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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode number 385 of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a mailbag episode, so we'll open it up and answer your best.
00:06 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Listener questions.
00:07 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll also give our thoughts of the Mariners losing two of three at home to the Yankees.
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00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get it rolling!
00:53 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And we both reached the set-the-sode of the Marine-Layer podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network.
00:58 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Recording here on Thursday evening April 2nd, and shocker the Mariners' loose, another series to the Yankees.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Never fails!
01:08 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They really are the Mariners kryptonite aren't they they are just kryptonite to the Mariners it's every year It's every year It doesn't matter how good the Mariners are or how bad the Yankees are Usually the Yankees are better than the Mariners historically that's how it's kind of lined up But it literally hasn't matter.
01:26 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I had to go back and look just to remind myself But I'll remind all of you again the Mariners won the season series against the Yankees in 2022
01:37 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They won four games and lost two and might you remember there's some crazy Yankee games at T-Mobile Park I think it was in August of that year that allowed the Mariners to win that season series against the Yankees trivia who walked it off in that game because it was one crazy game Louis Terence yes, it was Louis Terence on a ball nowhere
01:58 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the game where there wasn't a single fastball thrown under 95 miles an hour.
02:04 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because because that was Prime Castillo, and it went like Castillo through eight, and then they threw monos, and then they threw brash.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming Sewell did not throw in that game.
02:17 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe a couple others threw, but on the other side of it, you had Garrett Cole for the Yankees.
02:21 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, there was not fastball being thrown under 95.
02:24 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know way, no runs were scored, but
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: those are very low scoring game.
02:31 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The last time before 2022 the Mariners beat the Yankees in a season series was 2001 in which the Yankees get the last laugh and beat the Mariners in the ALCS.
02:43 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want a picture of what it's like for the Mariners to historically play the Yankees.
02:52 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty accurate.
02:54 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
02:54 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you beat us in a season series.
02:56 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we just went to the world series and you didn't.
02:58 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
03:00 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say, I know we're only six or seven games into the year.
03:04 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this Yankee team is really good.
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're really good.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think better than the Mariners.
03:13 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
03:13 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's scary about them, all of a sudden, is when healthy and firing on all cylinders, man can that team pitch.
03:20 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Cam Schlittler, as we've seen over his last couple of starts dating back to the playoffs last year, and now seeing his first couple starts with a year, I mean, this guy looks as advertised if not more.
03:31 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He throws, he misses bats.
03:35 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got three different fastballs.
03:38 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's deadly, and then you have Gary Cole and Carlos Rodon still on the shelf who are set to come back.
03:45 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And when those guys come back, you have Cole, Fried Rodon, Schlittler.
03:51 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, and Louise heels not back either, so then you have heel, and then you have feathers.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a tough rotation, dude.
04:00 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a tough one to face in the postseason.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
04:03 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were getting our first sample of this Mariners one, it versus an elite left-handed pitcher like they might see in the postseason, or in big games down the stretch, like rattle off the big name.
04:15 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Left-handed pictures in the American League that the Mariners are gonna have the face to just get to the world series Given that that's the expectation this year.
04:23 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw Max Freed on Tuesday Terriq Scooble Gerro Crochet Frember Those are the Mount Rushmore It's good for getting somebody and all those guys should make the playoffs.
04:38 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You think I mean Crochet's probably the only question mark
04:42 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: but I think all of the rest of those guys should at least make the posties and field and the Mariners should at the play them.
04:48 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The blue jays don't have a left handed starter, I don't think.
04:52 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you count Eric Lauer, but you mean, you mean the, you mean the main guys in cease, Gosman, you savage when he comes back, surezer, beaver, ponds, although ponds just got hurt.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they're mostly right handed heavy.
05:08 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, actually, I may slide Framber off the Mount Rushmore.
05:12 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this team gets into the playoffs or not, I think they're going to be frisky, and I wouldn't be shocked if they're a wildcard team, but if the royals get in, coal
05:20 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and Shane McClain hands back now, too.
05:23 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have to see a full season of him before we put him in that list again.
05:28 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Three years ago, absolutely.
05:29 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, let's see him build up the workload.
05:33 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, there are a lot of really high octane lefties in the American League.
05:36 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've had a really small sample so far given the Mariners have played seven games, and two of them have been against a left-handed starter.
05:43 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The results against those two left-handed starters have not been good so far, and on top of
05:50 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys the Mariners need to hit left-handed starting pitching if the the weakness of the lineup is going to sort itself out Guys like Rob Raff Snyder, Julio and Cal Rally are going to need to hit and they've gotten essentially zero Production from those guys all season long.
06:06 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Cal had his walk-off hit and that's that's pretty much it Well, we have some male bad questions regarding these guys, so I'm not going to dive into their struggles too much But it's those are the kind of guys you need to succeed Randy's been fine
06:19 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But besides that, the right-handed bats you need to hit against lefties have not been, not been good.
06:25 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a storyline here from the first seven games of what we can see that the right-handed bats have not been good enough.
06:33 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: that's for sure and again what i'm projecting here maybe a little bit of an overreaction but i'm just starting to get a sense a weekend which could totally change two weeks from now but a weekend i'm starting to feel like the american league is not going to be as wide open as it was last year i'm not saying the mariners aren't going to be one of the best teams in the american league
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't feel wide open the way it was last year.
06:56 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, Gary Coe was on the shelf.
06:58 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees were not firing on all cylinders with their pitching.
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The blue jays and the mariners were really the top two teams.
07:04 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The astros were down.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Rangers obviously didn't play well.
07:08 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A.L.
07:08 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Central was weak.
07:10 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Tigers blew that massive lead of the division with a few weeks to go in the year.
07:14 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't feel like that this year.
07:16 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the Mariners and BlueJays are going to be toward the top of that division again, but it feels like you're going to have to deal with the Yankees for real this year.
07:24 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you see that rotation when it fires on all cylinders,
07:29 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: to tough rotation.
