Episode 46: Cal Raleigh Is Scorching The Second Half, Emerson Hancock Makes MLB Debut, And Felix Weekend Has A Special Guest

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number forty six of the Marine Layer Podcast. Emerson Hancock makes his major lad debut Cal Rowley scorching Hot in the Mariners lineup. We'll go down on the farm, our mob wrap around as well, we have a Russell Wilson Umpire of the Week, and we close out the show What's speak your mind. 00:00:18 Speaker 2: As always, here's your reminder before we start the show. If you're listening on the audio side of things, go over to YouTube, check us out on the video side, hit subscribe on YouTube, like comment, and turn the notification bells on that way, you know when we go live or post a clip or a video. If you're listening or watching on YouTube, head over to our audio platforms too, Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon, Go follow us, hit download, leave us that five star review. And then if you want to check us out on social media too, where we're always active, you can follow us on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube shorts at marine Layer Pod. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast network, recording here on Thursday, August tenth, and by my count Lyle. The Mariners are halfway to fourteen, Well halfway there from last year's fourteen game win streak. How about that? 00:01:26 Speaker 2: How far are they getting this year? Sixteen seventeen eighteen? They break in the A's twenty game win streak. 00:01:32 Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good one. Well wasn't the record twenty two? Now? 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Guardians broke it a few years ago, so twenty is not the record anymore. Are they getting past fourteen? No? 00:01:42 Speaker 1: Sorry, there probably not. 00:01:45 Speaker 2: It probably ends this weekend. The Orioles probably are not walking out of Seattle without a win. 00:01:50 Speaker 1: Orioles have the most wins in baseball against teams over five hundred. I'd like to shout out Twitter for that that statistic. Did not do my prep on that, just that came to me, and that's I really appreciate it when that happens. Makes my life a whole lot easier. Hey, but a reunion with Adam Fraser this weekend? Low are excited? 00:02:10 Speaker 2: What type of reaction do we think he gets? Do we think he gets some sort of round of applause? I'm not saying it's gonna be thunderous, but just something because of the hit he got in Toronto. 00:02:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be light, a light round of applause, like when he first comes up. It'll it'll be nice, it'll be polite, it'll be it'll be seattle played. It'll be passive aggressive. That's what it'll be. 00:02:31 Speaker 2: Right, Because his season as a whole, as we've talked about, was not good. However, he now holds one of the clutches moments in team history. So he did do something for this franchise that does warrant some movation. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: He did turn from having one of the most clutch moments in Mariner's history to having the most clutch season in Major League Baseball. It's funny how that correlation works. 00:02:50 Speaker 2: I still can't believe that's a real stat. I know, we talked about it a couple of shows ago. That's unreal because again, he's not having some otherworldly year this year. He's just been clutt. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: Is it also going to blow your mind when there are two King Felixes on the on the same field this weekend? 00:03:05 Speaker 2: Oh God, The Oriel social media team is the worst. Like, I get your own ideas, people. 00:03:12 Speaker 1: And I'm honestly glad that we're not usually ones to root for Houston to win. But maybe a little bit of poetic justice with Kyle Tucker this past week when he had a go ahead grand slam down three runs in the ninth nning off of Bautista. Nothing personally against Bautista. I don't even think he really knows or cares all that much about what the Oriel's social media team is putting out there. But I think Kyle Tucker did his due diligence of realizing, Hey, the real King Felix is going into the Mariners Hall of Fame this weekend. Why don't we put this rubbish to bed? Why not? 00:03:46 Speaker 2: I can't decide if that's more important than gaining ground on the Astros. Because Kyle Tucker hitting that grand slam puts Houston further ahead of Seattle, where the Astros loss today here on Thursday, So the Mariners did get half a game on you without playing. But I can't decide if social media triumph is worth gaining ground or not gaining ground in the wildcard. 00:04:10 Speaker 1: That's true, that did gain ground on Toronto, though, which is fine. They did one spot as all the Mariners need. They don't need multiple. They don't need to occupy multiple wildcard spots. They just need to occupy one at this moment. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. And for context for those of you who maybe are not on social media, the Orioles have started this whole campaign this year where they've started to call Felix Fatista their dynamite All Star closer, King Felix, as if that nickname has not already been well established across baseball. And for those who also don't remember, a Softy friend of the Pod a few weeks ago during All Star Week had some thoughts about it and he said something to Felix Fatista about it, which got some pushback on social media. That's up for debate how you feel about it. But to your point about how Felix Batista doesn't even really know that this thing's going on when Softie said that to him, I don't think Felix really had any idea. I think Batista was just kind of like, yeah, like whatever. 00:05:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, who's this dude yelling at me? 00:05:15 Speaker 2: It's like, what in the world is going on? I'm just trying to enjoy the All Star Game. 00:05:19 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't think Felix Bautista speaks that much English. I think he might speak a little bit English, but I think it's it's it's still rough around the edges for that part, so it really must have just been like, uh yeah, yeah, okay, thank you. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: What in the world is going on? 00:05:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, why is Softy yelling at me? Well maybe yeah, Well we'll have to add when we get Softy on again. Well, well we can go through some of his best moments from All Star Week, that being second to him asking show hey Otani whether he was signing here. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: Just straight up, for those of you who listen to that interview we did with Softy, he is exactly as advertised. He was the same on this podcast. He is on the radio every day as he is off the mic every day, and you saw it at All Star Week. 00:06:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get him on, but he's not going to be driving to Climate Pledgerina this time. He told us next time he comes on, he'll he'll sit down and we can actually have a good conversation. Not the last one wasn't good, but I think there's more to tap in there. It's funny, though we appreciate Softy for the personality he is. Let's get into our Mariner's storylines, Lyle. Let's start off with Emerson Hancock's debut, and I'm watching his start last night, and I'm thinking things along these lines in my head as I'm watching this. I think Emerson Hancock can be the reason this rotation gets to October healthy. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: If he steps in for the role that Brian Wu was filling while Wu's on the il, Absolutely the Mariner's strength as they're starting pitching. How many times have we said that this season? If Hancock just picks up right where Brian Wu left off, why not if the production doesn't dip and every but he stays healthy, he can do exactly that. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: Now, is this an absurd, absurd take on this part? It might be because I just thought of this in this moment, But the role that Emerson will probably fill this season might not be too different than a role that a peak Marco Gonzalez would fill in the Mariner's rotation. Right, like a lot of strikes cutters, soft contact, not a lot of strikeouts, good command, not great. Still did end up walking three guys yesterday, but overall, I mean, that's the kind of stuff profile he sort of has right now. When they drafted him, it was higher velocity, more strikeouts, But now it seems for Emerson Hancock more of a pitch to contact approach, and that's what we saw yesterday. 