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01:19 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening March 12, wow have we missed anything else, nope, no talking about well, what am I talking about I could be talking about a number of things, I mean banners at an injury and camp officially this week one of their starters, we had a cryptic Instagram story.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunate isn't it.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:52 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Just how unfortunate.
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit.
01:54 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So Lala and I set our piece for the Randy Cal situation on Wednesday.
01:58 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we have that much more to say on it.
02:00 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there hasn't been that much more that's come out besides Randy's Instagram story.
02:05 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, like, if there is more news to it, we will talk about it.
02:09 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of like, what has happened, I think Lala and I will sort of leave that at Wednesday's episode.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:16 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: we're just not the right people to be diving in on all the nuances of it.
02:19 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just not.
02:20 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And the one little thing I'll say is on Tuesday, we were under the assumption that it was pretty definitive that everybody was on cal side.
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear that people are very split on this.
02:29 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And that just goes back to one of our core principles.
02:31 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll leave it at this.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't tell anybody how to be a fan.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And we say that constantly.
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody who has an opinion on this, you're totally in your right.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_02]: People aren't feeling differently about it.
02:43 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But with that, unless there's a legitimate fight that breaks out or something like that at some point, we're gonna leave this in the past and just let the water settle under the bridge.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I do believe that's gonna happen.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you go ahead, or go ahead.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was gonna say, just one last thing.
02:56 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Randy's going back to Mariners camp.
02:58 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna have to get back in the normal routine of talking to media and interacting with his teammates.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So things like this are just, it's just gonna have to get sorted out.
03:06 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, that's just how this is gonna roll.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want answers, you'll probably get them soon.
03:11 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think, and I think they well, and I think it'll all get settled with that.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There's other storylines to talk about, so let's just do that.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't love seeing this this week, Lyle.
03:20 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So Bryce Miller, he did his touch and feel bullpen earlier in the week.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe it was the weekend where he did, he threw it about 80 to 90 percent.
03:28 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then this week on Wednesday, he goes to his regular bullpen and he's ready to ramp up full speed.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But as he's warming up, he stops.
03:37 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: and he doesn't throw a single pitch at a hundred percent and he's essentially getting his progression dialed back.
03:44 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean in simplest terms?
03:46 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: While opening day is two weeks from when we're recording right now, I don't think Bryce Miller's going to be ramped up enough to be ready.
03:53 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't feel that way because
03:56 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: he would have to throw a couple bullpens and then throw a couple sessions with live at bats and they need to throw in a couple games there's just not enough time for that there just isn't it's unfortunate and just and how under said to be fair what happened with rice during his bullpens session is
04:12 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: a normal part of rehab that you'll have some minor setbacks here and there doesn't sound like it was major just sounds like they told Bryce Miller that if you feel anything during these bullpen sessions you got to tell us and you got to shut it down because we don't want this to get worse and the Bryce Miller's credit he did that so I don't think this is going to be something serious I don't think Bryce Miller's going to miss a ton of time but opening day yeah we may see a different fifth starter in the rotation my guess is that's going to be
04:42 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, multiple on that before we actually get to those mailback question though.
04:46 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just kind of want to talk about the price aspect of this before we talk about potential replacements.
04:52 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, I feel kind of bad for him.
04:54 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He has this unbelievable season in 2024 and since that moment, he's not really been healthy at all.
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think.
05:01 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess technically down the stretch last year was healthy, but in camp like now now he's had a nagging oblique issue.
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: for a good portion of it.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's because it's used to own harder, but who knows?
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, oblique is it's unique, it's unique thing.
05:19 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, this is not the type of muscle that doesn't linger.
05:25 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is an injury that can linger.
05:27 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No bleak all year.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at Sam Darnold, Lyle.
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Sam Darnold, for the C-Ox, got hurt.
05:33 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He hurt his no bleak in the by-week.
05:36 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And even though he played through it, the injury never went away.
05:40 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He was never healthy the whole time.
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And that might be something Bryce Miller just has to deal with.
05:44 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how that's going to affect his pitching.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, the Mariners will take it slow.
05:48 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they'll make sure he's fully ready to go before they put him back into game action.
05:53 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But...
05:54 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, with two weeks ahead of the start of the season, I just don't think it's enough time.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do feel for Bryce, because we know healthy price millers really, really good.
06:02 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But we haven't seen a lot of that in the last, now, year and a half.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate.
06:06 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope he gets back to it at some point this year.
06:09 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And he very well, Mike, if you remember, to start 2025, Brian Wu began the year, or no, 25?
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_02]: No, 24.
06:19 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Brian Wu started the year on the aisle.
06:22 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: and then when he got back after a few weeks.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually, that's not true.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Think it through.
06:28 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Say, was it me?
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he got back at like the end of April.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm remembering he had a bunch of nagging injuries throughout the year.
06:34 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But eventually, that summer, he got healthy.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He started throwing deep into games.
