Lyle and TJ react to the news of Eugenio Suarez signing with the Reds, and some of the reasons why he chose Cincinnati over Seattle (2:30). They then talk about why it is more likely than ever now that the Mariners will trade for Brendan Donovan (14:00). They close out the show reacting to Logan Evans missing the 2026 season with Tommy John, and how impactful that is to the Mariners pitching depth (24:37).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number 358 of the Marine Layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We finally have some news to react to Ayohenio Sours, signs with the Cincinnati Reds.
00:08 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_02]: There were some other Domino's falling in free agency as well that will impact the Mariners and the Mariners lose Logan Evans to Tommy John Surgery for the 2026 season.
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01:13 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening February first loud and I've just finished in exhausting but very fun.
01:26 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Two days of Mariners fan fest at the ballpark will have a ton of content for you throughout the week of our takeaways from there.
01:33 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk a lot about that on Wednesdays episode.
01:36 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're tuning in here on Monday and wanting our thoughts on what we saw at fan fest
01:42 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll be Wednesday's episode, but finally, while we have some actual news to talk about.
01:48 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_02]: There has been some movement among people we've been talking about for the Mariners offseason and how it directly affects them.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, baseball gods.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you!
01:59 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is about time.
02:01 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say on a normal week with the way January was going, I think our fan fest recap would have been this episode, but there's honestly just too much else to talk about, where we're gonna do that on Wednesday.
02:12 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, let's dive into everything we saw this weekend.
02:15 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Starting off with, I know it'll be a tough pill to swallow for some.
02:19 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's a guy that holds a lot of nostalgia for every good reason, but are you any Oswarra?
02:23 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: As speaking of nostalgia is going back to the team that he really made his name with the Cincinnati Reds.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: not surprising from our perspective.
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of fans out there that really wanted Gino.
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say a common theme of what we heard walk around the ballpark, talk and fans.
02:42 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: People would ask us, so as Gino coming back and
02:46 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, in our opinion, it didn't feel like at that moment before he signed, no, for a number of reasons.
02:52 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And once you see his contract with the Cincinnati Reds, which is one year for $15 million, with a mutual option for the 2027 season, you say, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
03:04 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Why the mayor doesn't sign A-O-Henioshores at third base?
03:08 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: that would be adding 15 more million dollars of an aging right handed bat that would play third base, although apparently for the reds he's going to de-h a bunch, which good for him, I mean, I kind of speculated earlier in the week or last week that maybe Juno's only willing to play third base, I was clearly wrong on that, but again, that's total speculation.
03:29 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have any insight info at all on that, so he's willing to play de-h.
03:34 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But it seems like the Mariners don't want to spend $15 million on an aging strikeout prone streaky DH to put it in its simplest terms.
03:45 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Because trading for name redacted, which we'll get into in this episode, is gonna cost roughly that.
03:52 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Not to mention, if you spend $15 million on Gino, I could dip into your trade deadline fund, it can do a lot of things that just may not equal the bang for your buck that you get for 20, 20, sticks at you, honey, as far as.
04:05 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to spend 15 million dollars, is that how a dude want you'd want to spend it?
04:10 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Gino would be the money you'd want to spend it on?
04:13 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I thought Holland or laid it out, because ironically, a funny moment from this weekend that when the Gino news broke,
04:21 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Justin Hollander was in the middle of his media session in the Mariners dug out with the media members, and then he walked upstairs on top of the dugout for one of those dugout conversations into to Q&A with the fans.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So, great timing.
04:32 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that would have made that better and more on brand is if that was Jerry DePoto instead of Justin Hollander.
04:38 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But instead, that was Justin Hollander answering those questions, but he had a pretty telling quote when he was talking to the media that Daniel Kramer tweeted out.
04:47 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, quote, what we don't want to do this offseason is sign somebody who's older than what we're projecting than what we're projecting in our lineup, but not better older but not better.
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to put exact words in Justin Hollander's mouth.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: because that's not fair.
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But let me try to translate what I assume he's saying here.
05:11 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say this is some direct quote, but I'm going to translate what I assume he's saying here.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We believe Colt Emerson is going to be better than Gino in 2020, 6.
05:18 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what he's saying.
05:22 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_02]: or if you want to stretch it out longer, let's say Gino only wanted to come back to Seattle if he was going to get a multi-year deal, especially if the Mariners were willing to pay him $15 million.
