Episode 83: Profiling FA JD Martinez, Discussing Shohei's Insane Contract, And Career Talk

[00:00:00] Welcome to Episode number 83 of the Marine Layer Podcast. Our free agent profile of the week is JD Martinez. His DH spot is now filled on the Dodgers, so he's going to have to go somewhere else. Could

[00:00:11] it be the Mariners? We'll take a look and see if that's a fit. We'll take a look around baseball with our MLB wrap around. And as always, close out the show with Speak Your Mind.

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[00:01:38] part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network. Recording here on Thursday night, December 14th, we let off our Wednesday episode with a Jeff Passant appearance on Seattle Sports earlier in the day. Today, here on Thursday, we'll lead off this episode with Cal Raleigh's appearance

[00:01:57] on Seattle Sports this morning at 9 AM. A lot of people were expecting something from Cal today. It was very notable when Cal popped up on the schedule on Wednesday to appear there on Thursday.

[00:02:10] He was on with Mike Salk and Brock Heard on Brock and Salk. And really, Lyle, he didn't give much on the radio today. I think people might were expecting something, but he didn't really give them anything to react to. I thought Cal was pretty buttoned up.

[00:02:26] He was much more tame than Jeff Passant earlier in the week. Those answers felt media trained. I don't know about you, but it felt like those were very prepared answers that Cal gave,

[00:02:35] which is a little bit different than the way he spoke at the end of the season. You're right. Does it benefit the offseason? Does it benefit the mariners for Cal to not give a media train answer? It doesn't like, does it benefit them

[00:02:47] for him to start just viewing stuff on the radio while under contract again? Not really, right? No, it doesn't. Maybe I'm selfishly looking for some funny content because the offseason so far has been so forgetful and so just miserable flat out that maybe I was looking

[00:03:05] for any way to get some juices flowing. Listen to Cal say something similar to what he said at the end of the year and double down on everything, but it seems like he's probably

[00:03:15] learned his lesson because his tone was very different this time. He was given the opportunity, especially at the end of the interview, Mike Salk gave him the opportunity. He was asked a question

[00:03:26] along the lines of like, how are you guys reacting to how this offseason has played out? What do you truly think this clubhouse thinks? I believe Cal's words were, I'm not going to speak for this clubhouse. I don't think it's appropriate for me

[00:03:41] to disclose that and I just don't think I'm going to comment on that. Wink, wink, wink, what we actually think but it's along the lines of early in the offseason. Everything you expect

[00:03:54] to hear from as it was put on the internet, a leader, right? Like Cal's a leader, he's the adult in the room. He's going to lead this clubhouse despite how old he is in third full

[00:04:06] season in the big leagues upcoming here in 2024. So that's what Cal sort of had to do, right? He had to give people like not another chance to get riled up and get pissed and to flood our comment section

[00:04:21] with thing like, oh, Cal said the roof's burning down. I can't take another week of the offseason. Like Cal said it's all over. If Cal Raleigh comes out on Seattle Sports and just start

[00:04:31] saying like, I hate it here. I want to get traded. I can't stand this ownership group. Then well, I don't want to be a baseball fan anymore. I can't do it and Cal's like, okay guys,

[00:04:41] you know, I think some of us can be calm and reserved and perhaps not say everything that might get that everyone wants to hear at this very moment because it's really just not going to benefit anyone in the situation. It certainly will benefit anyone on the roster.

[00:04:59] And like think of it this way, Mariners are trying to attract free agents right now somehow, not with the checkbook. So with not when they don't have the checkbook to attract free agents,

[00:05:13] they want to attract. Hey look at our clubhouse. Would you want to go to a clubhouse or the clubhouse leaders actively calling out ownership for not giving a shit? No, no, you wouldn't. Correct.

[00:05:27] And maybe then in that case, the tone would change once we get to spring training if they've still done nothing by then but maybe at the point where it's mid-December and you're

[00:05:36] still hoping to bring some good names in, then they're trying to be as kind of keep information as close to the vest as they possibly can about how they're feeling so far. And with the hope that

[00:05:47] maybe ownership will have a changing of the guard and the front office will be given the reins to go out and make some moves in the next few weeks because you're right. Like it certainly

[00:05:55] can't help if Cal Raleigh is going on the radio and saying this sucks but how he's really feeling I can't imagine he's all that inspired by what's gone down so far this winter.

[00:06:06] In the end, I think we have to remember that the roster is not in charge of roster changes, period. Like go listen to that interview and listen to how Brokensal who are two very veteran

[00:06:18] people on the radio in terms of interviewing and talking to athletes of how they talk about the interview and just think about how they would have talked to Jerry if they had Jerry

[00:06:29] on instead. You know Jerry it's going to be all about the personnel, it's going to be all about the moves, it's going to be all about they would ask him about free agency probably won't

[00:06:37] comment on them but they'll definitely ask. But Cal you know it's more about him than it is about the rest of the roster because the guys on the roster they control themselves and they can

[00:06:49] kind of control the vibe in the clubhouse but they can't add people into the clubhouse. So in the end what Cal also said we got to control what we can control right now

[00:07:00] kind of off of scott's these are the cards we've been dealt comments but it's right for Cal. He's correct on that and he did what was necessary to give us a not chaotic week before Christmas.

[00:07:14] See I think a lot of people figured when Cal was going on the radio this week it was going to be because he had some more thoughts to get off his chest but now hearing the way he

[00:07:22] talked during that interview what are the chances somebody with the Mariners actually set him up to do that interview saying hey this offseason so far between the fan base between the way the

[00:07:32] media is talking about us has been a nightmare can you go on the radio and try to diffuse any of it what do you think the odds of that are? I think pretty low. I don't think this was a team ask like

[00:07:42] how often do you how often does a team ask players to do media in the offseason like not that often unless it's like something really big usually they're not like usually they're not

[00:07:54] jump and head over heels to say hey Cal can you can you go up here on like king five tonight? This team is also not deaf they may not they might not be making the moves people want to

[00:08:05] see a make right now but they're not deaf because all you have to do is open the newspaper or open Twitter to see the discourse of what's going on right now and again like they might be getting

[00:08:14] dragged more than any team in baseball right now so I'm sure the team knows that and I'm sure they want to try to control the narrative of their own franchise so I don't know maybe maybe

[00:08:26] they didn't ask Cal to do it I just wouldn't be shocked if they did. If they asked Cal to do it I don't know if that was the specific message I think if there's anything people want to hear

[00:08:35] is they want to be reassured of the guys they have on the roster which if you're not going to add at very least you want to be confident in the guys you have that they're you know

[00:08:43] working to be better and that they're good guys and that they're a team that you can root for really and in the end Cal still wants that he doesn't want no one showing up at the ballpark

[00:08:53] that makes it no fun for him at all he wants fans to still feel confident that they're going to go out and watch Good Product in 2024 and again as part of a team leader that's his responsibility

[00:09:05] he mentioned in that interview I mean how much he appreciates the fans and how much he appreciates the city of Seattle and supporting this team well it's his part as well in the off season

[00:09:14] throughout all these turbulent times to show his support to the fans as well whether it be through a radio interview in the off season from wherever he's spending his off season I think Florida

[00:09:23] I'm not totally sure but like you get that like it's sort of a like a give and go here in the off season where Cal is now doing his responsibility as a member of this team to to help out the

[00:09:36] fans a little bit yeah he did what he was asked to do that's for sure now on another note when on earth is this team going to start making some moves it's mid-December here

[00:09:48] well um when the budget when the the suggested when the AAVs of the free agents dropped below 20 I think yeah I mean if Jung who Lee is getting who we'll talk about in our MOB wrap

[00:10:05] around he's getting an AAV of a little bit under 20 million dollars for a KBO bat a KBO hitter the KBO as we've highlighted you can go back into our episode of that when we talked about Jung

[00:10:18] who Lee and like you and I very easily articulated the the the um the success of KBO athletes in Major League Baseball and to see that number is as you said floor it was flooring to see

[00:10:31] the number there were Jung who Lee so if that's the bidding number that bats are starting at and that's what the Mariners need at this moment might be waiting a little bit if they're trying to sign