00:07:45 Speaker 2: When Hancock went six overall in twenty twenty, the belief was he had number one starter type upside that's come back down to earth a little bit now in the last couple of years, between some injuries, between decreased velocity, a couple of different things. But if he's Marco gonzaz Is four right now, that's perfect because what people like to forget about with Marco is that guy would go out and throw quality start after quality start after quality start and keep the team in games. He would get blown up from time to time. That's what happened to Emerson when he was in the miners. Every now and then he'd have a blow up start, but for the most part he was keeping teams in games. Now, long term, maybe Hancock gets his velocity back and his upside goes back up before right now in twenty twenty three, if he goes out and does anything similar to what he did in his debut five innings of one run ball, if he goes five innings of two run ball, you're keeping them in games and you can't ask for much more than that. 00:08:37 Speaker 1: What was particularly impressive that look at the stars he was facing last night. His first professional strikeout came against Fernando Tatis Junior, and he made him. He got on pitching Ninja with that too, which you know, that's a hat tip moment right there for Emerson. But another thing is the Padres. They hit finesse pitchers pretty well. You know the finesse label under Baseball Reference, it's guys who are in the bottom third of the league and combined walks and strikeouts and more just pitch to contact instead of going after strikeouts. And I think that's where Emerson qualifies right now. The Padres as a team at an eight hundred ops this season against finesse pitchers, and Emerson the finesse pitcher held them to two hits across five innings and only three of the fourteen balls that he allowed in play were over ninety five miles an hour. That's pretty impressive stuff against that name, the name after name after name in that lineup, despite the fact they've been disappointing this season. To keep them at bay. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: I will give Emerson some credit to He did mix in some swing and miss in a start last night. He got eleven whiffs eight were on that sinker. I'm not saying eleven is some gaudy number, but it wasn't like he generated no strikeouts. He still punched out three and we're getting some guys to swing and miss. So it was a nice balance of both for a guy that made his first start yesterday. Again, how much more can you take away? I think people question is is he gonna go out there and get blown up against the Padres lineup that is lethal and also, like to your point, hit slower throwing pitchers much better. He didn't do that. He was totally composed, and he kept the Mariners in the game. Then the team scored late. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to see some more of his mix of his two seamer and his four seam fastball, because, to be honest, shape wise, he's got he got from the scatting reports I was reading he's got a lot more run armside run on his four seam fastball now, which really leads it to look a lot more like his two seam fastball. And when I was going through his start last night and watching it back a little bit, it's a little bit harder to really pick apart which pitch is a two seamer, in which pitch is a four seamer, because if you look at Baseball Savant, Baseball Savant had him throwing fifty nine percent sinkers and only throwing one four seam fastball all game, which by some people who counted otherwise said that was definitely not correct on that aspect. So I'm curious to see what his ideal balance of that is. And there is some more optimism as well that his four seamer actually does generate some more whiffs and be a primary wif pitch of his, So I think that's kind of interesting. But overall, I did like the mix in terms of a ground ball pitcher getting some getting some soft contact, and letting his defense do the work. So I got to say, good job for Emerson. Hancock. Also threw his cutter quite a bit, which is a bit of a softer pitch, also, again not for swinging mispurposes, but for soft contact purposes, and right now, that is really the the I don't even know the right terminology the attribute of where of Emerson Hancock is right now a few change ups as well, but I guess that's kind of it. 00:11:50 Speaker 2: He's pitching for his job right now in the big leagues. Jerry Depoto said this week, when Brian Wu gets back and healthy and if everybody is still pitching well, they plan to go to a six man rotation. They had talked about that a little bit in the past to try to manage some innings between Brian Wu, between Bryce Miller, help Emerson out to again, he is throwing a lot innings this year already if you combine his numbers from the miners. So if he continues to pitch like this, he's going to stay in the rotation and they're going to go to six guys for the time being. But the key there is to Poto said, if everyone is pitching well. So if Emerson prus he's a big league pitcher, he'll stick around and I hope he does. 00:12:27 Speaker 1: Initial readings on stuff plus from Emerson started was an overall eighty seven. His sinker clocked in at an eighty two. His cutter at a one oh seven is changed up at an eighty, his slider is at a ninety one, is fastball AF four sing fastball at a ninety two. That sounds about. 00:12:43 Speaker 2: Right one hundredth league average. So for everybody that just heard those numbers, that is below league average, So his stuff has not been overpowering. Again, he is not possessing the same stuff right now that they believed he once had when he was drafted in twenty twenty. It's come down a little bit. Maybe it comes back up one day, but right now he is more like that Marco Gonzalez type, except he's right handed and a little bit bigger and a little bit more athletic. By the way, Yeah, just see that play he made go in to first base. I mean, this dude's an athlete. 00:13:12 Speaker 1: I look at that and I say, that's only a player rookie would make. Because do you think you think Robbie Raised diving for that ball? 00:13:20 Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's not. 00:13:21 Speaker 1: And that's no offense to Robbie. But pitchers know it's a long season and they can just let their second basement get that ball instead of them. It's not their responsibility. But Emerson saved the base hit on that, so props to him. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: He did, and he showed his athleticism. I mean, if you go back and listen to that interview we did with brad Adam, Brad was saying, oh, Emerson, Hancock's a really good golfers, so doesn't surprise me. He made a play like that. I think just in general, he's a good athlete and also can pitch really well, which is pretty exciting. Now, I do want to touch on Brian Wu here a little bit, which is the reason Emerson Hancock was called up, because they put Brian wu on the fifteen day il. They called it for armen forearm inflammation. There we go. So he's gonna miss his next two starts. So this is a phantom injury, right it is. 00:14:08 Speaker 1: Jerry did spin it on Seattle Sports today that it wasn't a phantom injury. I have a really hard time thinking that it's not a phantom injury. He might be a little bit sore that part could be correct, sore enough that he actually can't pitch. Hmm, yeah, I think he's He's getting a bit of a rest. This is by far the most he's pitched in a major league season, and then when he comes back, he's gonna get more rest between starch which will not only help him, but as we touched on in Wednesday's episode, will help Bryce Miller as well. Get this group into September and in position for a playoff spot against a soft schedule. So yeah, I think it's I think it's fake, and I think he's gonna enjoy his time off. Maybe he'll go hit the links a little bit. 00:14:54 Speaker 2: Here's why I was not sold that it was a real injury. First off, you didn't see him get injured anywhere during that last start in Anaheim. The last image we saw of Brian Wu was him screaming and waving his hands all around in that video after the Cad Marlow Grand Slam. You know where he screamed, let's go show. Hey we have Cad Marlow and he's waving his hands all around and he's all fired up. I'm just sitting there thinking to myself, Okay, where did he get hurt there? I don't think he's injured now. It could have happened after in a throwing session or something. But then when they they said so, when they talked about it in the press conference about it in the media session afterward, they said, well, he probably could have made or no. They didn't say he probably could have made his next start. They said Brian still wanted to make his next start and felt like he could have, but we said no. And they also said it's nothing too serious. It should be the minimum time. Maybe there's a little something there, But to me, the fact they were saying, oh, he thinks he could have made his next start as me saying, well, this might be their way of shutting him down, managing his innings without actually having to send him, having to send him down to the minors and derail his confidence while also figuring out a solution for the time being. 