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00:00 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Over an episode number 383 of the Marine Layer podcast, it's our opening weekend reaction.
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01:02 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair, podcast part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network.
01:08 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Recording here on Sunday evening, March 29th, the first full series of the season is complete.
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It is great, great, great to have baseball back.
01:17 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say, like getting to wake up this morning on Sunday, it's the one day this week that we didn't have to go to the ballpark and I'm able to just sit and watch baseball highlights all day.
01:28 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the greatest thing.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's great.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I wouldn't phrase it as half to go to the ballpark.
01:34 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say we are lucky enough to go to the ballpark.
01:37 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We, we are lucky enough to get to the ballpark, but I actually got to sleep in today, which is nice.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get up at 430 on the weekdays.
01:44 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope you could say the same thing too.
01:48 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I do get up at 430, but you know, I was going to say, I hope you could say, yeah, I also it was nice getting to sleep one day and also given we're going to go to the ballpark Monday Tuesday and Wednesday this week.
02:00 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'd say getting to sit at home at Sunday, it's not the not the worst thing in the world.
02:05 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my weekends these days, given my crazy sleep schedule usually consists of me sleeping in on the weekends, getting up, eating something, and then falling back asleep because I'm so
02:16 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: behind on my sleep that I don't even know if making up for sleep is a real thing or not, but I sleep a lot on the weekends because I'm so deprived of it during the week.
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Technically, I don't think it is, but it is good.
02:28 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It is always good to get more sleep when you can.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I am very, very happy to have baseball back.
02:33 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We are through the dog days of January when we're speculating about name or deck to this and name or deck to that and there's nothing else to talk about.
02:40 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We have baseball games to dissect for a Mariners team that despite only a two and two weekend, which is fine against a good team.
02:47 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite that, a team that has expectations as high as they've ever had.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we get to talk about this team play baseball games.
02:54 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Baseball's back.
02:57 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And now TJ is going to make me stall time while he can't even come get, I go here and sentence out because all of a sudden he's coughing.
03:04 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was about to throw back to me and I'm just dying.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting out of my throat.
03:09 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great.
03:10 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You survived.
03:11 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You survived Princess.
03:12 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: During that coughing fit, I was able to, I was able to, to think about the first great thing I'm going to say today.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna label it right now, Lowe.
03:23 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If we're gonna start with some resency bias from this weekend, Emerson Hancock on a perining basis, just had one of the five best starts in Mariners franchise history tonight.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, oh my god, and there's a voice crack.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: This is my cat's heart.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this?
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's my cat's three minutes is off the rails.
03:43 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You're, I'm voice cracking, you're coughing, we're talking about sleeping, bye.
03:47 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Emerson Hancock, our guy, Marine Lairpot guy, threw in through one of the best starts in Mariners history.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go!
03:56 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: There have been a according to Mariners PR, only two pictures in Mariners history that have recorded outings of six innings, zero hits, and nine strikeouts.
04:07 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Felix is perfect game, an Emerson Hancock tonight.
04:14 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I like...
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That, I, I, I was surprised reading that.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody was.
04:21 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting to see that pop up on my timeline today.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought to myself, Emerson Hancock pitch great.
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He had some sweepers that were deadly.
04:28 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He went six innings.
04:29 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He struck out nine.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He, he got 12 swing and misses by with.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I said he had a great start.
04:35 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What an awesome way to kick off his season.
04:38 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I see that tweet as a cherry on top.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh,
04:42 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he really, really had a good start.
04:45 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, Shadow Emerson, how awesome is that for him?
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, there's bad a lot of injuries.
04:50 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in and out of the rotation.
04:51 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He was moved to the bullpen last year.
04:53 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets another shot with Bryce Miller starting the year on the I.L.
04:57 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Dominates, flat out dominates.
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: A good team, too.
05:01 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Emerson Hankock should be second in the rotation.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Not Bryan Wu.
05:04 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
05:06 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if it was, if it was our guy that got the knot over Bryan Wu,
05:10 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not that we don't love Wu-Too, but if we got an average of handcocks second start of the year, I probably maybe I would have thrown less of a fit.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't know, I probably still wouldn't have, I'd probably still wouldn't have thrown a fit.
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: What do I say?
05:24 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good problem to have to have all these pictures pitching well in your rotation.
05:28 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, for the most part, outside of Logan started an opening day, the weekend was pretty good for the Mariners starting rotation.
05:35 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They did their job, but tonight was I thought like truly special.
05:39 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think entering the day today before the game started that one of the main things we were going to be talking about on this podcast is an Emerson Hancock start, but I'm very pleased that it is because he threw a sweeper more in this start than he did last year.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't throw that many sweepers last year.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He threw
05:58 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think 43 total sweepers last year, sitting 26% on 90 something pitches and his start day, which is great.
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was at a very effective pitch.
06:08 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_00]: His fastball VLO, while down, was able to generate plenty of swing and miss at the top of the strike zone.
06:14 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the most impressive thing that Emerson managed to do in the start is he didn't allow a single flyball in play the whole game.
06:23 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Period, that's insane, that sounds like a made-up stab, but it's not like let's walk through it.
06:29 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, there were no fly ball outs from the Guardians until the last batter of the game.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: My dad.
06:37 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Until the last batter of the game, the Guardians did not put a ball in the air.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And got caught, not a single one.
06:43 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Emerson also didn't allow a hit.
06:46 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So if the guardians aren't getting hits, and they're not getting fly ball outs, you physically cannot hit a ball in the air, in play.
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we probably should have started with this.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And where's an handcock had a no hitter through six innings.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't just strike out nine.
07:03 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a no hitter through six, and then didn't go back out for the seventh because he had thrown too many pitches.
07:08 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a no hitter through six.
07:11 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So when we're comparing this to other starts in Mariners franchise history, yeah, he didn't pitch nine innings.