07:30 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, if Schlittler keeps pitching like this, I mean the Yankees have the chance to have four borderline number ones in their rotation.
07:37 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if Cole Rodon, Freed and Schlittler are all pitching like this, and then heels your five and you have Warren and Wethers and others behind you as DEP.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
07:48 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And odds are, if you're gonna make the world series, you're gonna have to be one of the tigers or Yankees in the postseason with those pitching matchups.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Or long way away.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of things can happen between now and then.
07:59 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We can see it much better performances against lefties between now and then.
08:03 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, my seven-game evaluation is, you don't wanna see those guys in a play-op series cause those lefty starters are a tough matchup, tough.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
08:14 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you rather face the tigers with two lefties and scuba and framer or would you rather face the Yankees with one lefty and freed actually know what am I saying the Yankees would have two lefties because you get freed rodon coal Schlitler Yeah, that's tough.
08:30 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You're telling me what I rather face the best picture and baseball or the best player in baseball or set best hitter in baseball Cheese
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the other factor.
08:42 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about that.
08:43 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what dog.
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the postseason.
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll pick the Yankees.
08:46 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know why?
08:48 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Craig Harden.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I mean, that would be fun.
08:51 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And the ratings would for our show would be insane if they were playing the Yankees in a postseason series.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But all, and it would be really fun getting to chirpy Yankees fans for over like a week and a half straight.
09:02 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be the most fun thing of all time.
09:05 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But you and I know Aaron Judges not a postseason performer.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is true, he's not.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched Terrick Scoobal last postseason.
09:12 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That dude is a performer.
09:14 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He puts up.
09:15 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a performer.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He might take himself out early, but he's a performer.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what?
09:21 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Since he's going to be a free agent, like the next month, how would Terrick handle that?
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't it probably be the same as last year?
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: 100 pitches?
09:30 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
09:32 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, do I want to deal with six innings in a hundred pitches of Terrick Scoobal?
09:37 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Or Aaron Judge, he'll have the his one class of game and then failed to show up in the rest of them.
09:45 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I don't know, man.
09:47 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: How about they just play, I don't know, what if they just play the, I can't take guardians because the guardians are pesky.
09:57 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather play the guardians and then the blue jays again.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: because of all the righties.
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I will take the Blue Jace line up again.
10:06 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, there's no way that line up repeats what they did last year.
10:10 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, the rotation is all righties.
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Number three, they don't.
10:13 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They have really good pictures.
10:14 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you qualify any of the Blue Jace pictures as ACEs?
10:20 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, Dylan sees his close.
10:24 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He is really good.
10:25 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He is unbelievable stuff, but he hasn't been an ACE.
10:29 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had a couple top five sai young finishes.
10:32 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like he's too erratic to be an ace.
10:35 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they have a lot of really good starters a lot of these good starters Which I will take over the best of the best starters Yeah, look at us.
10:43 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We're seven games in and already having play off-talk Yeah, who are we clearly not mariners fans?
10:49 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't happen to mariners land.
10:51 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but if you want us to be mariners fans Let me put this out there
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm ready for my first one of the year-teach.
10:57 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I am.
10:58 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners lose a series to the Angels this weekend, seasons over.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Two of three are swept or just, like whichever happens.
11:06 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you cannot lose the series.
11:09 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if the Angels take one at home, they take one at home.
11:11 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're gonna face redepers, Jack Kahana wits, and a guy named Ryan Johnson, who won his variety and two I've never heard of.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:22 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You lose two or three you lose two or three of the angel seasons over I agree That's gonna our odds are they're just gonna it's gonna be one one going into Sunday and they'll get walked off Who's gonna be the past on the angels this year?
11:38 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Taylor Ward's gone Ren he foes not there anymore.
11:42 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think David Fletcher retired
11:45 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I was more familiar with the angels roster, but given that they don't really care about their roster, I don't know as much either.
11:53 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to be somebody good like Zack Neto or is it going to be somebody you're not expecting?
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean more so not expecting.
12:01 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, how about you on Moncata either?
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But like doesn't you want Moncata like,
12:10 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: have some work ethic concerns like does it's still early in the season for him.
12:16 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he could run into a ball.
12:18 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know who it's going to be.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're looking at the same person.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a clutch mariner moment.
12:25 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you can have one against them, too.
12:28 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Adam Frazier.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam Frazier walk off.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put walk off double on Sunday.
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He heard it first.
12:34 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.
12:35 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So if that happens and they lose the series seasons over,
12:38 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What are some more serious takeaways you had before we get into this mailbox from these first seven games?
12:46 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we talked about a lot of similar things after the Guardian series that would be takeaways in this Yankee series too, right?
12:52 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Which would be a lot of the non-middle of the order hitters are really impressive and really hitting.
12:58 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a key because you obviously know that Cal and Nailer and Julio are going to come around.
13:04 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it all clicks with all the other guys in the lineup, showing that they could really hit and showing that somebody like Luke Rayley could turn this thing around this year, I think that's important, right?
13:15 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.
13:17 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Something something I thought was the back end of the rotation is looked better through a turn than the front end of the rotation did.
13:26 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan had his second start on Tuesday.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not very good.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Not very efficient again.
13:32 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got some time to sort it out, but through two starts, Logan Gilbert looks very much like he didn't, 20-25 lots of swing and miss, stuff looks great, not getting enough outs, there was the start George Kirby had on Wednesday, which was, he was doing fine until the sixth inning where he walks the lead off man and then walks, Ben Rice with two outs and gives up a three run home run to Paul Gull.
13:59 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Paul Goldsmith who's only on the Yankees roster to hit lefties and yep facing a righty on the mound took him eat took him to eat.
14:07 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
14:10 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Goldsmith is a 39 now, right?
14:11 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's he's on the Yankees roster for moral support.
14:17 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he's still 38, but he will turn 39 this season, Paul Goldsmith.
14:21 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just going, you know, it's I get it's early and I get it's baseball.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just something that just does can't happen.
