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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode number 388 of the Marine Lairer podcast.
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00:53 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening April 9th, Lyle, did the Mariner score run since we last recorded?
01:05 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
01:10 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: How many runs have they scored this week?
01:14 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be three, three total runs.
01:18 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And how many games?
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd be three games.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, listen.
01:23 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a loaded mail bag for people.
01:26 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many of you guys were listening to the podcast.
01:29 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We did after the raise series last September where it was just as bad as possible, but we did a mega mail bag.
01:36 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We called it where we just took a ton of questions from a ton of people, ripped through a ton of answers.
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: and it was really fun.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than doing so much deep diving on every question, we were just hitting a bunch of them.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what we're going to do today.
01:49 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because spoiler, nobody wants to hear us talk about that shitty ass series.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And shitty ass road trip for that matter.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It was bad.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: War starts since 2011.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good year, right?
02:01 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They rebounded.
02:02 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.
02:03 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, seriously, we were this close on Wednesday from getting to use that
02:11 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Major League where he looks at the box score.
02:13 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, and Cleveland has one hit.
02:16 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
02:17 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got one goddamn hit because the Mariners had two hits on Wednesday, and we were one off from getting to use that.
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And we, that we tweeted out our first meme of the year.
02:28 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Our post on our Instagram first losing meme of the year.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh my god, this was the worst game.
02:35 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the worst game.
02:36 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So far this season.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen the Simpsons movie?
02:40 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say that.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time, but yeah.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it's from.
02:45 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope or comes and picks up Barton.
02:47 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Barton's like, this is the worst day of my life and Homer goes worst day of your life so far.
02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha.
02:55 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Next one that gets posted will be the thank you fan's graphic.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That one's always a banger.
03:03 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed that the Mariners and honestly other teams out there too have stopped tweeting that at the end of the year?
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They do something else now.
03:11 --> 03:11 [UNKNOWN]: Too late, we got one.
03:11 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
03:23 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we will certainly touch on every topic you think you wanted us to talk about in this episode regarding the Mariners of like concerns you have any sort of like niche questions will be answered in this mail bag.
03:36 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We have over 20 mail bag questions, so I think we're going to hit on every single topic possible.
03:42 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: a reminder to you guys before we get into this mailbag if you want mailbag priority and you want your questions answered on every single mailbag the place to go is our patreon patreon.com slash marine layer pod you can access to not only mailbag priority but you get ad free episodes and you can get on a monthly video call with loud night and get all of your manners question answered so that sounds like something that would interest you
04:12 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: since we take any questions on any topics and are just total diabolical mariners fans.
04:18 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we get into the weeds with this stuff.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about this.
04:20 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: While the rest of the sports media world is currently spending this week talking all about Mike Vrable and Diana Ruscini, we're gonna spend a Thursday episode in the middle of April talking about potential ex-wobas from a mariners utility player.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll raise you one even better as we get into our first mailback question.
04:40 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about a former Mariners prospect who's now one of the worst players in AAA.
04:46 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Low floated it out there on Wednesday's episode saying, if we got enough people asking us about Jared Kelnik, we tell some Jared Kelnik stories on this podcast.
04:55 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: because we got so many of them.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Lyle, we're gonna lead off the mailbag with it.
05:00 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna be one person asking this question.
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot of questions from this.
05:04 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these questions throughout the episode.
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be rapid fire because we're gonna try to get through a lot.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: This one we will spend a little more time on.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Because,
05:16 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what the response was going to be from people.
05:19 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know if a lot of people had just moved on from Jared Calmick and just felt like it was a non-story at this point.
05:24 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we got a lot of response from a lot of people saying, oh, I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say about it.
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess there is still interest.
05:33 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: This is where it relates back to the Mega Mailbag from the end of last year before the Mariners went on their run.
05:39 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: People don't want to hear about the actual Mariners team, they want to think about a different Mariners team.
05:45 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the 2021-2 or 3 Mariners, or in the case of the end of last year, it's a hypothetical Mariners team.
05:52 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It just breaks my heart with Jared, man.
05:54 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It does, and getting into some of these stories, I think, will further detail why.
05:59 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: To give people a little bit of context who haven't seen Jared Kellnicks with the White Sox organization this year, he didn't make the team at a Big League camp, which is a tough scene in its own right, when you're not making the White Sox, Big League roster.
06:12 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But now he's in Charlotte, and while it's only been eight games, and he could turn things around, through eight games, he is a 332 OPS in Triple A.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, yeah.
06:24 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not very good.
06:25 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so what we set on Wednesday's podcast is a lot of people fail Jared Kelnick.
06:34 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's ultimately on the player to make the most of their career, but a lot of people really failed him.
06:40 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the stuff that's already public out there, which we can start with.
06:43 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, I will never not be convinced that the COVID season totally warped his development.
06:50 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: there.
06:51 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that was his age 20 season in which he would have gotten another season of development and he wouldn't have been up at the big leagues right away.
06:58 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have spent maybe two months of that season in AA, he would have got some seasoning in AAA and he would have debuted as a mariner at age.
07:09 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have been 21 at this point in the second half of the 2020 season.
07:13 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But he would have had a regular spring training, he would have had regular progression within the minor leagues at the double A level and then the triple A level and then he would have gotten sort of what Colt Emerson is going to get this year.
07:27 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are not going to rush Colt Emerson to the big leagues.
07:30 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: In that case, in 2020, the Mariners would have still been rebuilding.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They treated that year still as another rebuild year.
07:37 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead of as kind of an in between, like they were in 2021 when Jared did debut.
07:43 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would have been a little bit of a softer landing into the big leagues for Jared Kelnick if he had a normal prospect progression in 2020.
07:51 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, there was no season, there was no minor league season.
07:55 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So guys like Kelnick did not get to play real games, they had to take a bunch of live at bats in summer camp.
08:01 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you remember, in addition to that,
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The first month of the minor league season in 2021 was canned.
08:08 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The minor league season didn't start till May that year, because there were still a bunch of labor negotiations going on.
