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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 400 of the Marine Lair podcast.
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00:57 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening May 7th, I'm going to start this off with a hard hitting question to you.
01:07 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you to choose one or the other.
01:10 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think was less likely in the moment?
01:14 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: On Sunday night, you thinking the Mariners were going to beat the Atlanta Braves in a series or like November first 2022
01:27 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I honestly feel like I want to say the Mariners beating the Braves because the Mariners have not played well and the Braves are the best team in baseball.
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know where a podcast is going to go.
01:39 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The average podcast, they say it doesn't get past three episodes.
01:44 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I...
01:47 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this was our vision, right?
01:50 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know if it's gonna work out, but I think we had the idea and the plan to really put a lot of time and effort into it.
01:56 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So often the Mariners getting a series went over the braids because I didn't think they were going to going into the series.
02:02 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The number 400, those sounds really intimidating before you actually start though.
02:07 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say it's more than, we've put out more podcasts than there are days in a year right now.
02:14 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's nuts.
02:17 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll still say the Mariners beating the Braves.
02:22 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Of the, of the Braves offense was going to show up in kickass and Mariners pitching did great.
02:27 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact this is the weakest pitching staff objectively they've rolled out the entire year in this series.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Something, not bad, not bad.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Not bad at all.
02:35 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But as always, when we talk about these milestones or talk about these podcast celebrations, they're only possible because every single one of you guys,
02:45 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: the tunes in and lessons and follows and watches, whether it's on YouTube or on social media.
02:52 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you guys make this entire thing go.
02:54 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ and I get to show up and talk and rip our stupid takes, but we've only been able to make it through 400 episodes because of all of you guys.
03:03 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say, if nobody was listening through 400 episodes, I'm sure the motivation might start to drain a little bit,
03:15 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And because of you guys, we get to do live events now, which are the coolest thing ever.
03:21 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And we get to, you know, show up places and people get to come hang out and watch and talk mariners.
03:26 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, quick, plug are Trevi and I that Emerald Queen casino made 26 hope to see you there.
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: 6 p.m.
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, I think a special special for us that we get to do this.
03:37 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a weird.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say that sentence over again, because especially special is not, is not a thing.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to try that again.
03:43 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That works, especially special now.
03:46 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, exceptional is a more efficient way to say that.
03:50 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We get to have, we get to do these events because of you guys.
03:52 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, we get to do an event in the south, and we get to do it with a great partner of ours at Emerald Queen Casino, be set up in the sports book.
03:59 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a whole fun time.
04:01 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You can play some trivia with us, and you can watch the Mariners that sounds awesome.
04:05 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been getting asked forever to do an event in the south, and we will now have multiple events in the south this year.
04:12 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: for all of you listeners in Tacoma, Bonnie Lake, Olympia, maybe out on the peninsula and you don't want to take a ferry.
04:19 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is an opportunity for you guys to come see us and come hang out with us and we're honestly really glad to make it happen.
04:26 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm glad you just clarified that and that you mean south of Seattle and Southern Washington like Tacoma, Olympia, etc.
04:33 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because no, unfortunately we are not doing a live show at Tuscaloosa.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
04:39 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if there was demand for it, we would do it, but I don't think the per capita Mariners fans and Tuscluses, the per capita of Mariners fans in Tuscluses, very high.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I'm going to go with no.
04:51 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a handful of Mariners fans that go to Alabama, but it cannot be a lot.
04:55 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: South sound.
04:56 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: South sound.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:57 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:57 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners community is more than just the city of Seattle and the east side of Seattle, but much, much more than that.
05:05 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're on the east side or if you're in the city of Seattle, you should still come out because it's going to be a blast.
05:11 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
05:11 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We've early.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, definitely we've early.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably be leaving early in the afternoon.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
05:16 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:17 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:18 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not possible for everyone to take off work to come, but if you are going to that, you probably want to leave at latest four clock.
05:26 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
05:26 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're leaving from Seattle.
05:28 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But hey, 400 episodes, pretty cool, not possible without all you guys.
05:33 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, you know what else is cool that the Mariners actually beat the best team in baseball, two out of three in a series.
05:40 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta tell you, baseball really is such a stupid game, isn't it?
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
05:46 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I will never quit it.
05:48 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be in my life till the day I die, but it is a really, really fucking stupid game.
05:54 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're, they get swept by the royals, everybody's down, that you're going to, you're talking about a potential Owen six homestown because the braves are world beaters these days.
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: and then they win two of three against the braves.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, just snap their fingers and win two of three.
06:10 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have made sense if you told us before this homestead started, that the Mariners are gonna go two and four in this homestead, you're like, all right, you beat the royals, two out of three sounds right, and you get swept by the braves, who have a great offense.
06:22 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Their offense is up there with the Dodgers in terms of productivity.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, many aspects of it, it's better.
06:28 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the braves didn't really score any runs all weekend.
06:30 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the, the only like real peak braves offense we saw was on Friday, when they, or sorry, Monday, at least back to all those home runs.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And against Logan Gilbert and the sixth inning.
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was honestly it.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners pitching for his deployed as it was,
06:49 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It was showed out.
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And Logan Gilbert had the worst start of the three.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby still looked really good.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just unfortunate.
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Munoz gave up the home run to Matt Olson in the night inning.
06:59 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And Brian Wu, I mean, calmed all the rumors and the people in our DMs telling us to put Brian Wu in the IL because something clearly isn't right.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's totally fine.
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And he got back to form.
07:12 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu's somebody I will borderline never worry about.
07:15 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It would take a lot of bad starts in a small sample to get me to worry about Brian Wu.
07:21 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually,
07:22 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Reverse that a lot of bad starts in a large sample to get me to be worried about Brian moved to bad starts Look guys Taric's goobles had back to back top starts in his career.