07:16 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he should have pitch nine innings if you're going to come to us and say, guys, why did they pull him?
07:21 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He was throwing a no hitter.
07:23 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You should have just let him keep going out there.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think getting a no hitter in this game is as important as winning the game.
07:29 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I also don't think the no hitter stays intact if Emerson Hancock said 140 pitches in the ninth inning, which he probably would have been on pace for at that point.
07:39 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: but just appreciate that he's able to throw six of the best innings we've ever seen in Mariners franchise history.
07:45 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it is coming out of my mouth, but it literally is.
07:49 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No balls in the air and play in nine strikeouts and six innings, that's, that's great.
07:55 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible to score runs if that's what you're doing.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Literally impossible.
08:00 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What screws up every pitcher?
08:02 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Allowing home runs and line drives, balls in the gap.
08:05 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot hit a ball in the gap.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's not in the air.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Does Chase the Lodders single in the 7k?
08:11 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, actually, no, that wasn't on Amazon Hancock.
08:13 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So never mind.
08:14 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:14 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:16 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No balls in the air in play.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: did what to start.
08:21 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, it's only one outing.
08:24 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't want to overreact too much and we don't want to overreact to trends too much because we do need to see a little bit of a sample size build up.
08:31 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But we know Emerson Hancock's really been working on this sweeper and the Mariners have talked up how that pitches progressed throughout the winter, throughout spring training.
08:39 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He leaned on that thing heavy today and it worked for him not only just off the eye test that he have some nasty swings and messes on those sweepers, but the usage of what he did with it last year and what he did with it here in his first start of 26 is pretty massive.
08:55 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson Hancock was only throwing his sweeper last year 3% of the time.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't use it much.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He had started to unveil it a little bit.
09:03 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he learned it in the offseason going into 25 but he didn't use it a ton.
09:08 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And in Sunday's start here, it was the second most used pitch in his arsenal.
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He was growing his sweeper 26% of the time and it was working.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: was pretty good.
09:20 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And he did this all well.
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: His velocity was down, which says something about the shape.
09:25 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They were talking about it on the broadcast as well, that Emerson being able to sort of play with the side to side of the sweeper and a little bit of rise on his fastball from from the slot.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me check this out.
09:37 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious if they updated this on Savant already.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Did has his arms slot change?
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to wait to update that?
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They might want to get
09:48 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so Emerson Hancock, well, okay, so here's a here's a thought to this then so Emerson Hancock in 2023 had an arm angle of 23 degrees and the higher the the higher the higher your arm is like this if you're watching this on YouTube right zero degrees is flat horizontal like this 90 degrees is straight up and down that's how they measure that
10:13 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He had his highest arm slot of his career, 27 degrees in 2024, and it drops to 18 degrees last year.
10:20 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And what we saw tonight looked pretty similar to his 18 degree arm slot.
10:25 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you have a fastball that's able to play out and sort of launch up in the strike, so that's what we explain, Lucie, great.
10:31 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Emerson Hancock's able to unlock that with more of a threatening secondary pitch, which he has not had through the three seasons we've seen of him so far.
10:40 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Visib to unlock that, it does allow open up a lot more doors for him.
10:44 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You could also just ask Emerson, next time we see him, which I'm sure will be this week about his arm slot if you want.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We could, we just hadn't seen him throw yet, so we talked to him tomorrow.
10:53 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or sometime this week, whenever.
10:55 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, look, he's clearly made some improvements.
10:59 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly had some intent to work on very specific things, and he clearly came into this year with some intent of what he wanted to do differently.
11:06 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The rule one start, it can't look any better than that.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
11:10 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to feel really good about where he's at.
11:12 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know Bryce Miller's coming back.
11:13 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the Mariners are stocked full of high-level starting pitchers, but I don't think that's going to take away from what Emerson Hancock did tonight.
11:20 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be able to fight for something.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's stick on this for a second.
11:25 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Because look,
11:27 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The overarching theme of this podcast is you can't put too much into the first weekend of the year because you just have to see more play out.
11:34 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the sake of it being an interesting conversation because I think it is, let's say Emerson Hancock through April, pitches really well.
11:42 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got an ERA somewhere in the twos through his first five starts, then what happens?
11:49 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Bryce Miller comes back into the rotation and you put Emerson Hancock in the bullpen.
11:54 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I don't think there's anything Emerson Hancock can do to stay in the rotation.
12:00 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, even if he dominates through a month?
12:03 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because the Mariners also didn't pay Bryce Miller an arbitration to be a reliever.
12:09 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably didn't also expect Emerson Hancock to if he had to fill in, dominate through a month and potentially put up crazy numbers with new stuff.
12:17 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: the bigger question would be what if Bryce came back and struggled.
12:22 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Then the Mariners would be in a tough spot because if you sent Emerson to the bullpen, then he wouldn't be stretched out.
12:29 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he would.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that role would be good for him.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that role wouldn't be good for him.
12:33 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he wanted it would prefer to be a starter.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you'd have to send him back to Triple A.
12:36 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Being in Triple A would help him, because they'd be able to stay stretched out.
12:41 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you move Emerson Hancock to the bullpen when Bryce Miller comes back,
12:45 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably going to have to be at the Cooper Chris while we're all that we saw in Sunday.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We're a Chris while through three innings.
12:51 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Find ways to keep Emerson stretched out because they're just going to need him as a starter too much this year.
12:56 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: With Logan Evans being injured, Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan not ready yet or not even really close to it.
13:01 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Not to say they won't be later in the year, but right now, you need Emerson Hancock to be starting games.
13:06 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: In that case, you'd probably just send him back to Tacoma.
13:09 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: and then like you take the results with a grain of salt because unfortunately he will allow some flyballs in in the PCL and unfortunately probably half of them will go over the fence whether or not he is controlled that or not.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm just going to throw it out.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What if more starts look like this before Bryce Miller comes back?