[00:10:41] somebody well I will say the trademark it did get kicked off today another topic we'll talk about in our wrap around that might will help that will help you know I'd like to see the Mariners

[00:10:51] sign JD Martinez well I kind of like I kind of like what you're thinking at well well do you have a bigger pitch on on JD Martinez what's your pitch on JD Martinez I do and if we're going

[00:11:04] to get into our first topic here of JD Martinez and the fit with the Mariners here it is he's not going back to the Dodgers the Dodgers kind of have a DH now and if you want to listen to us talk

[00:11:14] about the Dodgers new DH we did a reactionary show on Saturday that's about 20 minutes you can go back and listen to that so JD's probably going somewhere else why can't it be Seattle

[00:11:24] this guy hits the ball extremely hard he has a 10 year track record of success he just came off a great 2023 and the Mariners need bats I oh oh and by the way I don't think he's going to cost that

[00:11:36] much sign me up for this guy what do you qualify not costing that much okay he would cost a lot in the Mariners but I'm I'm thinking like I don't know two year deal somewhere between 20 to 24 million

[00:11:51] I said three for 45 oh so you're going higher okay so thinking about thinking about the the inflation on bats this offseason yeah fair but would you pay JD that money yeah dude this guy has the best

[00:12:07] looking baseball savante page I think I've ever seen I sent you the screenshot yesterday of his year by year expected stats well it is a wall of red a wall yeah the only thing that was kind of missing

[00:12:23] from that page is if you look at his 2023 profile he struck out a little bit more than he usually does and he wasn't walking quite as much but it's not Teosca Hernandez levels of strikeouts

[00:12:34] and walks and in fact his track record says he is not that guy and when you look at everything else he does oh my god he just he just crushes baseballs left and right like nothing

[00:12:43] phases that guy he's 30 he just finishes age 35 season he's still hitting the ball as hard as ever here's what I'm going to say on JD Martinez looking at his batted ball profile if he were

[00:12:54] to sign in Seattle and fail I give up I would officially turn in my fandom card and say I'm retiring obviously the players cannot hit in this ballpark I don't know what needs to change

[00:13:09] but something needs to because JD Martinez if you just take a look there's nothing there's no weakness really in his profile before this season there really was no no weakness in in his hitting

[00:13:23] profile this dude hits the ball hard he hits the barrel consistency he hits the sweet spot consistency has expected batting is high his quality of contact is high his expected slugging

[00:13:33] is high as well and you know he just DHS we finally have heard the Mariners say we will put a DH squarely in the DH spot we're not going to platoon guys we're not going to rotate guys and

[00:13:44] we're going to put a just a DH there if we can and JD Martinez would have been a fantastic person in the DH spot last year and even though he has some strikeout problems this

[00:13:55] year he would be a good fit in that DH spot here's the drawback and here's the reason why they wouldn't sign him Lyle after watching what the Mariners did at the plate last season and they struck out way

[00:14:06] too much staring at a 30 soon to be 36 year old JD Martinez in the box in 2023 striking out 31% of the time that's going to make even with this batted ball profile that's going to

[00:14:20] make jury to Poto wins and make jury to Poto a little more hesitant as to adding JD Martinez given the moves they've made this offseason probably a little bit but again it's not like

[00:14:31] Teosca Hernandez because while Teo always hit the ball hard he had a history of striking out and he never walked JD Martinez isn't like that now I understand that he his walk rate was down

[00:14:41] and his K rate was up this past year but who's to say you can't turn that around next year because usually for the most part of JD's career especially about this 10-year stretch

[00:14:50] when he's been really good he strikes out in the low to mid 20s range which is certainly manageable and he walks more at about eight or nine percent of the time which is a round league average maybe

[00:15:00] slightly above league average honestly there's been some years where he walked 10% of the time or more but those are those days are probably behind him I don't see why you can't get back

[00:15:08] to that like this is only one year he had kind of he had some issues with strikeouts and walks and it wasn't even the level that Teo had it with so who's to say he can't rebound

[00:15:17] but here's the optics I want to think about first of all think of when the timing of the year the timing of the year is his age 35 season his oldest season bat speed slows down

[00:15:30] eye at the plate isn't quite as good isn't as sharp again when you lose bat speed you're gonna have to cheat a little bit more and you might chase a little bit more often

[00:15:38] I don't think I'm as optimistic as you is that his swing and miss will go away I mean I looked at some of his swing rates his swing rates on fan graphs and there wasn't really

[00:15:50] that much change his chase rate stayed almost the exact same his swinging inside and outside the zone pretty much stayed the exact same as they were in the past in his past season where he struck

[00:16:04] out 24% of the time in 2022 the only thing that changes he just stopped hitting pitches at its own and what that tells me is that his bat speed was not good enough to catch to

[00:16:15] hit pitches that were not in the strike zone which for someone who doesn't chase is not an issue but JD Martinez chases he has chased in his career he's sometimes been a decent walk guy but

[00:16:27] that hasn't stopped him from swinging at pitches out of the strike zone but now that he can't catch up to some of these pitches out of the strike zone that is an issue he might

[00:16:35] not strike out 31% of the time he might strike out a little bit less 28 27% but I think Jerry would think that is a little bit high as well and it's hard I will say it is very hard to have as productive

[00:16:49] a season that JD Martinez had in 2023 while striking out that much a 135 WRC plus made an all-star game as a hitter despite striking out that much that's pretty difficult to do

[00:17:00] and pretty difficult to repeat I was just about to throw the WRC plus numbers out there what about the fact he just had that good of an offensive season what about the fact that outside of a 2020

[00:17:12] that you can just throw out the window because I don't really count 2020 for anybody it was such a weird year his lowest WRC plus over the last decade or so was 119 which was in 2022

[00:17:24] you know what I would say if JD Martinez was going to put up a 120 WRC plus with the Mariners sign me right up Teosca Hernandez did not do that his WRC plus was not 120 if it had been I think people

[00:17:34] would have been pretty happy with the guy okay so if you're asking me if I would sign JD Martinez yes I would still sign JD Martinez so like let's just get that out of the way would Jerry sign

[00:17:45] JD Martinez given the moves and the philosophical change they have done this offseason well like I think you and I know the answer to this but if you're going to strike out 27%

[00:17:56] of the time and pair that with a 125 to 130 WRC plus is that not worth it they need offense yeah it is I think it's worth it but do they think it's worth it I'm asking Jerry I'm sorry

[00:18:06] I'm not trying to send this back at you I'm trying to speak this into the into the podcast verse and hope somehow Jerry hears it one day that even if he's going to strike out 27 ish

[00:18:17] percent of the time which again is a little high but it's not what Gino and Theo and Kellnick and Ford were doing last year if you're going to strike out 27% of the time

[00:18:26] and put up a WRC plus of 130 how do you not sign up for that it's a good question that's a good question I would sign up for it I'd give him a three-year deal if you wanted to because

[00:18:38] as I've said and I think of state consistent on this podcast I really don't care about the money down the road because because as these years have gone on and the Mariners have continued to underwhelm it really two years down the road does not matter next year matters

[00:18:51] and next year they could really really use JD Martinez heck when we talked about JD Martinez last offseason on this podcast I think we both agreed they should give him a shot and they did

[00:19:02] not and he signed a one-year ten million dollar deal ultra affordable with the Dodgers and he did this and to be honest he would have fit right in with the Mariners last season he would have

[00:19:13] fit right in you're telling me that instead of having AJ Pollock on a one-year seven million dollar deal deal they could have JD on a one-year ten million dollar deal I'm talking about AJ

[00:19:26] Pollock dog I'm talking about the goat I'm thinking I'm thinking what I wrote I wrote a rather have it had AJ Pollock what am I saying I'm kidding I'm kidding I would not have Tommy

[00:19:37] Lestella you wouldn't have rather had Tommy yeah exactly I'm just saying if AJ was the biggest free agent contract the Mariners that ever Jerry had ever given to a Mariners position player at seven

[00:19:50] million bucks why couldn't they have just given it to JD Martinez at 10 or 12 because they would have made the playoffs with JD you would have DH'd all the time they wouldn't have this platoon