08:13 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: If I remember, right, they didn't want to pay the minor leagueers.
08:17 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's why.
08:18 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so from September of 2019, until May of 2021,
08:26 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Jared Kalmick was not playing in real affiliated baseball games.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about how long that is.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That is insane.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to close the two years.
08:35 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the development of that is tough to rebound from.
08:38 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen a lot of that with the 2020 draft, which has been really hit or missed with a lot of these prospects.
08:44 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Their development is unlike any draft class's development that
08:49 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: has happened in M.O.B.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: history.
08:52 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Haven't heard much from Austin Martin or Ace Alacades days.
08:55 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys were top five picks.
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Ace Alacades never made the big leagues.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he still pitching?
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he still in the minors?
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing.
09:04 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, maybe.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not pitch and error.
09:05 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he, Ace Alacades got to a professional baseball and was never good.
09:10 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately.
09:12 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, there is that aspect of it.
09:15 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: When I say people failed him, again, the other part of this is public, is the Mariners failed him.
09:21 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there was a bunch of outside noise about getting him on the team that year, but the Mariners did not do right by him.
09:27 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to all the time he missed between COVID and the first month of the season in 2021,
09:32 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners yanked him up after six games at 21 years old after almost a year and a half off, put him at the top of the lineup, asked him to save the offense because they had a bad off season.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't getting butts and seats.
09:45 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and they need a savior and they put unfair expectations on a 21-year-old who was not fully developed yet.
09:53 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
09:53 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And as we'll be a theme with this answer to this question, Jared didn't process failure very well.
10:01 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So to put a prospect who had just taken essentially a year-and-a-half off from playing real baseball games,
10:15 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: right away and then he fails instantly and it doesn't work.
10:19 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work for the Mariners.
10:21 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work for Jared either in that situation given right off the bat.
10:27 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a historic offer that had him get sent back to the miners.
10:31 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:32 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was an over 41 over 39 something like that.
10:35 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was bad.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the story, right?
10:37 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to all the Kevin Madder stuff that was out there that year, it was not a good offseason.
10:42 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't add much because they were still trying to just focus on the young core, but it didn't lead to a team being rolled out that was all that competitive, especially early on.
10:49 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The the offense was not exist, and especially through the first six weeks.
10:54 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: which it's funny why they called him up if the mindset of the season and they approached it this way at the deadline, the mindset of the season was develop.
11:03 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And what they did with Jared was not developed at all.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It was quite the opposite.
11:08 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It it really looking back on it.
11:10 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't hand up.
11:11 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It will both put our hands up right here saying that we want a Jared Kelnick up in the big leagues at that point.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We were sorely mistaken.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the wrong decision.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We were not thinking clearly.
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, a lot of people were in our boat with that, too.
11:28 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's the part of it that we've just heard enough times, and we've collected stories that we're going to share with you.
11:36 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think a lot of this is out there, maybe not that I've ever noticed, but when we say people failed him, we talked about the mariners, we talked about the lost season.
11:48 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing we've heard, man, is his dad sounded like a nightmare.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be totally real.
11:54 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So his family built baseball facilities in Wisconsin.
12:00 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They were always, always super invested in baseball and their kids baseball clearly to the point where they're building baseball facilities out there.
12:17 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: his dad and his era all the time sounded pretty toxic.
12:21 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We would hear stories constantly that when Jared would have a day where he'd let's hypothetically say when two for four with a home run.
12:31 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: When he'd talked to his dad, which sounded like a lot, and his dad was very, very, very involved with his career, including when he was in the big leagues.
12:38 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: When it's, you know, it's not your dad as the coach anymore.
12:40 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a big league team here trying to develop you.
12:44 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: his dad's in his ear constantly, whether it was on the phone, whether it was games he traveled out to in person, saying, not nice home run, not way to have a game tonight.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, why did you strike out in the fifth inning?
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that he went to for four and had a couple of hits.
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: His dad was all focused on why did you strike out?
13:03 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
13:04 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why are you striking out?
13:08 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And a mindset like a mindset like that and a relationship like that is not something that just starts when you become a big leader.
13:17 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That seems like it's something that clearly was a thing over a long period of time.
13:21 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
13:22 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a very healthy way to think about baseball because baseball as any coach would have told you growing up is a game of failure.
13:29 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to be okay failing if you're going to play baseball.
13:33 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that mindset right there does not allow for failure.
13:36 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, it's impossible for the game that it is.
13:40 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and again, especially imagine being 21 years old.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Forget all of the adjusting to the big league side of it.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Just where you're,
13:48 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: mindset and prefrontal cortex is a 21 year old kid.
13:51 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're just at ASU like going out to the bars with our friends at 21 years old.
13:56 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the weight of a city on him at 21 years old.
13:58 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not fully developed and if that's not enough to deal with.
14:02 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you've got somebody who's supposed to be one of the one of your biggest supporters, but instead he's in your ear, it's essentially sounding like in some ways whether he meant to or not.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like your biggest haters.
14:12 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You're biggest critic all the time.
14:15 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And even when he was successful at high school and through the minors and when he was on the showcase trying to get drafted You know if if all you hear is The negative about the couple of bats where you get out versus the oh you just had a 400 something foot bomb like I can mess with the mindset of somebody a lot Imagine hearing that it's 16 17 when again.
14:39 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's becoming pretty clear.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a high draft pick but
14:44 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: to have somebody in your ear at a time like that of your life when you're a teenager and you're trying to figure out a lot like, why are you striking out in this one abat of a showcase and game two of the fifth inning when you probably went 10 for 12 but you struck out once.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot to handle, man.
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't imagine that's the healthiest way for a player to go through his baseball career.
15:03 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And then add in the fact that once Jared got to the big leagues, this was the first time he had really failed in his entire life, 21 years old.
15:06 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He had been the best player for a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long,
15:16 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: long time, and people have been telling him that he's the best over and over and over.
15:22 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And for some people, and this is not the most shocking thing, you need to learn to deal with failure because it's something you quite literally have not had to deal with ever.