00:16:05 Speaker 1: It's not even derailing his confidence. It's just not wasting an option. I think that's all it is. It's finding an excuse to to give him a week plus off and then come back and then get some more rest built into the rotation as well. But now I think of this in the other way. Now you're gonna have George Kirby and Logan Gilbert and Luis Castillo pitching less often. So that's the balance you're gonna have to play here with August. You can do that with a softer schedule, but gotta that it does lead to be you do need to lead to be more careful with that. I would say that wasn't great English, but I'm never good within the English language anyways, so we'll take that as it is. Just I do think that's interesting though, can we put some context though here lyle now that Emerson has made his debut and for the most part looked like a big leaguer in his first start with five innings of one run ball. Over the span of four drafts, the Mariners drafted, developed, and now have debuted an entire major league starting rotation at once. Isn't that incredible? 00:17:07 Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert twenty eighteen, George Kirby twenty nineteen, Emerson Hancock twenty twenty. Those three were all first rounders. Then you get Bryce Miller in the fourth round of twenty twenty one. You have Brian will in the sixth round of twenty twenty one, and here they all are in the big leagues thriving. Oh, by the way, you also traded for an extended Luis Castillo. You also signed Robbie Ray. This is a ridiculous rotation. I don't think anybody set up for the future in terms of their starting pitching as well as the Mariners are. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: I will give a little props over to the Cleveland Guardians. Actually they're like, they might not be at the same quantity as the Mariners, but I was trying to just find any comparisons. Are there any comparisons in Major League Baseball to compare this rotation too, and the Guardians here's the list. I mean with Shane Bieber, he is hurt, Logan Allen is having a eight rookie season, so is Tanner Bibbi, and so is Gavin Williams. So they've developed, you know, a pretty pretty good starting rotation. And they had Sabali who they just traded away as well, so like I would say that, and then Dodgers as well, what's up? 00:18:14 Speaker 2: And then Tristan McKenzie and Tristan. 00:18:15 Speaker 1: McKenzie, Yeah, I forgot about him too, so like they're doing pretty well. And then the Dodgers, if you think about it, I mean back in the day, they did indeed develop Clayton Kershaw, along with their current set of starters like Bobby Miller, Michael Grove, Julio Urias, Tony Gonsolin, Walker, Bueller, and Dustin May. So there are teams that do it, but it is it is very few and far between. So we've essentially now named three of thirty teams in Major League Baseball that actually have the capacity to pull this off. And it's pretty cool to say the Murders are one of those three teams. 00:18:48 Speaker 2: It's incredible and I can't wait to see what these guys continue to do moving forward. 00:18:55 Speaker 3: This fall, stream your favorites and discover more with Disney Plus, Hulu and ESPN Plus together. Watch the highly anticipated new season of Loki and see the ghost materialize in Haunted Mansion on Disney Plus. Catch more frights with the Boogeyman, an American horror story delegate, on Hulu and on ESPN Plus. 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If you look at his overall slash line for the season, it's good, But if you look at it since July first, the dude is slugging five seventy one with a one fifty three WRC plus on top of walking thirteen and a half percent of the time. I mean, cal Raley came into this season and we're talking expectations, and we're we're talking about, man, can cal Raley be an All Star catcher? Can he hit two sixty and hit thirty bombs again? Can cal Raley do all of this great stuff from both sides of the plate. And he comes out a little slow and we're a little disappointed, I would say. But now since the calendar has turned to July and onward, and cal Rally's been a real catalyst in this offense and turning it around here in the second half and contributing to the team winning twenty four of thirty four games. 00:21:50 Speaker 2: You can even narrow the lens a little bit closer if you look at what cal has done since the All Star break ninety nine ops, eight bombs, one sixty one WRC plus and he's now up to nearly a three war season. This guy thrives on the second half. I mean, you look at what he did last year. It was a similar story. He got hot in the second half last year, team wrote it with him. He put up a one to twenty six WRC plus total for the second half last year, where this year first month won sixty one. So, just to put it in perspective, for as good as cal was in the second half last year, he's on another planet right now with what he's doing. This is ridiculous and he is anchoring this offense. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: And it really all comes down to cal Raley slugging. I mean that's what it is. If he's not slugging, then it's not who he is. But as you've noticed, when he's gotten hot here in the second half, he is all of a sudden started crushing balls along with playing his solid defense. Where we now look and he is second in the team in F four behind Julio, right where he was last year. 00:22:55 Speaker 2: It's amazing what one month can do. Because he did start slow. His first half is the whole was pretty hell hum. He put up a ninety seven WRC plus, so he's three percent below league average for the entire first half the year. Fast forward to now, it's the different ballgame. Even look at the league ranks. Mariners catchers are second in baseball and WRC plus, they're only behind the Braves, featuring the best catcher in baseball and Sean Murphy. One month has made an entire difference in turning Cal season around. 00:23:23 Speaker 1: And if you look at rates at the plate, career high in walk rate ten and a half percent, strikeout rate is twenty seven and a half percent, which is down two percent from last season. A guy who struck out a bunch of the miners, he's struck out more last year, but he now cut that down well, keeping most of his power. Now. He's not quite at the power numbers he was at last year, but there's still a lot of time left for him to catch up and get to that twenty seven home run mark he was at last year. And his slugging percentage I think overall is down about fifty points this year, but he has time to catch it up still with the numbers that he's doing, so it's it's very intriguing, and I mean, what a compliment to have Tom Murphy and Cal rawly hot at the same time and you feel, no matter who or both that you put in the lineup, that you're getting production out of them, and that your catchers are some of your best hitters in the lineup. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: They've got to find a way to bring Tom Murphy back next year. But that's a side note. While you mentioned cal slugging numbers being down, his on base is actually up. It's up nearly thirty points from where it was last year. So he's taken a little bit dip, a little bit of a dip in the power numbers, although it may come back up. The fact that he's getting on base more is a very very positive side. 00:24:34 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And I gotta say that swing he had yesterday, who what a swing? 