Lyle and TJ react to Colt Emerson inking an 8-year extension with the Mariners. They discuss how it came together (2:30), the pros & cons (12:32), and how it impacts the vibe of the current roster (37:23).
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00:00 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 384 of the Marine Layer, podcast, big breaking news in the Mariners world, the Mariners in Colt Emerson to an eight-year contract.
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01:00 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday evening March 31st How about that while that was not something I was expecting to see once the season started but Colt Emerson will be a mariner for at least the next eight seasons.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: How about it.
01:22 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Major Bagular Colt Emerson.
01:26 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do we think Colt Emerson's first purchases?
01:32 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: groceries I can't imagine from everything like we've come to know about Colt Emerson that he's gonna go out and like He's gonna go buy like a Porsche or something or he's gonna he's gonna go buy some like lakefront property on Lake Washington
01:52 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think Colt your right is going to like, maybe he'll go from he'll go from shopping in like just like a nice good New York strip steak he'll like he'll instead go like up to the butcher in the grocery store and he'll ask for like the A5 Wagyu they have sitting in the back like that will be Colt Emerson's version of a sports purchase.
02:13 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not in the Oregon anymore, and we loved him.
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a friend of the pod.
02:17 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you were going to ask me what Tai Pete would do with a contract extension like that, if he were to get something like that, I would say, yeah, you'd buy a car, he'd probably buy some new, like a new watch.
02:27 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Things like that, because Tai was into that sort of stuff, he was into accessories.
02:31 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not saying it's a bad thing.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a bad thing at all.
02:34 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Tai Pete had interest outside of baseball.
02:37 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he had gotten that money, I would have said, yeah.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson?
02:41 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I honestly, he might just save it all.
02:45 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He might save it all.
02:46 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, I got to be able to spend some money when I retire.
02:50 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, you know, you got a pension.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Major League Baseball of that, but they pay you.
02:55 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the player's association is an awesome thing.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Players union, awesome thing.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You got a lot of benefits, man.
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
03:03 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Cole Demerson and I mean this in the best of ways.
03:06 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: From the time we've gotten to spend around him, it's very, very clear that he is about his business, he is locked in, he is a worker, he is in the zone, he's focused just who he is.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not all that.
03:20 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: worried or interested in a bunch of the outside noise and a bunch of other things outside of baseball.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He has focused on baseball.
03:27 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It honestly is just the perfect culmination of all of it that when asked if you wanted to have a press conference held about his extension, he said, no, I'm just going to play in the game today.
03:38 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to miss my game.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to play in the game instead.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to go play.
03:41 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a statement.
03:43 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the most cold Emerson thing ever.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's compare and contrast because this is relevant.
03:49 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll come up and we'll talk about this a little bit more when we dive more into this.
03:55 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hypothetically say Jared Kelnick had accepted that extension the Mariners offered him.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You think he's playing in baseball gamers holding the press downwards?
04:03 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I don't know because Kelnick was so locked in and in the zone too, just in a different way.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It was almost two intends.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But he would like the tension.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he liked the tension.
04:16 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He did.
04:19 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't blame him if he took a press conference, I mean, the dude just signed a contract for $100 million hypothetically, and he would essentially with this contract be labeled as the next face of franchise.
04:31 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there will be a point at the end of Cold Emerson's contract, where it's his team.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not who it is.
04:37 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not cows.
04:38 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I like there's a pretty good chance, right?
04:40 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Because once Colt gets to the end of his eight-year contract, let's say Colt's in your seven or your eight of this deal.
04:47 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Colt Emerson's gonna be in his prime at 28.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's gonna be, well, 34.
04:52 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: 3334 who knows how good who is going to be at h3334 maybe his athleticism in bat or still there Maybe it's not you don't know cow rally certainly won't be what cow rally is today at that point He but cow arguably while might be close to retirement at this point So like that's like that's something you think about the cow rally would be almost 40 by the time that that happens because what cows 29
05:18 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so by the end of Colts contract in eight to nine years, he'll be 30, seven, 38 years old.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Catchers are tired of them.
05:25 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's cold time or it would be cold Emerson's team at that point.
05:29 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't blame cold Emerson if he's like, yeah, this would be cool.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: This cool to sit up here and take a press conference.
05:34 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: As you said, it's very cold Emerson to say, ah, just kind of rather play play in a baseball game tonight in AAA.
05:41 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I would go up to Seattle and take a press conference because, probably also realizes, hey, like I haven't made it yet.
05:49 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the Mariners are kind of saying with us too.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he hasn't made it yet.
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still going to play him to coma a little bit.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't made it yet.
05:55 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to instead go prove myself before I have any press conferences at the big league level.
05:59 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There are like what four things that Cole Emerson that we can tell really really cares about that he has made public to the rest of us.
06:08 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What he cares about.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He cares about baseball.
06:12 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he married or fiancé or girlfriend do you remember?
06:16 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it means in a relationship.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: His significant other.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he cares a lot about that.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Cares a lot about his faith.
06:22 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And he cares about cooking.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You could not family into that too, but yeah.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: A family too, yeah.
06:28 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Family and significant others can probably be in the same.
06:32 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as like we can tell from our conversations with Cole Demerson and everything we could observe, and I remember talking to Joe Doyle about when they drafted Cole Demerson.
06:41 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, Cole Demerson's fine eating turkey and mayo on a plain turkey and mayo sandwich and playing baseball the rest of his life.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just like who Cole Demerson is.
06:52 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He likes what he likes and that's literally it.
06:57 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: it's funny because we've talked about it he actually can be very personal and very fun when we had him on the podcast last year when he was an ever it and we've talked to him in settings away from the podcast too he's actually very fun and a really good conversation he's a pretty good talker and he's very insightful for twenty-year-old but you get him between those lines or he's in a situation where he's got stuff to do and I mean or he's got baseball activities to work on
07:23 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: zoned in.
07:24 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when we saw Cole in spring training, we had a few words with him in passing basically.
07:29 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But usually when we'd see him around the complex, he has got stuff that is on his schedule.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he is not a chitchatter.