05:31 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: If they said Gino, we'll sign you back in Seattle for $10 million, in which case you'd say, okay, I want two years, and then maybe an option for a third year.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, tough, but let's just lay out that hypothetical scenario, right?
05:43 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think, listener, watch her on YouTube?
05:47 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, would be more valuable and better for the Mariners, over the course of the next two seasons they play.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you any of Swars in his mid-30s?
05:55 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Or cult Emerson at age 21 and 22, years old?
06:00 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to go with the kid who's a top five prospect that has a chance to be a star.
06:05 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole Emerson doesn't even really need to be great offensively to provide a ton of value for the mirrors because what is made him so good, if you remind you, for him is a prospect of wise rated so high, like his baddest greatest, baddest is calling card, but his defense gives him such a high floor.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And his base running was supposed to get better.
06:27 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's always made it an emphasis, telling us, and the interview we did with him last year, he's always working on his speed to get better on the base path.
06:34 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That gives him such a high floor that it would take, unfortunately, a Jared Kelewnik level bust and flop at a majorly level for him not to achieve the value over A, U, H, O, S, or S.
06:50 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Geno and Cincinnati also might just be more valuable than Geno in Seattle because the ball parks are polar polar polar opposite Well, listen to these numbers.
07:03 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I pulled it up by park factor for right-handed hitters Cincinnati's number seven.
07:09 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a 102 park factor Mariners guess where they are Last that would be correct
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's go to home runs.
07:18 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What Gino is most known for?
07:20 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Where does Cincinnati rank for right handed hitters?
07:24 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, with that short porch and left field, you think about Houston, you think about Boston, you think about New York, but I'm gonna say it's in the top 10.
07:33 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say eighth.
07:35 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Second.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
07:37 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners are 21st and then if you look at strikeouts another big part of genos game which came even more into the light this year and with the two full years he spent with the Mariners.
07:48 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners are number one in baseball for right-handed hitters strikeouts at the plate.
07:53 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: P.N.th of great American ballpark is about middle of the pack they're 16th.
07:57 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The park itself such a good fit for A.O.
08:01 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Hennio where he could actually, I mean you
08:07 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the best thing to hedge against that is to give him every advantage possible.
08:10 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And not only is going to play in a division, which doesn't have, isn't chocked full of teams that heavily invest, but he'll also be in a ballpark where it profusely advantages his offense of approach.
08:26 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd say that's a pretty good sales pitch when the reds are trying to go out and sign someone a free agency much better than the Mariners.
08:33 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's even before we get to price.
08:35 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think what makes this tough for people is trying to remove the nostalgia factor of AU-Henio Suarez and just look at the baseball player, which is really hard to do, and it's what makes being a fan so great in a lot of ways, because you get emotionally tied and connected to certain players.
08:52 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But the honest truth about Gino, if you really try and look through an objective lens, which I've no doubt that's what the Mariners front office was doing and attempting to do all
09:05 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: is giving Gino 15 million dollars the best way to put a championship roster on the field this year.
09:11 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And between the lack of defense, the known
09:15 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: streakyness of his game and the fact that he may just go out and put out an 82 WRC plus this year or something like that does factor into all the decisions here because again don't you want to have money at the trade deadline to further upgrade the roster?
09:31 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If you paid Gino 15 million dollars and it doesn't have the year you're hoping for not only are you getting lacked production from third base and dh but it takes reps away from Colt
09:45 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: and it just may not be the best fit for the roster and a case where you shouldn't just spend money to spend money you should spend money to get better there's around this conversation there's plenty of discourse online where it's like okay Jerry said the budget that we end the the payroll number that the Mariners ended the year with last year at the end of the twenty twenty five season is the starting point for the twenty twenty six season great
10:13 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But what matters is putting a good team on the field not just spending the money and people are making the case look like
10:22 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll try to make the argument that Gino would make them better and they'd be spending money to get up to that great.
10:28 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It should not, the focus should not just be on spending money, the focus should be on acquiring the best players for your roster.
10:34 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sure, Gino at this point would be the best player for the roster.
10:38 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It might make the Mariners roster a little repetitive and not totally in a good way, and hear me out on this.
10:45 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: because and this might actually be an oversight on the mariner's part and this could be a fault to them and they could pay for this.
10:51 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Only the season will tell us like if Gino goes and hit 40 homerunds and this other player doesn't.
