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01:21 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lairer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network.
01:26 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Recording here on Thursday afternoon, March 19th, congratulations Logan Gilbert.
01:33 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He is the Mariners opening day starter for the second consecutive season as expected.
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It is one deserved and two its an necessity.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They had to do it.
01:44 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan deserves it and they also had to do it.
01:47 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan now that you got this time for an extension.
01:50 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's next.
01:52 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear another opening day start announcement for him.
01:56 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: What I want to hear is, maybe you want to do things.
02:01 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He either wins the Siong this year or he's signing an extension, preferably both.
02:06 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say how about he signs the extension and then wins the psi on that's perfect That works for me.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He can do that.
02:14 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll I'll ante it up here Can it happen in the next week?
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we do it before opening day starts like Cal last year?
02:21 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been What day of the week was it the Tuesday before opening day he signed?
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I remember we were over it
02:30 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We were over with our friends at Queen Ambeur Hall, that morning when we saw CalSign the extension.
02:36 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was, I believe, two to three days before opening day.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was that Tuesday.
02:42 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
02:43 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would mean the 24th.
02:47 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's sign Logan Gilbert on March 24th on Tuesday.
02:51 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I could not be more thrilled if that were to happen.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
02:56 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No pressure, Logan, if you're hearing this, time to sign the dotted line, buddy.
02:59 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope the Mariners, too, on their end, have come forward and made a size of a offer with this.
03:06 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, man, we just made you, opening day starter for the second consecutive year.
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean a ton to us?
03:14 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the number.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's $150 million.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you willing to sign that right now?
03:21 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we kind of told Logan that in spring training.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put that pen to paper, but it does take two to tango.
03:28 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he wants, I think he wants to, I hope so.
03:32 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for a number, a good number he wants to.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I'd say the catcher wants it too.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair to say, right?
03:41 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got some pretty significant influence that the sort of packed he made with the Mariners when he signed, he's like, we got to invest too.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.
03:57 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's just always have to be like a smart contract, like all of these extensions or free agent signings are a bit of a risk.
04:05 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you predict that the five years of Josh Nailer's contract will be as fruitful in his 30s as they were the previous five years in his 20s?
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you?
04:16 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't know, but you also could not roll into the season with
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's a second basement.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I forgot.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: A really good one, too.
04:28 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how do you look at his defense?
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He is spectacular.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been in for some power, too?
04:34 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, listen, if you weren't a fan of Hooray Polaco's defense, get what, get right to learn the ways to rise if he had been here.
04:43 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no promise that if you were to sign Logan Gilbert to an extension that it would age great starting picture for aging contracts can be kind of risky but If you're going to sign anyone in this rotation right now right this second it's going to be him.
04:58 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So you might as well take the risk and if you're going to if your process in this rotation is you have four guys who are a prime for extensions and you're going to sign half of them.
05:09 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The half should be Brian will and Logan Gilbert.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, for sure.
05:15 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are not going to be able to keep this whole group.
05:18 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say to their credit so far, there is not been a true core impact player that they've so far let go from this group.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody stayed so far.
05:29 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be weird when the first one leaves.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder who the first one's going to be.
05:34 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a prediction.
05:35 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you?
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you count JP Crawford?
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: not really.
05:41 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, he's been a core part of the team, but no, because everybody's seen the writing on the wall with that one.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: On the wrong side, or is he 30 this year?
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be 31?
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: JP?
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
05:57 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's about to be point being on the wrong side of 30.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: His defense is basically gone.
06:02 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if, well, Mint.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically gone might not be a fair word.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: His range is certainly gone.
06:07 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He's 31 right now.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so wrong side of 30.
06:10 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The defense of metrics do not like him.
06:12 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have their replacement and success are waiting in the wings.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody sees the writing on the wall with that one.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But...
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: My prediction for this is George Kirby.
06:25 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be the first one that goes.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense.
06:27 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I would still count J.P. as part of this core though, even if the writing is on the wall.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look writing is on the wall for Kirby.
06:34 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've went through the check marks of extension.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Checkmark number one of extension.
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Potential for more ceiling or you're sealing us.
06:44 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen your ceiling and it's really good.
06:47 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Haven't seen it.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Not yet.
06:50 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: get the idea that someone would be comfortable staying on the west coast long-term, have not gotten that.
06:56 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like it's been a consensus among media types both, spoken and written that of all these guys, George Kirby is going to be the one that just goes back to New York in place near his home, which if you want to do it, it's more credit to him.
07:11 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I would almost put that in the same bucket as JP, it's just a little farther away right now.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:16 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, you don't have to think about it as much.
07:18 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and you won't keep all these pictures, but Logan Gilbert just feels like one that could get done.
07:24 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not gonna be easy with him either, because similar, East Coast guy lives in Florida and the off season, it's far away from home.
07:32 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also a lot of things that he seems to like about this organization, about the guy he plays with and about the catcher.
07:37 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a chance to throw to for 10 plus years if he signs the extension.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot.
07:43 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Logan is more open to it.
07:46 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: At least that's the sense I get than somebody like Kirby.
07:50 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder man, what number would make him say yes?
07:52 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The number that everyone's basing, Logan Gilbert off of which I don't think is a terrible comp is the Dylan C.
08:02 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: extensions are usually a little bit lower because they're essentially they're just guaranteed.
08:06 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to go to free agency.
08:08 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to risk teams not being interested in you that you don't have to risk injury right now.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a guaranteed number.
08:14 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll give you right now without you having to work a single second more.
08:18 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Which so I'll take that number down then a little bit because it's not going to be the Mariners are going to pay him to 10 as an extension.
08:24 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What he
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I've always said six for 180.
08:32 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like the one he would definitely say yes to.
08:35 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's six years, that'd be 30 million bucks a year.
08:37 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's really good money.
08:41 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the Mariners would want an A, the A, V of that to be lower than Dylan C's.
08:46 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Six for 180 is the same A, V is Dylan C's just 30 less total dollars.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Million dollars.
08:53 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 30 million less total dollars on the contract.
08:56 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: because you would still end up paying Logan Gilbert at least average throughout the contract 30 million dollars.
09:02 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And the goal of this, if you're going to extend them, is to not pay him what he would get on the open market.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you can try.
09:10 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, six for 160 is a really good lump of cash.
09:16 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's 26 and a half million dollars a year, essentially.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be a hard thing to turn down.
09:21 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're Logan and his camp, and you see what he's got,
09:25 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And you say, look, I'm still going to take a little bit of a hometown discount here.
09:31 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So can we go the last years, but you pay me the same A, A, B.