06:38 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when we got to know the Brian Woo that we know now.
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So at some point, Bryce Miller can absolutely get over this.
06:45 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And he can get back to being a really dominant pitcher.
06:48 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But he might miss a couple of weeks at the start of the year.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He might miss a couple of starts.
06:52 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But who knows how that impacts him?
06:55 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: All the manner of starters that got hurt last year when they came back from injury, they weren't their peak selves, right?
07:02 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Brian, who wasn't, I mean, in a more extreme circumstance, he was not.
07:07 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller kind of in a very small sample, George Kirby had his worst season of his career and so did Bryce, overall.
07:17 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Logan, Logan was still efficient enough, but it wasn't his 2024 year, it wasn't the mess version of Logan Gilbert that we've gotten to know.
07:27 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners don't want Bryce bouncing in and out of the starting rotation until August, if we're going to use the Brian Woke example, that, I mean, that's what happened in 24, he was bouncing in and out of the starting rotation for the first four months of the season, and then the final two months of the season is one of the best pictures of baseball.
07:43 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Bryce Miller would take that as a potential win, but also, you risk so many things with that.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, one of those injuries could just set you out for the year.
07:55 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Number two, what if Bryce Miller's hurt in the late July in Kate Anderson is dominating in AA?
08:03 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Kate Anderson is probably going to get his shot, isn't he?
08:06 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And Bryce probably doesn't want to hear that.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: For this year, no way.
08:12 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: makes next year interesting, too, because then what happens with Kirby is he the odd man out?
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they trade him to try to give value for him?
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What happens with Bryce?
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he the odd man out?
08:22 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Is Kate good enough to earn a spot in the rotation in 27?
08:25 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You just assume, but you don't know.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It is very interesting.
08:29 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That all being said, we're projecting way down the future with the way we're talking about this the second.
08:34 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Bryce Miller, for all we know, may just miss a couple starts and get back totally fine.
08:37 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a huge win.
08:43 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it handles the rigors of the season well, since it's nagging, that's what worries me a little bit.
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope it doesn't nag him too much.
08:51 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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09:25 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Starting off the mailbag, Michael on Patreon has a question and says, Re, Bryce Miller, and this injury, and I'm going to group these first two questions together by the way, so they're essentially the same.
09:36 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So from Michael and Zander, they ask about Bryce Miller's injury and who could potentially replace him.
09:42 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson Hancock or Cooper Chriswell, who do you think should replace him while and who do you want?
09:50 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_02]: actually think and want both Emerson Hancock.
09:53 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe part of that selfishly because he's our guy, but I also think that he has been the guy they've leaned on in this exact situation for a while now.
10:01 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They trust them.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They know we can do it.
10:04 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think when it's all said and done for the third year in a row, you are going to see Emerson Hancock break camp with the team because it happened in 24 when we was hurt, happened in 25 when Kirby was hurt, and now it seems like it has a chance to happen again in 26.
10:17 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I also, like, so the wrinkle here right is that Cooper Chris wall doesn't have any options and they may want to see what they have in Chris well.
10:26 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: The other side of that is if you make Chris well the third starter, then what do you do with Emerson?
10:35 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you put him in the bullpen, Emerson Hancock, I don't know how he could
10:41 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: go from building up as a starter than turning into reliever than going back to building up as a starter.
10:46 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's going to work because one way or another, I think they're going to need Emerson Hancock to start some games this year because with the injury to Logan Evans, they don't have as much depth, especially in the first half of the year.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think they need Emerson to start.
10:57 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question, is Dane Dunning in Tacoma as a starter?
11:02 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he is, then having Emerson in the bullpen as a reliever is a little more viable, because say you DFA Cooper Chris, while he's not performing, then you bring Dane Dunning up to pitch.
11:13 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And Emerson stays in the bullpen.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't think that's enough.
11:16 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You need more starters than that during the year, even with Dane and Chris Wall.
11:20 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_02]: If Chris Wall pitches badly and they DFA them, and then you bring up Dane Dunning.
11:24 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: what if then in that scenario there's another injury you can't move Emerson Hancock back into a starter's role but in that in that scenario maybe when you bring donning up Emerson Hancock goes back down to Tacoma and he stretches out.
11:38 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But you're going to go from stretching out and spring training to then a reliever then goes back to stretching out that's a lot especially when a guy that's had injuries.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Emerson, he do it.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he do it.
11:50 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I know he do it but it's still a lot on him.
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Emerson Hancock is going to end up starting.
11:58 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And either Chris will be the long reliever, or they take their chances by de-fang, hoping he clears waivers, and they just put them into coma.
12:08 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to make Chris well the starter.
12:10 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to play their cards pretty hard, because they're both both Chris won't Hancock or starting in the spring training rotation.
12:19 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris will is out performed him, but
12:25 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the best metric to use to determine this, right?