14:30 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're George Kirby and the manners are trying to win the series and their offense is really scuffling so to have your best strike thrower.
14:39 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The row we're not creator as in the words of Hembo.
14:42 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Best strike throw or walk two batters in an inning and give up a three run home run to Paul Goldschmitt in a big spot.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Mayor and a set up losing by two runs.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's pretty big.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So the top two guys in the rotation through two turns have not.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Not been overwhelmingly great.
15:01 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me count it with another positive, because I went positive with the other role players in the lineup, you went a little negative, because the front of the rotation didn't pitch great through a couple of starts.
15:11 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to mention Cole Young, and not just Cole Young for the way he's hit so far, Cole Young for his defense, not only has by the eye test, he looked really sharp and made a couple of really spectacular plays through a week, but if you want to look into small sample sizes, which is all you have to work with through a week,
15:30 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young was in the fourth percentile of Alts above average last year, meaning his range was really, really a work in progress in his rookie year.
15:38 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He did not have a ton of range last year.
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Through a week, he's in the 84th percentile of baseball in Alts above average.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's going to stay that way all year or not.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly hope it does.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But one way or another.
15:51 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: got to be a sign of positivity there because through a week of play he's shown that he's really made some strides in some areas with his defense.
15:59 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a much better trend than the trend of his defense last season and he didn't have like the largest sample size on planet earth last year on defense and he still wasn't good defensively by the metrics.
16:11 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But this year like the eye test looks good he had that jump throw running into the hole behind second base that was fantastic.
16:18 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: just call him Derek Jeter.
16:20 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Next thing he needs to do is catch a ball and fair territory and dive headfirst into the stance.
16:24 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he will be known in baseball history.
16:26 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, hang on, hang on.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want him to be Derek Jeter, there is something else he needs to do.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you do need to have a heel turn defensively as well.
16:36 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cole Young last year, put up one defensive run saved.
16:41 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If Cole Young wants to be Derek Geter, he needs to put up negative 163 defensive run saved for the rest of his career.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would get to Geter's negative 162.
16:49 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That would make him Derek Geter.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I don't want Cole Young to be Derek Geter.
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Put that on a quote card, it'll probably get ratioed.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want Cole Young to be Derek Geter.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And why do I say that?
16:59 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that means he'd be one of the worst defenders, actually the worst defender in the history of baseball.
17:04 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll mark that.
17:05 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
17:07 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going on a quote, guard.
17:10 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want co-young to be Derek Cheater, but I'm talking about his defense.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If he wants to be Derek Cheater, offensively great.
17:17 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think just overall, Cole Young was one of the two best Mariners hitters in the Yankees series.
17:23 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the two best play, you could argue Cole Young was the best player on the Mariners roster in the Yankees series, because Brennan Donovan has great as he's been offensively, his defense at third has been an adventure to start.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not been the cleanest.
17:38 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: defensive session at third base for Brennan Donovan as good as his bat has been.
17:43 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But Cole Young, we haven't had much to complain about his defense.
17:47 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not the smoothest guy in the world on defense Cole Young, but he made the place, which is ultimately all you can ask for.
17:53 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing as Luke Rayleigh, like Luke Rayleigh's outfield defense, is totally fine.
17:58 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look smooth doing it.
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But the ball gets caught, and the throw gets made.
18:03 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how I feel about Cole Young at second base right now.
18:05 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he could get a little smooth, but some guys just don't have the body composition to be like that.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You know those Gatorade fast twitch drinks?
18:14 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember those?
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't those do those have caffeine?
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:19 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember.
18:21 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know if Cole Young has that Gatorade fast twitch.
18:24 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the fastest twitch in the world at second base.
18:26 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't mean he can't be a good defender.
18:30 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not Andre's Hemenas if that makes sense.
18:32 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Andre's Hemenas is quick, and he's obviously one of the best gloves in the game.
18:37 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Cull Young's not quite like that in terms of his motion and like initial instincts.
18:43 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can tell his footwork is much better.
18:45 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's making throws, he wasn't making last year.
18:48 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell that again, he's getting the baseball, he wasn't getting to last year.
18:51 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The Luke Ray League comp is a good one.
18:53 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think Cole Young looks like Luke Rayley trying to play defense because Luke Rayley really looks like he's got arms and legs flying everywhere when he's running around.
19:02 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young doesn't quite look like that.
19:04 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just not as quick as some other middle in filters in the game.
19:07 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's very, very clearly made some strides on defense that have helped to make up for some of the lack of range he displayed last year.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were a week, it's look great.
19:16 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he keeps it up.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a good cherry on top, too.
19:18 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The final ad bat he had been that Wednesday game.
19:22 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was bednor on the mound and Cole Young is up there battling.
19:25 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was reading some comments from Yankees fans who thought Cole Young was either going to tie the game or keep the game going with the ad bat.
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He had and was putting up against the Yankees pitchers.
19:35 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Not, I mean, not only is Cole Young, I believe so far the season, hitting 400 against lefties, which is insane, 1000 OPS, 400 batting average against lefties, but he's putting up these at bats against really, really, really good relievers as well.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Throw a week, Cole Young gets two thumbs up for me.
19:53 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I have one more thing that I know we both can agree on that stuck out like just a sore thumb through seven games.
19:59 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we do this, then we get to the mailbag.
20:02 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell this bullpen is two them.
20:05 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to see another game to get, get played to know that this bullpen does not have the horses, it needs an April, and it probably doesn't have the horses it needs to get through a whole season right now.
20:17 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I look at it.
20:25 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look, we had different grades at the end of the Mariners' offseason.
20:30 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them were perfectly good grades, like we liked the offseason the Mariners had for the most part.
20:34 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But TJ was a little higher on it than I was.
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I do not think this bullpen is deep enough.
20:39 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a reason they tried to trade for Joe on to ran last deadline, because they knew they needed more leverage bullpen arms.