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just an interesting conversation.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But we have to see what Bryce Miller looks like this year.
13:32 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: First.
13:33 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that is the combo.
13:34 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it price Miller comes back and doesn't pitch well?
13:37 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't become a conversation.
13:38 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the really the only way this door opens.
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we've seen what the peak of Bryce Moon looks like for a full season already in his career.
13:46 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can ignore that.
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's phenomenal what peak Bryce Miller is.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're happy for Emerson Hancock.
13:53 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It literally literally could not have gone better.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that maybe the only thing that could have gone better is he didn't allow a base runner.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But otherwise, like,
14:01 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Put, put, hang a banner, hang the fucking banner.
14:04 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Best starts in Mariners franchise history.
14:06 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put the Felix Perfect game.
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put Randy's no hitter.
14:10 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put, we'll put Emerson's start on there.
14:14 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put, I want a George Kirby's 14 strikeout games on there, and then, has such that you will come with no hitter, and there we go.
14:22 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What about George Kirby's nine ending starting against the Orioles in 23, where they lost?
14:28 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good one.
14:29 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say it too.
14:31 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys all know this by now if you've listened to the podcast long enough, but could not happen to a better dude ever as a Hancock.
14:37 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The one pound for pound, maybe the nicest person on the team.
14:41 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know how to pick it.
14:43 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I've almost thought about it.
14:44 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be fun to rank, and it's almost impossible, too.
14:47 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But some combo of Emerson, and Munoz, and Logan Evans, and Ryan Bliss, and Logan Gilbert, and Matt Brash, and Bryce Miller, like the Gabe, but there's so many.
14:59 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think about those eight right there, and there's more, but even just those eight, it's unbelievable.
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16:16 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, allow what else stuck out to you?
16:18 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What's like the next thing that you're just rear end to talk about?
16:22 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take on a couple of positives because there will be the other side to this at some point in this episode.
16:27 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners lineup is structured to really dominate against right handed pitching.
16:32 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If everything goes right, what we saw through the first weekend is the Seattle Mariners can dominate right handed pitching.
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, they can do so without the core of their lineup doing anything.
16:45 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The core of the lineup will talk about here in a second, but for role players this weekend was unbelievable.
16:51 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And everyone that people had questions about entering the season whether or not they could produce in a certain role came out and they produced this weekend.
17:02 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And they did it in a very 20, 25 mariners way because they hit a bunch of home runs this weekend.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That was where the damage came.
17:07 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Brennan Donovan sprayed it around a little bit, but even he went your twice and he went your to here again on Sunday.
17:12 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The funniest thing ever was hearing the code after game that Brennan Donovan when he came up to the plate and hit his home run said, oh yeah, I was thinking about bunting in that at that.
17:21 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw where the third basement was playing realized how cold it was and said, yeah, I don't really want to run that fast and then hit it over the fence.
17:29 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
17:30 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great, uh, that's a great mindset to have if you never want to bond again.
17:33 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, it's almost like budding.
17:35 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: is a waste of time.
17:37 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Waste of time?
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Nillovate and celebrate, baby.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at what Brendan Donovan of all people did when he decided not to buy.
17:43 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: A contact first guy, Dinger.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, that was on a close line.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That homery hit on Sunday.
17:49 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Different than the Thursday homer on opening night where it was more of a skyscraper type homer.
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That ball on Sunday was a baby to right field.
17:58 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to hit the ball over the fence this weekend unless you were one of a few people.
18:03 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: because the balls guys are hitting were dying all over the place.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It was freezing cold, the wind was whipping.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The only guys who would consistently hit home runs this weekend all seemed to not really have a problem.
18:13 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Brennan on event, Dom canzone, Luke Rayley, and Chase still otter.
18:19 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the guys who had almost no issue.
18:23 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: do we want a sidetrack here for a second on chase the lottery?
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
18:27 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That was not really impressive.
18:30 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That home run he hit against Andre Spunios on Saturday and extra innings.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That he was so impressive.
18:37 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He was it was incredible.
18:39 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pitch out of the strike zone away that the lottery hits opposite field for home run in extra innings against a top 10 reliever, top five reliever in
18:53 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: on a running two steamer, I think, out of the zone, because I'm pretty sure that pitch was mid to upper 90s.
18:59 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I said when he hit that ball, we were watching live, and obviously the crowd went pretty hush and silent when it left the yard, but then seeing it on replay and seeing it on TV, watching the replay afterwards, I said, how the hell did he hit that ball over the fence?
19:15 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: How?
19:16 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: People do not hit baseballs like that for home runs against Andre's movies, especially pitches out of his own, and especially rookies, even for somebody as talented as Chase the Latter.
19:25 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: This was technically his debut, too, because he debuted in the playoffs last year, but it doesn't count as your major league debut.
19:32 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So in his first regular season series, Chase the Latter crushed the Seattle Mariners.
19:38 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope Mooney's not beaten him up to, I hope Mooney is not beating himself up too much over that because he shouldn't.
19:44 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't make a bad pitch.
19:46 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it was probably exactly where it was supposed to be.
19:48 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a tip of the cap to the lottery and said that was an unbelievable swing.
19:53 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just, he's just kind of tip your cap to that.
19:55 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those situations where obviously you can be frustrated they lost, but for that situation, what do you say?
20:02 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You got beat in a circumstance where you just shouldn't get beat.
20:09 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope this, I assume this lineup thing that we're talking about of the mayor's versus right hand of pitchers will in some way are fashion be the theme most of the season.
20:19 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like going into the season, you looked at this lineup, he said, okay, this team is going to hit right handed pitching.
20:24 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just too many lefties who have and who give themselves in advantage versus right hand of pitchers in this lineup for them to fail.