09:36 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that Logan that really, as we keep mentioning, works against Logan is the timing of his free agency, how willing our team's going to be to spend after a lockout if they do miss some games with a potential new structure of a potential new structure of a baseball monetary structure and these owners having less cash on hand.
10:01 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: How's that going to affect it or is the market going to sag a little bit or salary is going to progress.
10:08 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of want to hedge against that unless you because then you could get to free agency and all of a sudden, the deals on the table are three years for $90 million, which is more, it's more than a, it's more a, a, a, even six for 60 set of six for 160, but it's not as much total money.
10:29 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And you take a little money and longevity and a little more security.
10:32 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
10:33 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the other part of this, too.
10:36 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned it on a recent episode.
10:38 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it here again because it pertains to this Logan Gilbert conversation.
10:41 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners currently sits 17th in payroll.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not that high for a team trying to compete for a world series.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Now let me be clear.
10:48 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't hammered this storyline this off season.
10:50 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: There hasn't been a reason to hammer this storyline this off season.
10:53 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they've gone out and done all the right things.
10:55 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They have put together a team on the field.
10:58 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: that is not just a championship caliber team, but it is such leaps and bounds better than what this team was one year ago.
11:05 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at the opening day lineup from a year ago and the roster from a year ago, compared to what it is now, it's night and day.
11:11 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said,
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still 17th in the league in payroll.
11:15 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got money to spend, which you could one do with the deadline, but two, you could do with things like extending your own, like Logan Gilbert, because we know they're not gonna go pay free agents.
11:26 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They've made that abundantly clear at this point, as much as it drives people crazy, often us included.
11:32 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They have made it pretty clear, they're not gonna go out and pay the big ticket for a marquee free agent.
11:37 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So spend it on your own guy instead.
11:40 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And they might not have to, again, pay big ticket if they're extending because I think if I'm reading this correctly, I have the A-A-V of every starting pitch or major league baseball up sorted from most expensive to least expensive.
11:53 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe the most expensive extension on here is Garrett Crochet's and he's making 28.3 million dollars, which falls short of Dylan Seas' contract.
12:06 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: All those top guys are free agents like let me rattle them off Zach Wheeler's AV King 42 million dollars use a free agent right yeah
12:14 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... framer was a free agent to ground was a free agent snel was a free agent coal was a free agent carbon burns was a free agent uh... terrible rare arbitration i think that's like once in a century that that happens and let the dillies and let's be clear terrible is going to be a free agent if you watch one second of the wbc scott borris made that very clear
12:37 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but some of these other, some of these other extension guys are below the 30 million marks.
12:43 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Logan's going to break 30 on an extended.
12:45 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I feel like six for one, 60 given what he has done and sort of some insurance against injuries would be a solid one.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at some of these other ones.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Tyler Glass now was an extension guy.
12:56 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets 27.3, who else?
13:01 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Lazardo, who just got paid.
13:02 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets 27 on the dot.
13:06 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the Crochet Comp you through out is a good one because he got 28 and a half million dollars on his extension.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Logan, I do.
13:15 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not quite Garrett Crochet.
13:17 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at Crochet's extension and you look at what you could do for Logan, then going back to your six years for 160 million number, feels like a pretty reasonable extension.
13:27 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a little less than Crochet, but still pays them toward the top of the market among extended pictures and baseball.
13:33 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: to be fair for crochet he was not he wasn't as established like he was good but he had not thrown the full season yet remember the white socks when they traded him to the red socks before he got paid they were load managing the crap out of them uh... they were but he was really good in that year you remember that one year he had in chicago yeah yeah he was really good it's just when you guarantee someone that much money you kind of want them to be to get a crochet we saw last year
14:03 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:04 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say people really value strikeouts nowadays.
14:07 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Dillon C's got so much money because despite the baddie, not baddie are a numbers, but
14:14 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: ERA numbers that aren't going to jump off the page year over years had some good years with the ERA and some tougher years with the ERA.
14:21 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: People know we have so much value in the swing and mess and striking batters out that that's why the blue jays are more than comfortable paying what they paid them.
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Garacrochet strikes a lot of batters out as a result gets the extension.
14:33 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what a strikeout rate was in Chicago here before going to Boston?
14:36 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a good start.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was over 35 percent.
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.
14:41 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Garacrochet misses bats like crazy and Logan Gilbert is in that boat.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert misses a lot of bats.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So another reason to warrant an extension.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Another sales pitch to Logan.
14:52 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to sign an extension, he could get himself back to freeze and see sooner as well.
14:59 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So he could dip his toe in multiple times.
15:03 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So hey, Logan, yeah, you walk up to Logan Gilbert this year and you say, hey, Logan, well buy out your funnel to our beers, you'll get four years of free agency covered, and then if you're still feeling good and you're still pitching good, you can pull a Mac Scherzer with the New York Metz, you can pull a Zach Wheeler with the Philadelphia Phillies.
15:20 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have hit the X percentile of starting pitchers and you age gracefully,
15:26 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: then you can hit free agency and sign a three year deal that will pay you at that point fifty million dollars a year.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you'll have a shot.
15:34 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll also be 34 at that time when he'd be set for free agency again, which some guys do make that money.
15:39 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
15:40 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll make sure, sir.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob DeGrom, like it's possible.
15:43 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
15:44 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You also know that a lot of guys start to age out around that time.
15:47 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying Logan will, but some guys do start to age out a bit.
15:51 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, to your point, he would get another chance of free agency if he were to take the six year extension.
15:56 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
15:56 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be better one than it would be rolling out at age 36.
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:02 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, last year, in that first weekend of the season after Calgot extended, you had left a few minutes before me to go somewhere else on that second game of the year, maybe third game of the year.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd left a few minutes before me.
16:16 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking out through the tunnel after the Mariners game.
16:20 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I passed by a lot of the family section where people are sitting and hanging out after the game to wait for a lot of the players to come out from inside the clubhouse.
16:28 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if I told this story on the podcast or not, but I'll tell it now.
16:32 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You told it to me.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I've told it to you.
16:34 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I might not have told it to the people.
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I ran into Logan Gilbert's dad and Bryce Miller's dad.
16:39 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Both of which, apparently, are regular Marine Lair pod listeners?
16:43 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, what's up?
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we met Bryce's parents again at the, uh, was it at the play out?
16:49 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the playoff game I think.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
16:51 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Before my internal disaster ensued, or not internal external disaster.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's when it was all positive.
16:56 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: right it was it was before game one against the Tigers before I had my full blown meltdown anyway after the first couple games of the season last year I think it was after the third game I met Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller's dad to apparently listen to the pod which if you're listening right now shout out to both of them you guys are awesome
17:14 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were talking about the Cal Extension and talking about the team that was on the field last year.
