Lyle and TJ react to the news of Bryce Miller settling his arbitration case with the Mariners (9:18). They then discuss the factors that led to Felix Hernandez getting a huge boost in the hall of fame voting, and what that means for baseball going forward (20:01).
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00:00 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But when episode number 353 of the Marine Lair podcast, there are some great news coming at a Marinersland about Felix Hernandez and his whole fame can to say he took a huge jump in your two as the results came out.
00:12 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Today we'll talk about that and we'll talk about Bryce Miller getting his arbitration case resolved in a very good manner.
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00:49 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday evening, January 20th, a couple of housekeeping notes before we get into the conversation we'll have today, reminder.
01:17 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, February 11th, Queen Ann Beer Hall, Marine Lair podcast trivia night.
01:22 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have not put it in your calendar yet, now's a great time to put it in your calendar.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Allow it to pause for the people again.
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: This is your opportunity.
01:30 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Allow it to take five seconds to pause so you can put the trivia night in your calendar.
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01:35 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three, four, five.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, great.
01:41 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for putting that in your calendar.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And we look forward to seeing all of you there at Queen and Beer Hall on February 11th.
01:47 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a great way to get us ushered into spring training, get us ready for the game starting and the regular season.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to hang out with us and eat some good food.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:56 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we get you the exact time, which again, we'll be in the evening, then you can update your calendar and put a time in.
02:02 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: and one more thing a lot when I officially have our fan fest days we'll be there both days of fan fest this year so if you're coming to one day of fan fest and you're worried you're gonna miss us don't worry we will be there both saturday and sunday i can't promise how long we'll be there for
02:18 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're there, there's a good chance you'll see us.
02:21 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be we'll be roaming around.
02:23 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It should be a lot of fun Good opportunity for content if you want to get on the microphone and you want to spit a take about this Mariners season or the Off season that was or do a trivia or something like that.
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We will be around Please come find us.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Please come send a DM.
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We're happy to coordinate for the people as we all get ready because it's
02:41 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: it's an exciting lineup of players and to get all the fans out of no Saturday sold out so should be a lot of fun and we will be there with everybody else and they got a bunch of the big prospects going to so you got all the big name players or at least a lot of them and then you get a bunch of the blue chip prospects so all the events aren't enough of a reason to go
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: you should be a lot of players you want to talk to.
03:02 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you really want to scrape at the bottom of the barrel for any other reasons, once you get past the players and the events and the prospects and the food, and you really want to scrape at the bottom of the barrel, we'll be there too.
03:14 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think name redacted will be there?
03:19 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
03:20 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we got 10 days to try to trade for them.
03:25 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So?
03:26 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think he will be there.
03:29 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Because even if they trade for him in the next four or five days, is he really gonna be ready to get out to fan fest?
03:35 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be a good, welcoming into the Mariners community.
03:39 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If he was like in town, like if he's in town on the 31st and first, that's not the worst idea in the world.
03:45 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we got this trade to finish out our off season.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Come see him.
03:52 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: People who aren't so unfriend and donovan,
03:57 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
03:58 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to have to start a Brendan Donovan jar, where every time we say his name before the Mariners trade for him, you just have to start putting a dollar in?
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a swear jar.
04:05 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The Marine Layer podcast, Brendan Donovan, swear jar.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the last time I'm saying his name.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because I had to put his name on the jar.
04:13 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the name Redacted jar.
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude, if we had an actual swear jar, we'd be bankrupt.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We would be bankrupt.
04:20 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead we're going to make it a little bit harder and hold ourselves, I think, a little more accountable and we're going to do a name or a deck to jar.
04:27 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So if someone says the word name or a deck to it on this podcast, they submit a dollar into the Marine Lair podcast, jar.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:37 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Great deal.
04:38 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Easy enough?
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:40 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
04:40 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was not much other news to talk about, not much movement elsewhere, besides the fact that the Mariners according to some some trolls online could be one of the two mystery teams in on Cody Belinger, but I don't believe that at all.
04:53 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead we're going to go talk about any of the real news that that happened today.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's Cody Belinger's agent again?
05:00 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott Pores.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not coming.
05:05 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the Mariners are quote-unquote in on Cody Ballinger just like they were quote-unquote in on Alex pregnant.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: 1 for 65?
05:13 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The offers been out there before reportedly by her great sources at Reddit.
05:22 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Cody Ballinger would take a 1 for 65.
05:29 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd top Kyle Tucker's A.V.
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be a record.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Good for Cody.
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that's like the only real free agent news out there today.
05:38 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're honestly we're not even going to bother talking about it.
05:40 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of like a fun topic.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have a really fun topic for next Monday's episode.
05:45 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So if this episode coming out on Wednesday, whoever standard mailbag coming out on Friday, and then on Monday,
05:54 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Given there are no transactions, don't think there're going to be any transactions, must they surprise us.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a fun topic that loud and I will do.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That we've already planned out.
06:04 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be good.
06:05 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as we have talked about this, we do want to get back to having guests on.
06:09 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We would like the off season to conclude.
06:11 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then to get everything sorted out before we have more guests on, that would be nice.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be ideal.
06:17 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Because otherwise, we'd just be having guests on to talk about a whole lot of what-ifs, rather than we can talk about a definitive team, the season ahead, et cetera.
06:28 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Having Dallas break-in on was great, because you could still do a little bit of hot stuff talk with them, plus you could do so many other topics, like we talked Felix, we talked his own career.
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's had a bunch of the,
06:38 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: pitchers.
06:39 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talked to a bunch of the Mariners pitchers like having Brian Wu on his show and the slab lab, so that one worked, but with a lot of other guests, yeah, it feels like we need to see the offseason stabilize and actually close out before we have them back on, because we want the best possible content and conversations that we can have.
