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00:46 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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01:03 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Recording here on Thursday evening April 16th.
01:10 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I've been saying fuck the better cup.
01:12 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been saying it for the better part of two years.
01:14 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who was in watching tonight?
01:17 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Eddie Vetter.
01:18 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean Chicago Cubs fan Eddie Vetter, who's not a Mariners or Padres fan?
01:23 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
01:24 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He was not.
01:24 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a complete Mickey Mouse series.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Mickey Mouse rivalry.
01:31 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners still lost.
01:32 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've been saying fuck the better cup.
01:36 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck the better cup.
01:38 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they better might have tuned in to watch his mom throughout the first pitch, but that was it.
01:43 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:44 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he might have had better things to do than watch the Seattle Mariners try to play baseball this week.
01:49 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he flipped back to the Cubs game.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Or that.
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally realistic.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What a fucking disaster series.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I am just terrible.
02:00 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know everyone probably really wanted us to do an episode after last night's loss on Wednesday.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally fair assumption.
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That one sucked.
02:10 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners played pretty well for eight innings.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: and then sucked.
02:15 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, the games that book ended that were even worse, honestly, because the Mariners collectively played worse in those games.
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You had to watch Mason Miller, cap off the series, and just shove it down the Mariners throat.
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Good call, Lyle.
02:30 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't the hottest take in the world, but if Mariners fans turned off the game when Mason Miller came and came in the game, they would be less frustrated tomorrow on Friday.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Then they
02:42 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the case with Game 1 when Mason Miller came in and it's the case with Game 3 when Mason Miller came in.
02:47 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's two baseball purists and just die hard baseball fans.
02:52 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We like watching Mason Miller and I'll take it a step further.
02:55 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to speak for you, but I love watching Mason Miller just as a baseball fan.
02:59 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He's electric.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely filthy.
03:01 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's honestly, I know people don't want to hear it right now, but we've said it really, really good dude from getting to talk to him a bit.
03:07 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the man.
03:10 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: However, as Mariners fans, I know you don't want to hear any of that, so exactly why I say, if you're going to get pissed off and you have every right to do so, just turn the game off when Mason Miller comes in.
03:19 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because no, the Mariners will not be hitting 103 miles an hour or those ridiculous sliders he flips in.
03:25 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It was perfect the story was perfectly told in that final iPad of today's game.
03:30 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know to sell that ended with Cole Young at the plate?
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I don't think he made contact with anything.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the manor's made contact against Mason Miller tonight.
03:39 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I maybe there was a foul ball mixed in there, but it was just a slaughter in the night that ain't tonight.
03:46 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young tried to challenge Strike 3 to end the game.
03:51 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: the ball was like closer to down the middle than it was out of the strike zone like that's how overpowered the mariner's batters were well i'm not going to get on call young for that the mariner's had a challenge left you can't take it with you you might as well but that's like the best chance the mariner's have against mason Miller is getting a strike call somehow overturned but since mason Miller so good it's obviously a strike
04:20 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the man's walked one batter of the entire season, and has punched out now what, 26.
04:25 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more than that.
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is nuts.
04:29 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We did a social media post about this the other day, but there's a couple opponents, the Mariners have played in the last couple weeks, who are well on pace to be all-time grades.
04:38 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not on Alvarez's legit in all-time great if this pace keeps up for him, because by WRC+, he is in the top 12, all-time.
04:47 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: in WRC+.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Minimum 2000 at bats.
04:50 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Mason Miller, look, he's not going to keep up this pace all year, but if he keeps doing what he's done the last two seasons now, this being a third.
04:57 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, he's going to be a historic reliever.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The mayor said no chance.
05:04 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but the way they play, they didn't really stand a chance against much of anything.
05:08 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They gave themselves some opportunities and didn't take advantage of any of them.
05:14 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, gone.
05:15 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, where should we start?
05:18 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do we start?
05:20 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know there's where people want us to start, but before we even get to that,
05:26 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we should just start with the problem is there's not many new thoughts because it's the same storylines over and over through the first three weeks of the season.
05:35 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not that much new that's unfolding.
05:38 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing the same issues, Athens is a problem, middle of the line-ups not hitting, and as we'll get to, there's questionable decisions being made all the time.
05:47 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to talk about the offense, Cal, Rayleigh, and Julio had a combined average OPS between the three of them of 502 right now.
05:56 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: 502, it's barely over 500, on average between the three of them.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win games doing that.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you're not.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners also has a team on the road.
06:10 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Hitting wise, have the second worst WRC plus and all of baseball.
06:16 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not good, that pretty much lines up exactly with what you just said, not good.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some other concerning stats out there.
06:25 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You can talk about the fact that if we want to go to Wednesday's game specifically, that Andre's Moon Yoves continues to not throw strikes, which is a huge problem.
06:36 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The mayor's bullpen is thin enough without their best reliever, not pitching well.
06:42 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But Andreas Munoz entered, or after Wednesday, he was throwing last year, 2025.
06:50 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He threw his fastball for a strike 56% of the time, which is, I think, right around where he would throw for a strike in his career.
06:58 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This year, it's now 34%.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge, huge drop.
07:03 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: His slider at a 41% strike rate last year, it's down to 32.6%.
07:10 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: your best reliever is not throwing his pitches in the strike zone.
07:14 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to throw all of your pitches in the strike zone, but if Muno's can get about half of his pitches in the strike zone, he's going to be pretty good.
07:21 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not doing that.
07:22 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge problem.
07:24 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And Wednesday, just encapsulated it, there was some bad luck.
07:27 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There's bad command, there's bad control, who's all over the place.
07:31 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be really hard for the Mariners to win games.
