Lyle and TJ give some of their last thoughts before the weekend ahead, with Lyle heading down to the Super Bowl (2:30). They then open up the mailbag and answer listener questions, highlighting the best Mariners managers of all-time, prospects expected to debut in 2026, Super Bowl predictions, and more (12:27).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 360 of the Marine Layer podcast.
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00:57 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday evening February 3rd Low right now is basking in the wake of a Super Bowl weekend upcoming down in the Bay area.
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think you're going to be doing?
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: as people are listening on Friday.
01:17 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Friday my brother and I dedicated that time to going over to radio row and the fan experience convention center to go do all that throughout the day.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe explore San Francisco a little bit too.
01:32 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't get into radio row without a media pass, but it's all in the same building.
01:36 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
01:36 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some people that we should know that are going to be down at Super Bowl week that you and I know who I'm going to try and go see.
01:41 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, just go see what the fan experience has going on.
01:45 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be good.
01:46 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to bring my mic.
01:47 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring my mic or mic, I should say, and, you know, I'll have my phone with me.
01:52 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So if there's a chance for some content, I'll do it.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just see if there's a chance for it.
01:59 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, brandonment cannot be traded for during halftime.
02:03 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We avoided that conundrum.
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: What if he was traded to the Dodgers for Kyle Tucker?
02:14 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you be more excited for if the C.O.X.1?
02:17 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker or C.O.X Super Bowl?
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody should ask me that as a mailbag question.
02:23 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually sitting here thinking about it, which by the way, if we needed to tie up any loose ends from fan fest, we covered most of it on Wednesdays episode, which if you haven't listened to that, haven't listened to that, you should go check it out.
02:36 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of people coming up to me and trying to console me at FanFest.
02:40 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, well, I'm sorry.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I heard about Kyle Tucker.
02:42 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to put a hand on your shoulder and say, it's gonna be all right.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, no, it's not, but we'll get through it.
02:49 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's been a lot of hypotheticals coming out like about winning the Super Bowl or something else.
02:54 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That example is Kyle Tucker or Kyle Tucker or winning a Super Bowl.
02:59 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: One of our friends today asked us, would you guys rather have $10 in cash straight up or a Super Bowl win?
03:05 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I said Super Bowl you guys are super bold this year, but the actually the way the question was framed because most of our friends in this chat don't have a team in the Super Bowl in 2027 would you rather have your team win the Super Bowl in 2027 or $10 and what I answered is $10.
03:27 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: because you think the seahawks are gonna win on Sunday.
03:30 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then at that point, like winning a second one's cool, but if you did it the year before, it's the thrill is not the same.
03:37 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, and that's right, but I think for us, that it should just be posed as 2026 Super Bowl or 10K.
03:44 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe the question should have been, would you take one Super Bowl in 10 years or $10?
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what of our other friends suggested?
03:50 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, oh, $10.
03:54 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
03:54 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: In the next, like, what one Super Bowl that could be 10 years from now?
03:59 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would take 10 dollars.
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, $10 dollars is not life-changing money.
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's real money.
04:05 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not like you're getting offered a hundred grand, like it's a year salary, or you're not getting offered a million dollars.
04:11 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: $10 is, you know, it's a couple vacations.
04:16 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If, but if you were to tell, like, if they were to win the Super Bowl in 2035, that's when it would be, or I would get $10 today, like, I'm sorry, like, I would take the money.
04:30 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't get excited about something that would happen 10 years from now.
04:34 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What if it's in 2029, I take the 10 grand.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm an experiences person.
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, I would take the Super Bowl.
04:43 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you take?
04:44 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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05:09 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Marinersworld series that that one is not difficult at all.
05:13 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay good because if you were about to say the other answer I was about to say fuck you.
05:17 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's there's a difference between those two and we've talked about it on this podcast and I I've seen many media members talk about this around Seattle people would trade a seahawks People would trade losing the Super Bowl this year for the Mariners winning the world series in a heartbeat.
05:34 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and we would do yeah
05:37 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: because that's something that that's a thrill we have not gotten to experience.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If the seawks went on Sunday, we do have a male bad question about the Super Bowl.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be at the end.
05:46 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Salana will actually have time to actually give our thoughts on the big game coming up because again, Brennan Donovan trades over next week.
05:54 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be full go previewing spring training and ramping up for the season to start, but there's a pretty big game on Sunday.
06:01 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So of course, we're going to spend a little bit of time talking about it at the end of this episode.
06:06 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, think about this.
06:08 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: By the next time I'm back, or I should say, by the time I'm back from the Super Bowl, so for Wednesday's podcast, the WBC pictures and position players will be in Pioria.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We're here.
06:22 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's time to start ramp it up, finally.
06:25 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But between now and then, there's a really big game, and we did carve out some time to talk about it.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference, the COX won their first Super Bowl in 2013.
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that night very vividly.
06:36 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the coolest nights of my entire life.
06:40 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so much fun.
06:43 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be really excited if the Seox went on Sunday, but I can't guarantee I'm gonna feel the same.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you'd feel the same?
06:52 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I'm gonna be there rather than just watching at home.
06:56 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were watching at home, do you think you'd feel the same?
07:00 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
07:01 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We were a little younger, we never seen any of our teams win a title.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one's always the coolest.
07:07 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I was watching it home, probably not.
07:11 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I-
07:13 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say you are validated in your feelings if that's how you're feeling on Sun and I.
07:18 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be really excited, but maybe not quite the same as 2013.
07:22 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, you know where your most excitement might come out is if we're at the parade next week.
07:30 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would be fun, not just be a big party.
07:32 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I mean, 500 people in downtown Seattle just celebrating.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: How many chances in your life do you get that?
07:40 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You just don't, and not every city goes out.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That you live in Boston.
07:44 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say not every other city goes all out like this.
07:46 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that ridiculous stupidass L.A. parade for the rounds when they won the Super Bowl?
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they don't have fans.
07:53 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
07:54 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And Seattle obviously does.
07:57 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So to see something like that go down for parade would be awesome.
08:00 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're going to go on Wednesday if they're in the parade.
08:04 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But
08:05 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: All that being said, yes, of course we trade a Seahawk Super Bowl for Mariners World Series.
08:09 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I still honestly believe, for as much buy-in as there is in this city for the Seahawks, the team that drives the most passion is the Mariners.
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that.
08:19 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I still believe at its core, Seattle is most passionate about their baseball team when their baseball team is good.
08:26 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I, I, I 100% agree, which is, which reflects my decision to
08:35 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it could totally be that maybe because I didn't expect the C.Ox to win a Super Bowl this year I'm not as like married to the allure of winning a Lombardy as cool as it is like $10 sounds pretty nice Yeah, again, it's not life-changing money.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I want the experience.
08:58 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
08:58 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but do you think that's different because you're gonna be there?
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe partly, but at the same time.
09:07 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: what am I going to do with those $10?
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you can save it, but that's not all that exciting.
09:13 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You could take a couple expensive vacations, but I don't know much interest to go to Europe or places like that.
