Episode 76: Mariners Trade Eugenio Suarez To The Diamondbacks, And Profiling FA OF Jorge Soler

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number seventy six of the Marine Layer Podcast. Will react to the AU Hennio Suarez trade, will profile a potential free agent for the Mariners. Por Hey so Laer and Lyle. We will close out the show with speak your Mind. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: You're a reminder before we start the show to download our episodes and leave us that five star review if you're listening, you can listen wherever you get your audio podcast. Make sure to go do that and give us a follow, and then watch on YouTube too. You can like, comment, subscribe over there. All that helps out. The reviews and downloads on the audio side really do help big time. And then you can follow us on social media on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter and YouTube shorts at marine Layer Pod. 00:00:41 Speaker 3: Let's get it rolling. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, recording here on on Wednesday, November twenty second, in the afternoon. 00:01:03 Speaker 3: Aohennio Suarez was. 00:01:04 Speaker 1: Traded earlier today and Lyle, I just have I just have a suggestion for Jerry to poto if he's gonna make a trade on the eve of a holiday that everyone just doesn't want to have to focus on work and worrying about all these other things. Could he do one that gets reflected in a more positive light? 00:01:20 Speaker 3: Is it too much to ask? 00:01:23 Speaker 2: That is too much to ask? Come on, dog, Like, what do you expect? Did you think the night of the night before Thanksgiving? The stars would really align for the Mariners, the Seattle Mariners where they signed show hey or go trade for Yondi Diaz or go sign Blake's Now, like, it's not gonna be that easy. You should know better than that. By now. 00:01:40 Speaker 1: I know you just wanted to like go into the holiday and not have to worry about anything. 00:01:44 Speaker 3: And you and I like, we had a nice episode planned today. 00:01:47 Speaker 1: We still have part of it that we're gonna touch on with Jorge Solaire, knock out a couple of things and enjoy our Thanksgiving Lyle. But instead the vibe has turned significantly on this Thanksgiving Eve. Oh it's bad vie only, Yeah, it is bad vibes only. So the summary of the trade, Jerry swings a trade with the Arizona Diamondbacks. Aheneo Suarez will go hang out with Paul Sewald now down in the desert. The Mariners acquire twenty four year old reliever Carlos Vargas back and backup catcher Sebi Zavalla. It doesn't really doesn't really move the needle for me too much. Dog the details of this. I think they're thinking Sebb Savala will be the backup catcher this year. He's had some decent defensive numbers. He also had a decent offensive season for a backup catcher in twenty twenty two, with a one to ten WRC plus. But you don't usually trade your starting third baseman for a backup catcher. So if I'm going to get to the bottom of this file, this is the Mariners making their most prominent effort yet to rid their lineup of strikeouts. 00:02:49 Speaker 3: I think I think that's what this is. 00:02:52 Speaker 2: Do you want to cite Do you want to start with the Mariner side of this, like with Sebbi and with Vargas, or do you want to start with the Geno side. 00:02:59 Speaker 3: Let's start with the Geno's side. I know people want to hear this. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, they are trying to cut down on strikeouts. I think a couple weeks ago when we talked about taoscar declining the QA or sorry, the Mariner's not giving him the QO that we said, yeah, he's probably not coming back now, and I said, probably not, but maybe if it gets late in the offseason, they'd think about it. Well, after this trade, my opinion's changed now. There is absolutely no way to Oscar Hernandez is coming back because what they are trying to do very clearly is get rid of strikeouts. I think they are sick and tired of seeing all these strikeouts in the lineup, and I think they were tired of seeing it in twenty twenty three. That's why they traded Gino. He has a year of club control left. There is a club option for twenty twenty five, so I guess technically he has two. But they very very clearly want to punch out a lot less and they are going to the extreme of trading your third baseman who was one of the best defenders in baseball last year and we know can hit for power to execute on that, because it's not like there's not going to be strikeouts in the lineup. You've still got Julio who strikes out a lot, You've got Calu strikes out a lot, You've got Kelnick who strikes out a lot lot. But Tao and Gino both struck out over two hundred times last year, and their k rates sit around the thirty percent mark every year. Clearly, the Mariner said, look, we've got to get rid of this. This is enough. Something has to change, and it's starting with this now. I don't think that made the fans too happy, but I think if you're trying to get inside the mind of Jerry Depotto and Justin Hollander, that's what they're thinking. 00:04:22 Speaker 1: It's even more prominent when you take a look at these numbers. Luke Arkins brought all these numbers to together. Shout out to him. He put together a very nice threat on Twitter about the combination of Aoheneo Suarez, Teoscar Hernandez, Tom Murphy and Mike Ford last season, four guys who are almost certainly not on this Mariner's roster in the twenty twenty four season. Look at their twenty twenty three numbers, nearly eighteen hundred plate appearances combined at a thirty one percent strikeout rate. Between those four combined thirty one percent strikeout in eighteen hundred plate appearances. Those guys that will be no longer those eighteen hundred plate appearances will not be back on the Mariners in the twenty twenty three or the twenty twenty four season, a very prominent effort by Jerry and co. Now, look at the holdest leaves on the Mariners roster. You have now just lost your starting third baseman for marginal upgrades. You have a guy who's going to be a reliever he threw four innings last year, and then a backup catcher sliding in for Aohenio Suarez's spot. You would imagine Gino would have had a little bit of a bounce back season in twenty twenty four, and he still probably will with the Diamondbacks in a more comfortable hitting environment. But you're now losing a significant amount of power in your lineup, You're losing a little bit of on base skill in your lineup, and your defense definitely gets worse as well. At the hot corner. If they think that Luis Urias is gonna slide over to third base and replicate all of Geno's success, that like, that's not true, and that leaves less of a less prominence in the lineup as of now. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: So I think that's how it sits in the Mariners. 00:05:56 Speaker 1: Subtracting Gino In that perspective, I two think Sebbi's Valla, if he ends up being the backup catcher and he returns a little bit of his twenty twenty two form, can actually benefit the Mariners this season. But I'm gonna say benefit as a true backup catcher and not the role Tom Murphy tried to occupy last year, which was essentially either pseudo d h in the second half. Sebbie saval is not going to do that, but be a good backup catcher. I mean, that's certainly a valuable asset to have on your roster. 00:06:24 Speaker 2: Sure backup catchers and good backup catchers are important, especially because Sebbi Zavalla blocks the ball very well, and he's a good pitch framer. That's why they like him. He's a good defender, and in those two areas specifically, he really thrives. He blocks the ball and he frames pitch as well. But let's make this abundantly clear, because as we currently sit, if it was opening day today, you'd have Luis Sirius at third base and Ty France at first base. So let's just state this and be as clear as we can speak about it. The current roster as we sit right now is worse than what it was as we ended twenty twenty three, between getting rid of Isaiah Campbell and getting rid of Gino. It is worse than where it's sat at the end of twenty twenty three. 00:07:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're nabundantly clear and very correct with that. 00:07:08 Speaker 1: And we're saying this like I'm trying to say a little bit more come as a little bit more animated earlier. But I think as the day is worn on, I've calmed down a little bit. I mean, there's no there has to be another move coming like that is the only acceptable reason for this is that there's a significantly more prominent move coming to fill this roster out, Because if there's not, then I mean then you and I really really really have an. 00:07:33 Speaker 3: Issue, and I just want we should. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: Honestly, Doug, we could dedicate a segment on this podcast to reading through the replies of Mariners tweets every time they promote tickets on their account. It had another prime opportunity yesterday that you sent me, and people were just having a field day. 00:07:49 Speaker 3: Well could you imagine those comments now? 00:07:51 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some people who have gone back to that tweet now and are like, double down on what they just said, because a trade like this, optics wise, is not good. It's not really good. They did shed nine and a half million dollars in salary. Joe Doyle made a pretty good tweet, a pretty good point about this. This isn't a true salary dump. To those who are thinking this is straight cash dump, it's not really because Luis Arius carries a five million dollar price tag and what he's gonna get in arbitration the net is saving about four million dollars, which I don't know if you can get two mat over four million dollars, it's not that's not a monumental amount. But what the the optice of what this looks like in the initial message right now to that Mariners clubhouse is not good. Like lyle I Fey stuck a mic in cal Raley's face right now and asked him what he thought about the current state of the Mariners roster. 00:08:41 Speaker 3: What does he say? 00:08:44 Speaker 2: I bet you he's pleaded in the fifth Yeah, yes he is. I mean, look at the reaction from some of his teammates today. I saw cal I saw Kelnick, I saw JP Crawford all put out. Thank you, Gino post a couple of guys too. I saw Taylor Sorsado tweet about how awesome Gino was. I would recommend go checking out that tweet because, as always, Taylor keeps it very real and very genuine. Guys loved Gino, like above what he did on the field, above still being a three win player despite a down offensive year in twenty twenty three. You're talking about a guy who was the heartbeat of that clubhouse. You're talking about a guy that brought positivity, a beam of energy, was always smiling like you talk about good vibes, only with Gino. He would lift these guys up a lot of the time. Guys loved being around him. Well, Wis Castillo talked about how much he loves au Hennio Suarez. He said he is one of the best teammates I have ever had. And I'll bet you I don't know this for certain, but I'll bet you Gino played a factor into Luis signing that extension before the end of twenty twenty two. Well, now Gino's gone. So if you're just talking about clubhouse vibes and just feel which this is totally away from where we usually kind of direct our talking points because we're very we're usually very analytically driven. But if you're just talking about the clubhouse, you've essentially ripped out the Mariners heartbeat in both Paul Sewald and au Henny A. Suarez and shipped it down to the desert. That's what you've done if you're just going off clubhouse. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: Vibes, and the clubhouse vibes are, as you said, significantly worse. And we're honestly looking past the simple fact that A Henny Swarz played every single game for the Mariners last season, one hundred and sixty two games he played last season, and he's no longer on your roster this season. Significant significant in a number of ways. I'm anticipating lyle another move coming because it has to be. This is the only acceptable logical reason for the Mariners doing what they did for this because if there's not another acceptable move coming, well, I've already told you what I'm going to do, but I think I'll save the meat of it until we know a little bit more for certain what. 00:10:49 Speaker 3: Might actually happen this offseason. It's still as early. 