12:29 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But Emerson's option really does give them the flexibility, whether or not they want to, like, they'll put him in the bullpen to start.
12:35 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they could send him down if they want to bring someone else up to be in the bullpen while he gets stretched out.
12:41 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, if you have Chris well in the bullpen, there's less flexibility because you can't, the only way to take him out of the bullpen is to put him in the starting rotation without deaffering him.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:52 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Chris will's last two outings, again, he's gone three plus innings and he hasn't given up a run.
12:56 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like he hasn't pitched well.
12:59 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd also be curious to see what the last few outings between those two look like before spring training ends and it's time to break camp.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause the mayor's will have some tough decisions to make.
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Emerson is not thrown badly by any means.
13:10 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to look at Emerson's last three outings.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He went two and two third score list back on the 28th.
13:16 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: He went three innings of one run ball on March 6th.
13:20 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and then he went four innings of two run ball here on Thursday.
13:23 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, you know, he's been totally, totally solid.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of hard to read.
13:29 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They're the same type of starter at this point.
13:32 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson offers you a little more upside with his stuff, but Chris World was better last year.
13:38 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So what are the Mariners going to decide?
13:40 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It might really ultimately come down to Emerson's option.
13:43 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It could, or it also could come down to what they've like more in spring training, because we'll find out.
13:49 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be a situation though, I'm bummed for Bryce, because I want this spot to be Bryce, I want them to break camp with five guys.
13:57 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, it's unfortunate.
13:59 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't think it sounds all that serious, which is the good news, it doesn't sound like this is going to keep him out a really long time, unless he re aggravates it.
14:06 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But right now, it doesn't sound like it's going to be that long term.
14:12 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: next question and the mailbag comes from poochie del gato on patreon and the question is what are you hearing about mayor's pitchers experimenting with new pitches or changes to their pitchmitch pitchmix the spring training so what have we heard we know Logan Gilbert's messing around with a cutter again and I shouldn't say messing around he's he's really working on it and he talked to us about that if you haven't listened to our interview with Logan Gilbert by the way you should go listen he was awesome and that was a blast to sit out with them
14:40 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Additionally, we know Ryan Sloan's really working on that two-seamer, which is, look, very good in ballpens.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's, that's mostly been the gist of it, right?
14:50 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Those two, those are the big ones.
14:52 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're out of really the experimental phase of this mariner starting rotation and they're in the refinement phase.
14:59 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because they all came up in there on a somewhat similar timeline, this is not so much a camp of having a brand new pitch.
15:06 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the brand new pitches were like entering 2023 when Robbie Ray and George Kirby added splitters to their arsenals and then 2024 when Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller added splitters to their arsenals.
15:20 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, for the most part, the changes have been pretty subtle and it's been more about refining those pitches and executing them better with an game environment rather than wowing everybody with the new pitch.
15:33 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't think of a mariner starter who has entered this camp and been like, look at this shiny new toy I have to break out.
15:40 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Castillo, no Kirby, no Gilbert, his cutter is for when he's behind in the count and needs to throw strikes.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not a wow pitch by any means.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan would tell you the same thing.
15:53 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce, no, and then Brian Liu, there's maybe been the most consistent mariner starter in terms of his repertoire.
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna throw my fastball.
16:02 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember last year when he entered camp and, or maybe it was two years ago, he entered camp and it was like, yeah, I didn't change anything.
16:08 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, really?
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You got crushed against lefties last year, man.
16:12 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You sure you didn't need now pitch and, I don't use, he was right.
16:16 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he did not need to change anything, and he's been consistent with that.
16:19 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you just said All the other guys in that rotation loved to add pitches and Brian was like no, I'm good And then he just goes out and dominates.
16:27 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's a lot of fun But yeah, and see your question just trying to think about it more because we've been we've been really digging for mariners Storylines the spring training since everything seems so set One of the things we could always talk about was Mariners pitchers with new pitches and how good it looks
16:43 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't feel like that's much of a story at all like not at not to the general fan at least the pit the there might be little tiny things that they've tweaked Like pit shapes for certain pitches in terms of like adding new stuff.
16:56 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't see much not this spring Next question comes from Eric on Patreon.
17:01 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric's question is what is your favorite mariners and mariners farm team hat?
17:09 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I think for the farm team, I think it's the Aquasox, because it's the most unique of all the groups.
17:15 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the Rainiers.
17:17 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Rainiers logo is great.
17:20 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that it's bad, it's just plain.
17:24 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But the R is iconic.
17:26 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The R is pretty iconic in the Pacific Northwest.
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can do multiple colorways with it.
17:31 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The Aquasox logo, it has to be in the standard colors because that's how it's an Aquasox.
17:37 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_02]: but the rain years logo you can dress up anyway you want there's there I think there's a bunch of different varieties of that one personally that's my favorite one okay yeah i like the aqua socks one favorite mirrors you know i always love the one with the teal bill the navy blue hat and the teal bill they don't wear those as much anymore i don't think right i mean that's something they were like a rod played
18:05 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They wore more recent than that, but those were always my favorite.