09:18 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: As you know, maybe some of our listeners don't know that, but yeah, I'm not that interested in going around to see Europe.
09:23 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not interested in going around to see it.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ, TJ wants to see it.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I can care less.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not that I'm not a traveler.
09:31 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have interest in vacations where you're like going around sightseeing all these ancient things.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather spend a week on a beach.
09:40 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Lyle's like the 49ers, he likes Cancun.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, Cancun, the Caribbean.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'd ever have the money to go to Bora Bora one day, but it looks pretty nice.
09:50 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You go hang out with the Tom Brady and Alxero and St. Barts?
09:55 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is that?
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: St. Barts.
09:57 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the Caribbean.
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, yeah.
09:59 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, sure.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with that.
10:03 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I imagine Tom Brady and Alex Earl just sitting there like those photos with surface and I'm just third-wheeling next to him And I'm just like, can you guys believe Kyle Tucker didn't pick Seattle?
10:19 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the meme of the dude in the sitting at Chase field with the sunglasses on Like talking to the girl.
10:26 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's in Houston, but yeah.
10:28 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, close enough.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it would be that.
10:33 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I would take the experience because I'm a big experience person in terms of the thought when you get all.
10:39 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I love experiences too.
10:40 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is you could use that $10 for experiences.
10:44 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially because since I've seen a Seox Super Bowl and I haven't been some more I really want to go, like I could have that experience and set.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can now have two things I've done for the first time.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean Europe?
10:56 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you really want to go to Europe.
10:57 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yeah.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And sports a little bit.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure.
11:03 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what people did splurge on about this, but as as we've been very consistent on, we're all into win a world series, whatever it takes.
11:10 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You money aside.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
11:12 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like we've asked people at the ballpark about what would you give up to guaranteed Mariners World Series?
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I give up a whole lot of things for Mariners World Series.
11:21 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you that, which by the way, you mentioned splurging.
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what people should splurge on?
11:26 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: or trivia night, like eating a bunch of food and having a bunch of drinks and showing up at trivia night, come Wednesday?
11:34 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday when you're listening to this.
11:35 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's five days away, February 11th.
11:37 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Over a queen and beer haul, it's gonna start at 7 p.m. You wanna splurge on the night out with your friends and have a chance to win some pretty cool prizes?
11:45 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:45 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on out to Queen and Bearhold.
11:47 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a blast.
11:48 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a bunch of mariners trivia all geared up for you guys.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a bunch of different topics a bunch of different categories.
11:54 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make it really fun.
11:55 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go around and talk to a bunch of different people like all of you guys that are at the event.
11:59 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a grand prize for the ultimate winner.
12:02 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it on the last episode, right?
12:04 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a grand prize tickets tickets.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just any tickets.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Opening day tickets.
12:11 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want a chance to go to opening day for free, your best shot might be to show up at Marine Lairpot Trivian.
12:18 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to get those tickets yourself.
12:21 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
12:22 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see you guys there, 7 p.m. February 11th, Queen Ann Beerhal.
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13:17 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start off with a banger.
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob on patreon asks.
13:22 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Name your top five and bottom three
13:33 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: a very very loyal marine layer pod listener wanted to know our top five mariners managers and our bottom three mariners managers of all time aka he wants to ask a straight sicko delusional but sicko just psychotic type question because when you go down the list of the twenty one mariners managers ever good lord four of them have winning records all time three of them have made the playouts three out of twenty
14:02 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And only four of them have managed over four over three years.
14:10 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
14:12 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Lou Scott service and then one guy who I can't remember managed four seasons then and then everyone else's three seasons or less.
14:21 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Darrell Johnson's the four seasons?
14:24 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 77, 78, 79 and 80.
14:28 --> 14:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is, that is an absurd number.
14:32 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's, it's not great.
14:35 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And Darrell Johnson made my list, but you're gonna have to wait and hear a see where I put him.
14:41 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: While, let's start with our top fives, who are your top five mariners managers of all time.
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Lose, obviously number one, Scott's service is number two.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I want to opt out.
14:57 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
14:57 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to finish it.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I want to.
15:00 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you want to, but you have to finish the top five.
15:05 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think anybody else even deserves their name mentioned in a top five ranking.
15:11 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what makes this so fun.
15:16 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: you're waiting for me to put Dan Wilson on here on you.
15:19 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting to see what your decision is because you sound a little undecided earlier.
15:24 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's clearly with him not being in your top three.
15:26 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's so far is not my top two because I've had Lupin Ellis got service.
15:36 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the problem is that
15:38 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only been three managers to make the playoffs.
15:42 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, well, unfortunately, there's not been more managers to make the playoffs for the Mariners.
15:47 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So it does make this really hard after the first couple.
15:52 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess Dan Wilson's going to be a three, because despite only managing one year, which is part of the reason I almost figured he should be an incomplete for this, because we just don't know.
16:02 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He did make the ALCS, so yeah, again, there's questions if that was in spite of his decision making or not, but obviously he did something right because I want a lot of games.
16:15 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't have all the talent in the world without a manager who at least is having some impact on the team to help them win.
16:23 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously the guys in the clubhouse like playing for him, even if
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what am I going to do?
16:31 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Put him below guys who have never made the playoffs, yeah, he's probably got to be number three.
16:35 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put Lloyd McClendon at four because, again, he almost made the playoffs, which is what we're rankin' here, and then he had a good roster.
16:45 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he didn't put it together, it was the Rendsack, but I mean, yeah, Lloyd McClendon probably sadly going to be number four on this list.
16:52 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then number five,
16:55 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This is where we're getting into really sad territory.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we may have the same guy.
17:00 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I put Bob Melvin simply because despite him not being good in Seattle, he was good in other places as a manager.
17:07 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going on this list for things he didn't do with the M's.
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we might have to cook up a graphic of these rankings.
17:13 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: See what the people think.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good idea.
17:17 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, if you want it in a more compact order, my top eye is gonna go Lupinella, Scott Service, Dan Wilson,
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Lloyd McClendon, Bob Melvin.
17:29 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, my top five lose number one, I have Dan number two because he made game 7 of the ALCS.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott service did not.
17:38 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jit Lyle, your question is completely valid, was that because of Dan, did the team do it?
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Would the team have done it regardless of Dan was there or not?
17:47 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But because he has, he has the only team that made it that far, farther than any team in Mariners history.
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He will get my number two spot.
17:58 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there's some big gap between him and Scott service.
18:01 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott service is number three.
18:04 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob Melvin is number four, and Lloyd McClendon is number five.
18:08 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Bob Melvin's at number four, not number five, because he actually went on and was a pretty good manager elsewhere, just wasn't great with the Mariners, Lloyd, well, Lloyd was fine, he's he's fine.
18:22 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of four Mariners managers of Mariners history with a winning record.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to be on here.
18:29 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a reason Jerry depoto didn't stick with Lloyd when he took over the GM job.
18:33 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's because Lloyd was a complete boomer as old school's old school got.
18:41 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry and Justin are obviously very forward thinking baseball people.