07:32 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It just happens that even the best of the best Paul schemes And his opening day start gave up five runs and was pulled out of the game What in the first or second inning sometimes weird things just happened but I never worried about Brian We've figuring it out many did because he went six shut out with nine punches
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are we giving MVP of the series too, Lyle?
07:50 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have a nomination.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You could go one of the starters.
07:57 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You could probably, you could probably go go Cole Young with note the three hits in game three, who Leo had the home running game three, but I think I know who you're going to say.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to say it's Josef Rare, isn't it?
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Josef Rare.
08:11 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He has really come some nerves after the first couple of weeks of the year.
08:16 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He was getting bat, he was getting babbapt, first couple of weeks and he had some bad luck go against them, but it wasn't all that inspiring couple of weeks in when he's letting all these bass runners on, he's not being efficient, he's not getting the ground ball out, he's turning that out.
08:32 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, he wasn't getting left, he's turning that around in a big hurry.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Now all of a sudden he's probably been the Mariners best reliever.
08:40 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This font page looks good too, and it's still a little early to say this is the, this is a guy in the second writer bucket.
08:48 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd want to see more of a season sample for Josef Rare and you could kind of use the anti moonios argument with Josef Rare where it's like, all right, we can't, if you want to say,
09:00 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Andre Smunius is going to be okay for the rest of the season because this is what he shown us.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just had a tough month where he's given up a couple of home runs.
09:06 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You could probably say the same thing in the other direction for Jose for air.
09:10 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been really good, but doesn't have the longest track record of success.
09:13 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, we can't like expect Jose for her to be the Mariners best reliever for the rest of the season.
09:19 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll tell you what, it's the same thing with in the disappointment with Muno, so it's like, well, it stinks he's pitching like this because he's costing the Mariners games.
09:27 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, Jose Ferrer is giving the mayor to some of the most important innings of the entire season when the bullpen is now essentially left up to him and Edward Pazardo to take it home with Muno's not pitching quite as well as he usually does.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And he showed up and showed out, man.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good.
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't totally put Ferrar in the second rider bucket, right?
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you said.
09:49 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
09:50 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we need to get to like September for that to happen.
09:53 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I even more mean that I don't know if he's that type of reliever in the sense of you expected straight nothing out of second rider when you got him.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ferrar was closing games for the Nationals by the end.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The Nationals were not a good team last year.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have a good bullpen.
10:07 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the Mariners acquired Jose Ferrar with the idea that he was gonna play some important role in that bullpen.
10:14 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he started that year on the minors, if I remember right, and then just paved his way into a leverage spot.
10:21 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still a lesser-known name making a much bigger impact than expected.
10:25 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Ferrer was going to be the second lefty in the bullpen.
10:29 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be the fifth, really, or he's going to be pitching in the sixth inning for some of the game's sixth and seventh inning in low-leveled situations where he would always be overshadowed by Gabe Spire and the other leveraged guys in the bullpen.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There would be four guys you would say when healthy are always above him.
10:46 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And hey, maybe that's still the case when Spire and Brash.
10:49 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: are back and then you have Bizarro, Spire, Brash, and Muñoz, all pitching in higher leverage spots than he does.
10:56 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But those guys, you know, for some reason or another, not pitching in those spots, whether it be injury or ineffectiveness and frayers taking that role and he's thrived.
11:05 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You know this, because we've talked about it, but let me inform all our awesome listeners.
11:10 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It took until this series, so over a month of games.
11:14 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: for Jose Ferrer to give up a single barrel.
11:18 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody had barrel the ball up against Jose Ferrer until this week.
11:22 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy does not let people hit the ball hard against them at all.
11:26 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And a barrel meaning the ball is hit 95 miles an hour at like, it's like an ideal launch angle.
11:34 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's what you would imagine like the best hit ball is for those of you that maybe a new listener aren't familiar with what a barrel is.
11:42 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If the batter makes contact and hits it, I'm gonna throw a number out there.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably close to being right.
11:46 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's above 95 miles an hour and between 18 or maybe 12 and like 32 degrees.
11:53 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Launch angle.
11:54 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The type of baseball's that don't go for extra base hits in the gap or leave the ballpark.
11:58 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:00 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, the fact that Jose forever is allowing under an average of 85 miles an hour, Exit velocity.
12:09 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.
12:12 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: and meanwhile checks out yes it does and meanwhile on the other side of that coin for anybody out there who might need to hear it as we sit and take a look at the Harry Ford tracker he is hitting 180 with a 509 OPS intriple A yeah the trade kind of says everything you need to know yeah from even if this isn't what Harry is I
12:42 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He, I don't think he's a bad baseball player, but, you know, I think the Mariners saw what was of higher value to them in this trade.
12:53 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, the Harry was never a great defender.
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He was blocked, he didn't really have a spot to play.
13:00 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there were questions about how well he could handle a big league pitching staff.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's working out.
13:07 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have the best catcher in baseball when he's at his best.
13:11 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: and now you have another very good reliever.
13:14 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good.
13:15 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get into this mail bag and a reminder to all of you are wonderful listeners if you would like to get it in on these mail bags and you want your questions answered more often.
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14:02 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob starts us off on Patreon and asks, so personally one of my favorite relievers to watch and all of baseball has been Pete Fairbanks since the Mariners Need Boatman helped, what kind of package would you send to the Marlins to get him to Seattle?
14:17 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think Fairbanks was on people's radar as a bit last year too, because he was ultimately traded, and he was a guy that you thought might be able to pitch toward the back end of a bullpen.
14:29 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But man, Pete Fairbanks is off to a tough start in Miami this year.
14:33 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He is getting hit hard, the ERA is ballooned.