17:21 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said to him, you know, make me feel really awesome.
17:25 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They get Logan done too.
17:29 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And his dad, as well, when I said that.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he wasn't gonna say anything groundbreaking.
17:35 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
17:36 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He, you know, I did say it to him.
17:38 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And he did say that Logan really likes it and Seattle, just like Logan said a bunch.
17:42 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Logan does like it here.
17:46 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to make this.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying there's hope.
17:48 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, if nothing else, we are by the fans and for the fans.
17:52 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We have said that since the day we started this podcast, the only master we serve are the fans.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
17:58 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting there thinking, listen, for the people, I've got a chance to make a sales pitch to a close family member of Logan Gilbert.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to give it a shot.
18:09 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I did.
18:10 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You did a great job.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the only people we serve as the fans.
18:14 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's for the fans.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And well, credit, obviously for us too.
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We want Logan Gilbert to stay, because we're fans like everybody else.
18:19 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so credit for the eventual Logan Govert Extension will go.
18:23 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one to Logan Govert himself.
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Number two to the Mariners.
18:28 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Number three to the Marine Lair pod.
18:29 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the next time we have Logan on the pod, which if you haven't listened to our Logan Govert interview yet, you should go check it out.
18:36 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a blast.
18:36 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan was great.
18:37 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The next time we have him on, if he's extended,
18:42 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell in the story and say, so, point, oh, oh, oh, oh, one percent of your contract task.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll send you our, we'll send you our wiring number.
18:52 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you in advance.
18:53 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
18:56 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems bad.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good pass of source of income.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Be fair.
18:59 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems fair.
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:01 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have a bunch of really good mailbag questions to get to allow before we get to the mailbag questions though.
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to read that?
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's talk to you guys about our friends over at Pagaches Pub 85.
19:11 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you guys know that's over in Kirkland, it's this awesome neighborhood bar with great food and drinks and there's games like pool and darts and there's 20 TV's in that place.
19:20 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: What a better, what a great time to be watching sports with March Madness currently going, opening days right around the corner, they're still spring training going on, hockey and basketball are in full swing.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Go over to Pub85.
19:33 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a blast, you guys.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially for March Madness.
19:35 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You can watch all the games, hang out with your friends.
19:37 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you go during happy hour, you get drink specials that are three to four dollars from two to six PM Monday through Friday.
19:44 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are some pretty awesome happy hour deals.
19:47 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, three to four dollar drinks, two to six PM Monday through Friday.
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You can check that all out at Pagaches Pub85 in Kirkland.
19:55 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And before we get into the mailbag episode or reminder to you guys if you want to have your questions heard on this mailbag along with a lot of other perks you can go to our patreon patreon.com slash rain layer pod you get access to add free episodes you get mailbag priority so if you have a question every week that you want to answer it on the podcast you'll jump right to the top of the list
20:14 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have access to a monthly video call with Lala and I to answer any and all mayors questions you have.
20:20 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So the place to go do that is patreon.com slash marine layer pod.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's patreon.com slash marine layer pod.
20:27 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Add free episodes, mailbag priority, monthly video call.
20:31 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's some really great perks.
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's patreon.com slash marine layer pod.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't do one other housekeeping thing?
20:38 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yes, we have a couple actually, but yes, go ahead.
20:41 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you want to save it for after the first question?
20:43 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You tell me.
20:44 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you do it now.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
20:46 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned our friends at the hall earlier about Queen Anne Beer Hall.
20:50 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to turn your attention from there to Oxidental Hall on Oxidental Ave because that is where we are going to be hosting some of our marine layer pod opening day festivities.
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to go all out this year.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have opening day festivities.
21:03 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to hang out with the people as we welcome in not just the new baseball season and the new Mariners season, but potentially
21:09 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: the most exciting and anticipated mariner season we've ever watched you've got to start it off on the right foot you've got to have opening day events so come hang out with us what that will look like is if you come over to oxytony hall you can hang out with us on opening day from five to seven p.m. we're gonna be hanging out we're gonna be talking ball with people we're gonna try to do some fan interviews there's gonna be great food and drinks inside for you to get get your hands on
21:33 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So you mark that down, five to seven pregame, hang out at Oxford, and I'll haul with us.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, we're gonna do something that I actually don't think we've done before.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's gonna be really fun.
21:44 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So post game.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've seen Oxenental Hall, you can picture it.
21:48 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If not, I'll explain it.
21:49 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There's an upstairs area at Oxenental Hall that is meant for a lot of recording spaces and it holds about 40 to 50 people upstairs.
21:58 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So after the game, about 30 to 45 minutes after the final out, TJ and I are gonna tape Friday's podcast live from upstairs at Oxenental Hall.
22:08 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And you guys can come and join and watch it live and sit down and hang out for it live.
22:13 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that Friday podcast is going to be us just talking about the first game of the year and recapping opening night and recapping the game and all the festivities.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And it will be open for you guys to come sit and hang out at.
22:24 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got two chances to come hang out with us.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you do both.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: 5 to 7 p.m. pre game.
22:30 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: 30 minutes after the game post game where you can watch our live podcast recording and we'll be hanging out for a bit after all of that is over at the Hall on Oxidental Hall on Oxidental Avenue and a huge shout out to the whole and a corona for making this happen when you come by we'll have plenty of playing of corona get away stuff.
22:48 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: pregame yeah pregame we will have uh i'm not exactly sure yet but we will have things to give away to anyone who comes and shows up and then after again we will also have a lot of that same stuff if you came to some of our corona events last year we have another batch on deck this year the format will be a little bit more like this
23:06 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: like what we're doing on an opening day just a little bit different, but they will include podcast tapings, they will include watching mariners games and getting corona deer gear at a whole location are next.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the schedule in front of me.
23:18 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say April 26 is our first in season one and these are for the most part going to be on Sundays.
23:26 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's roughly about once a month.
23:28 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But our first one is opening day and yes, good call.
23:32 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all going to be sponsored
23:36 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But come on out to the Hall on Oxford Addle on opening day because it's going to be a blast and we can't wait to see you guys there.
23:43 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Second housekeeping thing if you're checking our social media channels on Thursday, you might already know about this.
23:49 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't checked our social media channels yet, I would go over to our Instagram at Marine Lairpot on Instagram because we have a giveaway ahead of opening day.
23:57 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're partnering up with Honda and Toyota of Seattle for a giveaway.
24:02 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: For that Tuesday Yankee game Tuesday March 31st, you have a chance to win two free tickets, free parking and arrive to the game from the Honda and Toyota of Seattle dealership in Soto.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So what you need to do for that?
24:17 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to our Instagram page and you click on the video, it's very clearly labeled that says Mariners give away.
