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01:24 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Morning Lair podcast part of the Just Baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening March 5th Low with an absolute disgrace of a baseball game that was played today and on Thursday.
01:39 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Good Good Lord
01:41 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me throw out a proclamation here.
01:44 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to start putting time limits on spring training games.
01:47 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's no clock in baseball and I know that's part of the beauty of the game as you can't just run the clock out.
01:53 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: In spring training there needs to be a clock.
01:55 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when I see shit that goes on in terms of what happened today, here on Thursday, this just has to stop.
02:02 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine covering a game like this, a game that doesn't matter, a game that it's probably toasty out, and it just rags like this.
02:14 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The Audrey scored 12 runs in the second inning, a regular season mariner game, a game that counts, you and I would both go, well, time to go do something else.
02:26 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if the podries at score five runs in the second inning, let alone 12, they scored five in the second inning.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're turning the TV off.
02:35 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but then they go and play seven more innings.
02:40 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's not like they scored five in the inning, they scored 12.
02:43 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: 12 runs.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Mariners should have to forfeit the better cut because of this.
02:49 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, TJ, you'd be breaking the hearts of so many including me.
02:54 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't you can't you can't just fork it the better cup the better cups more more in the world series.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't care what environment it is.
03:02 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if the game matters or not.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners lost by three touchdowns today.
03:10 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Justin Herbert torched the Mike McDonald defense here in this preseason game.
03:15 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to say, although maybe that's not nice to chart to the people of San Diego, because the chargers are not there anymore.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what's going to matter this year, Lyle.
03:23 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners and Podaries are going to split the season series.
03:26 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they split the season series, it's going to come down to run differential.
03:31 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Or it's going to come down to the overall scoring in the series that they play.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this game should be used as the tiebreaker.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: 27 runs.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we count?
03:43 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think every single mariner's picture allowed a run.
03:47 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, or that is to do now, before we get to that, in fairness to some of these mariner's arms, in fairness, it was windy as all hell apparently down in Arizona today.
03:58 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And
03:59 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, yeah, that was the big thing.
04:02 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really windy, and some of these pictures had some pretty bad luck with some of the defense that was being played.
04:07 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So that played a little bit of a factor, just reading up on the game a bit.
04:11 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is still 27 runs.
04:14 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: While they threw nine arms and nine of them allowed runs.
04:20 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know the term yes hitter, instead of no hitter, yes hitter, you know how they do team no hitters?
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a team yes hitter.
04:31 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, honestly, I think you're quote about, I think you're quote about they should have to forfeit the better cup needs to lead our quote cards on Friday.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I agree.
04:43 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So with a game like this, we did have to check with a couple of our Mariners correspondence to get their, get their thoughts on a game like this because truly, I mean, love if you were not, you and I were down there at Spring Training.
04:53 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I promise you, we would not have stayed in this game.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have done a couple of laps around the ballpark and then left.
05:00 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So we would have digested all of our lios by all of our lios Island barbecue by that point.
05:07 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We would have eaten and gotten back to the hotel or gone to meet up with some of our friends in the middle of the game.
05:13 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been the sixth thing by the time we done all that.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had to check in with a couple of people who enjoyed the length of games.
05:21 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So Ryan Davis actually thought it was really funny.
05:25 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The game.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine that?
05:27 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought for sure, I would have put betting odds at like minus 8000 that he would have just stormed out of the press box that a fury having a cover spring training game that long.
05:39 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I saw the times article as we were getting ready for this episode.
05:42 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, they actually made Davis right a gamer for this story.
05:46 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't imagine what's going through the mind of Beatwriter after the Mariner's pitching staff allows 12 runs in the second inning.
05:54 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: To be clear, just for anybody who didn't quite understand that reference, when they say gamer, that is beat reporter or journalism lingo for game recap.
06:03 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a game recap on a 27 to 6 game though to be fair from my and your brief experience writing game stories in college.
06:14 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's a blowout, you have your story done mid-game.
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: They just leave an empty space for a quote, and that's it.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that's why Ryan enjoyed it.
06:23 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact, like, we experienced longer baseball games while we were in Peoria than was played today.
06:30 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The game today was only three hours and 19 minutes.
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that's possible.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was a lack of locks.
06:38 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there were only five locks from Mariners pitchers, not to be fair.
06:44 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: They allowed eight home runs, but home runs are a little faster than throwing four balls and going over the fence.
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We did check in with another Mariners correspondent who had a bit of a different reaction.
06:56 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It was called a quote, disc race of a baseball game.
07:01 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not, I mean, we could see both sides of this.
07:04 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But this is really most of the amusing things about spring training, because there's a lot of guys pitching in this game that, you know, we're either big fans of or have a chance to make the roster this year, like Troy Taylor pitch in this game, our guy Reed Vance.
07:17 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Scooter pitch in this game, Luis Castillo, started the game, Tyler Cleveland was first out of the bullpen.
07:23 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We got at least collectively say, we don't need to play favorites in this because everyone
07:29 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we'll still play favorites because we have our guys here on the podcast, Tyler Cleveland and Reed Vanskudor, the couple of guys we have investment in and, you know, emotional investment and really root for.
07:40 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, we'll have emotional investment in these guys in this game.
07:45 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: However, just just dropped it clockwise after.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: two and a half hours three hours.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
07:52 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm I'm down.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that works for me.
07:55 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're if you're just nothing, if someone's if someone of risk submitted a mail bag question to us, which shock you I'm shocked actually no one submitted a mail bag question to us after this game was over and said, guys, are we worried about the Mariners pitching staff in 2026?
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully no one did that.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: My answer to that question would be no.
08:16 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't the only thing you can do about this game is laugh.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, that's what David did.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was hilarious.
08:24 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just say this when I had a thought here.
08:28 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it comes back to me.
08:30 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to try and remember.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your fault.
08:32 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You cut me off.
08:32 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, and then you stomped in.
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's your fault.
08:36 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
08:37 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Blame the Mariners for doing something in spring training I've never seen before.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I will say, actually, this
08:46 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: makes a spring training game memorable.
08:48 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Most spring training games, you can just throw out because it's the same thing over and over and over again.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: If you like pull back the curtain a little bit, I don't want to out anybody, so I'll just talk in general terms.
09:01 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Covering spring trainings like a real grind, it may seem really fun as a fan to go down there for a weekend, or for us to go down there for one week, when you're doing it.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is, yeah, exactly.
