Lyle and TJ reveal the first Marine Layer Podcast Trivia Night on February 11th at Queen Anne Beerhall (2:30). They then discuss the Mariners arbitration cases (4:26). The two of them then open up the mailbag to answer fan questions, highlighting Dan Wilson improvements, comparing the Seahawks & Mariners offseasons, debating which Mariner is most likely to win a major award, and more (15:16).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Open episode 348 of the Marine Lair podcast.
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00:07 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We also have a special announcement for a really fun event coming up for us.
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00:59 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening January 8 before we dive into the Mariners content of this episode we can announce an event We have coming up about a month from now that is really exciting.
01:18 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Want to get it out there as much as possible.
01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So we get as many people as we can to show up while would you like to peel back the curtain and tell the people
01:25 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah this is something we haven't done before and funny enough it kind of combines the two channels we run but all into a mariners event we do want to count or account we do one brand in what we do right here that is all mariners we run one baseball brand that is a ton of baseball trivia
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're combining it all.
01:43 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We are doing a Mariners Trivia Knight, a month from now at, you know where, Queen and Beer Hall, over in Seattle, over in Queen Ann.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be awesome.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There's gonna be prizes to give away.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's gonna be one grand prize for the winner.
01:56 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But about a month from now, February 11th, if you wanna mark the date, is gonna be Mariners Trivia Knight, over at Queen and Beer Hall.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be hosting it.
02:05 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We're working on getting some special guests.
02:07 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We've definitely got prizes to give away.
02:11 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Prices, food, drink, time, TBD.
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still some details we're working out.
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We still need to work out the exact structure of what we want to do.
02:20 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to test yourself on some mariners knowledge, you want to have some good time, you want to have some drinks, some food, some good time with friends, as we're ramping up for spring training and opening day at that point.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a fun, fun night.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to be blasting this out there.
02:35 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We want as many people as possible to come by Queen and Beer Hall on that night Wednesday,
02:41 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is the first time you're hearing about it, probably not the last, and we hope to see you guys all there.
02:45 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a lot of fun, and it's a perfect time period, too, because it's not going to interfere with anything else.
02:51 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The four nations hockey tournament is not going on, and FL Playoffs will be over.
02:55 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a perfect time period for something like this, especially once that calendar turns after the Super Bowl to say, Oh!
03:03 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's baseball time, it's baseball season, it's go time, pictures and catchers are about to report, and this is when we all start gearing up for the mariners, and what better way to start than with a big trivia night.
03:13 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, there are still details we're working on with it, but we are working to make this thing a whole big thing, trying to get some cool gas, definitely prizes to give away, and we will get you obviously, when we have a set time, we will get you the set time.
03:27 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But this thing's gonna be really fun, and like TJ said, we're gonna talk about it a bunch more through the next few weeks, and we can't wait to see
03:33 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now this might actually be a positive for it, but you said there would be no interruptions.
03:38 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually only one possible thing that could interrupt it.
03:42 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that would be a potential Seahawks parade if you would at all, because usually a parade would be roughly on that Wednesday after a Sunday Super Bowl.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's when it was last time.
03:55 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But all the more reason people already out in the city to come on out at the end of the day,
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: to do mariners trivia.
04:03 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
04:04 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't think of a better way to celebrate a seawks Super Bowl win than coming by the hall and doing some mariners trivia and winning some cool prizes because that will officially close to book on football season and enter us into baseball season.
04:17 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Be amazing.
04:18 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We can't.
04:18 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on out.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we can't wait you guys.
04:20 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you guys said, on our social media, on the podcast, you'll be hearing about this a bunch more over the next few weeks.
04:26 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we actually dive into the mailbag, the only Mariners news of the day is that this was the arbitration deadline today.
04:34 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Mariners closed with almost everybody to agree to salary numbers for almost all their arbitration eligible guys except for price Miller.
04:46 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to throw Jackson Coar into that too, they haven't come to an agreement with him, but the big name is obviously Bryce Miller here.
04:53 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy Rosarina got a little bit less than what was projected, he got $15 million, Logan Gilbert got a little over $10 million and George Kirby got a little bit over $6 million.
05:02 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So that all lines up about right, Kirby's an arbitration year behind Gilbert, so he's not getting as much as Gilbert yet.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just a thing across baseball.
05:15 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, really hate when things actually have to get to arbitration and have to get into a court in front of a judge because now what happens is not just for the Mariners with Bryce Miller, but across the game.
05:28 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You were essentially forced to talk badly about your own player in front of his face.
05:32 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's that stuff I really, really hate.
05:36 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that is a player hearing right there in person
05:44 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that big a deal I really don't know because how much of the prices in his first year of arbitration how much could how much are they really Quaddling over it.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess he's a super, too.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Technically, right?
05:59 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's an arbitration.