07:38 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one station to the next because he's got a
07:41 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a process and he's got a routine and he sticks to it and there's not much that can kind of interfere with it And we'll usually try it for example.
07:50 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's spring training We will try and like wave to guys that they see us and they're looking up and we make eye contact So, oh, it's like what's up, Everston?
07:56 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Hancock good to see you like great how are you how how do you feel yesterday out on the mound Colt like when he's walking around He's he's looking down at the ground with his sunglasses on Walking in a brisk pace
08:11 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You could go.
08:12 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So cool, I was like, self-guess.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep talking.
08:16 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not like, it's not a facetious thing.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, no, it's how we do it.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, how we do it.
08:22 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's all in the best of ways of when cold summers and has things to do.
08:26 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Baseball related things.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not much that's going to get in his way.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to go play baseball.
08:32 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If we try and ask him a question, like, he'll answer it, but he's still walking to the door.
08:36 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And once he gets to the door, he's going through the door.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
08:40 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's just what Cold Emerson is and that's the kind of guy you want to give this money to I can get overarching theme of this is that this is going to be a win for both sides In if there's like this situation where Cold Emerson crashes out in spectacular fashion I'd be pretty surprised if Cold Emerson is just a good major league baseball player the value of this contract is a win Yeah
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course.
09:09 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's a two to three win player, which I think he's going to be better than that.
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If he was a two to three win player, this entire contract, the contract is worth it.
09:18 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Colt Amerson is going to make at face value $96 million over eight years.
09:26 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: One war is said to be worth roughly about $8 million.
09:29 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So if we're called to Emerson to live up to this contract, he essentially has to put up 12 wins above replacement in eight years, which is barely over a win per season.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd have to put up.
09:40 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's a two to three win player, he more than exceeds the value of this contract.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And let me say it again.
09:44 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he is going to absolutely be better than that.
09:48 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying the bar set to exceed the value of this contract.
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that high?
09:52 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Which makes the contract pretty safe in my mind.
09:55 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The total he needs to exceed the value of the max value of this contract, which is $130 million over nine years.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He needs 18 war in nine years.
10:07 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: To when it's exactly on the dot, two wins a year to make up this contract.
10:13 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say he could do that, especially when you play shortstop.
10:17 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If Colt Emerson is a league average defender at shortstop, he is going to accumulate at minimum if he plays 150 games a year, a war and a half, by just playing average shortstop defense, doesn't even matter if he hits.
10:32 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a league average hitter, a league average defender, he'll be worth two wins of ever placement at shortstop.
10:41 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So why not, if you're the Mariners and Colt Emerson is willing to listen to you on a contract, why not?
10:51 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: From what it sounded like, the deal came together very quickly that, I think, I was listening to a past and on Brock and South this morning as you are, because you're working on the show.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But past and was saying that, or I think you're mentioning,
11:08 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: that I mean passing usually is the one who breaks news.
11:11 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But like when something like this happens so fast, he didn't even get the opportunity to.
11:17 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was our guy Robert Murray breaking the news.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Shut up.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:22 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So when something like this comes together so fast, you need to have open minds on all sides.
11:28 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can imagine why Colt Emerson is open minded.
11:30 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad he's open minded to it and not thinking too far down the road and thinking, Hey, if a best case scenario happens for me here, I'm going to make $300 million.
11:40 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think Colt Emerson's thinking about that very much.
11:44 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, he can still make $300 million.
11:48 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if he's as good as we think he's going to be, when he's a free agent after this contract, which he'd still be about 29 years old.
11:56 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He can make more than enough money by the time that rolls around.
11:59 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, seriously, if he's as good as we think he's going to be, his value is absolutely going to be 30 plus million dollars a year on the open market.
12:07 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're cold down, or send, you're thinking to yourself, for the next decade, I am secure.
12:12 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to worry about a contract, and I can lock it in play baseball, not have to worry about anything else.
12:16 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I wanted to tell you, if I'm not good, rea.
12:20 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to dive a little bit more into this.
12:22 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about reasons on both side.
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13:46 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with the Colt Emerson side of this and then we can talk about the team dynamic, how this affects other players on the Mariners.
13:52 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many layers we can talk about with this.
13:54 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with Colt.
13:56 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: List me some reasons why Colt Emerson thinks this contract is a good idea.
14:02 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, he gets a hundred million dollars at 20 years old.
14:06 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: When we're sitting at Arizona State, not trying in our classes and broadcasting games and hanging out with our friends doing like typical college stuff, if you were to tell us, we were going to get a hundred million dollars in our sophomore year of college.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: What was you do?
14:24 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, take it.
14:25 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would take it and run.
14:27 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone should have offered you a hundred million dollars for your performance in I am softball.
14:35 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I was a sick I am softball player.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They use pretty good.
14:39 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle is in the lowest league in the wrong of leagues, Lyle is the best player.
14:46 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously it's slow pitch, so it's coming in nice and easy.
14:50 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the first bat, I legitimately obliterated one, like way, way, way over the left fielder's head.
14:57 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It was over 350 feet easily.
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know about that, that's a long way to hit us off all, but it went a long way.
15:04 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely went a lot.
15:04 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It might have been 300 plus feet, regardless.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Should show cult that that's how it's done.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Hand me a hundred million dollars.
15:11 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody can square up a baseball or softball in this case.
15:15 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the top reasons for me.
15:18 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Why cult Emerson took this?
15:19 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The money is great.
15:20 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the raw number of seeing a hundred million dollars.
15:24 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty easy to say yes to a special and you've never debuted.
15:28 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But now cult Emerson doesn't have to negotiate a contract for a literally almost a decade.
15:34 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to go to a single arbitration hearing, he doesn't have to be a free agent until he's 29 years old, potentially.
15:42 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, for everything we just described in the first segment talking about Colt Emerson, that sounds like exactly what he wants.
15:51 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This man wants a process for the next nine years, potentially, if the Mariners pick up that team option, where he's going to wake up in late January, early February.