09:12 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a lot of fun when you're down there for a week or a weekend covering the team.
09:17 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: When you're down there from start to finish in spring training, people can get a little bored.
09:22 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing every day, at least with today on Thursday, March 5th.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_02]: it's not the same thing.
09:29 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It is something completely different that you can experience.
09:32 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: This is true.
09:34 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember I was going to say now.
09:38 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a pitcher who has to get work in this game, because that's the big reason they play these games throughout its full entirety, right?
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of pitchers that need in-game work.
09:48 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're getting up against the pitch clock, like we're throwing out there as a idea to bring into reality.
09:57 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a pitcher that needs to get work in this game, but the time clock runs out,
10:01 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The solution here is you just go back to your back fields and throw in some live baths against your hitters.
10:06 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the meritor, if you're the Padres, if you're one of these teams and you a pitcher that still needs to get work in, you tell those guys, all right guys, we're going to walk back to the complex, you're going to make your two-minute walk back there, you're going to go out to one of the fields and you'll face a few hitters to get your 20 pitches in or however many we need you to throw.
10:22 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Then everybody that's still sitting there or the media that's are covering it doesn't have to worry about sitting through it.
10:29 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is when we're organizing this, we're only organizing this to the benefit of media.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Not the fans for the players.
10:38 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Do the fans really wanna sit there through that by the end with 12 runs being scored in the second.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The fans get what they get, like they don't get to control the outcome on the field.
10:48 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the players, like, I'm sure the players, like our guy read at the end of the game, I'm sure he wanted to get in the game in pitch, doesn't matter if the Mariners were down 21 runs or not.
10:58 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose still put a time clock in these guys these guys are pitching for jobs Well, this is this is their livelihood and at the media like we're employed already and Again, like there are points where people just want the game to be over so they can go eat or go do something else Yeah
11:19 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe this needs to wrap up this portion of the pod and we're going to transition over to the mailbox because we just spent the first 11 minutes of this podcast talking about a blowout spring training game.
11:29 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: That is the first and last time we will spend 11 minutes on a podcast talking about an outcome of a spring training game this year.
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13:11 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, first up on the mailbag, Cory has a question.
13:14 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you guys ever thought about doing a show segment about any more broad MLB news?
13:20 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny early on in the early stages of this podcast.
13:23 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We did do that.
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We would do an MLB wraparound segment where we'd pick a few topics and dive in on it.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't do it as much now.
13:30 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still times where we'll weave national storylines into the podcast when relevant, or if there's just something we really want to bring up.
13:37 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would say since people mostly want to just hear Mariners talk, we try to really zone in on that.
13:46 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also in part why we started our bullpen banner channel too.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a podcast.
13:52 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not us sitting for an hour and talking about national baseball podcast topics, but it was a way for us to scratch our creative edge and also start talking about the game in a more broad way.
14:01 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say we did do it early on, but we just found that people are just more interested to hear the Mariners' centric stuff, so we tried to focus on that.
14:11 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot easier for us here on this platform to just tie things to the Mariners from a business perspective.
14:17 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The ROI on talking about Mariners versus talking about something not related to the Mariners at all is a pretty drastic difference.
14:26 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_02]: If something is relevant, Corey, like we will 100% bring it up, we'll talk about it.
14:30 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, it's our podcast, so we get to control all the topics that are on here.
14:34 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_02]: If we feel like we need to discuss something, like talking about the world series after the Mariners are eliminated, we can absolutely do that.
14:42 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But, like on a point like this, like the example Corey uses in this was talking about the
14:53 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: like the cheats at this point.
14:55 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He's done a twice.
14:56 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know how much I have to say on that nor do I think for like the topics we're trying to hammer out in these episodes, how that relates to what we're going to talk about.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, when there's big storylines, we'll usually weave it into the podcast.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We just don't
15:12 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Dedicates absolute specific segments to talking about it specifically on every episode just because again The only people we serve on this podcast since it's our own podcast We started it where the creators of it the only people we serve since we don't have bosses are you the fans everything we do is
15:33 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: with the fans in mind and the best interest of people in mind.
15:36 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've just picked up that for the most part what people want to hear most about is just the mariners.
15:42 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So we really, really try to give that to people and not and not stray away too far from that.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.
15:49 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Corey, since you asked the question and it is a good question.
15:52 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want a little creative national baseball podcast talk here on this
15:57 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of the episode, since he sent it in, I'll go to our friend Jaracrabis for a minute, friend of the pod.
16:02 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because speaking of Jarac's improv art, John Hayman, quote tweeted after it was announced that Profar got suspended, that he tweeted out, I guess not quote tweeted, but tweeted,
16:18 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Exogenous, it's probably exogenous.
16:21 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Prover tested positive for exogenous testosterone has received a 162 game suspension without pay.
16:28 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So the main point there is seeing that after Prof. R. said earlier in that day, I have never put anything illegal in my body, which you clearly did.
16:38 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It then gets reported that he tested positive for exogenous testosterone.
16:42 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And credit to our friend, Jared Caravis, he quoted it and said, I hate when I unknowingly inject exogent, oh my god, I can't even
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Exo-generous, I don't know.
16:56 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Exo-Genus, I've already given up.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Exogenous.
16:58 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a state to stop.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He ingested.
17:00 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He, he, he, and stuck testosterone in his body and got back.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I will, I will take the word out.
17:08 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exogenous, but to quote Caravas, I hate when I unknowingly inject testosterone into my body, is what he said.
17:16 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: and not that wasn't even the biggest like loser part of it for jerks and pro for you know it provided right after that i think he technically still could have played in the WBC if you wanted to i think the way those suspensions work you uh... you would you could play but then you couldn't report back to camp
17:37 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, jerks improve are just laughed, the Netherlands.
17:40 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He, he, he quite quit.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He quite quit.
17:43 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not getting paid.
17:44 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he's not going to go.
17:45 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Now to be fair, his insurance might have avoided because there's no capital for the insurance to back up against, but yeah, that's not it.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not great.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, it's not great.
17:56 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't cheat now.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get caught.
17:58 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I hate it when I unknowingly test positive for exogenous testosterone.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: See, now I got the whole sentence.
18:05 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to your provis and I didn't butcher the word again.
18:07 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question, Lyle, comes from Michael on Patreon.
18:13 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Michael's question is, how concerned should we be about the Mariners bullpen going into the season?