10:56 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Rob Raff Snyder signs for $6.25 million dollars for the mariner's earlier in the off season.
11:02 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: and his role is going to be a platoon outfielder slash dh to hit right-handed.
11:08 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If you signed Gino to hit us a right-hander, hit against lefties, he'd probably play pretty often, though, to be honest, if you're spending $15 million on him, but you have to dh him a bunch.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_02]: isn't Rob Raff Snyder kind of a moot at this point?
11:25 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why did you spend $6 million on Rob Raff Snyder?
11:29 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: If you sign Gino for three times as much for a same rule, if you want Emerson to play third and bush Gino to D-H.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, this paint, this hurts the Mariners.
11:41 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: If Gino goes out and hits 40 bombs in Cincinnati and Rob Raff Snyder does the H.A.
11:46 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Pollock comparison, we showed when he signed.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously, then they would look terrible.
11:53 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's be clear, when you say he hit 40 homers, you mean hits 40 homers and does something like that like he did with the Diamondbacks, where he's a 125 WRC plus hitter or better.
12:04 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: not if he hits 40 home runs and hits a buck 90 and puts up a WRC plus of 90.
12:11 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm seeing essentially if you replicated what he did this year, like I'll 8, an 8, OPS above 800 strike out rate about 28% walk rate is down like 6% because he's free swinging a little bit, but he's playing a favorable ballpark that really helps his streaky tendencies of hitting home runs.
12:30 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Another reminder for you guys, Wednesday, February 11th, 7 p.m. We're doing a Mariners Trivia night.
12:36 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You can find it over at Queen Anne Beer Hall in Seattle.
12:39 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We cannot wait.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We would love to see all of you guys there because it's going to be a blast.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be obviously loads of Mariners Trivia.
12:45 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be food, drinks, and there's going to be prizes to give away to a whole bunch of different winners, including a grand prize at the very end, which you are not going to want to miss.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So we would love to see every single one of you out for it.
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be an awesome way to kick off the start of another great Mariners season.
13:00 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So Mark your calendars, February 11th, 7 p.m., Mariners trivia night with us over at Queen Ambeur Hall in Seattle.
13:10 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, there's risk associated with every movie make, but I just don't think this is the one to lose sleep over in spite of him being such a fan favorite.
13:19 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this, I think if you're gonna make one more move, it needs to be for name-redacted.
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It just makes so much more sense for what you wanna do.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It will not take TH days from cow when he needs them.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still gonna allow coltemerson to play.
13:33 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna allow colt young to play.
13:35 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna allow outfielders to get days off their feet.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the move.
13:40 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I'm actually shocked to read this.
13:44 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Name redacted is only set to make $5.8 million this year.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a lot.
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did I think it was 11?
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe it is.
13:53 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm reading on Spotrack that he is set to make $5.8 million in 2026.
13:58 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that must have been the arbitration deal that he came out to.
14:04 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
14:04 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
14:06 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: great awesome that fits for the Mariners just what they need but they need the player they don't need the salary they need name redacted himself to be traded to the Mariners but it honestly uh to move on here and move to our next subject it is starting to feel like as we said earlier name redacted or bust
14:29 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though we said it a bunch of weeks ago, given all these dominoes that are falling all this week and with Gino off the board, and now Louisa rise signing with the San Francisco Giants, specifically to play second base for the Giants.
14:45 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This Louisarized discourse, and this reporting out of the steel, it's fascinating, because Louisarized was on the free agent market, so he gets $12 million with this deal with the giants.
14:57 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But he says, he was prioritizing places that wouldn't let him play second base as opposed to de-aging him, and that he turned down multi-year deals with teams.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: so he could go to the giants and play second base.
15:12 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's very interesting in of itself and Lyle's about to say Luis Reyes can't play second base.
15:17 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
15:18 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm about to say in response to Luis Reyes's thought process through this, to quote the great Steven A Smith, just smile politely all, we're witnessing mental illness.
15:29 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Playing second base might be the worst part of his game.
15:33 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis Horizon, and that's the part he insisted the most, but there's giants gave him the money, and won an emblem of a second base.
15:39 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's on Buster Posey in company for giving him that contract.
15:43 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So, their choice, dude, if the Mariners had signed Luis Horizon to that deal and paid him $12 million a year, you would have seen me go carry Carpenter 2.0.
15:55 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could not want to play her on my team less than Luis O'Rise.