16:02 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to go to the Mariners facility.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get ready for six weeks.
16:07 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to play at Team Opel Park for six months, and then he's going to go in his off season.
16:11 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to be it.
16:11 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's going to repeat that for nearly 10 years.
16:14 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't need to worry about anything.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
16:17 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a few endorsements here and there.
16:19 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But the man is just going to show up and play baseball for the next nearly 10 years for the Seattle Mariners.
16:25 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a dream for him.
16:27 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: to reiterate what we were saying, and to what you were just saying, that sounds like exactly what he wants.
16:31 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he wants any part of all the outside noise.
16:34 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.
16:36 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are currently in extension talks, or at least it was reported they've been in extension talks at some point in the last few months, with both Brian, Wu, and Logan Gilbert.
16:45 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hovering because those guys have not signed extensions.
16:47 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's TVD of either of them will.
16:50 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson does not have to deal with any of that, especially as he gets closer and closer to free agency.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't have to think about it.
16:57 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Colt Emerson was the type of person and I'm not saying he is, but if he was the type of person where he didn't have this contract and he was getting closer to free agency.
17:06 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the pressure really starts to be on and on and on about needing to perform to make sure he gets his max contract.
17:15 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not saying it would affect him, but on some guys, that really can't have an effect.
17:20 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Look what happened above is shut the year before his walkier.
17:23 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it was all because of performance and worrying about a contract because he was injured back in 2024.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But these things do happen.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Down years happen, injuries happen.
17:34 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the valuation of your contract starts to come in question to teams, to agents, et cetera.
17:41 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Colts not going to worry about a single part of that.
17:43 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not.
17:44 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He might worry about it again when he gets toward the end of this one, but at the absolutely he's got a hundred million dollars in his back pocket for life.
17:51 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And all he has to do to your point is go out and play.
17:55 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not going to have a single worry in the world about having to think about money or contracts or arbitration.
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just going to play baseball.
18:04 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The second note I wrote down is that the money he's going to net in this contract is going to be roughly the amount he would make throughout the rookie scale anyways throughout those six years.
18:18 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in total for a position player unless he turns into Bobby Witt Jr, which would be great and then which case you'd be leaving money on the table.
18:28 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But like raw money numbers, with some of these incentives to get up to $130 million, you would think, per year, in the next nine years, Colt Emerson would net $130 million no matter what, unless he turned into like a $50 million player.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he gonna net that out?
18:47 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I was told all everywhere online that the new million new million airs tax drives everybody broke.
18:52 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson's not gonna have a fan of the new his name.
18:55 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, I know what.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess he wouldn't earn all that.
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Not in not in Washington apparently.
19:00 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, the the big thing is that no one was going to sign.
19:05 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, nobody's going to sign.
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson not going to sign.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Jansson.
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, never sign a contract.
19:09 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
19:10 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here they are.
19:11 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: To think Cold Emerson knew that
19:17 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly who knows again, the man so focused on baseball That's fair point.
19:22 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly like I feel like that's not even something he thinks about But we didn't even talk about like the money numbers of that of that contract Well, we're talking about the the total amount so he gets the signing goes to say of eight million dollars He starts Lyle as a rookie Here's where probably some of the some of the bonus comes in this series gonna make a million dollars in salary
19:45 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Great, so he's getting a pay bump and he's going to get a pay bump next year to two million dollars and then in your three when he should be making 800, 900 dollars as a rookie Cole Emerson's going to be making nine million dollars Yeah Well, again, there's a little bit of a bump there and then he's going to get an AAV of 15 million dollars for the final five years of the contract
20:12 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: look at how much money that is compared to the first three years of a pre-art player where you're getting $750 a year.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of money.
20:21 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, we've seen other players get extensions like this, not even just pre-day view, but guys that have shortly debuted and then gotten some real money.
20:30 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There is real incentive to the players to take this money because at a young age, you get guaranteed cash up front and are set for life already with the chance to
20:40 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: the re-exit or more, the next time you hit free agency.
20:44 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my last point I wrote down here for why this would be a, why this is a yes for Cold Emerson and why he would do it, is because the man is still going to hit free agency.
20:53 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If he chooses to do so at age 29 or 30, I don't know exactly, I think it would be 29.
20:59 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And free agent short stops in their prime at age 29 hitting free agency, last ice check
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So this honestly, it doesn't hinder him at all.
21:11 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The only way this would hinder Colt Emerson is if he were to note stension.
21:17 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He was gonna play the six at this point for where he'll get called up, it would be seven years of his rookie scale.
21:24 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He would hit free agency, he'd sign a three year high AAV deal, net all that money, and that hit free agency again, like Mani Machado for example.
21:34 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit free agency again and get another big contract.
21:37 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: and then right off into the sunset, netting yourself essentially an extra 150 to 200 million dollars.
21:44 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: In this case, Colt Emerson gets the 100 million up front and then he could potentially get 300 million on the back end if everything goes well.
21:52 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's probably a win for him.
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
21:55 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of reasons to want to take that contract if you're Colt Emerson.
21:58 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very glad he did.
22:00 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some Mariners and Senives here too for why this has been official, right?
22:05 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, number one, at least they get some positive PR of signing someone to an extension, because all we had heard of to this point is that they didn't extend anyone else.
22:17 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And it probably wasn't the guy everybody had in mind for an extension.
22:20 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: When you're thinking about extensions, I'm guessing where people's minds go is one of the pictures, or maybe Brendan Donovan.
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Colt Emerson was on people's minds.
22:29 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He certainly was not on my mind for somebody that could be extended.
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Not to say it doesn't make sense.
22:33 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
22:37 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it, what's a good way to think about this?
22:41 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, was it top of, if you were to ask like the average Mariners fan, who you'd want to sign?
22:47 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 100% with you that it wouldn't be cold Emerson.
22:50 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'd ask the Mariners this question, do you think with all of these guys on your roster that still need to be extended, is it the right move to extend someone who's not played a single majorly game?
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you believe in who he's gonna be as a player, yes.