07:33 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: If Andre's Muno does that, because then, well, who's the reliable reliever in the bullpen of Andre's Muno's not doing that?
07:41 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Brash and Spire, and... Is it?
07:46 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: given the ninth inning the other night we were told Jose for air.
07:49 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I believe that that's not why he was in he was in the lefty out we can he yes and we can talk about that if we want to but I don't know if we want to save that.
08:00 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well I had Andres Muñoz was number one on my three concerning stats I dug out of this week.
08:07 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: strike rate is down, Jose Ferrer is my second concerning stat, because Jose Ferrer has faced 14 lefties, so far these are he's faced 14, yeah he's faced 14 lefties so far this season, 14 at bats against lefties.
08:22 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a 462 average in a thousand OPS against him.
08:25 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing as the refsider argument, if Jose Ferrer can't get lefties out.
08:31 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: for someone who doesn't strike a ton of batters out and doesn't pitch an a ton of leverage at least yet in his career.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Why, what?
08:46 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Why, why is he anything, why does he have a problem that we're on the bullpen then?
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if that's the case.
08:52 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I mean, fair to ask, you would hope it's gonna get self-corrected as the year goes on or even as the weeks go on.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: but this is his job.
09:01 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He has meant to be the second leverage lefty in that bullpen.
09:05 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you're given up a near 500 average to left-handed pitching, that's not a leverage arm against lefties.
09:11 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the exact opposite.
09:13 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You were talking to me about this last night.
09:15 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you and I see this from slightly different perspective.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: What was your thought about the decision to bring him in?
09:23 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll be clear, it was not definitive either way.
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a close call.
09:29 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: My take on this was this.
09:32 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Jackson Merrill took Ferraris credit and to the credit of the decision to go to Ferraris against Merrill.
09:38 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: His OPS drops 200 points against Lefty's versus Rites.
09:43 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Merrill for his career has an 863 OPS against Rites and a 6506 OPS against Lefty's.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big drop off.
09:51 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So in that sense, it makes sense to use the Lefty.
09:55 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you look at map rashes numbers because the other argument here was should it have been brash over farrare against Merrill.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Brash was better against lefties than righties last year.
10:06 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Brash only allowed a 602 OPS against lefties and his career OPS against lefties is under 700.
10:15 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you pair that with the fact that brash is thrown in a lot more leverage and farrare has not thrown in much leverage,
10:23 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's an argument you can make that that should have been brash.
10:26 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's definitive either way because ultimately you just had to get one batter out and you're trying to go left on left with the guy that you at least say you trust to go get left these in for air.
10:38 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why it's not definitive one way or another, but was there an argument to go use brash?
10:43 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, especially because now he didn't pitch here on Thursday.
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so he didn't pitch all series.
10:50 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: could have been a spot.
10:51 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And these guys, I mean, these guys do need to pitch, right?
10:53 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just, you can't not pitch.
10:56 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the reason that Muno's pitched on Wednesday while one of the main complaints coming out of Wednesday's game for something I don't understand when I hear this complaint was why was Andre's Muno's pitching?
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a safe situation.
11:11 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Because here's a there's a couple of things to this.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one,
11:17 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you view him as a true closer, and you only want him pitching in save situations.
11:22 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Andres Muneus has talked about in his career.
11:25 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: If he goes a long time without throwing, it gets hard for him to ramp up.
11:29 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think of like, uh, like, uh...
11:32 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like some, like a related bill, like a real-life situation where that's the case or something else.
11:38 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like an engine, for example, if you can't, if you don't start your car engine for a while, it's not going to be as good.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be sitting there.
11:47 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Engines are meant to run.
11:48 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Hard-throwing MLB relievers are supposed to throw on a routine.
11:52 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with the starting pitchers.
11:53 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just have them sit for a week.
11:57 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Andre Smuno's needs to get in the gaming needs to get his work.
12:00 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, number two, I know the Mariners subscribe to this.
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the current iteration of the of the coaching staff.
12:11 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Closers are stupid.
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone should not be closing.
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, who do I want facing the best batters?
12:18 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when they should be throwing.
12:19 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Salt pointed this out for Tuesday's game.
12:21 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't even think about it.
12:22 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The middle of the Mariners order was up for against the Padre's bullpen on Tuesday.
12:30 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: the manager for the pod raise left mason Miller and waited for the ninth inning to put mason Miller in the game.
12:37 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Logically you put mason Miller in against the middle of the middle of the mariner's lineup instead of the back bit of the mariner's lineup, which ended up facing instead.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when do you rather have your best relievers facing their best hitters?
12:51 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I would.
12:52 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the whole argument of Game 7 of the ALCS.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You want your best relievers facing the best batters.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why you put a guy in in that moment.
13:04 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Scott service used to do.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot?
13:06 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, we like the way Scott's service managed the bullpen.
13:10 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Andres Munoz when service was the manager was used against the meat of the order late in the game.
13:15 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It did not have to be the ninth inning, but let's just take the Padre's for example.
13:19 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If Scott service was still in that seat, and you saw Merrill, Mani, and Tati's coming to the plate in the eighth inning when you're up by two runs, you're not saving moonios for the ninth.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting moonios to go in against the meat of their order and go shut them down.
13:34 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If you get out of it and you're still winning, you use somebody else in the ninth.
13:37 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You figure it out whether it's brash or maybe there's a pocket of lefties coming up, you use Gabe Spire in the ninth.
13:43 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I prefer relievers to be used and a lot of teams especially the new age thinking teams do a lot of that But this is not what this current version of the Mariners do and I know Munoz is talked about that he prefers to just pitch the ninth inning so he knows his routine But in terms of execution I don't think it's the best strategy for success because again take the inning number out of it for a minute
14:12 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you want your best reliever facing the bottom of the order versus the top?