06:00 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why this is his first year of arbitration the top level starting pictures in their first year of arbitration make what did Logan make in his first year for
06:10 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: right.
06:11 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's maybe it's only a couple hundred thousand dollars that they're a part on.
06:15 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this would be something you really worry about.
06:18 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: If it keeps happening and the Mariners keep doing this to Bryce Miller, okay, maybe.
06:24 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think for a first time our arbitration eligible, even though even with every other player signing their contracts,
06:33 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't think too much of it.
06:35 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a much bigger arbitration story in baseball that came out that I think makes Bryce Miller looks Bryce Miller's look very small and probably doesn't actually impact Doesn't impact how Bryce Miller feels about the or here's what could happen out of this they could come to an agreement on an extension instead
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That could still happen.
06:56 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be great.
06:57 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked to Divish about this, and Divish has said on this podcast that he thinks of the five starters, especially the forehome grown starters, he thinks the most likely one that would sign an extension is price.
07:07 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe this gives them a little extra time to just think about an extension, which would be great, and hopefully that is what happens.
07:16 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I just really hope they find a way to avoid having to say that many bad things in front of a judge about rice miller.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to avoid.
07:25 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember when this happened with Dellen Baitansus a few years ago when they were a part on arbitration?
07:30 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say this was in 2017 or 2018 and they had to get in front of an arbitration hearing and present both sides with the Yankees presenting, hey, here's why we think Dellen Baitansus is not valuable.
07:41 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Dele and Batances came out with a quote a couple days after and he said, well, this made free agency a whole lot easier and mind you, this is back when Dele and Batances was one of the five best relievers in baseball.
07:52 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in time, he kind of fizzled out, but it's stuff like that that sticks in my head with arbitration cases.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: every player's built different.
08:03 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some people maybe all the mariners want to do is say, look, Bryce Miller was hurt last year.
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We can't pay for someone being hurt.
08:11 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That could be.
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Could Bryce really take that personally.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
08:14 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hopefully that's all it is.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said,
08:19 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's just kind of water under the bridge eventually, maybe it leads to an extension, that'll be great.
08:24 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what, I should probably qualify by the way, or I, or just explain what super to is for people listening.
08:32 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So super to is when you accrue enough days of service time within the first two, like within the first three technically years of your career.
08:41 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Where you qualify for an extra year of arbitration.
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
08:45 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember, Bryce Miller came up in 2023 in April.
08:50 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It was late April early early May because he had to come up for Robbie Ray getting injured.
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of that, he didn't.
08:58 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't come up in enough amount of time to gain an extra year closer to free agency.
09:05 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he didn't.
09:07 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He, he was called up after the service time deadline in 2023 where he didn't get to get up where a year of, or a year of service time's knocked off his clock.
09:16 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But what he did do is he got up in enough time where he crewed enough days in the big leagues over the first three years of his career.
09:23 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: to qualify as a super 2, where again, technically you're only through two years of your service time, you're still four years away from free agency, but you had enough days of big league service time in your rookie year, where you qualify for one extra year of arbitration.
09:37 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of the normal three years of arbitration that most guys get, Bryce Miller gets four because of the service time.
09:43 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And you make more money.
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good for the pocketbook.
09:46 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great, which is why Bryce is in this arbitration, yeah, in this arbitration case.
09:50 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If he had come up in June, like Brian Wu, he wouldn't be eligible for any arbitration money right now.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we talk about this scuba thing?
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
09:59 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get to the snowbag, can you guys listen to this?
10:03 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If you somehow haven't heard about this Terrix scuba arbitration news before this episode comes out, now you're going to hear about it for the first time.
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So how arbitration works?
10:13 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: the the usually the teams they will be negotiating over a number right if it gets to the deadline the deadline being today they have to go to arbitrator the team files a number what they think the player is worth and then the player files a number what they think they're worth and then the two sides will present their cases to an arbiter and the arbiter will choose a side.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen a gap this big.
10:38 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Terriq Scooble went to the arbiter and filed at $32 million, which is an insane, insane amount for a picture and arbitration.
10:48 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The Tigers filed at $19 million.
10:53 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But what's crazy that might sound like the tigers are absolutely low-balling them and it's like an insultingly low number?
11:00 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The tigers offered the largest salary ever for an arbitration eligible picture as well as the largest year-over-year raise in arbitration for a picture.
11:11 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So it might, again, it might seem insulting, and the number might still be lower than what Terri Skobles actually worth, but in terms of like the precedent of history and paying players and arbitration, the Tigers didn't do anything really insane.
11:26 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: but then the numbers are just astronomically apart.
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think Terrix school's crazy for filing that amount of money in free agency.
11:35 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not, it just might not be realistic to get in a court of arbitration.
11:40 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but Otani got 30 in his final year of arbitration, and I know he's a unicorn.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But TJ, you got to listen to this.