06:58 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are essentially saving a podcast for when name redacted gets traded.
07:04 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have to do that too, because honestly at this point, wow, whether or not he gets traded to the Mariners, that's gonna be the main subject of a podcast.
07:14 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if he doesn't get traded period or he gets traded elsewhere, you better believe it's gonna be a subject.
07:18 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
07:19 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're waiting for before we go into season preview mode.
07:25 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to tell the people what we're gonna do for Monday's episode or do you wanna save it?
07:31 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell them.
07:32 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to rank our top 50 players, Mariners players of all time, now that the Mariners will release their list of that this season, that's voted on by the fans.
07:41 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a podcast episode and go one through 50 and we're getting this idea by the way, our friends at Lockdown Mariners did this for an episode and I said, oh, that's a great idea.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do it for us too.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't heard theirs, you can go check theirs out.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to do our own.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have a prediction here.
07:59 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like our one through 30, we'll probably contain all of the same players in some order, roughly.
08:05 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Our 30 through 50 is going to be incredible, especially 40 to 50.
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to start actually like ranking this out.
08:14 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some just unhinged names on that list.
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is Mike Zinino going to be?
08:23 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What's insane is he's going to be on that list when I say there's going to be diabolical names on this list there is this is the mariners we're talking about people Mike's and he know had one good one good season as a mariner and got sent down to trip late because he was not good enough like three or four seasons I can't remember exactly how many into his bigly career and he will be among the top 50 greatest players ever in franchise history
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That means crazy.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about this.
08:54 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He was the best catcher in Mariners history before Cal.
08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This franchise man.
09:03 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: His peak was better than dance peaks.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
09:08 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
09:08 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not much to argue about there.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's going to be a diabolical list.
09:15 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll say I want to tune in tune in to Monday's episode as for this episode.
09:20 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The one actual tidbit of Mariners news today is that Brice Miller's arbitration got settled doesn't in the end.
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's you said it made you nervous didn't seem like it was that big of a deal.
09:31 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners filed at 2.2 million Brice filed at 2.6 million
09:36 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They essentially agree to meet right in the middle and the Mariners give Bryce a club option for 2026 or 2027, sorry.
09:45 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So he has a set amount for next year if he wants it, otherwise the team can decline his option if they feel that and then they'll go to arbitration again.
09:56 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like a big nothing, right?
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: This seems pretty standard for Bryce.
10:00 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not that much to dive in on here, but since there is Mariners news, we figured we'd update people.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically if Bryce has a great year next year, he's gonna potentially make some extra money.
10:11 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, they negotiate again.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, the money is what it'll be.
10:16 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The number for next year is six.
10:18 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought this was a bit of a bigger story than the number they agreed on this year because the way it usually goes from RBR 1 to RBR 2 is your RBR 2 is roughly double what your RBR 1 is.
10:34 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce is in his first year of arbitration this year and gets 2.4 million.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to double that, you'd get 4.8.
10:42 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But Bryce is instead potentially gets a club option already for this year getting 6 million next year.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a pretty generous increase.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think that's really good for him.
10:54 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners put a nice offer on the table.
10:56 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So credit to all sides of this thing.
11:00 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I wonder if he's getting extra money in year two of arbitration because he's a super two guy, which again, if you don't know what super two is, that means you accrued enough service time in the first couple years of your career where you actually get four years of arbitration rather than three.
11:17 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And since Bryce got called up in early 2023, but not early enough where he gained back a year of service time, aka like,
11:26 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't gain an extra year before free agency, like the Mariners still kept his six year rights, and it didn't count toward 23.
11:33 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why the Mariners get them under team control for, not just 23, but 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29.
11:39 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So they get them for those six years, but since they called them up after the deadline in 2023,
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: that year doesn't count.
11:47 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But since Bryce played enough in 2023, along with 24 and 25, he gets four years of arbitration.
11:54 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So he gets to make extra money four years instead of three.
11:57 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if that's a reason he's getting a little bit more coming next year.
12:01 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be, but I honestly feel like the super two would be a reason that you wouldn't give him more money because he's going to have an extra year to negotiate his salary and for his salary to increase in the eyes of the arbiter because if his number next year's bigger, that means the number of the year after is going to be even bigger by a multiple
12:24 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the number after that, given he doesn't have a catastrophic injury, will be even bigger than that.
12:31 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean, Bryce Miller, if he stays healthy, any performs to a, let's say a roughly three to three and a half
12:48 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be making your $20 million in his last year of ARP, right?
12:53 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be close and mind you, as we talked about here on this podcast, the numbers, the number of the tigers filed for tarick school is $19 million, which, again, seem laughable compared to compared to the number of school filed, which is $32 million, but the tiger's number would have been the highest salary ever for an arbitration pitcher in that year.
13:17 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So having Bryce get close to that number because he's got four years of Arb, be pretty impressive, right?
13:24 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So the progression I feel like at this point would be Bryce gets 2.4 this year.
13:30 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna get six next year if he picks up this option.
13:35 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Then in your three, you would think he gets 11 to 12 million, and then that final year before free agency is gonna be very telling, whether or not he gets close to that 20 number, he could very easily get
13:47 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd very easily get $18 million out of that on a four-year escalation.
13:53 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see given how that six number is specifically.
13:58 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Give her hand if he gets that because that's also under the assumption that he's going to keep getting better and better, and he's going to earn that money in arbitration.
14:05 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't that, that means he's going to be a lot more like 2024, Bryce Miller.
14:09 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Why does first year of arbitration matter so much for these players because it can set you up?
14:14 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It can set you up for what you're going to make your entire arbitration.
14:19 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a career year, your first year, the year before you go into arbitration, even if you're just like an average player, it can make you a few extra million dollars.
14:32 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: just over the course of the escalations because of where that first number was.