14:18 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Or why would you want a worse reliever facing better hitters?
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: versus worst hitters.
14:24 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, like you want your best reliever to face the best hitters.
14:27 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:27 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:27 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the best chance to get him out and that would be a case for putting Matt Brashon because that was the middle of the podries line up in the ninth inning.
14:37 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:37 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It was it would have been Merrill and then it would have been two righties after.
14:40 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: However, however, I don't I think the Mariners were planning on that game ending with that bad or no matter what Well, I don't know about that
14:50 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because the game would have been over if Meryl reached a no-one else scored because it's Jose forever just two righties.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that could be.
14:59 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, I don't think that was a clear cut decision either way.
15:03 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There are numbers to suggest Brash could have gone in there and gotten Meryl because Brash has had success against lefties for his career.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Brash has better against righties than lefties.
15:12 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, Brash was better against lefties.
15:15 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that being said, again, take the Merrill splits into a count here, because it's Splatoon splits are loud.
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He hits right.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's much better.
15:23 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's not clear cut.
15:25 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to focus on something specifically, from Wednesday's game, other than Muno's giving up five runs in the ninth, or at least five runs being credited to him, if you want to look at something decision making wise, the real story here is,
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Munoz was left out, was just left out there to die, essentially.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They like hung out to dry.
15:46 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It was clear it was not his night.
15:48 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to pick it something, I would say that once Munoz let that out too slide or hang up to Campi Sano, who's the nine hitter for the Padres, and he ended up lacing it into left center field for a single.
16:00 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That right there is what I want when I would have gone and got Munoz and I would have gotten brash in the game to then face Ramon, Loriano, which would be right on right.
16:09 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you have the right on right match up with two outs, Munoz didn't have it, at that point it already faced six batters.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't going great.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's an argument to go to brash.
16:22 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd say the simplest way to look at it is you want your best reliever to be able to just take care of the ninth inning.
16:28 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't do that.
16:29 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really hard as the Mariners have seen this season at points when your best players aren't playing like your best players.
16:37 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then what do you have?
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Your team's just not what it is.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know who's team's best players playing great right now?
16:42 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Judges has been great for the Yankees.
16:44 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been unbelievable.
16:46 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That helps you win a lot of games when things go as they should, but so far for the Mariners offensively and for some of the bullpen, it's it's really just not been that case and that takes me to my last stat that has really concerned me so far.
16:59 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have lost their last eight games on the road and they've lost their last eight games to teams that don't have the worst pitching staff in major league baseball.
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an issue.
17:10 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like an issue and it is.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:15 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want us to say, losing eight in a row to non-astros opponents?
17:21 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Not good.
17:22 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You've still only won one series all year.
17:25 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's against the team that has a totally inept pitching staff right now.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
17:33 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think last thing we need to know because we've essentially saved this before we get to the mailbag.
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of good mailbag questions.
17:39 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: These topics that we're talking about here were probably our most asked mailbag questions.
17:46 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So we decided to just answer them for everyone at the top of the episode.
17:49 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But nothing has been asked about more than what we're about to bring up right here.
17:53 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I have never seen more DMs about a decision made in a regular season game than we got
18:05 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what did you think I was going to turn it back on you because you put out the tweet with the numbers which you can read and it's about how Connor Joe's numbers against lefties last year were not much better than railies and as a result then railie doesn't get to hit in the eighth inning in a leverage spot against Jason Adam who's a righty I like I would say this right that or you know what here you you read the tweet
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If you didn't see it, here are the numbers.
18:35 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So the situation was, more opponents on the mound.
18:39 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know the low down on him, he is essentially the best reliever in baseball against left handed hitters.
18:46 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_00]: At least he was last year, he is nasty.
18:50 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners have a couple of lefties on their team who do not hit left handers at all.
18:53 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom can zone, Luke Rayleigh.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just tough for them.
18:56 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Rayleigh last year in a sort of lost slash bad offensive season, had a 319 OPS against lefties.
19:04 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when he was good for the Mariners in 2024, Luke Rayleigh only had a 580 OPS against lefties.
19:11 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But Conor Joe in 2025, only had a 426 OPS against lefties.
19:18 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's what this situation told me.
19:20 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Mitch Garver came off the bench right after Conor Joe to hit in this situation, and he also did not get the job done.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There are two options here.
19:30 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You're either going to completely forfeit this ad bat, which I'm honestly fine with to get Rayleigh up against Jason Adam and the eighth inning in a big spot, which Connor Joe came up in that situation and he hit at that point, the hardest hit ball of the entire night, it just ended up getting caught.
19:46 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But you'll like the matchup with Luke Rayleigh and that spot a little bit better, given that he's been your hottest hitter.
19:52 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine for fitting that back to have Luke Rayley hitting later in the game because you're also kind of for fitting that back with Connor Joe at the play.
20:01 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Connor Joe for the last almost two calendar years has been a bad hitter in Major League Baseball.
20:07 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no real way around it.
20:10 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So putting him in that spot just because he hits right handed is a bad decision.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really, really bad decision.
20:18 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The only other option here was to put Mitch Garver in that spot instead of Luke Rayleigh and then you put Connor Joe and Luke Rayleigh spot once they go on defense.
20:29 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But that also means you bring your backup catcher.
20:32 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a great, that's not a great option either.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So the option is to leave Luke Rayleigh in the game.
20:38 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could have gone to Leo Revaust, but I don't know if that really works either.
20:43 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are in an unfortunate spot with the roster where Rob Reff's nighter is on paternity leave at this point.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations to him that's super cool.
20:51 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That is his spot.
20:52 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why Rob Reff's nighter is making six and a half million dollars this year.