11:47 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to the amount of back-to-back-sai young winners in the history of baseball.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to these names.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Roger Clemens, he did a twice.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy Johnson, 214 and a row.
11:55 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Sandy Cofax, Jim Palmer, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddox, Tim Linsicum, Clayton, Kershaw, Max Scherzer, Jacob DeGrom, Terkskubble.
12:04 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This is upper echelon arms that have done this.
12:08 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He is absolutely arm this.
12:09 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Arbitration's not always fair, though.
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately,
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think the Tigers look ridiculous.
12:17 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They look ridiculous with their $80 million extension offer and they look ridiculous being as far apart on an arbitration case and anything's ever been in the history of baseball.
12:26 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is this is on the Tigers again.
12:30 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They offered him more money than any picture ever in arbitration.
12:34 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it can both things can be true that the numbers low and he's worth way more than that and the Tigers aren't necessarily wrong.
12:44 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They can, it can be true.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So you think this is Scott Boris doing everything possible to make the Tigers look bad.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is Scott Boris Tom Fulery.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is absolutely is.
12:55 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's trying to make the title history.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: No pictures even made $20 million in arbitration.
13:01 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll show hey.
13:03 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he hits.
13:04 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:06 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a unicorn.
13:07 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: If Terri Scoob will hit, he'd probably make $32 million.
13:11 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really good at it.
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't put a past Scott Boris to do something like that, obviously.
13:18 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
13:19 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's roughly the AAV number or higher that Terri Scoob was going to get on the open market next year, but you can get that market when you're a free agent negotiating with every team or every team that's interested in you, Terri Scoob will only can negotiate against the tigers in this case.
13:36 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So the leverage of getting that number up is you don't have as much.
13:43 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: you might be low-balling with Terrikskubo gets A, V, Ys, and Free Agents.
13:47 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If he signs an eight-year contract, it will probably be $32 to $35 million.
13:53 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Zach Wheeler got $42 million year, because he signed a three-year contract.
13:59 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot's going to depend on how Terrikskubo pitches this year.
14:01 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I assume very well again, but I don't know.
14:04 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting case in Free Agents.
14:06 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand, he'll be about 30, but I still wonder,
14:09 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: haven't Scott Boris are going to argue for 40 million bucks a year.
14:13 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It depends how long long the deal is.
14:15 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No teams going to give him eight for at 40 million dollars a year.
14:19 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the Mets.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you do that?
14:24 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a good contract, but neither was the Juan Soto deal.
14:28 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have the Mets amount of money, sure, right, if you're like any team with any sort of remote budget, probably not.
14:37 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
14:38 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the odds aren't tigers have gotten the best years of Terri's school.
14:41 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Not every free agent contract is going to work out like Max Scherser's in Washington, where he hits free agency, I believe he was 30 as well when he was a free agent with the tigers, released close to 30, and that was probably the best free agent contract ever signed.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He won three Syunks.
14:58 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The very least by a picture it was, because those seven year deal for 2-10, there was no guarantee that was going to work out, but it sure has held in.
15:04 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see, we'll see what's doable, but that was a very funny thing to say.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Very funny.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's just two evils going at it.
15:11 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Scott Boris being greedy and it's the tiger's proving their cheap.
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15:18 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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16:00 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: First question comes from zander on patrons and her question is.
16:04 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we have any interest on the Met's Infilled Surplus of Luis En, Luis Enhel, Acunia, Ronnie Mauricio, and either Brett Bady or Mark Fiantos?
16:18 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
16:18 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting idea and I get with vendors.
16:22 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: come and add us with here.
16:23 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's always got a bunch of unique ideas and we always appreciate all the questions he sends.
16:28 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The issue here is the Metz are still going to want something back for what is by definition Big League talent.
16:33 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Mariners want to trade off with our Big League roster for any of these guys.
16:37 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Metz are looking for prospects for any of these guys.
16:41 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And
16:41 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all just too unproven.
16:43 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the one guy you would think about is Vento's because you could use some third-day's help and he's young and two years ago.
16:52 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We had a great year, but it doesn't play any defense and last year we really struggled and he strikes out.
16:58 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see how there's really a match made in heaven here.
17:02 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Viento's would fit in their lineup I would say I would he would bounce back because he's the most productive of all the guys they've had Brett Bady actually had a very productive may on this last year an OPS roughly what Viento's had in 2024.
17:17 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's on the on the table though.
17:20 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to find if Brett Bady was actually available out of those four guys he was the one who showed up the least when it came to trading for guys.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So
17:30 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at 25 years old, when you put up a three-wind season and have control, just feels a little bit tough to believe that the maps would just give them up.
17:40 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially when the rest of their contract is aiming to be even more expensive, you want some cheaper, controllable talent to fill in spots in other parts of your roster.