20:45 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, going into this year, this bullpen was pretty definitively a leverage arm short.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if Jose Ferrara ends up being good,
20:53 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I still feel that way.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just one dog you're missing in that bullpen.
20:59 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If not multiple, at least one like high leverage reliever, you are missing that you need at the back end of that bullporn bullpen.
21:07 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy that Joe on Durand could have been had that trade got nexacuted and they don't have it.
21:12 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Through a week,
21:13 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that looks pretty clear, because we've seen Casey Lagamina and Cooper Chris, while throw the eighth inning, frankly, too many times.
21:20 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They've thrown the most, at of anybody.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And this isn't just a case of Mariners winning Mariners losing.
21:25 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners are essentially 500 on the season.
21:27 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had opportunities to throw in games where they're winning, and still the guys who have thrown the most innings in the Mariners bullpen total this year.
21:36 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So far, are Cooper Chris, well?
21:38 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: which got buoyed by a three-handing save, but his total would still be high, Casey Legumina, and Cole Wilcox.
21:45 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Andre Smunios, Mapparash, Gabe Spire, Edward Vazardo, they're all below him in terms of innings.
21:51 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a good thing, and it's not just because the Mariners are losing games.
21:56 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't think the Mariners have depth right now, when they need to use the bullpen on back to back to back days.
22:03 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: to comfortably have a lead with the arms they have in that bullpen.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's just not enough.
22:08 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: At this rate, while we said that we they need another lever jar, they need another lever jar, and then they need another above average arm in the bullpen to sort of string out this depth.
22:18 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the depth that it currently looks,
22:21 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless we get two to three months of really good pitching from all the guys I just mentioned and they prove us wrong To me, it just doesn't look like it's enough right now.
22:30 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a clear and obvious Achilles heel Doesn't look like it's enough No, they're probably gonna have to add somebody.
22:38 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're gonna wait till the deadline to do it or not We'll see how some more weeks play out and in terms of how the bullpen holds up as April goes by maybe some amigos by
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You might have to get on it sooner than that.
22:50 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And leverage bullpen arms are not going to be available on May, but you may have to trade for, to your point, and above average bullpen arm, if somebody is available in May.
23:00 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if this does not hold up, you can't let it linger till July.
23:04 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Devin Williams was going to cost a lot of money, but I think we wanted him pretty badly for a reason.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this bullpen was deep enough.
23:14 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love the idea of putting Hank Emerson Hancock in that bullpen with Rice Miller comes back.
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you said we would want to keep Emerson stretched out.
23:23 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: If this is what the bullpen is going to look like, I think we need to have a serious discussion about what is actually more valuable to the Mariners winning games.
23:32 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if the Mariners believe as much as they do in Kda Anderson and Ryan Sloan starting
23:40 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you might just have to take that risk that you'll take Emerson Hancock out of the circle for the rotation.
23:47 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He stays in the big leagues.
23:49 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He turns the success he's had in the rotation and I'll mention him here again in a second and put it in the bullpen and give yourself at least someone you feel comfortable with that has stuff that can play up in the bullpen.
24:02 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially with that sweeper.
24:04 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's going to go low slot fastball top of the zone and sweeper dancing in front of guys faces, I feel really good about him facing at least righties out of the bullpen.
24:17 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So what happens when Bryce Miller comes back and somebody else hypothetically gets hurt in the rotation during the year?
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Then maybe it's Kate Anderson time.
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Not me.
24:31 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: then you then you piece it together.
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You you you can call somebody up.
24:36 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You could always call up Jonathan Diaz for a start or you throw Emerson Hancock for four innings and then you throw him for five innings.
24:46 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be perfect but again, at this point it's clear the Mariners need more good arms on their roster and this is a solution towards getting there.
24:57 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If you take one of their good arms off the roster and put him into coma to keep him stretched out, sure he's there in case of emergency, but you're also living yourself in arm short at the major league level.
25:09 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If you move Emerson Hancock to the bullpen, you may have to find ways to keep him somewhat stretched out during the year.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: until Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan are ready.
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You just don't have enough starting depth.
25:21 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be Chris Well, could be Dane Dunning, could be Jonathan Diaz.
25:24 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I love love any of those options.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris Well threw well in spring training.
25:29 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he could do it.
25:30 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I love Dunning or Diaz.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little...
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a tough thing to maneuver.
25:39 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If this bullpen really does prove that they're not deep enough.
25:42 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe Cole Wolkox ends up being really good.
25:44 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The few innings he's thrown so far, I've actually looked sharp.
25:47 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But it feels like they're going to need a true established leverage arm at some point this year.
25:53 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, before we get into this mailback, shout out to Emerson Hancock.
25:56 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about his start.
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's looked unbelievable.
25:59 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to watch him this weekend against the angels.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be on the road.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The weather's going to be a little bit warmer.
26:05 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a bit of a different challenge for him because he's not going to get the confines of Team Mobile Park.
26:10 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm excited to see how this looks on a start to start basis and see how much tangible change has been made.
26:16 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Can he keep the success going forward?
26:18 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if it is true, then we're going to be so happy as the podcast form.
26:22 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be so cool to watch him and see some of the struggles he went through as a big leader, all of the adversities gone through with injuries and transform himself into, hopefully at least an average major league starter, which would be super cool.
26:36 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The note I wanted to add was that we were speculating on it was Monday's episode that Emerson might have lowered his slot again to give himself a more advanced arm slot, a little bit lower to give himself more of an advantage against hitters he did.
26:51 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year was 18, 18 degrees, so if you think about it this way if you're listening on podcast, if you hold your arms straight out flat like this, flat from your shoulders, straight out to your fingertips, that's zero degrees.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Emerson Hancock is at 13 degrees up.
27:08 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Some guys are all the way up at like 40 degrees, that's technically against three quarters.
27:13 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Emerson lowered it again this year, so he's lower than it was last year at 13 degrees.
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That might help him out a little bit.
27:21 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the idea of what how Brian was successful.
27:24 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You get a little bit lower and you essentially catabult your fastball up.