00:24:42 Speaker 2: I have a question for you. How often do baseballs go four hundred and fifty feet right down the line? I swear it's almost never. 00:24:51 Speaker 1: It is never. That would be a good baseball smont question, his shit asked me before we recorded. We could have looked. We'll look after the episode. I think that's I think that's something to look at, but it doesn't really happen. I mean, those four hundred and fifty foot home runs go into the power allies and go out to centerfield. They are not deadpole. That's why we've almost never seen anyone hit one to the top deck at Team Mobile Park and right field because the ball doesn't go that far when you pull it. It's just the nature of your swing and where your power is at and your swing. It's usually more powerful going up the middle than it is going dead pull. But it didn't really seem to matter to cal Rawley. And at a thirty seven degree launch angle. 00:25:28 Speaker 2: Two, it's ridiculous. Yeah, that ball Moonscraper. Oh. I was absolutely sent into orbit. And again the fact that went right down the right field line too, just made it that much more majestic. I know everybody's talking about it on Twitter, by the way, but have we seen that swing somewhere before? Maybe just maybe. 00:25:46 Speaker 1: Yes we have. Yes, the moment might not have been as cool. And that the batflip, it was good, but not quite as good as the clincher. I thought the clincher batflip was about as perfect as it got, But the reaction on the mound I think made up for it. I forget who the Padres pitcher was, I mean looked up, saw the baseball and screamed fuck at the top of his lungs while walking back away from away from where the ball was going towards towards the h towards the away dugout, so. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: They sunk him up with Aaron Savali because earlier in the year or not Aaron Savali was Zach plea Sak. We were talking about that. Oh yeah, see Steven Wilson who was the reliever that gave it up to Cal He got sunk up next to Zach Peleisak from earlier in the year. Both of them giving up home runs a team all the park and both of them just punching the ground as they give it up. I thought that was hilarious. 00:26:40 Speaker 1: That is good. Maybe we can get a trifecta. Someone spiking their glove like Erod did in the in the eighteen World Series. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: Could it be Cole Irvan this weekend? 00:26:48 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh dog, you got it. You just triggered the thought in my head. I was telling Lyle before we were going to start recording, all right, I have something I want to lead off with, but I don't remember what it is. Oh what a magical census is this weekend? We have to talk about this because I wanted to talk about it at the start. We haven't gotten to do it yet. I mean, how perfect is it that on Felix's induction weekend, that Cole Irvin is gonna start on the other side. Oh my goodness. I thought we were saying goodbye forever when we did our segment before the season started when he got traded. But no, he is coming back home for one of the biggest nights in Mariner's franchise history. Congrats Cole. Let's go. 00:27:30 Speaker 2: Oh god, I cannot wait. This guy's absolutely getting lit up on Saturday. Like the Mariners probably won't win all three games of this series, they're winning Saturday, or at the very least they're lighting up Cole Irvin. 00:27:41 Speaker 1: They have to. Wow. I mean, it could not be more perfect. Do you think. I'm sure everyone in the clubhouse knows that too. There's just no way they don't. 00:27:49 Speaker 2: Yeah. Two years ago, when Tom Murphy did one of his interviews after they beat the A's for the million time, somebody asked him about Cole Irvin and he threw it. It's in the phrase team like that in the postgame interviews. So yeah, these guys know what's going on. They're gonna know who's pitching again. As a reference for those who maybe don't know the backstory here, two years ago, Cole Irvin had a bad start against the Mariners early in the year of twenty twenty one. In a press conference, he was pissed off about the outing and he said, regarding the Mariners offense, a team like that should not put up ten hits against me or against anybody for that matter. Now, naturally, that quote made its way through social media and got all the way back to the Mariners clubhouse. All I will say is, please go on Baseball Reference and look up Cole Irban's numbers against the Mariners every start since then in twenty twenty one, because I have never seen a self owned to this level, Like it's almost unfathomable at this point, how atrocious he's been against Seattle. 00:28:53 Speaker 1: Do you have them written down? Because I think I know it off the top of my head. 00:28:57 Speaker 2: I don't know the actual line by line from his starts off the time my head, but I remember in twenty twenty one he finished the season with the highest career season ERA against the Mariners in one single year for any pitcher that made a minimum five starts. 00:29:12 Speaker 1: I think it was against any team ever. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: I thought it was just against the Mariners. But point being dude, dra against the Mariners in twenty twenty one was nearly or no, sorry, not nearly, it was over seven. And then last year he made one start against him and got blown up. 00:29:27 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna guess at the top of my head, I believe his career against the Mariners he's zero to seven with an eight five era. I think I think that's what it is. I don't think I'm too far off. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: Again, I've never seen a self own like this ever, Like it's it's something you'd write in a fairy tale. Now we'll see if changing teams affects this or not. I certainly hope not. 00:29:49 Speaker 1: I cannot wait for Saturday. I mean, the ceremony is gonna be nice, but I think the ceremony honestly might be second fiddle to me for what will happen during the game. 00:29:59 Speaker 2: Man, like this, this bit has to last forever. Now, That's why I'm rooting so hard for it, because if we like, if the Mariner's light up col Irvan again, that is another year of walking, of walking in the sunshine that Mariners fans get regarding digging cole Irvan's grave for him. 00:30:15 Speaker 1: And the thing is he doesn't get to just shake it off and go back out there like he was with the A's, were he could go out and have a good start against the Ms. I don't know in September when they play again, But the Oriols and the Mariners play six times a year, and he might only get one shot out of a year. And if he now in the al least gets lit up once a year by the Mariners. I mean, he's gonna have to sit on that for an entire year before he gets a chance to redeem himself. 00:30:41 Speaker 2: He is, he is the best. He's gonna have to somebody's gonna write a story book about him one day. It's a Mariner storybook. 00:30:49 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a crucial part of the early twenty twenties Mariners history book. I mean it is going to be Nemesis number one. Cole Irvin. 00:31:00 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. I can't wait. I cannot wait for Saturday. 00:31:03 Speaker 1: Ugh, this should be good. Okay, lyle uh anything else here before we uh before we move on. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: Stay hot, cal Riley, keep it going, big dumper. That's all I can say. Because when he's hot, as we saw in the second half last year and now in the second half this year, when he's hot, the team's hot. 00:31:20 Speaker 1: Coleer Irvin did distract me from my last point. I will just throw this in here before we move on to UH and go down on the farm. Let's just like contextualize this lineup now since July first, I mean, cal Raley's been crushing it. But here's the team numbers since July first. JB. Crawford has a one seventy seven WRC plus, Julio a one forty three WRC plus, Gino one thirty one. Mike Ford, even though he's really really struggled recently, has a one thirty two WRC plus, and Tom Murphy has a one eighty two WRC plus. And I'm like and I'm thinking, like, wow, it's almost like when you can consistently score runs with a majority of your line up and you continue to have good pitching, you can reel off twenty four wins in thirty four games. What a concept. And you won't have to stay at five hundred. 