[00:20:01] of DHS who are just supposed to be utility guys well listen they've got a chance for redemption here because while JD's now going to be more expensive they can still sign them he's still out there he needs a new team and a team that needs some bats

[00:20:18] yeah they have a chance at redemption uh they're gonna pay they're gonna overpay because of it like they they probably will as we've said the market is a little inflated on hitters this offseason if they wanted him in a market rate probably should have paid him last offseason

[00:20:32] like we said but instead they are gonna have to pay the tax of waiting in offseason too long it's like they did with Nelson Cruz all the way back 10 years ago don't forget the Seattle tax too

[00:20:45] uh it's hard to attract free agents and playing in this ballpark so they're gonna have to overpay other teams a bid for them too yep yeah well mr. Stanton the ball is in your court

[00:20:56] Jerry we've made our case but yeah uh JD Martinez we would we would sign on and here here's the endorsement you need Lyle for all of our listeners and for you my co-host to feel confident that the Mariners should get JD Martinez John Heyman said that the Mariners

[00:21:15] should be interested in in JD Martinez now our favorite our absolute favorite hey he came out he came out in support of the fans this week and he was like yeah they should probably spend more money

[00:21:29] wow Heyman Heyman trying to right his wrongs with the pacific northwest natives but the Mariners are faithful he's trying to turn the page who thought we'd ever see the day not me not me but you know what if that's the stance John Heyman is going to take

[00:21:46] for once in my life I will say John Heyman I agree with you and even as we wrap this up if you want to just throw a couple more stats that are a little more basic out there JD Martinez

[00:21:56] hit 33 bombs last year he's hit 30 plus doubles and four of his last five full seasons this guy's career OPS is 874 and his last decade of ball has been pretty unreal so sure he's getting old

[00:22:09] strikeouts are growing up I don't care and I'm also kind of done outside of the fact that they have this stupid payroll limitation which should not be a thing I'm kind of done caring about or worrying about John Stanton's money or the Mariners ownership group's money Chris Larson

[00:22:24] everybody else they should just go pay good players period the yeah they should and even if JD Martinez hits a career low WRC plus next season let's say he goes below his career low

[00:22:37] 119 or in the last decade sorry his low is 119 even if he goes 115 do you think of how monumental of an upgrade that is like that is staggering that's about a 10 to 12 percent

[00:22:50] upgrade over tail which is yes in upgrade I'm not even talking tail I'm talking to DH spot oh well then you're talking like 30 30 to 40 if if not more and again when I say the last decade

[00:23:04] when we when we give you these numbers over the last decade we're throwing out 2020 because he had a really bad 2020 but I'm not we're not counting that because again it was such a weird

[00:23:12] year and we're kind of we're throwing out his Astros years to where by the way he if you don't know JD Martinez's story he got cut by the Astros they like let him go as a free agent and the

[00:23:23] Tigers signed him as they signed him as a minor league free agent I think I have to look it up yeah and it was either that or he got a very small big lead contract and then he turned

[00:23:34] into a star yeah and he did and he uh man he turned into a absolute star and he has been one of the best players in baseball since he debuted one of the best hitters in baseball I'll

[00:23:45] say he's a DH so I don't know if you can say player but hitters absolutely and we have our full endorsement for JD Martinez before we get to our MLB wrap around a word from simply Seattle

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[00:24:57] Seattle let's get to our MLB wrap around up first on the wrap around we talked about the signing itself on Saturday's episode and now here today Lyle we're going to dive into Shohay O'Taney's contract and what is by far the most unique contract ever signed in major league

[00:25:24] baseball let's just kick it off with this he signed a 10-year 700 million dollar deal on Saturday 680 million dollars of it is deferred until the contract is up in 2034 unreal he is making two million dollars a year off that contract for the next 10 seasons

[00:25:47] does it matter to show hey probably not because the guy makes 40 to 50 million dollars a year in endorsements so if you want to factor in the contract from the Dodgers and the two million a

[00:25:56] year he'll get and then all his endorsement money he's still the highest paid player in baseball so he probably doesn't care that the fact that it's going to be 10 years from now when he

[00:26:05] starts getting the real lump sum of that contract in the bulk of it basically after he's done playing and after his time with the Dodgers has ended but yeah he's still gonna be making a

[00:26:15] ton of money and the fact that Dodgers set this contract up like this it's pretty wild there are some unique specifications that we're going to get into here about it but very very

[00:26:27] wisely set up by the Dodgers so if you're not aware of how this I would say it's essentially a tax evasion the Dodgers are doing legal tax evasion on the salary cap on the on the luxury

[00:26:39] tax threshold that's essentially what this contract is doing show he is doing this so the Dodgers can sign as many players as possible and you might think if you haven't read or seen

[00:26:49] it how did they get away with only paying show he'll Tony two million dollars a year unless that's what he specifically agreed to well the Dodgers have to pay they have to pay the tax amount on

[00:27:03] what the value of that money is currently worth year by year of that contract so the current value of his deferred money which is 10 for 680 million dollars is 46 million dollars a year in current day money so that's the number that's the tax number that the Dodgers still

[00:27:22] have to pay they still have to take 44 million dollars and they have to put it in like an escrow account so it grows to 68 million dollars so when they have to pay show hey in 10 years

[00:27:36] that money is there and waiting for him so they can't just get around the salary cap by paying him two million dollars a year after agreeing to a 70 million dollar a year contract but the

[00:27:46] craziest thing about this is that even when you take the escrow numbers and the current day value of that contract while it is still the biggest contract in baseball history it is still it still beats Mike Trout's contract by 34 million dollars even the fact that it's deferred

[00:28:04] for 10 seasons takes quite a player to get a deal like that now in case anybody's still a little confused on how this contract is going to work for show hey the guys the guys at the just

[00:28:15] baseball show peter apple arm leighton obviously friends of the pod they've been on with us they did a really good breakdown of this contract in a little bit of a longer form than tj and i are

[00:28:23] going to do so if you want more details on this we certainly recommend you go listen to them but here's basically the easiest way we can dumb the contract the contract down for anybody who's

[00:28:33] still a little bit confused show hey himself is going to make two million dollars a year that parts true the Dodgers still have to fork up 46 million dollars a year to the tax so the Dodgers

[00:28:45] are not getting away with only giving up two million a year for the next 10 years they still have to give up 46 million per season now that's less than paying 70 per year and paying the 46

[00:28:55] still frees them up a little bit to go sign some other guys but it's not quite the 70 and they're also not getting away with literally only paying him 2 million a year because the narrative

[00:29:04] right now on social media and on tv and whatever else is oh show hey the Dodgers only have to pay show hey 2 million a year for the next 10 years look at all these fringe big leaders making more

[00:29:13] next year than show hey well it's not quite like that the Dodgers still have to pay 46 million dollars a year due to show hey to the tax so less than 70 but it's still a decent amount

[00:29:24] it's still bizarre to look that in terms of cash value though show hey is the 17th highest paid player on the Dodgers 17 17th highest paid player think about it like this they say I mean if you want to go down this road they say one war is worth

[00:29:41] eight million bucks so in that regard show hey has to put up like what a point two war to live up to his contract this next year in the next 10 years and make two million bucks he's to play the

[00:29:51] first series of the season and that's it yeah and then you can just sit out but yeah it is it is wild I will say I think my favorite thing that I've seen over the last few days regarding all the show hey

[00:30:03] contract stuff was the guy who put together that wolf of wall street clip that used leo de caprio's voice to totally AI his voice but talking about show hey's contract and it's the scene where

[00:30:15] they're all on the golf course and then they get back to the office and it's like some lawyers from major league baseball came down to the office and and tried to check this all out but we turned

[00:30:24] the air conditioning up and then it cuts back to actually Leonardo DiCaprio playing Jordan Belfort for like five seconds where he says you're probably asking yourself was all of this legal

[00:30:35] absolutely fucking not so if you want to go look up that clip it's not very hard to find on twitter because it is surface beyond belief over the last few days it's very well put together