27:29 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So it has that almost rising feeling to hitters as they see it and they'll swing under it a bunch, which could help someone like Emerson, who has struggled to make guys swing and miss on his fastball.
27:40 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, if Emerson ends up really stringing together, a good stretch of starts and this ends up being sustainable and it ends up being real.
27:47 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to be taking victory laps as a pod.
27:50 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be so sick.
27:52 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If he ends up really dominating, start to start.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be so fired up.
27:58 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be so cool.
27:58 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's hope it keeps going.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to him.
28:01 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty cool nugget, too.
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see how that sustains over the course of the year.
28:05 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that was only remember, it could raise up a little bit because start to start.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Emerson will change the degree or two.
28:14 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it looks 10 starts in if he gets to 10 starts.
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30:08 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: First question, Lyle, on the mail that comes from Michael on Patreon, Michael's question is, it's early in the season.
30:14 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of good to take away from the early, the early home stand.
30:19 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, of the struggles of the big three, Cal, Julio, and Josh Nailer, which struggles have you the most concerned.
30:29 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put too much emphasis on this because through a week it just doesn't seem like it's fair to really have strong concerns about any of them.
30:37 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I have to pick, I'm going to say Julio because it's going to continue to be a trend for him where he's just a slow starter, April's don't favor him, takes him a while to warm up.
30:48 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So because there's a track record here with that, I would say Julio.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you and I have different answers for this.
30:53 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Mine would be Josh Nailer and that's because he's an unknown.
30:58 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We know Cal is streaky.
31:00 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He can go through these brutal cold stretches and come out on top and hit a bunch of home runs.
31:06 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Even happened last year when he hit 60 home runs.
31:09 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We know Julio, even when he looks terrible in April and May and June, Lee Gavrge to terrible, he'll come out in the second half and he'll play like an MVP.
31:19 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen two good months of Josh Nailer and a Mariners uniform in a great post season.
31:24 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But we haven't seen how he handles the ups and downs of the early parts of the season and a Mariners uniform.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So how does he bounce back from this?
31:33 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How does he bounce back for playing in this ballpark which is incredibly unfavorable to hitters?
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it mess with him mentally?
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he able to recover?
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's gonna be pretty telling.
31:43 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm gonna pick one of those guys, I think it's gonna be Josh Nailer for me.
31:47 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Does the four-year sample that he's got from 22 to 25 or has been such a model of consistency?
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Not give you a little more confidence?
31:56 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not proven in a Mariners uniform outside of two months.
32:01 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder how he'll feel at the end of April that is, quote, saying, oh, it's easy to hit and see at all if he's not hitting through April.
32:08 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll have to reevaluate that a little bit.
32:10 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, remember, loud, Colton Wong hit before Seattle, no problem.
32:14 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: AJ Pollock hit before Seattle, no problem.
32:17 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesse Winker hit before Seattle, no problem.
32:19 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Tiosca Hernandez is hit outside of Seattle.
32:23 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know.
32:23 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.
32:29 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't bring up names like Colton Wong and AJ Pollock with John.
32:32 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, that's just the example I have to give.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's gonna be okay.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, he has not played April's in Seattle.
32:42 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Among those three, all three of them have been bad.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a stat for you.
32:47 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Between the three of them, they have combined a barrel one baseball.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So far this season.
32:51 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You wanna know why the mariner's aren't scoring runs?
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That, that's why.
32:55 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:56 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: With Nex, do we know which one the barrel baseball was?
33:00 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it Julio's game tying single or something?
33:03 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Alwaga.
33:03 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually it was Josh Nailer who had the barrel.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio and Cal don't have a barrel.
33:07 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
33:08 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, mergers are gonna win many games with that happens.
33:13 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, next question comes from Josh on Patreon, Josh asks, why did Emily go with this half ass ABS system?
33:21 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a fan, he'd prefer the full automated ball strike system.
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm fine with the full automated ball strike system.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you big it?
33:32 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Well,
33:33 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with like calls always being right if they have the technology down.
33:39 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing is I know a lot of catchers wouldn't like that at all because it takes framing away from the game and it does eliminate some of the human element that some people like.
33:48 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I just like the idea of first for how long umpires have had no accountability in their jobs that finally they'd pay the repercussions for it.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they went with a challenge system to answer Josh's question.
34:04 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Why I think Major League Baseball did it because they wanted a medium of keeping the human element in the game, still allowing catcher framing to be a thing, but also getting more calls right when you have the CB buff near the world who are calling Baseball's a foot off the plate of strike.
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the correct way to implement this system.
34:22 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think an automated ball strike system after seeing this one in play was ever going to be right for some of the reasons you just explained, I don't even think it would be popular amongst the players if you did that because things would change.
34:36 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people have been playing with humans as a game, their entire lives, and it would essentially have to change
34:44 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of what you're doing.
34:47 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know if this is how you guys talked, I don't know remember on Brock and so on, if you guys talked about this on Wednesday or Thursday and if this is the exact line of thought with this system.
34:56 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But the reason it works so well and tennis being fully automated is because the court doesn't change.
35:01 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The court is always the exact same so the robot or the tracking, the track man always knows exactly what it's in and what it's out.
35:11 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This system requires change with every batter because every batter is a different height.
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always constantly changing.
35:20 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like leaving it up to that when everything, the robot, the automated strike zone is tracking is constantly changing.
35:30 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Please a little bit too much open to error.
35:33 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fair.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a line in tennis.
35:37 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There's lines on the court.
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know exactly what's in what's out.
35:41 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a little bit more indefinite than baseball because you're right.
35:43 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Every player's built different, their heights are different.
35:47 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Empire Strikesounds will be a little bit different.
35:50 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, although this is what the challenge is since fixing.
35:53 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say if you want accountability, I think this is the perfect way for accountability, because you literally publicly hold an Empire countable now for everything when they miss a call.
36:03 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, that part's awesome.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You see how piss CB Buckner's starting to get about it?
