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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and episode number 359 of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It is finally happened.
00:05 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Name redacted is dead.
00:07 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Brendan Donovan is a Seattle mariner.
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00:52 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network.
00:57 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Recording here on Monday afternoon, February 2nd, the name Redacted Jar is smashed and Brendan Donovan is a Seattle mayor.
01:06 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I can finally say it out loud.
01:10 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't you feel weird not having to donate a dollar to the jar?
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You're free!
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm free!
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: 650!
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Gone!
01:17 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll donate it somewhere.
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go!
01:19 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You're finally manifesting on all counts.
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It has finally happened.
01:24 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You're free!
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't gonna happen after this weekend.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: When was it gonna happen?
01:30 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesse Winker, you're hanging us for us, timeline, mid-marge and keep everybody just grasping for straws and just waiting and waiting for the next six weeks.
01:38 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The red carpet gets rolled out and the giants fill up their spot and no one else really seems that interested in the cardinals of Traded Everyone else and the Mariners say they still need a bat that can be versatile and play multiple positions that can hit left handed and that's athletic and that's below the age of 30 years old and you just make us wait
01:58 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: tearing our hair out waiting for this next bat.
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't have to do that.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This roster's ready to go.
02:05 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are fired up and ready to go in 26.
02:08 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a roster that is going to be toward the top of the American League.
02:12 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This was the final piece they needed and now they're ready to roll.
02:16 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I am just so...
02:18 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank well they got this done as I said no reaction on social media.
02:23 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't honestly decide if I am more excited for Brendan Donovan to play for the Mariners or if I'm more excited to finally stop talking about Brendan Donovan rumors Now we can just talk about Brendan Donovan facts and him is a member of this team Could What do you think we should tell Brendan Donovan at spring training should we tell how much trauma he caused us
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: by no fault of his own.
02:47 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
02:48 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It is funny.
02:49 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw any of these messages, but we had a few fans message us over the last couple days.
02:54 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you guys have thought about this for a certain merch drop, which by the way, again, you can go get your merch over to our website, MarineLayerPod.com.
03:02 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, or they said, have you ever thought about dropping some name or acted merch with Brendan Donovan's face on it?
03:09 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, I hadn't, but if people think they're going to buy it for a few weeks,
03:15 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all ears.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually when we get a merch team, we can turn around.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think ideas like this a little quicker.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like John Boyd does that.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll get an idea on the bang.
03:23 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's ready.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We, um, a little bit of a behind this thing's like, we don't have a merch team.
03:28 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
03:29 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, but maybe in the future without me again.
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If somebody wants to send us a design, feel free.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep, feel free.
03:36 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We can we can certainly forward it along and and potentially, you know, potentially have it, but we don't need to name or act anymore, because we have Brendan Donovan, Brendan Donovan's a Seattle mariner, the fit of all fits the person this team, this organization, the front office was talking about.
03:53 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: indirectly all off season of what they need.
03:56 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll dive into the other layers of this trade and how this is going to work out for the Mariners over the course of the season, but he does essentially fit like a glove into this lineup now.
04:06 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only thing about him that you'll have to watch for is he's not great against left-handed pitching.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the only thing.
04:14 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm sure he's still going to play most of every day because I don't think you're really acquiring him.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Tipple a tune.
04:20 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So you just hope the left-handed numbers, at least, are serviceable as the year goes on in his two years here in Seattle go on.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, you are right.
04:28 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had one of the lowest strikeout rates in the Big League last year.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He draws his walks.
04:33 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a doubles gap to gap guy.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And he gets on base, man.
04:37 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He just finds ways to get on base.
04:40 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Our friends at just baseball tweeted this out and posted it.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But since 2022,
04:45 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: of all the guys in terms of where they're on base percentages rank from 2022 to right now, Brendan Donovan is 13th in Major League Baseball.
04:54 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And that ranks just behind some guys like Judges who's toward the top of the list, Freddy Freeman, Shohae, Vladie, and that's your list of guys, and Brendan Donovan's 13th.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy gets on base.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he's going to be your lead off hitter.
05:09 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: At least against, I would imagine he is going to lead off for the sline up against righties.
05:14 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So the righty lineups will be some combination of Donovan, Julio, Cal, Nailer, Randy.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are probably the first five.