[00:30:47] I will say to the guy who made it so I've gotten a laugh out of that what's also pretty bizarre about this contract do you remember renaldo's contract he signed with the the soddy team do you remember

[00:30:58] that three four six seventy four yeah like this contract is bigger than that it's like it's the biggest contract a pro athlete of a team sport has ever signed which is it's insane like they

[00:31:12] they did line up like renaldo's contract next to it now again if renaldo signed a 10-year deal with the soddy league he easily would have would have broken that but he only signed a three-year deal

[00:31:23] so shohei still does have the upper hand it that just bizarre that major league baseball which is thrown around some pretty ridiculous numbers in these long term extensions is the league on top

[00:31:33] like not the highest revenue league not the most watched league in the world not the most global sport in the world but still they have one of the most notable global athletes playing their

[00:31:43] game and he is now being compensated accordingly I wonder how much money the Dodgers made as soon as he inked the ink the contract on Saturday like how much money that contract came back to them

[00:31:53] in endorsements and in advertisements and inquiries and all this stuff how like how much do you think they made back in the first let's say weeks since now well you saw the

[00:32:06] the note about the jersey sales the dude set a record by fanatics in the first 48 hours that his jersey went on sale so that alone is already making the Dodgers back a ton of money did you see the

[00:32:16] price of opening day was it 800 bucks I saw double oh it's 1600 bucks yeah we're like a yeah if we're like a standing room only seat see this is what I mean while I'm still sad he's not going to be

[00:32:29] a mariner and if you want my reactionary video to that that is on our social media pages but if you're just talking about the two of us being baseball fans this is fantastic for the sport

[00:32:39] I know a lot of people are not happy went to the Dodgers they're forming a super team quote on quote but you know what this is very very good for baseball not only is he going to be in the

[00:32:47] playoffs every year but have you seen how much baseball and shohei have been talked about over the last week and especially like since the day the crazy flight tracking stuff happened baseball's on people's radars now like people that don't follow baseball are now following

[00:33:01] baseball and they're following shohei which is a very very good thing speaking of that Friday can can we just take a moment the fact that shohei mentioned that he was sitting on the couch with

[00:33:12] his dog decoy by the way in case people were wondering decoy ironically named for the fact that there was a decoy flight that flight on Friday to Toronto that he was sitting on his

[00:33:22] couch laughing at as he's seeing the world meltdown okay I don't know if that's actually why he named the dog decoy I know it's not but it's a very funny coincidence it is a funny

[00:33:34] coincidence friend of the pod Jason Stark put that out there saying oh so he named his dog after the flight to Toronto but um but yeah I mean so I guess that the truth comes out about his dog's name

[00:33:46] and all that but yeah that that was hilarious to hear that show he saw all this stuff happening and he's just sitting on his couch he's like well they think I'm on a flight to Toronto those

[00:33:56] morons or whatever now he didn't like it's like should we tell him it's like you know like let them have a little bit more fun again shohei's too nice to actually say that out loud but again like the fact he did admit he was kind of sitting there

[00:34:10] to himself laughing hearing all these rumors was pretty funny to hear do you think he called you say about the sushi restaurant he's like dude do you know what they're saying about your

[00:34:19] sushi reservation oh man yeah I again this is this is good for baseball like like the fact he's going to be in a big market he's going to be in the post season like this is what the sport

[00:34:32] needs and if you're just talking about growing the game while we're sad he's not going to be a mariner this is this is a good thing there's a couple of their other interesting stipulations

[00:34:41] in his contract first of all he's guaranteed to have his interpreter which is great great for his interpreter he gets uh his interpreters guarantee guaranteed his whole contract second he gets a suite not shocking all regular season and post season games that's fantastic for all

[00:35:00] of his family and probably his interpreter if he's not the dugout actually knows interpreter would be in the dugout you're right I was gonna say ebay sits in the dugout ebay who's his

[00:35:09] interpreter sits right okay well ebay's family and and shohei's family gets a suite every single game the third one which was by far the most interesting I really don't think we've ever seen this

[00:35:21] there's a clause in the contract that if Andrew Friedman or owner who's the president of baseball operations or mark walter who's the principal owner of the Dodgers uh they get fired or

[00:35:35] change roles shohei can opt out of his contract I've never seen that it's crazy that is that mark walter and Andrew Friedman I guess it doesn't matter to mark walter he's the owner but

[00:35:48] Andrew Friedman has to be hyped he's like I just secured my own job security for the next 10 years not ever gonna fire me no and not that Andrew Friedman was ever getting fired anyway he might

[00:35:59] be the best GM slash president of baseball ops in the whole sport at this point but it's still nice to have the security it's like well we have the best player on the planet so I'm not going

[00:36:08] anywhere and now there's a clause in the contract saying I'm not going anywhere so do you think Andrew Friedman was sitting down at the table and shohei and his agent are going over

[00:36:15] things who would like and I'm just imagining the the jeruski meme where he's like we're sitting at the table and show he's like oh yeah we want uh we want guaranteed you guys guaranteed

[00:36:26] employment here in and Friedman's like me yeah me yeah oh man yeah okay I've got two more quick things on shohei before we move to the next topic number one could the Mariners have

[00:36:41] done this deal could they have done the deferred money type of deal where they pay shohei the two million a year the 46 million to the tax and then in 10 years you know what this ownership can sell

[00:36:52] the team maybe they'll sell it sooner than that could they have done it I'm gonna say no let me tell you why I'm gonna say no the Dodgers and their pitch to show hey ohtani outlined to him

[00:37:04] we have made the playoffs 10 times in the last decade and we have one ring after all of that we have one ring and we qualify that as a disappointment and shohei said he was so glad to hear how

[00:37:20] committed to winning they were now well I'm not a hot take artist but I'm not sure that line of talking would have come out of the same meeting with the Mariners well considering they missed the playoffs this year and said the season was a success probably not

[00:37:38] that like that ends the conversation right there in theory could do you think they could have put up enough equity to defer 680 million dollars of current day money yes yeah yeah like how much is

[00:37:52] root sports worth I don't know it seems to be just decreasing by the day okay well if root sports was worth 500 million dollars and they found a way if anyone is actually a a loan expert

[00:38:05] that listens to this please comment on this video and tell me if I'm wrong or if you're listening on podcast go to youtube and comment tell me if I'm an idiot like you could you can take out

[00:38:14] a loan and then put up the equity of your business against the loan so the bank obviously has something to hold on to while you pay back that loan I think they can uh you know taken out

[00:38:27] taken out a little bit it's like a home equity loan except it's for root sports northwest well that and like we talked about with shohei this contract is going to pay for itself so him just

[00:38:37] being here would have made the mariners a ton of money so yes they would have had the funds to pay them if they'd actually signed them yeah um do I think they could have paid them yes

[00:38:46] do I think the conversation would have ended as we missed the playoffs it's a success yes that we would have ended right there he would have walked right out of the room gotten back on his

[00:38:55] private jet and flew back down to LA here's the last thing I want to wrap up with the show hey before we move on I'm sure most baseball fans agree with us on this but I just want to continue

[00:39:06] to push this narrative as much as possible he is the best athlete on planet earth he's not just the best baseball player on planet earth he's the best athlete on the planet and if

[00:39:14] you're out there and you're going to say patrick mahomes my response to that is if patrick mahomes decides one day he wants to become a defensive end and starts playing mica parson's level defense on the defensive side of the ball then we will begin the conversation

[00:39:29] of shohei versus patrick mahomes like we're not even having it right now we'll begin it if that happened or if killian m bop a big soccer star for anybody who doesn't know the name also

[00:39:38] decides one day you know what I want to start being a goalie and then he also becomes a top five goalie in the world we will begin the conversation but until then it's not even close

[00:39:48] it's shohei I agree yeah so congrats to you shohei it is quite a contract and as everybody would agree with your you're more than worth it all right second storyline a little bit less money

[00:40:03] to this next player but still gets a sizable contract jung huli korean superstar signs a six-year 113 million dollar deal with the with the san francisco giants a team that has been begging

[00:40:13] for somebody to take their money they said erin judge take our money he declined they said carlos korea take our money he accepted that had bad medicals and it fell through they said they said