18:45 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that was going to mesh with again, and not just an old school manager like Lloyd, but like in every way, just complete old school.
18:56 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I want to hear your bottom three.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, pick your poison dude.
19:02 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put whoever you want in your bottom three.
19:06 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You made the point to me when we were going through this.
19:09 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: about Darrell Johnson who I just have so many more memories of some of these 2000s managers and how just horrific they were when they were here but when you point out that Darrell Johnson won less than 40% of his games as a manager I think he has to be number one.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Darrell, yes, Darrell Johnson, I'm the same way.
19:33 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, I mean, four, one of three managers to get more than four seasons with the team.
19:42 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And the other two were, I have the other two of the top two winning percentages in Mariners history.
19:49 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And Darrell Johnson's got a 38, 384 win percentage.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm putting Mike Hargrove at two.
19:56 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a complete disaster.
19:58 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had a team that should have been actually good for a couple of those years.
20:02 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He had sex in, he had belt tray, he had each euro.
20:05 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They had actual players on that team.
20:09 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: and they were horrendous.
20:11 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: horrendous.
20:13 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he's gonna go at number two.
20:15 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure he left in the middle of the season.
20:17 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's some point in time.
20:18 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He just decided that, you know what?
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna quit middle of the year.
20:23 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: How?
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like mid 2000s Mariners.
20:27 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll probably put Eric Wedgett number three because he was also pretty bad.
20:32 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
20:32 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I stayed old with mine.
20:34 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've Darrell Johnson is number one.
20:36 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Mori wills was really, really bad.
20:42 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only did Mori wills only make it a grand total of where is he?
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He in terms of winning percentage.
20:50 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This dude managed.
20:53 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... he managed a what a two games as mariners manager this is a man who in his book called had a steel penit
21:05 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: More Will's claimed he could take any last place club and make them champions within four years.
21:13 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the blunders Will's had while being manager.
21:17 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You think Dan makes bad decisions.
21:20 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Will's called in a relief pitcher in a game, even though he had no one warming up.
21:28 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like a problem.
21:36 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: and he even left a spring training game right in the middle of the fly to California.
21:41 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Just no care, no care in the world.
21:45 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He as one of our friends would say, morey wells that day in spring training had better things to do he decided.
21:52 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And clearly he must have been much better at other things than he was at managing.
21:58 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So he finished the 1980 season with a 20 and 38 mark.
22:04 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But then was fired by May 6th of 1981, after starting the season six and 18.
22:12 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If you claim that you could turn a last-place team from, in four years, from last-place to a world-spin-it-winner.
22:24 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: but only managed to win 31% of your games.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you deserve your spot on this list.
22:30 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one I had was Bill Plumber, who was so atrocious, the Mariners fired him after a one single season and hired some guy at a Florida named Lupinella.
22:40 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I do think we need a graphic for this.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Let the people debate.
22:46 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna be good.
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll set a reminder for that, so we have that to come out on.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: the Friday afternoon.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: God, that's that's a good thank you to that question.
22:55 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that was good.
22:57 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Making Lyle Rank Dan Wilson always a pleasure, but this also like the subject of Mariners managers in history is... it's hilarious.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What is he making me rank him?
23:08 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't we have the same aligned vision about the in-game decisions he makes?
23:12 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we've had a, we've had a
23:17 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I threw out the idea to you, as the Mariners are like, perating their way to the playoffs last year.
23:23 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If Dan wins a World Series, is he the greatest manager in Mariners history?
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what am I going to say?
23:30 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
23:30 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's the only manager to win a World Series, I guess.
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But it feels a little odd to say.
23:37 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:40 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: When we were coming up with these lists, you just seem to have a little bit more trouble putting your foot down on where Dan was.
23:48 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and most of that to be fair is he's only managed one year.
23:52 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If Dan was just manages three years and the Mariners win,
23:56 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: 90 plus games during all three of them or average ninety-win seasons throughout the three of them then yeah of course what are you gonna say but he's only managed one year and if he wins like seventy five games each of the next two years then he is off my top five list and he slides probably right behind Lloyd McClendon chairman or sister Lloyd McClendon but nicer right right right make that put that on a quote card
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But Lloyd McClendon wasn't the put your arm around the guy's shoulder and say, I've got you.
24:27 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: What a solk say about McClendon, he thought like showing emotion was not part of the job.
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like showing comfort.
24:36 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's certainly Lloyd had no emotion when he was chucking bases out of their sockets and screaming at every umpire.
24:44 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone got ejected out of a Mariners game.
24:46 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in 2015, and he screamed at the first base umpire, and then he went and screamed at the second base umpire, and then he went and screamed at the third base umpire, and then he left.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But wasn't it all performative?
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
24:57 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Was he doing it to try and fire his team up and then the team just kind of rolls their eyes?
25:01 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you think Robby was thinking while Lloyd was getting himself kicked out of the game?
25:05 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What's he just like, all right, man?
25:07 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll tell you what Robby was thinking.
25:10 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's thinking to himself, I'm putting on my numbers, and my check clears on Monday.
25:15 --> 25:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Nintendo.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:19 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's a good question.
25:21 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We're definitely making a graphic for that.
25:22 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Josh on Patreon.
25:25 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh asks, now that the offseason is pretty much over, how drink the AL West teams one to five?
25:32 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners are definitely one and if you saw what we either posted on social media on Tuesday or if you saw the fan graphs odds which is where we got these numbers from.
25:43 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have the best world series odds on the American League ahead of the week.
25:48 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Hang the banner.
25:48 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there ain't that many banners.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's not this plenty of room.
25:57 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: People think the Mariners are going to be really good for every good reason and I think they will so yes, they're going to rank a top of the AL West.
26:03 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I will put the Astros behind them at two, but man, I think the gaps closed between Houston and Oakland or I guess not Oakland anymore just the A's.
26:13 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I really think the A's have a chance to be a wild card team this year.
26:17 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to pitch and they're starting pitching is a major major question.
26:21 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a really fun lineup with a young team that likes playing together and is in a hittersball park.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not be shocked.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they're going to go out and win 90.
26:31 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be shocked if the A's won 83 games, 84 games and gotten as one of the last wild card teams.
26:37 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll put the A's third, I'll put the Rangers 4 and the Angels 5.
26:43 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I have Mariners one, Rangers two, Astros three.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The gap between the Rangers and Astros is kind of negligent.
26:49 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at FanGraft's projections, they project them both to be about 500.
26:54 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Astros project in is like 81 and a half wins and the Rangers' projection is 80 and a half wins.
27:02 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They think the two teams are mid and I would tend to agree.
27:06 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Both can pitch, both lineups are old and lacking.
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Can the Astros still pitch behind Hunter Brown?
27:16 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have some depth behind.
27:18 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't know what he might as gonna be, and then after that.
27:23 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've got, with Christian Havier, I don't know when, I don't know when Ronel Blanca was supposed to get back this year from his Tommy John, but maybe he'll get him back at some point.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't think they have a ton.
27:39 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of who they had on their roster last year.
27:43 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Lance McCullers is not what he used to be either.