18:18 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm never able to watch as many spring training games as I want to, but looking at the box score,
18:23 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... and not it seems like not adding one more arm will come back to hurt them this is what we talked about right if you want to get back to a little bit more of a serious topic and the nuts and bolts of this roster look both of us are going to give this off season somewhere between a b plus and a minus for the matters that a very good off season this team is good it's very competitive it feels about as complete as it's been in a long time
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But where are some of the question marks?
18:49 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of them is absolutely the bullpen and the fact that the fact that they did not add one more true leverage arm.
18:57 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I know they're banking on Jose for how to be that, but he is not really proven to be that yet in his career.
19:02 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the underlying data and the stuff under the hood suggests he could be, but he is not proven that.
19:07 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I would say that in terms of concerns about the bullpen, it should still be good and to be fair to the mariners, and I think this is absolutely true.
19:16 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If they prove that they still need a levered charm, that's something you can definitely go out at the deadline.
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But where are some of the question marks?
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: As we enter opening day?
19:23 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're a levered charm short.
19:27 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think we're gonna find out any of this stuff and how it affects them in spring training.
19:33 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the assessment of them in spring training should have anything to do with how it looks in the regular season.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause that's I guess how I thought the question was framed.
19:42 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Spring training is going to be spring training.
19:45 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now the Mariners don't have And this will kind of bleed into the next question.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a single guy.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel overly confident in claiming the last bullpen spot for the Mariners.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Not a single one.
19:56 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So well
19:58 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the last three, because once you get past the main five, who are you really confident in with those last three spots?
20:06 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We know Carlos Var, I'm not confident in Carlos Vargas, but he is gonna get one of those spots.
20:11 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He is, and we'll get to him in a minute, so I'm gonna save all my Vargas thoughts for that.
20:15 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, so call it the last two if you want, or call it the last two and Vargas, do you really have a ton of confidence in anybody right now?
20:26 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
20:26 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but we are going to, we're going to figure out how much the Mariners lack of an extra lever, drama, heart them, probably like June.
20:35 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The scenario I'm laying out is if moonios is down for a night and say Gabe Spire is down for a night, then what do the Mariners do with their bullpen?
20:44 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's where signing a hypothetical Devon Williams would come into help to pitch at the back end.
20:49 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you don't have those two, do you have the leverage after them or the depth after them to make that work?
20:55 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so in that scenario, you'd have brassion for air available, but if George Kirby or Logan Gilbert or whoever goes five and a third innings at night, how do you bridge it the rest of the way?
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to use those guys to throw multiple innings in May.
21:09 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to figure out some of those guys at the back of the open that can step up.
21:14 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So is that going to be?
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know.
21:16 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I can learn anything about Alex Hoppy right now.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Who got?
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Shelled again, nay.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He has not been sharp, so far on spring training.
21:25 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will say during the spring, I think it's more important to watch trends and not so much box score results.
21:31 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, Brian Wu gave up a couple of runs in his start, I wouldn't even sweat that a little bit.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was more important with him as he was missing bats and striking guys out.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what matters in spring training.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: With Hoppy,
21:44 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the box score results have not been good, but I don't have the Mariners internal data.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's stuff that they're seeing with him that they really like.
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard, but it's harder when you're a non-Roster guy.
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:54 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing to fall back on like Luis.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Just talk on anyone who got pitched today and they probably got sheld out.
22:00 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis started the game today and got sheld.
22:02 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, the Mariners aren't going to be like, oh my god, what happened to Luis Castillo in this scenario.
22:07 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I read Michael's question more as, well, I'm watching the results of the bullpen and spring training, which goes back to my question I had in the off season before the spring started of, are we confident in the bullpen?
22:19 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I read that is in general.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we think this bullpen is enough?
22:22 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, it's, again, solid, but I think they're missing a lever, John.
22:26 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the bullpen's good right now is a great, I don't think so, but that's going to be up to them to prove it to us.
22:33 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So speaking of the bullpen,
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to next question.
22:36 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can tie it in the next question.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh has a question.
22:39 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think will make up the back end of the bullpen after the five locks?
22:44 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And the five locks he has are Muñoz, Brash, Spire, Jose Ferrer and Edward Bizarre.
22:52 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this where Varga?
22:53 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, we still have an actual specific Vargas question coming up.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll save it.
22:58 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Vargas is going to get a spot.
23:01 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we starting to think Cooper Chris will might get a spot to be the long reliever?
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He almost has to because he has no options.
23:08 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't have options and the fact they need Emerson Hancock to be a starter at this point because, again, unfortunately, our guy Logan Evans is going to miss the year with Tommy John.
23:17 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he essentially going to take Emerson Hancock's role that he occupied in the bullpen at the end of last year?
23:22 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he can pitch a normal relief role if you need him to, but he's also there in part for when you need him to be to serve the role of long reliever.
23:31 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And I also think Chris Wol has to cause he's on the Mariners 40 man.
23:35 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a non-Roster invite.
23:37 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's actually looked pretty good in spring.
23:40 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the other roster guys.
23:44 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, Alex Hoppy and Casey Legamin is on the active roster Troy Taylor is on the active roster, Cole Wilcox is on the active roster, but no, none of the, I like it to be Troy Taylor But if we're just basing it off of results, Troy Taylor hasn't gotten himself an opportunity to be back in the Mariners bullpen
24:08 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope Troy's next few outings in spring training go smoother and are a little sharper because upside-wise he probably offers you the most in terms of what one of those guys in the back end of that bullpen can do because we saw it at the end of 2024 and we saw what he did in the minor leagues.
24:25 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He was really good.
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But
24:27 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: injuries and lack of command really kind of had as your spiral a bit last year, but he looked better toward the end of the year if you go look at some of his outings into comment toward the end, and you know he's got good stuff.
24:37 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope Tri Taylor goes and gets one of those last spots, but I think Vargas is whether you like it or not.
24:45 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_00]: probably going to be enough bullpen again, and it's just feeling like more and more likely Chris Wall gets the spot as a long reliever.
24:52 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking to Gary Hill about it a little bit in spring training too, Mariners Bridecaster, and he seemed to be in the same boat that he thinks there's a decent shot that Chris Wall could get one of those spots.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing about spring training results.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and hopefully this is like final.
25:07 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Spring training results don't matter.
25:10 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_02]: unless you were not on the roster, in which case they absolutely do matter.