[00:40:23] shohei please take our money he said no finally they get somebody to say yes and it is jung huli yeah apparently they offered everything the dodgers did the exact monetary amount so interesting note there and it's not like the giants are lacking in cash they have

[00:40:39] they have plenty and they were able to give give some to jung huli and like let's put this into some perspective as he signs a six-year 113 million dollar deal MLB trade rumors projected five years

[00:40:53] 50 million dollars for jung huli and he doubled it that's a lot that's a lot for a guy who if you go back to the show we profile them for the mariners sake we said yeah i'm not sold on that guy

[00:41:07] the giants apparently feel differently that would be a lot for an mpb guy yeah like is it weird at all that jung huli never decided he wanted to play a year or two in japan rather than korea because

[00:41:21] it is a step up and i feel like if he had posted these type of numbers in japan maybe then more people would be like all right let's take this guy a little more seriously there might be some

[00:41:30] rules around that especially like pre pre age 25 okay and then that would make sense yeah like that would make sense and again if you want to hear a full breakdown of jung huli we did highlight him

[00:41:42] back in episode 67 we did our full profile of him which we're not going to do right here but again high contact decent power kb o again is a little bit above double a in terms of competition

[00:41:54] there the kb o which is why this is kind of staggering of giving a guy 113 million dollars guaranteed there's an opt out after four years for lee by the way but the competition in the kb o is

[00:42:08] significantly lower than major league baseball and e crush kb o competition don't get us wrong but it's like giving a very very very very good double a player 113 million dollars guaranteed and some people might shy away from this the mariners would have never done this contract

[00:42:24] they would have never shelled out this kind of money for a kb o guy this is not a perfect example right because lee plays a much more valuable position than the guy i'm about to name and

[00:42:36] he's sustained success in his own league more than the guy i'm about to name but just for the sake of talking about somewhat of a comparison could you imagine the mariners coming out tomorrow and saying we're giving tyler locklear a six-year 113 million dollar contract like pre-arb extension

[00:42:54] i would ask them like you guys have claimed to have no money and then you just lit 113 million dollars on fire i don't know if i quite say on fire like maybe locklear ends up being good but

[00:43:05] that is that would be a ridiculous contract to pay a guy that's never a little bit of ptsd from signing arkansas first baseman to six-year contracts sorry who could you ever be talking about hmm yeah who knows yeah apparently that contract didn't really mean that much lyle according

[00:43:27] to no no according to everybody that that that told us other yeah that told us no like you guys don't know what you're talking about you don't know ball anyway jung huli at the very least he's

[00:43:39] probably not going to strike out a lot his strikeout rate may go up a little because he's gonna go from the kb o to the big leagues where the pitching is better he should be a high

[00:43:47] contact guy like like he makes a ton of contact like we've talked about but the other thing here is how long is it going to take him to get acclimated is it going to take him a year two years to

[00:43:57] really get his feet under him in the big leagues because if that's the case you're paying that guy a lot of money to essentially learn on the fly like i am not confident personally that he

[00:44:06] is just going to snap his fingers and figure it out right away i think it may i think he may have some growing pains to to cause him kim has some kim a year yeah plus and he's pretty good

[00:44:17] now but he's not really awesome kim i mean still is not an elite offensive player he's a good all around player which i think is what the giants hope that jung huli will be because he's a center

[00:44:29] fielder and he plays a position of immense value and you know they don't have a center fielder so like at some point you kind of got to overpay and hope the best comes out of him that he can hit

[00:44:40] on top of playing good center field defense because the giants had 11 different center fielder's last year and they're like you know what maybe it's worth taking a risk to overpay a guy and hope he works out as the guy i will remind people jung huli fractured his ankle

[00:44:59] back in july which is not the easiest injury in the world to come back from so we'll see what his center field defense looks like once he hits the majors he should be okay i'm guessing the giants

[00:45:09] felt more than comfortable about his medicals if they gave him the money that they did and even still it's just something to keep note of it is a serious injury and and we'll see how he bounces

[00:45:18] back to it and the giants do have again the cash reserves to take a hit if things don't work out i would say like they have quite a bit of money they could spend i think they're still 45

[00:45:31] million dollars away from the bottom tier of of tax cap like a they could add on top of them but be there you know they just don't struggle with cash and and having dead money like that so again it

[00:45:42] wouldn't really be the end of the world and overall aav it's under 20 million a year that's not the end of the world so they feel like jung huli is worth the risk i'm fascinated to see if

[00:45:54] he'll work out i think at the very least he'll be a league average hitter and play some solid defense in center field which you know depending on the defense could be worth 18 million dollars a

[00:46:05] year which is totally fine for them yeah for sure okay let's go to our final subject on the mlb wrap around this one coming in at the buzzer this evening the los angeles dodgers and

[00:46:19] tampa bay rays are in agreement on a trade to send right-handed pitcher tyler glass now an outfielder manual manual margo to the dodgers for right hander ryan pepio and outfielder johnny deluca uh before we actually dive into the meat of this trade i'd just like to acknowledge

[00:46:40] that there are up there is one player from each of our two summer league teams when we were calling games in the cape league involved in this trade very very interesting and very very small world

[00:46:52] of this trade to be but i thought that was uh that was pretty cool johnny deluca played on the team i called games for and ryan pepio who i mean you you've talked to quite a few times um was on the

[00:47:04] team that that you call a game source so that that's kind of funny yeah and it's both the guys going back to the rays that relate to us which yeah i mean pepio and i still keep in touch it's a

[00:47:15] some extent again i saw him when he was here in september with the dodgers and caught up with him a little bit which was cool and now hopefully he gets his chance with the rays too because the

[00:47:23] problem there with the dodgers was even though ryan was throwing really well the dodgers just have so many arms that it's hard to crack that rotation now with the rays you would think

[00:47:32] he's gonna slot into the rotation and get a real chance to actually throw a real workload innings which which good for him but on the dodger side they get a very very good arm

[00:47:41] who they think they're gonna extend in tyler glass now i'm gonna give a shout out to johnny deluca too i remember when i watched him and and and sorry well i'm gonna be honest i wasn't

[00:47:50] a believer in man he's he's turned out to be like a stat cast darling oh up here at the big league level oh and he's crushed every level of the minor leagues like like look at what deluca's done

[00:48:01] every year in the minors over the last three seasons 2021 867 opus 2022 888 opus 2023 956 opus some dude out of oregon who was sharing some time out in the widey red sox outfield yeah he that was the team you called games for i should say yeah he's he's crushed it through

[00:48:21] the minors yeah and shout out to him and now again he's gonna get an opportunity with some outfield time being freed up and in tampa he's gonna go there and i feel like he'll succeed

[00:48:30] and i feel like ryan pepio will succeed so let's talk about the dodger side of this trade because i think that's where everyone's circling to the rumors earlier this week is that it was going

[00:48:39] to be glass now and randia rosarana headed to la but it's not going to be the case it's going to be margo and tyler glass now the meat of this is tyler glass now and if he can stay healthy

[00:48:51] which has been a problem in his career a tyler glass now cannot stay on the mount he has a lot of trouble staying on the mount the good thing is the dodgers can keep him on the mound

[00:49:03] he is one of the better pitchers in baseball when he can i mean he's only throws two pitches but when he is on with his fastball which goes up to 98 99 100 miles an hour and his curve ball

[00:49:12] which is an ultimate hammer he's a stud and the dodgers develop pitching almost as good as the rays do and they could tweak something here tweak something there perhaps keep him healthy

[00:49:25] and potentially if they can get him up to like 180 innings have a true all-star caliber stud that they traded for his curve ball was as good in 2023 as it's ever been he threw it more than ever in

[00:49:38] 23 and guys started hitting 095 against it i mean his curve ball has been good in the past but 23 something clicked even a step further than it was already going so tyler glass now

[00:49:52] going to the Dodgers feels like a recipe for success i feel like he's going to be really good when he's there and that Dodgers rotation now it is walker beuler tyler glass now bobby miller

[00:50:02] and there's still room for those guys to add they'll probably get clayton kershaw back and sign him for when he returns mid season i can't imagine he goes anywhere else but there are still opportunities for that team to add one to two more arms and we know