14:37 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And even in years past where he's been good, I guess the best way I describe Pete Fairbanks is he's a little bit of a...
14:46 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: fake leverage guy, a little bit of a phony leverage guy because his, his, like, especially the last couple of years, because the walks get up there, the strikeout rate the last couple of years is not crazy and ultimately sometimes lacks some efficiency for as good a stuff as he has.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I take Pete Fairbanks.
15:07 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I don't think that's the guy who you can acquire and say, well, now the bullpen's fix.
15:13 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you could add something, but not fix it.
15:16 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's Bizarro, different traits, but effective to this level of Bizarro.
15:22 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, maybe a little bit more, a little bit more than that.
15:27 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he has been a leverage guy, and he's had years where he's been very good, but the last few, again, maybe phony leverage guy is a little bit of a harsh term, but I just don't know if I, here's how I put it.
15:40 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not in the Joe Endoram bucket at all.
15:42 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's just not.
15:45 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if you want to guess his trade value right now.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what his trade value is right this second, nothing.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Cat considerations.
15:55 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what he would cost right now, because he's given up what 10 earned runs and nine innings.
16:01 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So the strikeout rate this year is up, right?
16:04 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a 31% strikeout rate.
16:06 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's walking about 10% of batter.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: See, holds that the rest of the year in the era comes down.
16:11 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's going to be coveted a little bit.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's making $13 million on a one-year deal with the marlins this year.
16:18 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to take on about four million dollars if you're trading for him at the deadline The team like the marlins is out of it and they need they're shedding four million dollars in the latter stretch of the year Or maybe attendance is down a little bit because they're not Playing very well and they're out of at a contention not making as much money They should that salary to the Mariners
16:39 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, the Mariners would only have to go up a low end top 30 prospect if that might not even have to be a top 30 prospect to get Pete Fairbanks and four million dollars.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be that much.
16:49 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I great.
16:51 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Pete Fairbanks is striking out guys a little bit more this year, at least early on, but the reason I think you could call them a little bit of a.
17:01 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: phony reliever, cloudy or not phony reliever, but phony leverage reliever, cloudy leverage reliever, is because the two previous seasons in both 24 and 25, the strikeout rate really dropped.
17:13 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It was 23 to 24 percent, and if you want some perspective on this, Andreye's Munoz, who obviously closes for the Mariners, most years is somewhere from 31, 32, 33 percent in terms of the strikeout rate, which is very good.
17:28 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: you don't really want your clothes are only striking out a fourth of the batters he sees because think about it if he sees four batters in an appearance he's going to get one strike out and the other three are up to chance that's not what you want out of a guy that's supposed to be your nastiest reliever you want him dictating the inning by missing bats and putting up case and he wasn't really doing that is final couple years in Tampa it's that or you need to be in elite elite ground ball guy but i don't think he
17:58 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I mean, he strikes a bunch of guys out, but he's known for also getting ground balls because he throws His blinker a ton Well, that's what Muno's does that is best.
18:08 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets a bunch of strikeouts and ground balls.
18:12 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Duran might do it even better than Muno's does, but Fairbanks isn't really like that, you're right.
18:17 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And Fairbanks is older than Duran is
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:21 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But you wouldn't, so if you're training for, and I guess maybe this is a positive for the Mariners, if you're going to get to Rand, you'd have him for a year and a half, Fairbanks, you'd have for two months, and then you'd be a free agent again.
18:32 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe on to Rand Taylor Ward, stamp it as the Marine Lairpot Trade deadline.
18:38 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh on Patreon is asking, when can we expect to call you on extension and how long slash, how much do you think it'll be?
18:47 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we expect one?
18:51 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not not pressing at least.
18:53 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to expect extensions.
18:57 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's playing really well, but as I've stated before, what risk do the Mariners take by not extending him right now?
19:06 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're okay.
19:08 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You say low young ever going to sign a contract worth more than $120 million.
19:15 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Feels like that would be a lot, right?
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: $120 million contract?
19:19 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: This tools would, his tools would need to explode for him to make more than that.
19:24 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so for reference, Nico Horner signed his six year extension for about $150 million at the start of this year, but Horner was in his walk year.
19:36 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: six, five to six years older than Cole Young is and as much more established as one of the games elite second baseman and you talk about those tools he might not hit for power but he hits for a very very high average is really fast plays incredible defense he's a very old school baseball player but there are tools that help the team like there are tools that rank among the top of his position among the rest of his class and he got $150 million.
20:03 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you want to look to some other contracts among second baseman and you want to look to some other second baseman that have got extended, I mean you can always look at the Aussie Albeys contract but Cole Young for every good reason.
20:14 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think's taken a seven year deal for $35 million because that was an atrocious contract.
20:20 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You could look at somebody like Colt Keith.
20:22 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he took a six year deal for $28 million before he debuted.
20:27 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think Cole Young's taken that.
20:30 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If cool young were to sign an extension, it's probably a little bit more than what Albeys would get.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It would probably have to be seven years for $55 to $60 million.
20:41 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're the Mariners, you may just decide to wait a little bit and decide what to do with them down the road.
20:48 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Or the Mariners even sure they want to extend Koliang at this point?
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even the person of Koliang.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's how good as he is a baseball player.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And that sounds like I'm being a dick to Koliang, and I'm not.
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Koliang has been really good so far this year.
21:03 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you're handing out that kind of cash, you're like, you're sure this guy's going to be a good player for a really, really, really long time.
21:10 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Or at least the length of the contract, you'd hope so.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Cole Young is that yet.
21:17 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's proven it.
21:19 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So think about this timeline for Cole Young.
21:21 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young in 2024, let me pull up his fan graph.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have this right.
21:26 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So Cole Young in 2024 spent the entire season in Arkansas, where he was, let's say he was only, nope.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Minor leaks.