15:32 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, it all happens at once, and there is not the proper mechanisms in place to support that failure.
15:42 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:43 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in the middle of
15:45 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Slump to start his big league career, and I'm sure it's already enough on him when he's already so wound up tight the way he is, but then again, you have his dad probably in his ear saying, you keep pressing, you're swinging and missing, you're chasing, like, I wouldn't want my parents doing that to me, not in a little league, not in high school, not of it, certainly not if I was a big leagueer.
16:07 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: and then what about the team around him too like i'm thinking back to that twenty twenty one roster and this is obviously with i'm saying this from someone with no information on this but i'm just looking
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: at the way the roster is laid out.
16:21 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a very established roster because this roster had been picked apart over the course of the last two years to where there's not a ton of established, long-term mariners that you would say are entrenched in leadership positions.
16:37 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The two guys you would think of are Mitch Hanager and Kyle Seager.
16:41 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And we could say this for at least one of these two guys because he made this very public,
16:45 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Ziggler was pretty disgruntled at this point and was not a huge fan of the Mariners organization.
16:52 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how he was as a leader to somebody like Jared Colnick, like when I remember when Kyle Ziggler came off the field at the end of the 21 season, Jared had some tears in his eyes, so there's clearly some connection there.
17:07 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: but like what kind of, I don't think the leadership of that 21 team compares to what this group in last year and this current year in 2026 had where I say it's a healthier team construct for a young player to come in and fail and have the support around him.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
17:29 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not the same leadership from that team as it now is with this team.
17:34 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell what other story.
17:36 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: which, again, I don't think is really out there, although if you talk to people and are around the game much, it's not the world's best kept secret, but I don't know if it's been written about or anything.
17:50 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: When Jared got sent down to the minor leagues, it was either the first or second time.
17:54 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a story we've heard from enough different people that he was so furious after a strikeout once in Tacoma, that
18:03 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes into the Rainier's Clubhouse and with a bat essentially breaks every single toilet in that Clubhouse, like one by one, smashed it, smashed it, smashed it, like complete meltdown, like insanity.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he had to pay for it.
18:20 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of you were probably gonna hear that story and laugh and say, oh my God, that's insane.
18:24 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of you were probably gonna hear that story and say, well this is why the Mariners got rid of him.
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't figure it out mentally.
18:33 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear a story like that, and truly, like I said at the start of this, I feel so bad for them.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many ways where this could have worked out.
18:40 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you hear a story like that, it just shows that, again, with different messages being sent to you, internally, like in your ears, reactions like that don't happen, because that is so next level.
18:58 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: for one strike out when you're so mad about it, that it leads to behavior like that.
19:04 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just makes me wish he had more positive messaging in his ear and more of the right people in his ear.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause again, that's not normal.
19:11 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna destroy every toilet in a minor league clubhouse.
19:16 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he was tightly wound up.
19:17 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he was fiery.
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do we think that is?
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't just happen overnight.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's enough bringing with that stuff.
19:26 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It is possible that even if everything around him was right, that he still fails.
19:31 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Because of course, Prospect's boss all the time, but you're right, we'd love to have love to see him have that opportunity knowing what we know now.
19:38 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, there's no guarantee.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say what I said at the start.
19:41 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It is ultimately on the player to figure it out with your own career.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, again.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We told you guys, we tell you some stories.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There are definitely a couple stories in there that I don't think are really out there with ton.
19:53 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we know.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we've heard.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we said, we're transparent with you guys.
19:56 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_01]: When we hear things, that we think are interesting.
19:59 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as we're not going to get in crazy trouble for it, we'll share it.
20:03 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have heard those stories.
20:05 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the stuff about his dad certainly the clubhouse story into comma.
20:09 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just makes you wish, man.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Things have gone so differently.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not much of a hugger in general.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could just give Jared Hogg, honestly.
20:19 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because I just, I just feel for him.
20:23 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Total out of a very, of totally reasonable thing.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people failed him.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, it's ultimately on him.
20:29 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the player, but people failed him.
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21:52 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with our Patreon questions.
21:54 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We have Michael who asks, is there a reasonable in-season answer to the Dan Wilson problem?
22:04 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's not because unless somebody's going to get in his ear and tell them to start managing differently and start going off the numbers and the process more, what do you fix?
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you change this in season?
22:17 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He has to one be willing to adapt and to then go execute it, are those things going to happen?
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I say it's pretty simple.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He either improves or he gets fired.
22:30 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
22:30 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You like the problem solves.
22:32 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry, not just gets fired, but then the matters we need to put an intro manager in there who doesn't better job.
22:39 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It.
22:40 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems unlikely.
22:42 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we said on the last episode on Wednesday's podcast.
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what the Mariners signed up for.
22:47 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They say that everything he does in the clubhouse is so great that it outweighs all.
22:53 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: the poor in-game management that goes on on the field.
22:56 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't buy all that because I think the stuff on the field has affected wins and losses.
23:01 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It certainly didn't apply offs.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what the Mariners believe.
23:04 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, they've signed up for this.
23:06 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There are things that we could sit here and say, yes, here's how it could improve.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But how do the Mariners themselves improve it?
23:12 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it does, man.
23:13 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's either he is willing to adapt and get better with the decisions, or it's gonna stay the same.
23:21 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: or they let someone else make the decisions.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But it seems unlikely.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem very unlikely.
23:29 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Bryson on Patreon and Bryson asks, as long-time EverSON Hancock supporters, how does it feel that he's finally breaking out?
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
23:40 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's one of the best dudes you'll ever meet, not even just baseball, people.
23:44 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: so cool.
23:46 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And sure, there's the whole element of him being a number six pick out of Georgia and him starting to figure out how to adapt in a big league setting and figuring out how to miss bats and figuring out how to be truly effective.
23:58 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But we've talked so much about the numbers.
24:00 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about him lowering his arm angle by five or six degrees in previous episodes.
24:06 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about how he's got three real pitches now with the fastball, the sinker, and the sweeper.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about a lot of the nuts and bolts of it.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: How does it feel?
24:14 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels awesome because this podcast is an Emerson Hancock supporting podcast.