24:23 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You can find all the details on there, but I can also read the details.
24:26 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: To you now, if you want to go do that while you're listening to this podcast, because honestly, why not?
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Free tickets?
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: To go see the Yankees?
24:33 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty good deal.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: What you have to do is you have to follow us on Instagram at Marine Lairpond.
24:39 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to follow both Honda and Toyota of Seattle.
24:41 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They're two different accounts.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: One is at Honda of Seattle.
24:44 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: One is at Toyota of Seattle.
24:46 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you need to go leave a comment on that post.
24:49 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: about your favorite Mariners opening day memory.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be whatever.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten quite the variety of posts.
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna put it that way.
24:58 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one specifically I'm thinking, oh, that's kind of disgusting, but it's still technically counts.
25:03 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's someone left on that post.
25:05 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's all you need to do, you need to follow us, you need to follow Honda of Seattle, you need to follow Toyota of Seattle, you need to comment on that post for a chance to win some free-mariners tickets.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's our second bit of housekeeping.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That'll be Logan's second start, too.
25:18 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So hey, if you want to see Logan go put Aaron Judge in a body bag, you might as well go try to win the tickets, right?
25:24 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
25:25 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not?
25:26 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hey, if Logan faces Aaron Judge in a clutch situation, you can make a personal guarantee while you're at the game.
25:35 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, during the regular season against the Mariners, he's usually pretty good.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, not when it matters though.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, against the Mariners, he's good.
25:42 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes down to something that matters, which is why I'm saying maybe a late game situation, well, he'll strike out.
25:47 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, last, yeah.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
25:50 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
25:50 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, last year he hit a home run, but also, remember who it was against.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it was uh, Carlos.
25:57 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, it was Carlos Vargas, not Logan Gilbert.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's dive into this mail bag.
26:03 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of really good questions to get to.
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's start off with Josh on Patreon.
26:07 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh says, if you could do a time machine trade at the deadline between the 2001 and 2025 mirrors, that would be such a win-win for both teams.
26:16 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They would both make it to the world series.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What would it be?
26:21 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think about the O1 Mariners as they were so good.
26:24 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't eat that much help, but if I were to make a trade, I would assume that Kate Anderson here in 2026.
26:34 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, is he counting just the 25 roster as he means 26?
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, 25.
26:41 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he just means 25.
26:42 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
26:43 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And the trade needs to make both teams better.
26:46 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: See, you hear what I got?
26:50 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, I was just going to say, if it was 26, what I would do is assume K to Anderson could be up by August, late August, September, and then you could trade George Kirby to the O1 Mariners for each year, because right field, I think is the weakest spot in the Mariners lineup.
27:10 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you'd have to add some prospects into that trade, but it would be Kirby and some high-end prospects for each year to play right field of the deadline.
27:18 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to do a major league for major league trade in this scenario.
27:22 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So the way I went about this, you're right.
27:24 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Owen Mariners did not have a weakness.
27:26 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They had the best area in the league and they scored the most runs in the league.
27:29 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They had the best starting staff, best bullpen, and best starting lineup.
27:35 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of hard to poke, poke a hole in that.
27:37 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The 2025 Mariners, their weakness was their starting rotation.
27:41 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of narrowed it down to where I looked at where did the team struggle in the postseason?
27:47 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: that helps me get to the answer of this question a little bit easier.
27:52 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: My mock trade for this is I trade get this hooray polanco to DH on the O1 Mariners and I get back Jamie Moyer.
28:06 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And you do what with Edgar on the O1 Mariners?
28:10 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Edgar Martinez had a three hundred OPS in the ALCS.
28:15 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, the Mariners did not make the world series in 2001?
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're a lineup went into the toilet.
28:21 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trying to, I'm trying to take.
28:24 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it sounds crazy, okay, but but we're talking about winning a seven game series That's the two Owen Mariners had no problem in the regular season But in the post season, they clearly needed something drastic to jolt them.
28:38 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm offering them Mariners ALDS Hero Jorge Polanco
28:43 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm getting back Jamie Moyer to start in the ALCS because the mayor has got too many bad starts in the ALCS and Jamie Moyer was great in the ALCS and O1.
28:54 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you have all the hindsight already at this trade deadline of both teams?
28:59 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Edgar had a 160 OPS plus in O1.
29:04 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I said I was looking at the post-season, because both the teams are loaded.
29:10 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But the trade happens in August.
29:14 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to make a tough trade here because it has to be a major league for major league.
29:18 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: These teams are not making the world series by acquiring bench players.
29:24 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
29:27 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: What if with my trade, if you were to trade a picture to go get it?
29:32 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because okay.
29:34 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Right the field then for the twenty because if this is the twenty five mirrors and not the twenty six mariners At least it well.
29:40 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
29:40 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
29:41 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say in the regular season can zone at a good year and then the postseason.
29:46 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is what makes this heart is the old one team doesn't need anything But if you were to nitpick and the postseason their offense was bad.
29:55 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, then I'm gonna
29:58 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: still trade Kirby and prospects for each euro.
30:02 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you absolutely need a starter in 25, then you would have called up Durangelo Sanjay just the way the blue jays did tray a savage if you really needed the extra starter.
30:11 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise you live without Kirby, you go with Wu, you go with Logan.
30:15 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, this is part of the problem.
30:18 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the trade in August or is the trade in October?
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't know that Wu's hurt.
30:24 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The trades in August.
30:25 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you do not know that Wu's hurt in this scenario.
30:30 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I would at that time bank on Wu, bank on Gilbert, bank on Louise, bank on Bryce if you have to, and then in a pinch, if you need your Angela Sanjay, you do it, but you go get each year out of play right field.
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Each year is all a favor.
30:47 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I would choose someone else besides Jorge Polanco, but I still think I'd want Jamie Moyer back.
30:51 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the 225 Mariners needed another dog in the rotation.
30:56 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't, you can't trade for Freddy Garcia from the O1 Mariners and still expect that team to make the world series.
31:03 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be less likely.
31:05 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you have traded Geno after acquiring them to the O1 Mariners to replace David Bell?
31:12 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But Geno had the biggest hit in franchise history.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can't treat him.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but the bases were loaded with nobody out.
31:19 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Can they have gotten unrunnered across and the moonios closes it?
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess who was coming up after Geno in that scenario?
31:25 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was, if it was Dom Canzo in the know, this is a hard question.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And a really tough question for that matter.
31:33 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough like I went.
31:34 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I go and I look at the Mariners postseason stats like offensively.
31:38 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm getting,
31:40 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: the 2000, if I'm trying to boost the 2001 offense, like I can't trade cow, good offense a player.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't trade Julio, good offense a player.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't trade Randy, who's stunk in the postseason and stunk down the stretch.