23:07 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they do, they wouldn't have offered him $100 million if that was the case.
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and think about the guys they've extended.
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even just the talent.
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they really believe in the people they extend.
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Goldie was talking about it a little bit tonight on the broadcast.
23:24 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's absolutely right.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the types of guys they've extended.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Muno's got a really small extension, but again, you don't need us to tell you for the million time.
23:32 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to be one of the best human beings you'd ever meet.
23:35 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis Castillo, beloved in that clubhouse, beloved by his teammates and coaches, extended, Julio, arguably the face of the franchise, hammer cow, pick whoever you want, beloved, believes like Mariners fully believe in the person, believe in the work ethic, believe in the future, extended, cow rally, essentially captain of the team, extended, like these are guys that they really all believe in as people, not just as players,
24:02 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: and are comfortable committing money to long-term.
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the Mariners offered Jared Kalmick an extension once upon a time and he turned it down.
24:10 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would have worked out if they had signed the extension, given what's written.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it would have worked out.
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It would not have worked out.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it would not have worked out.
24:17 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You realize they would still be paying him like $15 million, $15 to $20 million you're probably at this point.
24:24 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, man?
24:27 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think,
24:29 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That aside, the Mariners really do their homework on the people and not just the players that they extend.
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And Colt Emerson is right in that bucket.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is as mature and focused to 20-year-old as you could ever find.
24:42 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing you hear from everybody.
24:45 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: When you talk about Colt Emerson, or you talk to somebody about Colt Emerson, is he's mature beyond his ears.
24:51 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have emotional outbreaks like Jared Kownick does.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get overly hot.
24:58 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's pretty about his process and understands the ups and downs of the game.
25:03 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when we were talking to Cole, we were talking for a while at FanFest back in late January.
25:09 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And an example of when Cole Dermerson's not in a strict baseball setting, and you've got chances to just talk with him, he's great.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we had a great conversation with Cole to FanFest.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking for a while.
25:20 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was even saying about where he thinks he could land at the start of the year and go in and just bring training and getting to be with the big league.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: club for most of the camp.
25:28 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yeah, we'll see where I end up.
25:31 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he said, I barely played in Triple A last year.
25:34 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He was saying us, I wouldn't be that shocked if I have to go back to Double A to start because I only went up to Triple A because the Double A year ended is not phrasing his exact words to a quote, but that was along the lines of what he said.
25:46 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, yeah, sure.
25:47 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance I could go back to Double A.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine if that happens.
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll get a little more, you know, I'll get more time in.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll get a bat's in.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: See when
25:57 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: his mindset on his timeline up to the big leagues, at least for us talking to him.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is the case with most people.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a lot different than Calenix.
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Calenix is, I want to get there now.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to get there now.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Get me there the second.
26:10 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He was so, so eager and tight to get to the big leagues.
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really the case with Colt.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, you know what?
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: My time's going to come.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be the second.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe in the mariners.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe in my own process.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I get there, I get there.
26:26 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: the Mariners have learned a lot with what their players think I think the point where the Mariners decided to maybe re-evaluate it either I'm saying this without knowing anything either re-evaluate or take it more seriously the evaluation of the person that they are investing into and that they're trading for and that they're signing to long-term extensions was the Jesse
26:52 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: because those contracts they handed out before that.
26:57 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't anything about like the person, because the example I use is Evan White.
27:02 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That was not the person that didn't work.
27:04 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the fact that Evan White physically could not hold up playing major league baseball.
27:09 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: His body literally could not withstand it.
27:12 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The contract didn't really end up hurting the Mariners, but that was an extension, a pre-ARB extension, that did not work out for the Mariners.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: then there was the Jared Kelnick one.
27:22 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Where Jared Kelnick, if he had taken that deal, as I mentioned earlier, he would still be getting paid by the Mariners right now, and he'd probably be getting paid very handsomely.
27:29 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that deal.
27:32 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: was supposed to be pretty close to what Cole Emerson got today.
27:36 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It would would have been eight years for seventy to eighty million dollars for Jared Connick.
27:43 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been life-changing money that he turned down and now looking back at it.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a huge mistake for him.
27:49 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if he flamed out, maybe he would have just relaxed.
27:53 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If Jared Kellock took that extension, knowing he had that money, he would have chilled out.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, Jared is where he is right now.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But once that Jesse Winker point, Jesse Winker came in and out of the Mariners.
28:06 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And his teammates couldn't stand him and his manager couldn't stand him and the fans couldn't stand watching him kick balls around in left field.
28:12 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And you hear reports about his work ethic and his attitude and all this kind of stuff.
28:16 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the matter is like, alright, if we're going to add players to this roster, we need to be more serious about personality evaluation of these players.
28:28 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as you said, right after that point, the extension candidates or all of the best dudes on the roster, Julio, Cal, Luis, Colt Emerson.
28:39 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, moon you can throw moon those in that and you know who I honestly forgot because he is a free agent But Josh Nailer same example.
28:46 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean look Josh Nailers a unique dude in a lot of ways But the one constant you just hear about him nonstop is again his work ethic his grit and how much guys like him inside that clubhouse I know you said that You were talking about a point a couple of minutes ago where you said you're just speculating
29:06 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say this.
29:07 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The Jesse Winker thing, the points you just made about, you said, oh, teammates in like a manager didn't like them, et cetera, that we have heard enough times to confidently say, yeah, like we're pretty confident that that's true.
29:20 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't pretty much everyone said it, yeah, he was really, really not loved in that clubhouse for a variety of reasons.
29:27 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think after that to your point, the Mariners said, yes,
29:29 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We have got to take a much, much different approach to who we really bring in to our clubhouse.
29:37 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And since then, for the most part, it's been pretty good, not everybody stayed long-term, but guys did like Taiosk, or when he was here, for example, guys really liked Polanko when he was here.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Those guys all fit, even if they didn't stay long-term.
29:50 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They were liked, but when you give somebody money long term, you got to be really, really sure, and Colt Emerson feels like that guy.