24:18 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We are Emerson Hancock guys through and through and to see them have the success?
24:23 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we take victory laps for that for his sake.
24:27 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for him because this is also a really long stretch he's been healthy and part of the reason I think at the beginning of his career he wasn't as successful is because he wasn't totally healthy.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't get the volume of innings under him that he needed.
24:42 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he's finally healthy and he gets his velocity back and then he's finding the things that don't work.
24:47 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So now he has the runway again to tanker and get to a point where it actually does work for him.
24:53 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Pitcher should do if something's not working, you're either not going to fix it and be bad or you're going to try and at least try and fix it and it could potentially work out for you and through two starts this year and he's going to get quite a test this weekend against the Houston Astros for how well he's pitched it's it's for through two starts really worked out for him and that makes us very happy we tell him when we see him like you you've looked great this is.
25:22 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: were thrilled for you.
25:23 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Although it's funny, Emerson doesn't like hearing a lot of that stuff.
25:28 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You can just tell, we love Emerson and he's always great to talk.
25:31 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great talker, super friendly, always awesome to us, but he does not like to take in a lot of the praise.
25:38 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He is very like, I gotta keep getting better.
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta keep getting better.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta find ways to be more effective.
25:44 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He just working like a, yeah, we played great.
25:48 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, he immediately turns it to the team, the team, which, honestly, yet again just speaks to who Emerson Hancock is.
25:56 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Eric on Patreon.
25:58 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Eric's question is, did Brian will give Mike trout the chin music on purpose?
26:04 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, he did not.
26:06 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're well, I mean, he threw up an in on purpose, but he wasn't trying to intimidate Mike trout or throw at him.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: tie butt tree.
26:19 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts.
26:21 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I mean, did, did some of you guys see on Twitter that after the video, we made about that whole thing and saying how dumb is take was on it that he's like, let me on the podcast, so I can explain ball to you guys.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Over my dead body, dude, not a chance.
26:40 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
26:40 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Brian Wu was definitely pitching up and in to my
26:45 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_00]: try and exploit his weak spots and sometimes pictures will throw up and into get guys off the plate who crowd the plate and there's always risk of hitting the batter in that case.
26:56 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just baseball.
26:57 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
26:58 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian we was trying to throw a strike at the upper end part of the zone.
27:02 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he was not trying to hit my trout.
27:05 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, usually the angels of the ones who start these things, well, you had to do his weight later in the week?
27:11 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but then you have all their fans saying that Mariners fans are deranged and delusional, etc.
27:16 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: When you've got angels fans, apparently sending Casey like a mean of threats, like nice going guys.
27:22 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Sick.
27:23 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Divish wrote a story on that it literally said Casey like me and a new what was waiting for him when he opened his phone after that came on Sunday and and and and And case he said I don't really read them.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I just delete them.
27:35 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to ignore him But yeah, oh here come here come all the flurry of threats from angels fans who were the ones calling mariners deranged and call him delusional But then here they are sending threats to a picture because he accidentally hit somebody.
27:50 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, that I don't even know what to say but
27:53 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you must move on to the next one.
27:55 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You must have next question comes from Kate on you must have missed Davis writing that.
27:59 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a thing.
28:00 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I missed it.
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I missed it.
28:02 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:03 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see it.
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:05 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Based some baseball fans are something.
28:09 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say that.
28:10 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Cade on Patreon, Cade's question is, are it how many years are we going to keep having the same conversation around this team, elite pitching, inconsistent offense, and everyone's saying it will just click eventually?
28:26 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we've said that guys.
28:28 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we do think, obviously, it's only been 13 games.
28:32 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that, but we made it very clear.
28:34 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think on the last podcast on social media,
28:40 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's where I think 95% of the heads of people are at.
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's totally warranted.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody deep down knows it's early.
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Deep down everybody knows that.
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But nobody, and I mean nobody, including us, wants to hear about that.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear about, oh, don't worry guys.
28:56 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, eventually it'll just fix itself.
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's true or not.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to hear about that.
29:01 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, like, I understand why people are frustrated and don't want to hear these stories.
29:07 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to sit here and blow smoke either.
29:10 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But when will it change in terms of OE pitching, struggling offensive?
29:16 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think your answer is good as my on that, man.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we have a perfect answer.
29:21 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I do disagree with part of this question because at the end, Cades says this looks like the same team we've been watching for years.
29:28 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we only have to go back one year to see the exact opposite.
29:33 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners were four and eight last year and then what did they do last after they were four and eight?
29:37 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, then they finished April on a really good note.
29:40 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They went 16 and 4 and had the best offense and baseball in that stretch.
29:44 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like quite literally that is different.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, now don't mention June.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not going to mention June.
29:51 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to also mention the roster last year was significantly worse than this year.
29:55 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That should give you optimism that things can literally change on a whim if you want to.
30:00 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, there are 4 and 8 after losing a game in 12 innings at home to the
30:07 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely pretty bad after that game.
30:10 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you say the roster last year was worse, you mean at this time last year.
30:14 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, correct.
30:14 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: At this time last year, you had rowdy to les, you had Donovan Solano, you had pitchers hurt.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not what you want.
30:22 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
30:23 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think everything you just said is true, but I also know fans don't want to hear all the coping mechanisms.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They just want to know why they're not hitting.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.
30:33 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think again, two things can be true.
30:35 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It is objectively early in the season, but nobody wants to hear about that it's early in the season.
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Zander on Patreon.
30:43 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Zander's question is, is there a world where we see cult come up, Donovan moved a left field, and Randy moved a DH?
30:51 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, not tomorrow, by the end of the weekend, but yes, everybody wonders when cult comes up.
30:59 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: How is this all gonna maneuver itself to get everybody the right playing time?
31:03 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems pretty simple to me, man.
31:05 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Brendan Donovan has played the most games in his career at second base, and the second most in left field, where he is a perfectly average defender.
31:11 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy Arozerina is not defending in left field, and Colt Emerson is going to play third basis here with JP Crawford still on the team.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems pretty simple to me.