21:36 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
21:37 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so an arc in saw in 2024 the entire season co-young had a 131 WRC plus good Like especially good for the level didn't even plug 400 though, which is you know for a guy you want to pay you on at least some power there
21:51 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young plays in Triple A in 2025 before we got called up last year.
21:56 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It was good about 20% of bubbly garbage was definitely a lot hotter to end that and then he gets to the majors and he's put up the ADWRC plus he did last year in 77 games and this year 1117 and 38 games with plus defense.
22:13 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: it's like it's good it's it's definitely good at least with Colt Emerson though you can say there are there are elite tools here i'm not sure co-ion has an elite tool yet so in that case i don't think the mariners would be like we have to we have to put a pen to paper with this dude right now
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you can just wait to see more.
22:37 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's pressing it.
22:38 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you do need to see more of Coyoung for as good as he's been through the first month or so this year.
22:44 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you want a bigger sample size before you really start to have those conversations.
22:48 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And last right now, he's willing to take that Colt Keith contract.
22:52 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Coyoung should take that Colt Keith contract because Coyoung, if he plays well, we'll make more than $28 million over the course of the next six years.
23:02 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Keith's a DH though.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna hurt him.
23:04 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Keith is in above average hitter, but now on that Tiger's team he's a DH.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So how much money is he gonna make in arbitration?
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He's no, he's no leverage.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:15 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young keeps playing the kind of defense he does and is about a 115 WRC plus player, probably make more than $28 million.
23:22 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon.
23:26 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The question is, what does the biggest concern you're hearing privately that hasn't shown up in reporting quite yet?
23:32 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The whispers, beat reporters, always know something they can't quite report publicly.
23:38 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me clarify something before we answer this question.
23:41 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If there's secrets like we can't tell you, because then we burn relationships with people we know, like just if you guys want us to like spill dirt on this podcast and unless it is being said by someone we're confident, wouldn't have a problem with us saying it, we can't say it.
23:59 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, anyways, wow, what is it?
24:02 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll contradict that a little bit because we do try to tell people as much as we can tell people.
24:08 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we hear things that maybe aren't out there in the public and we try to tell people what's going on and give people a little bit of insight and so.
24:15 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we we want to keep people as informed as possible and paint the picture for people as best as possible.
24:21 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't necessarily think we never tell people things that.
24:27 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: let's say reporters.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we only talk about things that reporters are reporting.
24:31 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think sometimes we'll try to tell people things between the lines to give people further context.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
24:38 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about, yes, stuff that we know we can't share, I don't think we do that because like TJ said, then you burn bridges with people.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a little different.
24:49 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like no different than Ryan Davis going on a podcast and talking like for whatever he says and Ryan's about as open as possible with podcasts and radio stations and what he writes in the newspaper there's a lot of stuff that he doesn't mention a lot so and there and there's a lot that he knows yeah some of that
25:12 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We get to hear from people from time to time, but like TJ said, I don't think we can share all of it, or else people wouldn't want to trust us.
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say there's like one thing that I was thinking of for this though, because we gave you something.
25:25 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I honestly don't know if this is a secret, I don't think this is a secret, but from what we've picked up for the most part, it doesn't seem like there is any chance whatsoever Randy Rosarina is a mariner beyond this year, and that's from both sides.
25:43 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that scene in stepbrothers, where they're fighting what they're fighting in the backyard and Dale tries to bury Brennan alive and they're screaming and fighting.
25:55 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you're waking the neighbor shut up.
25:58 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the next morning, they come to their senses.
26:01 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And Dale says, I guess it's really over, huh?
26:06 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brennan goes, well, I think you bury in a lot,
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, where was I going with this?
26:16 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I swear I had a, I swear I had a, a tie to this.
26:19 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough look.
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I may have just lost it.
26:21 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, I swear I had a tie to this.
26:25 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I did, but I'm sure your reference was well- Oh, tensioned.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, now I know what it was.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No, say by the bell, I remember just in time.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: To that point of, well, I think you buried in me alive.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much did it.
26:39 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Randy Arroz Arena telling the captain of this team to publicly fuck off and for different languages, probably pretty much did it.
26:46 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It closed the door on this chapter when it eventually comes to a close.
26:51 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would also wonder on top of this, how that affects Randy's play the rest of the year.
26:57 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: As we can see, he's playing well, but you know, this is his walk here and he knows he's going somewhere else.
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Never know.
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it like this.
27:09 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: that bygons or bygons with that whole WBC stuff, sure, but you would really, like, and this is not just Randy, anybody in life who has a situation like that.
27:22 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you would really have to do some work to make up for what you said, to have that get fully buried.
27:33 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be pretty surprised and it would say that there's been a lot of work behind the scenes done internally.
27:38 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If Randy was going to say that publicly, and then he's back here again next year, that's what I think.
27:45 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, Randy's, you know, I think he'd be more than happy to be in Florida.
27:51 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that means going back to Tampa, I don't know if it means playing just somewhere on the East Coast in general.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:57 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think the Mariners aren't going to give them the money you want, Scott Boris is going
28:02 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's obviously in his 30s, he's not a great defender.
28:05 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it'll be, it'll be parting ways at the end of the year on both sides.
28:10 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I don't think the Mariners have an idea where he could even play, if he was on this roster.
28:17 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, like theoretically left field, but at some point, the Mariners need to make up an emphasis to get better on defense.
28:26 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like one of these years that has to happen.
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
28:30 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if you want one more little thing on Randy, look, we're not reporting this.
28:36 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you talk about things we've heard a little bit, I mean, have we heard rumblings at points that maybe people get a little frustrated with the way Randy takes it bats, especially when there's two outs, where he's trying to daddy hack it and just send the ball 500 feet rather than,
28:57 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Just it's okay to just swing for a line drive and drive somebody in.