[00:50:15] they're in on yamamoto yeah and again this is what people feared as we mentioned in the show hey thing when they were when show hey gave them this kind of flexibility that they were going to be able to

[00:50:27] go acquire these guys and the fact that they had to give up pepio and deluca i mean we pretty much think they're going to give tyler glass now an extension here they're not going to give up

[00:50:38] those assets for only one year of tyler glass to who by the way is going to be free agent after this 2024 season so and they're going to have to pay a steep price on him and he's he's

[00:50:48] just starter who's going to cost upwards of 25 million dollars a year to keep in that rotation and uh i mean even healthy or not that's what that's what the bill is going to be for him so

[00:50:58] they could afford it um but you know that's where the the numbers for show hey kind of works works out for sure well the Dodgers add more it's certainly possible oh also can can we

[00:51:12] clear something up the reason randy or rosarana was rumored to be in this trade is because like i don't think there was ever actually that much of a connection to randy in the trade there might

[00:51:23] have been a report here and they're saying oh like the Dodgers are asking about him but the reason that started to get rumored is because he posted a picture hours after show hey sign of a picture

[00:51:32] of the two of them standing together at the world baseball classic which maybe was just randy's way of congratulating show hey but everybody started to think oh is randy about to be a Dodger

[00:51:42] well it appears that's not to be the case and i'll tell you what if johnny deluca is going to start playing the outfield he's gonna have to take time from somebody maybe they just need to uh

[00:51:52] move on from randy and send him to i don't know just off the top of my head a city on the complete opposite side of the country from tampa

[00:52:00] i think randy was just trolling with that i mean he was having he was having some fun with that i'll say the here's my worry though now so the raised dump salary with glass now essentially this is a salary

[00:52:14] dump for the raise as well they're moving off of i don't know the exact number for glass no but it's a it's a healthy amount because he's in his five year final year of arbitration

[00:52:23] and they get back to guys on rookie contracts so how much more do they need to offload would they feel like like they wouldn't be trading randy for a they wouldn't trade randy to dump salary now

[00:52:35] because they they've dumped the most significant piece they've needed to okay two things off that one glass now is expected to make about 25 million bucks this year because he signed that contract

[00:52:46] it was a it was a two-year 30 and a half million dollar r extension and most of that money is back loaded so he's about to get like 25 million bucks this year number two let me pull this up

[00:52:57] really fast because there's a tweet from daniel kramer today about what exactly you're referencing right now he said the belief has long been that before the raise would make other trades this

[00:53:06] off season such as dealing some of their bats many of which would be strong bits for the mariners sorting out glass now situation must come first they've done that that makes it sound like oh

[00:53:16] they're open to other moves but now that tyler glass now settled we can start talking to other teams i don't know if this totally cuts off the deal with them in terms of trading a

[00:53:25] rosarana or isak korea days in fact now they need more pitching so maybe that sound that in fact encourages it but sounds like yeah i would agree i 100 agree i'm down i think the mariners i think

[00:53:39] the mariners still have a shot go get randy tj's tj's tap in the watch doing the randy watch us on youtube you can see what i'm doing randy rosarana is such a fun personality even

[00:53:52] we talked about this when we when we talked about him the other week but even aside from how good he is on the baseball field he'd be so fun to have on the team i'm down you don't have to

[00:54:00] tell me yeah i am too okay let's get to speak your mind here speak your mind spoke that would be unwise what is necessary is never unwise i think we've got a collaborated speak your

[00:54:20] mind this week we talked about doing this a little bit because for those who don't know if you're going to talk about if we're going to talk about tj and i ourselves and not us doing this podcast but

[00:54:30] us just trying to find our way in sports media we're trying to navigate it just like a lot of people our age are so we thought we'd spend a little bit of time here and and talk about it and talk about

[00:54:40] what each of us are trying to accomplish moving forward including continuing this podcast before but like where do you want to start with this we could really start anywhere well

[00:54:49] we could just give a little bit of background first so you and i are man it's already been almost over almost over three years now since we left college so that three years since we were been ASU

[00:55:02] three one yeah what's up three and a half yeah three and a half yep uh out of school you and i both thought minor league baseball was it pandemic changed that significantly you still ended up

[00:55:15] going to minor league baseball for one year in 2022 uh i have been here in core valis working in radio for uh a little bit over two years now two two and like a third ish so that's where we're at right

[00:55:31] now and we're in a spot of sort of figure thing figuring things out like all transparency like i've been at my this first job which is it is very much a first job i've discussed with my boss about

[00:55:46] you know this he knows how the business works and and first jobs and all that and understand after about you know two years a lot of people who are looking to move up are all ears to other

[00:55:55] opportunities and and seeing how they can grow themselves and you know you're looking for your next opportunity as well lile so it's like we've been in sort of the same state at the same

[00:56:07] time for about the last year while we've been doing this podcast we've been doing plenty of other things like working and networking but more importantly trying to find our next jobs like that

[00:56:17] that's essentially where we have both been at for the last year and i think you and i have learned a lot of valuable things i mean i think first off yeah like talking i've never realized the

[00:56:28] value of talking to people more than i have in the last year of people i had no idea that we're going to be a valuable voice in my life that i've met over the last year just on the phone

[00:56:39] DMing them on twitter linkedin finding their email etc and just getting to talk to them over the phone and them giving me advice and and helping me realize you know what's realistic and what's not over the course of this year has been extremely helpful as well and

[00:56:55] i like i guess that's where i'll start i have so many things i can talk about with this but i think i'll just start with that that i really have picked up some very valuable

[00:57:05] connections in this business and to a point where i feel like i have some very comfortable future landing options here down the road eventually um at places that i would feel confident in because of the the hiring people i've talked to and and the talent as well that

[00:57:22] that makes it feel that way so we thought it would be a fun thing to do this the two of us just kind of dive into where us ourselves are trying to get especially nowadays where we're

[00:57:33] really trying to kind of kick the kick it into high gear with finding our next thing in fact the only thing i have written down in our notes for speak your mind is job searching and sports media

[00:57:42] is ridiculously hard that that is my one note because i knew we'd probably go a bunch of different directions with this but yeah like i think everything you said is is basically along

[00:57:51] the lines of what we've talked about over the last year then on my end after getting back for minor league baseball i realized you know between the day to day the pay the lifestyle is

[00:58:01] like i don't think i can do this for 20 plus years i just can't not for like the swing on a star wish to maybe get to the big leagues one day even if you work as hard as you possibly can at it

[00:58:10] like you do need some luck along the way and back to your point about the the networking and the connections the conversations like i'll i'll piggyback off that and maybe we can start here

[00:58:19] is they always talk about finding jobs in general the who you know part of it means a lot and can help a lot i don't know if i've ever seen a field where it means more than in sports media

[00:58:31] like like just from knowing other people that are in different fields i've heard of plenty of people that are in business or accounting or marketing whatever where you can apply to jobs on linkedin apply to jobs on indeed you'll hear back from people sometimes and you'll get

[00:58:45] interviews off that if you're going to apply to a job on linkedin or indeed or something like that trying to get something in sports media what i basically learned is you're almost wasting your time in a sense because there are so many people that apply to the jobs

[00:58:58] your resume is going to get buried it's never going they're never going to see it it's almost like they just put it up there because they have to put it up there and rather than rather than

[00:59:06] it's actually oh we're looking for applicants based off the people that apply it's usually based off of having prior connections which is what i've learned about sports media is like networking with people it's about as important in this field as i've kind of seen it as i have

[00:59:21] seen it anywhere else and again it's not you shouldn't the thing i've also learned is that when i when i started it's like all right i'm gonna meet someone who's gonna who's gonna hire me because

[00:59:31] that's how i got this job in the first place like i networked with my boss doing the exact same thing i'm i'm doing now i mean we sat there and talked on the on the phone for an hour

[00:59:41] right well when i first reach out to and talk to him like we had an hour long conversation it was like oh yeah i and then eventually i got hired a few months later after the position