31:55 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have to find a middle ground here that makes them better.
31:59 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, again, there is no perfect answer to this question.
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really, really good question that was asked.
32:04 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And all you listen, drop it in the comments on YouTube.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: What was your trade B?
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to hear.
32:10 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question on the male bag comes from Zander on Patreon.
32:13 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Zander's question is, with potentially no JP, how would you guys play it?
32:17 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Option number one for your mental infield.
32:19 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Colleung at short stop, Leo Revauss at second base.
32:21 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Option number two, Leo Revauss at short stop, Colleung at second base.
32:26 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Option number three, Colta short stop, Colleung at second base.
32:30 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Four, bringing someone who is not on the major league roster on a minor league deal.
32:35 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is a little bit of dillon more stuff floating around today because he just got like Go by the fillies and there's some mariners people online and like, well, I would think about it Listen, is somebody who was a long time dillon more fan?
32:46 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: No No, I'm calling that AI Slop.
32:50 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I Hate to bring up the number again, but I'm gonna bring up the number again and rehash some old wounds
32:57 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Moore for the final three months of his Mariners tenure for a guy that was on the roster to hit left handed pitching, OPS 140 against left handed pitching over the stretch of three months, not batting average, OPS 140, I'm out, I don't think they're going to resign him.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a need for a deal.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, they have Leo Revaust.
33:23 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And for that reason, to answer Sanders question, I would go with option number two, Leo Reeves plays short, Cole Young plays second base.
33:30 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think JP Crawford's going to be out that long, and the most recent reports from the Mariners is he's only going to be down for a couple days.
33:38 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The other side of this is he's only had 18 plate appearances in spring training, so he hasn't hit a lot.
33:44 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he needs a few extra days on the IL, Leo Revaus can start the first week of the year at short.
33:51 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You can actually, so one final thing, you can actually still retroactive a player when you put them on the IL at the start of the year from something that happened in spring training.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You can just only go a maximum of three days back.
34:04 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you were gonna put JP on the IL, on March the 26th, retroactive to the 23rd,
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You could play Leo Rivas for a week and JP comes back after that.
34:18 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a play with solution.
34:19 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Play Leo for longer than a week if you have to.
34:21 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
34:22 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Leo Rivas for a month is totally fun.
34:25 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: More than a month probably not.
34:27 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: To answer your questions and I'm at number two, I think Leo at short, Cole at second is by far the most likely.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole would be fun to make the opening day roster.
34:36 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really gotten an indication that's going to happen, so I don't think I just don't think that's totally realistic at this point.
34:45 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say we don't know for certain how much the Mariners view that extra first ground pick.
34:50 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: because that is the incentive right there.
34:52 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, don't even think it's, they would have to believe Cole Emerson is ready right now and they would need to really value that first pick.
35:00 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because otherwise, it would be smarter for him to get more comfortable and AAA against some more veteran, former big leegers who throw a lot more junk who could throw a lot more strikes than he sees in AA, a lot more quality strikes.
35:13 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to get himself ready for when he gets to the big leagues and guys are doing that, but throwing way harder.
35:19 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The other part of that, too, is because you're absolutely right.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You talked about it on our last podcast.
35:24 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I did a post about it on social media, which you can go check out both of, that talk about the value of that PPI pick, the extra first round draft pick, that the Mariners could benefit from, if they called Colt Emerson up, to be on the opening gay roster.
35:39 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has to win rookie of the year.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is an interesting wrinkle.
35:44 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson, per Bet MGM, in terms of their odds, is 11th in A.O.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Rookie of the Year odds voting.
35:51 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys ahead of them, tray a savage, Kazuma Okamoto, Kevin McGonagall, Carter Jensen, Moon Ataka Murakami, Samuel Bessayo, Tetsuya, E.M.I.
36:00 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Beaver's, Connolly Early, and Chase the Water.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he went in that field.
36:08 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He could be good, but I don't think so.
36:11 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Fan graphs.
36:12 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Fan graphs is projecting Kevin McGonagall as a rookie.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Have a three win season.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:18 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could tell, you could take a guess who the books and the projections really like to win rookie of the year.
36:24 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Bet MGM may think that Colt Emerson's not gonna get up till end of May, and that could be a reason the odds are currently lower.
36:34 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were to make the opening day roster, I bet you he shoots up a bit.
36:37 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm guessing they're projecting he's not gonna start the year on the roster and that's a reason for it, but even if he did, there are some really good rookies.
36:45 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Magonical's gonna be the big one.
36:47 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You savage if he's healthy will be interesting, although he sounds like he's now going to start the year on the I.L.
36:52 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a guy that's had injury problems.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So...
36:56 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way to stray a savage update, but there's a couple of the guys from Japan, and I don't know, man.
37:01 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember seeing Carter Jensen, that final royal series of the year, he was tearing it up.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He hits bombs.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's good.
37:09 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just that the Japanese players are good.
37:12 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They're pros.
37:14 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They've played in the top level leagues for a long time.
37:18 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a foot up on everyone else.
37:22 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a tough battle.
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt for Cold Emerson to win rookie the year.
37:27 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we said the same thing about Julio when he was in a rookie class with torque, Adly Rushman and Bobby with Jr.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But he did it.
37:34 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still gonna be an uphill battle and I think Julio was a little more ready than Cold Emerson currently is.
37:39 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Dylan on Patreon, Dylan's question is, any spring training storyline slash player for performances from other ALS teams that stand out to you.
37:49 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So in terms of teams, I'm gonna keep hammering home the A's.
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're gonna beat the Mariners by any stretch, but I feel like they're a little slept on.
37:58 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think most people believe the Astros will finish second in the division.
38:02 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Hembo, on Wednesday, said he thinks the Ranger's finish in second, I mean, that A's offense just really hits.
38:09 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So they can get any level of half quality pitching.
38:13 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be a 500 team that could win 82 83 games.
38:16 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So in terms of spring training store lines I'm watching, team wise it'd be the A's and player wise for me, I don't know how it couldn't be why it line for it, because while you can't take spring training stats too seriously, he is pulverizing baseballs in spring training.
38:31 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And he, for as good as he's already been, this could be his breakout year in 26.
38:35 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want a couple of breakout store lines, I'd look at those.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I went with a different team.
38:40 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I went with not just the Astros, but you're on specifically.
38:44 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He is people are thinking he's going to have a great year.
38:47 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go look at MLB.com and you search up you're on Alvarez, one of the top articles is, is you're on Alvarez going to break Jeff Bagwell's single season home run record for the Astros, which is 47.