16:00 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe I don't want Abe Toro back on the team, like TJ, but coming around.
16:06 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just an easy example to use.
16:09 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But, like, for instance, and you said specifically, one year, $12 million to play second-based full-time.
16:17 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, but I just don't really have much interest in him playing on the team and taking it bats in general.
16:23 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Of name brand players that exist in Major League Baseball, there's a very short list of guys I'd rather have less than the Wiesurized.
16:29 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think he's actually a good baseball player, and there is empirical data, especially over the last couple years to back this up.
16:37 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But people just like the fact that, oh, he used to hit for a high average, so he's good.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, why does this news impact the Mariners so much?
16:46 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If you might remember, the report during the winter meetings about name redacted was that there were two favorites to trade for name redacted among all the teams that inciters had talked to in the off season.
17:00 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one was the Mariners.
17:02 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Number two was the San Francisco Giants, all of a sudden,
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: the giants don't need a second baseman.
17:09 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So why would they give up a bunch of prospects for name redacted to play second base or even third base?
17:17 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But guess what?
17:17 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a third basement who's really good.
17:19 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't need him there either, which to me feels like this takes the giants out of name redacted conversations.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have to.
17:33 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so, where were they playing them?
17:35 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got Matt Chapman at third, you've got William Thomas at second, and you've got, now, or sorry, Louise arrives at second, and you've got William Thomas at short.
17:45 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then after this signing today or yesterday, we have a tweet from Buster Only at seven o'clock tonight.
17:53 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_02]: freshening up who's still available this off season says perhaps the most interesting position player available in the market the cardinals thought you're going to get me here name redacted some rival execs fully expect to be moved within the next couple of weeks Mariners have been have had interest
18:12 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd fit the red socks, too, although Boston seems intent on leading with Marcel Amir in a big way this year, while going with a David Hamilton, Romi Gonzalez, puttune at second base.
18:22 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_02]: What does that tweet say?
18:25 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It says one team that actually is interested, one, or one that's realistically interested.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: correct.
18:33 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And for anybody new that might be listening, we essentially said we are not going to say the name of a certain cardinals in field or any more of this offseason until he is actually acquired by the Seattle Mariners.
18:43 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we've fielded too many questions over too many weeks where we had nothing left to say about the guy.
18:48 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we just call a name redacted until the Mariners trade for him.
18:51 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: In case anybody's new to the podcast.
18:53 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway,
18:54 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: When talking about this player, yes, because like of course the mariners of the fit at this point because I don't know who else would really be in the mix unless somebody sneaks in late that you're not expecting.
19:04 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And what are the cardinals going to do?
19:06 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep them?
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They've made it pretty clear.
19:08 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not really intending to win in 2026.
19:10 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So keeping this guy on their roster.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't do much of anything for them.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to win with them and they're not going to win without them.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So why wouldn't you take prospects back for them?
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The Cardinals don't have leverage in this situation.
19:24 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
19:25 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_02]: They're clearest suitors.
19:26 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of their clearest suitors for Brendan Donovan seemingly have
19:30 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice job, dude.
19:32 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and there is a dollar to the jar.
19:35 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: In case you were a new podcast listener, I will also inform you that with this whole name redacted thing, we said every time you say his name on the podcast, you put a dollar in the jar.
19:44 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think TJ's up to five whole dollars.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You messed this up every time and I have not got it.
19:52 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it.
19:54 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't I can't wait till he gets traded either here or somewhere else so we're done so we're done so I don't have to worry about it anymore Anyways, I don't even remember what was I saying oh Cardinals, I don't think have any leverage in this situation because the big the the clearest suitors for him Seems to be bowing out except for the mariners the giants.
20:16 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're bowed out Who are the mariners negotiating against from a serious level?
20:23 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So who?
20:25 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe the Red Sox, maybe the Royals.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not that many.
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see his fit on the Red Sox as much either.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see how he gives them as much value.
20:36 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see it.
20:37 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So that leaves the Mariners.
20:39 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Or if the Cardinals are trying to extract, higher and higher level prospects from the Mariners, I don't see how they can keep doing that.
20:46 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the factor of Jerry DePoto doing some media this week.
20:52 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: and he all but essentially said the Mariners are very clearly in on name redacted very very clearly like almost put it in print first let's talk about what he said on KGR on Friday they stopped softy straight up asked him Jerry what's left for the soft season what are you guys looking at Jerry says oh we can use a bat preferably athletic plays multiple positions
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Who does that?