18:08 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Navy blue cap, Tielbill, that mariners hat.
18:11 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they've, when was the last time they would have worn that?
18:15 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, no, they wore them in the 2014 Robinson Canow era.
18:19 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They definitely did.
18:19 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
18:21 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at some point, they have a war in them in a while, but it's been more recent than the 90s.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what Google images says.
18:29 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you could find a picture of Felix or Robinson Canow in that hat, I'm sure.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's yours while you're looking it up?
18:37 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your favorite hat?
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, currently it's a spring training one.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I've gotten so used to all the other ones.
18:43 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the newness of it.
18:45 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very unique.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of a kind.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like it.
18:49 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Your favorite, one of your favorite things of all time is the Mariners Powder Blue Spring Training uniforms.
18:55 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And now one of my favorite things of all time is the Mariners decorative spring training hat.
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great.
19:02 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the Mariners hats, they're kind of plain.
19:04 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If you've noticed by the way, if you guys watch on YouTube, like my hats, I buy less and less standard hats these days.
19:11 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like I know all the standard logos, kind of like something a little bit different like what I'm currently wearing the steel heads hat.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is about as plain as it gets.
19:19 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I like a little bit more texture, a little bit more variety now.
19:23 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe it's quote unquote cool, but I think it just needs to be like a little different.
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What about the Sunday hats?
19:30 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are good.
19:31 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Sunday hats are nice, but I don't have anything with like the standard Mariners logo on it.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Besides, like a jersey.
19:39 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Even so, even so, the main jersey I wear when I do wear Mariners jersey is a city connect.
19:45 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is not standard anyway.
19:48 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so.
19:48 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just trying to be cool and different.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: If you guys have favorite Mariners, minor league or major league hats, tell us in the comments.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what are your favorite?
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it one of the ones TJ and I said, is it something different?
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We'd love to hear.
20:01 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon, Alex, Alex's question is, close friends can sometimes have beef over a long friendship.
20:08 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys ever had a minor or major argument if so?
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What was it about?
20:13 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: How long did it take for you guys to make up and hug it out?
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what this isn't reference to.
20:18 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but not something we're bringing up.
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is actually a good question.
20:23 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like these type of questions, because like we always say, we've tried to do our best.
20:29 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of our guess resolutions here in 2020, so X is tough.
20:32 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: talk more about us and let you guys know a little bit more about us and get to feel like feel like you know us better as time goes on with this podcast.
20:40 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: To answer Alex's question, I don't think we've ever had a genuine fight.
20:45 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Something where we're not on speaking terms for a long period of time.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't think of anything, can you?
20:50 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a fight, no.
20:53 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you?
20:55 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we run a business together.
20:57 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We spend
20:58 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of times you got I spend more time with Lyle than I do with my girlfriend.
21:03 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could imagine like the We like we have a lot of time together and we have known each other for over over 10 years.
21:09 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll almost 10 years now So it is due to come up at some point.
21:14 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We will disagree on something and You know what I always joke Lyle.
21:19 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know if you agree.
21:20 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We argue like an old married couple
21:23 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably right, but you're the one who brought up the reference, so explain what you mean by that.
21:28 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it's just like old married couples argue all the time, but they're like, they've been together for so long, like you understand, you can be 100% honest with someone and yell at them.
21:38 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, they're not going to hate you.
21:40 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, if someone you just met and you yell at them and you tell them they suck, then they're probably going to hate you.
21:46 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, that's just like the point of law and I is relationship or at where yeah, we can have our arguments, but there will always be arguments when you run a business together and your business partners and your close friends and there's all these life events we have to handle together and you know, sometimes it sometimes we just feel the need to sometimes we just argue.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we've said this in the past.
22:09 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_02]: If we agreed on everything, I don't think that's a good thing.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Not for the podcast, not for running a business, anything.
22:14 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not good.
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We should see things differently.
22:17 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And it leads to each of each other, seeing each other's perspective, which leads to what I think is progressing further, which is great.
22:24 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll argue at times.
22:25 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess if you want specific examples, and these are, again, this is stupid shit.
22:30 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: This is nothing serious.
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But,
22:33 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes, if we're in a setting that involves a lot of social overload, whether it's all star week or the winter meetings or somewhere like that, and TJ has gone a long time without eating, there's there gets to be certain points in the day where we're getting angry.
22:46 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I was saying, we start to we're trying to do a lot of things and I'll bring up things to him and maybe I'll press him about it a little bit and then he'll at some point he'll just snap and he'll get mad about something.
22:57 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what are you snapping on me for and then he's like, all right, my bad.
23:01 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, at the end of the day, it'll always like it will always come around.
23:06 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to us being fine.
23:08 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not perfect either.