05:26 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:27 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: In some in some order, but Donovan's got a career 360 one on base percentage.
05:32 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a higher career on base percentage than anyone currently on the Mariners.
05:36 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Even JP Crawford, who's among all the players on the steam probably the most on base heavy guy is in terms of percentage of his performance.
05:45 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Donovan will now take that crown from him.
05:48 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have a guy at the top of your lineup who's going to get on base a ton and he'll set the table.
05:55 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a way I would describe this Brennan down of an acquisition for the Mariners.
05:58 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: When we're watching these playoff games against the Blue Jays especially, you notice the different styles of offense.
06:06 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners were much more boomer bust, the Blue Jays were much more high volume of
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: in that series.
06:16 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The ALCS embodied that more than Ernie Clement, who I was sick and fucking tired of watching against the smerner's pitching staff.
06:24 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan Donovan brings an Ernie Clement element to this baseball team, which I think is something that people should be very excited about.
06:32 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't promise he's going to have 30 hits in a postseason, but when I can't say is that he makes a ton of contact.
06:38 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He burrows the ball a lot.
06:40 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: His career high in strikeout rate is 15%
06:45 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a different style than the rest of your offense, different than Julio, different than Cal, different than Randy.
06:53 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to allow you to do some things that the rest of your line up, a good portion of your line up cannot do.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's your table center.
07:01 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a career eight, 12 OPS against right handed pitching.
07:04 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year against righties, it was eight, 50.
07:06 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So when a righties on the mound and you know you're going to see a lot more righties than lefties over the course of the year, he's going to be penciled more than likely right into the top of that line up and he should be.
07:16 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy that sets the table for your offense and you want it on base guy.
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: stolen bases aside because he doesn't steal a ton of bases.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your pretty prototypical lead-off hitter, and I mean that in a good way.
07:29 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He really sets the table.
07:31 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Where, again, he's not gonna hit for a ton of power, but he brings value to the plate offensively in ways that go beyond just home runs.
07:40 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: the full trade, we've not mentioned the full trade yet.
07:43 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So here it's a three way trade between the Mariners, the Cardinals, and the race.
07:48 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the full trade package adds more layers to this conversation.
07:54 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is a Brendan Donovan conversation.
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Brendan Donovan is the biggest story of this trade.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not the only story of this trade.
08:02 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And as we can tell, there are going to be some ripples and impacts
08:06 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the Mariners based on how this trade package went around.
08:10 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Mariners get Brennan Donovan, the Cardinals get a haul by the three team trade, by the way.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners Cardinals raise.
08:17 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:17 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners get Brennan Donovan, Cardinals get Jorangelo Sanger, Tai Pete, Colton Ledbetter, who's an outfielder from Mississippi State, second round pick a couple of years ago.
08:28 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That was in the raise organization, a comp B draft pick.
08:32 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: and then the raise get Ben Williamson.
08:36 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And this opens up a lot for Brendan Donovan, because honestly, if Ben Williamson had been on the roster with Donovan, it would have been a much tougher fit.
08:44 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now what happens is, Donovan is probably mostly going to be playing third base to start the year.
08:50 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's call Denverson makes the roster at a camp, which if that's the case, that's a whole different conversation in itself in a good way.
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he doesn't, Williamson will start, or,
08:59 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan will start the year primarily playing third-dase, maybe he'll slide over to second if they want to get cold Emerson some days off against the lefty, or Leo Rivas would just come in and play for him on those days.
09:10 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But then once cold Emerson does get up this year,
09:14 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: then I think you'll see Donovan start to be utilized more like the utility guy that he is where on days where maybe Colton needs a day off you get Donovan back at third when when Colton gets needs a day off you have him at second.
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You could get him in the left field on some days if you want Randy to DA.
09:30 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: She could play right field if you want him to.
09:32 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But even when that happens he will be in the lineup somewhere just about every day.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a question of where.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: However to start the year
09:40 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: having him at third base and having a solidified spot for him, probably is what needed to happen.
09:45 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how Ben Williamson factors into all that to get everybody playing time.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he wouldn't get much playing time.
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:52 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If Donovan was on the roster, because you'd want to give that playing time to the other players on your roster to best utilize it, are we glad to be done with the Ben Williamson discourse at this point?