17:51 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea of the Anthos if the Mariners didn't already have guys de-aging.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take a flyer on him as a de-age, but...
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see a fit.
18:01 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no there's the ref Snyder and canned zone right now or de-aching for the Mariners They have third baseman that will probably put up more value Overall by war the Mark Viento is gonna mount a hit as well, but they will be more valuable and Viento's like Viento's had a sub three war seasoners 2.9 despite the fact he played almost all of 2024 and a nate 40 OPS because the defense just isn't valuable
18:26 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You could say to yourself that, hey, once 2027 rolls around and Colt Emerson's playing shortstop, if you trade for Viento's, he could slide in at third base and he's got club control.
18:37 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's ways for it to make it work in 2026 and just hold it over for a year.
18:42 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is I don't think Mark Vientus is going to be a third baseman very much longer.
18:46 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He put up negative six defensive run saved at third base in 2024 and negative 10 in 2025.
18:53 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a really, really tough defender over at third base.
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's going to last there.
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't see how that really makes sense.
19:01 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Louis on Hellakunya and Rani Mauricio are good enough to trade for and give spots on the roster.
19:07 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Acunia doesn't hit enough.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And Mauricio is pretty unproven and he's been so injured throughout the last couple of years.
19:15 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, thank you for the questions, Andrew, but those fits don't feel like they fit, really at all.
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Josh on Patreon.
19:24 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh's question is, which mayor do you think will be the biggest surprise in spring training?
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Biggest surprise is a good question.
19:33 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the number one story in spring training is gonna be all eyes are gonna be on Cold Emerson.
19:38 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's gonna be the biggest story of spring training, but the most surprising mariner in terms of somebody that you might see really turn some heads over the course of February and March.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a good one.
19:51 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I got an answer.
19:52 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be a surprise.
19:55 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to pick a surprise because surprises can be that non-rosser invite who comes and lights it up.
20:01 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We still have a while until the Mariners fully have their spring training roster set.
20:07 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we're talking about turning heads and the name is not Colt Emerson because that's the easy pick.
20:12 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I go with Cole Young because Cole's got everything required to, to pop.
20:19 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, this dude hits tanks when he gets into it.
20:24 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an easy way to turn heads.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a very high contact rate.
20:29 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: can roll out of, we don't use batting average that much, but raw to 300 average in an 800 OPS during spring training.
20:35 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: People are like, oh, is that a starting second basement every day?
20:40 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen over a spring training.
20:42 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's promising.
20:44 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll actually be healthy this year, which will be a big plus for him.
20:49 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: and like there's just the thing the reason it works with hitters is because hitters while they're ramping up like pitchers, pitchers have a lot more to tweak in spring training than hitters do.
21:02 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Hitters can just go out there and swing pitchers need to be careful about velocity, but how many pitches they throw, hitters don't really need to worry about that as much, so there's a lot going to be a lot more runway and a lot more opportunity for Koli young to sort of seize that spotlight.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody's going to be surprising and that's a good pick,
21:17 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody's going to be surprising, I feel like it's going to be one of these relievers that could latch on in the bullpen and make the club out of camp.
21:24 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody like Alex Hoppy, who, when the Mariners signed them, we said and they seem to say, yeah, we actually like his profile and we like some of the stuff that he brings.
21:32 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It could potentially age out pretty well if he sticks around and it clicks for him.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like if you're talking about a true surprise, it's going to be somebody like that.
21:43 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: solid pick.
21:45 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon.
21:50 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What is your clearest early season indicator, either positive or negative, that will tell us whether or not this mayor's team is going to succeed at a high level or fall short.
22:02 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's so tough to judge teams in April, because, I mean, last year, we had all these questions about the team in April.
22:09 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by August, we said, oh, yeah, they're in a pretty good spot to win.
22:13 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say as long as they are not in the seller of the AL West at the end of April, they're in an okay spot, because you and I say this, a lot of people around baseball say this.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot win a division in April, but you can lose a division in April.
22:27 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So as long as they're holding serve and treading water through April,
22:31 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that is enough of an indicator that, okay, through the first month, they have not shown signs of just falling off and being a 74-win team.
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Your sing wins and losses.
22:42 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: How about something specific?
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What if Julio breaks out in April?
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a pretty good sign.
22:51 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a great sign, okay.
22:53 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So that will be a sign, okay, this could be a different season.
22:57 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: that and I would say if the rotation makes it through April healthy how about that because in April last year Kirby was already hurt it wasn't that long after the price was dealing with injuries Logan got banged up later on what early no Logan Evans made his debut in late April so Logan was in
23:16 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If this rotation is fully healthy through April, that's probably a good sign because even if not all the starts are perfect, you need those five to be healthy.
23:23 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I went with too.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I stretched it out a little bit.
23:26 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I said if the starters make it to June and they're firing on all cylinders, I feel pretty good about where the mariners are at for a successful season.