20:34 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, like this weekend, having it be all role players essentially carry your lineup to a very, very good offense of weekend while getting nothing from your stars didn't get barely got anything from Julio Cal and Josh Nailer to have them scroll those these runs this weekend is that's a win.
20:55 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Jared Apoto, Justin Hollander have to be feeling really good about what they saw from that group of guys.
21:02 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: for context on that, switch on Twitter, tweet it this out.
21:06 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But check this out.
21:07 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So far through the first weekend, the Mariners are fourth and run scored, they're second and home runs, they're fourth and WRC plus.
21:14 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's with Cal Raleh Julio Rodriguez and Josh Nailer going three for 45 combined with 19 punchouts.
21:21 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And those are your two most impactful left-handed hitters, by the way, of those two of those three.
21:27 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What that says is, if you're hitting that well, with those guys doing nothing,
21:32 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine what happens when those guys are heading, which you know they will.
21:38 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the that's a big positive from this Mariners lineup.
21:41 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked what we saw from Cole Young as well.
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young had his three run home run.
21:46 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it overall looked good and throughout his first four games.
21:50 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise and how about Cole Young on defense too?
21:53 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a big story for this year in terms of can he clean up a little bit of the work defensively that he put out last year and what he said that he worked on a lot in the off season.
22:04 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He
22:08 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, in terms of positive from the opening weekend, starting pitching looked fine, like starting pitching gave themselves an opportunity to win these games, Mariners end up with a split.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, it's fine.
22:21 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a world-beater of a lineup for Cleveland, but given the weather and given the opportunity, the Mariners took care of business.
22:28 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any other positives that are on your mind?
22:31 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about a lot of them.
22:32 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you mentioned Rayleigh, you mentioned Cannesown, you mentioned Cole Young, Donovan.
22:38 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So those were a lot of the big ones.
22:40 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, again, the fact a lot of the either new Mariners or role player type Mariners that were asked to carry the team a bit this weekend with Julio Calenayler not putting together their best games early.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge positive.
22:55 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the rest of the season's going to look like for Cam's own.
22:57 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I still have my questions there.
22:59 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it's going to look like for Luke Rayleigh, who has to stay healthy and has been very sporadic in his career and you know he's a streaky player.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to have to see.
23:08 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But through the first weekend, you got to be excited.
23:10 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to be happy about it.
23:11 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to see that there's at least some potential there and see where it goes from there.
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Another positive was the environment for me.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the whole weekend it was great.
23:22 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I, the, the buy-in is there for the team.
23:25 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I put out the post on,
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: on Thursday morning.
23:29 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about it a little bit on Friday's podcast, but I'll just bring it back up again, where it's everyone knows the everyone knows the expectation for this team.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very different than Mariners teams of the past.
23:41 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, your expectations of the team can be different, but that can't, doesn't mean you can't be an optimist.
23:48 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that lined up pretty much with everyone we talked to over the weekend.
23:54 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked to a lot of fans out at the ballpark, but even besides the people we talked to.
23:58 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just thinking about looking out at the crowd and seeing the reactions, seeing unvested people are and watching all the pitches, that's kind of the vibe I got, positivity and an investment from this weekend.
24:11 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: lovesing the crowds, lovesing people fired up because when there's good baseball on town, it's as fun as anything.
24:17 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And to see the whole city bought in is awesome.
24:19 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say I think there's also a lot of fans we talk to that are a little scared of the expectations.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That was actually one of my takeaways.
24:27 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are excited.
24:28 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's also fans that almost don't know how to internally process expectations like this.
24:34 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're afraid to let their guard down because they think, well, given the history of the mariners, this doesn't vote well, especially when they have high expectation.
24:42 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a little bit of, I think most people are very excited and very bought it.
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there's a little bit of, please don't let me down.
24:54 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:54 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
24:55 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But my counter argument for that usually is like, would you rather be like guarded and not as happy watching baseball or less guarded and more happy?
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd rather be more happy.
25:08 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying from people we talk to this weekend, you can feel that people are a little
25:16 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If uncomfortable is not the right word, I'll say unfamiliar with expectations like this and don't totally know how to process it yet.
25:23 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there is a little bit of fear to it, which I understand, I think the team is gonna be really good.
25:28 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying otherwise.
25:29 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's every reason to be excited and positive about this team, because this is good on one as we've seen on paper a really long time.
25:36 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that given the history of the team, I think people naturally are just a little scared.
25:41 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Give it a little time.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I give another take away?
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I overall really liked Sunday night baseball.
25:47 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That looked great.
25:48 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the broadcast team was really good and really insightful.
25:52 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I like having Jason Benetti in the booth.
25:55 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I love having the local announcers in the booth because they actually know the teams they're talking about.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So you get to hear Ryan Rollen Smith in there, which was nice.
26:04 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Why was Adam on a video sitting on a chair in the ball pen?
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the one critique I was going to have because I'm with you.
26:11 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the rest of it was great.
26:13 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember the Booker Mobile during Monday.
26:16 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: When you had Booker McFarlane sitting on the sideline and that ridiculous Foreign, what do you call it?
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a crane crane forecliff.
26:25 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the point of him being there is versus just being in the booth Because it's not like you're on the sideline talking to the players.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You're sitting up 10 feet high on a stupid crane.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like
26:35 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's essentially what Adam on a video was doing out there.
26:37 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're sitting on a chair out in the bump and why don't you just sit in the booth and he He first of all he looked like really cold he had a blanket over him But just think of like the sequence right Benetti's like talking about the pitch sequence.
26:50 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Adam.
26:51 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you see in here?
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam pulls out his binoculars.
26:53 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well Jason, I'm I don't know.
26:55 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 300 feet away for me I have it's it's hard to get a read on it right
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the only thing, but I'm with you.
