Lyle and TJ discuss the Mariners taking the first three games against the Astros, and whether or not they fixed the offense (2:30). They chat about the response to their lowered bat speed (15:41), and if they think the Astros are going hold up for the rest of the year (36:00).
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00:00 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 389 of the Marine Lair podcast will react to the Mariners taking the first three games against the Houston Astros and answer the question if the offense is back.
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00:47 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening April 12 while I have a take I think the broken eachro statue bat just saved the mariner's offense I mean they are three and oh and they've gone nuclear this weekend.
01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you answer me a question though?
01:09 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Who uh who broke that that
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you asked that question.
01:16 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't realize there were so many layers to the situation that unfolded this weekend.
01:22 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Until we were talking to some fans and gathering all the information required and realized there was some film of everything.
01:30 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, people have the video of,
01:32 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: the tarp getting pulled off the statue, but what we didn't see originally while was a shot of the statue, the tarp, and then everyone pulling the tarp off the statue.
01:47 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's just say the bat fell a certain direction when it was pulled off.
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It went backwards, yes.
01:56 --> 01:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:57 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There were a few people taking the tarp off, one of them in which the bat was pointed at was John Stanton.
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked that question for seizures like, because yeah, we saw the video.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost positive he broke it.
02:15 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If anyone is going to break it though, it's probably him because he paid for the statue and it has to pay for the repair anyway.
02:24 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he goes to sleep better, thinking to himself, well, at least I have to pay for my own mistake and not having to pay for somebody else's mistake.
02:31 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Jarrett.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you asked, I think John Stan, hey, John.
02:35 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a really shitty offensive season so far.
02:40 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to break the battle in each row's statue, but the Mariners will turn it around offensively.
02:48 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And when the first three games of the series, I think he would have done it every time.
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's probably one of, and they fixed it overnight.
02:54 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine now, so.
02:56 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We were walking out of the stadium, like well after the game was over.
02:59 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And they had a full crew repairing the bat.
03:03 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you go to team old park now, the bat's perfectly fine.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder, I was, we were asking people about this.
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: How does the bat break?
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
03:15 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Were the ones, it's like a solid metal statue, right?
03:18 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
03:19 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it not screwed on tightly enough or wielded it on tightly enough, whatever you want to call it?
03:24 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess not.
03:25 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe there was some corrosion in the handle that caused it to do that.
03:30 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
03:31 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we got an answer, but I've never seen that before.
03:34 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Because these things, you know, it's bending metal's tough and the thing is going to sit out in
03:47 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_01]: comes along to Timo Mark.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to withstand all of it.
03:51 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And the bat breaks via a tarp during its reveal.
03:56 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
03:58 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now you're asking me to get into mechanical engineering, which I'm going to shock everybody.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I know zero about.
04:04 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So other than seeing the video of a statue getting broken, I can't break down the analytics a bit much more than that.
04:10 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause yeah, I ain't getting into mechanical engineering.
04:13 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe, maybe eventually, maybe by episode 800, you'll be a little more versed in mechanical engineering.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you don't think so?
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
04:25 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.
04:28 --> 04:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
04:28 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
04:28 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Did it actually fix the marathon's offense, do you think that was a reason?
04:33 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do we want to call this a 2026 Etsy wedge and say, yes?
04:39 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Believe what you want to believe in if you believe it lifted a curse believe it if the Mariners go on and win the world series now I feel like you got to and put that bat in in the Mariners Hall of Fame and put a new one in there Said I honestly think that that would be too valuable sitting out there on the street Then it would be like in the Mariners Hall of Fame or whatever I think it's on the terrace club.
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a bunch of cool stuff.
05:01 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where it would belong if they went one the world series Sure
05:06 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They rip off like a 161 pace from here to the end of the season.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd want to keep that thing safe.
05:12 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when someone stole Junior's bat when they put out his statue?
05:17 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
05:18 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone's going to do the same thing with each other except they're going to turn around and try and sell it.
05:21 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I have the Mariners World Series statue bat right here.
05:26 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But you'd have to be a absolutely delusional person to actually think,
05:36 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: People are grittiest fuck, but it's also been stopped anyone before, I would be a little surprised.
05:46 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
05:48 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A little.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: People like valuable things.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be a pretty valuable.
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: At least in our, in our stance.
05:55 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, if you're holding this up saying I have the Mariners world series bat because you think it broke a curse 15 games in, I mean, how would psycho would you have to be to do that?
06:04 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're Mariners fans.
06:07 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We solely believe in Etsy which pushed the Mariners to the ALCS last year.
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you put it like that,
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything to happen?
06:19 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you not pay for an Etsy witch to get Kyle Tucker?
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Thinking it wasn't gonna work?
06:23 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't work.
06:24 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you thought we thought it was gonna work.
06:27 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I pulled that all the strength.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I did what I could do.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, nobody let me write the paychecks.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you'd be here right now.
06:34 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This franchise is in season 50 without a world series.
06:37 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're not willing as fans to try every single thing possible to make a world series, now I don't know what you want me to tell you.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: less than man.
06:49 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: If they run off 106 win pace from here, you won't hear me complaining.
06:54 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:54 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if they keep having the offense, do what it did this weekend.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a big help.
07:00 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start this off with a big question to you.
07:03 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Was the performance we saw this weekend?
07:06 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: More Astros pitching or Mariners offense?
07:12 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's make sure we give the Mariners off in some credit because obviously they have turned around what was a really disastrous start to the year and a really brutal road trip.