20:56 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: To hit in that exact situation when you have to pull Luke Rayleigh out of the game against the tough lefty.
21:02 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The ref center is not on the roster right now, so he can't hit in that spot.
21:07 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I know people have been a little frustrated watching Rob ref center this season, but both while I would back up, Rob ref center getting a plate of parents there, 100 times out of 100 instead of Luke Rayleigh.
21:19 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not Luke Rayleigh versus Connor Joe.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So because of that, let me turn this back to you today.
21:26 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: For you, where does that one rank on the carpenter meter?
21:32 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, so for those who haven't heard this, we brought it up on one or two podcasts already and we still need to make a graphic of it to use on social media.
21:41 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point here on the next week or so, we'll get on it so we can start using it.
21:46 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But we declare it a couple episodes ago that for decisions like this for line up decisions, pinch hit decisions, bullpen decisions.
21:54 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start using what we call the Marine Layer Podcast Carpenter Meter.
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
22:00 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That means how pissed off do we get it as at a decision?
22:04 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's ranked on a scale of one-to-carry carpenter.
22:06 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were a listener of this podcast, you know why carry carpenter is the max rating you can get.
22:11 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know.
22:13 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So, one-to-carry carpenter, where does this rank for you on the carpenter meter?
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting you like a four.
22:20 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
22:21 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: See, I don't even know if I can get to four in mid-April.
22:24 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not crazy, high, right?
22:29 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what number is Carrie Carpenter at?
22:31 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Have we established that?
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it 100?
22:33 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it 50?
22:34 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's essentially 1 to 10.
22:37 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And Carpenter is the absolute extreme.
22:41 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It ends at Carpenter.
22:42 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Carpenter, for you, for you to reach the decision itself is just, it's an atrocity of a decision.
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
22:49 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it earns its way all the way out there.
22:54 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the emotion of it is why it doesn't go any higher.
22:57 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, in the end, these are regular season games.
23:00 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just can't.
23:03 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: At my age of 28 get all worked up over a Thursday night game against the Padres, where I'm getting close to like an eight or nine on the carry on on the one-to-carry carpenter.
23:14 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But the decision was, the decision was pretty bad.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was pretty bad.
23:18 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And it, it seemed like it was pretty universally disliked across all sections of the online Mariners community in our DMs and our mailbag questions on Twitter between the two of us.
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like,
23:30 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed pretty consensus that people are like, wait, what?
23:34 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's the fans, it captures like all sorts of fans.
23:38 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the fans who see Luke Raylee's your hottest hitter right now, and you want them to leave in the game.
23:42 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's noticing that Connor Joe doesn't actually hit left-handers.
23:46 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all of them.
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, correct.
23:52 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I had a train of thought, but while you were finishing your sentence, I'm trying to remember where I was going to go with it.
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know what I was going to say.
24:00 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't get worked up in mid-April.
24:03 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I can.
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not crazy worked up over this one.
24:06 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not happy they got swept.
24:07 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Believe me, that's its own thing.
24:11 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably be in the same range as you, a three or four.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I can get worked up over regular season decisions.
24:18 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: For example, last year in Atlanta, and maybe this one is more scaled up because it was September and they were on this ridiculous losing streak at that point.
24:26 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But when they had Harry Ford make his debut, who had reversed, who had reversed splits against whiteies all year and just crushed whiteies, they put him in against Dylan Lee, who's just a nasty lefty for the braids, look completely lost in his big league debut in his first hit bat, strikes out, as a result, you have to put Gino at first base because you yanked Naylor out of the game, or somehow the first baseman was yanked out of the game, to have Harry Ford take that at bat, if force Gino to go to first base and he immediately
24:55 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that one, you're not getting a carpenter, but that's where you start to get around the 7-8 range.
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Stuff like that.
25:02 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised you remembered it, because if I remember correctly, we were boycotting games.
25:07 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but I remember that unfolding.
25:11 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but to see that happen, you would have had to watch the game.
25:15 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We were boycotting for those who don't remember.
25:18 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, when when the mariners had that stretch in Tampa and then early on in Atlanta I think we told people during those episodes look guys We're gonna sit here and talk about it, but we're gonna be transparent.
25:27 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna lie to you guys We've been boycotting these things.
25:30 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't watched these games Now we're not boycotting yet.
25:36 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we don't have to get to that point.
25:39 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye
25:40 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't know like the decision.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the problem with these decisions.
25:45 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It just seems like the reason the batters are in the game, the only reason is because they hit right-handed.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No other context.
25:52 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like a problem, because context, as you can tell, in a lot of situations in the Mariners community this week, matter, context always matters when you're making decisions.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just doesn't make any sense?
26:05 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all.
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I'll spend, I know what you're referencing.
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll spend 10 seconds on this because I don't want to like.
26:14 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to harp on it too much because it's such a dumb thing to begin with.
26:17 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But just if you're out there, be nice to Angie, people like you guys have ever met her.
26:22 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: She is like one of the nicest people and she genuinely, really, really knows baseball.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like TJ and I learn from her all the time.
26:29 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So, just don't be an asshole, yeah.
26:31 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think most of you are, but just in case, like, don't be an asshole, be nice to Angie.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty nice to see a lot of the Mariners community behind her today.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty cool.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it deserved.
26:42 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we're probably way overdue to have her on with us, which we should definitely do here soon.
26:46 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm 100% agree with that.
26:48 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She knows a ton of all.
26:50 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good guess to have on.
26:53 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
26:53 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a mail bag to get to.
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28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start off with Michael on Patreon.
28:42 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael's question is, I think we need to cleanse our palette after that Wednesday night to buckle.
28:47 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Can each of you name a Mariners comeback victory that will always stick with you?