31:20 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy ain't playing the field, at least not a majority of the time, unless there's a lefty on the mound, and then you have Colt III and Donovan in the left.
31:29 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So when there's a righty on the mound, I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
31:33 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: When there's a lefty on the mound, sure, then you could see Reft Snyder, D-H-A-N, and then you could see
31:40 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy and left and maybe then Donovan at third and maybe Colt gets a day off in that sense stuff like that, but yes, I think that is very real Your defense would get better in third and left.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's different for certain.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you taking Dom canzone off the roster?
31:56 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That case?
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That part I don't know what exactly you do.
32:00 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're going to have ref snider or canzone going to be out the roster.
32:05 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll, sure, be, oh, look, when Colt comes up, there has to be a corresponding move.
32:09 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's gonna be off the roster.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to cut one of them.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Is Ken's own ad options?
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he is.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had one more.
32:21 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell me.
32:22 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had another option.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He, oh, he has two options.
32:26 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Dom, Ken's own a good ad to come on.
32:29 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see how everybody's playing by that time.
32:33 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we'll write now, if it were to happen tomorrow, which again, it's not, but if it were, the moves Connor Joe, who's off the roster, because Robla has just got hurt.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You're under the assumption all four right fielders are healthy.
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, correct.
32:48 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's realistic.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's realistic.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:51 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the situation.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what exactly they do.
32:52 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: By, let's say the end of May, because that's when we've predicted he'll get up.
32:57 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see who's hitting by then and who's not and who the corresponding move is.
33:01 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Alex on Patreon asks, uh, after seeing the Red Sox double celebration is a cringey Roman Anthony TikTok video, which Mariner is most likely to have an old cringey TikTok video.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a great question.
33:17 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You've seen that Roman Anthony TikTok, right?
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's bad.
33:21 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's, again, he's in high school, which by the way, what is going on with his arm?
33:27 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Was he supposed to have a good arm?
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Solid enough, yes.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not supposed to be like this.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's either got to be her or maybe as the yep something.
33:37 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Fatigue, anything's possible.
33:39 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Fatigue in April, I don't know.
33:41 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, I don't know about that.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Never know.
33:43 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you sleep on your shoulder, funny, and it's just not moving the way it should.
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:48 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you can look at his prospect grades.
33:50 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was supposed to be about a 50-field, a 50-throw, so average to above average, not like what we've seen in the first week and a half.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, to answer the question,
34:00 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: the mariner most likely to have an old tic-tac that would go honestly so easy so easy I was going to say potentially who you because he's very i don't know he's charismatic he's out there like i wouldn't be surprised he had some old dance that resurfaced it's cool young yes no i mean he grew up he is the one who grew up in the tic-tac era on the roster
34:28 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But you say that like he's so much younger than Julio, who is 25?
34:32 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Julio has been, I don't know, Julio has been playing professional baseball since Cole Young, before Cole Young was in high school.
34:42 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, Cole Young does have a slightly funny side to him, and he's definitely got some personality.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: When you get him going,
34:49 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if he like post-tiktok.
34:54 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it would be more likely to do that Roman Anthony video in high school?
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio or Coll Young?
34:59 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Coll Young.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say this.
35:03 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Coll Young and Roman Anthony are solid friends.
35:06 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree.
35:09 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
35:09 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of anyone else because everyone else is too old, I think.
35:13 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:14 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I know they say TikTok, but what if it's just some...
35:18 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: old dance somebody did again the the video of cows a kid got resurfaced last year got sent out of him said that's not a grimsy tiktok dance no but I'm just saying it could be an old video on the home run derby champ oh I actually have my second choice now brisemiller oh I'd buy that one
35:36 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, Bryce Miller literally has a TikTok that's made its rounds.
35:40 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that one of him in the clubhouse with Spring Training, where he does a, what does he do?
35:44 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He does a head flip, roll, and then he, to the music.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm talking about, right?
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:49 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a TikTok, a Bryce Miller, who's like, he's holding, he's like lying on the ground, he's got his phone out, and then he stands up and like rolls over his head, essentially.
36:01 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
36:01 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I could totally see Bryce with like sunglasses, a cowboy and a cowboy hat doing that.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not?
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I like it.
36:08 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, like Bryce, like he doesn't really, he doesn't give a shit.
36:12 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I could totally, totally see him doing that.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Not, not in the sense of like he doesn't give a shit about his on-field play and his work ethic.
36:20 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's an incredibly hard worker, but in the sense of like just being charismatic, yeah, in terms of being himself.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like does Bryce Miller care about what other people think of him?
36:30 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think at all.
36:31 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: In that way, no, he does not give a shit.
36:34 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from NERFAN on YouTube, and the question is, with the way the Mariners are performing, do you think the timeline has possibly been sped up for prospects outside of Cold Emerson?
36:48 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because if Cold Emerson's not ready, I don't think you're rushing anybody else.
36:52 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it with Lazz, that Lazz is going to have to spend at least half of this season in AA again before he even gets moved up to Tacoma, and he has to prove his strike out rate can be manageable.
37:04 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he has got to strike out somewhere, at least in the mid 20%.
37:10 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He cannot be striking out 32% of the time like he did last year.
37:13 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael O'Royow, again, similar, like, needs a little more time.
37:18 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Could he get up this year?
37:19 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I don't think it's, it's been rushed.
37:22 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The prospects you're most likely to see are the two pitchers and Kdanters and Ryan Sloan, but those guys same thing.
37:27 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be till later in the summer.
37:29 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no glaring need from those guys on the Mariners roster.
37:34 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: To bring them back to Jared Kelnick, there was a glaring need for offense when they rushed him to the big leagues.
37:40 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The four guys I think of in this case are Laz, Michael O'Royo, Kate Anderson, and Ryan Sloan.
37:46 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Do the Mariners have a pressing needed for any of those players on the roster?
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The answer to that question is no.
37:52 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless you wanna throw one of those guys in the bullpen, I don't think that's pressing enough to rush them to the big leagues.
37:58 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, no.