38:58 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say if someone hits 48 home runs in the American League West, they should be a pretty prominent storyline.
39:04 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not right now.
39:06 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Via fan graphs is projected to have a four and a half win season as a D H. That's really good.
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Show Hayo Tani as a D H was projected for five wins for context.
39:18 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like this is how I thought of it.
39:21 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Outside of Mariners players, Cal and Julio, who's the next best player in the American
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: When he's healthy, it's him.
39:31 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: When you're an algorithm's healthy, he is the third most feared hitter on the planet.
39:36 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put judgment, show, hey, and any order you want.
39:40 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's your done third for me.
39:43 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
39:44 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So in this case, there's no one who can swing the outcome of the season for another American League West team more than your done algorithm.
39:52 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a pretty big storyline for me.
39:54 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He seems healthy, it seems like he's going to play a lot
40:00 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's what I'm concerned about.
40:02 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: His three all star seasons 22, 23 and 24, before he got injured last year.
40:08 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: OPS plus by year, 188, which was the year he hit the Homer off Robbie, right?
40:14 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And then 170 and 170, which is, that's God-like numbers.
40:20 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
40:22 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question on the male bag comes from polycopter on Instagram.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, who's the first mariner
40:31 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So that I have memory of, it's Carlos Guillain, who was my favorite player as a really, really young kid.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: First game I ever went to Carlos Guillain, hit a Homer, and I became obsessed with them after that until he left for the Tigers.
40:45 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We went to an autograph signing for Carlos Guillain at one point, and I got his autograph, I got the shake as hand, I was all fired up.
40:52 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was him and then it was, do you remember the name Ben Davis?
40:57 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
40:58 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He was an old Mariners catcher.
41:01 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was the backup catcher for a couple years in the mid 2000s.
41:07 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And he did an autograph signing in Kirkland, same thing, waited online to meet him and get the autograph and did that.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think those were the two.
41:14 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Guillain was first.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be totally honest.
41:17 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is me having a bad memory.
41:20 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot think of a single Mariners player of actually ever met before we got credentialed.
41:26 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I ever went to an autograph signing.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Never met one at FanFast or anything?
41:32 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, man.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I remember.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I've looked through photos.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I asked around.
41:40 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I maybe I did, but the only ones I actually remember are the ones I've met while we've been credentialed.
41:48 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I met Aaron Goldsmith when I was a college freshman.
41:52 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This would have been March of 2017.
41:54 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll ask him about it one of the next times we see him.
41:57 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Gold, you remember when I walked up to you when I was like 19 years old?
42:00 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, Aaron Goldsmith so nice to meet you.
42:03 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: My name's TJ.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of players, I, and I don't think so.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like actually met.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't think of one.
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You never waited online for an autograph of a fan fest.
42:16 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: not that I can remember interesting you know now that you mentioned the broadcaster story that sparked one more memory it's not a player but it does make me wish I could have appreciated the moment in time I must have been four five six years old really young and we were at fan fest and
42:36 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We were walking inside on one of the 200 level areas, and nobody was around, but my dad and I, and Dave Neha was walked right by us, and my dad stopped them, and he wanted to say, hey, and he tried to say, like, oh, loud, you know who this is, and I didn't.
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I really wish I'd had the appreciation for it back then.
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing I could do about it.
42:56 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I was five or six years old, but I wish, because that was the only time I ever met Dave Neha, so I don't really remember it.
43:02 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so that's not something you remember,
43:06 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't have insane vivid memories of meeting Carlos Guillain.
43:10 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple old photos, but it's not like you have the perfect memory of it.
43:17 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I don't have enough photos, but it's entirely possible.
43:20 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, like, I want to fan fest as a ton, but I remember what I remember from fan fest was listening to like the dugout, the dugout talks, and then hitting in the outfield and throwing the pen.
43:32 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I remember.
43:33 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Less so autographs.
43:35 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you look around my room,
43:37 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If you, like, look in, uh, like, I have a, I've been full of baseballs, some of them are signed.
43:43 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think I got all those signatures.
43:47 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I actually, I think I have a Dylan more signature.
43:49 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, or maybe it was Sam Haggerty.
43:52 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, I honestly like maybe we're done recording.
43:54 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a look at those.
43:55 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, haggardy, the, haggardy of the friend of the pod.
43:58 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
43:58 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but this must have been before now.
44:01 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like that what, wouldn't make sense.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he wasn't a mayor.
44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This would have been in the 2010s.
44:06 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Sam haggardy wasn't a mayor in the 2010s.
44:07 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And neither was Debal except for one year.
44:11 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
44:12 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to go double check.
44:14 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I have a Robinson Kenow autograph, but I did not get that one.
44:17 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Our friend Ryan Latka got that one.
44:20 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He was at a game and got his autograph and gave me the ball.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty cool.
44:24 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't get, I didn't actually get those signatures myself.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't remember meeting them.
44:32 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a good question.
44:34 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from a user I can't pronounce on YouTube and the question is, taking a wide look at the schedule which month do you think will be the most challenging and which month do you think will be the easiest for the Mariners this year?
44:46 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one do you want to do first?
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do most challenging.
44:50 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Most challenging, I think pretty confidently, is going to be August.
44:57 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the good news is the home and road games are decently split that month.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they have any crazy crazy road trips.
45:04 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: but the teams they're going to play are going to be tough.
45:08 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: After they wrap up that twin series, the month of August goes tigers, rays, at Yankees, at Astros, at Brewers, home against the cubs, home against the Phillies, at the Blue Jays.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That has to be their toughest month of the year.
45:22 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are all competitive teams and good teams in a row.
45:27 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:28 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Red Sox series is one game in one game in August, two games in September.
45:34 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
45:34 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we count that, too.
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a brutal stretch.
45:38 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Now hopefully the team is playing its best at that point, everyone sort of worked through their injuries, the trade deadline would have passed at this point, so the Mariners can be full firepower, but if there's going to be a reason the Mariners miss the playoffs by chance this year, it'll be this stretch right here.
45:52 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We remember what happened in August when they went on the road last year against worst teams.
45:58 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They all looked awful and this in this case all these teams are good or should be good We'll see.
46:06 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's brutal.
46:07 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I grew up with you.
46:07 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So my pick was August as well I wonder who's gonna be available the trade deadline this year because the mariners are gonna have some room to add I wonder what bats are gonna be available.
46:16 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We might have to look into that for a later episode Yeah, potentially and then easiest month
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's June.
46:26 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think June will be their biggest month.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a total cakewalk in June.
46:30 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some teams that they'll play like the Metz.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be at the Tigers.
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They do play the Red Sox.
46:37 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But they also get the Nationals, they get the Pirates, they get the Angels in two of three games in that month, and then they play the Orioles seven times over the course of about a week and a half.