28:53 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
28:54 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, it's a perfect time to bring this up because hopefully it sparks some good memories.
29:00 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It was against the Padre's 2016 when they came back from 10 runs down to take down the Padre's in San Diego at Pet Co Park.
29:09 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're pissed off about the week of games that you just saw in San Diego, and again, you should be, you have every right to be, and you want to think on a happy memory, go back to that one 10 years ago.
29:20 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when they came back from 10 runs down in 2016, again, San Diego, that was pretty fun.
29:26 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's also the one I wrote down.
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm gonna take this a different direction.
29:30 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: If we're gonna like, we're lighten this up a little bit.
29:32 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's have some fun.
29:33 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the seventh inning, the Mariners scored nine runs.
29:36 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They had five in the sixth, Deho, Deho Lee hit a three run home run.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they had nine in the seventh.
29:42 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Seagur drove in two of those on a double.
29:45 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you name the other six Mariners who drove in a run and then inning?
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The other six?
29:50 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:52 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, Nory Ioki drove one in.
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
29:56 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's one.
29:58 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Dayholy isn't one of them.
30:00 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He is.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do.
30:01 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:02 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Leonis Martin was one.
30:06 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
30:10 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:11 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, seeger.
30:13 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I said besides seeger.
30:15 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, besides seeger.
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's six others.
30:17 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got in dayholy.
30:18 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got Nihoki.
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:20 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
30:22 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, was it Mike's a Nino?
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: no.
30:28 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who are we forgetting?
30:34 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Did Nellie drive one in?
30:35 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He did not.
30:37 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So not Nellie, and not Zenino, was Roddy one of them?
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Robin's in Kano?
30:44 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
30:45 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And so all of the main three didn't, but we have Ioki, we got Seeger, and we've got Day Holy.
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who else was, who else was playing?
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to go around the infield.
30:56 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you tell Marthay?
30:57 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Geez, you're ice cold.
31:00 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like one of our bullpen management trivias where I can't figure anything out.
31:04 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is your team.
31:05 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but I'm going around the diamond in guessing.
31:10 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not the catcher.
31:12 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the second basement.
31:13 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the DH.
31:14 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got the third basement.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not Leonas Martinez.
31:19 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, was there a picture of the trove in a run?
31:22 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
31:24 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And, like, just because it's Zinnino doesn't mean there's not a catcher.
31:29 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, was it Chris Aynetta?
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Aynetta's one, all right.
31:32 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You got three of them.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But who else would have been out there?
31:37 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Adam Lyndon, Day Holy, usually weren't in games at the same time, but we're running out of options.
31:42 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So was Lind one?
31:43 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
31:46 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You got three guys who played a lot of outfield.
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I guess Leon is Martin.
31:54 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: we tried, tried land, oh, who else was in that outfield?
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Try to remember that whole lineup, Ben Gamel?
32:04 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, dude, this is like the whole theme.
32:07 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:09 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Two of these guys spent a lot more time in the miners.
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Stefan Romero?
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's won.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I need two more.
32:20 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
32:22 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: This is tough.
32:22 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in tough for you, tough look.
32:25 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You would not be doing better if the roles were reversed.
32:27 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
32:28 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, give me some initials.
32:35 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: One starts with an S and one starts with an F. Oh, so goodies won.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Goodyus one.
32:44 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the last one?
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Another S. Setsmith?
32:47 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
32:49 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he was on the, he was on the team yet, right?
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe he was, no, he was.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was.
32:53 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:54 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So he, like, more utility guy, but not Romero.
32:59 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, give me a last letter, or last initial.
33:03 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
33:05 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: S-O, he shares a name of the fighter, doesn't he?
33:10 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean Sean O'Malley?
33:12 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the six were Day Holy, Chris Aynetta,
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden get walked off by Jackson Merrill.
33:22 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good.
33:23 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the first iteration of Jerry to Poto Mariners.
33:31 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when he said, look, we're reminiscing on 10 years ago.
33:36 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the team they've rolled out.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We think.
33:39 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be very good.
33:41 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But everyone, Jerry first got here and he was like, we really got to get more athletic and get better athletes on the team and that first off season.
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a day holy, Adam Lynn, Nori Ioki and I'm like, well, oh, and then they traded for Daniel Vogelbach mid season.
33:52 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, I don't know if exactly qualified these guys as peak athletes.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, running out Robinson, Kano, Nelson Cruz.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, goodie wasn't the most athletic back then either.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was a DH only.
34:06 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And a great feel like St. Iwakuma were not exactly like crazy athletic pitchers, especially that by that point.
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Inetta was an exactly a great athlete behind home plate.
34:19 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But they came back by 10 and beat the podries.
34:22 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Until last year, this was arguably the best team-jured photo rolled out in terms of Runs scored an ERA.
34:30 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they were they were a top 10 offense in a top 10 pitching staff, but in classic mariners fashion, they missed the playoffs because of course they did.
34:39 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That was Kyle Seager's best year or two, and that was the year that Robbie Robinson can know it's 39 and Nelson Cruz at a ton and then Kyle Seager at his best year, too.
34:52 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, and this still missed playoffs.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice job guys.
34:54 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Great job.
34:55 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Graham has a question on patreon that says I hate to be negative this early in the season but even with the team slow start some of the decisions Dan Wilson has made his already uh... or do you want to take the cost us wins a potential playoff places as any contendial playoff positions anyone else feeling that intentional playoff positions
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to read the question again?
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I stumble over my words.
35:18 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to read it?
35:19 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate to be negative this early in the season, but even with the team's slow start, some of the decisions Dan Wilson has made, already would be the ones that cost us, wins, and potential playoff positioning.
35:32 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Is anyone else feeling this?