14:37 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's why it's a huge bummer when guys are hurt going into that first year of arbitration, it's like being hurt going into free agents because it sets the precedent throughout.
14:46 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's good on the mariners that they essentially gave him some escalator, even even though he was hurt going into this year.
14:56 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So Logan made $4 million his first year in arbitration, just for some context.
15:01 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And Logan's gonna be a four-year-art guy, too, because I think he was also a super, too.
15:06 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So he made four Kirby made, let's check this really quick.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just curious where their levels were at compared to prices.
15:15 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So Logan made a little bit more.
15:17 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's first year of arbitration, he made 4.3 and prices making 2.4, which given the year he had last year, it makes sense.
15:25 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember their second years, what it said?
15:28 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby and year two made, well, this is year two for our, but I think for him this year, he is gonna make six and a half this year, which is actually right around what Bryce is supposed to make next year and year two, right?
15:42 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Kirby's gonna make that into consideration.
15:44 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:45 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So Kirby made six and a half in your two, Bryce is going to make six million $75.
15:51 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: This is pretty good.
15:53 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And now the bummer for Bryce isn't Bryce gets hurt, then the Meredith would decline this club option and they'd have to negotiate again, and which case he would not make six million dollars most likely.
16:04 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Logan in your two of arbitration, so this past year in 2025, he made $7.6 million, which checks out because of those three he's been the best.
16:16 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So Bryce just has like a full healthy season.
16:18 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's set up pretty well to be innocent in line with Kirby earnings wise and arbitration.
16:23 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So good on the Mariners for putting in Bryce for working this out, putting this together and giving Bryce a runway to make
16:31 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: the money I think he would have earned if he had been healthy last year, unfortunately he wasn't and he couldn't replicate that 2024, but if he's healthy in 26 shows that he's still got that in him, then he will make the amount he should have made in arbitration in 2027.
16:47 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If they play a season in 2027, because there was also a report out today that the owners are even more dead set on a salary cap and are willing to do quote whatever it takes.
16:55 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe
17:00 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that's all on that.
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:04 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say just based off the conversation we had on Monday because we had a long dialogue about potential salary cap ideas and if you listen on Monday's podcast, which you should go check out the whole thing.
17:15 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ and I were talking through some ideas about what it could look like and how it could look so it benefits the players and you're not giving these owners an out for just being cheap.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say I don't think either of us
17:27 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: have a incredibly definitive stance on this.
17:29 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're both of us lean toward on Monday was we're starting to be more open-minded about the idea of a salary cap, only because after seeing what happened with Kyle Tucker and Boba Shet, we had to have some real conversations about is the current model sustainable, which if you listen to Buster Olney on the Jeff baseball show, he said that
17:50 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: MLB's model for revenue and for player salaries has been broken for a hundred years longer than that.
17:58 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So it does seem like there's some people coming around to this.
18:02 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'll at least speak for me.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming I'm speaking for both of us.
18:06 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have it in insanely strong stance one way or another.
18:10 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: About half to do this, half to do that.
18:13 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just starting to have to have some real conversations about what it could look like going forward and what could benefit both sides going forward.
18:20 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because it seems like something's gonna change
18:28 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: you let the Dodgers keep doing this and it benefiting other teams.
18:34 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't go back and listen to our Monday episodes.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to like rehash everything here.
18:40 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I just struggled to think about like just seeing the backlash and the reaction after all of this.
18:45 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: How baseball continues without stricter restrictions at the top.
18:50 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Not just tax.
18:51 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you would need to like hammer these teams that go over, which like in the NBA model, which we've talked about earlier in the offseason when they do, they have like the first apron and the second apron.
19:03 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And you start losing draft picks, you start losing, I think you get taxed a ton and you get fined.
19:12 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it also restricts your ability to sign players and trade for players.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If I remember it, right?
19:21 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause the NBA has some different rules and their acquisition structure.
19:25 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But it really hampers you not just in how much money comes out of your pocket.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You should go listen to Monday's episode because we talk about it a lot.
19:37 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm just starting to lean toward more ideas.
19:42 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not set on anything.
19:45 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's fair to have some conversations about this.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well plenty of time to talk about it.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Next off season.
19:51 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have nothing else to talk about.
19:54 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll have some MLB the show streams to talk about.
19:56 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when we're not playing MLB to show, we're talking to Trevor May.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, plenty of time to talk about it.
20:01 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing we're will I think get to talk about next off season that is not hinged on the CBA is the whole of fame voting and the Mariners got some amazing news in the whole of fame voting today.
20:16 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Felix Hernandez had his voting percentage jump.
20:20 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: from 20% last year, all the way up to over 45% and 2026, the largest year over year increase in baseball history for a player.
20:35 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Does this not make you happy?
20:37 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like is this not the greatest thing that the voters are turning around in favor of Felix Hernandez?
20:44 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
20:45 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: My opinion as far as today and as recently as today,
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: has changed on Felix.
20:52 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe forever that after he was done in 2019, that he just didn't have a long enough prime to get in.
20:58 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I would love to see Felix get in, but I had set my expectations that it may not happen, and I was prepared for it not to happen.
21:07 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: After what happened today, in year two on the ballot for Felix, I've done a 180.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I now think he's gonna get in.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It may not be next year.
21:17 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But by the time it's 10 years runs out, you will see us plaque in Cooper's town.
21:23 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I thought the same thing when Felix's career was over.
21:28 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe this is on me for not doing my proper research maybe not even until now, because I have some stats and tidbits that are already tweeted out here in Tuesday night.
21:36 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'd like to talk about on here when we're comparing him to some other Hall of Fame pictures, but just the sediment around it,
21:48 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: When asked after the first time he was on the ballot, it's like guys can you take a look at his profile, take a look at it and make some decisions for yourself, the seed that many people give Felix a vote and a voter's block where someone at left him off their ballot for Rick Porcelo still able to gain that much.