29:58 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, if I was in Colt Emerson's spot at 20 years old, I could not be itching enough to get to the big leagues, just how excited I'd be, how antsy I'd be.
30:07 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But it just speaks again to Colt Emerson and his mentality as a very mature 20-year-old kid.
30:14 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, yeah.
30:15 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get there, but I'm not worried about it being this second.
30:19 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that my time will come and when it comes, it's going to be the right time.
30:22 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you essentially told us.
30:25 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I also have to imagine that.
30:29 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This is as good of an endorsement as the Mariners could want from a from a PR's perspective from the players of Colt Emerson taking this that another positive point after Colt Emerson agrees to this deal and he signs it is that the Mariners can go to free agents that they would want to add to the roster or other trade candidates looking to wave a no trade cause and say hey look.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: we know what our core is.
30:53 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We have all these really good players that said they want to be and play here for the next half decade at least.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty good sales pitch.
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It was only a couple of off-season ago.
31:05 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We sat here and said, who wants to come into play and see out?
31:12 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the want from other players to come here?
31:16 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they have much confidence that they come here and the
31:21 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: a teamhouse.
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Since that point, they've done nothing but do that.
31:25 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But build this sort of foundation for the future to keep attracting talent to this area.
31:30 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And Salk is coin this phrase.
31:32 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give it to him.
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give all the credit to him for corning this.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll use it here as we're talking about it.
31:38 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have called themselves a draft development trade team for a long time.
31:42 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it should be slightly tinkered.
31:47 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: to what Salk now says, draft, develop, trade, and retain, retain your own, because that is what the Mariners have started to do, which is a lot of what we have asked for.
31:56 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, if we talked about a lot of free agents and wanting a lot of free agents, yes, have I beaten the Kyle Tucker thing into the ground, of course.
32:04 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What we have asked the Mariners to do and what fans have asked them to do for a long time is invest in your on field ball club, invest in your product, invest in winning.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of different ways to do that.
32:14 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they believe that the model that they want to go after is essentially the Braves, that's fine with me.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Braves are really successful.
32:21 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They've done it by retaining a ton of their own guys and keeping their court together.
32:25 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the Mariners idea, sign me all the way up.
32:28 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that means keeping a lot of guys in house.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And it also involves them paying money to guys that
32:33 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: they know they've gotten a no they feel confident in that is the one caveat with free agents is you would be paying a lot of money to somebody you don't really know and you have to bank on them fitting in your clubhouse and them messing with the rest of the team you don't always know what the guys you've already gotten to know whoio cow Louise naler moonios cold emerson you know you know those guys and they fit so yes if you're comfortable giving them
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's totally fine.
33:05 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't mean you shouldn't go out and trade and add more pieces and add free agents when you need to, but if the core philosophy of the Mariners is extend a lot of their own players, great.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they keep doing more of it.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple more things here.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just to reiterate that one more time.
33:23 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Draft, develop, trade and retain.
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a socks thing, but I think it's very well said.
33:28 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: One huge pointer is that the Mariners will now no longer have to look for the most expensive position in baseball for another nine years.
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If they so choose, and this is a huge part of this whole deal, too.
33:40 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The free agent years they're buying out for Colt Emerson are so crucial.
33:46 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If Colt Emerson is good as we think he's going to be by the time he's a free agent,
33:51 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the money he could make on the open market is crazy.
33:54 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at what Boba Shets getting right now to use that example again, 40 plus million dollars a year.
34:01 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
34:01 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: For a guy that has been injured is not a very good defender, has question marks.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He is making crazy money.
34:08 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson's club option that the Mariners I'm guessing if all goes right will pick up in 2029 or sorry 2029 in 2034 the club option 25 million dollars.
34:20 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a bargain they could get themselves on when you look at what short stops are making on the open market specifically the really good ones.
34:27 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at some of the guys across the board.
34:29 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Besheat.
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Cory Seagers making well over $30 million dollars.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a ton of short stops across the game, making crazy money.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Trade Turner, $300 million contract.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Correa, nearly got two different $300 million contracts.
34:41 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: If not for an injury, bow guards, nearly $300 million contract.
34:46 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: $25 million at roughly age 28, 29 for Cold Emerson on a club option.
34:53 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That means he'd have to be a three-war player to make up for that money.
34:56 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And by that time, if everything goes right, there's no reason he can't be a five-six-war player.
35:01 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a positive and the Cold Emerson bucket is that Cold Emerson can be a mariner as long as he wants.
35:06 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a full no-trade clause in this contract.
35:10 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners cannot move Colt Emerson and his money, unless he wants to leave Seattle.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a win for him.
35:17 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Which again goes back to the Colt Emerson thing of, I don't have to worry about literally anything, except playing baseball.
35:24 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Could I get traded?
35:25 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope, not unless I want to.
35:28 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Last thing on this section.
35:32 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners got in front of the pre-ARB extension pool of other prospect short stops.
35:39 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin McGonagall, Connor Griffin, Hazus Maude, some of these other young guys, Leo DeVries.
35:46 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: These are all some of the best prospects in Major League Baseball who are in and around the prospect ranking of Colt Emerson.
35:53 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners get Colt Emerson for $95 million.
35:57 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You think if Kevin McGonagall is going to sign an extension with the Detroit Tigers right now, the number is going to be less than $95 million dollars.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's going to be higher.
36:07 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think of Connor Griffin eventually extends a Greece to an extension with the Pittsburgh Pirates?
36:13 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: that.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That number is going to be less than $95 million.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's probably going to be much higher.
36:17 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Might be, uh, start at $130 million.
36:20 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And then once those guys get signed, I mean, Leo de Vries still needs to accelerate.
36:25 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a little bit more in the minor leagues before he's an extension candidate.
36:28 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But when he gets to that point, that number is only going to get bigger, which is why it was really important.
36:35 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: that Colt Emerson and the Mariners got the stone now.
36:39 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Mariners could save his money.
36:42 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at just baseball's top 10 prospects list that our guy are on waiting puts together.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Every year, he has Colt Emerson at number five.