25:13 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But the Mariners have a non- like Brennan Davis, for example.
25:16 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little smarter.
25:17 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If Brennan Davis showed up to spring and sucked, then we wouldn't be talking about him.
25:22 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't be making, he wouldn't have a chance.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He might even not even make Tacoma's roster.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's crushing.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we're talking about him.
25:29 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why we're floating out the idea of him making the roster.
25:32 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:32 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But a guy like Castillo, like, then that doesn't really matter.
25:38 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the last thing Luis Castillo's thinking about after giving up five or six runs in a spring training start is his roster spot.
25:45 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
25:46 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis also $24 million, so that certainly helps, which is exactly why I'm saying what I'm saying.
25:51 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the last thing he's thinking about is his roster spot.
25:55 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want me to try and pinpoint it right now, if you want to final answer, I'm going to say the last three bullpen spots go to...
26:01 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris well to Vargas and I'll say that Troy Taylor goes and grabs the last spot at least to start opening day.
26:10 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that.
26:10 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't dispute any of that mostly because I'm just going to be transparent.
26:14 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the other options quite as well and none of them have really stuck out a lot.
26:20 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like has there been a single Mariners reliever, roster or non-Roster in spring training.
26:27 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Who, like, wowed, like, been like that, the headline story.
26:32 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I can only think of one, and it's not, it's not because he's been pitching, it's because Andre Spuniel's through a bullpen to Adam Jude.
26:41 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
26:42 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you could throw that Zunika guy in there.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's an absolute monster of a human being.
26:46 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's going to be good, but he's just massive.
26:49 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the problem is that it's nothing to do with him actually throwing a baseball, which is the most important thing at this point.
26:56 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: If someone can find me, a Mariners' reliever who's had a good storyline this spring, I'd be curious to see.
27:02 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The rest of it has mostly just been, yeah.
27:06 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say, he's not gonna get it out of spring training, but I know he's one of our guys and one of the prospects that we really like on this podcast and we've got to know a little bit, but I would love to see Tyler Clay, Lynne got his chance at some point this year out of the bullpen, because objectively, he was awesome last year in the minors.
27:22 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: As he already started with a one, he throws at a really unique, almost Chad Bradford like Angle, if you've seen the movie Moneyball, he is pretty deceptive and he gives you a much different look than most bullpen arms will give you.
27:35 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think at some point this year he's got a chance to get up, but he probably is going to have to go back to Arkansas for a little bit and prove he can miss a few more bats at that level before he gets a chance.
27:46 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He was really good and he missed bats in low-A and he missed them in high-A, but in his shorter sample in AA last year and it was only about 18 appearances.
27:54 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't strike a ton of guys out, so I'm guessing if you're the Mariners and you're looking for certain trends with certain players, they probably want to see him strike a few more guys out before he gets his big league shot.
28:04 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And the reason you want that is because just to lay the numbers out there, Tyler struck out 31% of matters in Everett earlier in the season, then went to Arkansas and struck out 16%.
28:16 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So if it's 16% in Arkansas, what would that number be at the Big League level?
28:21 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Translation not high enough at this moment.
28:24 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But he goes back and strikes out 30% of guys in Arkansas, maybe he could be league average at the Big League level and that would help him out a lot.
28:31 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Tom, shout out our guy, shout out Tyler Cleveland.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shout them out.
28:35 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question comes from Tanner on Patreon.
28:38 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Tanner's question is, with the season coming up, we rank the AL West and what do we think the Mariners record will be?
28:47 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So is this rank the AL West in terms of how we think the division shakes up or is this rank it among the other divisions in baseball?
28:55 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just ranking the AL West.
28:58 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
28:58 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The five teams.
29:01 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I will definitely fit that.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, same.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to say the Mariners win it.
29:07 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can do the top and the bottom of the division first.
29:11 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll say, I'm going to put the Rangers at four.
29:17 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't buy them.
29:18 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the two old two old two inconsistent.
29:22 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what about their team really, really jumps out aside from potentially the starting pitching if everybody's healthy.
29:29 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'd say the standout is Cory Seagre of course, but he's expensive and aging and injury prone.
29:36 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then you have a nearly 40 year old Jacob de Grom and how old is native all the East?
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's out there, too.
29:44 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll look it up, but he's getting old.
29:46 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's a really good pitcher, but he's getting old.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting old.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't add a ton this off.
29:50 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they did the they swapped Simeon for Nemo, which is actually probably in their case a decent move.
29:57 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They needed outfielders and Nemo's younger than Simeon is shuffled some money around, but I mean, it's it's just not enough.
30:05 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's because some of the other factors their ballpark was impossible to hit in last year, which is not going to help their offense, which I think lacks star power.
30:15 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So, of all these 36, he's getting up there.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So, DeGrom and of all the have had injuries.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You have McKenzie Gore, so that does help.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's still questions with lighter and rocker.
30:27 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: First, hi, as you drafted those guys, there's still a lot of meat on the bone there and still a lot for those guys to prove.
30:33 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you look at all that and you look at their lineup and I just think they're gonna be a 75-ish wind team.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think they're that good.
30:43 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So then where would you put the Astros?
30:47 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably still a two, and then I go A3.
30:50 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like the A's, man.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
30:52 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you're not supposed to say that in terms of division rivals, but,
30:58 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_00]: One, they have a really exciting offense with a lot of really fun players.
31:02 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really good group of guys.
31:03 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody wherever get the chance to talk to the core of that team, it is genuinely a lot of very, very likable dudes.
31:11 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't like when they torch you offensively, which I get, but Jacob Wilson, Kurtz, Wright Rucker,
31:18 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: soda strong like it is at Lawrence Butler it's a really really good group of guys and we've just met a bunch of A's fans too that have been just so tortured and so hurt and there's such diehard fans and there's such nice people that I don't know There's I guess we have one friend who's an A's fan who we can't stand from college, but aside from him Everybody's still an A's fan.
31:38 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he a fan anything who knows
31:42 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a side from him, we've just met so many of these unbelievable Ace fans, some of them that road trip everywhere.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I just kind of have a soft spot for the Ace a little bit these days.
31:52 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I genuinely think that offense is really good.
31:54 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They just can't pitch, so I'm going to put them at three in the afternoon as a two.
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So what I'm taking from there, I mean, I've viewed the Astros as a 500 team.
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They're pitching's really good, they're offense.
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really buy very inconsistent.