22:13 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_01]: 25% of the vote if he has another year like that where he gains that many voters Lyle He's on the doorstep of the whole of fame 25 more percent from where he is right now Is 70% or sorry 71% he would then only need 4% more voters to put him in the Hall of Fame Like that's all he needs he needs like a hundred and like rough math like a hundred and twenty more people to vote for him and he goes in
22:43 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And even if he doesn't get another 25% jump next year, and it happens over four or five more years, that's still plenty of time.
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd get in by that.
22:51 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you wanna hope that it's gonna happen sooner than that, and hope to see another big jump, there's a real chance he could take another big jump next year, because look at what the 2027 Hall of Fame ballot's gonna look like.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: the returning guys on the ballot that are going to have the best chance.
23:07 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So for people that may be living under a rock or didn't happen to see the Hall of Fame results here on Tuesday, Andrew Jones and Carlos Beltran both got in.
23:17 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the two inductees for this year along with Jeff Kent who is grandfathered in.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So those three are going to be the class.
23:23 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2027, the returning players on the ballot that are going to have the highest votes are
23:30 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Chase Otley who's going to be the highest returning voter who at least in 2024 only got 39.8% of the votes.
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: After that it was a rod.
23:43 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: A rod was second behind Otley after 24 and even though I think a rod absolutely had a Hall of Fame career, it doesn't feel like he's going to get in because bonds and Clemens and some others didn't get in.
23:54 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you get past those
23:58 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you see Felix, there's not that many guys ahead of them.
24:03 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So for a ballot that's already going to be shrunk for next year in terms of deserving candidates, somebody's going to have to cast some votes next year for some players.
24:11 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: and Felix of the returning players is very high on that list.
24:15 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The only first-year player on next year's ballot, who could even garner a case to get in the first time around, would be Buster Posey.
24:23 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I even think with him, it may take some time, because he's an interesting case in his own right.
24:29 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He never had the counting stats, but between winning an MVP and being a massive part of three world titles, it feels like eventually he will get in.
24:39 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not sure if he'll be a first ballot guy.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you there.
24:43 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I've so many things to to note about this.
24:46 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, um, Cole Hamles, I think was under Felix.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he should be getting more Hall of Fame votes too.
24:53 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Realize he yeah, he he's got Felix beat in a lot of numbers in a similar amount of innings.
25:01 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference between Felix and Cole Hammels is that I never classified Cole Hammels as the best picture in baseball, where you could classify Felix as the best picture in baseball over a stretch of his career.
25:12 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's some numbers to back it up that we'll talk about here in a second.
25:15 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But Cole Hammels said a really good career.
25:17 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And he did not, I don't believe he got the same vote percentage as, you know, what a Cole,
25:23 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: here.
25:24 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got it.
25:25 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So for those wondering about Felix for the returning ballot next year, the only guys that are ahead of Felix and voting is Chase Otley, who's got some time left on the ballot because that was just a third year.
25:35 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Andy Petit, who next year it'll be as ninth year on the ballot, doesn't feel like he's going to get in.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the only guys ahead of Felix.
25:43 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of Cole Hammels, he got 23.8% of the votes on his first year on the
25:51 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and maybe he'll get the same year over your bump that Felix will.
25:55 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
25:56 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I stumbled across a tweet from somebody pointing out look like This Felix really deserve to be that far in front of them, but the year difference does matter for those two.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, Lyle.
26:07 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to take a guess who else is on the ballot for the first time next year?
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Jamerner.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
26:13 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked.
26:13 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be one Kyle Seager Kyle Seager.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Not he's a hall of very good
26:20 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... perhaps a hall of good thirty seven career war nothing to doesn't stop at very very very good career and made a lot of money doing that which ultimately should be the goal he got his health care for life everything uh... but he probably won't get about of he probably will not get a vote if he does get a vote
26:39 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably fall off the bat in the air and then up I'm sorry I even have to bring this up while I have to ask this question because he's been so polarizing and so in the news and I feel like there's someone out there that's going to do it because they think it's funny Does Trevor Bower get a vote in the Hall of Fame next year God like I have to ask He's on the ballot next I guess he hasn't played in major league baseball since
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: 21.
27:08 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
27:09 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:13 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
27:14 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's move on.
27:15 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the name and I was like, oh my god, no way, but I think it sets up really well for Felix next year to get a lot of votes.
27:24 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There are of course the voters that will not just plain not fill out their ballot.
27:28 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There was like Bob Knight and Gale, who's the pressman of the the the baseball writers association by the way, only use three votes.
27:34 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and one of them was on Omar Viscale for some reason.
27:37 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So
27:38 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there there are people like that that will that will do things like that.
27:42 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know what, let's just even say the words here on the podcast.
27:46 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's leave no doubt.
27:48 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No Trevor Bauer will not be getting Hall of Fame votes.
27:52 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
27:52 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just checking.
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again someone voted for Rick Porcelo.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was gonna save it till the end.
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still gonna do that because there's a couple other feelings points.
28:02 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hit, but do not let us let end this episode do not let me end the episode without Talking about that.
28:09 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:10 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a great case for Felix to make the whole the whole family and Hembo or friend friend of the pod tweeted this out.
28:16 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna.
28:16 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he he listed out Let's how many pictures we have here.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We have seven pictures
28:24 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, six pictures.
28:26 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
28:27 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Six pictures of this era and last era.
28:30 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Five of them are first bowed Hall of Famers and one of them is Felix Hernandez.
28:34 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Their best six, six season span by F. War.
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Clayton Curshows got the best one, 43.
28:39 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Then Roy Halliday, Max Scherzer, Felix, Justin Verlander, and C.C.