27:03 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the rest of it was great.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Benetti is one of the great play by play guys in the game.
27:08 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I love listening to him call baseball games.
27:10 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think he's a very smart baseball mind.
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So all that combined was fantastic.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know why they haven't done this more in the past.
27:18 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea of bringing in local analysts for national broadcast is so perfect and to have one from each team.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They've done it a little bit in spring training.
27:27 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But they should do it more because you're right, nobody's going to know the team like the local analyst and it gives you perspective from both sides to really inform the listeners on both sides of it about each team.
27:38 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is how you avoid having John Soltz come into the booth and have a four hour war on analytics and say, well, Logan Gilbert's striking a lot of guys out.
27:47 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But unless he throws 175 pitches and goes a complete game, it's unacceptable outing.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was perfect.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was perfect.
28:01 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's John Smoltz.
28:05 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was going to mention something that I think people realize during the game if you're unaware of this and you're a listener and the martyrs will be on Sunday night baseball again this year But you told me this, so I'm just going to forward this to the people if you have cable and you have NBC sports network and Sun and I baseball says it's only on peacock.
28:25 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it would also be on NBC sports network, right?
28:29 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're paying for cable If it's only on peacock, you'll still have it.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think
28:35 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It was on NBC Sports Network here on Sunday.
28:38 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see why not.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that wasn't exactly.
28:42 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: marketed well.
28:43 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea because they're like, you know, watch the game on peacock.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Sunday night baseball on peacock.
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, yes, you've got to go to peacock to watch it.
28:53 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm seeing, oh, no, it's it's on NBC Sports Network tonight.
28:57 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I like, oh, I had no idea.
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they could have marketed that.
29:02 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the the TV rollout has been interesting to say the least so far this season.
29:08 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to get Dimash on and have him talk about it?
29:10 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Davis has a lot of thoughts on the on the TV roll out this and that's for sure he's he's had quite a lot to say but all overall first impression of Sunday night baseball is really good.
29:22 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners were on the last ESPN Sunday night baseball in the first and be see Sunday night baseball.
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny how that works out.
29:29 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:29 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I really thought it was great.
29:31 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like the Sunday night baseball where I cast now to the negative side of the weekend.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start on the player side.
29:40 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the season over for Calen Julio?
29:42 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
29:45 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not.
29:46 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So if we're going to say that, then at least, Brennan Donovan will win American League MVP.
29:52 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Over to Lauder?
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be tough.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a tight race.
29:58 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if the season were to end today, chase the Lauder's the MVP of the American League.
30:02 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners would have the edge behind the pitching of Emerson Hancock who goes an entire season without allowing a hit or a fly ball in play.
30:10 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But what does that have to do with an MVP race?
30:13 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But because the Mariners have gotten better pitching, they're going to finish with a better record than the Guardians.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're both two and two right now.
30:23 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm making a tiebreaker right now.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: OK.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:31 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome.
30:32 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, don't know how record takes from an MVP.
30:37 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say through four games,
30:42 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my vote, my vote is going for Brennan Donovan.
30:44 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember last year, Lyle, the McGuy with the most home runs, did not win.
30:49 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's funny how that works.
30:50 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That.
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
30:54 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, if you're going to ask us whether or not we're worried about Calar Julio, not really, no, some perspective on Calar, remember his two swings to manage.
31:05 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't exactly, he like kind of missed a week during the WBC.
31:10 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he played, he didn't play in the last two games.
31:14 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They've days off in between games.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to travel to and from spring training to get there.
31:19 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of misses out on opportunities to swing the bat.
31:24 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then this first season, just this first series, he just doesn't look like he's totally on time.
31:31 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like how it doesn't swing a mess.
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not something I'm worried about.
31:35 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Julio just kind of looked like Julio and April to be honest.
31:40 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He had the game tying hit on Saturday.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
31:43 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was awesome.
31:45 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Off of, yeah, it was off of Kate Smith.
31:48 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, I thought that was off of Kate Smith.
31:51 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it was Ryan Bliss struck out against Kate Smith on Saturday.
31:55 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
31:55 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was great for Julio.
31:58 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, otherwise, I mean, they looked slow.
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, but the Mariners still scored a bunch of runs.
32:04 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It only really matters if those guys struggle if the Mariners are not scoring runs.
32:08 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the beef people have is, they struggle, Mariners offense goes into the tank, there's no depth behind them.
32:16 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners offense scores anyways, and they struggle, okay, like, there are support around them where they can work through their struggles and don't have to be eaten alive.
32:25 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's my big thing with all of this.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know those guys are going to come out of it and you know they're going to hit.
32:31 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If Julio's really, really struggling through two weeks, maybe the April Julio conversation begins, but you can't do it through four games.
32:39 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's four games.
32:40 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be four games stretches in June or August where Julio struggles.
32:45 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the overall sample is so small that that's all you have to look at right now and you're looking at a season numbers through four games.
32:52 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It Julio's got an 870 OPS in August, but he has four games where he puts out the numbers he put out against the Guardians.
33:00 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't bet night because his overall season stamps, his overall season sample and numbers would be great.
33:07 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's just too early in the air.
33:09 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's cold here in Seattle, whether it's not great, hitting weather's not great.
33:14 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna face the Yankees for three games who have really good pitchers, but then the Mariners gonna day off and they get to go to Anaheim, where it will be not only warmer, but there will be facing pitchers that are not as good.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe let's get them there.
33:29 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They can get a few good swings off.
33:31 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they go to Anaheim and then they go to Texas and then they'll come home for a few and go on the road to San Diego.
33:37 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have some warm weather games in April.
33:39 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like they'll be in the cold forever.
33:42 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But then they'll go to Minnesota at the end of April and it'll probably snow.
33:45 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're by the end of April, I feel like by then it starts to warm up.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You think?