00:32:08 Speaker 2: Even Ty Franz, if you look at ties last three weeks or so, he's around that one twenty range. So everybody's starting to pick it up a little bit. You didn't even throw Dylan Moore in there. Dylan Moore in the last two weeks has been great. Everyone's on purpose purse. Well, I purposely threw him in there. That's my guy. 00:32:23 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I was trying to see I was trying to keep you on your toes. 00:32:27 Speaker 2: Here we go, you always do I do? 00:32:30 Speaker 1: Yes? All right, let's go down on the farm. Well, who are you looking at this week? 00:32:38 Speaker 2: Here's a new name for everybody. But it's time to talk about him. Luis sweet Spell, twenty year old down in Earth, sorry, not ever, down in Modesto right now. He just got called up. Oh my god, this guy's just torching the baseball. So. He had spent most of the season in the Arizona Complex League. He hit two ninety one six bombs, ten forty four ops, one fifty nine WRC plus in the Complex League as a twenty year old. He gets called up to Everett this week. I keep saying, Everett gets called up to Medesta this week to low A. And it's five games there so far, four hundred average, three pumps, thirteen to fifty ops, two forty two WRC plus in his first five games. It's time for Mariners fans to start circling this guy and checking his line every night because he's crushing it. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought him up because I had never heard of him either. 00:33:29 Speaker 2: Oh well, I've started to see him all across Mariner's Twitter in the last few weeks because he's just absolutely on fire. 00:33:36 Speaker 1: I have Hogan Windish on my end. Shout out to Hogan appeared on our social media channels this week. Go check it out. Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, you can go find him there. But Hogan, he's been hitting pretty well as well since that's August first. Since August first, he's been hitting three twenty one and that was before yesterday. Had a really good day yesterday, hit two home runs, two home runs down in Eugene yesterday, total of three home runs over that stretch, along with three doubles. I mean, he's not a top thirty Mariners prospect, but he was out of UNC Greensboro last season and overall in the season as an eight to sixteen o PS in High A. But he's really been heating up here over the latter stretches of the season. And you know, half shout out for performance, half shout out for appearing on our social channels, So thank you, Hogan. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really cool. Shout out to Hogan Windish. People compared him when he was drafted to ty France in the sense of can just flat out hit, But he's gonna have to find a position and where he plays long term in the infield is TVD. But if he hits, he'll keep moving his way up. And he's done exactly that both in Modesto last year and now in Everett this year. So shout out Hogan Windish. 00:34:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be gonna be something, uh to keep track of. So good job, Hogan. 00:34:48 Speaker 2: Let's get to our MLB wrap around here. First story, and I think it's the most pressing one we've got to talk about. This Kevin Brown thing, Orioles, broadcaster for Masson, is currently serving a suspension for what exactly, for reading a graphic that was put up by an entire production team that was nothing but facts. 00:35:17 Speaker 1: Shall we hear it? Yeah, play it, let's hear it. Okay, So this is the segment that was noted awful. Announcing I think was the first to report this in the first to dig up the clip of what specifically Kevin Brown was suspended for. So here it is for the Orioles. 00:35:33 Speaker 4: Brandon hed has felt like this has been maybe the toughest ballpark to play in. But the Orioles have a chance to do something special today. They've already clinched at least as split in the series, winning two of the first three, and they could pick up a series win behind Tyler Wells today. 00:35:50 Speaker 1: It's been a minute. 00:35:51 Speaker 4: The Orioles split a two gamer with the Rays in June. They had lost their last fifteen series here at Trump mccattafield. You have to go back to when we are now colleague. Bratt Brock picked up the win in the series finally June twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, the last time the Orioles won. 00:36:08 Speaker 1: A series here in Saint Pete. 00:36:11 Speaker 4: Already got three and two of the chop this year, after winning three of eighteen the previous three years. 00:36:17 Speaker 1: Come by. 00:36:18 Speaker 4: It is a stark difference, Ben, and it is not a bad race team. 00:36:21 Speaker 1: It's not like all of. 00:36:22 Speaker 4: A sudden the race became slouches in the American Leaguees. They've led this division every day. But now two and the Orioles once again our back alone in first place. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm sitting here watching this clip for the first time. I'm waiting for something vulgar, something over the line, something absurd that would require someone to be suspended. I'm gonna be honest. Well, I didn't hear anything. 00:36:53 Speaker 2: You didn't, I didn't, fans didn't, Kevin Brown didn't, nobody did. There was nothing he said in there that aren't in any type of repercussions. I mean, this was absolutely ridiculous. If anything, Kevin Brown was saying, Hey, look how far the Orioles have come now playing in Tampa. They're playing well in Tampa this year. They didn't used to. Now they are. He was simply the messenger, doing his job and reading what was up on that graphic. He did exactly what his entire production team told him to do, and John Angelo's, the incredibly soft, miserable owner of the Baltimore Orioles, took offense to it. 00:37:33 Speaker 1: I thought Michael Kay put it perfectly. Michael Kay, of course, is our second favorite host of The Michael k Show on ESPN New York. But anyways, Michael Kay on his show put it perfectly. He said, since they have that graphic during the pregame, if you realize he was reading off a graphic and a pregame open. So he says, okay, so if that's the case, then you're actually going to suspend Kevin Brown for this. You should suspend the director, you should suspend the producer, you should suspend the graphics person, and you should suspend the pr staff who put that in the game notes, because they're all responsible for giving that information to Kevin and having him read it off a teleprompter. But that didn't happen. And the other thing he said was right along the line of what you said, And I thought this was perfect, he says. It makes the Orioles look small, insignificant and minor league for something that he was not even being critical of, merely just reading facts off a piece of paper, and he ended up getting suspended for it. Now, quick history lesson for those who forgot, this isn't the first time the Orioles have had a tussle with a young, up and coming great announcer. I totally forgot about this, and I'm glad this story was brought up to me over the course of this week while this whole saga is going on. But I forgot that John Miller, the legendary voice of the Giants, and one of the best baseball broadcasters of all time was the Orioles television play by play announcer. And you know why his contract was not renewed because Peter Angelos, the father of John Angelo's, thought that his play by play was too critical and they let him go off to San Francisco. And now he is widely regarded as one of the best of all time. You hope this isn't the case for Kevin, and Kevin wants to stay in Baltimore, doesn't leave. But I gotta say, how how do you go back to work like this knowing that merely noting the fact the Orioles lose a baseball game or lose multiple baseball games, could bring you another suspension. 