10:08 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: with absolutely all respect in the world to Ben Williams in the player and all his friends that are fans of them and all his family because there's nothing against him as a player.
10:16 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes I am.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because this has nothing to do with Ben Williams in.
10:21 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to do with the people in our DMs and comments over the last 10 months that it essentially tried to tell us he's Brooks Robinson.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not, unfortunately.
10:33 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If he was, I would be pissed at this trade.
10:38 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like again, you guys, he's a great, he's a really good defender and he may find some real playing time in Tampa now, but I would, I would be pretty shocked if you see Ben Williams in over the next six years while he's in Tampa.
10:53 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Have a season where he's a 105 WRC plus hitter.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be very rich.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:01 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Donovan's a little better than that, but I mean, it been, well, like, even right at a hundred if Ben Williamson has years in the big leagues where he has near a full season of the bats and puts up above a 100 WRC plus yeah, I would be a little bit surprised because that's just not.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: who he was ever expected to be.
11:20 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think the reality of Ben Williams in the player is he's a good defender, he may be able to move around the infield a little bit more as time goes on, but he's a contact header who doesn't walk and doesn't have that much power.
11:32 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't equate to a ton of value.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You can simplify this trade-a-ton, I think.
11:36 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They're prospects involved for this that hurts the Mariners farm system.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about them here in a second.
11:41 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You can, from the major league level, though, allow simplify this trade to, the Mariners just swapped Ben Williamson for Brendan Donovan on their roster.
11:50 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's a lot better.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the defense might not be as good.
11:54 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally right.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have us there.
11:56 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense at their base, most likely will not be as good as when Ben Williamson was there.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
12:02 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The ability of Donovan to have a higher floor and ceiling offensively, and be able to play multiple positions makes the Mariners a lot better.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Does this give them issues against lefties?
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are they a little bit too left-hand heavy?
12:17 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally think so, because all your infielders now, all five of them are all the primary ones that you expect by July,
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would counter that with two things.
12:34 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, this is what now makes Signing Rob refsite or so important, because he can counterbalance some of that.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, Colt Emerson didn't have splits issues last year.
12:42 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He crushed lefties.
12:43 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know what he'll do in the big leagues, but when Cole Young was coming through the minors.
12:49 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the overall production did show that he was much better against right-handed arms than left-handed arms.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And you saw a lot of that in the Big League at least in year one.
12:57 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: With Cole Demerson, man, things could change once he becomes a Big Leagueer, but he did not struggle on either side of the plate last year, in terms against left-eas vs. Ratties.
13:08 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If there are any year he was going to struggle against lefties, I would say this year would be most likely.
13:13 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's going to just, he's going to need to see big league lefties.
13:16 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And big league lefties are the rarest of the all pitchers, because only what?
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: 30% of pitchers are lefties, right?
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's rare.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're usually really good and they'll usually throw really hard.
13:32 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll are a lot better than the guys in the minor league.
13:35 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's literally it, otherwise you now have the versatility to fully maximize your infield and give all of your young guys a bunch of playing time, something that you couldn't do with Gino, and something that if you kept Ben and didn't trade for Donovan, you'd almost be relying on them too much.
13:51 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: because you don't want to throw the weight of a 2026 season on the shoulders of 21 and 22 year olds.
13:58 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to let your best players go out there and carry the load.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what Donovan will allow them to do.
14:05 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Now what you have is six solidified guys in your lineup in terms of Randy, Julio, Cal, Naylor,
14:14 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan and JP Crawford, and the other three spots will be left open for guys to win some jobs.
14:20 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, right field will see who wins a job between the four guys they have and who gets the most playing time.
14:25 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll probably see a decent amount of platooning out there, and then otherwise it's left open for Cole Young and Cole Dermerson.
14:32 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more than okay with that.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I would give it much more something like a B+.
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a very good offseason.
14:42 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I would say would have opted to an A-minus is that they had gone out and gotten that last true solidified bullpen arm.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing.
14:51 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now they may just go get that guy at the trade deadline if they assess that they need it.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's okay.
14:55 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying in terms of what you grade their offseason right now, that's the only thing I'd say that's holding it back from an A-minus to A-level grade.
15:04 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, B plus offseason, and if you were somebody that would say I would give them an A minus what the Donovan trade totally fair, I would say go for it by getting nailer back by trading for Brendan Donovan by signing Rob Raff Snyder and getting Jose Ferrer who's unproven with the Mariners really like.