07:21 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: With a series in which they were pilot on runs, they scored nine on Friday, they scored eight on Saturday, and then they scored six on Sunday.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So they just put up a whopping 20
07:33 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: three runs over the course of three games of course I've got to get some credit and they were hitting the ball hard whoio hitting that home run on Saturday when it was a decently cold night and it wasn't easy to lift the ball out to right center you have to put bat to ball and elevate and square it up and the mariners obviously did that all that being said
07:54 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: the astros and it's current iteration with all the injuries they have really are the worst pitching staff in Major League Baseball.
08:01 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So if the mariners continue some iteration of this in San Diego, I think that would be a much easier time in place to say yeah I think they fixed whatever was struggling early in the year and they're more back on pace.
08:13 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now I'm still in a little bit of wait and see mode.
08:16 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: it hopes that they have a good series in San Diego.
08:19 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Part of the offensive successes that the bearers were just.
08:22 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They played better this weekend than they did against the angels and did against the Rangers as well.
08:27 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a hard time thinking though that the pod raise are going to walk twenty six batters and three games.
08:34 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what's happened so far against the Astros pitching staff.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an insane amount of walks.
08:40 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Astros had two starters, there's not a starter for the Astros this week, and I completed three innings.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Two of them didn't even make it to the second inning.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Two innings.
08:51 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a tattoo, yeah, my, on Friday.
08:53 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I've literally never seen what he said.
08:56 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes one-third of an inning.
08:59 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, a comma, then he flies back to Houston because he wasn't feeling, because he didn't feel like he was healthy.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And the asked was didn't feel like he was healthy.
09:08 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they call it a tired arm that they're evaluating right now.
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Tired arm on April 10th.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he may actually have fatigue and he may have to be shut down.
09:19 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to belittle an injury or something.
09:23 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But the quotes after Friday's game, yeah, I don't know, man, that that was odd.
09:31 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard a Major League pitcher say the mound was too hard?
09:36 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a first.
09:36 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard a Major League pitcher complain about 65 degree weather either.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It was an even cold.
09:43 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, imagine if Tatsuya Mai was here for the first weekend of Marus games.
09:49 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then there might have been an actual gripe, but for those who may not have seen it, Ted, so you may have to Friday's game said he had trouble adjusting on Friday because the mound was too hard, which maybe there's a little something to that.
10:01 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know how that's the whole reason you walk four guys, make it through a third of an inning, give up three runs, and then it lifted from the game.
10:09 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He also said that the temperature and the conditions
10:13 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: in which he pitched on Friday were way different and also took a justing to compare to what he's pitched compared to the weather he's pitched in in Japan look I've never been to Japan I'm not going to act like I know the weather like the back of my hand there but
10:28 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: 65 degrees in sunny with basically no wind feels like pretty calm conditions.
10:35 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know how you blame the, I don't know how you blame the atmosphere conditions for a bad start when it's like that.
10:42 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 100% with you for the Mariners offense.
10:46 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think there was a positive for this weekend.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't roll over against a bad pitching staff.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been a problem.
10:54 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners went into this weekend against the Astros and averaged three to four runs a game against this pitching staff,
11:02 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: that would be kind of an issue.
11:04 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't reach base enough.
11:05 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the big problem early in the season.
11:07 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They strike out too much and they wouldn't hit for power.
11:10 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They did all of those things this weekend.
11:11 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They reach base a lot.
11:13 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Their team on base percentage has gone way up over the course.
11:17 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: These first three games against the Astros, then what we saw on the last road trip and why there were bottom third and on base percentage.
11:24 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get like quite as many hits like I still think the Astros out hit them for the weekend because of Saturday night when the Astros had 17 hits But but still lost the game.
11:35 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The craziest out of all time live is that the Mariners have allowed 17 plus hits in a nine-ending game nine times and they won all of them And how does that happen?
11:47 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's crazy, but that it has happened.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was very real on Saturday night.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was good.
11:56 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Mariners collectively as a team, it looked good, doing it.
12:00 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And you had the Cal home run early on Saturday, which was great.
12:05 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Wanna see a lot more of those?
12:08 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio swing in the fifth inning on Saturday night was crazy.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That was such a good swing.
12:13 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what we wanna see from Julio on a cold night against a pitcher who was, that was against the colors, right?
12:21 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That was against the colors.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I knocked him out of the game.
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That was insane.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He crushed that ball.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what?
12:29 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was against Oakard.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, McCuller's.
12:32 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think McCuller's was credited with one of those runs, but it was Oakard.
12:37 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He actually hit it off our awkward.
12:38 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: However, you say it.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, regardless, very good to see from Julio.
12:43 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You still don't quite see all of it from the Mariners offense.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I say that,
12:48 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer had a whole weekend against the worst offense in the league and he got a little unlock and he was hitting them all a little bit harder, but we still haven't seen it from Josh Nailer, so I can't say the mayor's offense is back until I'm getting production from all at once, Donovan, Cal Rally, Julio, Nailer, Randy arose right now.
13:09 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've got two of the five right now and if you count Julio's
13:13 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: game on Saturday and you count as weekend as a whole where he had two hits and a walk on Sunday.
13:18 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting there.
13:20 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But when Kallen Naylor is still OPS and under five hundred Naylor's legit at $2.99 for his OPS, not average, his OPS.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not all we've got.
13:31 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: someone asked us in the pen, we're doing some fan interviews, we looked up at the big board and they're like, what's the bigger number that combined average of nailer, cow, and Julio or they're combined contract value?
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to part out.
13:48 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They're combined batting average or they're combined total dollars on their contract.
13:51 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, yes, that's what it was.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The average one is higher, but not by a lot.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not good.
14:01 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and we don't even talk about batting average much on this pot because we think it's kind of a waste, but when you're hitting for an average that low, you're going to highlight it.
14:09 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But we looked at, you look up at the, if you just, in the simplest way possible, you're trying to digest what has gone on with the Mariners offense this season and you look up at the line up and they have the average on the right hand side of the scoreboard.