00:10:53 Speaker 1: The winter meetings are two weeks away, so I would ask some people to at least for now, diggity breath, and let's let some things play out. Once the off season a little bit is a little bit more shaken out and we get a clearer picture. I think we can more properly react. And if you guys want to get angry, don't worry. Once we get down to the end of this offseason, I'll be right there with you, right in the front of the line. 00:11:18 Speaker 2: If they don't make further moves. As what you correct, I agree with all that. Now I'm going to ask you a yes or no question, and then I'm going to follow up. I'm pretty sure I know what your answer is going to be. We said as of Wednesday morning before this trade was made, We've been saying for the last few weeks at least now the Mariners need to add at least two impact bats this winner, right, Yes, Okay, So what they have now done with this trade of Geno is change the barometer, because now you're talking about three. You now, after moving au Heneosuarez to the Diamonbacks, need to go get three impact bats this winner. And if you don't, I don't think people should accept anything less. That's what this team needs. You now need three true impact bats to help this lineup. And if it's not gonna be show Hey, here's an example that I thought of. Jamer Candelario is already being lightly linked to the Mariners after this trade. You've seen John Morosi tweet about it a little bit, who's usually plugged in with the Mariners pretty well. But we'll see if that has validity or not. If that's true, it needs to look something like this. You need to go sign Jamer Candelario, You need to go sign Jorge Shilaire, who will talk about in a little bit, and you need to go trade for Yanni Diaz. If you go do those three things, fine, you have made up for and then some of the losses you've taken. But if you do less than that, I don't think ban should accept anything less. Because we said they need two bats entering the off season. Now after losing Geno, you need three, and I don't think that's unfair. 00:12:45 Speaker 3: Do you think they're gonna get three? Oh? 00:12:49 Speaker 2: What do I think versus what do I want to happen is two totally different things. I believe that this team should go acquire three real bats. Do I think that's gonna happen? 00:12:59 Speaker 1: On. 00:13:00 Speaker 2: Un Fortunately, history is not on their side with this, so I would probably say no. 00:13:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say no too. 00:13:06 Speaker 1: I it was tall enough of a task when it was only two impact bats, when it was only two, when they only had to go acquire one by trade and then pony up the money and sign another one. 00:13:20 Speaker 3: But three is gonna be something significant. 00:13:23 Speaker 1: We'll float the idea of Matt Chapman out there as well, and I think you and I are going to touch on that in a later episode, going into a little bit more detail about the potential of the blue Jay former Blue Jay's third baseman potentially being a fit on this Mariners roster. He would qualify as well. But it's plain and simple because this team is worse now than they were at the end of the season. The lineup is worse, the defense is worse. The pitching staff because of the defense, is now worse off with this trade than they were at the end of the season. So you've pretty much made all three phases of your team worse this offseason because of letting tasker Hernandez walk and letting a hen Swars get traded out the door in this In this move, we're waiting for what the next domino is of this offseason. This can't this, This literally cannot be it. I'm not I'm not gonna let myself believe that it will be it. I don't want to get sucked down into this hole of negativity, especially during this holiday season. 00:14:21 Speaker 3: I just can't do it. I can't do it. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: I can need to be more upbeat, more positive. But the pressure's on now because the players see see this. Imagine what that that player's group chat was looking like after this trade, trying to figure out what Jerry is trying to do and what they what they ended up doing with Ao Heniosuarez. I could only imagine what it was, and it's definitely definitely tense. Tense times down there in that clubhouse, is what I said. 00:14:52 Speaker 2: Unfair though, again, forget about what do we think the Mariners are going to do? Is that an unfair expectation to set saying they need three real bats as when I don't think it is? 00:15:01 Speaker 1: No, No, it's not not. If you want to win a World series. If you don't want to win a World series, that's a whole different discussion. 00:15:08 Speaker 2: They don't want to win a World series, then then you rebuild, which they're not gonna do because they just went through a rebuild and they are in no need to rebuild, of course, but if you're not winning a World Series, then you're tearing it down and trying again, which is what teams that don't think they can win the World Series do. The Mariners should have every belief that they can do that. They were two games away from having the same record as the Astros and Rangers last year. They should be adding offense again, adding impact, not subtracting. So if you're gonna lose Geno, if you're gonna lose Geno, and we look back in March and they seriously in this scenario I've created, have Jamer on the team, have Solayer on the team, have Yondi Dias on the on the team. Great, that's great, they proved everybody wrong. But you now set that expectation because you cannot be subtracting bats and then stand pat if you go into the season with Luisi Arius as your opening day third baseman, like, that's a real real problem. 