28:46 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sebathia.
28:47 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Curshaw Halliday Scherzer, Verlander Sebathia.
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
28:55 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you got Felix, right in middle of that pack.
28:58 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's ahead of both CC and Justin Verlander and peak six season war in Major League Baseball.
29:06 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:06 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Justin Verlander almost had two different Hall of Fame type careers, because he almost had one in Detroit and then another in Houston.
29:13 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But you combine it all together, is obviously one of the best ever.
29:17 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, Felix Hernandez had a better six year stretch of his career in terms of best peak than Burlander.
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
29:26 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He nearly was right on par with Mac Scherzer.
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He was less than a war worse than Mac Scherzer by best six year stretch of a career.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Mac Scherzer is,
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably going to be a unanimous Hall of Famer.
29:39 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who couldn't vote for that guy.
29:41 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm sure there are three sirens in that stretch.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And Felix got one should have been two.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's crazy.
29:50 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at that and it really makes you open your eyes.
29:54 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You do have to adjust your voting and your mindset toward voting a little bit to vote for Felix.
30:01 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you were voting on, was he a Hall of Famer in his prime, the answer is yes.
30:06 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I try and change people's mindsets on this?
30:09 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to compare him to CCC's sabbathe as specifically.
30:12 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: CCC and Felix had similar careers except for the variant.
30:17 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: CCC had a ton of longevity, pitched to always 38 years old, absolute workhorse, 3 strikeouts, no doubt Hall of Fame or I've no arguments whatsoever.
30:28 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you just look at these two guys, both got their careers started very early
30:36 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And both had their peaks until there were about 33-ish years older peaks or peak and then downfall from that point on.
30:45 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Felix from age 20 to 33, 47 baseball reference war, 2600 innings, 116 ERA plus which is ERA, but like WRC plus but ERA.
31:05 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: 52 Baseball Reference War, 2800 innings, 120 era plus, 2437 strikeouts, one-cyung, six-all-star appearances.
31:17 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The only difference between Felix and CC is that CC at the end of his career pitched five more seasons in which he accumulated a grand total of nine war and had an era of four point one-four.
31:30 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You're telling me those five years were the ones that got CC into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, but Felix being a fringe guy.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like does that sound right when I say it that way?
31:42 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because that means CC was roughly putting up a win in a half and it's final five years, which is an average starter by the end.
31:49 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the whole difference between first year and potentially not in, not in Cooper's town at all.
31:53 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, it doesn't make any sense.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They're the same picture.
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't believe that when I was looking those numbers up.
31:59 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, those are the facts, CC and Felix were essentially the same picture for their prompts.
32:07 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: One, reach 3 strikeouts because he's more durable and pitched later into his career.
32:12 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: One didn't do that, but at the peak, which is why we crown these guys in the Hall of Fame in the first place, they're both clearly Hall of Amers.
32:22 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So the more I read into this, the more I think if you're not putting Felix Hernandez on your ballot,
32:30 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: then you're not, I don't think you're processing what a Hall of Famer is correctly, because those final five years again, or what gives CC the counting stats, but I think it's bullshit that that would be the reason why it's like, he's like a huge step above Felix, like, yeah, no, not really.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of the same.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of the same.
32:53 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But one warpens stripes and one was on horseshit teams as an entire career and didn't get talked about.
32:58 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: One-one-world series, so they put you in the spotlight, but when you take all that away and you look at the numbers what people actually get voted into the Hall of Fame off of.
33:10 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You get a clearer picture and I also think for Felix, I think he's got a good chance here to usher in a new era, a Hall of Famer.
33:18 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at all the most recent guys to get into the Hall of Fame that are pitcher, starting pitcher specifically, CC, Roy Halliday, Mike Messina, Jack Morris, but he's a sort of an exemption because he got voted on the committee, Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez.
33:35 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Outside of Pedro, all those guys were high volume, high war guys, because they pitched for a long time.
33:44 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Felix, I think, has a chance to be the first of this current era of quote unquote load managing your pitching to get in the Hall of Fame.
33:54 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not to say Felix was load managed, but he's not.
33:58 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But his Hall of Fame case, I think, will set the precedent.
34:01 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: for what is needed in the future of baseball if we're gonna elect guys like Jacob DiGramins at the Hall of Fame.
34:08 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jacob DiGrambs a Hall of Famer.
34:11 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is Jacob DiGram is only thrown 1500 innings at Major League Baseball.
34:16 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to get in the Hall of Fame with that kind of numbers.
34:20 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But if Felix gets in, despite only pitching to least 33,
34:24 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: despite not aging while into his thirties, if he still gets in with that, I think that's going to help the case of guys like DeGrom, guys potentially like in a more unlikely scenario, say a Zack Wheeler who again, at points might be a Hall of Fame caliber pitcher but hasn't pitched long enough to be in the Hall of Fame.
34:46 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to open the door a little bit for these guys who are not going to accumulate the innings totals of Randy Johnson and a Roy Halliday and a Mike Messina, but instead a bar low because of how much more the guys do now with their arms.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's well said.
35:04 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Does Felix have to pave the way for somebody like to grom to get in?
35:07 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, to grom big market guy, more saiyongs, peak was better than Felix.
35:11 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it take Felix to pave the path?
35:14 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: it would be it would be a big start, I think their, I think the voters need to get in the right mindset of what a Hall of Famer looks like once they convince themselves that someone with Felix's resume is a Hall of Famer, then I think they could more easily wrap their mind around Jacob de Grombing Hall of Famer.
35:37 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: because they get Jacob to ground was a late bloomer.
35:40 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't start, he did not debut until he was 26, right?
35:47 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He was an old rookie and he didn't really peek until he was 30 years old.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So it just, and then he's dealt with injury.