36:07 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly wonder if at some point he's going to straight up quite quit in the middle of a game.
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's just going to get up and leave, because he's so sick of it.
36:15 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What does he value more of the fact is his ego or his salary?
36:21 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the question.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, with umpires, you never know, because they're so ego-driven.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, yeah, the challenge system is doing a lot.
36:29 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really like it.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's really well set up.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But don't mention it.
36:34 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And add some strategy into the game too, which I like.
36:37 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, shout out George Kirby.
36:39 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure he was told not to be challenging pictures, but he did it anyway, and he got it right.
36:43 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Barely, it was the smallest correct percentage I've ever seen.
36:48 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:48 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I couldn't believe it was called a strike.
36:51 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Or ended up being a strike, but he was right.
36:53 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, on that note, don't bring up the salt take of, oh, the challenge system needs a gray area where the call stands.
37:00 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain that to me?
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I was confused.
37:04 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks there should be a gray area, like a gray box around the strike zone where if it lands in that area, the call just stands for whatever it originally was.
37:14 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And my answer to that is absolutely not.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The system is in place because it's a system.
37:20 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's either a ball or a strike.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's in the zone, it's a strike.
37:23 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's not, it's a ball.
37:24 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no gray area.
37:25 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_01]: See, there a ball or a strike.
37:27 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that like, from a similar to the shadow area of the strike zone or if, but that one makes any sense because that's where all the calls get overturned anyways?
37:35 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:35 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if there's one gray box with a gray area, then people are going to say, oh, well, this isn't big enough.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We need a bigger gray box with call standing.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we need it to widen.
37:44 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're back to what you were originally doing with on-pires blowing calls.
37:48 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just it would essentially eliminate the ABS because the ABS is there to say is the ball in the strike zone yes or no to which the gray area would be Then the strike zone doesn't matter because there's a gray area why is it in the gray area or not it's like no it's in the strike zone not the gray area
38:08 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct, because the gray area is what umpires have been doing when you bring people up on bad calls Oh, it's a gray area.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it was outside the zone.
38:16 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was close.
38:17 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's outside the zone Get the call right.
38:21 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's a ball or strike this zone is about as definitive as you can get saying here's what's a strike here's what's the ball
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, if Solk Fist, he's always the man of the people.
38:31 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he is.
38:33 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he is.
38:33 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and I'm not hiding saying this because I've already told him I wholeheartedly disagree with this take.
38:38 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people disagree with this take.
38:42 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Blake on YouTube.
38:44 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Blake's question is, apparently Josh Nailer is the second unluckiest hitter in baseball.
38:49 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Rayley is a top 15 unluckiest and Brennan-Dotovan coal-younger in the top 15 luckiest.
38:55 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you guys explain what that means?
38:59 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It just means that your batting average on balls and play is favoring you.
39:03 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It means that there's been some baseballs that you haven't hit that hard, but it's just found the right gap or it's found the right seam where it's gotten through for a hit.
39:11 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you say Cole Young is getting lucky, it means he's had a few baseballs that he's hit that have just dropped in the right spots.
39:19 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't necessarily barreled up extremely hard, but they just found some grass and ended up being hit.
39:25 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The numbers are Brennan Donovan's 10th, he has a 500-babbit.
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Colle Young is 21st, 438.
39:32 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer is second to last, 045.
39:37 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Julio is 12th to last, 125, who I think he meant instead of really.
39:43 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing about this though, Babib is one way to measure how lucky you are.
39:49 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is Babib is not a context neutral stat.
39:55 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Babip like you look at Josh Taylor's Babip and it's terrible, but Josh Taylor also hasn't hit the ball hard at all So if he continues to hit the ball the way is His Babip will stay low.
40:06 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that will just correct Josh Taylor would need to get back to hitting the ball a little bit better than He has been it's same with Julio But then there's like bread and non-man and coal young you can hit them all really well, but hitting having a Babip over 400 is nearly impossible
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's just a couple of layers to it.
40:25 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it is only a week of games.
40:28 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're trying to measure babbip through a week, you're probably not going to get a lot of definitive answers.
40:34 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Because babbip itself can often be, well, it's good because it tells you how sustainable your seasons are a year to year.
40:43 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a really high babbip, and you have good numbers for the year, it's going to show you that you should probably expect some regression in the following season.
40:51 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But to try to judge Bavut through a week is probably a little bit of a, it's probably going to make you go a little star crazy if you're trying to look at Bavut through a week because there's just not enough of a sample size and there's too much variance and if you give it a little more time like a month, then you can tell a little bit more of a picture.
41:10 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially someone like I didn't even get to check his I will check it right now because I'm pretty sure what I know what I'm going to find.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom can zone for example.
41:19 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If I were to ask you right now, how's he done this season?
41:21 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say so far.
41:23 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good.
41:23 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a WRC plus of 251.
41:25 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is, Dom can zone us had how many balls in play.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He is had two balls in play.
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:37 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He has three balls in play.
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He has two singles, one double and two home runs.
41:42 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: his babbip is fine, it's 288, but the babbip completely ignores his home runs.
41:48 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Home runs are never in play, so they can't be a ball of batting average on a ball in play.
41:52 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
41:53 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a perfect stat, and especially in a tiny sample size, it's not the best way to evaluate hitters.
42:00 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we get to June, and Julio's hitting the ball decently hard, but he has stats or down, and he has a backup of 230, then we'd say, yeah, who has been a little unlucky?
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah, I think that's right.
42:15 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Cole on Instagram.
42:19 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole's question is, should Cole young be moved up in the lineup?
42:24 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Love the optimism, but not yet.
42:30 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: at least six plus weeks where he is really, really hitting out of the nine spot before the Mariners start to think about moving him up.
42:37 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Because right now, if it's not broke with Cole Young, don't fix it.
42:41 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: When Cole Young showed that he had really six great weeks last year, which were really encouraging, but the rest of it was a lot of struggles.
42:49 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: shows you that there's still more developing for him to do more big league developing is what I mean.