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly what the Orioles are gonna be this year.
46:51 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They totally underperformed last year, but if there were 500 team again, it's not some great opponent that are going up against.
46:58 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Point being, at the very least, the fact they get three games against the Nationals, three games against the Pirates and two games against the Angels.
47:04 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, those are games you should absolutely win.
47:07 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I didn't choose that month is because they're on the road a lot of the month.
47:11 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what did you choose?
47:14 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I chose May.
47:15 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So when May, they're gonna get the Royals twice.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna get the white socks.
47:19 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna get the Braves who really underperformed last year and didn't churn their roster that much.
47:24 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of hoping for bounce backs of bounce backs.
47:28 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have the A's and then you have the Diamondbacks.
47:31 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You could make a case where all of those teams are at or under 500.
47:36 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You could make a case, a lot of those teams are over 500.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the royals are going to be good, man.
47:41 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You know they can pitch.
47:42 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get a full year of Carter Jensen.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need me to tell you about Bobby with Junior.
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You get Michael Garcia.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You get past Quintino.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Jack Kaggle owns.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Gonna look like this year.
47:51 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the royals may get into the playoffs.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they'll have a better record than the Mariners.
47:56 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Royals are good.
47:58 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you list off a lot of other teams in May, like the Braves, the Padres, the Astros, the Diamondbacks.
48:04 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's good, there's competitive teams in that month.
48:07 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the first month's pretty easy, and I think the last month is pretty easy too.
48:10 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at other options, you know what's bringing, helps out a lot in the last month.
48:15 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The Rockies.
48:17 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
48:18 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners get the gift of playing the Rockies and like the second the last week of the season, again.
48:24 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Can they possibly have a team ERA of seven again?
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
48:30 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:30 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Goal Freelins are opening day's door to loud.
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they can.
48:33 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is true.
48:35 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And they get to play this one in Cours, so it might be an effect.
48:39 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm sitting here thinking more about what I just asked a couple of minutes ago about who could be available at this deadline.
48:46 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if I should open up this can of worms or not, because I already did it for so long with Kyle Tucker.
48:52 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, only as two and a half years left on his deal, the deadline, you're not on.
48:59 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, the devil and piss off Astros fans.
49:01 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So, dude, there's, there's not a lot I wouldn't give up for that guy.
49:05 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be real.
49:06 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Mariners fans would be okay blocking less?
49:11 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean.
49:14 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: on.
49:15 --> 49:15 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We got two more questions left.
49:18 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: One question comes from high res on Instagram and the question is, what are your top five episodes of this podcast all time?
49:27 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I make a slight pivot here and say we do that one to say for Alaska?
49:31 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You won't say for that.
49:32 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
49:32 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
49:33 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll save that one.
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to verb on Instagram.
49:36 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This question is, what are the chances Randy gets treated?
49:39 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If so, could it be for a washed mic
49:44 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I don't think they're gonna trade for my trout.
49:49 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: As cool as it would be, he's at a lot of money.
49:51 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't really rely on him.
49:54 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: into vision.
49:54 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, the angels and the mariners do not make trades.
49:59 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably been a few months since we've brought this up, but we bring it up a lot during the off season and during trade deadline time.
50:05 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There is one team, one singular team that this regime, Jerry de Poto, Justin Hollander, and crew have never made a trade with in their tenure.
50:15 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They made a trade with
50:20 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There is bad blood there.
50:22 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think those two parties want to work with each other at all.
50:25 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's one side of it for all I know.
50:28 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have a hard time believing they work out a trade, much less a trade for my trout.
50:35 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:36 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are a chance Randy gets traded, especially given the mood preseason.
50:43 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not likely, but as there are chance, yes, there is a chance.
50:47 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy's owed a lot of money, and if he's unhappy, he's a pending free agent, since he's a Boris guy, he's not going to sign an extension, something like that would of course be on the table.
50:55 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: What we've talked about this in previous episodes, for Randy to get traded, you'd need to be visibly unhappy and you'd need to be underperforming.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: those two things will need to happen.
51:04 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If Randy was going to get traded, I don't think they would be trading for Mike Trout, even if the Mariners and Angels did make trades, because Mike Trout is owed $37 million a year for the next five years.
51:16 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's an untradable contract.
51:18 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The Angels will not be able to trade that deal unless they're eating all of the money.
51:22 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they the angels would want to take on Randy's money and keep all of trout's money for this scenario.
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They benefit nothing from that.
51:30 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And for whatever reason, my trout doesn't want to leave.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
51:34 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll never understand it, but he does not seem to want to leave.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Love's the beach.
51:39 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, and doesn't seem to be interested in winning, apparently.
51:43 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, if Randy gets traded, you're right.
51:47 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be because he's not hitting Andy's unhappy, but if that were to happen, let's call it by mid-delight may.
51:53 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a solution for the Mariners there, because by the time Cole Dammerson's ready, he could come up in play third, Brendan Donovan would probably start playing a lot more left field.
52:04 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Randy would move on in that scenario.
52:07 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't get a lot back for Randy though, because he'll be expensive and he will have been underperforming.
52:12 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'd be trading him essentially at his lowest possible value.
52:15 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You would.
52:16 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners at that point, if that were to happen, and I don't think it will.
52:19 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it does, it would be them saying they need to shake things up.
52:24 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The chemistry in the clubhouse is off.
52:28 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And
52:29 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not working.
52:30 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And they'd be, let's say, by that point in the season, like three games under 500.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And the team is underperforming, too.
52:37 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the last question.
52:40 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: High res.
52:40 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Top five podcast episodes of All Time.
52:46 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how number one is in...
52:49 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Host game of game one of the ALDS for me.
52:52 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really You're gonna laugh.
52:55 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even have that one in my top five.
52:57 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere?
52:58 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'd better well, I'd a better one We'd better run.
53:01 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would I tried to I tried to pick like different things that made the episode great And instead of just like a reason to yell, you know what I put Kyle Tucker signing on the podcast.
53:14 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's on my list.
53:16 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good.
53:16 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's on the list.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong
53:19 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's there, but dude, I mean, post game a game one of the ALDS.
53:26 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, if you listen of this podcast for long enough, or even maybe an episode, you know that I have a short fuse during the year when it comes to the Mariners losing, or not playing well, or when bad decisions get made, I mean, you're talking 24 hours of me seeing legitimate red.
53:46 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: the reaction that we've recorded that we've given people the 2K code to say to us if they want to see it at the ballpark because we're not going to send it out to people like I don't even remember doing that I was so mad that when I watch the video back it's like oh I absolutely believe it happened and I remember not of it we get on this podcast it must have been five hours after that home run.