[00:59:49] opened up so it's like oh oh great like i'm gonna do the same thing again i'm gonna meet my future boss on the phone well it's not quite that simple and here i am a year into doing that

[01:00:00] and realizing that it is way way way more than just doing that you also have to learn and i think the most important thing you have to learn is like what exactly want to do you

[01:00:10] don't have to like exactly do one thing i don't i think that's kind of kind of an an old way of thinking about things to only do one thing because to be honest like most of these

[01:00:20] companies nowadays are are really shrinking down they're really skimming down their their companies into people who can do more than one thing because they realized paying a lot of people to do a lot

[01:00:30] of things is too expensive and paying a few people to do a lot of things is more the way it doesn't matter if you're in the podcasting business it doesn't matter if you're in the sports

[01:00:38] media business it doesn't matter if you're in radio it doesn't matter if you're uh at a major league baseball team like they all do it all all major businesses will do it that way so it's

[01:00:47] like okay you got to like figure out exactly what you want to do and i would say at least for you know how you and i are at right now and like it's two different paths at this moment

[01:00:58] of what we feel like is our most realistic step next you say you want to go work at like a sports media company uh like list off example like a john boy media for example or something smaller something along those lines something something that does something like

[01:01:14] that meanwhile for me i've been looking at radio jobs around the country and and trying to find it because that's what's on my resume and that's what would stick out the most to a hiring manager hey

[01:01:24] i've already worked at a radio station for two and a half years i know everything that i'm doing and i think that's been very helpful in my search to have a better understanding and more

[01:01:35] importantly i don't know how it's been for you but it's pretty up and down mentally for for looking at this stuff like it sucks it really does suck to to think that you're like

[01:01:47] the amount of times i've sat here and thought i'm like i'm 25 i'm living in corvallis organ i'm looking at all my friends in bigger places doing something that looks way more fun than what

[01:02:00] i'm doing right now on a friday night sitting here i don't know recording the podcast editing something watching tv it's like man that seems fun it's like and you get the question of like

[01:02:12] why am i here like you do ask that question why i'm here but then when you have more conversations with people and you come to a better understanding of what you're doing and what you're actually

[01:02:23] passionate about it definitely helps i'll say and again it helps having a a more clear picture of what you see your future looking like to to move forward and going out i mean i'm really all

[01:02:36] over the place with this but um that i would say yeah well you were talking about like editing the podcast and doing social clips like like you don't like doing it like like i know that's not

[01:02:46] true no it's no it's not like but think of it like it's a friday night oh oh oh you're talking about a friday night specifically okay yes i will say friday and saturday nights are the worst

[01:02:58] they are like it maybe it's an adult thing some people don't do as much once they're older on a friday and saturday night we're so used to in your 20s when you're in college i mean every friday

[01:03:07] and saturday night i mean college was more than that but we'll simple it down to friday and saturday night you're always going to do something always no matter what but then you grow up and you move

[01:03:16] to some small place to go chase a dream and and and you're sitting here working your ass off and it all of a sudden you look up and you you stick your head above water everyone else is is doing

[01:03:26] exactly what you thought you'd be doing and you're sitting here working and it's sometimes it's a tough reality for some people well they do say sports media choose people up and spits people out like we

[01:03:35] have friends who got their sports media sports journalism degrees with us and either didn't even bother to get into the field or just stop because it it was too much on them because the

[01:03:46] hours are crazy obviously the pay on in the early stages is really bad especially minor league baseball which is part of the reason i i didn't end up doing it again not that i'm all about money

[01:03:56] or anything like that i'm not but like to be transparent you make like 1500 bucks a month working 70 hour weeks in minor league baseball and and that's not sustainable for any person to

[01:04:07] live off of so there's also no time to find another job on the side when you're doing that either so yeah it's it's that's just not really sustainable now when you move up in

[01:04:16] minor league baseball sometimes you you can start to make a little bit more you're not rich but you make a little bit more get health insurance what's that you get health insurance

[01:04:25] yeah there you go but yeah it's i think the thing for you about not having as much to do on the weekends is partly the fact you are in corvallis or again in a college town where not a lot of people

[01:04:39] in their 20s after their graduate after they graduate or living there like you talk about how you're the youngest person at your station by 10 to 15 years so yeah i think that i think

[01:04:47] that's more about the town you're in like if you find your next job and it's in a bigger city i bet you you'd meet people your age where you're gonna find more stuff correct and that's what and

[01:04:55] that's what i think and that helps the the motivation i'll say the biggest thing i've i've tried to hammer home and i think you've you've probably realized this too is not to rush

[01:05:09] it like it's not too though yeah it is really hard not to because you see it is possible because that is the worst thing about that is the one of the worst things about social media you can see

[01:05:21] some people who do get it at this age and they do make lots of money and they are very successful in the field you want to be at this age the problem is it's not that many people and it's really a tough

[01:05:31] reality to realize for a lot of us who aren't that lucky it's the whole grasses greener philosophy like that that is a very true thing when especially when you talk about like you see your friends

[01:05:43] in other places doing things that seem really fun i'm sure not like there's things about their lives that are not perfect either but again it's it's always the whole the grasses greener philosophy

[01:05:53] but yeah you're right that like especially the two of us but a ton of people out there who are in sports media like feel like they can move up and feel like they they are capable of moving

[01:06:03] up but again you along with being good at what you're doing you need some luck and you need some good timing so we're both like hoping that can swing our way here in the near future which is

[01:06:16] why we do all this networking and also like that's that's why we put in so much effort to doing you know doing everything we're doing not just with the podcast but in fact like here's an

[01:06:26] example you and i have both started to do our own personal content creation stuff like i guess this is a little shameless plug for the both of us but this is only a couple weeks old for each

[01:06:35] of us but we've each started to do some not just day in the light stuff but just posting personal content on our own tiktok instagram pages to try to build some of a personal brand like i'll use me

[01:06:47] for example like in terms and this kind of ties into where i'm at because you're talking about being in corvaut it's like i'm still in seattle for at least the next few weeks what i've talked

[01:06:56] about on my social media pages and i've told some of our friends about and family about is that for the next two to three months i'm going to spend some time in new york city now i'm doing

[01:07:05] that because a lot of the places i'd love to work are out there i've connected with a lot of people that are out there i'm hoping the fact that getting in front of them and meeting them in

[01:07:13] person and spending some time in person might be able to help me it's no guarantee that it works in fact i'd say it's far from a guarantee that it works and truthfully it's a little bit

[01:07:21] nerve-wracking to be kind of going out on a whim to to the other side of the country and give this a shot for a few months but to the point of we're both trying to do everything that's

[01:07:30] necessary to find our next job i started to feel like that might be the next step to find my next job because again like i just don't know how much sitting at home does now let me let me say two

[01:07:40] things one it's not like we're gonna stop the podcast in fact we've got some big plans for the second year of it but i'd also like to find a full-time job too and with that

[01:07:48] i'm trying to document it all i'm documenting that i'm getting ready to move i'm going to document what i'm doing most of the days i'm in new york city like documenting you know things i

[01:07:56] learned and i just talk some sports on there too but yeah i'm going a bunch of different ways with this too but we have each started to do some content personal content as another way of

[01:08:06] how can we put ourselves out there and show people that we have some other skills you know and like what's the worst that happens we don't get famous right like that's it and

[01:08:16] and and somebody might see it even if you're only getting you know a few hundred couple thousand views let's say on those reels or ticktocks you just don't know who might see it and say oh well

[01:08:26] i can relate to this person or maybe they're looking for somebody you just don't know there's some benefits to it like let's let's let's off some things first of all like it keeps you consistent we work on this podcast every single day however

[01:08:38] and we are posting on this podcast every single day but we've gotten in a pretty good routine of what we're doing so it's not really as much of a cram or an like tell me if i'm wrong

[01:08:47] lile like an overcru overly creative thought process to put things together on a day-to-day basis yes with the normal stuff we usually post no i think we are creative with the stuff we

[01:08:58] put out there not just with the showcliffs but some of the social media ideas that we have like i think we're creative but you're right that we've done it for a little over a year