00:39:34 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll finish out the rest of the season once he gets off the suspension, whenever that is. But I certainly would not be shocked at this point if he moves on to another team or another endeavor. Maybe it's a better endeavor. It's probably a promotion for him at this point if he leaves, because, like you said, how could you want to work under the lenses of somebody like that. That's just absolutely absurd. You know what, the craziest part about this is Twitter is always split, right, There's always somebody that has the other opinion. There's always somebody that wants to fight back. I don't know about you. I did not find one single person over the last few days that somehow spun this too. Yeah, he actually deserved to get suspended. I'm serious, Like all the comments everything, I did not see one person say Kevin Brown did something wrong. 00:40:22 Speaker 1: Well, I think Elon might might have thought he should have. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: Oh great, Elon, awesome. 00:40:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you and I are both do play by play. We both know how this works. Could you do that knowing you can't acknowledge some of those things? Oh, by the way, another I'll re reiterate that question. But another note that the Orioles hate, that John Angelos hates is that any ex player that left the ball club you were not allowed to mention at all. You can't mention them in a progress. That's that's a thing, that actually is a thing, And I'm thinking about that. So, with what he got suspend for and that rule, I just noted, could you do your job? 00:41:04 Speaker 2: Well, what are you supposed to do? 00:41:06 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:41:07 Speaker 2: Here comes Manny Machado. Oh, I'm fired like that. 00:41:12 Speaker 1: It might be Manny Machado if he wasn't playing against you. I think that sounds more right mentioning, Oh, remember when Manny Machada is an Oriole and left. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: Because John Angelo's wouldn't pay him. 00:41:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, well obviously that doesn't compute. And the other thing, the other thing that I thought was funny. The Athletic wrote an article on this, and I thought it was perfect where they're like, okay, it gives off the indication that the Orioles are cheap. That graphic. The way it was framed is like, yeah, the Angelo's family thought that framed them as being cheap. And the very next line in the article was the Orioles are currently twenty ninth in baseball in payroll. It's like, yeah, guys, it does make you look cheap because we can read a spreadsheet. 00:41:56 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. For all fans out there. I know everybody has their their issues with John Stanton, this has honestly opened my eyes a little bit to say, oh, it could be way worse. I think I think when we had Bobby Wagner on he put it perfectly. Mariner's ownership in terms of baseball is probably somewhere in the middle. Everybody has gripes with their own team's ownership, everybody. I mean, people have issues with the Steinbrunners. Now they don't Yankees fans don't think they're spending enough money. But I think in reality the Mariners are somewhere right in that middle tier because they do not have people like the Angelosa's try to yank broadcasters off the air and also are twenty ninth in payroll. 00:42:37 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, and yeah, I don't have any words left to me. It's it's crazy. You don't You don't think that here and now that these these things still happen, that people are still so shallow and so sensitive and to things that are factual and put out your own team. But it is what it is at this point. Okay, let's get to our next storyline here in the wrap round one that was now in a bit of a lighter and more funny note. How about that brawl this weekend. 00:43:08 Speaker 2: Holy shit, that was the first real bral we've seen in forever, maybe since rudenet Odor Jose Batista. That was a real punch that was landed. 00:43:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a real punch. That was landing, and I can't remember the last time we saw baseball players square up, like actually square up. It's incredible. I have the call ready for it. Oh, here we go. This is one of the greatest baseball calls in history. 00:43:35 Speaker 4: Hey, the diving van down the right, feel line kicks into the corner. 00:43:39 Speaker 1: Rimeriz On sueit a second pet first. 00:43:42 Speaker 4: Slide say fed in the score is humans and another household double right over the bag at first. Now Holsey and Anderson's square off. 00:43:55 Speaker 1: They're fighting, They're swinging. 00:43:57 Speaker 4: Down, Goesanderson, down, Jo Anderson. 00:44:02 Speaker 1: I think it was perfect that it was Tom Hamilton to do that, because he, honestly, he has the energy level to really articulate a fight like that. No offense to Rick Riz, But I don't know if Rick Riz is in full throat gonna yell down Goes Anderson, if Cabi Eiro swung on him. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: I've loved listening to Tom Hamilton for a long time now. Phenomenal broadcaster, great at describing plays and just descriptions in general, as you saw from the call of that fight, and he's also got all this energy. Amazing call. Yeah, this was crazy. I mean the fact Jose Ramirez actually landed a right hook and knocked Tim Anderson down. You never see that in baseball. We've gotten so used to the benches clearing. Everybody kind of stands around. The bullpens make their way into the infield, they kind of stand around. It's like, Oh, let's shake hands, guys and go back to our ways, go back to our business, let's keep playing. No, this was a real punch and fight that occurred in Cleveland. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: It was a hockey fight. Yeah, that's what really dropped the gloves. Literally, they dropped the gloves and fought. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Which is funny because Holy Ramirez is not known for stuff like this. He is pretty low key and mild mannered. He's really good, but he's not one to cause drama. This was so unique for him to start something like this or to be involved with something like this. Now, I'm gonna guess words were said after he slid into second base. I think Tim Anderson had an issue. Either Tim Anderson had an issue with the way Ramirez slid into second or Jay ram had issues with the way that Tim Anderson was covering the second base bag. I think words got exchange, which is what led to the fight, but somebody had an issue one way or another, which again does not really like Jose Ramirez to be in something like that. 00:45:44 Speaker 1: I think it was the latter. I think it was I think Jay ram was the one who had the issue. But I thought this was very on brand for some of the White Sox rumors that had come out this week. And we have to go into this because you and I have been in the anti Tony Larusk, but for the moment, he stepped back into the baseball world. Now, obviously he's retired, quote unquote retired, but it looks like some of the culture he instigated, he input it into the White Sox clubhouse and baseball culture is is really it's really something I don't even know where do we start. I mean, there are apparently rookies that sleep in the bullpen during games, and apparently every meeting that the White Sox hold is has no repercussions if you skip it. Pitchers skip PfP practice, players skip hitting meetings, they skip pitching meetings, they skip treatment. They do all these things and there's no punishment on the other side. And there's another good story before I let you comment. You saw this, YASMANI Grandal story right. 00:46:51 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you're burying the headline here, but. 00:46:53 Speaker 1: Here we yeah, yeah, yeah, so YASMANI Grandal wasn't in the lineup the day before the All Star break? Was this this season? I think it was this season? 00:47:02 Speaker 2: Right, it might have been last. It was either this season or last. 00:47:04 Speaker 1: Okay, but he wasn't in the lineup the last day before the All Star break. Wanted to just leave early. Made it very clear, paraphrasing Tim Anderson said, quote, fuck him, if he doesn't want to be here, I'll pay for his flight. Grandal heard that. He said that, walked over to Tim Anderson in the hot tub and slapped him across the face. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: And then you have Grendal saying this story isn't true. So who do we believe here? Truthfully, I don't know. 00:47:34 Speaker 1: I don't know. Keenan Middleton was not shy in telling Yankees reporters what the culture was like in Chicago. It honestly doesn't shock me. They are a dysfunctional organization, they have a dysfunctional owner. They are just mediocre forever. And they hired Tony Larussu, which everyone could tell he was done. But except for Jerry Reinsdorf and hired him. And they were just a mediocre bunch with all that talent, so something would have to make sense there. 00:48:07 Speaker 2: Keenan Middleton Mariner's legend did not hold back. 00:48:10 Speaker 1: No, I did not. 00:48:11 Speaker 2: And then you had Lancelnn when he got to the Dodgers get asked about Keenan's comments and he said, oh, yeah, he's not wrong. So people are just throwing this franchise under the bus. And speaking of the White Sox being a bad organization. By the way, fuck that stadium, literally guaranteed rate Field is the worst. While we're on the topic of the White Sox, they have this ridiculous policy. I've been to that stadium once. I know you have two where if you buy an upper level ticket, which I did when I went there, I figured out, I'll just buy a cheap ticket, we'll walk around and see the stadium. They do not let you on to the first floor concourse, not like ushers stop you from walking down the aisle. It's not like they don't let you sit there. No, they don't let you go down there. You can't even walk around the main concourse. If you buy a ticket on the third level. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in a baseball stadium, and I've never seen it anywhere else. 00:48:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was might have been the stupidest policy of all time. You cannot buy a hot dog in the lower level. You have to go upstairs to do that. Antiquated, very antiquated. And yeah, I think I'll just leave it at that for now. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: But and their food sucks, by the way, Like this food at that stadium is not good. 00:49:19 Speaker 1: So you and I have both been to now guaranteed right field in Wrigley, and I could not think the environments for baseball could not be any farther apart. 00:49:29 Speaker 2: Are we going to talk about before we wrap this up too, that after this fight between Jose Ramirez and Tim Anderson, that Tim Anderson just started tweeting NonStop. Basically, it's as if it was as if he was trying to tweet through the pain. I mean, you look at this guy's Twitter the last few days. He's just ripping off tweets left and right. It's things that don't even make any sense. It's these classic wide receiver quotes. 00:49:49 Speaker 1: It's about to say that, Yeah, that's what it is, is tweeting through it. I think he's tweeting so much now because people went and dug up his tweets from ten years years ago saying something about going to sleep, and people just started retweeting it. So as soon as he got back to the clubhouse, he started deleting all those tweets. 00:50:10 Speaker 2: What a week of baseball news and we haven't even gotten to the third storyline, which in terms of on baseball field production, might be the best one of them all. So let's get to that here. Michael Lorenza and now member of the Philadelphia Phillies. There was a no hitter this week? 00:50:25 Speaker 1: Did you see one of these? This stat that's literally only what happened in baseball stat So credit to high Heat Stats on Twitter for finding this. There are four players that have graduated from Fullerton Union High School in Fullerton, California and gotten made the big leagues and made made the big leagues in Major League Baseball. So four players from Fullerton Union to high school that made it to the big leagues playing baseball. All four of them are pitchers, and now all four of them have thrown a no hitter, all four of them. They look at this list, Steve Busby, Michael Lorenzen, Mike Warren and wait for it, Walter Johnson. 00:51:13 Speaker 2: Is it bad that I only know two of those guys? I only know the big train in Walter Johnson and then Michael Lorenzon. I don't know the other two. 00:51:18 Speaker 1: I think I've heard of Buzzby before, but not Mike Warren. No, okay, And you know, Mike Warren is a career era of five. Buzzby is a career three seven to two guy. Okay, seventeen fifty four career record. You know, big wins and lost this guy, of course, But it like it is what it is. 00:51:37 Speaker 2: That's that's pretty wild. I mean, we talked about this Lorenzen trade when it happened. We said he was an All Star this year. He's having a career year. Phillies tried to strengthen their rotation. They've done that. Now look at the Phillies. Not only does Michael Lorenzen go out and start pitching like this and spins a no hitter, Phillies are sitting in that first wild card spot, and now they're set up to probably make the playoffs again with an even better rotation. 00:51:59 Speaker 1: And they really got a It seems like now for how Lorenzo is pitching a pretty good bargain on him. He's throwing eight innings and now nine nine inning no hitter in a Phillies' uniform, and over his last six starts he has a one to one one ERA across forty and two thirds innings. That's that's pretty good for just giving up a struggling twenty something minor leaguer to get him for a rental, it's that's pretty good. And for Michael Lorenzen, for guy who's had a bit of an up and down career, he could cash in if he keeps pitching this well down the stretch. Teams love overpaying for rental players who have who have a good three month stretched and. 00:52:33 Speaker 2: The season always and we saw what the Phillies did last year. Even if they're not the best team on paper entering the postseason, we've seen that offense, if they get hot, it's hard to stop them. And now if they have a better rotation, who knows. 00:52:46 Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Lorenzen keeps pitching this way and you're all in October with a with a Wheeler Nola Lorenzen trio that does thinks. 00:52:55 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. It'll be something. It'll be something to keep an eye on. You know what else we should keep an eye on? Or Russell Wilson Umpire the Week. Let's circle right back and tie us into our MLB wrap around because the two intertwined. TJ. You sent me a Texas week saying this has to be our umpire this week, so let me tee you up for it. 00:53:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be. We've helped. We've highlighted Malachi more before in a negative sense, but now our Russ Wilson Umpire of the Week this week is actually in a positive sense because Malachi Moore was the umpire standing between Tim Anderson and Jose Ramirez and essentially, while watching those two bark at at each other, he himself decided I'm not doing this and gave us the best moment that we could have ever asked for. Of them getting knocked of Tim Anderson getting knocked out. He allowed this to happen. You know, umpire umpire acting or umpire I don't even I don't even know the right terminology. Like what umpires usually do is that they're gonna kill all the fun in a given moment. Well, Malachai Moore He let the fun happen. He let the players spill out, he let punches be thrown, and then he let the teams come police themselves. While standing back and watching one of the greatest moments of this twenty twenty three season. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: He served as hockey rap in a sense. He said, you guys want to fight, I'm stepping back. Don't let me be a part of this. You guys do whatever the hell you want to do. He just stepped right back and said, square at it, fellas, I. 00:54:30 Speaker 1: Will step in when someone hits the floor, which they did. 00:54:34 Speaker 2: It's exactly what a hockey referee would do when it gets too extreme. They step in until then they say, go right ahead, be my guest. So shout out to Malachi Moore. 