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very good option.
15:21 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good option, they had an a long time.
15:25 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And according to the sports books, the Mariners were sitting at a projection of 89 and a half wins before this trade.
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Second best mark in the American League.
15:34 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They were, I think, two wins behind the Yankees.
15:37 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees were at 91 and a half.
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just puts the Mariners on par with the other best teams in the American lake.
15:44 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The three teams I think of when I think of the best teams in the AL right now, now that Brendan Donovan is a Mariner, Yankees, Blue Jays, Mariners.
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think there's a step down and then there's everybody else.
15:57 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think with good health, the Mariners have a good as good of a case as any of a team that not only got better, but has arguably the best roster in the American lake.
16:06 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: and how great are the Yankees really don't these guys just show their flaws every year they do they have the benefit of having the best player on planet earth though or second best player on planet earth best hitter sure and you're going to get get call back mid season so that's a big thing i mean in them re-signing balinger is big like he was very good for them last year a big part of a big part of their roster but
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a bit more old.
16:33 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not really as versatile as the Mariners are.
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They aren't going to rely on youth as much as the Mariners.
16:39 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And perhaps that will show the Yankees of kind of handled the Mariners in the regular season past couple of years.
16:46 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But when push came to shove last year, Mariners took the blue jays to seven games and the Yankees rolled over and died.
16:52 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:52 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's something to be said for how the Mariners roster was constructed last year and how it worked compared to some of the other American League teams.
17:01 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: we'll don't forget ultimate ball no or Craig carton said that the blue jays cheated and that's why they'd be the Yankees.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it wasn't the.
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
17:10 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Craig.
17:12 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And then what I'll take on him is job back.
17:16 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot.
17:17 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe it did.
17:18 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That are calling or calling Bryce Miller a journeyman veteran.
17:21 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, he's played three years with one team and he's in his mid 20s, but sure.
17:25 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:25 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Craig.
17:27 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel really good at how the Mariners stack up healthy as a table in the American lately.
17:33 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We can complain they didn't get pregnant, they didn't get Tucker, they didn't get anyone else that was out there.
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Any of them major, they didn't get more tape.
17:40 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But still you look at this roster and you say, okay, can the pitching staff be maybe an arm or two arms healthier than it was last year?
17:49 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We're instead of having four of your five starters get hurt at some point.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe only two of them get hurt.
17:54 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: and you get three of your starters for the entire season, then how many more games do you win?
18:01 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The team last year did that in one 90 games.
18:04 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're playing in a division that projects to be about the same as it was last year in American League where the central again is very underwhelming and the east is is good is good but there's no team that's definitively
18:24 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: As a half of the Marine Lair podcast, Monday, February 20th, and I really like the Mariners outlook on how they stack up against everyone except for the Dodgers.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's 100% right.
18:37 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We were actually really quick, today's February 2nd.
18:41 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not February 20th.
18:43 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did I say 20th?
18:44 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
18:44 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, same applies on February 20th.
18:47 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, would you like to sit here and say congratulations to the Super Bowl championship Seattle Sea Hawks here that it's February 20th?
18:53 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see, I know if I'm going to get clipped.
18:57 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you I'm confident, but maybe I'm not ready to do the full jinx.
19:02 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I kind of want to do it.
19:05 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of want to do it.
19:06 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, kind of, we still have two more episodes after this set are going to come out before the Super Bowl.
19:13 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have time.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll sit and think on it.
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody's going to the Super Bowl, by the way, let me know, because we'll be down there.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: My brother and I should say.
19:22 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so anyway, before we get too off track, what's your offseason grade now for him?
19:28 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Be plus.
19:29 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're on the same boat.
19:31 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: A stud reliever, like you said, would have given them an A in my book.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Devin Williams would have given them an A. Yeah.
19:38 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to.
19:39 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: In their philosophy, giving $50 million over three years to a reliever is not, not what they're in the business of.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Which right?
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's their choice.
19:47 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That the bullpin falters down the stretch.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't have an up-depth.
19:50 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have enough high-end relievers when it push comes to shove.