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Who does that beat?
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, I have no idea.
21:25 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't, and then why don't I do this?
21:28 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Because in addition to what he said then, he also at Fan Fest this weekend was on Seattle Sports doing one of the hotstove shows, and he said the following.
21:38 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just put my phone up to the mic so people can hear this little 10 second clip that he says in terms of what the Mariners are still looking for here.
21:45 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me do that.
21:47 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's, there's one more move that we feel like is in us and if we want to make and we've been grinding hard for the last, you know, handful of days to see if we can bring it through and hopefully we do.
21:59 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who could that possibly be, guys?
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's out there that's left?
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's available?
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Who of the Mariners?
22:06 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are the Mariners looking for?
22:07 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not doing a good job hiding this and I'm not saying they should.
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's pretty obvious.
22:15 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They're still in on this and they still want them.
22:17 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, this might blow back on them, but I mean, they're laying their crout cards out pretty clearly on what the target is.
22:26 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we talk about them all the time.
22:29 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the number one subject since, since Nailor signed to be honest.
22:35 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe actually I'll say since the New Year, because there's a lot of Katelmark's they talked to.
22:39 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, since he went off the board, since Polo signed with the Mets, and since we got the inkling and heard from some people a couple weeks ago, that the Nico Horner thing just wasn't going to happen, since then, especially he's been the number one name.
22:54 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, definitely since the New Year.
22:57 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know what else we can say at this point.
22:59 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It is all been laid out in front of the Mariners to go trade for Brent.
23:05 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost said it.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost said it.
23:07 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not go through with that.
23:08 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's 50 cents.
23:10 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: $5.50 cents.
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The fit and like the fit is there.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The prospects they have.
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they want to trade for them.
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the prospects to trade for them.
23:21 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_02]: If they don't get a done, people are going to be very disappointed, and it will be another instance of the Mariners, perhaps getting too far ahead of themselves in portraying their moves.
23:31 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_02]: What's they've done before?
23:33 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I am not comparing these two players in any sense.
23:37 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do always have a little PTSD from the first time the Mariners went after show Hayo Tani.
23:44 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were pretty damn confident they were gonna get them.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: At least Jerry was.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he signed with the angels.
23:53 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Not great.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that wasn't great.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get this one done, please.
23:59 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because look, all the discourse can end.
24:02 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners make this trade,
24:04 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be done talking about off-season stuff if the Mariners make this trade.
24:08 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We will be full systems go into spring training, into the season, getting everybody ready for 2026.
24:13 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: With a team that will be really, really exciting for a variety of reasons.
24:18 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But we just can't let this off-season flame die because there is one candle still lit.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That will not go out.
24:27 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it has not gone out.
24:29 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are still sitting here waiting for something to go down.
24:33 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There is one thing that could complicate a potential name-redacted trade and unfortunately, it directly crosses over with something that absolutely broke our heart over this past week.
24:49 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Our guy Logan Evans announced that he will have Tommy John Surgery and miss the entire 2026 season.
24:57 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: In a snapshot, this greatly impacts the Mariners pitching gap for the subcoming season and potentially assets of what they could use to trade for name redacted.
25:11 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
25:11 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to get into the baseball part of this here first?
25:14 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I am, I mean, I can save the personal stuff for after so we can tie these conversations in.
25:19 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, yes, let's do baseball first.
25:21 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:22 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm so bummed for a little bit.
25:24 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge bummer.
25:25 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:26 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:26 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, to keep it on topic with the conversation about a certain cardinals in fielder, you are right that we have seen in terms of,
25:35 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea if this was what the Mariners themselves are really floating out there or not, but what's been publicly talked about there, talked about out there, and Brendan, oh, and there's 50 cents.
25:46 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not alone.
25:47 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not alone.
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been so good about it, too.
25:50 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't say his name, but wow, that's a 50 cents, because I started to say his name.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
25:56 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: In a name-redacted trade package, the names that have been talked about out there for the Mariners in terms of players who they could end up trading back to St. Louis in return.
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen last montage a little bit.
26:07 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: and you've seen Gerangelo, Sanger, depending on what the Cardinals are gonna want.
26:11 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what TJ's getting at here is by Logan Evans now set to miss the year.