36:49 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Seven of the top 10 prospects in baseball are short stops.
36:55 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin, McGonagall, Maude, Colt Emerson, Aiden Miller, JJ Weatherhole, Leo DeVries, seven, and those are seven guys that I'm sure all of their respective teams would have interest in getting a deal like this done.
37:09 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: At some point, doesn't mean they all will, but it doesn't mean there's not interest.
37:13 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If Connor Griffin had gotten his deal first, and he's really the big fish, because he's the top prospect in baseball, he really could be a superstar.
37:21 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If he had gotten his deal done first,
37:24 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners still want to do extent cold Emerson.
37:26 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to assume cold in his camp would say, OK, I'm interested.
37:30 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But you've got to pay me more close to the number what Connor Griffin's getting.
37:34 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be a lot more money potentially.
37:37 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw Jim Bowden floating out on Fowl territory today.
37:39 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The Connor Griffin's extension number could be around $130, 140 million dollars.
37:43 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd be worth all that, because he's supposed to be a stud.
37:46 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He is supposed to be a stud.
37:47 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He is.
37:48 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's essentially, you're like there's gonna be a bubble that pops for how much you're willing to extend your prospects, though, right?
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, but that's essentially what Roman Anthony got and he was the number one prospect in baseball.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:00 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So at some point, the teams will find a ceiling here.
38:03 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And that doesn't mean Connor Griffin's gonna get that.
38:06 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That just what Bowden was predicting.
38:08 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But by Cold Emerson getting this done first, the Mariners set the precedent with the contract.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to look at the model of a different prospect.
38:16 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They got their guy at the price, they wanted, and the price of Colt Emerson felt like was fair.
38:20 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And they got ahead of it, which good for them, do not wait on the McGonagolds and the Griffins and the weather halt to potentially get extended.
38:29 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Just get out ahead of it, and they did.
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39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one.
39:45 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we think the Mariners came to Colt Emerson with this idea after they struck out on Brian Wu and Logan Gilbert?
39:57 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question, I'm sitting here thinking about it in real time.
40:01 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Mariners still have the resources to go extend those guys.
40:05 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this changes anything, but it is possible that if this all came together as quickly as it did, because that's what's being reported, that's what Jerry DiPoto said that it came together fast.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That, yes, the Mariners after saying, okay, we didn't get something done with Logan.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get something done with Brian.
40:24 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We still have resources to extend somebody.
40:28 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not think about it with our short stop of the future?
40:31 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't know if it's for sure, but if it really came together this quickly and they weren't talking about it throughout spring training.
40:40 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly a good question, and it's certainly not a crazy thought process that the Mariners went to Cold Emerson and said, hey, there are more extensions we want to get done in our organization.
40:50 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We believe in you, we want to keep you long term.
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's definitely possible.
40:56 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that let me be very clear.
40:59 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that I think now Logan Gilbert and Brian Wu can't be extended.
41:03 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they still can, but it is possible that they pivoted a little bit to the idea of, oh, if they're not gonna sign an extension this second, and they don't wanna talk a ton during the year.
41:14 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: that we could talk to one of our prospects instead.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, I'm with you.
41:18 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they could extend all of these guys, but I have a hard time thinking that the Mariners put Colt Emerson as like, where it's like, we're gonna focus on Brian Loon-Logan Gilbert extensions, but we're also going to no matter what happens, focus on a Colt Emerson extension.
41:34 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to take a guess here, I'm going to think the Mariners tried with Brian Woon Logan Gilbert first, it didn't happen, and then they went to Colt Emerson.
41:46 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They knew they wanted to try to extend Colt Emerson, but he was not going to be first.
41:52 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's really hard to make a prospect, no matter how good he is, a top priority.
41:59 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: when you have guys in your own rotation, that would be more valuable than Cold Emerson because they're proven big leaders.
42:07 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I look at it.
42:08 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Not to say they took, okay, ownership came to Jerry DePoto and Justin Hollener, they said guys, you have $95 million to extend either Logan Gilbert, Brian Wu, or Cold Emerson, and they're like, well, we'll offer it to the other guys first and see what they say, no, I don't think that's what happened.
42:27 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But do I think they went to Logan Gilbert and Brian Loone tried and got some ideas of what numbers would make them say yes and decided to pivot to Colt Emerson instead right now?
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say I'd believe that.
42:41 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it goes without saying Brian will and Logan Gilbert aren't signing an extension for $95 million.
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to cost more than that.
42:48 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
42:48 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure Jerry Poto and Justin Hollander know that.
42:53 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna be easier now?
42:54 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two sides to this.
42:57 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Side number one, Mariners future payroll has increased.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We know this is something they care about.
43:05 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's very important they should sign their best players, no matter what the cost is, but it requires spending more money in the future.
43:14 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's totally fair.
43:15 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though to be honest, again,
43:17 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is roughly what you'd be paying Colt Emerson anyways, if you'd want to keep him even if he didn't sign this extension.
43:25 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But then the other side of this is, you have a selling point, I almost lost my train of thought there for a second.
43:34 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a selling point to Brian Will and Logan Gilbert and say, hey guys, if you sign an extension here, this is what you're signing up for.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no mystery.
43:44 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the dollar amount you're going to make.
43:46 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Here are the teammates you're going to have.
43:48 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Here are the resources we're going to put around you to try and win baseball games.
43:52 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the ballpark you pitch in, it's pretty great to pitch in, isn't it?
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Look pretty good.
43:57 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And you guys will still hit free agency later on in your years.
44:02 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good.
44:03 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They believe in a little bit more is still to be determined.
44:07 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's all right.
44:11 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: just wonder what the number would be for Logan and Wu.
44:14 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably a conversation for a different day, but I do wonder what the number would take for both of them, more than $95 million, like we just said, but we may find out as time goes on.
44:26 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is, the Mariners don't have a lot of money tied up in future years after the next couple, like you'll have Julio and you'll have Cal, and you'll have Cal, and you'll have Cal, and you'll have
44:35 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess now you'll have Colt Emerson and you'll have Nailer.