33:51 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know.
33:53 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: When they opened the season against the twins for Julio's debut in 22, that was late March, that was cold.
33:59 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I guess it was early April that year.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Late April, I think it should be okay.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And that opening day got snowed out.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:07 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes it did.
34:09 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, let's get to the big conversation that Lyle's been waiting for.
34:14 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, me, I think- Oh, okay, sorry, both of us, but we wanted to know
34:22 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: getting our first few games in our belt, whether or not there would be any change in the decision-making process of Dan Wilson and the Mariners coaching staff.
34:32 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Through four games, it looked exactly the same.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly the same.
34:40 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And that feels like a problem, doesn't it?
34:43 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be an overreaction Monday statement because just like the players, you've got to see a full season of games or you've got to see more of a sample of games.
34:51 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But through four games, when you're seeing the exact same thing, happen in 26 as you didn't 25 with the decisions.
35:02 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What that ends up saying is, it feels to me like the Dan and the Mariners coaching staff look at it as there is actually nothing wrong with what we did and how we managed our bullpen last year, which is just not true.
35:16 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There were problems all across the board throughout the year and during the playoffs.
35:20 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only four games, but four games of decision-making is a little different than four days or four games of hitting or pitching, because it's, again, hit or hits a pitcher pitches, sometimes you just get beat, but decisions, you know, you're not playing, it's a process made.
35:39 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you see a couple of the things go down that happen this weekend, it just doesn't seem like there was any internal.
35:48 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: steps forward that were made to improve on the decisions.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll say it one more time.
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an overreaction Monday that we're putting out there because we're doing this through four games.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it does get better two weeks from now or a month from now.
36:02 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But man through four games.
36:05 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a feeling out process with a roster in a season like that these are the first four games they've played were you're not rolling out guys that are going to play the season in the minors and that you're you are managing to win the game and sometimes you just have to Sometimes you just need some repetition with the roster as well.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But also some of the things that we saw were just, you're right, they just kind of looked the exact same.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, there's something missing.
36:31 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
36:31 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Rob Raff Snyder starts on Saturday and he's in the lead off spot, which was fantastic.
36:36 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what we wanted.
36:38 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to start Rob Raff Snyder against a lefty starter and move him as far up in the lineup as you possibly can because that's his strength.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They did.
36:47 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But our friend Jason Churchill called the exact scenario that happened on Saturday where Rob Reff Snyder is is leading off against the lefty starter Joey Cantillo and Reff Snyder gets two plate appearances.
37:03 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But before his third one, but were the fourth inning even ends.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Reft Snyder gets pulled from the game for Dom Canzone.
37:09 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The manners were in a situation where I believe it was too on in two outs.
37:14 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: In the fourth inning, mind you, fourth inning.
37:17 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And Dan decided to go to Dom Canzone on the bench instead of Rob Reft Snyder.
37:23 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Kenzone can't get the job done.
37:25 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So you pull the Rob Reft center out of the game for Dom Kenzone to get one at bat in the fourth inning of like the third game of the season.
37:34 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:34 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this isn't October.
37:36 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the third game of the season.
37:40 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Now this process in theory works if Dom Kenzone comes through to your point of players got to play sometimes you get beat.
37:50 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But the thing comes all the way around, later in the game, where Koliung doubles to lead off the 9th inning against Cade Smith, and instead of Rob Raff Snyder at the plate, with an opportunity to drive Koliung in, it's Ryan Bliss.
38:05 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well,
38:06 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Refts that are would not have been in there against Kate Smith right on right in the night that ain't that's not the issue But if they didn't if they didn't have another lefty on the bench it would have been because that like that's the scenario We're playing here if there's no lefty left on the bench and you're choosing the right handed bad of Rob ref snider versus Ryan Bliss You too choose ref snider, but there would have been another lefty on the bench This is the point by putting Dom canzone in the game in the fourth inning and then burning him later
38:33 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You've already burned through a big portion of your bench.
38:36 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reff said he was taking one bat against the right-handed pitcher in the fourth inning of the third game of the year.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Really feels okay to me.
38:44 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Rob Reff said there is not great against Reides.
38:46 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2024 he was actually perfectly fine, he had about a 730 OPS against Reides two years ago.
38:52 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year it was a little lower.
38:54 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not like he can't take end at bat against the righty.
38:58 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is when you burn through rough cider in the fourth inning, you can't use cansone or Rayleigh later in the game, because you've already burned through them.
39:07 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of using cansone in the ninth inning to go right on left, in a situation that's going to be crucial, you burn through so much of your bench that now you've got right and blessed in the game in a tieball game in the ninth inning against Capesmith with the winning run on second or the tiger on second base.
39:24 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: regardless of who if it would have been ref Snyder if there is no one in the bench or it was can't zone and there was someone on the bench yet the process of that was not great the the the managing of situations of the game was was not great I don't think ref Snyder was ever going to be in the game in the ninth against the right that's not what I'm getting at well I was just saying if the exact same scenario played out with no one left on the bench that was all about whether you'd rather have ref Snyder or
39:53 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
39:54 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's a perfect scenario for Dom or Rayleigh to pinch hit there.
39:59 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But they've already been burned because in the fourth inning, they decided to immediately start putting in all the lefties.
40:07 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just a game three thing and a guardian thing.
40:10 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with doing that is there's going to be a lot of teams where you might get the first bullpen out of relief being a righty, but there could be tougher lefties coming in later.
40:20 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And when that's the case, revsiders should be left in.
40:23 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're going to have to use guys on your bench, or sorry, if you're going to be an opposing team and use a left-handed reliever later in the game,
40:33 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I want refsider in there because if he takes one abat against the righty and then gets an abat later in the game against the lefty and a tough lefty reliever, it's worth it.