29:01 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've heard that a little bit, but it sometimes looks like he's up there stat chasing.
29:06 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not reporting that, but if we heard small rumblings about that, yeah, a little bit.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's fair to say, right?
29:15 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say that was somewhat tied in, how I said, like, wonder how this affects him the rest of the year.
29:22 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
29:23 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: How are we approaches this year?
29:25 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well,
29:26 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say that's just a little bit of further context.
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
29:29 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: More specific.
29:30 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
29:30 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's really crossing any boundaries.
29:33 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's just us providing context to what we're talking about.
29:36 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, yeah.
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If you watch Randy Arozerana take a bath.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: it's not that hard to tell that that's essentially what he's doing.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that it bad he took in the ninth inning on Tuesday?
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He swung it a breaking ball, three feet off the plate.
29:51 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That to me and he swung hard at that thing too.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What that says to me is he had essentially decided that he was swinging well before the pitch was even thrown.
29:59 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He was going to try to time up a fastball.
30:02 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Hope it was a fastball and just end it because there was a runner on down
30:07 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That looked like Randy was trying to end it and be the hero with one pitch.
30:11 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he looked a little ridiculous because he got fooled by spin and swung it a ball three feet off the plate.
30:18 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well said, Lao, well said.
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31:22 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Evan's question is, are the Mariners particularly good at picking off runners and base dealers?
31:27 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Other than Randy getting caught stealing, I think it was ball four, I can't think of Mariners getting picked off and they picked off at least three guys I can think of.
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You did, you dug into the numbers on this a little bit.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They do have these unbasable reference.
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly, I didn't know if they kept track of these, but they do.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So here are the answers to this.
31:45 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So the mayors have been picked off as a team, like when they're on base.
31:50 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Three times this year.
31:52 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... and then according to these stats they've picked off seven base runners this year which puts them at number four in the entire league pretty good so yes Evan they have been pretty good at picking off runners i think getting picked off has been uh... not their strength chair well back to Randy we've started in full display on this home series yes
32:18 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They have, it's interesting how the baseball reference qualifies that they have a picked-off caught stealing and then they just have picked-off, so that one they would qualify as picked-off caught stealing because, well, Randy was walking to second base, so they're going to call that a steal attempt, even though there was a runner standing on the base.
32:37 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, you could see from that sentence there, how ridiculous that sequence was for Randy.
32:43 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that doesn't help.
32:45 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Who do you feel like has the best pick-off move in the rotation?
32:48 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's Brian Wu.
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Logan Gilbert has the best pick-off of the year.
32:58 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was partially due to Nailer, but still.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all righties.
33:03 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of hard with righties.
33:06 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, all righties are pretty much the same in my opinion.
33:11 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think who's the best athlete of the group and he has the quickest pickoff move as a result.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Also kind of helps he's the shortest one, right?
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got the least amount of body part to move.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: See smaller than the least, I guess they're close.
33:25 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably about the same.
33:26 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:27 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say it will.
33:28 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
33:30 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:30 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's kind of hard though, because in reality, rightees are at such a disadvantage compared to leftees.
33:35 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably, they would better pick off move to second base than they do to first base.
33:39 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are they going to do?
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're just, it's really how fast they are.
33:43 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Not like, can you deceive the runner?
33:45 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly still in the runner messing up on the base paths.
33:49 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Eric on Patreon, Eric's question is, what is stood out to you most about the ABS and the Mariners?
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: How good has Garb been at it?
33:56 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Any atrocious, um, we've had or how, uh, or how Kirby and JP, which just scratched the last part out of that sentence.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: How the Mariners done with the ABS this year?
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's just go with that.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say fine.
34:11 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they've been a courageous at it.
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Garver had the two challenges that were right almost immediately the other day.
34:18 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Cow, we know, it's pretty good at it.
34:19 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a really good feel for the zone.
34:22 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like any hitters have been incredibly selfish with it.
34:26 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think most of the hitters, obviously.
34:29 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's really costing their team challenges with a griege of calls that you're seeing six inches off the plate and they're being selfish and saying, well, I'm just pissed off that that guy called,
34:40 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Or like I'm pissed off and I'm gonna use a challenge and it costs your team you've really seen much of that I think guys have been pretty strategic with it and no one better than Rob Ruff Snyder who doesn't challenge all that much But when he did it swung the entire game into the favor of the Mariners and St. Louis because I for what I believe was the first time all year He had tried to challenge a pitch it worked and then he honoured
35:03 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want numbers on players, so Mitch Garver has been the best catcher the Mariners have it over turning calls.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That one's expected.
35:12 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawfer has been the Mariners best batter at challenging, also expected.
35:18 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: As the team, the Mariners have the 8th most overturns as a batter in our 15th as pitchers, and that is by the raw number of correct overturns they have, in terms of percentages, the batters are 18th and the pitchers are 12th.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So fine, nothing crazy.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the pictures it counts as catcher, aka catcher's challenging.
35:44 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You could throw a picture in there too, but it is the catcher challenging and the catchers always have the best view of the strike zone.
35:50 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I feel like the reason Garver leads is because it's sample size of smaller and cows.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The percentage is better.
35:56 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep.
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's enough, right?
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's doing pretty good.
36:00 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so the Mariners overall have been, I'd say net average as a team.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to challenging.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: nothing exceptional.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be such a year to year thing.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
36:11 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's ever going to be a team that year in year out's going to be just great at challenging pitches.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just no way.
36:19 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the end of the day, your challenging calls made by humans and humans make different calls all the time.
36:24 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the entire reason the system exists.
36:27 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So to say year in year out or the best challenging team in baseball will take some crazy
36:35 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The Empire has to fuck up first.
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to take crazy luck.