27:47 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have to see their bullpen was really good last year.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But bullpins are also sort of what tends to be less consistent year to year.
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what the Astros you have.
27:58 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They could potentially be having a healthy yord on Alvarez this year, which is a huge bump.
28:03 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The Rangers do have a pretty solid pitching staff.
28:07 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They're offense though.
28:07 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't buy for a single second.
28:09 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Cory Seeger is getting up their an age.
28:12 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They traded Marcus Semian.
28:14 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no guarantee Brandon Imo in his 30s is going to be another a stud offense of player again, especially in the ballpark, which by the way was the hardest to hit in.
28:24 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe in all of Major League Baseball last year, even more than T-Mobile Park.
28:28 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the rest of the roster is just kind of, remember when we were talking about what's his name, Michael Helman at the end of the year, and I was bitching and complaining, because Michael Helman was single-handedly keeping the rangers in the playout phrase?
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not trusting that over a full season.
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're leaving out one ranger, cause you didn't mention their second best hit or behind Corey Seager.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Rattitless.
28:52 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Not quite.
28:53 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Young.
28:55 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm talking about why Langford.
28:58 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But two hitters still make a line up.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they don't.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're banking a lot on young devounce back.
29:03 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be banking on nimo to have a good year.
29:07 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be banking on a lot of guys.
29:11 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a different look now to that team.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dolace has gone.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jonah Himes gone.
29:15 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And right, I think Jonah Himes gone.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he got the effect.
29:22 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a new look now.
29:24 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really buy the new look rangers.
29:29 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They have degram, they have a Valdi, they have rocker, they have lighter.
29:33 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a free agent.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
29:36 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I thought.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Who am I missing in that Ranger's rotation?
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm missing a big name.
29:40 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Which ones have you listed?
29:42 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to do it off the top of my head.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I could just look it up.
29:44 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Degram.
29:45 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Degram, a Valdi, rocker, lighter.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and they traded for Mackenzie Gore.
29:50 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who it is.
29:51 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
29:53 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the rotation could be really good.
29:59 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're taking the Rangers and they're pitching over the A's and they're offense because you have the A's rank pretty low.
30:06 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like I have all three teams ranked relatively close just because the Rangers are two and the A's are four.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be like four game separating all of them and that's not that much.
30:16 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The A's offense is good enough to get them to 80 wins, 78, 80 wins, which is roughly where their projection is.
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That pitching staff sucks.
30:25 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: it's pretty bad.
30:26 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They cannot pitch and they have a ballpark which is not going to help them pitch at all.
30:31 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you can't pitch, you need to have the greatest offensive all time to outweigh a pitching staff like that.
30:36 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And as good as their offensive, they don't have the best offensive all time.
30:40 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They do not.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wouldn't be that shocked.
30:42 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is a hot take.
30:43 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wouldn't be that shocked to see the A's come out as one of the last wild card teams.
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're fine.
30:50 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the middle three teams in this division when the Mariners play them will all roughly be about the same town level for a variety of reasons.
30:59 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: One's youth, once proven, one has always been the best, but not really anymore.
31:05 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: In summary, Mariners should not lose this division to anybody, given the roster they have in front of them.
31:11 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They are much better than all the other teams.
31:14 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the angels, the most clueless franchise on the planet Earth, in last.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: More clueless than the Rockies.
31:23 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: What's bad about the angels is that, like, they're like half competitive and they manage to get good players and they don't have a ballpark that hurts them in a development stance from like, for example, the Rockies.
31:40 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Rockies are always at a disadvantage because they can't develop itching.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The angels don't really have an excuse.
31:46 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just in it.
31:51 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
31:54 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still employed.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's terrible at his job.
31:58 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you might want to climb the ladder when you're looking toward blame, even above Menacean.
32:03 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Arty Marino.
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's where it stops and starts.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:08 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys have been seeing the stuff about the...
32:11 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, was this the end?
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, no, wasn't it?
32:14 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to, I'm not about to get us caught on anything right now.
32:18 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to mention there is, there was like a case that went on about someone's medical insurance, but I'm not sure who that was.
32:25 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what do you mean caught it?
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're just talking about, was that about, was that about the angels?
32:30 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think.
32:31 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
32:31 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was airing on the safe side because I wasn't sure.
32:34 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the angels did eventually start paying the students' insurance, but they had to go to court to get it.
32:41 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say, I know I know who you're talking about.
32:44 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go to Sam Blums, Twitter, read any of his articles, who's the angel's right or something for the athletic, that's where you'd find it.
32:52 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think we're getting, you're not getting caught with anything.
32:54 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just, well, no, I didn't want to accuse them of something they weren't doing.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
32:58 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What's up?
32:59 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, put you in some sticky water sometimes.
33:01 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: An example of what a good organization does when a player is struggling with medical things.
33:08 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers used to have a guy on the roster by the name of Andrew Toles.
33:12 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really struggled with his mental health for seasons now.
33:17 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Dodgers have been paying his insurance in full without asking him for a single thing.
33:24 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The entire time.
33:25 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets his free insurance to help him through that.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what good orders do.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like every organization should do that.
33:34 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Help insurance in the grand scheme of things in terms of player payroll.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't think it's that much.
33:39 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
33:41 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why the angels are last long, long-winded way of saying, the angels are the last place to my 2025 predictions for the L. Feels right.
33:50 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:51 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:51 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Feels right.
33:51 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to describe it.
33:53 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Tanner, Tanner, welcome back to Patreon.
33:57 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a question with the season coming up.
34:01 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What three prospects do we think could we what three prospects could potentially make the big leagues for the Mariners?
34:09 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll lock into, you're gonna see Colt Emerson this year.
34:12 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's pretty well known.
34:15 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we see Michael O'Royow at some point this year.
34:17 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Once you have passed those two, it does get a little interesting.
34:21 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If you had to pick a third, either you're gonna go down the pipeline a little bit and you could see somebody like friend of the pod Tyler Cleveland, who is a reliever and has put up some good numbers and probably has a chance to get into the Mariners bullpen at some point this year.
34:36 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Or if you're looking at more of the high end guys, maybe you'll see one of Kate Anderson a Ryan Sloan at the end of the year, they could pitch in the bullpen if they make the playoffs in a scenario like that and if everything goes right.
34:48 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a big if.
34:50 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt and a royal, I would feel pretty confident about and otherwise I would probably go down the list of it and look toward one of those reliever prospects and somebody like Tyler Cleveland.
34:58 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I had the same first two.
35:00 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: A royal feels like a more likely scenario than last,
35:04 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact they're at the same level, a Royal did not have the swing and miss issues at AA, like LAS did last year, and if LAS comes out this year, the numbers are better in AA, but the strikeout rates still like 28% and a Royal puts up similar numbers like he has.
35:20 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: His entire career is being one of the most consistent prospects the Mariners have in their system.
35:25 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners might lean Arroyo, who's now learning left fields, they could put him in a corner, or just DHM, and feel like he has a higher floor at the big league level this year, if they're picking between those two.