40:41 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Or just by him still being in the game, you take refsider or you would take that reliever out because said team doesn't want lefty facing refsider and then you go to a weaker arm.
40:53 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but to pull him that early, doesn't make any sense.
40:57 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that part definitely did not make any sense.
40:59 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the situation with the bullpen in the seventh inning where they go to Gabe Spire, a batter two late and Steven Quang, gives the Guardians that third run, which the Mariners would have walked off in the night thinning if they did have that third run.
41:12 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it was the bottom of, it was Bazardo against the bottom of the Guardians lineup.
41:16 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Spire is warming, but Kwan faces Bazarto, and gets the go ahead single, and then Spire comes in for chase to Lotter.
41:24 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But if Spire is coming in for De Lotter, why is he not coming in for Steven Kwan, who's much worse against lefties than he is against righties.
41:32 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Steven Kwan last year against Rites put up a 764 OPS and against lefties had a 581 OPS.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't hit lefties.
41:43 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't and that was the pivot point of the whole game.
41:46 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You had two outs with runners on in a tie ball game and you had to get out of that inning.
41:53 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: and it wasn't fired to come into that game there.
41:56 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a result, again, quantics the lead and what ended up being the deciding run because of Julio hits that single in the ninth in that scenario, they win it, they don't tie it, they win it.
42:07 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you never know that.
42:08 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no delater home run.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, then there are three and one right now.
42:14 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I look, I know it's early in the year.
42:19 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: but to not have Gabe's buyer go into that game to face the lefty to get out of that situation doesn't make much sense to me.
42:27 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, he came in a battery later to your point.
42:30 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very, very, the situation is very light version of it, but it's a very light version of the Carrie Carpenter, the thing that drove us so crazy.
42:41 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe came into that game later in the Tiger series to face lefties.
42:47 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: but not in the fifth inning.
42:49 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He came into a, not in the biggest situation of the game.
42:52 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
42:52 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Where when you have one of the best relievers against lefties and baseball and games fire and a guy that's so much worse against lefties and Steven Quant, he has got to be in that game.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the reason was while we were getting him hopped, he wasn't ready, then my counterpoint to that is why wasn't he ready?
43:07 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Why wasn't he up?
43:09 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They had essentially two batters to warm him up.
43:12 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So Bizarro got the first two outs quickly
43:19 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mel, like, maybe after, and like, you shouldn't really thought is like, you don't think Bazarto is gonna walk that third batter of the inning.
43:29 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as you walk, it's like, okay, now the top of the line up might come up.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's it.
43:35 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not excuse.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
43:36 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But I still think as a manager, you have to be ready for that in advance.
43:40 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You know that top of the line up is coming up and despite Bazarto getting the first two out, in advance, you have to say, okay, if he does not get out of this,
43:49 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe has to come in to face the top of the lineup with a bunch of lefties.
43:52 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be up and ready just in case if Bizarro gets out of it, great.
43:56 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He keeps warming up, he pitches the next inning.
43:58 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't get out of it, Spire has to be used right there to go get quant.
44:03 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, quant got the way that are matchup and made him pay.
44:06 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And these pictures, by the way, as I'm saying all this, they don't need that much to warm up.
44:10 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the average reliever needs five pitches in the bullpen to warm up.
44:14 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Gabe himself told us it does not take him long to get high.
44:18 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
44:18 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And they also get time on the field to warm up.
44:21 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So you do four in the pen and then you throws eight more on the field and then he's hot.
44:28 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, like, it's the process that just has to get improved as time goes on.
44:33 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people would tell us last year when the stuff would drive us crazy.
44:36 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They would say, well, Dan's a first-year manager, you have to let him learn.
44:39 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He has to get time.
44:40 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the narrative now?
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not a first-year manager.
44:43 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He had an entire offseason to figure out what he liked doing and what he didn't like doing, and what he wants to change in year two.
44:49 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe things do change.
44:51 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But through the first weekend, it doesn't look like anything has, which is what worries me, because when nothing's changed in terms of a decision-making process, it makes me think that they believe nothing they did last year was wrong.
45:04 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though we saw things unplayed the wrong way, and we saw it play out the wrong way in the first weekend.
45:11 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And church says, people don't talk about this enough in.
45:15 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we get in?
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about it.
45:18 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It just continues to be a story.
45:22 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say this on a scale of one to carry carpenter, this situation's about a four.
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the scale I'm going to use for that this year, by the way.
45:30 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: For anybody that wants to follow along, that is going to be the scale I use this year when we talk about these decisions.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: One to carry carpenter.
45:37 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the official Marine Layer Pod Scale.
45:40 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and the other situations this weekend like there were some but the Saturday was the Saturday was the one circled in red marker.
45:48 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we talked about it on Friday's podcast, but there was also not intentionally walking Jose Ramirez to have Gabe go left on left with Kyle Manzardo.
45:58 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: To which Gabe, again, as I said on the podcast is a top 10 reliever and baseball
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: upset like there's just not as much of a case that one.
46:09 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Gabe would have told you he should get him out.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I also agree with Gabe that he should just get him out.
46:14 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure
46:15 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right that it was more about Saturday, yanking refs that are early, not going to spire for Stephen Kwan.
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the one that's going to be highlighted a lot more.
46:23 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And we now know the reason for Casey Legimina and Cooper Chris while getting so much run this weekend is because they've been down Carlos Farkas.
46:30 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And now those guys get shifted up essentially a roll as reliever Chris Cole Wilcox is now in the Mariners Bowlpen.
46:36 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Who actually look pretty good in this one, having.
46:39 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to go back and watch that.
46:40 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get to watch it.
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
46:44 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I really just hope this can get improved over time as the year goes on.
46:51 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw it a lot of last year, we certainly saw it in the playoffs, and as players continue to grow and develop and get better, you would hope manager than coaching staffs due to.