19:54 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Then that'll be what gets exposed for them.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
19:57 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: the rest of the roster, you have youth, you have veteran, you have elite hitters from both sides of the plate, you have contact, you have power, you are great, good to great in most positions.
20:12 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, behind the plate, you're great in center field, you're great on the mound, you're great, and the bullpen I would say you're good, but you're top end guys are great.
20:22 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: at shortstop your good to solid second base solid third base good with the potential to be even better of cold Emerson catch as far as a rookie first base it's a great you're good and left field and in right field I'd say you're solid oh and catcher you kind of suck but it's all right I said I said catcher's great oh well I'm countering
20:46 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kidding.
20:47 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
20:47 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to let Cal know that out?
20:49 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what I'm kidding.
20:51 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Catcher, catcher, you are not just great.
20:52 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You are a lead of a lead to catcher.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you look at the Mariners roster.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What are they bad at?
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're in a really good spot.
21:04 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They really aren't.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They're balanced with Donovan now.
21:07 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a little, again, they might be a little left-handed heavy, but this is why Reft Snyder is going to be important.
21:12 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think people should take a good, long look at Colt Damerson's splits last year in the minors.
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right that it does not mean he's just going to equate to Big League success immediately from both sides of the plate.
21:24 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But Colt Damerson, OPS-840, or above, from both sides of the plate last year.
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's left-eas and right-eas.
21:29 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he really hit both sides.
21:33 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:34 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There.
21:34 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he did.
21:35 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess if you want to try to nitpick something, actually, I would say there's one spot and I'll get to it in a minute.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It ties into all this.
21:43 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I do just want to give people a quick reminder while we're sitting here that if you want to talk to us in person about Brendan Donovan, the first chance you'll have to do it is about a week and a half from now because that'll be on Wednesday, February 11, where we're doing a Mariners trivia night.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll even stamp it.
21:58 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We very, we very well might put a brand and not even trivia question into trivia night.
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We just might.
22:04 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to try and answer it and talk to us about them, you can come to Queen Anne Beer Hall on Wednesday, February 11th at 7pm.
22:11 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a ton of prizes to give away, including one big grand prize to the ultimate winner.
22:15 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can't wait to see you guys there and give out a bunch of stuff.
22:18 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So please come on out.
22:19 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a blast, February 11th, Queen Anne Beer Hall, 7pm, Mariners, trivia.
22:24 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Hosted by us.
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
22:27 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What's up?
22:28 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you reading?
22:29 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this of what Passen just put out.
22:33 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So he is doing a player A and a player B comparison.
22:36 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me read you a couple of lines here.
22:39 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Player A over the last 3 years, 366 games, 282 351 420 slash, 117 WRC plus 7.5 F4, Player B 355 games, 291 333 445, 116 WRC plus 8 F4, Player A is Brennan Donovan, who's Player B?
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Player B's got the slightly lower F4,
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got slightly lower WRC plus slightly higher F-war.
23:08 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's somebody who's probably a pretty good defender.
23:10 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it horner?
23:12 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
23:13 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You're thinking about this totally wrong.
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Think polar flip essentially what you're thinking is.
23:18 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.
23:19 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But a lower WRC plus than Donovan?
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it Kyle Schworber?
23:24 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It is Boba Shet.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
23:27 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And how much is Donovan making?
23:30 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The bread and donovan is set to make $5.8 million this year.
23:35 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Boba Shad is going to make I believe $42 million.
23:38 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:43 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll read your stat again for you, which you tweeted out of people want to check it out.
23:47 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge Polarco's career WRC Plus is 112, and Brennan Donovan's career WRC Plus is 119.
23:55 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge Polarco is making $20 million a year in Queens.
23:59 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Brennan Donovan is making $5.8 million this year.
24:02 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And Polarco is going to DH and play first base.
24:04 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much.
24:06 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Plunker might have the higher upside, but Brennan Donovan has been very consistent and he can play all these positions for that.
24:14 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The more things you read, it just lays out in front of you how this is a win.
24:19 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of you might be bumben Williamson has gone, but I promise you, when we watch this season,
24:26 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: you will appreciate what Brennan Donovan brings swapping those two players on the Big League roster.
24:33 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners thought he was Brooks Robinson, he would not be getting traded.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he would not.
24:38 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one other aspect of this trade we need to talk about.
24:41 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I was going to get into because you asked me, what are the Mariners bad at?