35:39 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of anyone else, I thought of the same archetype as you, I thought, reliever.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Tyler Cleveland's definitely an option.
35:45 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, could someone like, I know we keep bringing them up, like, a college reliever that they just drafted, like Lucas Kelly, make his debut, especially if the guy is only going to be a reliever,
35:59 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: with the Mariners organization, why waste bullets in the minor leagues if your stuff is playing up and you're getting like swings and misses.
36:07 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you if you start in like high air double an you throw kind of like Troy Taylor's route or you throw 40 to 50 innings of just dominant ball, why not just go to the big leagues because relievers are pitching in such short sample sizes that the odds of them getting exposed are a little bit lower.
36:29 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be fired up to see Lucas Kelly in the big legs as with you because the man's a sun devil.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He was one of our guys.
36:36 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The second he got drafted and just so happened he found our account too.
36:40 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is great.
36:41 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm looking forward to meeting him in spring training when we go down there because we haven't talked to him in person before, but we haven't had a sun devil in the system since we started the podcast.
36:51 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know the last time they had a sun devil in the system period.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Tubby goes which.
36:56 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god.
36:57 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about coming through the system as a minor.
37:01 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, good question.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say Mike Lee too, but also not coming through the system.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
37:05 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there hasn't been a lot.
37:08 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a Lucas Kelly being in the system.
37:10 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The big win for us.
37:12 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Another name who's been kind of popular, I thought, in terms of reliever.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Sandy McGraw.
37:19 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just got a long way to go.
37:21 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's bad.
37:22 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But if he's a reliever of the path shortens a lot.
37:25 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It does, it's just he spent all of his time once he got back on the field last year back in Everett.
37:31 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So he took a little while.
37:33 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And it only takes three months of really good relief to earn yourself a big league spot.
37:39 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially with the kind of stuff he has.
37:41 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I don't think it's this quite the same as what it was a wake forest when he was a projected first round draft pick.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: All these injuries he's been through.
37:51 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But if he's amping it up out of the bullpen, I mean, people throwing this idea out there, can't remember if it was Joe Doyle or someone else, or our friend Arm Layton, who threw this idea out there, it's like, if you know Teddy McGraw is going to get hurt and his arms are taking time bomb, because of all the injuries he's been through, why not just put him in the big leagues and tell he can't pitch anything.
38:14 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if he can prove that he's big league ready, it's an idea.
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw a one more name out there.
38:18 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll have to hit a little better in AA this year, and improve on the area he had last year, but could we see Jared Sunstrom at some point?
38:26 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
38:27 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: A head of a Royal Ode, imagine.
38:30 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: he's got a little more minor league time and his older so sure that would make sense he's going to have to again hit a little better in double a he ops six seventy in Arkansas last year so he'll have to improve on those numbers but the Mariners need outfield help at some point he feels like he'd be on a decently short list and if he hits well in double a for the first I don't know six to eight weeks of the year you'll probably see him get up to Tacoma the ones you're in Tacoma you're a call away
38:57 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Him and Arroyo, so have those two have the same essentially path next year, and last, all throw lads in there too.
39:04 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They all three, as outfielders, have a similar path to make the big legs.
39:09 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They need to hit and Arkansas first, earn a promotion to Tacoma, and then, at this point, wait for an injury.
39:17 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens, performance could indicate changes earlier, but as of right now, would probably take an injury.
39:22 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, the only spot that those guys would play, I think, is left field, because it's some trims supposed to be a good defender.
39:31 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, off the top of my head, I don't.
39:36 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say he's an average defender, but he's a corner out fielder.
39:42 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to look really fast, they give them a 50 field on pipeline.
39:46 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so fine, but he's a corner out fielder.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not a center
39:51 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: more likely than not than he would play left field with the mayor's have a left field or in randy rose or in it so they would need for these guys to play randy would need a dh because i don't think they're sticking these guys in right definitely not i don't think they would stick last and right i don't think they would stick a roo in right either i mean i should i should say this i don't think central is played no center field but i don't know if you what i mean is i don't think he's gonna project as a big league center fielder
40:18 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that he would take reps away from Julio.
40:21 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, could you play him in more than one spot given his defense?
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So Sun, Sunstrom last year played 13 games in center.
40:29 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He played 34 games in left and he played 53 games in right.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, in a pinch, he can play center field.
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably not going to play a ton of center field in the big leagues.
40:38 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I guess we'll see those outfielders though and the relievers are definitely less likely than Colt Emerson essentially Colt is the only real prospect.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We could sit here right now and guarantee he's gonna be in the big legs
40:54 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: the big year for a lot of these guys that everybody's fired up about 2027.
40:58 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you want to talk about a big year for the Mariners Foreign System.
41:02 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: 27 is going to be the big year.
41:04 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's when you should see lads, you should see Sloan, you should see Kade, feels like you could definitely see Johnny Farmello in 2027.
41:13 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a massive year for Mariners Prospects.
41:16 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because those four,
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: feel like that's where their timeline is.
41:21 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, the Mariners are going to have a lot on their hands next year because they're going to have to figure out how to get all those guys up if they're proven to be big league ready and where they're going to slot in.
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the next question.
41:32 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: This comes from Ya Ya Wolf, who we met this week in a fan fest.
41:36 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your support.
41:38 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: On Patreon, the question is, how will the WBC affect spring training?
41:43 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She says they're planning to arrive a few days.
41:45 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Last few days of February, but should we switch to later in March?
41:50 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If you get there the last few days of February, you will see everybody for the first few days.
41:55 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think March 1st, roughly, is where a lot of these WBC guys are gonna head out.
42:01 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're there at the tail end of February, you'll see them in the first few days.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how the WBC ill effects bring training.
42:09 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: When March 1st hits, you're gonna see that big conglomerate of players head out to there.
42:15 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: national teams for the world-based ball classic they're going to get a couple practices and they'll do a couple scrimmages actually though i think a couple of the scrimmages are in Arizona so if you want to go see any of those WBC scrimmages i i believe the u.s specifically is playing a scrimmage in Arizona at some point so they're doing it at the spring training complex is though right are they not chase field
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
42:40 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think USA is playing the Rockies and one of them.
42:43 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Salt river is pretty nice.
42:45 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always a field for the Rockies play.
42:47 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine for a exhibition.
42:49 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
42:50 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:51 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say it won't affect your trip too much, because if you want to see all the main guys, you'll see them in the first few days.
42:58 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to see them the full time, you could either start your trip earlier, or you would go
43:05 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Roughly the last week of March because that's when everybody would be guaranteed to be back because the WBCL and roughly I want to say March 18th the week before the season starts.
43:17 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so not a lot of time.
43:19 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Did Team USA plan this on purpose or is just a coincidence that they scheduled an exhibition against the Rockies knowing they wouldn't need any of the Rockies players.
43:31 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's
43:34 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's like when Alabama's schedules, slow-easy, Adam and Rowe.
43:42 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Rockies getting a paycheck for the scheme?
43:44 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They should.