54:06 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still just steaming, steam out the ears, just like emfing this and that, I mean, I'm so mad to the point where I was up till five o'clock in the morning that night, just responding to every person on Twitter that was possible or not just Twitter, all of our social media accounts.
54:25 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: that we're saying, oh, I actually didn't hate the decision to leave Carbion for Carbioners.
54:29 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you mean you didn't hate the decision?
54:31 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was it was seeing red for 24 hours that was also engulfed into a podcast episode.
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That is number one on my list.
54:40 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's my thing about that.
54:42 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I did not even think that was the best podcast episode of that series.
54:48 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what was it was winning in game five?
54:51 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the listeners agree.
54:53 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I did craft craft cross reference a little bit with What the fans liked the most aka who are most listen episodes?
55:02 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The Jorge Polanco walk off episode in game five is our most listen podcast episode of all time So if I'm gonna pick one from that series I'm picking that one because that one also is positive energy
55:16 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_01]: instead of it just like let's pick Lyle's five the five episodes Lyle ran to the most we could put the the pre the rant before the season last year on there too if we wanted to do that okay you're going through your list now I've only talked about what I didn't put that actually put that one on there that was just an example I'm just saying you're going through a few on your list all I've said is number one with the carry carpenter post game episode what's number two
55:41 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two is Jorge Polanco's walkoff in game five.
55:43 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'm not only picking mad moments, we've had so many great times on this podcast, or you kidding, there's been so many happy moments.
55:50 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jorge Polanco's walkoff in game five.
55:53 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's number two.
55:54 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I put the Kyle Tucker thing, number three, and now we're just going back and forth between mad, happy, mad, happy.
56:02 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The Jared Kellenich trade is on my list.
56:04 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that on your net one?
56:06 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
56:07 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
56:08 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had it, so finish your top five, and that'll do my top five in order.
56:13 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here, just keep going.
56:15 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you haven't finished your top five.
56:17 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Finish your top five.
56:17 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, then the final one that I would have on my list is after Game 5 of the Geno Grantslam of the ALCS because again, you talk about people being happy and floating on air in the city being vibrant,
56:32 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_00]: People were so thrilled.
56:34 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We were so thrilled.
56:35 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_00]: People were like on such a good wavelength of energy after that grand slam for every great reason.
56:41 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's also on my list.
56:42 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That one in truth is number three, the Kyle Tucker Rans for the Kalenic episode's five.
56:48 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, in order, I had CalRally number one, because I think that is our best work from a guest perspective.
56:57 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Shit, I forgot.
57:01 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I put Kyle Tucker signing number two because that's probably the most fun I've had within an episode.
57:06 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that one.
57:08 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I put, I put the Jared Kelnik one three because I remember how in shock we were that that happened.
57:16 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And unlike Lyle had a deep connection to Kelnik at this point, we were totally thrown off.
57:22 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was also Lyle the reason I put that one number three, I think that was our jumping off point as a podcast.
57:28 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: which I think is very important.
57:29 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was our like breakthrough to where we are right now.
57:33 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of accelerated the growth for us to get to this point.
57:37 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I so I think that's really important.
57:38 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It helped kickstart it for sure.
57:40 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It did.
57:41 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Number four, Ryan Davis post Scott service firing.
57:46 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, cause I don't think there's ever been an episode that especially in interview, we've got off and gone wow.
57:54 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Besides that one.
57:56 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were so many takeaways from that interview.
58:00 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, admittedly, your list is way better than mine.
58:02 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to put together some happy moments and some running moments, but man, you pick some specific ones that are really good.
58:09 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The Divish one, I mean, the two things that stood out were one, just basically openly admitting, if the Mariners don't have a budget again this off season, they're just gonna trade Randy.
58:18 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said after service got fired, basically two weeks after they just acquired Randy.
58:24 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What there was there was that and then he's going into all the stories about some of the mariners this time.
58:33 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on to it's that they need me to they need a president of common sense.
58:39 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:40 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_01]: All these things.
58:40 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Divish clearly had a lot to get off his chest in that week, and he kind of did it all on our podcast.
58:46 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_01]: From a listenership perspective too, in terms of like what the fans wanted to listen to, we've never had an episode reset the market that high as Divish did.
58:55 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was 50% more than our previous high at that point.
58:59 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, yeah, the people like this one.
59:02 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I had at number five, Jorge Polanco's ALDS walkoff episode, and then I had an honorable mention for the final one.
59:08 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not final one, but an extra one.
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really proud of the work we did after they lost game seven.
59:15 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you getting on here and talking?
59:17 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everyone else is coping.
59:19 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to sit down and do a podcast.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we did great.
59:22 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We did great.
59:23 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we were just coping while talking.
59:28 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we were really like breaking things down.
59:30 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We were we were just miserable and ejected in furious and everything.
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It was some of our best work as podcast.
59:38 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's nice if you feel that way.
59:40 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:40 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people weren't happy the next day when, again, you were getting the rise possible emotions you could out of us because that was 20 to 30 minutes after the final out and we came on and just said, same old mariners, what else do you expect and a lot of people weren't happy about that?
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It did not like that.
59:55 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because they were like, this is one of the greatest seasons we've ever had and you're saying same old mariners and it's like, well, this is what happens when you get the rise form of emotion.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, our emotions were so raw that night.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were so down in the dumps, we had a delayed realization of the complete fuck up of the Andre's Muno situation.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That night, we didn't even talk about it.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It somehow would not register in our heads how baffling that decision was and then give it another 24 hours and it's like, oh wow, they fucked up big time.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I remember saying on that podcast like I didn't even hate the bizarre to move I just hate that he threw the ball right down the middle of the springer, but yeah, now hindsight, that was the wrong decision.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This is also part of the issue and a lot of ways it's good because you're right, it was a very unique podcast episode, but it is part of the issue when you are extremely emotional in any way, shape or form and start doing a podcast because we didn't get 24 hours to cope.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We had to hop on and just do it.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's a good list, that's a good top process.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Question.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Admittedly, I left some good ones up.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I left Calon Logan's interviews off my list, how dumb.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know if he was good.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was top.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No offense to Logan, just I don't know if it was top five.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed it, I don't know.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've had a lot of good episodes.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good problem now.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, you're right, the Cal, Cal was a pretty, was a pretty reach the mountain top type of episode.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, that was pretty cool.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that was a really good exercise.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, when you guys sing questions like that, that really provokes some thought and let you get in and we allow you guys to get into our own heads to talk through some of our stuff, we love it.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll answer as many mariners questions as we, as you guys want on these things, but for questions like that, we love those too.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good stuff, great mailbag.
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