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But just more developing as a baseball player.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And right now he's in a really good spot hitting out of the nine hole.
43:00 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not all the pressure in the world on him.
43:02 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got down of it hitting behind him and he's smashing.
43:06 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So if Cole Young is actually one of the absolute forces of your offense six weeks into the year, yeah, you could have a different conversation about if he'd be worth putting at the one spot or maybe the six spot.
43:17 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would just let him sit in that nine spot and play for a while before you make any decisions like that.
43:23 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you move him up if he's not doing any damage?
43:26 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he, I feel like he's got a slug a little bit to move him up in the lineup.
43:31 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his best role will be hitting essentially in front of Brennan Donovan or Rob Reft Snyder for the rest of the year, because him hitting 9th and hopefully having a 340 to 350 on base percentage will allow the guys at the top of the line up to drive in more runs and for the Mariners to score more.
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty valuable.
43:50 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to have as many at bats of Koleon?
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because he's hitting last in the lineup.
43:55 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he's getting on base, he's supplementing the top of the lineup which I think is important.
44:00 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: a scenario where you'd want to get coal-young more at bats at the top of the lineup is where he's essentially creating runs because he's slugging so much.
44:09 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But if coal-young's going to hit 15 home runs and he ends up slugging, I don't know, 4-10, I think I'd still put him at the bottom of the order.
44:21 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well he's slugging 5-20 right now.
44:24 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Through a week, there's a chance he does not slug 5-20 for the year, sure.
44:29 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if he's not going to be a 25 home run a year guy, which might be a little bit of a stretch, then you're right, the profile that he possesses as a hitter fits very well as that second lead off guy in the nine spot.
44:42 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't steal a lot of bases, and the old school way of having a nine hitter is a speedster on the base pads who just finds ways to slap singles and get on.
44:49 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not really a cool young game, but if he's going to draw his walks, and if he's going to make contact, and if he's going to be on base,
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's gonna hit 15 home runs a year.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good nine hitter.
45:00 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So sure, yeah, you can leave him there.
45:02 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, if you have to move coal-young up to the lead-off spot at some point, or you feel the need to move him up in the lineup, in some ways that might not be a good thing, cause in some ways that would mean other guys you're relying on to hit higher than coal-young aren't doing their jobs.
45:18 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
45:20 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't want that.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we want everyone at the top of the line of pitting.
45:23 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we get to this next male bad question, Lyle, do you want to read Ned?
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46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from EN on X.
46:17 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, do you guys think Colt Emerson prefers crunchy peanut butter or creamy peanut butter?
46:24 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Proof.
46:25 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He better prefer creamy peanut butter.
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the only right answer.
46:29 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Colt prefers crunchy peanut butter because he loves the extra work.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a correlation with that?
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there is.
46:39 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: of extra work?
46:40 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's more work to chew.
46:42 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Peanut, like chunky, peanut bits in your peanut butter.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think crunchy peanut butter kinda sucks.
46:51 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: As somebody who's like PB and J. Connoisseur, now creamy peanut butter.
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's all the same in gradients.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same in gradients.
47:00 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll eat crunchy peanut butter if I absolutely had to, but I don't love it.
47:03 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It tastes the same.
47:05 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not taste the same.
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
47:08 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's chunky, it's like you said harder to chew.
47:11 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't taste as good.
47:15 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Cole Emerson enjoys the grind of eating chunky peanut butter.
47:19 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially his training mechanism.
47:22 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He, he doesn't want it to be easy at home.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want it to be easy at the field.
47:26 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He signs this extension.
47:27 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm not getting gifted and opportunity in the big leagues.
47:30 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna earn my opportunity in the big leagues.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I wanna press conference?
47:34 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't wanna press conference.
47:36 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanna play in a baseball game.
47:37 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would rather do.
47:38 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Cold Emerson.
47:40 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I eat chunky peanut butter over creamy peanut butter, because I wanna work harder for it.
47:47 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know the question was asked about Cold Emerson,
47:53 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke Stevenson.
47:54 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Stevenson.
47:55 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:55 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Who said he is a Jeff over skipy guy.
47:59 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We did ask him that.
48:00 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's spring training.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But I can't remember if we asked him crunchier creamy.
48:03 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope his answer is creamy.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Peanut butter.
48:06 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Cream peanut butter.
48:07 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I love creamy peanut butter, but chunky still good.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's not not preferred, but I'll still eat it.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll still eat it.
48:14 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to.
48:17 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a stupid answer because I just thought I'll eat it, but I don't want to.
48:22 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is true, because I want creamy peanut butter instead.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If I have to eat it, I'll eat it.
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't buy it, but it still tastes good.
48:31 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's it's below in us in oil.
48:34 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's below average.
48:38 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
48:38 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from St. Drogo on X and the question is, should some of our batters consider playing for contact rather than trying to hit home runs?
48:49 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take Calhating 25 home runs, batting 300 any day.
48:57 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think Kal is here to do damage people?
49:01 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't you think Kal is in this lineup and God is money and hits where he hits to do damage?
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the man did just hit 60 homers.
49:10 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he needs to be changing his approach for batting average.
49:14 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He really does not need to be changing his approach for batting average.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
49:24 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You like you pay these guys to do damage.
49:27 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't pay them to hit for a high average.
49:29 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, what's funny about all this is that Julio is like the best average guy on the team year to year.
49:37 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Julio qualifies for this?
49:39 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Because technically he is playing for contact.
49:43 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not making any right now and he happens to do a lot of damage.
49:47 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of cow, I'm going to be, I'm going to just be straight.
49:50 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the question.
49:52 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think cow could hit 300 if you tried.
49:54 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If he essentially cut home runs out of his game and only tried to hit 300, I don't think he could do it.
50:00 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, each of your rows pretty unique for a reason.
50:03 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Most people can't just decide they're going to go average over power and then do it.
50:07 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Where everybody could just say, one day, you know what?