43:46 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: because whether they run out they're big league team in their prospects it's going to be like a million to nothing I would I would also agree with Lyle that the end of February is probably the best time to go because even if you go at the end of spring training I mean guys are really kind of winding down then and there's
44:06 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Less, it's less likely you're going to get to see prospects in Big League camp as well.
44:10 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Because once the prospects go to minor league camp, they were to different part of the clubhouse, they were away from the fans more, their games aren't as public, it just makes it a little bit tougher for that.
44:20 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want the full experience, last week of February when we're going is a really good time to go.
44:26 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
44:26 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And once you get toward that end of March, you're going to see a lot of the main guys play a lot less in spring training games, especially the ones that get back from the WBC and we'll probably need to rest.
44:36 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So between all that, they'll start to get a little worn out by spring training by the end of March.
44:40 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be ready to just get the season started and get back to Seattle.
44:45 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: In late February, they're usually pretty juiced up and they're usually pretty fired up to see all the fans and to get back into action and get back to playing games.
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say that's a good time period.
44:55 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Bryson on Patreon, but before I read his question, I just need to give us shout out to Bryson.
45:01 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryson has been one of our OG listeners, and this week he has been manifesting for all two and a half years.
45:13 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_01]: his his at on YouTube.
45:15 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's changed it, Bryson.
45:16 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You can message us if if if it's change I haven't been since we've been getting more YouTube comments and I haven't gotten to read quite as closely to all of them.
45:25 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the longest time Bryson's YouTube at was the Brendan Donovan trade and this past Monday, Tuesday of Monday, February 2nd, 2026.
45:38 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryson's
45:43 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I can only envy a manifestation like that because mine, um, did not.
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's now changed his, uh, Bryson's now changed his act.
45:54 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Who I believe the TJ Freedle trade, so you see that ends up working.
46:00 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, TJ Freedles a good player, why not?
46:03 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not more TJs within the Mariners ecosystem.
46:06 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be great.
46:07 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you, Bryson, as always, for your support.
46:09 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: His question is, do you want to Brennan Donovan, do you want Brennan Donovan on an extension if so what does that look like?
46:17 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm always down for keeping good baseball players on the team for a long period of time.
46:22 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But I...
46:26 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the Mariners want to see a year Brendan Donovan first before they make a decision on that.
46:31 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you were going to extend them, I don't money-wise, I would guess it would be something like four years and $15 million, A.V., something like that.
46:46 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of compared this to JP Crawford's extension, which was five for 51.
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so add on an extra year, why not?
46:54 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Donovan might cost a little bit more than JP did, but if you were gonna make it five years for $75 million, that feels like a pretty reasonable extension for Brendan Donovan.
47:05 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But it might be closer to three for 45 because he'll be what 31 when he's a free agent.
47:12 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he's going to argue he wants the years.
47:14 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm well, yeah, I'm sure he does, but he could take three guaranteed years instead of what he would get on the open market.
47:20 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think he's good enough to get five years on the open market.
47:25 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe If he's on him today, you could give him a five year deal because then that's only three for agent years.
47:33 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And how long is he going to be able to keep playing all these different positions?
47:36 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in two years, you're expecting both Cole Young and Cole Demosen to be staples on this team.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case,
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Where does Donovan play at that point now?
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
47:47 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Good point.
47:48 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would I would say it's a little bit more than JP's extension, but the war totals for the two and they signed their Sension and like JP first career was worth about eight or total when he signed Brennan on have been right now has been worth 11 and four seasons JP.
48:04 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think had one extra year but also didn't play a whole lot in his first couple
48:09 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Brighton Donovan when he was a rookie, had his best year, and played a full season.
48:14 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Brighton Donovan could be the Mariners' left fielder if that's what you decided you wanted to do when you extend him, because if you're not going to keep a Rosarana, it could be something like that, but it also doesn't feel like you give him five years to play left field for a half decade in his early-to-mid 30s.
48:31 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the Mariners are going to have to let this one play out a little bit before they make a decision.
48:36 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from SWL-1984 on Instagram.
48:41 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The question is, which predictions have we absolutely nailed and which have we absolutely failed?
48:50 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I nailed the Rob Reft Rider prediction.
48:52 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen a play yet, but in terms of saying, look, the Mariners are way too left-handed heavy.
48:57 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: All the bats on the trademark at their targeting are left-handed heavy.
49:00 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They need a right-handed bat that can hit lefties and Reft Rider makes all the sense in the world.
49:04 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they went and signed them.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was pretty good.
49:08 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: What are some of my bad ones?
49:09 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's so many.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'd nail Brian Wu.
49:14 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's true.
49:14 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been on that high train a long time.
49:17 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Long time.
49:18 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I said, what was my, or what's the line I always use?
49:22 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That I think he has the highest upside in the entire rotation.
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's looking like he may be that.
49:30 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guess the lot I really use is he has a chance to be an ace at some point, and that's what he was in 25 so sure.
49:37 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll go with those two my worst ones.
49:39 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Does one Kyle Daniel Tucker have to factor into this yes?
49:47 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe that
49:49 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What are some other really bad ones I've thought of?
49:52 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can think of one I've failed like the 20, 25 season.
49:57 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I said the Mariners would miss the playoffs.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That was wrong.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Very wrong.
50:02 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've got another one for you, but let's see if you have it on your own list.
50:06 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, Taosker Hernandez, I was way wrong on.
50:10 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we, I thought Taosker, we both did.
50:13 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Taosker was a perfect fit for what the Mariners needed.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not who I was thinking of, but yeah, we both got that one wrong.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Colton Wong, I think I got wrong too.
50:26 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we said, oh, this is a great fit.
50:31 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, I'm still not who I'm thinking of.
50:34 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, I know what I was right about, but I'll save that one.
50:40 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I was I was right also on woo and Reft Snyder and then we're listing off some of the ones that we both had wrong I definitely have a Kyle Tucker thing wrong.
50:49 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You're still not getting the one them waiting for you to say That we were wrong on Well, this is you.
50:56 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me.
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Why was right about a Toro?
51:00 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll take that victory lap
51:05 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I still throw back to our Batman with Jared Caravas.
51:08 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just I was just about to say that a Toro Red Sox Shurzy on you would have just hit like no other to see Caravas hit that you he hit one foul But yeah, no okay, so I was right there What was I really really wrong about I'll tell you
51:29 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: okay.
51:30 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You bang the drum very hard for Mitch Garver.
51:34 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
51:37 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Not great.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That one was not good.
51:39 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to stop using the words perfect fit and I probably used it for Josh Taylor and if he sucks this year then you can blame me for it.
51:48 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when Mitch Garver signed, I said, this is the perfect Christmas present for the Mariners.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the arguably the most slept on hitter in the free agent market.
51:56 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he doesn't strike out, he walks, he crushes, he's going to fit right into your lineup.
52:01 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be an everyday D.H. and he's going to produce, and it is one of the five worst contracts that the franchise has ever handed out.
52:17 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He was actually pretty nice at any time we'd ever talked to him, but the player just didn't work.
52:22 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the 100%.