23:09 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no doubt there's things I'd either done or do that get on TJ's nerves, but that's just
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: that's normal.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We've never had a legit fight where we're not on speaking terms.
23:22 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And as far as I'm concerned, I don't plan to have one.
23:25 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and for given like our business and how much it's grown in some of the decisions we have to make, like sometimes we have to make big decisions together and that requires lots of conversation and lots of tough, honest conversation with each other.
23:40 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: to handle it and get through it but at the end of the day here we are like 376 episodes in and looking forward to 376 more or even more than that so yeah hopefully a lot more than that hopefully a lot more than 376 but yeah like that's a good question there really is and I actually really enjoy answering that one
24:00 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from our friend Jake from Raise the Trident on Twitter.
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a fantastic question.
24:06 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Jake, you crushed this.
24:07 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a male bag question right here.
24:11 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Jake asks, if you could choose one player from the Czech Republic, WBC team to be on the Mariners 26 man roster this season with the caveat that they must start and play all nine innings of the 162 game season.
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you choosing?
24:31 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, can we pick a reliever and put him at the back end of the bullpen?
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can.
24:38 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually have a semi-good option.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down, too.
24:44 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The first one, the first one is the electrician, the guy on the guy who was in the starting rotation, who threw four and two-thirds shutouts.
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Andre Satoria.
24:57 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He faced Japan and shot them out for four or two thirds.
25:02 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: His fastball, by the way, average is 78 miles an hour.
25:06 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't matter because he was able to shut out that Japan line up and he struck out three guys.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was my first option.
25:12 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I think I mentioned this.
25:14 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an electrician.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's this full-time job.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that works out.
25:19 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But they also have like a couple of
25:23 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: at least college players on the roster, they have a kid who goes to Chippola in Florida with throws mid-90s.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Michael Kavola.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He throws mid-90s with a splitter.
25:36 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I were to, if I were to honestly choose one, it would probably be Kavola because he actually has stuff that if refined could appear in a major league bullpen?
25:47 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: the guy I was going to throw out was Terran Vavra who's actually played in the big leagues and he was really good at Minnesota and again it's actually gotten to the show.
25:57 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem with picking a guy that's been in the big leagues is when you pick that guy and he hasn't been a very good big leagueer.
26:04 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_02]: because Jake poses the question in a way that says he has to play every day.
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You're taking it back to away from somebody else in the Mariners lineup.
26:11 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you were to play Terran Vabra every day, that probably means he's playing second base and it probably means Cole Young ain't playing.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want Cole Young to play.
26:20 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So the easier solution here is I think to pick a reliever and just put him at the back end of the bullpen.
26:25 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Not the back end like the Munoz roll, he's the eighth reliever.
26:28 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to the Czech Republic to just looking at their roster.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't build through loopholes.
26:34 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no major legal who is born in Iowa, who has, who has descend of the Czech Republic.
26:41 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, they're all, they're all born there.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Every single one of them, I think that's great.
26:46 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The, like, the counter.
26:49 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Except for Vabra.
26:51 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, okay.
26:52 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So except for there's where we're seaborn is ain't born in Canada.
26:55 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of Canadian born guys there.
26:57 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I it looks like he was just born in Wisconsin.
27:00 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
27:00 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a couple born in Canada, but most of them were born in the Czech Republic as opposed to team Italy, while which was essentially all born in the United States.
27:08 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: not to trash on them, just pointing out the the fact of that.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's pretty cool.
27:13 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they do have a couple of actual pictures on the roster who throw in the 90s.
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So I probably, I probably picked that.
27:19 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So congratulations to Michael Kavola.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a Seattle mayor.
27:24 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And shout out to Jake for the question.
27:26 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
27:28 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:28 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good one.
27:29 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Jazzy on Instagram, and her question is, DJ, are you enjoying a Toro having such a good WBC?
27:41 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So am I, uh, no, not really.
27:47 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: His team did advance, they won pool A, right, and pool whatever pool they were in.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't at a one.
27:53 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Ab Toro's gonna get to face off in the quarter finals coming up here soon, which is great.
27:58 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know he's right behind Fernando's Hottie's Junior in OPS, this WBC.
28:07 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna channel our friend Adam Ray here and put my inner doctor Phil Faison and ask you, how does that make you feel?
28:17 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Conflicted.
28:18 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Conflicted.
28:19 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I should be happy for Team Canada.
28:23 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: to advance this foreign when they're pool.
28:25 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, I mean, it's Abe Toro.
28:29 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So don't end their plan to end their plan to U.S.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing I'm battling with.
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: For what did they play tomorrow?
28:36 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they play tomorrow.
28:37 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a five o'clock start.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing I'm battling with.
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: On one hand,
28:45 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I should be rooting for the U.S., country where we're born in, and rooting against abtore, who I've labeled on this podcast as the worst baseball player I've ever seen in my life.
28:57 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: On the other side, it would be kind of funny if the U.S. lost a Canada.