35:56 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So the amount of available prime that you have on him is not,
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not very long.
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like Felix is prime.
36:03 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Kershaw's prime.
36:04 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Scherzer's prime It's not like Verlander's prime.
36:07 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a different Reason of evoted into the all of a But Felix just shows that as long as you're the greatest at your peak and your peak lasts at least six years Then you should have a good shot of being in the whole of him 12 said I Second all that I Got asked
36:30 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we got to hit on this one thing before we end the pod, but I was gonna ask about when you mentioned Kyle Seeker being on the ballad, I meant to do this a few minutes ago.
36:42 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he gonna be at the ballpark this year?
36:45 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I was thinking about it with this 50 greatest mariners thing.
36:49 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I would assume there's gonna be at some point in time during the year where they're gonna try to honor some of these guys, right?
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have to assume and then have them show up.
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Seeker's showing up.
37:00 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not sure.
37:04 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Though I did see it.
37:05 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I did see his picture.
37:08 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's alive.
37:09 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He is alive.
37:11 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It was on Twitter the other.
37:12 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This week.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what was he doing again?
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He was speaking at some small North Carolina college.
37:17 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
37:18 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:18 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Look like Kyle Seager.
37:21 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Normal.
37:24 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll shoot in out of a hot air balloon like Antonio Brown and news that Raiders can't have in 2019.
37:28 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just surprise everybody.
37:30 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be funny.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be pretty funny.
37:33 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But based on everyone that still works for the Mariners, I have a hard time thinking that Carl Seger would show up.
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he's probably in their top 10.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Top 10 will be interesting.
37:45 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly in the top 15.
37:47 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:48 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd put Carl Seger in my top 10.
37:51 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. That's fair.
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You better put A-Rot on your list, people.
37:55 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I better not see ballots with A-Rot off it.
37:57 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: A-Rot's at least in my top three.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just in order, or top four.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, I mean, really tough decision for top four.
38:06 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You got, I mean, you got four Hall of Fame players.
38:09 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could argue five or five.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Or five.
38:12 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Or five.
38:12 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about just mariners, obviously, it's Randy Griffey Edgar, each row.
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: A-Rot.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Felix and A-Rot.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so top six then.
38:21 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:23 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll be fun list.
38:24 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it on Monday.
38:26 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: God, I'm going to speak this into existence here for a second.
38:29 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Just thinking about Felix's Hall of Fame case.
38:31 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we get Felix on the pod before he gets in the Hall of Fame?
38:34 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we put that out into the world and into the ether to make it happen?
38:40 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He likes a post from the Marine Lair podcast and hits follow.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that would be a good start.
38:47 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, you're really good start.
38:51 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we'll tell him we'll do it wherever he wants.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants us to fly somewhere.
38:54 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd fly somewhere for that.
38:57 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Just got to get in his DMs.
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Need him to see the DM.
39:00 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:00 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: See, that's the problem we're in right now.
39:02 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's not following us, just harder for him to see DMs.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's a popular dude.
39:07 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
39:08 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got a massive following.
39:09 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless, unless somebody liked that follows you, it is very hard to get him to see a DM.
39:14 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
39:15 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Who would try though?
39:16 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if he was at the ballpark.
39:17 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll be at the ballpark this year at some point probably 50 greatest you would have to assume, right?
39:23 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:24 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, we'll try to speak it into existence just like we're trying to speak it into existence with a ride.
39:29 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We were trying to reach out to people about a month ago and didn't hear much again.
39:34 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's probably going to take a long time if it ever were to work.
39:37 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll keep trying because those would be two pretty monumental ones I will say think a rattle be at the park.
39:46 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: if he's invited, yeah, because don't like, don't you think he himself wants to be in grain back into all of this?
39:53 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he does.
39:56 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he does.
39:58 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd be down if he showed up.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the last time he came to a game.
40:01 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If he is invited, there's the key.
40:04 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If he is invited, I think he will show up.
40:09 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope they invite him.
40:11 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope so.
40:12 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think A-Rot himself really wants to get re-engrained.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's my guess.
40:18 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we invite David Ortiz, too?
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That'll be hilarious.
40:23 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a mariner.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to invite Adam Jones while you're at it?
40:27 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, Adam Jones, David Ortiz.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jason Veratech?
40:32 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's another, yeah.
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
40:35 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Who else?
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, let's invite Catell back.
40:39 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, this is the Pablo Lopez.
40:42 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Pablo Lopez and Catell, and we locked them in the Mariners clubhouse and can't let them go back to their teams.
40:49 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Freddie, we're all to two.
40:50 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, by the way, good Lord, if he actually ends up as a Dodger.
40:55 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If he actually ends up at the Dodger, pull the plug.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
41:06 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:06 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask you again, does it seem fair?
41:09 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, not really.
41:09 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can't do anything about a trade, but the rest of it, sure.
41:13 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Major League Baseball can veto trades.
41:16 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think they should seriously consider it.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But they won't.
41:20 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm serious, I think.
41:22 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they vetoed the podries.
41:26 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to give Aaron Judge like the 14-year contract.
41:29 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember that?
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They told the Padres no.
41:32 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If they can do that for free agency, I think they can do it for trades too.
41:37 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They can throw it.
41:38 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But they won't.
41:39 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they want to save the sport.
41:43 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Freddie Paralta is the difference maker here.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That team's already going to be insane.
41:49 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They should beat out the trade.
41:51 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Also it doesn't make any sense.
41:52 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers don't need starters.
41:55 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Collecting infinity stones, man.
42:02 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, either, image she in is a long reliever, and Rokey goes back to the bullpen for another year this year, or you trade somebody.
42:09 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then it's glass now, Otani, Yamamoto, snail, Freddie Perlta, with image she in, and Rokey in the bullpen.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Pull the plug.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If that happens.