52:24 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's anything else, maybe we can address it in a future episode because I think the fact I went on TV last year, Aaron Levine asks me straight up, TJ, the manager's making the playoffs, so don't go.
52:36 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We hadn't clipped.
52:39 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We hadn't clipped.
52:41 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We were sitting on that clip, waiting for an opportunity to use it.
52:45 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Never got to use it.
52:47 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, we probably missed a couple of opportunities because we could have used it after Josh Nailer walked off the mariners when he was a diamond back.
52:53 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We probably could have used it after that Yankees series when Brian Wu took a no hitter into the eighth and they blew it and lost.
52:59 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We could have used it on that road trip before they went 117 of 18 after they got blasted by the rays when we were boycotting.
53:08 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: we could have put it out then.
53:10 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, do people remember that?
53:11 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we were transparent with people during that race series.
53:14 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, so we're sitting here podcasting, but we've taken a break from watching the game.
53:19 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, let's just be transparent with the people.
53:21 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't watch the games.
53:24 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We decided we needed a break.
53:28 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then see if we did it after that race series, it would have been perfect because then I would have been like meme to hell.
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
53:34 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine with me.
53:36 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty good.
53:37 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But you were right about more than just Abe Toro.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just blanking on the spot.
53:41 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What are some other ones that you got, right?
53:44 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:45 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure it out.
53:46 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
53:46 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We say a lot of shit over the years.
53:49 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You can drop it in the comments for us, anybody listening, if you remember some TJ takes that have really aged well, because there are some, we're just also both airing ourselves out for a bunch of the bad ones we've had.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's wrap up the episode.
54:01 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Mitchell, long time listener on YouTube, says, call your shot who wins the Super Bowl and what's the final score?
54:09 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Seahawks win, 31, 13 Patriots or Frods.
54:15 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Seahawks win, 24 to 10, sand Arnold Super Bowl MVP.
54:24 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There are no plays from the one yard line
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_00]: love it.
54:30 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now does the game stay close or is it 24-3 in the fourth quarter in the Patriots score a backdoor touchdown?
54:40 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only way this game breaks open this weekend in the Siocs favor.
54:44 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If Rashid Chihide takes another kickback for a touchdown, then then I think it'll be sometime in the second or third quarter a two touchdown game.
54:53 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The defenses are going to make this tough.
54:57 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I know this stadium doesn't matter quite as much, but yeah, I just kind of have a feeling there's going to be lesser offence.
55:06 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the Seahawks know they have a talent advantage across the board, essentially like I'm sitting here thinking, I don't know what the Patriot's single unit.
55:16 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... that is better than the seawks uh... quarterback i would say like i think drake may be better than sam darnell sam against the rams though is incredibly good and if he plays like that again i don't think the patriots have much of a chance uh... i don't think this we're gonna learn if drake may is actually good next year when the patriots have to play all these first place teams and not a bunch of cupcakes including a charger's game in the playoffs where they scored one touch down
55:41 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_00]: a Texans game where they scored 24 points because C. J. Stroud threw four picks and they got three of those picks inside Houston territory and a Broncos game where they scored 10 points against the Jared Stitham lead Broncos and one by three.
55:57 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason they got that touchdown is because the brunt what the Broncos turned it over deep in their own territory, right?
56:03 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You, yes, did I'm through a, for a pick?
56:06 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or he turned it over.
56:07 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was a fun bolt, but he turned it over.
56:10 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You want one bold prediction?
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So my favorite Seahawk is Devon Weatherspone.
56:15 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And for as good as he's been, it really is an entire seahawk tenure, but especially this year where he has just been an absolute lockdown corner, stands a few plays in that Rams game, in the NFC title game.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been unreal all year.
56:30 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing he doesn't really do a ton of is pick the ball off.
56:33 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of that's because people don't throw it on, but he doesn't pick the ball off a ton.
56:37 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: How about Sunday's the day?
56:39 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He takes one of the house on a pick six against Drake May, who has not seen a Mike McDonald type defense all year.
56:46 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: How about it?
56:47 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He saw the Texan's defense, but again, he was getting set up so well, the Texan's defense didn't really have much of a chance.
56:54 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're different, so now we're getting a football talk here.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The Texan's defense is really good.
56:59 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Houston and Seattle were the two best defensive in the league.
57:02 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The difference is the Texan's pretty much just bully people, and they'll just outstrike the people, and that's how they end up having really good defensive games.
57:11 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But Drake May has not seen the headache of a scheme that Mike McDonald defences put together for teams week after week.
57:20 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't seen that.
57:22 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm going to continue my like peruse across the board here like quarter back I would say Patriots though again if Sam plays really well I don't really think that matters because the rest of the rosters are or as I will lay out offensive line wash wide receivers Seahawks running backs
57:44 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I mean, if Charbon A was healthy and it would be closer, but I'd probably say Pat's because they have two healthy running backs who have been on the team all year.
57:52 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not missing anything there.
57:55 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Tide ends.
57:56 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say the sea ox, because I couldn't tell you who the Patriots had ends are.
57:59 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, yeah, thank, deep edge of maybe.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, defensive line.
58:07 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, Milton Williams and Christian Barmore are really good for the Patriots, but you ain't got the depth in New England that the Seahawks have.
58:15 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I grow.
58:15 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give it to the Seahawks defense of line.
58:18 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give it to the Seahawks line backers, and I'd give it to the Seahawks defense of backfield.
58:22 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then on special teams, I mean, the Seahawks have the best special teams unit in league.
58:27 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Patriots db's are really good.
58:29 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean with her spoon and Christian Gonzalez are pretty close and then I think Carlton Davis said a good year for the Patriots Marcus Jones at the pick six the other week.
58:37 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like It's probably the seahawks because Their safety's are so good and the Patriots don't have an even worry But like the Patriots db's are good.
58:46 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I would definitely give the seahawks the D line edge though because
58:50 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I, like, for as good as Barmore and Williams have been for the Patriots, you can put Leonard Williams in Byron Murphy right up with those guys.
58:57 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if those guys essentially cancel each other out, then what's left?
59:02 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Seahawks have remaining players that can make a dominant front for basically any other team in the league, because you take those guys away, which you wouldn't, because they're your two best guys on the line.
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But still, then it's,
59:13 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Chenna and Jaren Reed and you've got Peelate of Marcus Lawrence.
59:19 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I didn't even say to Marcus Lawrence.
59:21 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
59:23 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Morris like it just it just goes so deep on that line well it's going to be fascinating to watch Patriots fan watch a Patriots fans watch a Seox team who's hopefully not going to be incredibly injured like the last time they played.
59:36 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like people like to like to forget when when Brady beat the Seox and they threw it on the one-year-old line last time.
59:42 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You had Jeremy Lane breaking his arm and tearing his ACL in the first quarter after picking off Tom Brady on the
59:50 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Earl Thomas said a busted shoulder.
59:52 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Cam had a torn NCL.
59:55 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Sherman had torn legaments in his elbow.
59:58 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, remember that, right?