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
35:38 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, now that you mentioned it,
35:44 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not exactly feeling like the two of us are new to this campaign.
35:48 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: First off, Graham, thank you for the question.
35:50 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You're always a great supporter.
35:51 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You always send us good questions.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly do not think you're alone.
35:56 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to this podcast, this is a topic regularly.
36:01 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So no, you're totally in your right to feel that way.
36:04 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope the Mariners just win the division by enough games that this does not come back to bite them, but you don't want it to come down to the wire because you will look back at certain decisions and harp on them.
36:14 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And the bigger issue, like we harped on all of last year, is can this get better by the time the playoffs come around because
36:22 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: that's when you see it cost you which when I had my meltdown last year after game one against the tigers that was so much of what it's about we said this is what we've talked about all year it's like you have got to learn by the time the playoffs come how to manage these games and you can't let playoff games cost you oh and they cost them they cost them so yes you are in your right to feel that way you don't I realize more and more as the games go on and like
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This should be more of a given fact, but Churchill just continues to be right.
36:57 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He often is, and you elaborate.
37:02 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm mostly think about his his dance or the way asked him is like right like what's one thing that's going to hold the Mariners back this year and he says Dan Wilson says I think Dan Wilson costs the Mariners eight games a season which is a fuck ton of games by the way that's a different between missing and making the bloods the difference between being the one seed and missing the playoffs.
37:23 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But exactly like where the Mariners are going to mess up I mean spot on pulling guys
37:33 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's the other thing he talks about with the lineup as well, which is, I mean, you know, it's like this team is gonna struggle against left-handed pitching.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these guys, you can't trust them.
37:45 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been right so far.
37:46 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, just a sort of a thought that comes into my mind as I read that question from Graham, but it's not been great.
37:52 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Dan is gonna cost some error to some games this year.
37:55 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They're able to overcome it, great.
37:57 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Not?
37:59 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already cost them games.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go back to the Cleveland series and look at that.
38:04 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, Graham, I know you live overseas, so your time zones are obviously different, but I mean, if you need some consoling and need some people who you want to feel like are in the same boat as you.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to look that far.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can go on Twitter.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go on our Instagram comment section.
38:23 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go to, I'm sure it's on Reddit.
38:27 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably in YouTube comment sections.
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a big, big narrative, at least online.
38:34 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you go read.
38:35 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of Dan Wilson discourse these days.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: On a question for Graham.
38:39 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I grabbed DM us or leave us a comment somewhere if you have an answer to this question.
38:44 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have someone to complain to about Dan Wilson
38:49 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like can you go to somebody and complain about Dan Wilson and they know what you're talking about here in Seattle, we can do that.
38:57 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Graham, can you do that?
38:58 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a totally honest question I'm dying to know the answer to.
39:04 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it like you just need to like listen to us to it.
39:09 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's baseball fans in Australia.
39:11 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We know baseball in Australia is growing, but if you were to go up to his local bartender and say,
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What is Dan Wilson doing?
39:18 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, taking Luke Raylee out of the game against Moro-Hone in the sixth inning on April the 16th.
39:25 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how?
39:25 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Raylee doesn't hit lefties, but Connor Joe's only got a 425 OPS against Lefty and a pitching.
39:30 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And he left Raylee in the game.
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And his bartender will be looking at him.
39:34 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Sir, there's rugby on, we're trying to watch.
39:40 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha.
39:40 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:40 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: See, if most of us were to go to our local bartender,
39:44 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably a chance they're going to be a sports fan or some baseball fan.
39:48 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You can vent, you can vent to your friends, you can vent to people at Mariners games.
39:53 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know about Nostralia.
39:55 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: For those who don't get the context, Graham was setting this question, lives in Australia.
40:01 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Kate has a question on Patreon.
40:04 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: As a lifelong Seattle sports fan, stuck living in Texas, what are some things to do or places to go y'all recommend for my first visit to Seattle this year?
40:15 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: team of a park.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm just kidding.
40:17 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good place to start it.
40:20 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking for the tourist spots and you want to see all those things, there's obviously pike place, carry park, gas works park, Seattle Center.
40:33 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're looking for more unique things and more
40:42 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll always recommend the haul, Queen Ambeirhal, Oxidental Hall, especially if you're at a game and either before or after you want a place to go get a drink or food, I mean, go right to Oxidental Hall.
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm hogging the mic here though, did you have ideas?
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Waterfront's great now.
41:00 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They've done a really nice job with the waterfront.
41:02 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: All the tour spots are worth it to hit.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your first time visiting Seattle.
41:06 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You will get what you want out of it.
41:09 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's good food there.
41:10 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's great views.
41:12 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You can go on the wheel down on the waterfront.
41:14 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But I honestly recommend kidding.
41:17 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're coming to Seattle for the first time ever, I would just do things you can't do in Texas.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Which means, go to some national parks.
41:24 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have the chance, I know that's not in Seattle, but if you're here for long enough, you could go to a national park if you want.
41:30 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you get a boat, whether it be an out, you actually rent a real boat, or you get like a canoe or something, and you go on like union, and you boat around.
41:39 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Get do those things really in Texas unless you live in Austin, I think you can a little bit, but in the rest of Texas, I don't I don't know what part of Texas, Kate is from, but that's sort of things that you can do and Seattle, but you definitely can't do in Texas.
41:54 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wasn't going to suggest that.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate hiking.
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.
41:57 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know that's why I'm suggesting it.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I said I'd hike for Kyle Tucker.
42:01 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing I'd hike for.
42:03 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, sorry, Kate.
42:04 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably going to give you different recommendations, but I'll give you one more aside from the touristy spots.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's still a little touristy, but get yourself dick spurgers.