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But Dodgers, the Dodgers always have starters get hurt.
42:25 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So guys like image she in would pitch this year anyway.
42:33 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not good for baseball.
42:36 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Free for all to should pitch as a brewer this year.
42:38 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's already not good for baseball.
42:40 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're already in two deep.
42:42 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, everything's probably going to change next year anyway.
42:46 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still think that in spite of us starting to lean toward more ideas for how to alter the sport and in terms of revenue.
42:54 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There, I still think Owners won deserve an out in absolutely no way, shape or form whatsoever.
43:02 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, there is a part of me that laughs at all this, because a lot of Owners across the game and a lot of people across the game deserve exactly this.
43:10 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not healthy to have all the good players in one market.
43:13 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, but I still laugh because a lot of the Owners deserve this.
43:17 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna pay your players, this is what happens.
43:21 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: but then you also have scumbags like Scott Morris who the reds offered what probably was a very fair market value for early day lacrosse and essentially told them to fuck off.
43:33 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I got to get to this last thing before we find out.
43:35 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please, please do, we've been we've gone on a side tangent.
43:40 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There is shitty Hall of Fame ballots every year.
43:44 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's honestly one of my hobbies to highlight them.
43:47 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: See what ballots come in from writers who clearly aren't watching the game and don't know what they're doing.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We may have one that takes the cake this year.
43:56 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So this comes from Steve Politi, Politi, however you say his name, think he works at some newspaper in New Jersey.
44:04 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Somehow he has garnered the right to vote for the Hall of Fame.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he did not vote for Felix Hernandez.
44:10 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you may say to yourself, all right, he didn't vote for Felix.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Felix, this case is not definitive.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everybody's gonna vote for him.
44:17 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Less than half the people voted for him this year.
44:19 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: where it gets ridiculous is who he voted for.
44:23 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So, this guy's Steve Poletti voted for Carlos Beltron.
44:28 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Hall of Famer.
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Jones, okay, just got in.
44:31 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Hammels, totally reasonable.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He also voted for Chase Otley, David Wright, Jimmy Rollins.
44:39 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He voted for a couple of the steroid users in A-Rod and Mani Ramirez.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He voted for Andy Petit.
44:45 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And you hear all those names and you say to yourself, okay, fair ballot.
44:50 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting that he wouldn't vote for Felix, if he's gonna vote for Cole Hammels and he's gonna vote for Andy Pettett and some others.
44:56 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, not everybody voted for Felix.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, TJ, there's one vote to go.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There's one vote to go on his ballot.
45:02 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And he did use all 10 guys, but he used his final vote.
45:07 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: On Rick fucking porcelo, Rick porcelo.
45:14 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that guy received a Hall of Fame vote.
45:19 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: At least he's off the ballot, so there's no risk of people voting for him again next year.
45:23 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean.
45:26 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a disgrace.
45:29 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Rick Porcelo currently owns the greatest Mickey Mouse sireng in the history of the award.
45:35 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention, he didn't even put up a league average ERA plus for his career.
45:40 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He was below a league average starter for his career.
45:43 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He has barely over 15 wins above replacement for his career.
45:46 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no case to be made for Rick Porcelo.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the odds you think he misread the name?
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't think so.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't think that this might have been a mistake.
45:59 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he either knows Rick Porcelo or he doesn't take his Hall of Fame ballot seriously.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be both.
46:08 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely believe he doesn't take it seriously.
46:11 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for those who don't remember Rick Porcelo's Hall of Fame ballot or Hall of Fame, what am I saying?
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Sigh young award, which was in 2016.
46:21 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He lost out to Justin Verlander in every single category that we are.
46:26 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I, if I have this right, Justin Verlander led major league baseball in war that year.
46:31 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He had three more wins to his name than Rick Porcelo in 2016.
46:35 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In addition to beating Porcelo in just about every category that they look at and take into account for the award.
46:44 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: but they gave it to Porcelo, because he had more pitcher wins than Justin Verlander.
46:51 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest boomer stat of all time, pitcher wins, which you could give up eight runs in a game and receive a win.
46:57 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He had more pitcher wins than they gave him the Saoyong.
47:00 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a stat that year, as I closed this out.
47:03 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a stat that year that if Justin Verlander had made every single one of his starts that year with his pitching line in 2016, for the Boston Red Sox.
47:12 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have ended up with more picture wins than Poor Sawah.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it beautiful?
47:20 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm sometimes baseball just writes itself.
47:23 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm serious, man.
47:24 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's time to start revoking people's Hall of Fame balance.
47:27 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: This is very clearly somebody that doesn't take it seriously.
47:30 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have players working their asses off from
47:34 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Early childhood to have great big league careers and go on to make the Hall of Fame.
47:39 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then these entitled, spoiled, greedy, asshole, non-ball-knowing writers go out of their way to vote for a guy who had 18 career wins above replacement to make the Hall of Fame.
47:55 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_00]: A career ERA plus that wasn't even weak average, a career ERA of four, four,
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: revoke ballots.
48:02 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If you see shit like this, you should get your ballot revoked.
48:06 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the most shocking is these ballots don't have to be public.
48:09 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone never has to see the light of day with this ballot, but not only did this ballot get out, it got out with the name on it, which again, kind of makes me think it was a mistake.
48:20 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, like, you think of all the steps that need to go on to.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Step number one, receive ballot.
48:25 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Step number two, fill out your ballot while checking Rick Porcelo.
48:29 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Step three, signing your name.
48:31 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Step four, checking the box that makes your ballot public with your name on it.
48:36 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You can also make a ballot public without your name on it.
48:39 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But this ballot had a name on it.
48:42 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even kidding.
48:44 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I would start giving Hall of Fame ballots to prominent people in new age baseball media and baseball Twitter over some of these writers.