14:21 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You had ref Snyder at the bottom of the line up who I feel for Rob ref Snyder man.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He still does not have a hit.
14:27 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still over on the season.
14:30 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So you had him at zero, and you have in a row, cow, Julio, and Josh Nailer.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not pretty to look at.
14:40 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but they did score 23 runs in three games, which is positive.
14:46 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Nailer has to get going.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This oven does not complete unless Nailer is at his full strength.
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But to have some of the guys get going in parts between Julio, between cow, between some others.
14:56 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good sign.
14:57 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Rayley had a good weekend too.
15:00 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And Domkins wanted a good hit, too.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't look great.
15:04 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't look as great on Sunday, but Saturday, yeah.
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the other two games a little weekend, he had some good swings.
15:10 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There's sort of a bigger picture thing we talked about earlier in the week that I went and looked to try and get an answer, too.
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16:26 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember the bat speed discussion?
16:28 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like we haven't talked about it.
16:30 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: A few podcasts episodes in a row.
16:32 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I was curious if this series had a difference in not only bat speed, but hard hit rate as well.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I found two different answers.
16:42 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: People will be pleased to hear for this series.
16:45 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners had hard hit rates much closer to last season, which is percentage of time, they hit the ball above 95 miles an hour.
16:54 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They had, and game one, it was 40%, and game two was 44%, and game three was 38%.
17:00 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of their run scoring came on walks, but they also hit the ball hard, and they hit it over the wall, which was very important.
17:09 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, if you just want to compare us to now, last year their hard hit rate was 43%.
17:18 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The number, the collective number of the weekend isn't 43%, but it's also not that far off, and it's a lot higher than their season average right now of 35%.
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a positive right there.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That we love to see.
17:32 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The bat speed, I think we might drive ourselves crazy.
17:37 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to go analyze a series worth of bat speed numbers, because even if the swings allow normalize over seven swings, based on how hard you're swinging,
17:48 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Swing speed is not context neutral.
17:52 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't know what kind of at-bat guys are in there.
17:54 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Josh Nailer, for example, today had a swing rate swung 28 miles an hour.
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: really slow.
18:02 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really so it's I got fooled and I'm like spinning around like a top.
18:06 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Those still count too and I don't like those aren't even really swings.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So those are a little bit harder to sort.
18:12 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The bat speed was kind of negligent for what we saw.
18:16 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: This is something we're going to have to wait until I think mid season to get a better sense of.
18:22 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
18:23 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And they swung it a little bit better and a little bit harder on the road when they were in Anaheim and they
18:30 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, again, if you analyze series by series, you're probably going to drive yourself up the wall.
18:36 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you sent me a tweet before we started recording by a person called Pass the iTest.
18:41 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They do a lot of baseball data talking about specifically that speed month over month, where teams tend to as the weather gets warmer.
18:55 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: swing harder.
18:56 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And the correlation is, and it's pretty close for this graph I'm looking at here on the right.
19:02 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: As it goes from April to July, the temperature increases and so does the bat speed as well.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was curious, and I went and looked last year.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariner's bat speed numbers reflected that.
19:16 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They had their slowest bat speeds of the year in April, and in May, and then it slowly progresses upwards.
19:23 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to see huge full mile an hour jumps by team over the course of the season.
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners would go up maybe half a mile an hour.
19:35 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems to be about as much as you could do in a given month.
19:40 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The only exception was in 2024, in August when service got fired, they dropped like two miles an hour as a team, but that's probably because they just sucked that month.
19:52 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were pressing, and nobody could hit.
19:55 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is interesting.
19:59 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right that you probably just need more data on it to fully analyze.
20:02 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Although I would like to see Randy's that speed hopefully come up because I haven't checked it in the last few days, but from the time we had analyzed and dissected that, oh, he's swinging four miles an hour less hard than the year prior.
20:15 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, that's probably going to have to come up.
20:17 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But to be fair, Randy had a good weekend, ready to launch the Homer on Friday, that absolutely went into orbit.
20:22 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good sign.
20:27 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan, Donovan did too in Texas, like when we had talked about it on that episode a few days ago, it was right after that, and Donovan Homer, and Donovan didn't play a time this weekend because he was battling a little bit of an illness.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He played on Sunday, but
20:40 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then he's one hard and lifted a homer.
20:43 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And so to Julio, it's so to cow, not on Sunday.
20:45 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's, that's, again, I'm going to hold myself accountable to this.
20:49 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Do not look at single game bat speed numbers.
20:51 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to drive yourself crazy.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to, I think, as a takeaway from this, look at a little bit more.
20:58 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The speeds can normalize over small sample sizes, but the context also needs to matter.
21:04 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're curious, I put out a social post here on Sunday
21:09 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford's walk-off on Saturday night and was bringing it into sort of the context of bat speeds.
21:16 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford watched Brian abray you, walked the bases loaded in front of him.
21:22 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: JP falls behind O2 is JP going to be getting off his best swing on that pitch.
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: O2 of the bases loaded, nobody out.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not, and he did not.
21:32 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: JP's average bat speeds 72 miles an hour.
21:35 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He swung the bat 69 miles an hour.
21:38 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's literally the the outage of choke up with two strikes and make contact with every little league coach tell their players.
21:47 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, choke up.
21:49 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Find a, find a bat to ball.
21:50 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's two strikes.
21:51 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's sort of converting the numbers we're talking about here into something I think most people can relate to and why they do things like that.
22:00 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And why you can't just look at one game because that's a situation for JP, where the situation does not call for him to hit a home run.
22:09 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't always want the Mariners hit home runs.