29:02 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So in this calendar year, we would get the Americans beating the Canadians in the Canadian sport of hockey, and the Canadians beating the Americans in the American sport of baseball.
29:15 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But how would it make you feel if Abe Toro hits a late inning home run as the deal breaker?
29:23 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be tough, but again, I also think it would be kind of funny if Team USA lost.
29:28 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't bullshit people, you're going to be furious if Abe hits a home run late.
29:32 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But I still think that's, I, I, dead serious, I think it would be funny if Team USA lost.
29:37 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Just with all the storylines, they've dug themselves into over pool play, the fact that Mark Doros had had no idea that they hadn't clinched yet.
29:47 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And now has, is now is calling all the press liars for calling them out on, on, on being wrong essentially.
29:53 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Did, oh, I never said that.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, ah!
29:55 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on video, buddy.
29:57 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it would actually, I would think it would be kind of funny if the U.S. lost.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude.
30:01 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, the U.S. is roster management is the most unsurious thing I've ever seen in my life.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys, they're just like, I'm done.
30:08 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm going back to camp after the, pull play, like, what?
30:11 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine that in the world cup?
30:14 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going back to my team.
30:16 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We've made it, made it to the, in the knockout stage.
30:19 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
30:20 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think usually most soccer across the world
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, are they playing regular season games right now?
30:28 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you still left and work out and throw when you're with your national team?
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You can.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.
30:37 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What did Sandy Alcantra say for a team DR, by the way?
30:40 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone who's dealt with a lot of injury issues and has not really been himself since 2022, but had made a start and did he decide to go back to Marlon's camp?
30:57 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe, but, I mean, the point is, he's like, no, I'm going to do whatever, I'll start or I'll
31:18 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There are certain stories from Wednesday's podcast that we're not gonna bring up again on this episode, like we talked about.
31:23 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you wanna rehash something from Wednesday's podcast, I have happy to rehash Mark Dorosa.
31:28 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Good, Lord Buddy.
31:30 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, the fact that he is now calling the press liars, like you said, the fact he's tried to totally spend on this absolutely insane thing that he said on MLB network the other day about for his narrative, people were spending full narratives about what we're seeing.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you said them.
31:46 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's on video, dude!
31:48 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody can see it.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's on video.
31:51 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the line that he used that isn't getting talked about enough, because everybody's talking about the head he did on MLB network, where he thought they'd already advance.
32:00 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: the night before in his press conference, he's talking about how he's love celebrating with the guys and how fun this team's been and he said as a result of beating Mexico when they did, he said, yeah, a lot of guys were dragging the next day because he talked about there in the clubhouse drinking and celebrating till like one o'clock in the morning.
32:21 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, dude, so that is literally telling on yourself.
32:26 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You thought that that next game in pool play against Italy didn't matter, because you're letting these guys drink and celebrate thinking you've just clinched your spot, and you have not, I mean, he, he has really done himself in.
32:40 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we need to go back to the first male bad question we got, because we got asked another question from Michael on Patreon, and I didn't answer from you.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Wilson or Mark Dorosa.
32:54 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I've already opted out of one conversation on this pod.
32:57 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm just going to opt out of another really.
33:00 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I think I would take down because he actually has a year's worth of managerial experience.
33:07 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true, although if you want to go down this route, teach, we were talking about it when we weren't recording.
33:15 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: There are some similarities between Mark Dorosa and Dan Wilson about a TV analyst with no prior managerial experience that gets hired for a really competitive team over a lot of experience managers that makes them really questionable decisions like there is some apples that can barrier.
33:34 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Dan Wilson made some questionable decisions, but I mean, Mark Dorosa started Paul Goldschmitt in a very important pool play game and warmed up Clayton Kershaw instead of Mason Miller.
33:51 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's true.
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Meaning to win a game, that's true.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
33:56 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I would take, I would definitely take the whole Mariners regime over the Team USA regime.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who's making final decisions on this roster.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there is a GM for Team USA.
34:07 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, like, earning Clement, supposed to be an awesome dude.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to take anything away from him.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He had an incredible, incredible postseason last year.
34:15 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But look me in the eyes and say that trade Turner should have been left off the roster for earning Clement.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
34:23 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Look me in the eyes and say, either Peter Lanzo or Kurtz should have been left off the roster for 39-year-old Paul Goldsmith.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
34:35 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Clayton Kershaw's on the roster.
34:37 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a little, if Dan's in the process of making a bad decision, there is more around him to help offset that bad decision to lean the idea in the decisions in the right direction.
34:53 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't seem like there's much communication going on.
34:56 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, did none of the players like, hey, hey, skip.
34:59 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually think we're still playing for something to that.
35:05 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how did not one player notice?
35:07 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Or Assistant Coach, you told me no one's online?
35:11 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes?
35:12 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, or just go on MLB.com and check the standings and check the scenarios.