48:53 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take about half the people voting for this award and I'd start giving them to content creators.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I would give one to Corrovis.
48:59 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I would give one to Dallas Braiden.
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd give one to foolish baseball.
49:03 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd give one to Fuzzy.
49:04 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd give one to all these people before these writers because I shit you not.
49:09 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I fully believe those people would do a better job voting for the Hall of Fame and represent the sport and the players that are worthy better than these writers.
49:22 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_01]: argument for me now we can't want it out to every content creator on the internet because there are some trolls out there who would probably again only vote for certain players well but yeah i mean ben verlanders not getting one but but one vote ever cast yeah well too one will be for his brother and then one will be for show hey once he gets in yep but
49:50 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, there would have to be some application process to get accepted and qualified to do it.
49:56 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some of it would have to be fan approval, but I'd let those people, and maybe player approvals another part of it to give these people balance.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would give a bunch of those people balance.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: over some of the writers that have him right now.
50:08 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a factor other people into this too.
50:09 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You could give Greg Ames thing or a ballot to vote.
50:12 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You could give.
50:13 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Does he not get one?
50:14 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
50:16 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought there were some media types like that.
50:17 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually maybe that's a different award.
50:19 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is only writers.
50:20 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it should not just be BBWA.
50:23 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Give Brian Kenny one.
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Brian Kenny has one or not.
50:28 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I will, yeah, I mean, yes, yeah, I don't know.
50:31 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: People like this should be voting over some of these writers.
50:35 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I fully believe that there are content people in baseball that should be voting over these writers.
50:40 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's just a little bit more diversity of mine, too.
50:43 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one, one industry within the business that gets to vote.
50:47 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bunch of like, yes, it's been around the longest, but that doesn't mean it should always be this way.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's a bunch of boomers.
50:54 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any of you listening to this podcast right now?
50:58 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying TJ and I deserve a ballot.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not by any means saying that.
51:02 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm serious.
51:04 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Or any of you listening right now thinking to yourself, that guy who just voted for the Hall of Fame does a better job voting than TJ and I would do.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Or any of you listening would do?
51:16 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you honestly believe that?
51:17 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody voting for Rick fucking Porcelo over Felix.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:25 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone would think that everyone we would all do a better job.
51:30 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, now would they actually execute a better job?
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean people always disappoint you, but
51:37 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, look, there's never going to be a consensus agreement on this stuff.
51:41 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: There's always debate, but there wouldn't be shit like this.
51:46 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, yes, there would.
51:48 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to give ballots to like a large swath of people, no matter what the industry is, there will always be idiots.
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They're well, but there's unavoidable.
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There's too many times where it
52:02 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: seems like these writers are not even watching the game.
52:05 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do some of these writers even cover the sport on the daily?
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I is.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I don't think so.
52:11 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And that might be the biggest thing where you get, you need to actually cover games to get and to get a vote.
52:22 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll use Corabus as an example, just because he's a friend of the pod and he's very prominent in baseball media.
52:27 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Is everybody gonna agree with him if he votes for Dustin Padroya for the Hall of Fame, which I assume he would, probably not, but there's more of a case for that than somebody voting for Rick Porcelo.
52:40 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got us, I'm serious, you've got to start revoking Hall of Fame ballots.
52:44 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's two important guys work too hard for this to see shit like this unfold.
52:49 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If anyone knows how that will kind of process that would be to like revoke ballots, I'd be curious to know, I honestly I can't think of a way that a ballot gets revoked unless it is given up on purpose.
53:02 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't pass and doesn't vote for the Hall of Fame anymore.
53:04 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think, right?
53:05 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think you got tired of it.
53:07 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
53:08 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: For this exact reason.
53:11 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:12 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:12 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be difficult to weed out all the idiots and the people who don't take the ballots seriously, no matter what you go through, but you're right.
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: There does need a better way.
53:20 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There needs to be a better way for people to be accountable and not vote for not vote for people that just don't deserve it.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
53:33 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, all in all, while we needed to go on a little bit of a tangent about that, very good thing.
53:40 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw Felix take the jump that he did in year two and it
53:44 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It projects some pretty, pretty bright horizons for him moving forward on this ballot.
53:48 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty exciting for everybody like us that grew up in the age of watching Felix and his prime and when you had nothing as a Mariners fan, legitimately nothing, no hope, no excitement, nothing throughout a lot of these years, but you had Felix, it would be pretty cool to see that rewarded saying the thing that kept me a Mariners fan through my childhood is going to get rewarded.
54:12 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be pretty rewarding.
54:14 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get that and one Kyle Seager vote next year because he has 20 more war than Rick Porcelo.
54:23 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down.
54:25 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Rick Porcelo can get a vote.
54:26 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So can Kyle Seager.
54:29 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
54:29 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we might need Kyle Seager to team up with Park this year.
54:31 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to give a Randy Johnson type speech.
54:33 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he did when he was interviewed on some of those broadcasts.
54:36 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we get him on the mic?
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Are Mike to do that?
54:40 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: call what's it like to be back here in Seattle?
54:43 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't so sure I was going to come back when I got the email from John saying, you know, they said they were never going to resign me, right?
54:52 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the by the way for legal purposes, totally making that up.
54:55 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a real thing that happened, but.
54:59 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That was your fun.
55:00 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You're making an ode to Randy Johnson's interviews on some of the broadcasts past your memories.
55:04 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Howard Lincoln never offered me a contract just on why in these would be great to have Kyle back.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think he should come back, will he?
55:14 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say probably not.
55:16 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna take a long time.
55:18 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think.
55:19 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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55:47 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Felix's Hall of Fame chances the rest of the way?
55:51 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Were you interested by those numbers we compared them with to C.C.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Sebastian some of the other pitchers?
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