22:12 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the best way to score runs, but depending on the context, you can hit a single the other way.
22:16 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That was exactly what we needed from JP Crawford on Saturday night.
22:21 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: the situation has to call for it if you're going to swing the bat slower you got to do it JP Crawford did on Saturday night yeah I'm going to be real usually I'm going to vouch for home runs almost all the time that situation specifically yeah a little bit different because it's not one of your premier headers at the play I mean JP's a good hitter but it's not call it's not who leo it's not nailer it's not one of your premier power headers that's for sure
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: he is a contact oriented player for the most part.
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Gonna approach, finds a way on base.
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he had the right approach there.
22:52 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He did the right thing.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't need JP Crawford swinging for the fences there.
22:55 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you didn't need him trying to lift the ball into Orbit and hit it off the hit it here cafe.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You just need a single or a fly ball even.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he came through with one.
23:04 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to ask at the ballpark this weekend whether or not the Mariners were aware of their bat speed numbers and if they saw anything into it.
23:11 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Lot sounded like they did on Saturday, I asked Dan Wilson his pregame media session about the bat speed numbers and we talked about here on the podcast about Dan Wilson's answers in a press setting are usually pretty milk toast he doesn't usually give much away.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go on our Twitter account we tweet it out the answer of it.
23:32 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the most direct answers I've heard him give about a subject.
23:38 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like, yes, they are aware of the bad speed numbers, but it's not something they're really concerned about, and it probably is because of this temperature and length of the season, it trending up over the course of the season as the weather warms up.
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So do we not think this is a change in approach?
23:56 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we not think they change anything with their approach then?
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we were talking about recently?
24:01 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no evidence to suggest otherwise, especially with the data here of like again look I went we went and looked at the 20 25 Mariners and they swung the bat the slowest in April.
24:17 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they did, but we also talked about a few days ago how when it was down across the board we tried to hypothesize why and maybe our opinions changed now but we did say it looks like a bit of a change in approach of everybody's swings are down in terms of their hard hit rate in the best speed.
24:33 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible, but in this scenario, I just think we need more data like results for the Mariners offense.
24:40 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like are the Mariners, is the Mariners offense going to have like a 10% higher on base percentage, not 10%.
24:47 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like 5% higher on base percentage once we get to July, then they did it July the season before.
24:52 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: with power numbers that are percentage points lower with a contact rate that is percentage points higher.
24:59 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to analyze that stuff 100 games in than 16 games in.
25:06 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably right.
25:07 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe give it till June.
25:09 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they're still not swinging the bat as hard and that speeds are still down and they're still striking out way too much, it's probably a bigger story then.
25:15 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe this weekend was a good sign and a reminder as to why you need more of a sample at certain points of the year.
25:23 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, the cold weather is the cold weather.
25:27 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the first time the Mariners of that to play in cold weather in April.
25:30 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_00]: See, adults usually cold.
25:32 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But
25:33 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the first time, at least, for what's been made public that there are bad speeds of been down like this over a two week stretch.
25:40 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So sure, it could be a fluke, but it is definitely still a story to watch, I'd say, to see if it comes up over time and improves by, let's say, June 1st or June 15th, whatever data point you want to use.
25:51 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Because of it, down by then, then it'll look like a change in approach.
25:54 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's back to normal by then, and it's neutralized by then and stabilize, then we can say, all right, it was just too small the sample in the early season.
26:03 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: When we also have to remember to, there are some different players.
26:07 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're just gonna directly compare 2025 to 2026, it's not all the exact same headers on the team if we're looking at the team bat speeds.
26:16 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is something we'd have to look at.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's bat speed at that point.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Calls bat speed at that point.
26:21 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'd figure it out once we get to June or July.
26:26 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is,
26:28 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course it's always possible.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: There are approach changes.
26:30 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why we asked the question on Wednesday's podcast.
26:34 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's something we noted.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this possible?
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, obviously.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course it's possible.
26:39 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we know?
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we tell?
26:40 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Having all these days to look at it and ask around?
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing to suggest so yet.
26:47 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say.
26:49 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably just too early.
26:50 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: All we have to go off of is one comment from one
26:58 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's definitely fair to keep an eye on it and it's fair to ask the question and it's fair to hypothesis when you see numbers like this, but not jump to conclusions.
27:07 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Which do I think what most people have said, I'll include it, where we said okay, let's watch for this.
27:14 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's not definitively say anything's changed.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think we definitively said it was a change in approach, right?
27:20 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We just said, I mean, you have to at least hypothesize about it if the Batsby's are down for every player.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not just for one player.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we talked about.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just Hulia or just Cal, or just Randy, it was everybody.
27:32 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we said that is because we saw
27:36 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We watched the playoff last year, and if we were to jump into the minds of Jared Apoto and Justin Hollander watching a matchup of the Blue Jays versus the Mariners, and you say, okay, what's the biggest difference of these two offenses?
27:50 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: One of these seems to make a ton of contact the other one doesn't, and that one was the one that won.
27:55 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So how did the Mariners get a little bit closer to that?
27:59 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: However, we just can't like prove it yet.
28:01 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There's there is no proof of the matter that the Mariners changed their approach this season and any any major way with a bunch of the same players.
28:11 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing if the Mariners did what they went did from 2023 to 2024, which it's funny to think back on because that one
28:20 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, Lyle, they came into the season in 2024, and they're like, yeah, our 2023 offensive was way too boomer bust.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't do that again.
28:28 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Too many strikeouts, too volatile.
28:30 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It cost them a ton of extra innings, and those are big reason they miss the playoffs.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're overhauling it.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're getting new guys in here.
28:36 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make more contact this season, and we're going to be even better.
28:41 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They made less contact and miss the playoffs.