36:41 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be whichever team gets CB Buckner behind the plate the most often, and they'll have the best challenge percentage.
36:47 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
36:47 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The ones that are most obvious to do.
36:50 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Though there are still plenty of at-bats where guys are cold out on egregious pitches and they don't challenge it.
36:58 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes guys just get a little tense about it.
37:00 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they don't want to burn one of the two challenges.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not 100% sure.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And these are like, egregious, right?
37:09 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think the Mariners have many guys that again are going to be selfish with challenges and cost the team.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think these guys know the strike zone pretty well.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, they only do it when it's close.
37:19 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they also learn their lesson pretty quickly.
37:21 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember Cole Young did it.
37:22 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the second inning on a ball that was clearly a strike challenges it calls upheld.
37:27 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, dude, like you've very walk back to the dugout.
37:31 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And the coaching staff's like, what are you doing?
37:35 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did you do that and then he hasn't got it since no, he doesn't you learn your lesson really quick Because you realize oh, oh, I got it.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it and then you're sitting there thinking about it.
37:46 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like well Was it really that but oh, no, it was not just right
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right next question.
37:55 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This one comes from Graham on Patreon.
37:57 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Graham's question is, if things continue as they are now, it is inevitable that the mayor's will trade Luis Castillo sooner rather than later, which teams will realistically be interested in him and what could you get back.
38:12 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've talked about this on some other episodes and some other mail bags.
38:16 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if that contract is tradable with the ways performing at this point.
38:21 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it seems like the obvious solution is to just trade them, but it's really hard to execute a trade in major league baseball and there's two sides to every trade that goes without being said.
38:31 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't know what team is out there that's gonna say, we'll trade for them, we'll take on some of the money and take them off your hands.
38:43 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually thinking of one team right now while the meds.
38:49 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess anything's possible with them, but even still doesn't David Stearns know that Louise is struggling and it stops down and hasn't been as efficient.
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, David Stearns
39:00 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But as we're sitting here, it comes out that Pete Alonzo's making fun of them for using his formulas and is out here saying, listen, 10 years from now when they're considering me for the Hall of Fame, you're still going to be calculating your fucking formulas.
39:12 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Pete Alonzo took big shots at David Stern's apparently and the reporting came out about it today.
39:18 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But David Stern's use is a system.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's very analytical.
39:23 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that why we signed Obeshet in a play, third base or Jorge Blanco to play first base?
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Those I don't have answers on, or for you on.
39:32 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Those I just don't.
39:34 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Bob is chef playing third.
39:35 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they said, look, we want one of the best hitters in baseball when he's at his best on our team and we'll figure it out from there.
39:41 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, the defense is really costing him, and Bob is chef has not hit a lick.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And Planko, please have been hurt.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, surprise.
39:53 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for Polo.
39:54 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel bad for him too, but the formula would have, you know, said, hey, David, Jorge Polanco has never made $20 million in a year before.
40:04 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's always injured.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He dealt with injuries last year, even in his great season with the Mariners.
40:08 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to play him at a position he's never played before.
40:13 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Signed.
40:15 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: In that case that he's traded for Luis Castillo taking on all the money and while you're at it, you can just trade the Mariners Carson Benge.
40:21 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be calmer all over again with Eddie and Robbie except this one might go worse.
40:27 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Mariners would get any sort of good prospects from the Mets, but I'm just saying.
40:32 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The Met's feel like a team that'll have a rotation injury, they need to, they can fill it with Luis Castillo.
40:37 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They have enough cash in their organization with Steve Cohen to eat his contract and they give up a low, low, low, low level prospect.
40:46 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that you say it, if there was going to be any team that was going to do it, yeah, the Met's.
40:51 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be such a men's thing.
40:53 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, if I'm not mistaken, the Met's already have injuries.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Code I sang is on the IL.
41:01 --> 41:01 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
41:02 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, teacher, they could always bring back dick-lovelady.
41:06 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de
41:23 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say age and in effectiveness has never stopped Steve Cohen from showing up from paying lots of money to players.
41:31 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to the analytics in the formulas show that Craig Kimberl is still the guy they only.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No, actually he's not been very good at all.
41:42 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they can't be paying him very much.
41:45 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they can't, but this is a pitching staff that is not a Luis Castillo proof.
41:53 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would, again, that would be the team that would take on his contract.
41:56 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be the Dodgers, it wouldn't be the Phillies, Phillies already have a bunch of starters.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be the meds.
42:02 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners could get him out of the league, too.
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the question is, Lyle, what would Frank the Tank's nickname be for him?
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Luzis Castillo.
42:14 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:14 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds pretty accurate.
42:20 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
42:21 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we can have them on at some point if the Mariners trade Louise to the next.
42:26 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We can see what he thinks about it.
42:29 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
42:29 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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43:46 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex on Patreon is asking, Emerson Angoc is definitely earned a rotation spot after his performance this season.
43:52 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: However, how loyal are they to their veteran players?
43:56 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the chances that the M's trade-in wall is stock as high and what caliber players could they get in return?
44:02 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So they get out to saying because the Mariners are so loyal to their veterans, would they flip Emerson Angoc for some players of need at other positions?
44:11 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be pretty shocked, man, I really would, because by essentially finding gold with Emerson Hancock, and after a couple of years of some ups and downs, the fact that you really seem to have turned a corner and figured things out,
44:25 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked to see that they would trade him away with so much control too.
44:30 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about it, Emerson Hancock is going to make the league minimum this year and next year.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't even hit his first year of arbitration until 2028.
44:39 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking about essentially five years of control right now that you have with Emerson Hancock.
44:43 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess technically it's more like 4.75 years as we're sitting right now on May the 7th.
