about a team that is now really, really exciting.
49:43 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We see it all types of places.
49:45 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We see it at the ballpark a ton, which is always a blast, where we get to talk to fans of the park and interact with people and talk ball with people.
49:54 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But seeing it, honestly, we see it just kind of in our everyday lives now.
49:58 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, at least it's been even just walking around town at times.
50:02 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it, I've seen it in the grocery store.
50:05 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it at restaurants.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it at the gym.
50:08 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it at...
50:09 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: certainly like at some bars, it's kind of everywhere, which not every city has fans that invested in their baseball team and to get to interact with people who are so passionate about it, not just at the ballpark, but everywhere now.
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the stuff that really blows me away.
50:27 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: For as much as all the support means the world to us through getting to see how many people that are act with us on the regular.
50:33 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The end person in our actions are really amazing to me.
50:37 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And the time that sticks out to me the most is not even the postseason.
50:40 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the clinch day against the Rockies.
50:44 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you know which time I'm talking about after the game was over.
50:47 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They clenched everyone celebrating and I don't think I've ever talked to more people in like a ten-minute span.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I did that time as we're trying to walk upstairs.
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it was crazy.
50:59 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: the amount of people we were meeting and talking to and seeing for the first time and talking about the Mariners and how excited everybody was.
51:07 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like, and that's the kind of thing that baseball amox, which is great.
51:12 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people were screaming that night when we're seeing them in the ballpark, people see the two of us, and obviously we're excited, but people see us from afar and during that 10-minute span, honestly throughout most of the game, we had a ton of interaction throughout the three-four hours, but after that game,
51:29 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Seeing people like pointed us from afar and just start screaming out of Elation.
51:36 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was crazy.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was crazy.
51:38 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was crazy seeing it at the postseason games was crazy Even seeing it in a regular May weekend game is crazy.
51:46 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little less passionate back then because we didn't know how good the team was gonna be But I would say certainly post trade deadline Just how often we got to see stuff like that.
51:53 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's really cool and we always say it like
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: to everybody that does come up to us.
52:00 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: One, if you ever see us, never hesitate, you're not bothering us, we promise.
52:04 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We love talking to people.
52:05 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And two, it's just like, it's just this incredibly cool thing that you can help build this community.
52:11 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Of all these mariners fans that are incredibly fired up about the team, the way that we usually are.
52:18 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're looking forward to even more of that in 2026, hopefully bigger, better and greater than ever.
52:24 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything, anything specific in 26, you hope to do.
52:29 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Try to give people a sneak peek at all.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_01]: More sit down interviews with big league players.
52:36 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's my big one too.
52:38 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We've now got equipment that makes it a lot easier.
52:41 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So now that we've had in person equipment that we've used to do some interviews, I think the stuff we have now is much better and now that we have that, and it's actually much easier to set up.
52:54 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to hope we can do a lot more of that in twenty six because we want to bring a lot more of that to people.
52:59 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully it's bringing training.
53:01 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we can just set it up at times during the year.
53:03 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, 100%.
53:05 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to sit out with more of these guys more often.
53:08 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to, I want to obviously meet more people, meet more listeners and keep growing because the more we grow.
53:17 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very rewarding to see the growth of something that you and I put so much hard work into and of sacrifice to a lot for.
53:29 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it just shows along with that like how many people care about the mariners right with the growth because that's what we want We just I mean we want people to be invested.
53:38 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's fun and it's really fun when it's like it was last year Especially during the playoffs.
53:44 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we think they're going to be good and we think they're going to be interesting So which is very very good for interest and baseball right in the mariners.
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
53:52 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm with you.
53:53 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The in-person interviews would be, will be great.
53:56 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because now that we can't do them remotely, and we obviously enjoy everybody, we've gotten the chance to have on the podcast and talk to and interview.
54:04 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
54:05 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: just being in it in person.
54:07 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so much better when you get to actually be five feet from them and pick up facial reactions and it's easier to play off things in person.
54:18 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's just things that flow so much better about being in person.
54:22 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think all the interviews with done in person have been some of my favorite ones.
54:25 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I really hope to do a bunch more of that in in 26.
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I
54:30 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to think we will.
54:31 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to make any like perfect promises, but there's definitely people on our list that we haven't had on the podcast.
54:36 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So we hope to get on this year.
54:37 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully soon, hopefully soon.
54:40 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And this has been all wall, I mean, I'll just add this here at the very end.
54:44 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All of this has been wall the two of us have started a whole other baseball channel too.
54:47 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you talk about time, it's all good time because we have fun doing it all, but
54:54 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've like the two of us have started to like branch out a little bit too in addition to this not that anything's changed with this podcast and nothing will, but it's just more stuff we've added on that has been really fun and it's all centered around a lot of baseball trivia, which I'm sure some of you have seen on our bullpen matter channel.
55:10 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of exciting things in store for twenty twenty six and I'm I'm excited to see where it goes just another year of doing great things I'm excited to go to Philly for the all-star game down on me great.
55:21 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to Philadelphia So that'll be great.
55:26 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh right when when I was there we were with a bunch of our friends.
55:29 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We were with a bunch of our friends from ASU.
55:31 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We were on this East Coast trip
55:33 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ could only make it for the New York part of it, which was the first leg of it, and then he had a family trip, he had to fly out for it.
55:40 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of that trip, one of the nights was in Philly, and we went to a Philly's game.
55:44 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That ballpark is awesome.
55:47 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So, let me look at great all-star game park.
55:49 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good place for sports fans to convenon.
55:56 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
55:57 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're gonna be at all star week this year, certainly if you guys are gonna be at spring training this year.
56:02 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us, I think tentatively we'll plan it out and give you guys more of a definitive answer in the next few weeks.
56:09 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think tentatively we're going to be there that final week of February before the World Baseball Classic starts.
56:15 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So if any of you think you're going to be there then, you can let us know.
56:19 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So please let us know.
56:21 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and one of the things we didn't really get to do during the regular season is
56:27 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: When we hit 10 subscribers on YouTube, I told everybody, if you see us in person and say the code word 2K for Carrie Kirby, we'd show you that video that was gotten of me just losing my mind, not in a good way, over the Carrie Carpenter home running game one against the Tigers.
56:48 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We actually had a few people say 2K to us over the course of the post season.
56:52 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Once we hit 10 subscribers on YouTube, and they saw us in person,
56:55 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: or sorry, no, they said it just before we'd hit 10.
56:59 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, we're not a 10 yet.
57:01 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we hit it only a couple of weeks before the season ended and the playoffs ended.
57:06 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't see as many people in person.
57:07 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So if there's still people out there that want to see this video, again, we're not sending it to anybody.
57:11 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to do it in person.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not sharing it.
57:14 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you see us in person and say, two, okay, you can see this reaction that I had.
57:19 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll have a lot of takers.
57:22 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a lot of people who
57:24 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: want some entertainment down at spring training while they're waiting for the next stuff next batch of players to get on the field again we got DMs about and we got people in person saying say in the code word when we gave it out it was just before we got into 10k so fuel souls are interested in that this year.
57:40 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You just got to say the code where if you see us in person, but seriously, yeah, this is been an awesome year.
57:45 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It cannot happen and does not happen without every single one of you guys that listen and watch and comment and interact with us.
57:52 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll say it every year, I'll say it again.
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58:04 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to see where it takes us.
58:07 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: With that, I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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58:52 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle, as always, we thank you guys for tuning in, we'll talk to you soon.
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