44:38 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's not a ton.
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You get a couple of years down the road from now.
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Louise will be off the books.
44:44 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have any other starters extended yet or signed yet.
44:49 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got money to spend.
44:50 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing about this Colt Emerson extension.
44:53 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I said it clearly enough in that last, last tangent.
44:56 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So let me say it again.
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't increase the Mariners payroll.
45:01 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It might look like it because it said, oh, the mirror's just signed.
45:04 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody to a nearly $100 million contract.
45:07 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't actually increase their payroll because if you look at it in the future, again, that's what Colt Dermers soon would make anyways.
45:17 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: If not more.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
45:21 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the payroll for this conversation shouldn't it shouldn't be used right?
45:27 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always an option that it will be used, but it should not be used because you're not paying Colt Emerson more you're just guaranteeing it to him right now are you ready for my last question I think we talked about this at the ballpark today and Dan Wilson got asked about it too.
45:42 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna see how this plays out What does JP Crawford think about this?
45:49 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna assume he thinks my time in Seattle was great.
45:52 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved playing here.
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna enjoy my last season here.
45:58 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But the writing is on the wall, man.
46:01 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably gonna be playing elsewhere next year.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We've already talked about that.
46:05 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people have already coincided with that.
46:08 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the right word?
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:10 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of people have already accepted that or absorbed it.
46:13 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, sorry, wrong word.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people have already accepted that that's going to be the reality.
46:18 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: JP Crawford's probably going to be in another uniform next year because everybody knows Colt Emerson's on the way.
46:24 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will say that the timing of this is a little unfortunate if you're JP Crawford because he are sitting on Tuesdays, we're recording.
46:33 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He went out to Tacoma to go on a rehab assignment before he joins the team on a road trip.
46:38 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He is in the same clubhouse with Colt Demerson, the day he inks his extension.
46:43 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on in that rainier's clubhouse right now?
46:46 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing Colt's getting a lot of hugs and a lot of congratulations and a lot of people singing his praises and chanting his name and congratulating him.
46:55 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: All the good things in the world.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's JP Crawford.
46:59 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he may very well be looking over across the room and said, this 20-year-old kid's costing me my job.
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that simple.
47:09 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then JP's got to foot the bill for dinner because that's what happens on rehab assignments.
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:14 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:15 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I mean, Big Leagueers have he goes a lot of the time.
47:18 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: JP's been a staple of this team for, what's getting up there close to a decade now.
47:22 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what?
47:22 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 20, 20, so yeah, this is eighth year, close to a decade.
47:29 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's looking across the room on a minor league rehab assignment and thinking, this is 20 year old kid.
47:34 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Just took my job next year.
47:36 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the reality.
47:38 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And JP note has known that Cold Emerson is in the system and knows that he's highly rated and knows how good he is and can hear all the Mariners people talking about it.
47:46 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing to see it in the years as you play and you're just going about your business.
47:50 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But then to see the Mariners make a move like this, to essentially just say it, it's like, yeah, this is our starting short stop next year and going forward.
48:00 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it at the beginning of the season, right?
48:02 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Or before, in the off season, we talked, if JP Crawford went bananas this year and had like a rebound defensive year, his bat came alive, what would you do at shortstop and was like, well, you'd figure it out.
48:17 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: What the mayors have told us right now is that it really doesn't matter.
48:21 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: JP could come back and play another position, he could play.
48:25 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's not not that many spots in theory in theory he could play another spot, but there's not another spot open for him.
48:33 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if Cole is going to be taken up, and second, it's going to be taken up.
48:36 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if Cole Young's going to continue to hit, which again, this episode's all been filled by Cole Demerson Talk, so we haven't had a ton of chance to talk about other storylines from the last couple days, but one of them is through a few games.
48:47 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, Cole Young looks awesome, and he's been the guy I've stamped and really been bullish on for taking a nice jump in year two.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Cole Young continues to do that,
48:57 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: then second base isn't going to be open.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Short stops not going to be open because that's going to be cold ever since job.
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brennan down of it still has to play somewhere.
49:05 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You would assume it's going to be third base next year, too.
49:08 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess if you really, really were dead set on keeping JP Crawford and Amaran as uniform,
49:19 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: in the future, which I don't really think is going to happen at this point, but if you were set on it, sure could Brendan Donovan's slide out to left field next year when Randy arose around a walk, I do not think he's coming back, but could that happen with Donovan?
49:33 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you figure out your infield from there, I guess.
49:37 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if JP Crawford has the arm to be playing third base.
49:41 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Mariners gave Colt Emerson that money and then they're going to say to I'm, hey, you're going to stay at third base while we keep JP Crawford and keep them at short stop.
49:50 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like this is probably going to be the end after this year for JP and Seattle.
49:55 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't going to be the end of JP's MLB career.
49:58 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to sign somewhere and he's going to play in field.
50:00 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't promise he's going to play shortstop, but someone will side him.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be in someone's everyday lineup.
50:06 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford is still in everyday player and major league baseball.
50:09 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: To what degree is up to the person and sort of up to the year of JP Crawford?
50:14 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't play somewhere.
50:16 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not what we're worried about.
50:18 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure JP has some sentimental value of playing in Seattle.
50:21 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They made game 7 on the ALCS.
50:24 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He said some incredible memories here.
50:26 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He blossomed into the player he is here.
50:28 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's going to come to an end.
50:31 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: With someone else taking his job.
50:33 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_01]: In having the moment like we had here on Tuesday, we're again.
50:36 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: J.P. goes down to a rehab assignment, and none of his current teammates are around him.
50:41 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy's that he's probably closest with, he's down in the triple A clubhouse watching Colt Emerson get the praise on the night with guys that by the way, Colt Emerson definitely knows a lot better than J.P. Crawford knows, because a hundred percent with a lot of those guys.
50:55 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If JP had been here in Seattle at T-Mobile Park when Colt signed his extension, at least he'd be around all the guys he knows to your point.