35:18 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Or again, someone come a league official
35:23 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You're still in it, cause who runs this tournament, major league baseball.
35:31 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't be the manager of the next time around.
35:34 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see who ends up making out who even hires the manager for Team USA.
35:40 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's ridiculous.
35:42 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're at it.
35:43 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just read a couple of the hilarious Mark Terrosa tweets that have been online before we move to the next question?
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not kidding.
35:49 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I have stopped and gone out of my way to laugh at every Mark Terrosa tweet I've seen over the last 48 hours.
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's a couple that you, me and one of our other friends, we're setting back and forth.
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_02]: This one comes from Michael Cerammy.
36:01 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He says Mark DeRoy, Mark DeRoy says reportedly thrilled.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: The T-B-USA is officially won the WBC.
36:10 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's number one.
36:12 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also apparently reported that Eric Osmer is going to be a new MLB network analyst starting this year and he's going to be on the network a lot.
36:19 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a quote tweet that said, why did a job just open up?
36:24 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:26 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another that says, Oh, what's the third one?
36:30 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.
36:31 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The third one comes from Astros Nour, and it says, Breaking.
36:34 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Team USA manager Mark Terrosa's reportedly on vacation already in Cancun, because he thought his team was eliminated.
36:40 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, these have been hilarious.
36:46 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's made it.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The league and Dorosa himself have made this very easy to make fun of.
36:51 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, first they delete the video, then Dorosa is like, oh, then he doesn't even properly, properly reflect on the moment.
36:59 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I missedpoke, he's like, no, you're wrong.
37:03 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: you didn't understand the situation and now he's claiming that the media spending false narratives about him and his team when these are all things by the way he said he said they had their ticket punch he said they were partying false narratives I'll take the in Wilson thank you you know what the in Wilson wouldn't do I'll give this he wouldn't say something stupid that makes everyone that
37:33 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Backs himself into a corner.
37:35 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he doesn't say anything.
37:36 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, he would not correct.
37:38 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:38 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
37:39 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.
37:40 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take Dan.
37:41 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Last question comes from Luke on Instagram.
37:44 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke's question is if you were to go back and relive one moment in Mariners history, what would it be?
37:50 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So do we have to be alive for this or can it be any of them?
37:53 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say alive because that's more fun.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it needs to be like a waking memory of yours too.
38:00 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't go back to 2000 when you were two years old and relive something.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be like when you were at that age.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were to repeat your life.
38:12 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta tell you TJ, I would love, truly love.
38:16 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_02]: To go back and relive the fifth inning, a game one of the 2025 ALDS.
38:19 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If we carry Carpenter, it takes George Carby D. Are you serious?
38:25 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but if you funny,
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: feel like you might have a heart attack if you do that again.
38:30 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be funny to basically hover above my own body and watch myself react now in real time when it's finally all somewhat died down.
38:41 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If you watch that back again and you went back in that moment and you're like a ghost.
38:44 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you get angry again or would you laugh?
38:49 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, both.
38:50 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Lil'a both could probably be laughing at myself at how just, see, read, black out, furious I was at that game and just screaming, but I'd probably be also laughing.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, it would be mixed.
39:05 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd still be mad because the decision still makes absolutely no sense in the world whatsoever, but I'd also be laughing at just how animated I was.
39:13 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_02]: In a serious one,
39:16 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, it's so recent, but to go relive game five of that series and just relive the Jorge Polanco walk off single, if it has to be something that we have a true memory of, does it get better than that in our fandom?
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, but those are almost too easy.
39:31 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like my moment would have been Game Five of the CS.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: that you and I were both at.
39:37 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was the most epic moment I've ever had as a baseball fan.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's too easy.
39:43 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to take everyone back to the first essentially serious in-person baseball game I ever went to.
39:50 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it was like, the Mariners were fighting for something and they were actually good.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, this is so sad.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the saddest thing ever.
40:01 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the 2014 night court game against the A's.
40:04 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: that they lost anyways, because Rodney blew the save in the ninth inning, the Mariners were down, I think to get no, the game was tied like one one in the seventh inning, and then Robbie can know hits this just no doubt or into right field.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm losing my mind.
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The team that is always sucked forever.
40:27 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, as a two-one lead, we might be close to the wildcard and dead, and dead, and, uh,
40:33 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and in classic Mariners fashion while they lost the game and they missed the playoff by a game as well that year.
40:40 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But until that point as baseball fans, we had nothing, nothing to cheer about.
40:49 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was, that was pretty cool.
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd say that one.
40:53 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to a game a few games later in that week.
40:56 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It was game 161 with the Austin Jackson walkoff, fielders choice.
41:01 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't see the night court game, but I saw the game 161 where they won against the corpse of an angel's roster that had all AAA guides in it, because they clinched the division, they pulled everybody out of the game, and they still barely won.