28:44 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know how it's going to work.
28:47 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't.
28:48 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: and they are more contact oriented very evidently with this team because when you bring in a Brendan Donovan, that's his whole game.
28:55 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Palango was supposed to make more contact in 24.
28:58 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't injuries were factor into that.
29:00 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Garver obviously started to fall off in 24 because that's when it really dove south for him, numbers wise.
29:05 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But there was still some boomer bust in that offense in that team.
29:10 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You weren't supposed to have it with Palango to be fair, but the injuries played into it.
29:15 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: this team does feel like it's a little more contact oriented.
29:18 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan is just he's different than Garver he's different than Polanco this team is driven to make more contact but yes in 24 they were not supposed to strike out at that alarming rate again and miss the playoffs and yet it happened.
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Polanco's making still making a decent on a contact this season he's just not productive.
29:34 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well certainly so like if he was back he would have been.
29:38 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
29:39 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well again, Polaco in 25 was what he was supposed to be.
29:42 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He was making contact.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't strike out a bunch in 24 with all the injuries.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He was striking out almost 30% of the time, which was never something he'd done.
29:51 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So clearly the bat speed thing had made its way to the Mariners.
29:56 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd noticed this thing.
29:58 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like Julio noticed it too, not to not to pump ourselves up here, but Adam Jude was talking to Julio before the series started on Friday about some of their offensive struggles.
30:11 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to, you, I'll let you take this one loud because you, uh, you sent the story to me.
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it before the game or after the game?
30:19 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was after Friday night's win.
30:20 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the, it was, it was on Friday at some point.
30:25 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What Julio said about it was, and I quote, because this is from Jude's article in The Seattle Times, Daniel Cramer wrote it about it too, but about the offense and about some of the conversation about it, Julio says the following.
30:39 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I've seen so many things online, man.
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: People just talk so much.
30:44 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious.
30:45 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The funniest thing I saw honestly was about the bad speed.
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Mariners are swinging slower.
30:49 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we're not trying to swing slower.
30:52 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just cold as bleep in Seattle.
30:56 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Where'd you see that, Julio?
31:01 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd try to, like, when I see these things in, like, loud and I'll talk about all the time.
31:05 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, how much, how much should a player see?
31:07 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I, I'm not always going to be like, yeah, they're always, they're always checking our stuff.
31:12 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They're always like, they're keeping updated.
31:15 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Who will 100% saw the real way put out?
31:19 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What would all those get?
31:20 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I would always guarantee it.
31:21 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause, okay, look, as a baseball player, if you start thinking about your bat speed, you've already lost.
31:29 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:30 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: In that point, like you can't think about that.
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: However, from a fans perspective, we talk.
31:37 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if we see something, we're gonna talk about it.
31:40 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's two different ways to approach this.
31:43 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying Julio should go analyze his bat speed after every of that.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's saying that.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not players, so yeah, we're gonna make conversation about things.
31:54 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were to come on here and say, well guys, welcome to a new episode of the Marine Lair podcast, the Mariners aren't hitting, they just can't get on base, they're not scoring runs, nothing.
32:04 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think that is, TJ?
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now it's too early, we can't judge anything.
32:08 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, thanks for tuning in everybody, talk to you next week.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a great podcast.
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What an episode.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're not gonna do that.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We have things to talk about.
32:17 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is not some mumbo jumbo that got floated out by at Twitter user 45782.
32:24 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Petrielo wrote a whole article about this with empirical data points that are straight facts that say, this is happening.
32:31 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're gonna talk about it.
32:33 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it just so happened.
32:34 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners' bat speed was down and they stopped hitting home runs.
32:39 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what I have, if you're swing the bat harder, the ball will go farther.
32:44 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are two different ways to approach this.
32:47 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I'm glad Julio is not even thinking about the bad speed.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He essentially laughed it off.
32:51 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, that's not it's not a thing.
32:54 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He essentially said.
32:55 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So as a player, yeah, you need to keep it as simple as possible.
32:59 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just approaching the game to be your best self every single day.
33:02 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You let us talk about the bad speed.
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's our job.
33:06 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
33:06 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to, because again, when there's interesting conversations, we're going to make conversation.
33:11 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be conclusive, like we said, it wasn't a lot of games.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you need more of a sample.
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We said we're going to wait till June or July, but it's still a conversation.
33:22 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The other party put in this quote was the following.
33:25 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious just to see so many people just trying to find answers, trying to talk about something.
33:30 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, it's like guys, I wish you knew how this actually goes for the people that actually watch 162 games.
33:36 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that you're going to win some, you're going to lose some, but eventually the results will be there.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes.
33:42 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But if, look, I'm not going to do the whole meme about get in there and make it about you with the guy pointing in the mirror.
33:49 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
33:50 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But if that really is a shot at us, like, we're watching every game.
33:54 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We know how to work.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We know how to work.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We know how to work.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We know how to work.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing.
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is the difference between player or fan, right?
34:04 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The player, no, the player is playing 162 games no matter what.
34:08 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting to the end of the line and then trying to make the playoffs.
34:12 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to talk about this season.
34:13 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There is only 16 games to talk about.
34:17 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't hypothesize what will happen once they reach game 120 in August.
34:23 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just what it is.
34:24 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:25 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm going to bet that absolutely nobody would tune into a podcast where we hop on, say the Mariners can't hit it.
34:31 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
34:32 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's early.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll just figure it out.
34:33 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, sick.
34:34 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good two-minute episode.
34:35 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to you guys next week.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a real reason to have this conversation.
34:42 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What did I said for a couple weeks now?
34:45 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Fans understand it's early.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely believe 95% of this fan base.
34:50 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a little bit more.
34:51 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Knows it's early.