37:58 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael O'Royo and Laz Montez would need to have like a 170 WRC plus in AA.
38:03 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: For them, the Mariners even think about rushing them to the big leagues.
38:08 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from username starts with French on YouTube and the question is, who would have expected Cole Young to be the mayor's best player 13 games in?
38:19 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we're also a Cole Young podcast.
38:21 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We can put our hands up for Cole Young.
38:23 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm kidding.
38:24 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we expected Cole Young's mom.
38:27 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
38:28 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we expected to call young to be the best player through two weeks, but again, I think I was pretty confident that he would take some strides forward, so I'm thrilled to see that he's doing that.
38:37 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thrilled to see that he's been hitting lefties, but
38:41 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think anybody predicted this for Cole Young going to be the best player through two weeks, because again, for him to do that, it means that the middle of your order is ice, ice, ice cold, and that's what they've been.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Two things can be independently true.
38:55 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great for Cole and bad for the team that this is true.
38:58 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree, I think that's fair.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I looked it up before you get to the next question.
39:06 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me preface it by saying it's only been five games so far.
39:09 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But as we currently said, Las Montez is walking just under 16% of the time in AA.
39:15 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good.
39:16 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He is striking out just shy of 53% of the time.
39:20 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only been five games.
39:23 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but through 19 plate appearances, his strikeout rate is 52.6%.
39:30 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this was just an organizational thing because there's another really glaring strikeout metric that how bring up here in a little bit related to one of these questions.
39:40 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Might be, uh, might be a bit of an orght thing right now.
39:43 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Lads has played five games this year.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna lose, I'm not gonna lose any sleep yet.
39:49 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But, again, he has to cut the strikeout rate down for everybody that loves seeing the home runs on social media when they get posted.
39:57 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're great, but I would go on fan graphs pretty regularly and be checking his walk rate and checking the strikeout rate.
40:04 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you want to know what's going to get him called up, those two things.
40:08 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Blake asks, is the team swing speed actually down and is this a coaching move to try and increase average over slugging?
40:16 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this a decent bit on Wednesday's podcast and just to summarize it again, there's no way to know for sure that it's a philosophy change.
40:26 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We would have to ask around more, other people would have to ask around more to get a definitive answer on it.
40:30 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We can try, we'll certainly try and talk to some people.
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But are the bat speeds down?
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like all the numbers show that.
40:39 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: TV Day, the numbers do bear out that their bad speeds are down, but I think we also need to see some more games as well to get an idea whether this team is just bad offensively or they're going through a bad stretch, which both could be true.
40:55 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Amos on Twitter and the question is, when you think the Mariners are going to hit some switch and go back to the Mariners we all know and love, I'm just going to jump out and answer this question.
41:06 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: This is as Mariners on brand Mariners right now is humanly possible.
41:12 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:13 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Mariners we know in love.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Take you back to 2015.
41:18 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Expectations as high as humanly possible.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They won less than 80 games that year.
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Next, how about this?
41:28 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: July?
41:28 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's when it'll happen.
41:31 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll still win 90 plus games though when the West, but Is there a possibility they could just
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: drive everybody crazy until the middle of the year?
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, possible.
41:43 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope not.
41:43 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly hope not, but it's possible.
41:46 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It can be like the 2023 team, the team that we declared the most five hundred team of all time.
41:51 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a point like the middle of the season, the mariner has had been five exactly five hundred eighteen times.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Insane.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's an insane step.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Shane.
42:02 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This is also also a good one.
42:05 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, what has bothered me most with Seattle fans is is there no faith or loyalty?
42:15 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think there's faith and loyalty and I think it's been tested beyond belief in the last 25 years.
42:20 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: 25, 50 years.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
42:24 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about the drought and then missing the playoffs in 23 and 24, but yes,
42:31 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could add in the fact they were worse before the 90s, yet the Mariners crowd-wise usually draw on the top half of the league every year, like there are butts and seats at these games, even when people are tested, even when things aren't going well, compared to the rest of the league, they actually averaged out okay in terms of attendance.
42:51 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say loyalty is not a question, I think
42:56 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because people are angry about how the team is playing right now does not mean they're not loyal.
43:01 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think honestly it might mean they're even more loyal and they're people eventually just want a good thing to be good for a while.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of us.
43:09 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We're the perfect demographic for this who have never seen a Mariners team that is good from start to finish.
43:14 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's who people want.
43:16 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I also, everyone else in baseball gets it.
43:18 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Why can't we get it?
43:19 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
43:20 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think, and I'm not blaming anybody for doing this.
43:23 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We do it all the time, all the time.
43:26 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is what happens when you spend too much time on Twitter and feel like there's a potentially a lack of loyalty, because when you get your mass opinion from Twitter, you're going to see a lot of negative.
43:43 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Matt on Twitter.
43:46 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He asks, what's the problem with bringing up Colt right now to get a desperately needed Joel on offense and defense?
43:55 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we talked about this pre-recording.
43:57 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Fire away, Siege.
43:58 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson and Tacoma right now has a 112 WRC plus and today, he had another good game offensively.
44:05 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is currently in Tacoma striking out 32% of the time and walking 2.7% of the time.
44:14 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: that is not feasible at the big league level.
44:17 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So Colt Emerson will be staying down into coma until he gets those numbers closer to each other.
44:24 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, guys, like 20 and 10.
44:26 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, guys, I know it's enticing.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you want to see them.
44:29 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to see them, too.
44:30 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But if everybody can just get in their head, expect Memorial Day or slightly later, I think we as a society as Mariners fans will be able to be in a little bit of a better headspace.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna solve all the losing issues, right?
44:44 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, again, I'm not saying having a different mindset with Colt Demerson is gonna make the entire situation feel better and where the record stands.
44:52 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can just accept, okay, cold Emerson's going to be up Memorial Day or later, lock that in.
44:58 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody can digest it a little bit easier.
45:02 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of always asking where's cold, where's cold, where's cold, just try and say that to yourself.
45:07 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Memorial Day or later for cold Emerson, Memorial Day or June.