41:12 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to even pick one that's a little more niche, because I thought we were just trying to think of the truly most
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_02]: riveting moment.
41:20 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to pick one that's more niche, I saw the Mariners combine no hitter back in 2011, 12 against the Dodgers.
41:30 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would go back and relive that for never getting to see any meaningful games.
41:33 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That was as cool as I ever gotten to see.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Millwood, Furbush,
41:39 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_02]: prior litkey league well-helms and i believe that those were the six that's right for the no-header we know it might have been seven no it was six i think mhm i think then you got i think d-golden with definitely safe at first base on the ninth inning ground ball but they didn't every playback then so it's called out and that was it
42:02 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is as Mariners fans we just don't have a lot.
42:05 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We either have the most epic moments possible or niche sad moments.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So choose your fighter.
42:12 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I chose niche sad moment and Lyle has his own niche sad moment Because in all seriousness like the Gino one was epic beyond proportion Of course was again, that's still probably the biggest swing in Mariners history
42:29 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
42:30 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I vividly, the thing about that one is like, I still remember it so clearly in my head, the night court game, not as much, because it was so long ago.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can recount the genome one right now.
42:42 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We're sitting high up on the first base side.
42:44 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we weren't.
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Or sorry, third base side.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I got that mixed up.
42:48 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You know when we were sitting on the first base side, that was, it was KLDS, to KLDS.
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was ALDS game one with good old Carrie Carpenter.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were high up on the third base side.
43:00 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We were still surrounded by Blue Jace fans.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're quite a few around us.
43:04 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I lown I entire game where like this team can't hit.
43:09 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's over.
43:10 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The longer that game went on, I'm like, oh, it's over.
43:13 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Blue Jace took the lead and they took the lead in the top of the eighth, right?
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Or was the top of the seventh?
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: One of those two.
43:21 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of those two who came in and gave up the lead or no, Brad, one of those anyways that detailed this matter.
43:27 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think brash gave up the lead where it got tied, and then I think we actually gave up the tie where the Blue Jays took the lead.
43:34 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe.
43:35 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
43:35 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
43:36 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, Cal hits his home run in the the first part of that inning, and until Cal did that,
43:43 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was convinced in my head the season was over.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That this team couldn't hit.
43:48 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They were going to go back to Toronto and they're going to get their doors blown off in game six.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And they will have lost for in a row to end their season.
43:55 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a pit in my stomach.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So cow hits that home run.
43:59 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm alive.
44:01 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe that.
44:03 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it.
44:04 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's funny from where we were sitting couldn't actually see the ball land.
44:09 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember that?
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a land.
44:12 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe I was, maybe
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what I was saying.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see the ball laying in the outfield.
44:17 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I was looking down, or I was looking at the fan reaction, but I'm afraid that one I sat down was like, oh my God.
44:25 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I think I did the same thing for Gino, where I was like, oh Gino's about to strike out here.
44:30 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They said he's loaded, no one out.
44:31 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been so terrible this post season.
44:34 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna strike out.
44:36 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then once he hit that ball, it was like borderline blackout.
44:40 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:41 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and those those blue jays man's around us to man they were loud they were going to do it they were not that i mean i mean they were i mean
44:50 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_02]: No reason they shouldn't be, but they were really, really fired up about their own guys and around a lot of Mariners fans, making sure their voices were heard.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: But man, when Gino hit that grand slam, it was awesome.
45:01 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
45:02 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That gives him puts a smile on my face thinking back on it, and we're going to have to.
45:06 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If that happens again this season, we've got to wait six months, six plus, so we'll get there.
45:13 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Just don't think about what happened three days later.
45:15 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
45:16 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, probably for your own mental sanity, probably.
45:20 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Try not to do that.
45:21 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't relive that.
45:21 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, if you have that memory, throw it in the trash.
45:25 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:25 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the thing Dumbledore does in Harry Potter?
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's in the fourth movie.
45:29 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's able to put the wand to his head, puts the, puts the, puts the memories in the, whatever that, the bowl.
45:36 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, he can actually just rip memories out of his own mind and basically cast them away.
45:43 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, I was like, that'd be great.
45:44 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: If I could do that with Carrie Carpenter and George Springer, I do with both.
45:48 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Now what I wonder is that like copying the memory or pulling the exact memory?
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a copy.
45:55 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe you probably want to control all the leap.
45:58 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
45:59 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
46:01 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we have people say 2K to us that's bringing training.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens during the year.
46:05 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm sure we'll get some of those on opening day.
46:08 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can't wait for opening day.
46:11 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't either.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a real fun time on opening day.
46:14 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: As we've teased before, I think we have a big thing planned on opening day.
46:18 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We will release the details when we have more to give, but stay tuned.
46:23 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot to do on opening day.
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, definitely.
46:28 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, that was a good mail bag.
46:30 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Good set of questions.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, what do I would say?
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys always come with really, really good questions.
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46:42 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, I think that's just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle.
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