26:16 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think Gerangelo may be the next man up by June to make a start if somebody in the Mariners rotation goes down.
26:24 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the case, can you afford to trade them to St. Louis?
26:29 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you trade him and Logan Evans isn't gonna pitch this year,
26:33 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: then who's next up if the mariners have a starter set to miss time.
26:37 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, Dean Dunning's made plenty of big league starts.
26:39 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You could put him in there, but it probably doesn't give you the same upside.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Not the same upside.
26:45 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what the mariners would feel the most comfortable with.
26:50 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The obvious answer is that Emerson Hancock would slide back into the rotation.
26:54 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking to him fan fest.
26:57 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, again, we'll save the bigger picture for Wednesday's episode, but he said he's going
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: and turn cam.
27:04 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's planning on pitching full-length games or full-length starts.
27:09 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Which makes he's in?
27:10 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Which makes sense because it's just so much easier to go from starter to reliever in terms of a workload than reliever to starter where you've to build all the way back up.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes total sense that that's what he's doing.
27:23 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_02]: If Emerson is going to go back to starting,
27:27 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the five in the rotation, you have Emerson as the first backup, I would assume.
27:33 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you would have either Dane Dunning or Jorangelo as the second backup.
27:38 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So you could suffer one, and you would be fine.
27:41 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd slide Emerson Hancock into the Mariners starting rotation, as you have done the last couple of seasons, and you'd roll with those five, with Jorangelo potentially being next up if he's ready.
27:52 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_02]: If not, it would be Dane Dunning.
27:55 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're a trait, I mean, when you throw Cooper Creswell into that, too, you could see how those guys work out on their minor league deals, or if they're in the organization by midseason when they might need them, or they might just be opt to be free agents, totally possible.
28:10 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_02]: If you trade Jerangelow,
28:13 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: then you are leaving yourself up to yes you have a couple of veterans but a couple of guys who are not your system guys and you wonder since they were available and they signed minor league deals how effective are they going to be and would you rather have the upside of derangelo sanger are you willing to sacrifice starting pitching depth and head essentially the health of your starting rotation throughout the season to acquire a name redacted
28:41 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a tough pill to swallow and it's a tough act to balance in terms of what the right thing to do here is.
28:47 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I would just hope in the end the Cardinals would be willing to accept the package that's not gerangelo to get neighbor-dacted to Seattle, but we don't know what they're looking for, because it's not out there publicly.
28:59 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and where did I get?
29:02 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I add this to Kate Anderson?
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't think he's an option.
29:06 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Kate Anderson's going to spend the entire year of the minor lakes.
29:10 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: and building a possible i mean i know everybody's talked about that he could move really fast and you know what guys maybe there's a situation where he is in the bullpen in the playoffs in twenty six that's possible but i don't think k-danderson's gonna be up in starting in july let's say the whole idea of well he'd be up in a calendar year after the draft i don't think that's gonna happen this is a guy who's only thrown one full year essentially since his junior
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: the college world series since he dominated in the in the finals.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:44 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not I'd well he's in a throwing program now, but he did not pick up a baseball and throw from the end of that until I think January.
29:54 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds about right.
29:56 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to need to be stretched out.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So think about it like this, you guys.
30:02 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about how vital Bryce Miller and Brian Wu, word of the Mariners in 2023.
30:08 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that team ended up missing the playoffs, but if Bryce Miller and Brian Wu hadn't won been in the system in ready and two pitch the way they pitch that year as rookies.
30:20 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Mariners might have been out of it a long time before the end of September, because they needed those guys.
30:25 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Robby Ray got hurt so fast in 23.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They needed Bryce Miller right away.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They needed Brian Wu by early June.
30:32 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's four months from Wu, and almost a full season from Bryce Miller back in 23.
30:36 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have Gerangelo, who offers that similar idea, and that's similar upside as a pitching prospect, in terms of somebody that could step into your rotation, if somebody were to get injured this year,
30:48 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: big difference because you know when when Jorangelo is at his best, he could be a really effective right hand at starting pitcher, whereas if you trade him and you're relying on swing veteran Quaday starters, who have struggled in the big leagues the last couple years to fill those innings, makes things a lot dice here.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: and Ryan Sloan also not an option.
31:13 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I would be shocked if Ryan Sloan is any reclosed to the big leagues by the middle of the season.
31:20 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I will put him in the same bucket as K. Maybe you guys, maybe you'd see him out of a bullpen in 2026 in the postseason if they were to get there.