00:16:05 Speaker 1: That's a real problem. The roster will recognize that's a real, real problem. And I don't want to throw this term out there lightly. I just I can't have the Mariners front off as gaslighting their fans again. I can't have the GM when he first gets hired telling us how confident he is in getting show Heo Tani and then end up falling flat on his face and his public exposure of the ne negotiations were a reason that they didn't end up getting show Heyo Tani. Or the fact that at the beginning of the twenty twenty three season, the Mariners throw a video out there where they write on a whiteboard saying win it all and then underline it twice, and then go throughout the season and not not do what it takes to go win a World Series, whether it be playing on the field or or acquisitions in season, et cetera, et cetera, or acquisitions in the offseason, and then to come out and the fans after the off season and say how much of a success your organization is and how much of a step forward you've taken, and now you know this off season is critical in expecting that you're going to compete for a title next season. And now we sit here at this and it's like that the only word I can use to describe all of what I just said, Lyle is gas live. 00:17:14 Speaker 3: That's it. 00:17:15 Speaker 1: That's all it is. And Maritis fans have been through too much to be gas lit, to be lied to, to be told to be patient ever more like this, like the off season, to be patient any longer. They don't deserve any of that. That's why this is so frustrating, because there's no way any Maritor fan should have to wait any longer to have a team that cares about winning, period. 00:17:42 Speaker 3: That's it. 00:17:43 Speaker 2: Three bats, It's that simple. I'm gonna keep speaking it into existence. And if they sign said impact bats, I'll start checking them off the list. They go trade for Yondi Diaz, I'll say, great, you've got one two to go, you go sign Jamer I'll say great, two down, one to go. But we're counting, and we're setting this expectation at three because losing Taoscar and losing Gino has set that precedent. That's what you need. So those guys need to be replaced. I know. Look, you didn't give Taoskar the QO, right, so you're saving a lot of money in that regard. You're saving a little bit of money when you net the Gino trade and the Ureas trade. But that money, as we've talked about, needs to go be used elsewhere, like go out and spend it, go out and acquire talent and get the three bats that you need, because that is what the team needs. I'm glad they're cutting down on strikeouts. I think it helps if they don't strike out a bunch. I think everybody would agree with that. But you need to still supplement with real bats. And the three guys we outlined, Solair Diaz, Candelario, those are three guys that don't strike out a whole time. They really don't. We'll get into Solaire here more in a minute or two, but they are not guys that are just gonna kill your strikeout, right, So it's not unreasonable to say those things. Oh so those three guys shouldn't even cost that much. Diaz is on a cheap contract. I don't think so. Laire's getting a ton at the DH spot money wise, I don't think Candelario is getting some crazy contract Like this is not an unreasonable ask either, to say get those three guys. 00:19:09 Speaker 1: It's really not, And I think most people are convinced though, knowing the history of this organization, the budget they have run that it's gonna be one impact bat and it's gonna be like, well, that should be enough. And that's what people are gonna think. And if I'm gonna think, while I'm gonna think, that's what they're gonna do until we're proven otherwise. We have our checklist for what they need to do to contend. You just laid it out perfectly. That is what they need to do if they want to go win a World Series. 00:19:35 Speaker 3: That is it. 00:19:36 Speaker 1: And then there's what we expect, which might be a little closer to what I just said. 00:19:40 Speaker 3: It's up to Jerry to go prove which one of those things we're gonna check off. 00:19:45 Speaker 2: I really hope in like two months this whole segment ends up on old takes exposed and we're totally wrong. They have show, Hey, they have Yondi Diaz, They've they've gone and signed blake'snell whatever. I really hope they do all those things, but they have not earned the right to ensure the trust in their fans that that's gonna happen. They need to go out and prove it, and I really really hope they do. 00:20:09 Speaker 3: It's that simple, right, Yes, it is that simple. 00:20:13 Speaker 2: Okay, As we wrap this up, a lot to get to in that segment, and I think for good reason. I think a lot of fans are feeling the same way we're feeling. 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Who was his hitting coach again? 00:21:45 Speaker 3: Oh? 00:21:45 Speaker 2: Oh it was Brent Brown, who's now with the Mariners. 00:21:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, and which hitting coach? Did he have his best season ever under him? Trying to remember? Oh wait, yeah it was under Brown? 00:21:55 Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Yeah, the Marlins really got and Bran Brown got the best version of Jorge Solaier this past season in twenty twenty three, not as high as WRC plus season, but maybe his most complete season at the plate. When we tie in walk rate, strikeout rate on top of the power. I mean, we're still talking about thirty six home runs a one to twenty six WRC plus are respectable on base percentage. He slugged over five hundred, struck out only twenty four percent of the time, walked over eleven percent of the time. 00:22:29 Speaker 3: Is a full time DH. I mean, doesn't this start sound like the perfect fit for something the Mariners could use? The kind of guy who has the prodigious enough power to not be affected by any ballpark he plays in. I mean, Marlins Park is not in any way a hitter's park, and yet he made it look tiny. He made it look tiny with the amount of swings he puts in. And we're talking about an improvement he made this season. Where up until this year, I mean he was around a twenty six and a half twenty seven percent strikeout rate, guy who dropped by full two percentage points and what was one of his best strikeout rate years of his career. Seems like the perfect mix of power, strikeout rate, walk rate in a position of need that the Mariners like do need in their lineup right now? At DH. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: You know what he sounds like to me? A guy who could be an improved version of Taoscar Hernandez. And here's why I say that. When Tayo was here, what did people say about him, Well, he hits the ball extremely hard. T Mobile Park shouldn't play a factor, even though it kind of did, along with the fact that he hits for a lot of power. Well, here's the difference. Not only are you not asking Jorges Hilaire to play the field if he comes to Seattle, he'd just be a dh so he can just focus on hitting, but he also walks a lot and does not strike out a ton. There'll be these people out there who maybe don't pay ultra close attention to Jorges Hilaire that just look at him and say, yeah, but he's one of those two outcome guys. All he does is hit a home runner, strike out. He's a two outcome guy. No he's not. No, he is not. Let me read this to you. Jorge Solaire has walked over ten percent of the time every single year since twenty sixteen. Since twenty sixteen, he has walked over ten percent of the time every year of his career. You know who didn't do that, Taoscar Hernandez in fact, the Ooscar Hernandez did not walk at all. And then they'll say, oh, but he strikes out a time well earlier in his career. I think that's a fair statement. He struck out more early on, But you just mentioned it. His k rates were way down the last couple of years. This past year he was not striking out a whole lot. It was at a totally manageable clip what he did this past year. So what does that add up to. Oh, a guy with more power than Taoscar Hernandez, a guy who walks way more than Taoscar Hernandez, a guy who strikes out significantly less than Taoscar Hernandez and doesn't have to play the field and hits the crap out of the baseball. Sounds like a perfect fit to me. 00:24:55 Speaker 3: And he's cheaper. Hey. 00:24:56 Speaker 1: MLB trade rumors projects three for forty five. And I think Taoskier Hernandez, despite all of his deficiencies, because he plays the field, is going to get more money than Jorge Solaire this season. Can we just like admire his baseball savant profile a little bit? I mean I think we gawkeed at Taoscars a little bit last offseason. But I'm dead serious when I'm looking at Jorge Cilais. I mean, we're talking about a ninety fourth percentile quality of contact, a ninety fourth percentile slug average, exit velocity above the eightieth percentile, barrel rate above the ninetieth percentile. And that's on top of having above average chase rate, sweet swat sweet spot percentage, hard hit rate above eighty the eightieth percentile, and a walk rate also above the eightieth percentile. He's got a tiny bit of swing a miss in his game thirty seventh percentile. But that's not horrible. It's just below average. And that's the same thing with this K rate we're talking about Taoscar Hernandez. The chase rate is horrible and the k percentage is horrible. You can deal with below average when you're getting everything else. It's not like you're getting awesome everything else and atrocious chase. 00:25:59 Speaker 3: Rates in swinging. No, no, that's not the case for Jorge Sohilaire. 00:26:03 Speaker 1: He is probably what you would dream of the He's what you would dream you would get if you're actually getting taskar Hananda's He's what Mariners fans thought Taoscar Hernandez was gonna do if he was gonna have a breakout season this past year. I think Jorge Soili, if he's able to repeat the season with the Marlins, with the Mariners in twenty twenty four, that's what Mariners fan Mariner fans think they were getting last year from Tao. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: I'll say, outside of the walks, one hundred percent, I think everybody knew ta Oscar was not ever gonna walk. But again, you can not only hope for that for Jorge Hilaire, no, you should expect it. He walks. He has a good eye at the plate, he has good plate discipline, he will get on base. Like I know, people look at him and think, oh, he's just an all or nothing guy. He is really not that guy. This is a like for the fact that he should make about a three year deal anywhere anywhere from forty to forty five million dollars. How could how could you not be bought in on this idea? Not that expensive crushes baseballs can play dh a position of need. It seemed like a legit, seamless fit along with the whole Bran Brown factor right exactly. 00:27:09 Speaker 1: And another thing I will note, he does have pretty extreme platoon splits. Yes, but it's not like But here's the thing, here's the asterisk about his platoon spit splits. He's not bad against righties. In fact, he has a one o nine WRC plus against righties, which you would say, okay, if that's your weak side, only one on nine. That's fine because his slash line against his his outcomes against lefties is a one point eighty one WRC plus. He slugs seven hundred against righty's this past season, walking fifteen percent of the time in striking out only twenty two percent. I mean, he took righties to fucking town this past season and then or sorry, lefties to town this past season and has been serviceable against right handed pitchers. 00:27:52 Speaker 3: I think that's all you can really ask for. 00:27:55 Speaker 2: Yet another way, he's like tay Oscar Hernandez. He crushes left handed pitching. There there's so many similarities. Yet I think it is an upgrade. I think again, the fact you're not asking him to play the field is huge and he's not gonna cost as much. I like, I really I really don't understand how if the Mariners are not all over this, why they aren't it is It is such a seamless fit where you're talking about three impact bats again, you go get so Laire check that box and look Solaire has not crushed lefties to that level every year of his career, Like he's not putting up a one seventy one pint eighty WRC plus or a seven hundred slug against lefties every year, but he has been good. Like his career WRC plus against south Pause is just under one thirty, So he's about thirty percent above league average against lefties for his career. So sign me right up. Like we've talked about a bunch of guys being great fits, like, Okay, obviously, is Showhy a great fit? Yes? Is Yanni Das obviously a great fit? Yes? Those guys are either going to cost a lot of money or very very high end players and prospects to go get. This is a guy who