23:36 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will turn it around opposite and say they could potentially fall short if the rotation
23:46 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Because as I said last episode, I don't think the Mariners offense is going to be quite as good as it was last year.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They had the third most homeruns in baseball.
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They were one of the best slugging teams.
23:56 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They had a the deep one of the deepest lineups they've ever had.
23:59 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The odds of them repeating that success with lesser personnel is unlikely.
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why they're going to need to
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: rely on the rotation to make up some of that production.
24:09 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But the rotation kind of looks like what it did last year.
24:11 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Were they were a middle of the pack starting rotation?
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't feel as good.
24:17 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would say there's indicators they would fall short.
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with that.
24:22 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all.
24:22 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks as you can predict that at all.
24:25 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: you just have to watch the season play out and find out.
24:28 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And you just have to hope everybody finds a way to stay healthy.
24:31 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year there was no way to predict somebody like George Kirby would get injured in spring training.
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy that makes every starty throws a ton of strikes.
24:39 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, one little tweak goes the wrong way during a bullpen or something in spring training or an outing in spring training.
24:45 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And that can derail a few weeks of your season.
24:48 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lesson I think I hope everyone learned from last season.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we learned this lesson.
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think fans learn this lesson.
24:56 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not to excuse anyone for decisions made or processes in the off-season versus the trade deadline.
25:02 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure you know what I'm talking about.
25:03 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The team you have on opening day in April is not the team you're gonna have at the end of the season.
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: How will you get to that team you have at the end of the season and how much better it is and that team you have an opening day?
25:16 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably dictate how well your season is going to go.
25:20 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right.
25:22 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners seem to use the trade deadline almost as as a second form of the off season, where they really like to address where they're at four months in, and they're often as active as anybody at the trade deadline.
25:37 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Good question.
25:38 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Pucci Delgado.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Scott Judy on Patreon.
25:42 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, if you were to advise the Mariners, what are two to three things you'd suggest to Dan Wilson on how to improve his in-game decision-making?
25:54 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want me to take this one first?
26:00 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
26:02 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think number one, here's the problem.
26:06 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't know exactly what to suggest because we don't get to see how he prepares for a game on a night by night basis and what he could or could not be missing.
26:16 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're just going to try to guess a little bit blindly here, I would use more of a numbers based process.
26:25 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: on how you deploy your bullpen.
26:27 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It is why I was so infuriated by the carry carpenter decision in game one because there was a results-based process by the numbers that said, this has to be the matchup.
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to go get Gabe Spire, you've got to have him face carpenter.
26:40 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Carpenter can't hit lefties, he crushes Kirby, he crushes righties, everything.
26:45 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Third time through Kirby struggle so much, there's just, there's a lot of empirical data points here that suggest
26:53 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: in a game this close, this has to be the move.
26:55 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say using more of a numbers-based process to make your bullpen decisions, and I'd say a similar idea can be applied with some of the pinch hitting, too.
27:05 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's sometimes where you ran into issues.
27:07 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that Harry Ford big league at that in his debut, where he's got reverse splits for the year for what he did in the minors, where he hits right, he's better than lefties, but they had him face a really tough lefty in Dylan Lee.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say,
27:20 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The big thing is just using more of an analytical process to make your decisions.
27:25 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know analytics can be such a crutch word for people, where a lot of people these days like this.
27:29 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, analytics are destroying the sport.
27:31 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand them.
27:33 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a crutch word for people because when people don't understand analytics, they like to use it as a crutch word.
27:38 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All analytics is giving you more information on how to take that.
27:46 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: soak it in and make decisions on how to put together winning baseball.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't you want all the information possible in front of you to try to make the best possible winning decisions?
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're getting at here.
27:58 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There are numbers to back up more of this stuff and if we're going to try and take a little bit of a blind guest, yeah, I would like to see them use more of a numbers-based process.
28:07 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a hard question because, as you said, without knowing what the process is right now, it's hard to make tweaks to it.
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also, every decision is so different of why it was bad.
28:21 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if we're, if we're beefing about a decision, there could be a certain thing with every single decision, something is different.
28:27 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a problem.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: that is different with every single decision.
28:31 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a little thing, I just feel like this is hard to handicap.
28:35 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You can, you're thinking we could think about rest, opponent, like pocket of the lineup, injury, there's just too many factors to just hand in a couple of decisions, they'll actually knowing what the process is right now, but otherwise I'd probably just agree with Lyle.
28:54 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I hope you most of,
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: How do what's a good way to say this?
29:02 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think most of what I would say to Dan Wilson now is I hope the 180 to 100 games of experience he's gotten now as a major league manager has given him enough time to look at his past decisions and understand in his mind why things went wrong if they were the wrong decision.
29:24 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Just some self-reflection I think and being able to change on the go when needed.