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: While you're here, it's a Seattle staple.
42:17 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You might as well, it's good.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good spots.
42:21 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And Kate, if you're at a game, while you're here and we're there, send us a DM, we're always available.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Did anyone listen to me?
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see us at a game, you just send us a DM.
42:31 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy.
42:31 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Always around.
42:31 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you might just find us walking around the park anyway or see us down on the field anyway, but if you want to coordinate a meetup, more than happy to, genuinely.
42:43 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Alex has a question on Patreon.
42:45 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Is Josh Nailer having an unlucky start or a bad start?
42:50 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think there's any way you can pinpoint it as anything other than bad.
42:55 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There can be bad luck mixed in, but the results are what they are.
42:58 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're three weeks in, and he's not even OPSing 400.
43:01 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, that is on him.
43:03 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when you want to look at some of the stuff under the hood for Josh Nailer, one of the things on Savand that they measure is called squared up percentage, aka how many baseballs as he's squaring up, and what rate is he squaring them up?
43:16 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: he is in the 80th percentile of the league in square up percentage so yes there are balls that he's hitting on the dot that are not falling for hits that being said he's also not seeing a lot of pitches he is chasing a decent amount and he is he's not racking up hits so there is some bad luck next in but it has not been a good start
43:43 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think both can be true because Josh Nailer's really underperforming all of his expected stats if you look at expected batting average if you look at expected slugging, it's all at least a hundred points under where it should be.
43:59 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If it matched up with the quality of contact he has, the problem is even if he got to his expected numbers, they would still suck.
44:08 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So Josh
44:12 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Making quality contact like the the free swinging thing is totally real his Like his swing and miss rate in the zone is up his overall swing and miss rate is not that different like his chase rates Not that different.
44:26 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He's always been a bit of a free swinger.
44:27 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's always hit the ball on the ground a lot I just don't really think he's optimizing his contact.
44:33 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not making enough contact on pictures in the zone And frankly, I think this is a huge part of it
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He is popping the ball up on the infield too much.
44:44 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a, he had an infield fly ball rate last year of six percent.
44:48 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It is 21 percent now.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's bad.
44:53 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If you do that as a hit or you're not going to be successful.
44:58 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think you're muted.
45:01 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're right.
45:02 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Who call?
45:03 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's not great.
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, it's going to have to come down.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: there's not really any other way to go around it.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna have to get back to doing damage.
45:14 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So more like kicks probably.
45:16 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Josh Nailer entering today, at least by B-war, was the worst player in baseball.
45:25 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's not good.
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
45:29 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He also has on baseball, Savant, negative 10 batting run value already.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They played 20 games.
45:37 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that seems like a problem, but that's a big problem.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really, that's really bad.
45:43 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't think you can look up who is the worst on the Mariners last year, but let's look up like in the positive sense, right?
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what a good full season of run value is.
45:53 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Aaron Judge in 2025 had positive 79 run value.
46:00 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer is on pace to obliterate that record the other way.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Other direction.
46:05 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously it's going to come up at some point, but they needed to be soon.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He had the one really good game earlier in the week, which was great.
46:14 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They need more consistency out of the guy that's supposed to be heading clean up for them.
46:18 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer is tied with Luis Angelicunia and Marcelo Zuna for the worst players in baseball by war at negative 0.7.
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's been 20 games.
46:27 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The guys just ahead of him, Nick Castellanos, Matt Walner,
46:32 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Benintendi, Rafi Devers, shockingly, he's not off to a good start.
46:37 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not smooth flooding early on for Josh Naylor.
46:42 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: People might have forgotten this part of it.
46:45 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it?
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not ironic.
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the skatern around.
46:49 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners two free agent signings are two of the worst offense of players in baseball.
46:57 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It really is amazing.
47:03 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, what's worse, Josh Nieler being the worst qualified player in baseball by war or Rob Reft Snyder literally not having a hit.
47:13 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, Nieler, because Reft Snyder doesn't have a ton of it bats.
47:18 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I know they haven't been great at bats, but in reality, what are Rob Reft Snyder's numbers come out to?
47:23 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Roughly three to four games played, three to four games worth of the bats, that's not that many.
47:29 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Nieler's playing all the time.
47:31 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's lost his team almost a win is what that says.
47:37 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Not great.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, by the way, you know what I noticed today.
47:40 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even talk about it in the disaster of a series.
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The manor's just played.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This definitely showed in the series.
47:46 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Manor's a right back at the bottom of defense again.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're 29th and out's 28th and out's above average as a team.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So Cole Young's defending well.
47:56 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We know Julio can defend.
47:57 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: We know Calc and Defend.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's going to defend.
48:02 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously not enough.
48:03 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The second most DMs we got this weekend was watching Randy Arozerina play on Wednesday.
48:09 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_01]: When Colt-Demorson comes up, this is gonna have to change.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it already.
48:15 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan Donovan's gonna have to go to left field.
48:17 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Third base is not his natural position.
48:19 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I commend him for filling in while he has and playing a position that he hasn't played a ton of because that's where he fit early on.
48:25 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But you gotta put him in a position where he's more comfortable, like left field.
48:29 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's time to get Randy Rosarina out of the outfield.
48:33 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, and by the way, Colt-Demorson made two more web gems here on Thursday, intercoma.
48:41 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the human side of it, they'll claim will be tougher because Randy's not going to want to just de-ach all the time, especially in a contract year, but at the same time, if you're not performing and you're not playing well in the field, you can't warrant more time in the field.
48:54 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You just can't.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not performing out there, you're not going to play out there.
48:58 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from S over street on YouTube and the question is, should Matt Brash take over his closer for Andre's Munoz?