31:30 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would, and that's best case scenario.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would not be banking on him to make big league starts.
31:36 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to see a high-end prospect make major league starts this year, it's going to be Gerangelo, Sanjay.
31:42 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want him to do that and want to have that security blanket with somebody that you know as a chance to be a really good big leagueer, step in for a potential injury, well, if you train them for, if you train them to St. Louis, you're not going to have that.
31:58 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be honest, I was going to ask you this question, but I'm going to answer it first.
32:03 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is terrible podcasting because I need to have opinions, I need to have a takes, I need to give people a side of an argument.
32:11 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Once this injury happened from a baseball perspective, I cannot give you a clear answer on my end, whether or not I would trade, derangelo for name or act.
32:22 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: If that was the cost,
32:24 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I look at last year and realize how crucial quality backup starting pitching is and if the Mariners were to get rid of that by trading one and suffer the consequences after the fact
32:46 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Potentially miss potentially end up costing themselves a chance at missing the playoffs because they traded for name or acted and their rotation is well-turing I'm I'm I'm stuck.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I do.
33:00 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe in a future podcast episode.
33:02 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you right now, man Can't give you an answer.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That's tough.
33:06 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: This is really tough
33:08 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners are going to need Jerangel Osangia in 2026, which is why it makes it incredibly difficult.
33:16 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're the Mariners and you're working through that trade package right now, like Jerry mentioned, I certainly wouldn't be shocked that they're up in the front office saying, whatever you guys want.
33:28 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: we're like we're trying to stay away from trading sanger because they know how much they're going to need him.
33:33 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know the 2023 or I should say 2024 was such an outlier in terms of guys making every start that that just doesn't happen.
33:42 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want somebody really potentially impactful to step in in an absence, you're not going to have that if you trade them.
33:52 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I think Brendan Donovan would
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: 650 you're up to.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you can't even help bad.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so bad.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to stop.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We really we really need to just stop talking about them.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean real.
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean really can they just pray.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just doing it giving me nothing but hurt.
34:10 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they should probably just trade for him already.
34:12 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that.
34:14 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: If you were to ask me who's going to contribute more wins to the 2026 Mariners roster name redactin.
34:22 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: or Dirangel of Sanger, I would say, name redacted, but that does not mean I would blank it, be okay with trading Dirangel of four, name redacted.
34:34 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in that same boat.
34:36 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're the Mariners, I would be trying to trade one of those position player prospects for,
34:42 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: to St. Louis, I should say.
34:44 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I have been trying to trade one of the position players to St. Louis.
34:47 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can stay away from trading Jorangelow, think that's gonna do a lot for your roster this year.
34:51 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you just need quality starting debt.
34:55 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about it more on Wednesday, but like Jorangel is not going to the WBC.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, look,
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know I have a chance to be in the big leagues this year.
35:05 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's important.
35:06 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do something in the WBC.
35:08 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he didn't say exactly this, but I'm assuming what he meant by that was I don't want to go to the WBC ramp up too early and get injured and it affects me and the team in 26.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Another big note will expand on a little bit more on Wednesday.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to throw left handed.
35:25 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Not not games.
35:28 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't that signal that he is on a decently fast track to the big leagues?
35:33 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it does because he's got one big league arm right now.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's his right.
35:37 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:40 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Couple minutes on this before we wrap it up because that was the whole baseball trade aspect of the Logan Evans injury.
35:46 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, people know he's he's our guy on the channel and there's a lot of guys we've gotten to know really well and have been awesome, but I mean, he's our favorite and to see him go down.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sucks.
35:57 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it sucks for him, but sitting here just as piecass was that it sucks for us.
36:02 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to see him.
36:03 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to see him out there.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to see the big step yet.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The potential to take this year.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty big joy to get to talk to him.
36:09 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Most days at the ballpark and not getting that is going to to stink a lot.
36:14 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There are, as we've talked a lot, a lot of really good players, really good personalities, really good guys on this team.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: to just talk to and hang out, chat about baseball, chat about life.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great group of guys, really, it's up and down.
36:29 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You saw it here at FanFest this past weekend if you were there, you'd understand.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But Logan embodied all that, really.
36:35 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he, from the moment he became a prospect, treated us very well.