should not cost that much and is just an ideal piece of this lineup right in the smack dab middle of it. I like, if I were Jerry and Justin Hollander, I'm going out and signing him this very second, and I'm using Bram Brown to help recruit him here. 00:29:13 Speaker 1: So I have a I have a something to note here when doing my prep on on Jorge Solaire. The Murders are not the only team who they're the I would say Mariners fans and Mariners writers are not the only people who think Jorge Solaire is a fit for the team they cover or that they are a fan of. Can I just read you some headlines that I found while uh while googling Okay Red Sox free agency, Jorge Solaire a fit. Jorge Solaire is a perfect fit for the Guardians. Uh, let's see is former World Series MVP Worth a perfect fit for the Orioles Padres linked with former World Series MVP Orge Solaier this offseason? Those are just the top four headlines when I click the news tab on my Google search. 00:29:55 Speaker 3: That popped up. 00:29:56 Speaker 1: So, I gotta say the Maritors would not be the only team that are need more power and less strikeouts in their lineup who could court the services of Jorge Solaire. 00:30:05 Speaker 3: So he's gonna be a hot commodity if. 00:30:07 Speaker 1: Teams really believe he can keep up what happened in this twenty twenty three season. 00:30:12 Speaker 2: Well, and teams have probably picked up on what we've picked up on which is he's not gonna cost a ton of money. So they're like, well, you add that type of production into the lineup for fairly reasonable dollars. Great, like, Look, his war is not going to blow anybody away every year, like his war this past year was about two because he doesn't play the field, and as a result, his value will be a little bit limited in that regard. But the Mariners need bats. Bats, you need power, you need walks, you need contacts. So lare can do that, like you really can. So you're right that we're probably not the only people picking up on this. That doesn't mean that the Mariners shouldn't go out and do it either, because they make themselves a lot better if they do. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: Certainly, so and man and this would be a good fit. 00:30:57 Speaker 1: And he would not cost that much, as you said in our previous second, he really does not cost that much money. If he really only costs fifteen million dollars a year at the high end, we'll say twenty million dollars a year for really a top tier DH that's usually about what they will get. 00:31:12 Speaker 3: Because you can't play in the field. 00:31:14 Speaker 1: It just it makes too much sense and makes too much sense where they want to be have great quality of contact and a ton of power as well. I think Jorge Hilaire will end up being, you know, potentially a home run signing if the Mariners can actually court his services. So we'll have to see on that. Before we get to speak your mind, a word from our friends over at simply Seattle. Holiday season is almost upon us, Lyle. So if you, mister Goldstein, have not gotten and you are listeners as well, have not gotten your family the proper gifts for this holiday season, we want you to go over to our friends at simply Seattle and go check them out, Go give them a look for what you could potentially get all of your family this holiday season. I mean we're talking about all the best Mariners, Seahawks, Kraken, Sonics, Huskies, gear, anything you could want that centers around the Pacific Northwest. Simply Seattle has you cover. And if you, guys, go to simply Seattle dot com and use our code Marine fifteen, you get fifteen percent off your order again only at simply Sattle dot com. Any of your Pacific Northwest themed gear accessories that you could want, go to simply Sattle dot com. They'll have you covered. Use our code Marine fifteen for fifteen percent off your order. Okay, let's get to speak your mind. 00:32:32 Speaker 2: Speak your mind spot. That would be unwise. What is necessary is never unwise. 00:32:43 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm just gonna lead this off. I didn't know what I was gonna do for Speak your Mind today until I arrived and sat in this chair, thought about it for a second, and now I do know. I'm just gonna flat out say it. The college football coaching cycle is one of the most stupid, illogical, and dumb concepts in the world. 00:33:05 Speaker 2: Lyle, it may be stupid, but it's also dumb. As Patrick Starr would say. You said it's stupid and dumb, you must be really feeling some type of way about this. 00:33:17 Speaker 1: Let me like, in any profession, Lyle, Let's say you have the biggest thing of whatever you do in your profession. But right around that thing is also the time where if you were to get a new job in said field, that's when you had to be interviewing for it. So not only say you had to take the SAT the SAT on Saturday, but you also had to if you wanted to get into a better school as well, that's when you had to apply for it. That's actually kind of a stupid thing. So the stupid comparison sown to throw that out. But the fact that college coaches this week being rivalry week, are going to have their biggest, most intense game for their fan base this week, and yet if they want to get hired for a new job for next season, next season, if eight nine, ten months away, this is the week where they have to interview for it, and they would have to take that job by Saturday. Is that not stupid? Where you cannot focus on your current team and the biggest, the biggest, most intense game of the season, and instead you have to focus on someone else's program instead. 00:34:24 Speaker 2: Money talks, that's all say. It is stupid. But if you're a coach wanting a new job and an upgrade and you don't bounce on that, somebody else is gonna take it from you. 00:34:35 Speaker 1: But it's all because of the college football calendar. I mean, the early signing day really ruins everything. If the early signing day didn't exist and they kept just the old signing day, we wouldn't have this issue because the off season really would not start until all the balls are done and everyone can just take a breath and relax and you can take a new job, say after the bowl game. 00:34:55 Speaker 3: But no, you cannot do that. I mean you literally cannot do that. 00:34:59 Speaker 1: The transfer portal opens on the fourth early signing day for high schoolers is right smack in the middle of December, and those are two key dates when it comes to adding to your rosters. So these schools they want to hire you before December first rolls around. The problem is there's only one week between the end of the regular season. 