49:07 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
49:08 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, as I know it was frustrating on Wednesday, everybody's frustrated, but Munoz isn't moving out of the closer spot, at least not anytime soon.
49:16 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that he has not thrown as many strikes, and I know he talked about on Thursday that the feel for his slider hasn't been right so far this year, and he's really working to try and get it right.
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: but you're not changing anything yet.
49:28 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It would probably take till June or so to have that happen.
49:32 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't change anything.
49:34 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see the benefit of doing that.
49:38 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, again, closer, or fixated on the closer of pitching the last three innings.
49:45 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want Matt Brash to pitch against the middle of the lineup, maybe.
49:50 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And Andres, Munoz could still pitch at the end of the game.
49:53 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, but there's to be no big changes.
49:58 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two should be facing the two highest levered situations in every game they're ahead.
50:03 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by the way, going back to the defense thing for a second, Julio is currently in the negative.
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got negative 1 out to above average.
50:12 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's like it's not like negative 5.
50:14 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No,
50:16 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke Rayley's at negative two, he's in the 14th percentile, so that outfield defense ain't exactly looking all that sharp right now.
50:24 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't want to tell me where Randy is to you.
50:27 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm sure it's not great.
50:30 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You want me to look?
50:31 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
50:31 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, actually ranked slightly better than Rayley, he's at negative one, 20th percentile.
50:38 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll ask again.
50:40 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do the Mariners have good defenders?
50:44 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Second base, catcher, eventually you know it'll work itself out in the center field that just the metrics are not backing it up to start the year for Julio, but that's about it right now.
50:55 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you've got to move Donovan to left and put Randy at DH once Emerson's up because Colt will go play third.
51:02 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Sit Dan Wilson's going to cost this team games.
51:05 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the defense might too.
51:06 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like last year they were able to slug their way around their defense.
51:10 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But man, this defense, it just does not give you any wiggle room at all.
51:16 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to, if everything needs to be perfect for you to make defense a place, it's, it's tough.
51:22 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard on your pitchers.
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Really hard.
51:25 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
51:25 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Two more questions ago.
51:26 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Next one comes from Mike on Twitter and his question is, do you think it's time to move Cal Spot in the lineup until he's hitting more?
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, no, I just don't know what you really do instead.
51:39 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't
51:40 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You could argue to move Luke Rayleigh up in the lineup at some point if you really think that you want him getting more of that because he's been hitting so well, but I don't think you can do something like move Cal down to seven.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know where everybody else goes.
51:55 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, could Cal move to three, could he move to four, could you make a marginal change?
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
52:01 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe Luke Rayley moves up and you put Julio 3 and you put Cal 4, but I don't see anything drastic happening where Cal is going to be hit in 7.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just no way.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also just too early.
52:12 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: These decisions get made in June.
52:15 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't get made in the middle of April.
52:18 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how the Mariners line up gets better by doing this.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they get better at all.
52:25 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, last question comes from Nick on Instagram.
52:29 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And next question is, what's one trade that you think would fix the Mariners offense in a potential world series title?
52:39 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest, I said, Yordon might become my new Kyle Tucker on this pod.
52:44 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yordon?
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny you say that.
52:48 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: because my thought with this question is, okay, what the Mariners need is they need someone who crushes lefties.
52:57 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You wanna know what is the best WRC plus against lefties in all of baseball?
53:01 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you enlighten the people?
53:03 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be your on Alvarez with a 374 WRC plus a 10% strike a rate hitting.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Get this.
53:13 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Five, 45, 621, 182, slash line.
53:22 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's about a 1700 OPS.
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pretty good.
53:26 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He is dominating left-handed pitching.
53:30 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners could use one of that.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, Shadow Cole Young, 196 WRC-Polskins left-a-ase.
53:37 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Too good for Cole Young.
53:39 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen.
53:40 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Dare to dream if Kyle Tucker can't be a thing anymore because he's on a new free agent contract somebody else has got to be and I see left handed hitter I see Astros I see everybody getting on me because they're gonna say it's impossible.
53:53 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I see Astros fans getting pissed off You're gonna dream on the idea of a potential Hall of Fame hitter You want to fix the offense you want to go to the world series go get that man You're on that is what they need though.
54:06 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: They there's one trade on making today
54:10 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Top priority would be hitter against left-handed pitching number two would be a high-leveled bullpen arm Because shockingly enough.
54:17 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think someone to hit lefties is a higher priority than bullpen arm It could be if this keeps up it will be
54:27 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we've read the splits for the Mariners left versus right.
54:31 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this will be the last thing we do here on this podcast.
54:33 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's, it's stark, man.
54:36 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So for this season, the Mariners line up as a whole lefty versus righty.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's exactly what you would expect.
54:44 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're watching the Mariners this year and you're like, all right, I mean, I just noticed this team is not producing it all against left handed pictures.
54:52 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at this.
54:54 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
54:55 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Versus left-handed pictures this season.
54:58 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners lineup has a 503 OPS.
55:02 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right-handed pictures.
55:04 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a 7-16 OPS.
55:07 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That is huge, huge.
55:12 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they're barely OPSing over 500.
55:17 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a Tacoma Rainier against left-handed pitching.
55:21 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to compare us in last year's team, game 7 of the ALCS level lineup, and an OPS of 746 against righties and 727 against lefties.
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a massive year over your difference.
55:36 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They should get back to that.
55:38 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be nice.
55:39 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They gotta start hitting.
55:41 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal Julio Randy Robreff Snyder.
55:45 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_00]: get on a guy's hit you mean they were ready to hit yet but like you need to keep hitting against lefties because he's i'm i'm naming all the righty so we're going to hit against left handed pitching i see those are the guys you got a lean on sure yeah that's facts well
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