32:07 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So I put them in around 500, the A's at like 79 wins and the Rangers at 75 wins.
32:15 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the Angels,
32:17 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Arty Morano said winning's not a priority, so they could, you know, win 60 games.
32:22 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not just, not Juddin, eh, not just not a priority.
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an artifact.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I probably don't mind.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but the Angels fans said that while.
32:30 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, right.
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The fans said it, not Arty Morano.
32:33 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They found the survey yet.
32:37 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting.
32:38 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So if we didn't say it when they're on the podcast, because I've, Lyle did find out live on the podcast.
32:43 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Arty Morano said that.
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was gold.
32:47 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Beatwriters have since tried to find that fan survey that Arty Morano claims they sent out where Angel's fans didn't rank winning within their top five priorities.
32:59 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't think it's been found.
33:02 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that piece of paper that Carlos from the Bench Warmers pulls out that says I am 12.
33:08 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's essentially what Arty Morano's survey looked like that he's claiming
33:15 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know who did like that survey as the MLB players association.
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They very much love that survey.
33:20 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a chance the A's could finish over 500?
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_02]: 83 wins over 500.
33:29 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think the Mariners are gonna win.
33:31 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's call it 92 to 93 games.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The Astros win 84 to 85.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite think they're right at 500.
33:38 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll win 84 to 85.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be in it for a bit.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The A's will win about 82 to 83.
33:44 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers will be a little under 500.
33:46 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the Angels will just be bad.
33:50 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with that.
33:51 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think the A's could finish about 500.
33:53 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know how they're gonna prevent enough runs to do anything more.
33:57 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
33:58 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They had a blue chip like they're both in, for example.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know they're both in like the back of my hand.
34:03 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They had one blue chip reliever last year and they traded them.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They smell her, right?
34:09 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So who's making sure they hold a lead?
34:12 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And oh, by the way, their ballpark does them exactly zero favors when it comes to holding leads.
34:18 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: They get score a bunch, but other teams who score just as much.
34:21 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, so it's unfortunate for them.
34:24 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they'll probably, they honestly might be 500 unless they have this just wave of pitching come up or they need to open their their books to spend more money.
34:34 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're like, they don't have many top pitching prospects.
34:38 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no they don't they don't have that many top 100 prospects in general.
34:42 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they have Leo de Vries right their offense is gonna be great But but where's the pitching?
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't have a ton of pitching prospects.
34:51 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually hang on
34:54 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a ton of pitching prospects, but let me just first say about Davoris, he's still far away.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not coming up this year.
34:59 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's got two years at least left in the minors.
35:04 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He got to double a last year, but he was 19 and I don't think, well, actually.
35:09 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in a short stint in AA, wow, he had way better than I even imagined.
35:13 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a 910 OPS in 21 games in AA.
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said, he is still 19 years old.
35:19 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be up this year.
35:21 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, they have gauge jump, who is supposed to be a good pitching prospect, and is a good pitching prospect, but we'll see if he gets up this year either.
35:31 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And even if he does, he's going to be a rookie, and the ballpark really is not going to do him favors.
35:39 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Asians don't have that many solutions to fixing their rotation soon.
35:44 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: they drafted Jamie Arnold but same idea he's not going to be up this year and he's more of a if you remember our draft discussions he is he's not a sure thing he is an unproven model right not a not a standard model for sure people talked about the Chris sale comp with him but that is if every single thing goes perfectly there are a lot of hurdles that he's going to have to jump but there's only one Chris sale right which is which makes it really
36:14 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, that's gonna be tough and when they're pitching free agents on coming to their ballpark, good luck.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Free agent pictures would be like, no, no, I don't think, I don't think I want to pitch there.
36:26 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Or, and, and, and, and, unfortunately for them, it's gonna get worse when they go to Vegas.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: This takes Sacramento, take the dry air, and then add elevation.
36:36 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And less you grossly overpay like they did for Luis Severino in some ways, and he's signed, but,
36:42 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: hasn't worked out all that great.
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The A's overpaying doesn't have much.
36:47 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a biggest contract they've ever given out to several.
36:49 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:50 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
36:51 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, maybe the Vegas move will bring influx of cash.
36:55 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see him.
36:56 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So there you go, Corey, and Tanner, there's some non-mariner specific talk for you.
37:02 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: As part of my take would say, some national sports podcast talk.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what was in my mind.
37:07 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of my take's National Sports Podcast talk, which shout out to them by the way.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Ten years, I guess, just a quick little side note.
37:13 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: At least for me, those guys have some pretty massive inspiration for me wanting to do podcasting and content.
37:19 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I love those guys to death, and I know TJ does too, so to see them go for 10 years, I was cool.
37:24 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And they got Mike McDonald on their 10th year anniversary episode, and Mike was great.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was fantastic.
37:31 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question on the Mailbag comes from Dylan on Patreon, Dylan's question is, any thoughts, prediction, slash predictions for the World Baseball Classic.
37:40 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We previewed it very, very slightly in one of our social posts this past week, but my prediction is the Dominican Republic's gonna win it all.
37:52 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with the U.S. because I think the U.S. is like top-end pitching is better.
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Those two rosters are really close.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_02]: really close.
38:00 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little hard to predict Japan, to be honest, because Japan forgot, for people who are more familiar with MPB, maybe not so much, but for me, like I don't watch a ton of MPB, that makes up a majority of Japan's team.
38:15 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So like the Dominican and the U.S.
38:17 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_02]: They're entire team plays in, um, plays in Major League Baseball, which by the way, allow a learn to fun fact today with team Dominican Republic.
38:28 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We were doing a bullpen better thing, naming, oh, we were naming juniors.
38:32 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know who's on the Dominican Republic team?
38:34 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?
38:35 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Junior Lake.
38:37 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_02]: How about that?
38:38 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just love that today.
38:41 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was really funny.
38:42 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The two rosters match up almost identically, but I do think the US has slightly better top end pitching, especially in their bullpen, so I'd kind of lean them.
38:52 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say about Japan.
38:54 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There's now so many of those guys that have come state side that you recognize a lot of the names now between when you just go through it.
39:02 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Roki Sasaki's not pitching in the WBC, but aside from him, you've got Yamamoto, you say Kukuchi, you go to the position players, and you've got Okamoto, you've got Murakami, you've got Seiya Suzuki, you've got obviously Showa, you don't even need me to say him, Masataki Yoshida, how does that fare against the Dominican lineup?