34:53 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But nobody wants to hear about how it's early.
34:55 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The players can say it.
34:57 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The players can know it.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad if that's their mentality.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad if they're not worried 16 games in.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Frankly, they shouldn't be.
35:03 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you're a fan, and you're not playing,
35:07 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: and you're invested in this, and you've been invested in it for a long time, people want to know why the most hyped-up team arguably in Mariners history can't hit a home run 14 games into the year, and it isn't scoring runs, 14 games into the year.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: People want to make conversation about it.
35:24 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So as a player, like it's fine, that's fine if you don't wanna give any noise to it and you probably shouldn't, but I don't,
35:34 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I totally buy the idea that, well, no fan should worry about it.
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, that's not what being a fan is.
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
35:41 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And like fans aren't going to buy tickets to an April game based on the team being better in August.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, are the mariners sitting?
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to go see him this weekend against the Astros?
35:52 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, they sucked.
35:54 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This past week, maybe I don't want to go.
35:57 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but it's fine.
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's early.
36:00 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll go watch them score zero runs on a night in a cold, April, mid-season game.
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's early, it's going to be fine.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not how people think.
36:09 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're not scoring and it's not a fun product on the field in that point in time, people are going to want to watch.
36:15 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They are watching, and I want people to watch, and I want people to be invested, but if they're not playing well, there's going to be conversations as to why.
36:24 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to be as simple as, oh, it's early, let's not even talk about it.
36:28 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This shows, as it should be, players think about this different than the fans do, and that's good.
36:33 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: As they should, they are professional players, and we're fans.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
36:37 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you've got Julio talking about it from his perspective, and you've got us, and a lot of people talking about it from theirs.
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is fine.
36:45 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not expecting Julio to go into a press conference and talk about his launch angle on his flyout and the second inning of a mid-April game.
36:55 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He shouldn't.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And he probably shouldn't think about it.
36:58 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But we might.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we might.
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38:19 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: From what I saw this weekend, Lyle, I have a take.
38:24 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Houston Astros finally suck.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
38:31 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Put in your stamp on it, use it Astros, cut.
38:35 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot tell me even with the return of Rona Blanco, Hunter Brown, and Josh Hayer that that pitching staff we saw this weekend will be able to hold up over the course of 162 games.
38:48 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You can throw a Christian hobby or into that, too, if you want.
38:51 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
38:53 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't, but it is almost an entirely new rotation, once those guys are back and Roanel Blanco is not supposed to be back until the middle of the year, but Blanco, Brown, Javier, haters, the closer, I'm not saying they're going to make the playoffs, is it not a little different than having a throat Cody Bolton out in a bullpen game?
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the depth?
39:20 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have the farm system either to survive injuries.
39:24 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about if one of their infielders got hurt, one of Korea, Al-Tuvay, Pania, or Christian Walker gets hurt.
39:32 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not like ready-made replacements for them.
39:37 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot would probably fall on Bryce Matthews, who was a big prospect for them.
39:41 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If because Bryce Matthews plays some outfield and he plays some second base, so maybe if it was a second base, then he'd slide over to second or something, but yeah, no, there's not a ton of depth.
39:50 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Their farm systems, one of the worst in baseball, and this team's old now, besides one generational hitter who is very, very much back to his own ways and you're on, besides him, it's not a great,
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: overall product.
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to be as bad as we've shown.
40:06 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they finish as the worst staff in baseball and all those guys get back.
40:09 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, if you look at the Astro's second happy R.A.
40:12 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: When the time comes, I don't know if they'll be 30th.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they'll be behind the Rockies.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really hard for them.
40:19 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be hard for them to keep up at six ERA all year.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That I agree with you.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't see the death.
40:26 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it, like you need horses and lots of them when you're an August and September trying to win these big games, I don't know how they match up with the Mariners, I don't see it.
40:40 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they do, as long as the Mariners stay healthy and if they start to consistently hit, yeah, again, there might be a chance Texas or even the offense of A's gives up the offense of the A's gives the Mariners more fits than the Astros do this year.
40:55 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Mariners should very comfortably win the AOS.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But who gives them the most trouble?
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is Texas.
41:02 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is the A's.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, maybe not the A's pitching, but the A's offense.
41:08 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, you know, that was a tough scene for Houston this weekend.
41:10 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a team that was already coming off a sweep or like getting swept.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: by the rockies.
41:16 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, by the rockies.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, that's not great.
41:19 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not very impressed with what I saw this weekend outside of Yordon.
41:22 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel so bad for Cole Will Cox.
41:24 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It put Cole Will Cox in.
41:25 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They're up six runs.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, here's Yordon.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He torched a ball.
41:31 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, remember when I said,
41:34 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_00]: that Yordon Alvarez had the potential to be my new Kyle Tucker, because he's a left hand and hit her for the Astros and somebody asked, now that Tucker's a Dodger and you can't just fantasize about trading for him or signing him anymore, who could be the new guy?
41:45 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dawg, if the Astros were gonna be this bad and Yordon's got a year and a half left on his deal at the deadline, it's not possible to say he could get traded.
41:55 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not impossible.
41:58 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, maybe he needs to get traded somewhere else first.
42:03 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: so maybe another two trades for them and then let's go up and then it next year's deadline of somebody in the analytics and competing.
42:11 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he has traded again.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's perfect for Dave D'Ambrowski.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say the Phillies trade for him.
42:16 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the Phillies roster in typical D'Ambrowski fashion, just totally like implodes on itself.
42:23 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like old, unathletic, unversedal, and they have to trade pieces off in a fire sale.
42:29 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Dave D'Ambrowski trades yord on at the deadline next year to the Mariners.
42:37 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: down.
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, how the hell is that going to work in Philly?