29:32 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Combine us and say 2k in person if you still want to see the video.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: What if Dan does that?
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be unreal.
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That means he's telling on himself for being a Marilar pod listener.
29:46 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show, Dan.
29:48 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
29:49 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
29:51 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
29:51 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe he'd get joy out of watching you do that.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We like, actually, that's kind of funny.
29:57 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, the reaction is such an unbelievable meltdown
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: he honestly might just laugh.
30:04 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:04 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's a little, not even a little.
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of frank the tank ask.
30:09 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you people like Carlos Mendoza and some of the players in that meds clubhouse.
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Lap at Frank, even when he's trashing on them specifically, because it's hilarious.
30:18 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Fair point.
30:20 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Teddy on Patreon.
30:23 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Teddy's question is, on the Mariners, who's most likely to win an MVP or Sy Young in 2026?
30:29 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: See, you think the easy answer here for MVP's Cal?
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say Cal.
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The answer's Julio.
30:35 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: As a preseason pick, I think Julio is actually always the answer for this, because as we saw with Cal this year for his unbelievable as he was, it's just so hard for a catcher to win an MVP.
30:45 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: When Julio does what he does defensively at a position of such value in center field, it raises the floor so high, that when he's essentially a four-wind defender every year,
30:55 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: when he has that year where he is so good offensively where you combine four wind defense with a five to six win offensive year there's your nine ten more season where he's hoist where he's hoisting an MVP trophy so my answer here is Julio and in terms of sai young i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep picking brine low i took this question as which one would be the most likely either or not both oh well then of everything Julio MVP okay
31:24 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I battled with this one.
31:26 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
31:26 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this.
31:28 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the gap between Julio and judges bigger or Brian Wu and Terriq Scooble?
31:36 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: as a pure player on a year to year basis, probably Julio and Judge, and that is no knock on Julio in any way, shape or form.
31:44 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That is merely Aaron Judge may retire the greatest right hand in hand or to ever live.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, Judge often misses time.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He battles some injuries.
31:52 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also about to be 34, 35.
31:55 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He is starting to age a little bit.
31:58 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And Judge is actually racked up war with his defense over the years because he's been really good in right field.
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, that's gonna start to taper off.
32:06 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: where Julio plays such great defense in center field, but he could make up some ground in that way on judge.
32:13 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: In just one specific year, I'm not talking about over a five-year stretch, it's in one year, where tarick Scoob will still as prime, and it's so hard to rack up the strikeouts that he racks up and just the pure stuff that he has, that's why I'm leading more Julio.
32:30 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the gap is small enough between Wu and Terrick Scooble, where you Wu could give himself a really good chance.
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also got the ballpark advantage over Terrick Scooble.
32:42 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like the best version of Brian Wu has a chance against Terrikskubal as opposed to if you get the best version of Julio versus the best version of Aaron Judge like it's not even close because we're talking I mean Julio could rack up eight or nine war, but we were a season removed from Bobby wet putting up over ten wins and losing to Aaron Judge.
33:08 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: that's the other part of this I was going to bring up is Julio also has to compete with people like Bobby Witt who in the last two years has put up wars of ten and eight and again this is no knock on Julio this is Bobby Witt is also an incredible incredible baseball player so yes it's fierce competition
33:26 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But Julio's also got such a ceiling where he can do it at some point.
33:29 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people for his crazy expectations as this is, expect him to win an MVP at some point.
33:36 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the prime age to do it.
33:39 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good we disagree on this.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go with Brian Will.
33:42 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it lines up a little bit better for him.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I love Brian Will.
33:45 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So if he wins a siong, so I'm going to sign me all the way up.
33:48 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Jason on Twitter.
33:52 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Hang with me for a second.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a bit of a long question.
33:55 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: In this season where the Seoxomariners are both celebrating their 50-year anniversary have a chance for both to go win a championship.
34:03 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: One, the Seox, did things in the off season to try and help make that happen.
34:09 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: While the other Mariners, let's just say, have not.
34:13 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And a year, which the Mariners could have cemented their legacy and their absolute adoration of their fan base to continue to do things.
34:21 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Mariners way, the Mariners did not do enough this off season.
34:29 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, and he said, why not?
34:31 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why not.
34:32 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He ends up with that.
34:33 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
34:35 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, man, I think the mayor's off season isn't done.
34:39 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we got to see what the last piece is that they add.
34:41 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If they end their off season like this, yes, that's not enough.
34:44 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It was great, you brought back Josh Nailer, but there are too many marginal moves in addition to Nailer that have been made.
34:50 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think a big piece of their off season has yet to be fulfilled, and it's this last trade they're gonna make for a bat.
34:57 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if it becomes Nailer and Brendan Donovan or Nailer and Nico Horner, it's a good off season.
35:05 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: as front facing and as, you know, kind of, run is, that's a word, right?