39:22 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, probably it doesn't.
39:24 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But everything combined with Japan or everything combined with the US to go up against the DR'll be the big question because the DR's lineup has to be the best one in this tournament.
39:34 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So but but they don't have ridiculous starting pitching depth.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Steve Sandy, right?
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:43 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: but they don't have a ton, it in general.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy to just look at that lineup when you go through it.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just say the names.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just an all-star team.
39:53 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That is an all-star team of all-star teams.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's taught teeth.
39:58 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's could tell Marte, it's Vladdy, it's Soto, it's Julio, it's Perdomo, Perdomo.
40:05 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Machado, Jeremy Paynea, Vladdy, I said Vladdy, but yeah, I'm Mani, Jeremy Paynea, it's ridiculous.
40:13 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I forgot junior cam and arrow.
40:15 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that line up a joke.
40:20 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe Austin Wells is on this team.
40:24 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Somehow it checks out, I guess.
40:26 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but in terms of also by the way, did you notice this?
40:28 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: No, winner or not, those on team Puerto Rico, right?
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but in the past played for the US last time.
40:34 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going to say it's played for Team USA.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How is that allowed?
40:38 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, the WBC seems to have some rules on these things that are a lot looser than say the world cup.
40:44 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like as soon as you suit up for one country, that's it.
40:49 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It should be that way, but I don't know, man.
40:51 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They let some things go away.
40:53 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a dual citizen, well, I guess Puerto Rico that wouldn't work because Puerto Rico's part of the United States, but... That's what it means.
41:01 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say.
41:03 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to slight the DR starting pitching that much.
41:07 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have the depth that say the US has, but you get out of pool play, you're going to have Christopher Sanchez and Sandy all contra pitching, you know, those are legit legit arms.
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a Si Young winner and a damn near Si Young winner.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So who is going to pitch in pool play though?
41:24 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So they have the problem with the WBC is you have one bad game and that screws up your whole tournament.
41:29 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: it can you can usually get out of pool play with one loss but it can they'll a brion Bayo to who's a solid restarter let's call him so you know they don't have push over starting they'll bail they'll have Sanchez and and
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Sandy and then they do have some real dudes coming out of the bullpen.
41:47 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're other starter will be Severino.
41:49 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, it's not the U.S. is pitching.
41:51 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not Japan's pitching, but you get out of pool play.
41:55 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And you essentially have got to win one quarter final game.
41:59 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the DR before you can bridge it to Christopher Sanchez and Sandy Alcantra, I don't hate their odds.
42:05 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Did they announce those two are starting those games?
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but you'd have to assume they're going to set them up that way.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So the US though already projected out their starting.
42:15 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think, well, it helps that the US as starters are load managing in the smartly, load managing in the tournament.
42:22 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're gonna have like, no one McLean starting the final.
42:25 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think as Logan Webb is gonna start, the semis of our member that right?
42:29 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's the semis is gonna be Paul schemes that they get there.
42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, so then Logan Webb's gonna start the quarter finals then.
42:35 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah.
42:35 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So those are the three when they get out of pool play.
42:38 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the DR, they do have pitching.
42:42 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Sanchez, Sandy, Bayo, Severino.
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You can work with that.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there are both ends pretty sharp.
42:49 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a lot of big league arms in that bullpen.
42:51 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to just look through, you've got Abner Yoree Bay, who I'm sure is going to be pitching toward the back end of that pen.
42:57 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with Camilo D'Oval, same with Carlos Estevez, you look at those three.
43:01 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got,
43:03 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Punch it different guys you've got Dennis Santana you've got so Anthony Dominguez you've got Brasabon there's Gregory Soto they're bullpenking pitch is the world ready for Harry Ford to take Terkscubly yard that would be so hilarious that would honestly be hilarious If Terkscubly gives up a single hit in his start I mean yeah are you ready to proclaim the Mariners lost the trade if that happens
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm kidding.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that would be that would be good.
43:39 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be good.
43:40 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: My text of the DR is going to win it all.
43:41 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yours is the US.
43:43 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Is the US?
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say it's one of those two.
43:46 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Japan wouldn't surprise me.
43:47 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Those have been the three that have won the WBC.
43:50 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Japan's one three, the DR's one one, the US is one one.
43:55 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: not like we're ripping off a hot take.
43:56 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait for the year that we get an upset winter.
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a Venezuela.
44:01 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well Venezuela has a lot of MLB players, but their roster is not usually as deep as the U.S. or as the Dominican or as Japan, or maybe we'll get a year where, remember the Netherlands made the, they made the the semi's one year.
44:15 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the Netherlands has legit players.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Zander Bogart will play for those guys.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got some other big leaders that'll factor in there.
44:24 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Jorangelo's not going to pitch for the Netherlands.
44:27 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He said before he got traded.
44:29 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't going to the WBC, but the Netherlands has guys.
44:33 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's the dude who's hitting those long home runs in 2017?
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it bound team?
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for the Netherlands?
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a mariner, remember?
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:43 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Vladimir Balantine, I think as we still stand, I think, and somebody can fact check me on this, he still holds the record over in Japan when he went to go play an MPB for most home runs in a single season over there.
44:57 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that sounds very mariner like, I'll leave, letting records in other leaks.
45:03 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: In leaks, not the big leaks.
45:06 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they're very bonds in AAA.
45:09 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm sure it was very nice to do.
45:12 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Stefan Romero, I'll sort of remember, was dynamite across the pond.
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
45:17 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Not so much with the amps.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a good question, Dylan.
45:20 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
45:21 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Zander has a question on Patreon.
45:24 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, Emma will be the show is on the horizon, one of the confirmed returning legends to the game is King Felix.
45:31 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Which legend would you guys bring back for Emma will be the show?
45:35 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Felix is a really good one.
45:38 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so cliché, but who doesn't want to just play with Junior in the show?
45:46 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I had a little bit more of a niche one because given the other players at this position, it would give you an advantage.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_02]: How about like 2001 Brett Boone?
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, that's a good one.
45:56 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Like MVP Boone, he's standing all of how tall is Boone.
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Five, ten.
46:01 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
46:01 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I've nine.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:03 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Ish.
46:04 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like this smaller, stature dude standing at the plate and he's hitting them more berry bonds at some.
46:10 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be pretty cool.
46:11 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds pretty fun to me.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:15 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, you want to bring back 2016 Nelson Cruz.