00:54:44 Speaker 1: He understood the assignment. So it's good. That's good. I'm glad that happened. It would have been really easy to ruin that moment. It really would have been, but he didn't. So shout out to you, Malachai Moore and now two time Russell Wilson Umpire of the Week. I just realized he should probably keeping track of it. 00:55:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should. Maybe next season we'll have to keep track of them and we can tally him up from this season too, so then we can actually record who's in the lead here, not Angel Hernandez, considering he's barely humped any games, although, like we've said, it will not take him long now that he's back to be on this list here. 00:55:20 Speaker 1: I think he's dodging us. 00:55:24 Speaker 2: What you think he's umpiring games well on purpose? 00:55:27 Speaker 1: I think no. I think he saw that these two kids have now have a Russell Wilson Umpire of the Week award and decided to half retire. 00:55:35 Speaker 2: Hmm, that's actually not a bad theory. He doesn't want any more bad PR because well, let's let's be real, Angel Angel Hernandez never gets bad PR. People only have good things to say about that guy. 00:55:46 Speaker 1: No, we specifically hold umpires accountable, and he was like, I can't have that. 00:55:50 Speaker 2: No, exactly. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: All right, let's close out the show with speak your mind. 00:55:56 Speaker 2: Speak your mind. 00:56:01 Speaker 1: That would be unwise. 00:56:03 Speaker 2: What is necessary is never unwise. 00:56:07 Speaker 1: What's on your mind this week? 00:56:10 Speaker 2: It can only be one thing. We touched on it two weeks ago, and now TJ it is official. Richard Sherman is your newest host of Undisputed with Skip Bayless. It is official. Pen to paper. 00:56:28 Speaker 1: Are you gonna be up at nine? What time do they go on? Whatever time they're on, you're gonna be up watching that. It's gonna be him, Lil Wayne, and Rachel Nichols sitting at a desk together. Does that not sound entertaining? 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they're all gonna be there at the same time. I think they're gonna rotate on different days. But again, I don't ever watch the show until now because the fact that Sherm's gonna be on, I think I have to start watching because guess what, there is no chance they make it through even one football season without the two of them blowing up up on each other. There's gonna be some moment in the studio worse than Skip and Shannon ever had where those two legitimately start screaming and are standing up at each other. 00:57:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Skip, but Sherman is different from Shannon. I mean, Sherman Richard never forgets things you say. He does not. If you say something about him, he'll bury it in his head and he'll wait for the right moment to spring it on you. 00:57:25 Speaker 2: I can't even believe I'm saying I can't wait for undisputed. But some one of our friends said it today and I agree with him. I cannot wait for Undisputed. 00:57:35 Speaker 1: This is gonna be fantastic. Yeah, I can't wait. We'll have to Uh. We will check back in here on Speak your Mind after we watch a few episodes. 00:57:44 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's also last thing before you dive in on your topic. Does Lil Wayne actually know sports? 00:57:53 Speaker 3: No? 00:57:54 Speaker 1: Well he might a little bit. He probably knows basketball. 00:57:57 Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I'll be interesting because I was gonna say, I don't know how much he's breaking down here. Then again, how much does Skip breakdown? 00:58:04 Speaker 1: But right, exactly. The thing is, you don't need to like sports, you just need to like Skip. And that's what Lil Wayne does. We know he loves Skip. Somehow where did that relationship start? 00:58:16 Speaker 2: I don't even know. I honestly have no idea. Maybe we'll have to do some research on that too. That is just the weirdest friendship ever, Like how those two crosspath and became so close in terms of friends. I have no idea. 00:58:31 Speaker 1: My Speaker Mind this week is Phil Mickelson. There's a story that came out today and if you haven't listened to our episode with Peter Apple last week. Go check it out. We did talk some baseball betting. Phil makes Peter look like he's betting a penny every time he bets. Do you know Peter explained to us what a unit is. He said, a unit is one percent of what you're willing to lose while betting on sports. Do you know what? Phil Mickelson's unit was well over the from a stretch from twenty ten to twenty fourteen. 00:59:05 Speaker 2: Why don't you enlighten everybody? 00:59:07 Speaker 1: One hundred and ten thousand dollars. Isn't this incredible? He bet one hundred and ten thousand dollars on something one thousand, one hundred and fifteen times. Bill Michelson bet over a billion dollars over that stretch and netted about one hundred million dollars in losses. I can't even begin to fathom that number. I'm not even gonna get to the fact of how many better things that money could be used for today than wasting it on sports gambling like he did. But this is just incredible. This man, Uh, for what year was this? In twenty eleven, he averaged nine bets a day, including one day while or he bet forty three times on an MLB slate. 00:59:57 Speaker 2: Man, that sounds like somebody with no education. He must have gone to some awful school. I mean, what a moron. Oh he would wait yep, you know what. 01:00:07 Speaker 1: That sounds on brand though, It sounds on brand for an ASU kid. 01:00:11 Speaker 2: Oh a lot of money making poor decisions. Yeah, that's about right on brand. So that day, we were not saying we were like that. I don't think we were. But when you think of ASU kids, there is a type. Let's put it like that. 01:00:28 Speaker 1: The thing is when I think about with forty three bets in one day on a Major League Baseball slate, at most there's fifteen games. 01:00:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's betting props, he's betting lines, he's probably betting no run first inning on half of these games. 01:00:43 Speaker 1: He's probably forty three, five hundred dollars and losses that day on his baseball betting day. Is it, Like, that's just incredible. I'm just trying to think about that. First of all, I'm thinking, I'm like, is that even legal? And like probably not? Like, no, no casino would take that much money on something. I don't think right, none of those Vegas casinos would let a guy walk in there. Mult like and bet nine times at one hundred and ten thousand dollars. 01:01:09 Speaker 2: I doubt it now, I really doubt it. 01:01:12 Speaker 1: So good job Phil. And because of all this gambling debt, he essentially single handedly ruined the PGA tour. You think about it, right, right, His gambling debt was the reason he took the live money and all the other people took to live money, and now Live bought the PGA. 01:01:30 Speaker 2: Essentially shout out to you, Phil Nicholson. Again. They're gonna they're gonna put him. They're gonna put his statue up at ASU one day. 01:01:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they will. They just put it up at U what is it Greyhawk? Greyhawk, where the golf facility is, and say look at this. So here's Phil and then there's his all of his gambling losses down there, a separate statue down the street. 01:01:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe Talking Stick Resort will put one up of them too. 01:01:57 Speaker 1: They should put him in the in the sports book in uh, what's it? What's the arena? Cold? Now it's not Talking Stick, it's whatever. 01:02:06 Speaker 2: Whatever. The son's a prince? Yeah yeah sure, why not you play one for one all. 01:02:12 Speaker 1: Time in that sports book. So they should put a statue up of me next to Philo. 01:02:16 Speaker 2: Two ASU legends at its finest. 01:02:19 Speaker 1: You know what, one's a bit of a better gambler than the other one. 01:02:23 Speaker 2: Not saying you too as to say, are you the better gambler? I mean you bet less money. 01:02:28 Speaker 1: He lost more money, but percentage wise he's probably better, all. 01:02:33 Speaker 2: Right, I guess. I guess we'll need a bigger sample size for you to determine. But hey, until you lose like one hundred thousand dollars or I think you're I think you're in the clear here. 01:02:43 Speaker 1: My units are a little bit smaller than his work. Maybe subtract one hundred and nine and ninety five dollars. 01:02:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ball park it at that. I think that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon. 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