45:10 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What that is telling me is that he does not have control of the triple A strike zone.
45:14 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:15 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he's not controlling triple A pitching, then he's definitely not going to be controlling majorly pitching at this moment.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you were to bring him up,
45:23 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So we say with all prospects, he would disappoint you.
45:26 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Prospects have never disappointed you ever.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Cole Emerson's gonna come up at this point, he is going to disappoint you.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want that for Cole.
45:34 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I want him to only impress when he comes up to the big leagues.
45:38 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why so many people love Lazz.
45:40 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Lazz is never disappointed because most people just see the big home runs in the crazy power.
45:45 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If he was in the big leagues, I don't think, especially right now, maybe again, one day he could absolutely figure it out.
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you want to see that version of Lazzmont has.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing with Cole.
45:58 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Jared Tellmick we spent 15 minutes on at the start of this podcast, and you remember what happened to him when he got called up too early.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that to Cole.
46:05 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You need him to be your shortstop for 10 plus years, and one of the better players on your team.
46:10 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Potentially one of the better players in baseball.
46:13 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Let him be ready.
46:13 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Let him be ready so he never has to go back.
46:16 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Dustin has a statement, the slump in my mind is because you didn't improve the team.
46:21 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You brought back the majority of, you brought back almost everybody and my wrong.
46:27 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, man, church was on with us before the start of the season and said something similar.
46:33 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He was lower on the mariners and they're win total than everybody because he said they were still multiple bats short.
46:40 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners wouldn't and retained a lot of their own guys, which is great.
46:43 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It helps them keep the core of that team together that they had last year through the run of the playoffs.
46:48 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But was there an argument?
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They were multiple backshort?
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
46:52 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not a locked-in solution in right field.
46:56 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not a locked-in solution at say third base, at least before you traded for Donovan.
47:02 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, like, like, you know, it's not a locked-in situation at D.H. Sure, but that's not the reason they stink right now.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the reason they're not hitting is because everybody is collectively struggling.
47:13 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But just remember, just if this continues, just remember what Churchill said.
47:18 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, like, the Mariners were multiple bad short in the office, even.
47:22 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That would rear-toed in the postseason out imagine or down the stretch in big series, not in April when your best players are bad.
47:29 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: When your best players are your worst players, that's why you're slumping.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I disagree with that statement.
47:35 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, the team last year made the ALCS.
47:37 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They're good.
47:39 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the team is still right now very good and they're very talented.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they perfect?
47:43 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not perfect, but I don't see that.
47:47 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, they're odds to win the world series are still in the top three to five across all the odds makers.
47:52 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course this is a good team.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've kept that statement true.
47:57 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying if this continues, I would just remember what Churchill said.
48:03 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, all these stars are gonna figure it out.
48:05 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course they are.
48:08 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Just let's just see what the offense looks like by mid-season and see, okay, is this a good enough offense or did they need more bets?
48:15 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we know for sure one way or another, time will tell.
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're getting philosophical.
48:33 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: People want to have us answer religion questions.
48:37 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like that clip of one of our favorites, Frank the Tank, when he gets asked, Frank, do you think God exists?
48:44 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And Frank goes, yes.
48:47 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe he hates the Mets.
48:51 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be true, maybe God hates the Mariners.
48:54 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: could be I will leave this up to everybody they can make the decision on this one I think that's fair and whatever whatever you want to believe you can believe yes I think there's a wide range of opinions on that Next question comes from C. Wol from the question is with the Mariners consider trading Emerson Hancock if it brought us brought the Mariners back a leverage reliever as sad as I would be legitimately heartbroken
49:21 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not impossible, right?
49:22 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If Emerson keeps pitching like this and keeps upping his value, the Mariners are gonna have to make some decisions at some point.
49:29 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if Emerson proves he is a legit difference making Big League starter over some real stretch of time, then you've got Logan Gilbert, Brian Lude, George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Luis Castillo, Ann Emerson Hancock, six legit Big League starters with Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan waiting in the wings.
49:49 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, you're going to have to make some decisions with your rotation.
49:53 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the craziest idea in the world?
49:55 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I certainly hope it doesn't happen.
49:57 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I will be heartbroken.
49:58 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But as the logic behind that thinking somewhat sound, yeah, I think it's sound.
50:06 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get super specific with this question, because the wording is with the Mariners consider Emerson Hancock for a high-level delivery.
50:14 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
50:15 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They would trade Emerson Hancock for a package that might include a reliever, but if Emerson's as good as he's shown, and he truly has changed, the Mariners know the value of that.
50:28 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think a leverage reliever is the return they would want.
50:32 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so now you're getting into the specifics of the actual return and you mean they'd probably want a young bat or another young arm, et cetera, along with a reliever.
50:41 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there would not trade a controllable, good, major league starting pitcher for a reliever.
50:47 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:47 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now one for one at least.
50:50 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
50:50 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
50:50 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: A reliever is part of the return?
50:53 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:53 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think about his overall thinking of is he, unfortunately, for this podcast,
51:01 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Potentially on the table if this keeps happening with the log down they'd have the starters I don't think they're gonna try to trade him no because unfortunately how it is they have guys in this rotation They will trade before Emerson Hancock Who are closer to free agency and more expensive.
51:18 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can Again, which like yeah, and ultimately you're right They will not be looking to ship them out of town no way especially if he keeps pitching like this because he is very controllable
51:30 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But it does continue to bring up, again, man, do things get interesting of Emerson just keeps pitching well.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_01]: How does this all shake out?
51:40 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if this keeps going on into the summer.
51:42 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be very, very interesting.
51:46 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Alex on Instagram.
51:49 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the best case scenario for the M's at the end of April?
51:53 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to get right to the answer to this question.
51:55 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_00]: 229.
51:55 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They went out.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How about five games over 500?
52:00 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
52:03 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That works.
52:03 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, because that the rest of the way, well, if they're four and nine, you're saying they win 18 straight, right?
52:09 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So they've 18 more games.
52:11 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So if they're four and nine, to be five over, they would have to win like,
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
52:18 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd have to be like 13.