50:10 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start slapping and I'm going to,
50:13 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit last homers, display less power, but all this hit for average.
50:17 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, most people can't do that.
50:20 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say when someone can do something that's only been done, do I have the math right?
50:25 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Seven other times and majorly hit by seven different players and majorly history, I would prefer they keep doing that.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Seven players that have done what?
50:35 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: 60 homeruns.
50:37 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, rude.
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:40 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Maris.
50:44 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Marath.
50:45 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Marath.
50:45 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I said.
50:45 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Marath.
50:46 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
50:48 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Bonds.
50:50 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You said bonds.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a bonds.
50:52 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sosa, McGuire, Ruth, Marath.
50:56 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Marath.
50:56 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: How?
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, judge.
51:00 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
51:01 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there one more?
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's somebody we're forgetting.
51:05 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_01]: While we're talking about that, can I read you seven names?
51:09 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I read you seven names.
51:12 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that all right with you?
51:13 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
51:14 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
51:15 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron judge, Boba Schet, Jacob Wilson, George Springer, Jeremy Peña, Tray Turner, Yandy Diaz.
51:22 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know why I'm reading you those names?
51:25 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Players to hit 300.
51:28 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the only players in major league baseball last year who hit over 300.
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Seven, seven total players.
51:37 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This idea that Cal can just snap his fingers and decide, oh, I just want to hit 300.
51:42 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I would throw that idea out the window just about immediately.
51:46 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal is an incredibly valuable baseball player, but it is not because he's going to hit for average.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I will correct my sentence from earlier.
51:54 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There were only six players in the 60 home run club and Cal was the seventh.
51:59 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you're one of seven and majorly history to do something,
52:03 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep doing it because you're probably pretty good at it.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: There have been a lot of players who have played baseball.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're one of seven, it's pretty elite.
52:12 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Craig on Instagram, Craig asks, where are the M's better this year versus last year on opening day?
52:20 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first base, I know Josh Nail is not hitting, but don't have me remind you what the Mariners ran out there.
52:28 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: First base, to start 2025, in one row to Les and Donovan Solano, platooning at a premiere offensive position.
52:37 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: When Donovan Solano was signed for about $3 million and row to Les was a minor league free agent that made the team out of spring training.
52:45 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That was your premium offensive position solution last year.
52:49 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you have a guy at nearly a hundred million dollars who's expected to be a top 10 to 12 first basement in baseball The list goes on you want to keep going.
52:58 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're better at like you said first.
53:01 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're better at second I think they're better at third.
53:06 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're better in the starting rotation.
53:08 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're better in right field and I think they're better at DH You can add the bullpen too.
53:15 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't add Matt Brash to start last year
53:18 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: but I've also looked at this, I can't confidently say that.
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you confident in the bullpen last year?
53:24 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Our guy gave, for as good as he was in 25, was coming up a year where he battled a ton of injuries.
53:30 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have brash.
53:31 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Bazardo was a total unknown.
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you sure?
53:34 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a wash. Who, who in that bullpen last year, were you really confident in not named Andre's Munoz?
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not so easy, is it?
53:47 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it's that much of a difference in terms of overall production.
53:52 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I do because, again, while I still think they need improvements in the bullpen, you do have four established, very good, back end bullpen arms, or bizarre, it was probably more a middle guy.
54:02 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have those four and Ferrer who, unproven but expected to be good.
54:08 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, again, again, you did not have Mad Rash for the first month.
54:13 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a big deal.
54:15 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So that would make it both your starting rotation, your bullpen and one, two, three, four positions on the field.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
54:24 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
54:26 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of that said, they have the same exact record through seven games.
54:31 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes they do.
54:33 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible.
54:34 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That is incredible.
54:35 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, if you want to make yourself feel better about the Mariners this year, just go look at the starting lineup from opening day last year.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's.
54:44 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to look at, to say to least.
54:48 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:49 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Last question of the male bag comes from Lyron on Instagram and the question is, are we seeing spring training cow, Julio and Josh because they didn't get enough reps in March?
55:01 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say no with Julio and Nailer.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The cow rally thing is real.
55:06 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only because it takes cow a little while every spring to get his swing into a place that he really likes it,
55:12 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: but he almost didn't play for a whole week during the WBC because it got to the point where he'd play in a couple of games, Will Smith played instead, and he essentially goes cold.
55:23 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not getting live in bats.
55:24 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I'm not going to definitively say that's what's happening, but is there a chance?
55:30 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he didn't have it as many reps as he would have had in spring training.
55:36 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
55:37 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... that's my answer to this but it's so hard to no like where a player is at besides the fact that we can look and say that not another guy's performing the biggest telling thing for call is i have any check to strike out rate i'm just almost scared to look at it calmerly strike out rate to start this year is kigas before you read it uh... yeah give it a guess thirty eight percent
56:07 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_00]: not even close.
56:10 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Galrawly this year is striking out 54% of the time.
56:16 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you serious?
56:17 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_00]: No, dead serious.
56:19 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that number of all numbers is what Kalis punching out at?
56:22 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 36 at 33.6.
56:26 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_00]: so you're round up and it's 54% of course it is.
56:32 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: When you see a number like that, it does kind of make you think maybe cows just not ready yet for the season, which given he had a week off, he's got two swings to maintain its tough.
56:45 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_00]: 54% strikeout rate through a week is it's tough to look at but despite all of that I mean all the guys haven't done anything So whether or not you want to blame spring training on it.
56:56 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just they haven't shown up the first week They haven't they haven't looked good at all not even not even hitting the ball hard I don't it is wild to me that Cal Rally has not hit the ball on the barrel one time this year And he didn't really in the WBC either no mm-hmm.
57:13 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not good in the WBC
57:16 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully a nice weekend in Anaheim against pictures who are not as good as the ones you just saw on the first seven games of the season and the fact it's going to be 80 degrees would make me hope that.
57:28 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_00]: These guys are going to have a bit of a better weekend than they had the first week in Seattle.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so, man.
57:35 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
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