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that play against the Packers with late in that NFC title game.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He stuck his hand in to try to break up a pass.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: and it got twisted and he tells his ex-ground.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He essentially played the rest of that game with one arm because I mean, he could still cover, but he couldn't pick the ball off.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the reason some of those Seahawks players were so pissed after that interception happened.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not just the play call, but also because it's like, we just played on all these injuries, these absurd injuries.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And you do that?
01:00:28 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and ClifAvero got accustomed left the game, and the Patriots couldn't move the ball.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: When ClifAvero was in the game, because he was destroying the defense, the offensive line of the Patriots, and then he got accustomed, went out, and all of a sudden the past rushed down.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but that was 10 years ago.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the C-Ox is the one, I think the C-Ox are a better team.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason I think it might be close is that the C-Ox just play it conservative because if you know you're the better team across the board, you don't need to take as many risks and know that you're way more likely to win the game than the other team.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: how many wrists are they going to take?
01:01:01 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like against the Rams, Cucks are not a more talented team than the Cucks, and the Rams are probably about equal in terms of talent.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So clearly like Mike McDonald has to let Sam d'Arnold like just go, him and Clint just need to let Sam just cook and he did, and he was great, and he was awesome.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: against the paths, a team, I think the see-offs are better than, yeah, maybe do they try and run the ball more, do they try and sort of limit the limit the casualties?
01:01:27 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question, I'm not sure.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like against the Niners, they didn't even have to open up the playbook at all, they just kicked their ass up and down the field.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, this is a Patriots team that not only played Cupcakes all year, but they really,
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: have not looked very good all postseason.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I know they played some decent defenses in this postseason, but they didn't look good against the chargers.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't look particularly impressive against the Texans, and they didn't look good against the Broncos.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Drake may take in 15 sacks in this postseason.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So then on top of that, they're now going to have to face the number two scoring offense in the NFL.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: which is a pretty big step up from the trio of teams they've faced this postseason.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've, last time the CX played the Patriots, it was the two best teams in the league pre-confidently and that game could have swung either way.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I feel the same way about this game.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: feel pretty good, man.
01:02:20 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I'm not wrong, but I feel pretty good.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is also my why I'm my think to our topic at the beginning of the episode where it's like, like, winning on Sunday will be really, really, really, really cool.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But do you get the same satisfaction?
01:02:34 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's the same as the first, but no.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Super Bowl.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes you'll take the, you'll take a, I'll give me if you can get it.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I might remind people, do you remember the last Super Bowl that took place in this building?
01:02:50 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Which one?
01:02:51 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't remember which one it was?
01:02:54 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Chiefs?
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, I think the last time they had it in San Francisco's 10 years ago, right?
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Super Bowl 50?
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Broncos and Panthers.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you remember of the storylines of that game?
01:03:10 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember one team having an old wash quarterback and the other team looking like they were clearly better across the board.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Folks ain't gonna keep me impatient with you, Cam Newton.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: anything can happen.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, I feel pretty good.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: 20, 24, 10.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if people picked up on that line, but there is a Cam Newton club.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple, but especially that one that has just made its rounds all year, where he's tearing Keyon Coleman a new one.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's got solo by future playing in the background.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's everywhere.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I see it every week.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He ends up with Big Dog.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to be our
01:03:54 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: his, his podcast is absurd.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've seen any of the clips, but it's absurd.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I have who listens to that.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think all the interaction has to come from those clips because I don't know who's listening to that podcast.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I'm driving a work, I'm listening to Cam Newton's podcast.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing with when like skip bailis was on undisputed.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I have all the things I'm going to sit here and watch today.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch undisputed.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's one thing to watch the clips, but there is no way you're like, I need to get my intake of sports for the day.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: See what's going on.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Watch undisputed.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get a business now.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Skip Aless once spent 20 minutes of a segment talking about while abroad and Anthony Davis were following Russell Westbrook's wife on Instagram.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The greatest of all time.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say before we wrap up this fightcast.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So Cal did tell us that he's going to the Super Bowl this weekend and he ended up deciding he wanted to go.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he said he's going with Brian Wu.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't get to say this to Cal.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we can ask him in a few weeks since we're training.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But this man Brian Wu is going to be sitting there just praying on the Seahawks downfall, right?
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be tough for him.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, and I'm not gonna blame him.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a big nine or fan.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would he like the sea hawks?
01:05:13 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not gonna be the only one.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if he's going, he's definitely gonna be sitting there rooting for him, rooting for him to lose.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There are gonna be some other nine ors fans in the crowd.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this was what might make it more satisfying this weekend where you can, you can say to nine or fans, it's like, yeah, we wanna, the sea hawks want a Super Bowl in your building.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like more recently than you clearly.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they haven't won a Super Bowl in 30 plus years.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't know how I was going to frame that, but like winning a Super Bowl in Santa Clara's the ultimate like middle finger to To to the Niners.
01:05:49 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would be a hell of a path for the Seahawks if they win the Super Bowl by curb stomping the Niners Exercising the demons of the Rams and then putting old legends of the Patriots in the past from a decade ago
01:06:05 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, that's a hell of a storybook right there.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's another reason I'm glad you brought that up.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Why I'm confident in the C.O.X.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This, this weekend, like, are we sure the Patriots would have finished top three in the NFC West if they played in it?
01:06:20 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like C.O.X.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: One, the greatest division, essentially, of all time.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: for that the three teams won, I forget how many combined games, but they dominated outside of their own division.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe three teams did.
01:06:33 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's either 37 or 38.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's pretty pretty insane.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of games those teams won against teams not name each other is insane.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And the CR's won that,
01:06:53 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like beating teams twice in a season is very, very difficult.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And the C-Ox were able to beat those teams again at home, very impressively.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they're going to get to play a team for the first time, whether they're going to have their full playbook available and the better team.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're going to win 24-10 C-Ox stamp it.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I look forward to celebrating.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Parade Wednesday, hopefully.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's hope so.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be back next week from the Super Bowl.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait to share all the experiences.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's just baseball time people.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had a little bit extra time to toxic hoax because until the Brendan Donovan trade, there obviously wasn't a ton of Mariners stuff going on in January.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we were tying in the conversation of greatest Seattle sports you're ever possibly.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But after this week, it's Mariners time.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's spring training time.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys are gonna be reporting, it's time to rock and roll.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm excited, Ben.
01:07:49 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I know like we're obviously going to record another episode tomorrow and Wednesday that will come out the Monday after, but as you guys are listening to this on Friday enjoy this weekend Have fun These moments are something stuff that us Seattle sports fans don't get to experience very often So the fact we've gotten the ALCS in a super bowl in the same year is is insane.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's pretty crazy
01:08:13 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We will not get to do our instant reactions to the game on Monday's podcast because again, we're recording him a little early and then I'm going to fly back.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to hear us talk our reactions post Super Bowl, that'll be Wednesday's podcast episode.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So, let pay attention to our social media because if they win on Sunday, you bet your ass.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going, great as Seattle sports, you're a full time.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I'll say something like that out at Levi's Stadium.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Make sure you give shit to nine or fans.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, good mailbag.
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