44:49 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But for a guy that's making the league minimum for the next two years and his trend in toward an all-star game and now is a chance to stick in your rotation I'd be pretty surprised that they were gonna trade him away man, and if they were gonna trade them for the way he's pitching I don't think they do it unless it was a legit young controllable star bat in return And they couldn't get that back for him.
45:12 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No You're not gonna get back Even if you wanted to take a slight project on somebody
45:19 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Orioles are trading Jackson holiday, for example, for a lot of you and I thought of the exact same player.
45:27 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's almost like we do a podcast together and know each other's wavelengths of thoughts after doing this for years and years and years.
45:34 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Because for the Orioles, it's like, okay, we've, we've struggled for ever to develop pitching.
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get a young pitcher in here with a ton of control.
45:42 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Jackson holiday is not let the world on fire in Baltimore.
45:45 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners would be like, all right, we will take on the risk of his development in the middle of our lineup and sort of solve a couple of problems for ourselves.
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even think they would do that.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
45:58 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think for Emerson there's enough of a track record yet.
46:01 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He completes this season and we enter this off season and teams are calling around asking what the price is and the Mariners get blown away.
46:09 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible for them, especially with Cade and the Wings.
46:12 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But right now, I mean, Emerson Hancock is best served pitching in your rotation because he's one of your two best arms.
46:19 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where he, that's where he should stay.
46:21 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
46:22 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And by next year, you'll have Kate and Ryan Sloan approaching.
46:25 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So that does make things interesting.
46:27 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, you're not doing it unless you're absolutely blown away.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's no shot.
46:32 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, Emerson finishes the year having a ridiculous season.
46:35 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They may just, they'll probably want to keep them.
46:40 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, question, are the Mariners loyal to the
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, the track record doesn't really say that.
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they don't.
46:48 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Fliped Robby Ray after signing them after a couple of years.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They have shopped Luis Castillo around.
46:53 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I know they haven't traded them.
46:55 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They traded, well, I mean, they de-fade Mitch Hanager.
46:59 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no loyalty there.
47:01 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:02 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Seager, exited with, who will get to here in this last question.
47:08 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Did not end on good terms with the Mariners.
47:14 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Nelson Cruz walked, right, I don't, yeah, I don't think it's crazy.
47:20 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I honestly, I don't think they're that loyal to veteran players.
47:24 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they like a good deal better than established veterans on their team.
47:29 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the reason why the roster sometimes shuffled more than people would think.
47:35 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not like the fillies, that's for sure, or the meds.
47:38 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are much more loyal to their veterans.
47:41 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
47:42 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And time will tell whether or not that's the right call for the Mariners.
47:45 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have a huge problem with it.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to win baseball games.
47:48 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And right now, the better course of winning baseball games is keeping Emerson Hancock and your rotation as opposed to keeping veterans on the team.
47:57 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So for sure.
47:57 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And especially when you get a lead level production with League minimum, you do it.
48:02 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No doubt.
48:03 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny where it's almost like we're angling our way toward broken salt trends with knowing each other's thoughts those guys have been doing it 17 years and they always say yeah, we pretty much know exactly what the other's gonna say at this point Well, I'm not saying we're quite there But you see what happened there each of us are thinking Jackson holiday again.
48:19 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like we know each other Well, we got 14 years to go to catch up to them
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get there.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:26 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Final question to this male bag comes from Xander, Banger to End on.
48:31 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I've been thinking, the next Mariners Hall of Famers should be Nelson Cruz or Kyle Seeger.
48:36 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's not made a single appearance since his last game in 2021.
48:39 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we see him return for the top 50 Mariners in August?
48:45 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
48:47 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate to break into Xander because it would be very cool for him to come back.
48:51 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be pretty shocked.
48:53 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to talk about things that we hear, that maybe aren't talked about at nauseam in the public all the time?
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We can share this.
49:03 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Kyle Seager likes the Mariners front office.
49:06 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a reason he hasn't been back since.
49:09 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a reason Corey Seager did that post game interview in 2023 and said the things he said about God I love having an ownership that spends and cares about winning is he standing on the field a team of a park as he just eliminated the Mariners from the playoffs.
49:23 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the way that Kyle Seager put quotes out at the deadline in 21 told you a lot saying that he thinks Jerry just sits up at his office and plays fantasy baseball.
49:33 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether you think it's right or not, no matter who's side you're on, it would be surprising to me to see Kyle Sager show up this summer.
49:43 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he does, but I'd be surprised.
49:45 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Not until Jerry's gone, and Jerry's, I don't think, is going anytime soon as far as we know.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it feels like.
49:54 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, who do you do think
49:59 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So because of that, and he won't come, I don't think the Mariners would put him in their Hall of Fame if he's not going to show up.
50:06 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we would be right in that area of him getting inducted, like he's pretty clearly retired at this point, it's not coming back to play, so that would be something the Mariners would coordinate with him and want to get him back out to Seattle and allow him to, you know, get in trend, which would be, you know, it would be pretty cool.
50:30 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Lead Nelson Cruz get inducted before him.
50:32 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Does Nelson Cruz deserve to be in the mayor's Hall of Fame?
50:36 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: As great as he was, it was only four years.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good four years.
50:42 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very good four years.
50:44 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I think anybody who listens knows we have our own issues with the mayor and his Hall of Fame and who's in it and who's not.
50:53 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think four years might be a little too short.
50:55 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: As great as Nelly was.
50:57 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the shortest tenured person in there?
50:59 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So Felix was 14 years, four to 15 years.
51:05 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Each row was 12 years.
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Moyer was 10 years.
51:11 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Lou was nine or 10.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie was 11.
51:15 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Lou was nine.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Griffey was 11, 12, 13.
51:20 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan was 11.
51:23 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy was 10.
51:25 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Edgar was 16.