42:42 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: First crazy is that offense might be.
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You can have 2DHs on the team and Schworber and Yordon.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can put Yordon in the outfield.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess what's in the outfield?
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to put him in the left field?
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Citizens Bank Park, I guess.
42:55 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's better than Cassiamus.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably better than Schworber.
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
43:01 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be something if you have an offensive shorber and you're done and harper and Turner and I'm probably forgetting some people, but that'd be nuts real me at all yeah, it's it's all it would be a really old team and a really boomer bus team like very typical fillies.
43:20 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you you could pick somewhere else to try them, but you know, that's that's where I thought if if he's going to get traded to the Mariners, he probably needs to
43:30 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Or just a non-ALS team, yeah.
43:32 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
43:33 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, AL what, see, American League teams would still worry about facing the guy in the playoffs?
43:39 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Nationally, team, it's less likely.
43:42 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if you're bad.
43:44 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
43:45 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to, he's not going to come back and torch the fillies.
43:48 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: very often if he ends up in a mariners uniform.
43:52 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, he was the one guy this weekend.
43:54 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look at his baseball subon page, like this dude is like back back.
43:59 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there was a split second where I just had a brain blank, and I'm looking up at the screen, and I see Yordon's hitting over 300, and I look up, and I see a number that says 791, and I said to myself,
44:13 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know you're on hitting well to start the year, but I said, is he hitting 300?
44:17 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not hitting for a ton of power.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he not even OPS 8800?
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You're on not even OPS 8800?
44:23 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I look again and go, oh, that's his slogging percentage.
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's OPS at about 1 and better.
44:33 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He is unreal.
44:34 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say he's back in healthy.
44:35 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's the one guy on the Astros who I fear.
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I fear him almost as much as anybody in the game.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's because of some PTSD from 2022.
44:47 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But I always say it, man, when he's at his best, I, the three guys in some order or another, I fear the most seeing step to the plate.
44:55 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Judge, show hey, you're on, those three.
44:59 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Always.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The game plan was to throw sliders to you're on Alvarez and Robbie Ray through 93 down the middle.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that was a great.
45:08 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not good.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't get a game plans.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they had the matchup right in that.
45:13 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not what that's what doesn't get talked about enough about that matchup in the playoffs.
45:17 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They actually had the matchup right, because Robbie Ray throws good sliders.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yordon doesn't hit lefty sliders.
45:22 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They had it.
45:23 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But then the fastball was called.
45:28 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not good.
45:28 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not good at least the Mariners made the LCS last year.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of exercise some demons.
45:34 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But the promise they would have made, they could have beat that Astro's team.
45:38 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They had him.
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Could they have won it off, they won that serious?
45:41 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
45:43 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So then they would have had to be... Oh, they would have had to beat the game.
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's gonna beat the game.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they beat the...
45:50 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they never played the game as well.
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But the game is worth that good that year.
45:54 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so judged in everybody else in 22.
45:59 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun to think about, but I guess potentially we'll see this here in the playoffs the Mariners and Yankees match up again.
46:07 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing I was going to know, I don't think I've taken a close enough look at the American League standings.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is a mess.
46:16 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to guess who is the best record in the American League right now?
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd say the Yankees, but they're on a losing streak.
46:24 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the Yankees anymore.
46:27 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Time for the best record in the American League is the Minnesota Twins.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Surely that'll keep up.
46:36 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at these run differential too, like the Yankees are the best run differential in the American League at plus 21, then everyone else, uh, the next closest is Tigers at plus 10, the Mariners are where the Mariners.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They are plus seven right now, the Rangers are plus four.
46:53 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, if you go look at the National League, I mean,
46:56 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The Braves are already plus 46.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers are already plus 35.
47:02 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Padres to the Mariners will play this week or plus 14.
47:07 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Big difference.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Barry.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the National League.
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Just gonna be leaps and bounds better than the AL again.
47:13 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems that way.
47:15 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Dodgers and the Guardians face off in the World Series.
47:18 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's over.
47:20 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if the Dodgers and basically anybody face off in the world series, it feels like it's over.
47:25 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I've said, listen, we are, we have said on this podcast, we are losers.
47:30 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners win the AL, and have to face off of the Dodgers in the world series, I mean, a conversation could be had about just throwing a parade regardless.
47:39 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's essentially like, sure, you couldn't beat a group of aliens from outer space, but you beat everybody else.
47:46 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Planned the parade during the scheduled world series games, just pull out.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why not?
47:52 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Just admit to beat and forfeit.
47:55 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Just control the celebration.
47:56 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's making the decisions for major league baseball.
47:59 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're just worth throwing a parade no matter what.
48:04 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Should I throw a one hot take in here before we wrap this up?
48:06 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:07 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We spent a lot of time debating this on a previous episode, so we don't have to do all that again and go 15 rounds again.
48:13 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But again after what we watch this weekend, sure we need a little more sample, and I'm sure the Mariners might say that too, but I'm still gonna put the hot take out there.
48:23 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: When Bryce Miller comes back, Emerson Hancock standing in this rotation, and Luis is either going to have one or two things happen to him.
48:31 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to put him in the bullpen, or if they don't want to do that to him, they're going to fan of my album.
48:41 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The more I was thinking about this over the weekend as you're bringing it to me.
48:45 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If this is like again purely baseball like I see it like for the performances we saw this week and Emerson still had a 30% Whiff rate during his start who's getting swings and miss on both his sweeper and his fastball against by far the best line of pc and so far this season He had the one top inning, but otherwise made it through five and his overall peripheral numbers during the start looked fine He still has a two ERA for the season Castio did not look good now he didn't
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: the money is really what matters here.