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really have an answer.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I would pinpoint to now,
24:50 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: is depth in your rotation, because once you get past the five, with Jorangelo's saying to being the headliner of this trade and him being the guy that's going to go back to St. Louis and be the player that the Cardinals hope to really get their bang for their buck for in this Donovan deal.
25:05 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners once you get past the main five are down Logan Evans for the year with Tommy John and now Jorangelo's a Cardinal.
25:12 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So you do have less starting depth.
25:19 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: until next year.
25:21 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't qualify any of the three as much as we love Emerson Hancock and we will talk about him in Wednesday's episode as one of our takeaways from fanfest.
25:32 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to throw Emerson Hancock Dane Dunning or Cooper Chris well into the high upside category for those guys.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of leaves you with
25:43 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Not quite Louis F. Castillo, but no, I know, but it's the idea that you're not, you're not putting these guys in there and expecting that they're going to come out and throw a three, five year away for 15 starts, because that's not going to happen with these guys.
26:00 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but Dean Dunnings made a lot of big league starts.
26:03 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I know last year was a disaster forum.
26:05 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't throw that many innings and as part of that was due to injury, but he was available.
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
26:11 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a reason he was available.
26:12 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, the last two years have not gone well for him, but go back to 23, he was a thorn in the mariner's side a lot of that year.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, through 170 innings, he was at 37ERA.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not perfect.
26:23 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the expected stats year by year with Dunning don't back up when he has a good ERA, like in 23, things like his FIP were a lot lower.
26:30 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But for a sixth starter, who you might just need to make 10 starts for the year, you would have to hope he's a perfectly, like,
26:39 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: like serviceable solution, along with Emerson.
26:43 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, your right is not the same as having Dr. Angela and Logan Evans.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not.
26:47 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But you would never have anyone missed the year.
26:51 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they do, they may have to go trade for an arm.
26:53 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:54 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: With Dr. Angela, I think you could have survived it, because it would eventually gotten to the point that Dr. Angela was ready and Dr. Angela has the stuff from the right side, which we were going to talk about on Wednesday,
27:07 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only going to be a right-handed starter this year.
27:11 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's going to be.
27:11 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: His stuff from the right side would be good enough.
27:14 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for you to survive with him making, say, the final 15 starts of the regular season, if you had to in the Mariners rotation.
27:23 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But now with Logan Evans out and Jorangelo in St. Louis, I don't think you have a 15-star guy currently in your organization outside of your main five.
27:38 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is where I think you're right.
27:41 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The flaw is in this Mariners organization, but that's a flaw most teams have.
27:47 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Most teams don't even have the starting five that the Mariners have.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and if you're starting five stays healthy, we know how absolutely incredible it is.
27:56 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's be clear, the Mariners don't have a starting pitching prospect problem.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They just have a where they're currently at in terms of big league ready,
28:06 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'll call it problem, but question.
28:08 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's call it question.
28:09 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in a year from now, K to Anderson and Ryan Sloan are gonna be right there and Logan Evans will be back.
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: There's all your depth back.
28:15 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And if the Mariners really still feel like they have to replace Gerangelo, they could take a big lead, call it, or sorry, they could take a college starter with their first round pick this year.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: If they decide that's where they wanna go.
28:25 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But by now it's nice is by next year you're not going to have that issue because again, Kade, Sloan, Logan Evans, they'll all be there and ready to go.
28:33 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just right now for 2026, there is a little bit in limbo.
28:37 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That that's it.
28:37 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about 2026, 2026 is the the season guaranteed in front of us right now.
28:43 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's and that's the the roster set up you currently have.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, I mean, that's it.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
28:50 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel really good.
28:52 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I am hyped that we're now going to be down in Peoria in three weeks to see this roster and see how they're getting ready to perform in.
29:02 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If they can survive the WBC and not get hurt, I'm feeling good.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:08 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm loving this.
29:09 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I am, too.
29:10 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't think they were hit that hard with this return package.
29:13 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Duranjolo Stages is a good prospect and he has a chance to be a good big league starter.
29:17 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: but it takes talent to give up, to get talent, and in addition to that, I don't think there was any other shock with what the return was.
29:26 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's about what we thought it was gonna be.
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners also traded Type E to the Cardinals.