35:11 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Or blunt, sorry, as anybody, as in terms of how last off season went, which was, you know, I mean, it was nothing short of an atrocity at the time.
35:20 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But we haven't sat here and said anything like that this off season because I don't think it's true.
35:24 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've actually done exactly what you should expect them to do this winter with the caveat of one more piece has yet to be added and I think it will be added.
35:34 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't think you can compare NFL off seasons in MLB off seasons.
35:38 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What the siogs get to do every off season is they get to draft a whole new class of players that will be on their roster playing in a few months.
35:48 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners don't get that option in an off season to do that.
35:51 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything they do is be a trader for your agency.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So with that,
35:56 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If we go back, let's go back to July, and I'm just going to give you the names they signed or trade it for.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You tell me whether or not you thought in the moment the C.O.X had a good enough season.
36:06 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Cooper Cup, Demarcus Lawrence, Sam Darnold.
36:11 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they had a good off season based off of that?
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was all right.
36:16 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what Cooper Cup was gonna be.
36:18 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I figured he would basically be this and he's more of a veteran receiver who's more like he's mostly a possession guy.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly didn't think the market's Lawrence would do what he's done this year.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been unbelievable.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been a savior to that defensive front.
36:33 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, at face value, I thought the Seahawks would still be roughly a 10-win team, but it's not like they went out and traded for Max Crosby.
36:42 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they didn't.
36:44 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think this the ox had like a championship off season before they drafted.
36:49 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Once they drafted, then things start to look a lot better, but the Mariners don't have an option to do that.
36:55 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't add a graze able in a Nick Emen worry.
36:58 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: to their lineup to go mash those guys have to marinate in the minors for three years before they can come up in the mariner's while they can try and control that they don't really get to control that during an off season they have to do everything through a sign in a trade and the mariner's off season as you said has been perfectly fine they sign Josh Nieler does everyone forget they sign Josh Nieler nearly a hundred million dollar contract
37:22 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_00]: and treat it for for air and sign Rob refs netters.
37:25 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fine off season right now with one more bat.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be good off season.
37:29 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, with the caveat that they go make that last move for one more impact bat.
37:33 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a good off season.
37:34 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They have to go do that and we're holding them to that standard.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they do that, it'll be a good off season.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Mariners know that.
37:42 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Mariners are content with the current line up they have.
37:46 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance, Jason also meant, look, the seahawks made the tough decision of firing an offensive coordinator after one season.
37:55 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Grubb, and replaced him with someone else, Clint Kubiak, they also swapped out offensive line coaches, and a few other spots on their coaching staff and keep positions to sort of overhaul what they needed.
38:08 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners didn't really do that.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you think that could be part of it?
38:13 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we talked about, we thought there should absolutely be an in-game strategist that was added and it wasn't to our knowledge.
38:21 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they did lose a few coaches, but it was because they were poached away for other jobs.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony Arnold, Christopher Negrone, those guys.
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they didn't really do much with the coaching staff.
38:33 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I did think there would be some more new faces on the coaching staff.
38:36 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that there's none, but I thought there'd be a few more, and there's not.
38:40 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be something to watch as the season goes on, sure.
38:43 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't really make an offensive coordinator change in baseball the way you can and football.
38:48 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, excuse me, let me hold myself to that.
38:51 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: When the Mariners tried that, it blew up in their face.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they were going to do that again.
38:56 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to explain to people that don't get your reference?
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
38:59 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've probably gained lots of listeners since then.
39:02 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If you guys might remember on 2024, the Mariners sided, let's got service.
39:11 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They had hitting coaches.
39:12 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, we need an offensive coordinator.
39:16 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So they hired Brent Brown as their offensive coordinator.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He was fired before June.
39:23 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't really work out.
39:26 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And the offense was a total disaster.
39:28 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And some of the rumbling from inside that clubhouse were it felt like a math equation trying to understand what brand Brown was talking about.
39:35 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
39:36 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Matt, we amounted to the pitch on Edgar was simplified.
39:40 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And for at least last season with him in Kevin Sightser, it worked.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They hate great.
39:45 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, and to be fair, they swapped offensive coordinators in the off season.
39:50 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Last off season.
39:51 --> 39:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, this offseason.
39:53 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when your offense hits the third most homeruns in baseball, not as much of a need for that.
39:59 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Josh on Instagram.
40:02 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh's question is, Dom Kinzone had identical stats to Roman Anthony in 2025.
40:09 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is there no confidence in him?
40:13 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, Kinzone had a good year.
40:16 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he didn't have a good few months, but one
40:20 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a lot older, Ken Zone is 28.
40:24 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Roman Anthony was 21.
40:25 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Roman Anthony was the number one prospect in baseball and expected to be a superstar.
40:30 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's proven he is looking to be that.
40:33 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Canzone was never really tabbed as that.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Roman Anthony is also a really good defender.