36:41 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And it is so cool to see his story, be what it is, from a late draft pick, a guy who struggled in college to what he is now, the,
36:53 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The example, the like the pinnacle example of what major league player development can do for players.
37:01 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He is and it worked out so incredibly well for him and he's getting already to situate up here in the northwest and then like this happens.
37:08 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It stinks and we know his family huge fans of this podcast as well.
37:14 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like going through a tough time with this and it stinks.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_02]: but we know he's fired up to get back.
37:20 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He is fired up for his opportunity to get back and and crush this thing and be back better than ever.
37:27 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did message with him a little bit because obviously we were feeling for him when he saw he had to miss the year with the injury and I would say the just the biggest things we got to take away from the few messages we shot back and forth with them were like you said.
37:40 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's incredibly fired up already to get back and
37:45 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to come out in 27 with the vengeance.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think those two things, we took away pretty evidently and clearly.
37:52 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say this here, you guys, here on February 1st of 2026, when we won't see him take a big league mound for roughly another 15 months or so.
38:02 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got a lot more in the tank than what he displayed in his rookie year.
38:08 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously his rookie year was filled with plenty of really good outings and a lot
38:15 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got a lot more in the tank than what he showed in 20 seconds.
38:19 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, keep in mind, this dude, like when we had him on the podcast, the first time, he told us that maybe people didn't really know this when he was coming out of college and it was true at certain points when he was coming through the minors, I mean, he can run it up to 99 miles an hour and he throws five or six different pitches.
38:39 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He throws six different pitches.
38:43 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: don't be shocked to see him come out comes coming out guns blazing in 27.
38:47 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That is my prediction here stamping it on February 1st of 2026 is he has a lot more he has a lot more left in the tank that he hasn't gotten to show you it.
38:56 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to support him through the entire way.
38:58 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The Marine Lair podcast has Logan Evans's back.
39:01 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a hundred percent and we know he's going to crush crush this rehab and get back better than ever.
39:07 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say the one other
39:14 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: telling here on the show is he said, look, like, I've essentially overcome a lot of the expectations that people have set for me for a long time.
39:24 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, he said, like, look, I was a 12th rounder at a college and I'm sure people when I got drafted didn't think I was going to be much of anything and this is kind of who I've been for most of my life is is a little bit undervalued.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, this isn't any different now.
39:39 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to go through some adversity, but I'll attack it.
39:43 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're we're going to be here to support him when he comes back.
39:47 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be rehabbing an Arizona for the year and getting back up to full strength and hopefully be ready for his opportunity in 2027 if they play games.
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That part.
40:00 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:01 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he'll get some extra rehab time to ramp back up.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's up to Mr. Manfrott, isn't it?
40:08 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
40:11 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, we do have a packed week of shows here now you guys because now there is a lot of things to talk about I could not be happier for the page to turn from January to February because this is when we actually start to have things to talk about we're going to have spring training we're going to have fan fest to recap we are going to have a potential name redacted trade please can that happen soon that would be awesome.
40:33 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The Friday Mailbag is normal.
40:35 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to the Super Bowl, so just remember for a taping schedule.
40:39 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: All of our episodes through a week from now will be taped from we're sitting here on Sunday February 1st through Wednesday the 4th.
40:48 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: all of them will be recorded in that.
40:51 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you realize, yeah, maybe it's not totally timely, we sound like we're talking from a few days ago.
40:58 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We know.
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:59 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But the one that'll get back, we'll be back on schedule.
41:02 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But to be fair, our topics over the next few episodes are going to be pretty evergreen.
41:06 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that wasn't is if a certain trade goes down and if that happens, TJ and I will cross that bridge when we get to it in terms of figuring out how to do that podcast.
41:15 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: otherwise topics are going to be I think very engaging and interesting and otherwise pretty evergreen so in reminder there's a trivia night on February 11th at 7pm but you already knew that because you had it on your calendar like we insisted.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we should have done that at the start of the show.
41:31 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
41:31 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, trivia Wednesday, February 11, 7 p.m. Queen Ambeur Hall.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We are hosting a Mariners trivia night.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We love to have you guys come out.
41:40 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be prizes to give away, including one big grand prize.
41:44 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So put it on your calendars.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on out.
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be a blast.
41:49 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that just about does it for this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to see you wearing the merch.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We love seeing people wear the merch.
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw people wear merch out of fanfests as weekend.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
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42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle.
42:34 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in.
42:35 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to you soon.
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