29:34 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And Type is been struggling in the minors.
29:38 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really struggled with his contact rates.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He struck out 30% of the time, each of the last two seasons.
29:44 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been a great friend of the podcast.
29:46 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been very good with us coming on with us.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of production on the field, the last couple of seasons.
29:52 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not been good for Type.
29:53 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He was set, I think, to repeat Hi-A again.
29:58 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: over a full season in an effort last year.
30:00 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was going to repeat that level.
30:03 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you have to go through two full seasons at the same level, the odds of you progressing forward are they drop.
30:12 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we talked to Mikey Morales about this.
30:14 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He had to do that in Modesto and needed essentially an overhaul.
30:18 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: just to get himself back on the right track.
30:20 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough.
30:21 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ty will get that opportunity now in the Cardinals organization in a bit of a, you know, a bit of a fresh start.
30:26 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this also puts into perspective how well the Mariners have drafted.
30:30 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it is unfortunate Ty is really not played well.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: This decade, among first round picks, or even back since 2018.
30:39 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really the only first round pick we've seen perform like this.
30:45 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan, Kirby, Emerson, Harry, Cole Young, Colt Emerson, Jorangelo, Kate Anderson, yeah?
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was Johnny, Johnny.
30:54 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, Johnny hasn't made the majors yet, but he's top 60 prospect and baseball.
31:00 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and like we always say, he's a guy that could be if everything works out.
31:04 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: 25, 25 guy, we could even push 30, 30 guy with really good defense, if it all clicks.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, the mayor has been pretty good at this.
31:15 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, and a world he's rooting for Ty, he's awesome.
31:17 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if anybody's met Ty and gotten his autograph or gotten to talk to him, it's spring training, or an effort, he's a man, he really is.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope he goes and thrives and say, Lewis.
31:27 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But the trade package of the Mariners gave up in terms of what they're getting in 26 and 27 with Brendan Donovan.
31:33 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's totally fair, and I don't think it kills them by any stretch.
31:38 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Mariners have been our team now and they were at the end of last year.
31:45 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think we'll have to see, I mean, can you compare what Polanco does in 26 to Donovan?
31:53 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the only thing I can't get out of my head is it's just how good Polanco was in 25.
31:59 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He was so locked in all throughout the second half or most of the postseason.
32:03 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, Gino, I know he didn't like produce a ton, but that was a real threat that teams had to take seriously with the 50 homers.
32:13 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we say it's safe to say that we don't know yet?
32:18 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know yet, but is there a world that's team will be better?
32:21 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:22 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally think all they need to be better is a healthy starting rotation.
32:27 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But you do have to counterbalance the fact CalPry won't hit 60 bombs again.
32:32 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But five healthy starters versus one player regressing from historical all-star to normal all-star?
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's something you can balance.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably right.
32:42 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a real world they're better this year.
32:44 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they are.
32:46 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if they're better this year, that probably means they're going to the world series.
32:50 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hopefully the right bullpen decision has made this time.
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
32:55 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, got to learn some more dog.
32:58 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do.
32:59 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe, maybe don't, like, carry carpenter game one, see Kirby.
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's, let's end the podcast because they will have me as Lao mentioned, we will have a,
33:10 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: normal recording schedule the rest of the week still planning for Wednesday episode we still have some fan fest takeaways we'll still do our mail back on Friday and we'll still have a post Superbowl Monday episode that will be recorded well in advance yeah we're probably going to talk about I was going to have allows going to be parting on Saturday night so we won't have time to record
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you just said you weren't making a guarantee.
33:33 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-uh, I didn't, I didn't, did I say the words team wins?
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
33:39 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I just said you were going to be, I just said you were going to be out.
33:41 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe having some, some liquids.
33:45 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess Grom did party after the Patriots lost the Super Bowl.
33:49 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's known to, it's, it's really, and done.
33:51 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was a big thing 10 years ago.
33:53 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: One of those, or more than that, when the Patriots lost one of their Super
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: shocker.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That does not surprise.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would have been 2011.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that doesn't surprise.
34:05 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:05 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, get fired up people seriously because this move takes the Mariners from being a good team to a potentially really good team.
34:17 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They're set to they're set to roll here in 26.
34:20 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So you should be nothing but excited to see Brendan Donovan and Mary uniform.
34:25 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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