40:38 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Canzone is not really known for his defense, and canzone struggled in the postseason.
40:44 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Where again, we saw a really great stretch throughout the summer from him, but I think people need to see more.
40:50 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: To compare him to Roman Anthony, I just don't think it's fair.
40:53 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Roman Anthony may win an MVP in his own right.
40:57 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The offensive numbers, yes, we're similar.
40:59 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to pick one number, like specifically to look at why they're different, why Mariners fans don't have as much confidence in Dom canzone and maybe the Mariners themselves don't.
41:12 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom's biggest crutch offensively, is that he's a bit of a free swinger.
41:17 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't walk that much, and when you can walk, you give yourself a ability to control the strike zone.
41:23 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So if a pitcher is throwing you pitches out of the strike zone, you are totally comfortable leaving your bat on your shoulder and taking your walk.
41:30 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom doesn't walk that much, which means he chases a little bit.
41:35 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: When you chases a little bit, you open yourself up to weaknesses.
41:39 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Roman Anthony, when he was in the minors, had a walk rate of nearly 20% when he's in the majors, his walk rate was about 12%.
41:46 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Really good for 21 year old and you'd only expect that to get better as he gets older.
41:51 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Domkin's own right now is supposed to be in his peak as a baseball player at 28 years old.
41:57 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If this is the best version of Domkin's own, you could get with.
42:01 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_00]: the holes in his offense without being able to contribute value either on the base paths or in the field.
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You could see why there would be a little bit of concern.
42:10 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance Dom canzone comes out and has another 750 to 800 OPS and is quality bat in the Mariners lineup throughout next year.
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we could, you know, our concerns could be wrong.
42:22 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you don't contribute as much valuable in all areas like Roman does, it leaves you up for criticism.
42:30 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all fair.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what Dom does this year.
42:33 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he billed on what he did last year.
42:36 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Final question of the smell bag comes from Peter on Instagram and Peter's question is, can you revisit your preseason mariner's predictions from last year?
42:46 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Peter said they'd miss the playoffs.
42:49 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: 86 wins and missing the playoffs.
42:52 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, if they had 186 games, they would have missed the playoffs.
42:58 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: the final wild card was 87 wins last year.
43:03 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said the mayor's win 88 and be a wild card team.
43:08 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Specific props, I'm trying to remember.
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We definitely did not have Cal Raleigh doing what he did.
43:12 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said, oh, didn't I say Brian, who was going to make the All Star Game I did?
43:18 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that, but
43:23 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: and shock you, again, I've been always always high on Bryan Wu.
43:28 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said this year after the way he finished off 24.
43:31 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, yeah, 25, he's gonna be an ulcer.
43:33 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He was.
43:34 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it this year last year, we did the Julio stolen base prop?
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was in 2024.
43:40 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, any went way under way under.
43:43 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes 30, 30 this year, right?
43:47 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember any of those other predictions that we did in our preseason episode.
43:50 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we don't really write them all out.
43:53 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't remember them as much, but I do vividly remember.
43:56 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I said it multiple places.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: 86 wins miss playoffs.
44:02 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I was wrong.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners proved me wrong at the deadline.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me clarify something.
44:06 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We do write it out.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't keep it in our folders for months.
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't archive it.
44:11 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the time we had all of it written out on our notes.
44:14 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we still have it saved.
44:17 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's six missing the playoffs.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I remember, right?
44:20 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So the mayor's would be about a wild card team and I did say Ryan Louis would be an all star.
44:25 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not envision at the beginning of the season that the Mariners would have both Gino and Josh Nailer on the roster at the end of the year, which would have significantly boosted the win total.
44:35 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I was basing it off of the rowdy to Les Donovan Solano with a good pitching staff.
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was wrong all over the place.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What I was thinking.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll make an early season prediction.
44:46 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I said it when he signed elsewhere.
44:49 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Jorge Polago will be back on the Mariners at the trade deadline.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think the bets are going to be very good.
44:56 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's on a two-year deal.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The bets will have to eat some of that money.
45:00 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But we also know the Mariners wanted to bring Polo back.
45:02 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So they got a chance at the deadline and he's playing well.
45:05 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't be shocked.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
45:10 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I legitimately believe that if the bets are bad,
45:14 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_01]: well let's hope so yeah you're really popular in the state in New York or this podcast specifically really popular within the state in New York because of the the MVP race and now this I know yeah we had we had some Yankees and Metz fans mad over our MVP stuff with Kyle and then saying after they signed polo yeah he's just gonna be a mayor and again in six months he's doing his demon Williams yeah except that one won't be his own choice
45:44 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true, let me be the Mariners and Met's choice.
45:46 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the... Demon Williams, that whole story is a disaster.
45:51 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least he's back.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Great, I'm sure the teammates are thrilled about it.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good mail bag.
45:59 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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