47:01 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But through the first weekend, oh, again, I did not like the writing on the wall.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't.
47:09 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you assume there is an evaluation after every series in every game about decisions and how they went and I'm hoping I don't know anything, well, I don't know anything, but I'm hoping that there's some evaluation, especially after Saturday about what could be done better and how it's going to be improved going forward.
47:31 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope so.
47:31 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, there are also a lot of new guys on this coaching staff this year that you would
47:40 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, somebody made us a graphic about Lyle's anger meter and delusion meter involving a Kyle Tucker signing, with some, a fan showed us the graphic he made this weekend.
47:51 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we posted it on our Instagram story and we tweeted out because I thought it was hilarious.
47:55 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody wants to make us a graphic of one-to-carry carpenter and a marine layer pod scale for both end decisions,
48:02 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Feel free to use it.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Feel free to send it to us.
48:05 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll scale it back and forth and swing it back and forth on the pendulum as the year goes on for how crazy we're driven by a decision.
48:13 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, first weekend, about a four.
48:15 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We are not a carry carpenter, but four because there's a little bit of a alarm.
48:21 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the carry, is the one where we're gonna get to carry carpenter, gonna have a cut out of your face on it that's like colored red with an explosion behind it.
48:31 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I figured it could be just as simple as Carrie Carpenter's face, but sure if somebody wants to get creative like that, go for it.
48:38 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, well, I guess we'll see it's going to be up to whoever, whoever makes it.
48:42 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So, good luck.
48:43 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's your task.
48:44 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Before Wednesday's podcast.
48:46 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody wants to make us that graphic for this year.
48:48 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Fireaway, man.
48:50 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the Kyle Tucker thing was hilarious this weekend.
48:53 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What, the side photo of him and his lack of chin?
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well.
48:59 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess they're just meant the graphic, but yeah, I just that was also floating around this weekend a thoughts on that while He should be in right field in Seattle Yeah, he doesn't need a chin to hit here.
49:10 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I Was a little caught a little off guard.
49:14 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize Yeah, I didn't realize his face face shape was like that
49:20 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: but that is my take on that photo is, he should be in right field in Seattle.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know, the photo was very funny.
49:26 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It says, Lyle's Brain, Colin, Kyle Tucker signing, and there's a blue area, a yellow area, and a red area.
49:33 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Red area is max meltdown, and then there's a little area at the bottom that says, day since last meltdown, zero.
49:41 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good.
49:42 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds pretty accurate.
49:44 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, can somebody one up it with a one-to-care carboner scale?
49:48 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Can somebody make the graphic?
49:50 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be great.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to you guys if somebody makes it.
49:53 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But is that about all our takeaways from the first weekend?
49:56 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if I have anything else.
49:58 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like again, the starting rotation was fine.
50:01 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of Emerson, I don't know if we'd learned anything.
50:03 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The bullpen was, is what it is, what it is, the biggest thing about the bullpen was the decisions.
50:09 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And the lineup was great against right handers and they're one start against the lefty.
50:13 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They put up their worst performance.
50:15 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though the lefty cantilever didn't even throw that much, so that was sort of just one off.
50:21 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'd like to see more of the Mariners vs. lefty starters and see how that line up shakes out.
50:27 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I wouldn't be surprised at some point if they try and throw Garver in there against the lefty as well off the bench.
50:33 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess we'll see, that's we only got four games to talk about, so there's only so much.
50:38 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well,
50:39 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get another look at a lefty on Monday because they're going to get Ryan Weathers and then on Tuesday, they're going to get max freed, another lefty.
50:45 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then on Wednesday, they'll close out with Cam Schlittler, who's a righty.
50:49 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would bet you in one of the next two games, you'll probably see Garver.
50:52 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You will probably see Garver catch one of those games and CalDH.
50:56 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get a lot of, we're going to get a lot of Rob Raff Snyder, too, which I'm excited.
51:00 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is another reason why I was bummed on Saturday, we barely saw him.
51:09 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's we'll see hopefully 18 innings of Rob Rephsider these next two days and the Yankees have Lefty relievers, right?
51:18 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got some decent ones or is it all righties?
51:22 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know why these.
51:22 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why these.
51:24 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because name a lefty Yankees reliever.
51:26 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess you're right.
51:27 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's you know, Benar J. Bird Fernando Cruz Camilo D'Oval.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have a lot of righties.
51:32 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe in that scenario you'd see
51:37 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Reftsnotter get pulled early, but again, in case you face another lefty later, just in general, I would hope you'd stay in the game longer.
51:45 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe 16 or maybe 12 to 14 innings of Rob Reftsnotter.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, maybe three of that.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: three at bats a piece.
51:54 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if he's in the game longer, that also probably means the starters are doing good.
51:57 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, right, but it's not even just rough snutter hitting against the lefties.
52:00 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, Julio's going to have a platoon advantage against the lefty.
52:03 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Cow was amazing against left handed pitching last year.
52:06 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy Rosarena is at his biggest advantage against the left handed starter, so.
52:12 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: like those are the guys as we said it's we're making our case does this team have a problem against left hand at pitching will they have a problem against left hand at pitching this year it's like no they have Cal Julio and Randy and Rob Raff Snyder.
52:23 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well he's you know there's going to be a big a big a big test here to to go do that and prove that they can do it and hopefully Rob ladies can do a little damage against lefties too because truthfully on Saturday he actually did pretty well.
52:37 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah he did so we'll see.
52:40 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Robles on Saturday ended up with, yeah, two hits.
52:44 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he does job on Saturday.
52:45 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully they can provide some spark.
52:48 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would say through the first weekend, those are some of the store lines.
52:52 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how they continue to unfold and progress as the year goes on.
52:56 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And as we roll into this week, bring on the Yankees.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what they got.
53:00 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Should be fun.
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