46:18 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be pretty fun.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be fun.
46:20 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well 2015 was his best season.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No, or is it 2016?
46:23 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of those two years sure.
46:25 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Pick whichever.
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take whichever.
46:27 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe 2014 Robinson Kenno.
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be fun.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no.
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're taking a Kenno year, that's got to be 16.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That was his video.
46:34 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah
46:35 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he had for the high average in 14, but yeah, the power was 16.
46:39 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Robbie only hit 15 homers in 20.
46:42 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It was 14 homers that year.
46:44 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: 14.
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Now to be fair, again, he had a 142 OPS class.
46:47 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He was still really good, but he wasn't leaving the park a time.
46:51 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2016, oh, interesting.
46:55 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: By OPS Plus, he was at 138, so 4% lower than 14, but he hit the 39 homers that year.
47:02 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And his OPS, while his OPS Plus was lower, his actual OPS was 50 points higher.
47:08 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the worst mariner you want to play with?
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like who's the worst guy you could pick out, possible?
47:14 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pick one.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Pick a Sean Figgins, your man.
47:21 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_02]: What about like, uh, since we brought them up on a trivia recently, how about, uh, uniesky battencourt?
47:27 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could find some low war years and low the show ratings with uni.
47:31 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely for sure with uniesky battencourt.
47:35 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm looking.
47:35 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait.
47:35 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an obvious one, dog.
47:38 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_02]: What's up?
47:39 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The, uh, the number two hitter for Team Canada.
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that should have been your answer right off the bat, eight.
47:46 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
47:48 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I'm looking at these Sean Figgins numbers again.
47:51 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2011, despite him signing what was at the time, a really big contract.
47:58 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy had a 40 OPS Plus.
48:02 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: 40.
48:05 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if that didn't embody the 2010 Mariners, then, well, it makes more sense now knowing who ran the team,
48:15 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_02]: like it just clicks into place a whole lot more new in the processes and the characters in the clubhouse and they're probably lack of leadership, etc.
48:26 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It like it makes a lot more sense, but yeah back then it's time.
48:30 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Technically, that figure's year was 2011, but it's all the same thing.
48:35 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all the same thing.
48:36 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We have gotten to know some of these former mariners at this point, and just getting to hear some of the stories from them, about some of those teams growing up, I was like, wow, we were even more shielded as kids than we even realized.
48:48 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We knew growing up the team was bad.
48:50 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Getting to hear some of the stories from back then, it's like, this is the Rockies.
48:55 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Angels.
48:56 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how in the world did you function?
48:59 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you look at the 2026 Mariners, you're like, oh, it's not even nowhere close to this.
49:05 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't even on the horizon.
49:07 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_02]: This kind of culture.
49:08 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost not even the same franchise, the same organization.
49:11 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not.
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so night and day different.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: No wonder you have a playoff drought like that.
49:18 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_02]: There are reasons you go that long without making the playoffs.
49:21 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
49:22 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
49:23 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Lao.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's end this episode on a high note.
49:26 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This one's for you.
49:27 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Eric on Patreon asks, legit why is Carlos Vargas still on the roster?
49:35 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I was saving it, did you, did you guys listening watching, see the grand slam he gave up the other night?
49:44 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I did.
49:45 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you saw it.
49:47 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I use the words that you texted me or do you want to use something different?
49:51 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You can use them.
49:52 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What TJ texted me back when I sent him the highlight of the grand slam, which was basically a long ellipses that I sent him, just Basically a bunch of periods.
50:01 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: There's probably 20 to 25 of them in a row that I sent him and when I send that it basically just means what the fuck?
50:08 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And TJ sends back That looked like he served it in underhand I was actually kind of surprised it looked like he threw it like 92 down the middle.
50:18 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually like a lot harder, but it that's how it looked
50:22 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: like he was just serving it up on a platter when I saw that grand slam get hit the other night I know it's spring training and now we're contradicting so what we said earlier in the episode about with guys that are on the roster don't take spring training results all that seriously
50:37 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But knowing the Carlos Vargas train we all rode last year, when you start to see that, that is how the image of the war veteran and the meme you always see of him just looking out into the ether and all the flashbacks coming to him.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know the meme I'm talking about, right?
50:53 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
50:54 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:54 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I saw when I saw the Carlos Vargas grand slam.
50:58 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was that meme of the soldier just looking out into the world or the classic, ah shit, here we go again.
51:07 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think Carlos Marcus has the most security on planet Earth in the bullpen.
51:13 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if he ends up with a 5-ERA in May, late May, early June, it's not like the Mariners are married to him.
51:23 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He remember last year only made the roster essentially because they couldn't, they didn't want to cut him.
51:29 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They traded for him with the Gino trade and they wanted to see what they had.
51:34 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And he just want to be like, all right, we let this go, let's let's just try it.
51:38 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in fact, Dan wanted to see him so much that he just started driving him into the ground and running about there in every leverage situation you can cook up.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So if he pitches well, then yeah, I mean, he'll stay on the rest.
51:50 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing is, he throws a hundred with a lot of run.
51:53 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He just doesn't throw it in the right spots.
51:56 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he doesn't throw it right.
51:58 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He can't just cut him because his stuff isn't good.
52:01 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he has good stuff.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, we watched it last year.
52:05 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the truth about Carlos Vargas, right?
52:08 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He is probably an average major league reliever, and the Mariners are gonna have to find a couple arms better than him for the team to move on from him.
52:17 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't change the fact that he is just a roller coaster to watch.
52:21 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Homer's Hill give up and the walks and the inconsistency and the runs in him, it's maddening.
52:29 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I say this with no sourcing and no conviction, it is just my own guest watching body language during the games.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about this last year.
52:41 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Cal likes catching him.
52:43 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You watch Cal's body language when he's out there trying to block Carlos Vargas, dirt balls, and they're going every which way.
52:50 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal does not look like he's having a fun time out there and Vargas is on the mound.
52:54 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm the only person that's ever noticed that.
52:55 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing the answer is no, but you just kind of notice it.
53:01 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what would have been funnier than Adam Jude catching Andre's Munoz?
53:06 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been Adam Jude catching Carlos Vargas.
53:10 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you would have agreed to that.
53:13 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The bearer's would have had to drop the waiver twice as long.
53:16 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
53:17 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because look, Mooney throws hard, but he throws strikes.
53:22 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Vargas?