00:35:17 Speaker 3: And December first. It makes it just one of the most. 00:35:22 Speaker 1: Chaotic and news dence weeks of the entire calendar. And I don't know how any coach gets it done. Just like just for example, like here in Corvallis, Jonathan Smith's name has apparently been thrown around in as heavy favorites for the Michigan State job. So instead of us today sitting here and talking about on our radio show today, which I was hosting today, instead of us talking about what is one of the biggest rivalry games that these two programs, the Oregon State Beavers and the Orgon Ducks, have played this Friday, we're talking about the potential of Jonathan Smith going to Michigan State. Instead of that hypothetical, pure hypothetical that is unsourced, I would say on our end, but has been floated down on message boards and rumors and et cetera, et cetera. That's what we're talking about instead of the actual football game on Friday. 00:36:09 Speaker 3: It's so stupid. 00:36:10 Speaker 1: The whole sport of college football while is stupid, it defies logic. It any sort of thing that that any sort of grasp of reality that the sport has, of structure and consistency of and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, does not exist in this sport period. 00:36:31 Speaker 2: While Teach, you were lead hosting today, you could have simply made an executive decision to ignore this whole Jonathan Smith Michigan State thing and just not talked about it. It was it was your show today. You could have said, you know what, I refuse to give this attention, but. 00:36:44 Speaker 1: It's so easy to talk about and everyone else wants to talk about it too, because you know, the whole situation with what's going on here, like they don't have they don't have a concurrent like conference for next season, or or schedule or television deal, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. There's so much unknown for next year, so people want to hear from the local radio host, like some assurances or some thoughts on this subject, because you can't just ignore something like that. I mean, that's your future. Well, just like you're not, like you're not as ingrained into this football program as I am. But from the outside looking in, say Jonathan Smith leaves and he goes and takes the Michigan State job, do you think the Oregon State football job is going to be a hot commodity in the in the coaching circles. 00:37:27 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 00:37:28 Speaker 1: No, that's exactly the point. And I'm just say people are freaking the fuck out. I'm sure they are. 00:37:34 Speaker 2: I think that's all warranted. Man, Oregon States really getting the bad end of the stick for things that they didn't do. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: Like, no, no, they did not. 00:37:44 Speaker 2: You just feel, Yeah, you feel for people in Corvallis and you feel for people in Pullman. So man, all right. 00:37:51 Speaker 3: That's my conclusion. 00:37:52 Speaker 1: Though it's stupid, it's it's very on brand with the rest of college athletics. 00:37:57 Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe they should have just had a system to pay their players for years and years on end. 00:38:03 Speaker 1: Now, Oh, that's an interesting concept, Lew. It's almost logical and it makes sense. I wonder why they didn't no one else follow that. 00:38:12 Speaker 2: Well, the NCAA is nonprofit. They don't make any money, haven't you heard? 00:38:16 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Not a cent on the n on the on the on March madness. 00:38:20 Speaker 2: No, none, none at all. Well, on a happier note, I know what my speaker mind's gonna be, and I'll test your memory here. I'm gonna throw it back a year ago to when we did one of our very very early speaker minds, when this podcast was launched. I think there's a lot of people listening now that probably were not listening back then, so they didn't hear this take of mind about a year ago. Do you know where I'm going with this? It has to do with Thanksgiving. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Once you start talking, I'll probably realize it. 00:38:49 Speaker 2: That is probably true. Everybody has their favorite dishes for Thanksgiving, right, Oh god, yeah, I have my favorite. 00:39:00 Speaker 3: Holy shit, it's from the podcast. Off now stop listening. 00:39:05 Speaker 2: Oh you better believe I'm just devouring my plate with cranberry sauce tomorrow for Thanksgiving and eating a ton of it, A ton of it. That's my favorite meal or dish. At the Thanksgiving meal. Like, if that wasn't there, I probably like Thanksgiving like thirty percent less or something like that. It's like the greatest, greatest dish ever, which most people would say, that's gross, it's terrible. Why do you even eat it? No, I think it's amazing. 00:39:31 Speaker 3: Dude, that's that is wretched. 00:39:35 Speaker 2: No, you should. 00:39:36 Speaker 3: You should throw your plate in the trash. 00:39:40 Speaker 2: I would if it didn't taste so good, but that would be a total waste. 00:39:44 Speaker 3: Dude. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: It's there's a reason they only bring it out once a year. Low because it's not that good. 00:39:50 Speaker 2: Oh, if it was around more than once a year, like it, Like, if it was, if people had it in other places, Oh, I'd eat it way more. But it seems to be a once a year thing. 00:39:59 Speaker 1: If cranberry sauce was acceptable in modern human society at a normal meal, it would be offered on restaurant menus. 00:40:07 Speaker 3: People would be eating it, I don't know, a couple times a month. It wouldn't be an issue. 00:40:11 Speaker 1: But no, because it sucks and only a few people like yourself actually like it. 00:40:16 Speaker 3: That's why it's only brought out once a year. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: Well, here's my petition to have it out more than once a year. Let me make let me make my let me make my sales pitch. Just some restaurants to have it on the menu as a side dish. If you like, you get have fries, side salad, like potato wedges. There's all these side dishes. No, I think cranberry sauce should be added to the lists of all your local establishments. 00:40:40 Speaker 1: Like they go bankrupt, They go bankrupt buying all this cranberry sauce when the only people who would the only person who walks in the restaurant and eats it and gets it on the side, is you. 00:40:53 Speaker 2: Well, if they're looking to get rid of some of it, I'll take the complimentary extras. I can't wait. 00:40:59 Speaker 3: It is just wretched. Why would you do that to your taste buds? Like? 00:41:02 Speaker 2: Why you you act like I have a choice in taste buds, Like, like you don't have a choice in that. I like what I like. I think it's I think it's good. Hey, if there's anybody else out there listening that likes cranberry sauce, please let me know, because while this may be a very very unpopular take, I know I'm not alone on this, So please somebody somebody help me out with this. 00:41:24 Speaker 1: How many other people in your family eat cranberry sauce? How many other people are eating it at the at the your Thanksgiving dinner table? 00:41:32 Speaker 2: Oh, other people eat it now, nowhere even close to the margins that I eat it at. 00:41:36 Speaker 1: But what are the portions we're talking about of cranberry sauce? Are we talking about a little bit of cranberry sauce? Or are we talking a full scoop? No, one of course is gonna match you. 00:41:46 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean when I say other people eat it, it's like a very small portion. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: How much di Spencery? 00:41:54 Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think Spencer likes it if I'm remembering right, maybe, or maybe he eats like a little of it. I'm trying to remember exactly. 00:42:02 Speaker 1: So that's disgusting, you'll honestly unacceptable. Yeah, if we're ever gonna have a Thanksgiving dinner together, there's there's gonna be no cranberry sauce on the table. It's it's not going to be there. 00:42:13 Speaker 2: So you would sacrifice it to potentially not have me show up? 00:42:18 Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to bring your own. 00:42:20 Speaker 2: Can that seems like a reasonable deal? Well, that is my very very hyped up speak your mind as I cannot wait now by the time this is out, Olive already had it and then fulfilled. But TJ TJ, on the other hand, will not. If I have to ask, if I have to add one more quick thing to our speak your mind here before we wrap up, Richard Truman's getting fed up with Skip Bayless already. It didn't take very long. How long did it take? When did they start? Like two months ago? Two and a half months ago? 00:42:55 Speaker 3: Man, who could have seen this coming? 00:42:57 Speaker 2: That that? Oh, absolutely nobody. I mean, I mean two personalities that are just so humble and down to earth, I mean, just the perfect partnership. 00:43:06 Speaker 1: Really easy people to work with too, I hear. I mean from past colleagues and and and and and appearances on radio shows and and and and longtime partners that have been cycled through. 00:43:19 Speaker 3: I mean, ah, I couldn't have. They seem like the perfect match to me. 00:43:23 Speaker 1: I'm just heartbroken that this is the case, that that we might get some explosives on Undisputed because these two can't get along. 00:43:31 Speaker 3: I mean, just nobody could have seen this. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: Nobody could have For those who didn't see the clips, Skip baylist was going on about something. It had something to do with Jordan Travis and no. 00:43:41 Speaker 1: It was the hip drop tackle, right, he was like and and Sherman's like, well, you've actually you've never. 00:43:45 Speaker 3: Tackled anyone in your life. 00:43:47 Speaker 1: And it was like easy there, Sherman, I've been doing this longer than you have, Buddy. The classic skip line, which he actually, by the way, pulled out with the first time. Those two got into a spat on Undisputed, which was like, well, well, I think my career is certainly more accomplished than yours, is a Richard. 00:44:04 Speaker 2: Oh you mean on first take, like ten. 00:44:06 Speaker 3: Years on first take? Yeah, that one. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: So what a line. Somewhere in there he was floating the name Jordan Travis out there, who's the Florida State quarterback who just unfortunately suffered a really bad injury this past week. But somewhere that was in there, and you're right, they were talking about the hip drop tackle when Sherman said, when Sherman disagreed, Skip goes Richard I'm speaking, is what he says. Richard, I'm speaking. He's like, He's like, well, guess what, Skip, I actually played the game. You didn't play the games all the well, I've been covering this longer than you. It's like yeah, and I actually played you don't know what you're talking about, which sounded very similar to the Skip and Shannon dispute that I think started the downfall between the two of them. Remember when Shannon's like, you know what, Skip, He's like, I'm in the fen Hall of Fame and Skip's like so what. 00:44:51 Speaker 1: It's like, so what you were never better than Tom Brady and He's like what, Yeah. 00:44:57 Speaker 2: Oh, this this show is going to go down the drain. I mean, and we all could have seen this one coming. It was just it was two too on brand, like you knew it was on the horizon. But I think we had to throw that in there since we seem to cover all the undisputed drama on here. But yeah, trouble in Paradise. Who could have ever seen it? O? Not me? 00:45:17 Speaker 3: Definitely not me? Man, total blindside. 00:45:19 Speaker 2: No, Okay, I think that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. You guys know the drill. 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