52:20 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: God, I'm such a dumbass.
52:22 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do math.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we went to ASU.
52:24 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever five games over is.
52:26 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They would lose.
52:28 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They would go 14 and 4 to be five games over.
52:31 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a really good stretch, man.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be what they did last year, essentially.
52:37 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that is what feels like best case scenario.
52:41 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke on Instagram asks, what's going to happen if the Mariners lose another series is the lineup going
52:49 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, your guy's going to get traded, no.
52:52 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Move down.
52:54 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine that any of Cal, Julio and Nailer are going to just get moved down.
52:58 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, where do they go?
53:00 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, you're going to have those guys hit six, seven, the eighth.
53:03 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time believing that.
53:06 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have to be struggling into July for these guys to get moved down or June.
53:12 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They might not wait three whole months, like if Cal's slugging 300 and hitting 120 with no home runs into June, he's going to get moved down in the lineup.
53:25 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But another series, no, they're going to stay right where they are.
53:29 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from just Riley on Instagram.
53:37 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, taking truth serum and not over play on this.
53:42 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Two, maybe three.
53:44 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to really have much of a concern level through 13 games.
53:48 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm at a three.
53:50 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's about right.
53:55 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can be much more concerned than that.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Check back what that's at the end of April.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
54:01 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Hunter on Instagram asks how many more series losses need to happen
54:09 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is similar to the question earlier, right?
54:11 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there any way for an in-season adjustment or like, with Dan Wilson or how do the decisions get better?
54:17 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it a certain, isn't essentially a similar question, which the answer would be, I think things would have to go very south, right?
54:27 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: In-did, June, we would need to see multiple bad months with bad decision-making to realize that something needs to change here.
54:39 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: they would give a time.
54:41 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're thinking like higher management than that with Jerry or Justin, like that would need to be made in July, if that were the case.
54:47 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that's going to be the case because I think they did their job this year.
54:51 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They did and again, and not just with the Big League roster, again, the farm system is in such a great place as good as ever.
54:57 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They continue to draft grade.
55:00 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: they just made the playoffs that that wouldn't happen and with Dan Wilson you're right they would have to be into June and and really be losing they would have to be what eight eight to ten games under five hundred and June in last place yeah and not only are they bad like they would the vibes would be really bad like there were you would feel the media pressure there would be bad decisions getting made that that would is what would need to happen yeah
55:26 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Two more Vinny asks on Instagram is a two early for an Etsy witch.
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's never too early for an Etsy witch, Vinny.
55:35 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I painted Etsy witch to try and get Kyle Tucker to the Mariners.
55:37 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't work, but I tried.
55:39 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get your money back, by the way?
55:40 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
55:42 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw in the description that if it doesn't come true, you get refunded.
55:46 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I should probably work on that.
55:49 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it expired.
55:51 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Things have a return policy expiration.
55:58 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: $9.
55:58 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: $7.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
55:59 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what Kyle Tucker's worth to me.
56:10 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, close it out with Nenslow on Instagram.
56:14 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is Patrick Wisdom?
56:15 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We need someone who can catch lightning in a bottle, not a guy.
56:20 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we did just post a clip about this here on Thursday and we talked about it on Wednesday's podcast.
56:26 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a viable solution, Patrick Wisdom.
56:29 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's got seven homers down into coma and he started red hot, but those stories of the journeymen, big leagueers, who are crushing it in the PCL or crushing it in AAA, very, very rarely do you ever hear about those guys getting up and long-term helping the offense?
56:47 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's make you comparison to help out the people.
56:50 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_00]: is Mike Ford gonna save the Mariners offense?
56:54 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
56:54 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that man was just destroying baseball's into coma.
56:57 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he had something like an 1100 OPS, a thousand, something like that.
57:01 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Wisdom, feel a little bit like Mike Ford?
57:04 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
57:05 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I know people hate the streakiness of this offense to the fact they strike out a ton and they right now don't walk enough.
57:13 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Wisdom's not going to help you with that.
57:15 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he's going to make it worse.
57:16 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Ford in 2023 into coma had a 1031 OPS.
57:20 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's.
57:22 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He was crushing.
57:23 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:25 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, where's Patrick Wisdom going to play?
57:27 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's job is he taking?
57:29 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan Donovan, Josh Nailers, the oldense where he plays.
57:33 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the only ways it could happen were either he was going to come up instead of Connor Joe, which I'm sure the Mariners value Joe's versatility and his ability to move to other positions a little bit more.
57:44 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Or when Donovan had the scare and anaheim when he stepped on first base funny, if he had had to go to the I.L.
57:52 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that would have been a 10 day solution at third base because they didn't want to bring up Colt Emerson yet and they would have brought
58:00 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see where he gets reps. No, why are you going about?
58:04 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:04 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You know who had rather be at that position?
58:06 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Colta Emerson.
58:07 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, not yet.
58:09 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not yet.
58:10 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also don't want to call a Patrick Wisdom.
58:12 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there you go.
58:15 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There you have it.
58:16 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That closes our mega mail bag.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Our second one, ever.
58:20 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, we're gonna have to do more during the year.
58:22 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: When the Mariners come off a just atrocious series, I think that'll be a chance for a mega mail bag pretty often, because instead of actually wasting time talking about a series, nobody wants to hear about, we'll just answer everybody's questions.
58:35 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:35 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe more stories next time too, who knows?
58:39 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we got stories, we can tell stories.
58:42 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But that was fun guys, hopefully we helped with some of the coping of getting through the week.
58:49 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I know people are gonna hate it, but I'm in the camp right now that it is early.
58:54 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They're playing terribly, but it is tech, it is early.
58:59 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think about 95% of the people are 100% with you.
59:03 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There'll be a few crazy people out there that legitimately think it's over.
59:07 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: 95% of the people know that's somewhere deep down in their hearts.
59:10 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just nobody wants to hear about it.
59:13 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The team is not fun to watch.
59:14 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That we can all agree on right now.
59:16 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Not right now they're not.
59:17 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
59:18 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, good stuff.
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