51:29 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Beuner was 12.
51:36 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's 13.
51:38 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: 13.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: 14.
51:39 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:40 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Dave Nehouse and Alvin Davis, who were both over over five.
51:45 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he was only here four years.
51:47 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:47 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They would be pretty.
51:48 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be they would be setting a new precedent if that was the case.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If there was anyone though who's only played four years as a mariner to get in, it'd probably be him.
51:56 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:58 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I did get a little bit of a laugh seeing all the mariner's Hall of Famers sitting out during Randy Johnson's ceremony.
52:04 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to be honest.
52:07 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
52:07 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I got a little bit of a laugh.
52:10 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well.
52:12 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at all the guys sitting out there and you see Randy being celebrated and then you see Edgar and you see Junior and you see Felix and you see Alvin Davis and you see J. Beuner and then you see Dan Kind of stuck out Because he was wearing his uniform Well, it could be that could be the fact that he had a career 80 WRC plus and is in the Mariners Hall of Fame Yeah, yeah
52:44 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stuck out.
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Sitting next to Junior and Edgar.
52:48 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners put Nelson Cruz in the Mariners Hall of Fame, do they have to put Robbie into?
52:54 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You would think, and you got to put A-Rotten.
52:57 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, because once you put one guy who's been busted for PEDs in the Hall of Fame, then you got to put him all.
53:02 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
53:03 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:04 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly based off of significance would put Robinson Kino in the Mariners Hall of Fame.
53:08 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This man decided in his free agency out of every single team he could have chosen, he was going to choose the worst franchise in sports at the time in the Seattle Mariners.
53:21 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's essentially what Robinson Kino's free agency boiled down to.
53:24 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I stay a New York Yankee or do I go to the worst organization in sports?
53:31 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners overpaid, and they got it done.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that is when everything started to change.
53:35 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying the Mariners made the playoffs immediately.
53:38 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It took, in fact, to took them another nine years to do so.
53:41 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was when things started to change in terms of the city having some hope with their baseball team, because most of our lives growing up.
53:49 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I mean, you had to put Kyle Sieger as the star of your team on all your posters on all your season tickets, everything on your commercials and it's like, well, this guy's not a superstar, he's a good player that should contribute to a winning team, but he's not a superstar, Robbie was that.
54:07 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if you were going to put Nellian, you'd have to put those other guys in.
54:13 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and we know A-Rod should be in.
54:15 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We've said it a million times.
54:17 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way,
54:19 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We continue to try, and we will continue to try.
54:22 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But if anyone out there somehow magically has a connection to A-Rod, can you let us know?
54:28 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would do anything to get this man on the podcast.
54:32 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love, love, love to talk to A-Rod, to sit out with A-Rod, even if it's remote.
54:39 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody has any sort of connection, please DM us, or email us.
54:43 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It is funny you say that, Lyle, because we were talking about this
54:49 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we check our podcast DMs that night, and guess who DM does?
54:55 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was A-Rod Corp. A-Rod Corp DM does.
54:57 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh shit.
54:59 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Were they listening in on our conversation?
55:01 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it wasn't Alex himself reaching out to us.
55:06 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But we did respond and say, love to have fun.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_00]: right, but we'll see where that goes.
55:12 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if it works out.
55:13 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if they get him to agree.
55:15 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Point being if anybody thinks they have any deeper connections in that.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, please let us know.
55:20 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be a listing to this and you run a rod corp, the a rod corp in ceramic count.
55:25 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get them on.
55:26 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:27 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it could be soon or it could be in a perfect scenario in person when he comes out for the 50 greatest, because despite what some of you are going to say, and I've gripes about he will absolutely be on the 50 greatest.
55:40 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, when TJ and I did our list, he is definitively in that top six.
55:44 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He will be on the list.
55:46 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So he will be here if I had to guess.
55:48 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing they're going to invite a lot of these guys back if I had to make a prediction.
55:52 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, in a perfect world, man, we just get to sit out with him in person.
55:55 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be the sickest thing of all time.
55:57 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's a little bit of a fantasy land, but I can dream it.
56:01 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not aim for the sky?
56:03 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:03 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I aim for the sky with Kyle Tucker.
56:05 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it would great.
56:06 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That way, he's a dodger.
56:08 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now we can go shift back to your dawn.
56:11 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and in this case, a rod for podcast purposes.
56:14 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Future Mariners Hall of Famer, your dawn, Alvarez.
56:17 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
56:18 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Put that on a quote card.
56:21 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we put four of those Quocard's out every episode.
56:24 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to lead with future Mariners Hall of Famer, Yord on Alvarez?
56:31 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
56:52 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, as always, you guys bring it with the mailbox.
56:55 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Good questions, very good questions.
56:57 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Love getting them from you guys and love getting to answer your guys' questions, too.
57:01 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have done this at the start of the episode, by the way, and maybe I'll plug it in another one.
57:05 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But I did want to throw out there because obviously when we get to interview these players that we have certain questions cooked up for them, and ideas we'll try to think of,
57:15 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But we should be asking this more often.
57:17 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's ideas or things that you guys want to hear us ask the players, tell us.
57:23 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You can send us a DM or leave us a comment because that's ultimately what we're trying to do with those interviews.
57:28 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They're supposed to be fun.
57:29 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They're supposed to be light-hearted, but they're supposed to bridge the gap between players and fans to humanize a bit.
57:34 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you guys have things, you want to have them answer.
57:39 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us, because we would love to know and we're always looking for ideas too.
57:44 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, send them away, if you got an idea, I'll say there's no bad ideas.
57:48 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We might not use all of them, but there's no bad ideas, so fire away.
57:52 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, with that, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Lyle.
58:30 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_00]: As always we thank you guys for tuning in, we'll talk to you soon.