49:14 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Could the Mariners stomach the fact that they're putting a 24 million dollar a year picture in their bullpen.
49:22 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you have the idea by the way, I didn't even ask you this, what's Castillo's role in the bullpen is he thrown long relief, is he thrown high leverage?
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What's he doing?
49:29 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably throwing long relief because you're going to have to keep the option available to throw them as a starter more during the year in case other injuries occur.
49:37 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's why for all the debate we had on that episode,
49:41 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: a week or so ago about this.
49:43 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even factor the other option in here.
49:45 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'm bringing this up.
49:47 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners don't want to do that to a week's Castio, they're going to fan on my album.
49:51 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to try to get them some rest for a few weeks and they'll re-evaluate.
49:55 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's another injury, sure, then maybe they get set to activate them, or they just see if some downtime does them good, if some extra just skip starts with doing some good.
50:06 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But
50:07 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if this keeps going that way, and that's a bad Emerson Hancock start 5 and 3, where he's still got 12 wifs, which is a really healthy number, and he couldn't even really throw his two seamer that much, which so far has been his best pitch, but the Astros and that offense, which is a good offense, are very, very good to seem fastball hitting offense, so Emerson wasn't throwing it a lot on Friday.
50:28 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the best matchup for him, and he still went 5 and 3 with a bunch of swings and misses and still punched out 5.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: keeps going like this.
50:36 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to win baseball games.
50:37 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to keep throwing.
50:38 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't want to put Luis Castillo in the bullpen and you think the optics of that would cause problems, either with Luis or with the rest of the team, or the mariners are worried about it, fine, you fan of my own, and ever some fan in the rotation.
50:52 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we think that would affect the clubhouse?
50:55 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with fan of my own, somebody?
50:57 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not playing.
50:59 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Disgruntled, veteran player.
51:03 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: don't you think the rest of the clubhouse was watching ever in Hancock right now and saying, man, that dude is bawling.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But players are different.
51:14 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they see the results, but veteran high paid leaders with good track records.
51:21 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We're basing this off of numbers in very recent performance as a club, as they, the mayor's will.
51:28 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They would take the human element of this, too.
51:31 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, Bryce Miller's got a little bit of time.
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll probably be back roughly end of April, maybe early May.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still a little bit of time we have before our final decision has to get made.
51:40 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But Luis's first start was good, and his last two have not been.
51:44 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it like that, not at all.
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If this keeps going that way and more sample builds up,
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: if the priority is about winning, I don't think you have a choice.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you don't want to put them in the bullpen, then you give them a few weeks off and figure it out from there.
51:58 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope nobody else gets injured, but you never know of another injury in the rotational pop-up, and if it does, you can reevaluate then, or,
52:08 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you figured out what Luis is you go, but I would say if Bryce Miller gets back and it's all trending this way, that's at least how you start.
52:15 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if nobody is injured, you do put a Luis in the bullpen come mid-June or something like that if he takes a few weeks off.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
52:24 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But I long time to fan to my LM.
52:27 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Few weeks?
52:29 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
52:30 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Miss a few starts.
52:31 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that seems like the most logical option if everything keeps going this way and Bryce Miller's ready to come back.
52:36 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not ready to put him in the bullpen, then you give him a few weeks off.
52:42 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see what happens when Bryce Miller comes back.
52:45 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love, I can't wait to see Emerson Hancock start again.
52:51 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Excited to watch him.
52:52 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
52:53 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I will see how he does in San Diego.
52:54 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the last time he pitched in San Diego last year He actually turned in a pretty solid start.
52:58 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a solid start.
53:00 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't throw a ton of volume innings wise But remember through 98.
53:04 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I remember and he missed some bats.
53:07 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you missed some bats I don't I think only went like four and two thirds in that start, but he was he was throwing a little bit harder in that start
53:15 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it'll be exciting.
53:16 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he keeps doing this.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The conversation keeps growing.
53:18 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause if he has four or five dominant starts and a one and as one outlier would be five and three with a bunch of whiffs against the Houston offense, I mean, that's pretty good.
53:28 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.
53:29 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe pretty good.
53:30 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be the same on the other side for Luis.
53:33 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's able to piece together a few more good starts, despite the rough patches at, you know, then I think the decision gets a little clearer, but we'll see.
53:42 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will say if Emerson has another good start this week because they're both going to throw in San Diego they should or Luis won't no no he will he will Emerson and Luis are both going to pitch in San Diego If it keeps trending this way where Emerson has another good outing and Luis gets blown up again or he goes Four and four again or five and four again conversation keeps growing.
54:07 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just does.
54:08 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you get offense in San Diego
54:11 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.
54:12 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So it would be a bit of a problem again.
54:15 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So we had our friend Chase here this weekend.
54:17 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Diehard Padre's fan also started the vetter cup this week.
54:20 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't even didn't even realize that.
54:21 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're not going to talk about that bullshit dude.
54:26 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So our Fred J shows up, the Padre's line up.
54:29 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They're putting like Jake Cronon worth that short stop.
54:32 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And Fernando Totti's junior at second base.
54:36 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like walking us through like the Padre's moved Fernando Totti's junior to the infield to put Nick Castiano's in right.
54:47 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: What a group.
54:48 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Nick Castiano's in the outfield.
54:50 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And Fernando is like the best right field defender in baseball.
54:55 --> 54:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:55 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: and they took them out for Nick Cassiano.
54:57 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the podries will give the Mariners a gift and do that again.
55:00 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
55:01 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, if you hit a ball out to right field and Nick Cassiano is out there, there's a decent chance it's going to drop for a hit.
55:07 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It might look like he was close to the ball, but remember, if there's like a good defender out there, they just make the play no problem.
55:13 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
55:14 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
55:16 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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