51:03 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And they'd pick him up.
51:04 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They'd say, don't sweat it.
51:05 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're focused on this year.
51:07 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You're focused on this year.
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go out and win a world series this year.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You are going to be the shortstop this year.
51:12 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is still true.
51:13 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He will be.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and there are guys around him.
51:16 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, for JP to go down to Tacoma on the day Colt signs his extension with players that probably know Colt Emerson a lot better than they know JP.
51:25 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Undoubtedly, congratulating him and singing his praises throughout the club house here on Tuesday.
51:30 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's a little bit awkward.
51:32 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure JP was not the happiest camper in the world here on Tuesday.
51:36 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: are the mariners going to pull them aside for a conversation.
51:38 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Dan Wilson got asked about exactly that and didn't give an answer.
51:42 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But you do wonder.
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because yeah, he was that.
51:45 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're going to pull JP Crawford aside for a conversation.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And he literally did not answer the question.
51:50 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, well, we got a series in front of us that we got
51:54 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Pay attention to.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I mean, I feel like it's a relevant question.
51:58 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there is going to be a conversation had, but yeah, and it's not even just going to be, well, Dan, I mean, Dan will probably have a conversation with him.
52:05 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure cow will have a conversation with him as the team leader.
52:08 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I'm sure JP and Colt have spent some quality time and chat at down.
52:14 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think?
52:14 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't think so.
52:16 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't because Colt is egoless.
52:24 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good point, but you have like one conversation with Colt Emerson and hopefully that hopefully would go away a little bit.
52:35 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it would subdue a little bit.
52:37 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but you just don't know.
52:41 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, guys have egos.
52:44 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this has been a thing for JP Crawford or not, but Merwin Victor Robles started last year as the lead off guy.
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't know for sure, but do you think JP like that?
52:56 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_00]: For a guy that was as tenured in Seattle as he was and was as consistent as he was.
53:01 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though 24 was not a good year from him and it was very good for Victor Robles.
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You think JP like that?
53:06 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, this guy that came in and played 60 good games is now hitting lead off on opening day.
53:11 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, like.
53:13 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't, say, JP's a bad dude by any means.
53:16 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not, again, and he's another guy that's really loved by his teammates.
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But doesn't mean he has no ego.
53:21 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how he approaches this cold medicine situation, even though cold medicine is egoless to your point.
53:28 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a chance he's bothered by it.
53:31 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we're going to have to go find out.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
53:33 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll wear off as the season rolls on.
53:35 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_01]: This might only be a...
53:37 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time thinking this is going to be a vendetta all season because once JP gets back into the swing of things And he's healthy and playing baseball, but he's got a job to do he can't sit and think about next year when the Mariners have a pretty big year in front of them That's what Colt Emerson's going to do as well, and I would assume in a month's time everyone's just going to be focused and locked back in and playing baseball And you would hope those two are both driven enough to win Colt and especially JP where
54:05 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: If there is a conversation between the two of them, it's, let's make sure we go out and win this year because everybody's got the same goal.
54:14 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson's not gonna be stealing JP Crawford's job this year.
54:17 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: When Colk gets up, he'll probably play more third base.
54:21 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you would assume these guys can get on the same page and say, hey, we got a team that can really win this year.
54:25 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go do that.
54:27 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we'll do, but what a day for the Mariners.
54:31 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What a good day for news.
54:34 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Unexpected, but I think this is going to be a big win for everybody going forward and a huge endorsement for the Mariners in Cold Emerson going forward.
54:44 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we can't wait.
54:44 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't wait to see them in the big leagues.
54:46 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it's probably going to be up sooner than we thought.
54:49 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_01]: with this extension.
54:50 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to wait two months for him in the miners with this extension.
54:55 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
54:56 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
54:57 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I still feel like it could be roughly Memorial Day.
55:01 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
55:03 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They're paying him a million dollars to play two months in AAA.
55:07 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But why not get the deal done now?
55:09 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Just make sure he's fully ready.
55:10 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'll say.
55:11 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure he's fully ready.
55:13 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just saying his salary is a
55:19 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I would still guess, if it's a little earlier, maybe midday.
55:24 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's going to be next week.
55:27 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll see.
55:29 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We will see.
55:30 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_00]: A very good day regardless.
55:32 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even get to talk about Cal Raleigh walking off the Yankees on Monday.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This was such a cold Emerson episode.
55:37 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even get to do that.
55:39 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't talk about it.
55:39 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The one.
55:41 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Looked.
55:42 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the same.
55:42 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The one good swing cows had this year.
55:45 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So far.
55:45 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, through week.
55:47 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a little up and down.
55:49 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been he's been pretty cold, but positive Coyoung Brennan Donovan is the best hitter and major league baseball against any single pitch by run value.
55:58 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big positive
56:00 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Luis Castillo looked great on Monday.
56:03 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert did not look great on Tuesday.
56:06 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a spark notes.
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Max Freed looked really good.
56:10 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: God, Max Freed.
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice dude, because we got him on our bullpen banner channel.
56:14 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned to that.
56:15 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to see the career trivia we did with Max Freed.
56:19 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, he diced up that Mariners line up.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even hit the ball hard off.
56:22 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll Randy hit the ball hard once and I got caught.
56:26 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, I mean, he was just cruising.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That is Max Freed.
56:29 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't overpower you, but man is he efficient, man does he have good stuff, and he can locate.
56:36 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I had my, I mean, it's a good thing they want on Monday, because I didn't really expect them to do a whole lot against Max Freed, and they didn't.
56:42 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they'll go out and win on Wednesday, because they don't want a lot of series against the Yankees.
56:46 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they do.
56:48 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we can dig into all that more for Friday's episode, and we'll do a male bag.
56:52 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have a lot more takeaways, but shout out to Colt Dammerson.
56:55 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a huge day for him, it is a huge day for the Mariners.
56:58 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a huge day for Mariners fans, because you're shortstop of the future is going to be here even longer than you expected.
57:04 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: With that, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcasts.
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