53:23 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, speaking of Ryan Davis earlier, remember a very vivid, uh, vivid experience from Spring Training 2025, where Vargas walks guys and Ryan Davis from the pressbox screams, throw a fucking strike.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't really embody.
53:41 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, we follow the rules when we're in there.
53:43 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But like the type of media we do, does it really embody the old school journalism type of feel.
53:50 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But the etiquette in press boxes for a long time for anybody who may not know this is you're supposed to be very, very impartial when you're in there.
54:00 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not supposed to cheer, you're not supposed to get mad.
54:02 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be a very neutral environment.
54:07 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you get Ryan Davis pissed off about how long a spring training game's taking, despite a press box being quiet and standard and run of the mill, all of a sudden during a random February spring training game, you'll hear him throw his pen down, get up and drop an F-bomb.
54:24 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're as established as him, you can get away with a lot more.
54:28 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And because, because guess, like who's going to talk to him?
54:31 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Mariners or Padre's PR, and then he's like,
54:35 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, every single person who works for the Mariners at this point knows Divish and knows how he is when he does what he does nobody tries to stop him because everybody just kind of shrugs.
54:48 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a Divish
54:53 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we can't wait to see it in the regular season.
54:55 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
54:56 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Carlos Vargas in the regular season.
55:00 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
55:00 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:01 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_00]: To actually answer the question and not just keep monologuing here.
55:04 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the reason he is still there is because the Mariners currently do not feel like they have three established relievers that could replace all of Carlos Vargas and others.
55:13 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why he's still in that bullpen.
55:15 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If they can find three guys, whether it be trade, whether it be prospects at some point, then they may have a replacement option.
55:22 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and as you listen to us monologuing earlier in the episode talking about the mariner's bullpen, we currently cannot name those three guys it's really you're really reaching and if you do end up replacing them there's a solid chance at this point the mariner's would just replace them with someone who people get just as frustrated watching so for the time being we're gonna watch Carlos Vargas out in the early uh
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_01]: nearly parts of 2026.
55:51 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:52 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:55 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So not to peel back the curtain too much because we haven't formalized everything yet, but I believe Lawner will be doing a sort of full-day event on opening day at the at the at the atox dental hall with some some fun fun things we have planned or still trying to still try to finalize some things on that.
56:13 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to give away too much.
56:14 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_02]: However,
56:16 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be absolute cinema.
56:18 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_02]: If Carlos Vargas blows the lead on opening day, and Lyle and I have to walk back to Occidental Hall to take a podcast.
56:27 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And Lyle, you could just hear him echoing throughout the hall.
56:31 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like people heard me echoing throughout Team Mobile Park after Game 1 against Tigers, we had somebody tell me, as we're walking through the concourse and we're probably at about the centerfield fountain,
56:43 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: People are at basically the knee house statue.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're picturing the concourse, the team will park.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: This is after game one.
56:49 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Word about the fountain in center field.
56:52 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are people at the Dave knee house statue out in Wright Center in a packed, sold out ballpark with people walking to the exits.
57:00 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Bunch of people all near each other saying, I could hear Lyle's voice from there after game one.
57:08 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I had multiple people say, I could hear your voice from there.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well,
57:12 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you, what do you want me to say?
57:14 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a great mood.
57:14 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They just lost.
57:15 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They threw George Curry a third time through against Kerry Carbinar.
57:19 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit it into oblivion.
57:20 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a great mood if anything.
57:21 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just spreading the word.
57:22 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So this will be that, but Lao might actually have a voice to yell.
57:30 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he blew out his voice in game one.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not quite by that point.
57:35 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was by the time we got home and either recorded that podcast or after that podcast was done.
57:41 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wow, I don't have much vocal cords left.
57:44 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
57:45 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't.
57:47 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my reaction to that home run was pretty tame of jeopardy, calm, cool, collected.
57:54 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You've gotten to show the video a couple of times.
57:56 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we have had people now coming up to me, say 2K, which we told people is the code word.
58:00 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see the video of me, legitimately losing my mind after Kerry Carpenter hit that home run.
58:05 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And what have we said about that video?
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to post it.
58:07 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It would probably do numbers if we did, but we're not going to post it.
58:10 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if you want to see it, we're not going to send it to people.
58:12 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to come say the code word 2K to us in person, and we'll show you in person.
58:15 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's the deal.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Officer Stone, table.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's minus we'll take it up.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Still, I'm taking it up.
58:20 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Glad people were remembered because we didn't bring that up after it happened.
58:23 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We brought up the event, not the fact we have the video of it.
58:26 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, and people remembered all off season.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very cool.
58:29 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_00]: People are starting to catch on to a lot of our slogan and a lot of our phrases.
58:33 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say in the last year or so that started to happen a lot.
58:35 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had people telling us, despite the team now having Brendan Donovan, that they want us to make.
58:40 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Brett, uh, name redacted podcast merch.
58:43 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, we can look into it.
58:45 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want to, honestly, people seem to like this whole name redacted thing.
58:49 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And people are still coming up to us and calling Donovan that even post trade.
58:52 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, listen, people like it.
58:54 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll stick with it.
58:54 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll call him name redacted throughout the year.
58:56 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
58:56 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We can, like, we can at least sprinkle it in.
58:59 --> 58:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
58:59 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be great.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We could look into stuff like that.
59:02 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And people have more ideas for us.
59:04 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_02]: We're an open book, email, DM, whatever.
59:07 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We're always available.
59:09 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:09 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get into more of our opening day plans as we get a little bit closer.
59:12 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like TJ said, I don't think we'll be at the hall on Oxidental all day.
59:16 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll essentially be splitting a lot of time back and forth throughout the day between there and the ballpark, because we will have stuff to do with the park that day.
59:22 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
59:23 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We're looking forward to opening day.
59:25 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We're definitely going to have the chance to hang out with a lot of fans.
59:27 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And as we wrap up this question, please Carlos Vargas just don't blow it on opening day.
59:33 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll probably blow a different game this year, but don't blow it on opening day.
59:39 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'll be good.
59:39 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even really say that to Seaches Lake because all relievers have some implosion at some point during the year.
59:44 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So at some point as Vargas going to have one, probably, probably, most likely, yes.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:51 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
59:52 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That is why he's on the roster to answer the question.
59:54 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They are going to have to find some relievers better than him and a couple of them if you want to replace him.
59:58 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that happens at some point this year, but it'll be a process throughout the season.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, good questions.
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