[01:09:05] now that we are used to it so that part i agree with you on we're used to it again we also have two and a half two hours and 45 minutes worth of podcast content that we post

[01:09:16] throughout the week right that is already done and recorded and i'll say that's in terms of thinking creatively like that's where most of it comes from we've already talked about it like

[01:09:24] yes okay so in terms of things you're doing like it now takes or sorry that the both of us are doing we now have to take some more time out of each of our day to be find something interesting

[01:09:36] that makes us interesting that makes us stand out that makes us different like the thing about the podcast it's which is done phenomenally and we cannot thank you guys for listening enough

[01:09:49] we really we really cannot i cannot tell you how appreciative we are of seeing our numbers here after a little over a year of doing this but to to to our own brands like it forces us to now

[01:10:04] within each day find a new way to storytell and i i cannot say how beneficial that is to to us doing this to find new ways to like storytell and be interesting because we want to

[01:10:19] be interesting here we want to keep your interest in this podcast so what's the best way to do that well we talk about baseball a lot both of we're talking about things that aren't baseball

[01:10:28] specifically baseball related we still want to be interesting well a great way to practice that is to do our own content like let me draw the line between our two things so you're still doing

[01:10:39] mostly sport stuff on on your channel what what you're talking about did a few day in the lives you've talked about a few things here so far for what you've done i've been doing like day in the

[01:10:48] lives of my life and i want to i want to bring this back to what i said about you know me struggling on like a friday or saturday night like worrying like hey is this worth it like i don't know if

[01:11:00] i'm enjoying this yet it like i'm seeing everyone else having so much more fun this thing forces me to find fun things in my day every single day and at the end of every single day i'm going to go

[01:11:11] back into my day and find what that fun thing is and bring it back out every single day and you know what i've already felt the benefits of it because you know what well since i've started it football

[01:11:23] season has been over that's but football is my busy season here for organ state once football season ends my busy season is over it calms down quite a bit and i need things to do

[01:11:36] and i've got to say like the benefit that this is brought to be able to do this even with only 300 viewers of tiktok or 400 viewers in instagram video the benefits have been immense i mean i can

[01:11:46] only meant like the jump i've taken in two weeks of editing and and and creativeness of shooting i think it is just so beneficial and and really just adds so many more tools to what's possible

[01:11:59] for myself in the future for someone who's chasing a radio job but hey look at this social media profile i've built look at this look how valuable this is look at my storytelling look at

[01:12:10] my video editing look at all this stuff i can do look at all this stuff that makes me valuable i mean that's the whole point in all this like i to my point at the beginning making a way to

[01:12:22] make yourself valuable i think like this is it for both of us it is putting as many tentacles out as possible hands and as many jars as possible to try and make ourselves make ourselves

[01:12:34] valuable and eventually one of those jars will lead us to being successful i hope yeah i think that's i think you said that all well and especially about especially the part about us trying to

[01:12:45] broaden our skills a little bit i mean like example we both did a bunch of broadcasting college i did it in the minors now i'm trying to focus a bunch on all this podcast content

[01:12:54] creation stuff again like how tj mentioned these are the type of jobs i'm looking for and the reason i'm going to new york city for a few months is because it's these type of sports

[01:13:02] media companies that do a lot of podcasting that do a bunch of content creation that do stuff on social media like that stuff really applies to me now and it also seems to be the

[01:13:10] way most of media is trending nowadays that's what's popular so between really enjoying it and also wanting to stay with the times a little bit i've started to focus my direction

[01:13:20] that way but just how tj's saying too oh he has radio experience or he has play by play experience now he's i mean he we both obviously do a bunch of stuff within this podcast that

[01:13:29] enhances our social media podcasting skills but then he's doing his own personal stuff too and what i'd say i'm doing more with my brand is yeah i'm talking about sports i'm trying to

[01:13:38] broaden it out than doing more than just the mariners whether it's in baseball i did some college football stuff here today but above everything else i'm trying to talk to people

[01:13:46] about what it's like to be in sports media and i think once i get to new york it'll be a little bit more transparent i mean sorry i shouldn't say transparent it's transparent now but it'll be just it'll be more interesting because i'll really be in the

[01:13:58] like day to day of actively trying to find my next job and obviously i'm networking with people now but it's a little different just being at home most days rather than like being in my destination

[01:14:09] that i'm set to go to that's what i've been talking about with people is like the lead up to going to new york city and all that i think that'll be a little bit more of an intrigue to

[01:14:16] people which i hope people find it interesting but but yeah like i i've enjoyed doing it too i think it's i think it's very helpful i think it just gives me something extra to do and and

[01:14:27] you know above everything else like hopefully people find it interesting i guess and the best thing in new york about new york is i just don't think you know who you'll run into you've already

[01:14:37] picked out people who you're going to talk to and that you've already networked with but in the city that never sleeps you never know yeah it's true you know what's funny if i don't

[01:14:46] know if anybody's going to get this reference uh and tj had no idea who this person is but when we were in new york a couple months back for our trip we were at a bar in in new york

[01:14:53] city and we ran into pilot pete of all people while we were there who was the bachelor like now maybe nobody listening to this podcast is people who are diehard sports fans get that reference

[01:15:05] but i ran into him the guy happens to be a big seahawks fan so i walked i walked up to him and said go hawks and it led to us talking for like i don't know 90 seconds or so about the

[01:15:13] seahawks and well that's just a tj's point about you never know who you'll meet never in a million years that i think i'd see that guy so yeah you never know maybe i'll meet some more

[01:15:22] people that one are are you interesting but two are unique to our own field but but yeah you know i think this is just us trying to show that like we're still going through it we're still trying to find

[01:15:33] our next steps so hopefully we're being transparent about that here and in this segment and we're certainly trying to work as hard as we can towards it and hopefully we kind of find it

[01:15:41] and to anyone who might be interested we've had people dm us asking about it like this is us being transparent about it as well just said like let's be clear it's not easy it looks like a lot of

[01:15:53] fun when you've made it and it is but it's not easy i'll just you got you got to buckle up and you really got to look at yourself and think if you really want to do this because a lot of people

[01:16:06] really want to do this the problem is most people with the money that fund these things know that you really want to do it and that usually leads to there being less opportunity than you would

[01:16:18] think right and and i will say the best way if you want to do this the best way just start on your own yeah you don't have to wait for anybody now more than ever when we were in school this was

[01:16:31] in the case but now it is three and a half years later if you want to make content hell if you want to call games there's an instagram account of people calling games with hundreds of

[01:16:40] thousands of subscribers calling games on television like on a tv if you want to do any of that stuff just start a channel start a tiktok account start an instagram account just do it just like

[01:16:50] just do it you would be you're going to be your own best friend teaching yourself you're going to be your own best networker and and resume enhancer by just doing it yourself because lao and i

[01:17:01] thought when we started this we need an outlet to talk about something why don't we like we talk do is already talk about this every single freaking day why don't we just start right and

[01:17:12] let me let me bring this back to my like my radio background again so like at my station like we have one live sports show like i'm not an everyday host of that show so i don't get on air reps

[01:17:24] every single day i taught i record stuff every single day but i don't get live reps every single day but this thing right here allows me to do that lao and i like we want to do a sports show

[01:17:35] okay let's just start it and look at us you put a year into it what was the stat you brought up lao most podcasts don't make it past the third episode 90 percent don't make it past the

[01:17:45] third episode well look at us here episode 80 fucking three yeah and we would you want we wanted to do this sports show and we've made it happen yeah and we talked about starting a

[01:17:55] mariners podcast for a while but it was kind of like how we've talked about we always said if we were going to start it we wanted to make sure we had the time make sure we had the right vision

[01:18:02] for it and make sure we were going to put a lot of effort into it because i didn't want to be one of those podcasts that thought of a name thought of a logo made the twitter account put all this

[01:18:11] effort into the long form content and then after three or four episodes when you see it's hard to get listeners you're like well are we going to record an episode this week it's like maybe

[01:18:19] are we going to record one next week yeah five time no we don't want to do that we wanted to put a lot of effort into it we wanted to do a bunch of stuff on social media

[01:18:25] not just posting show clip but all the stuff you guys you guys have seen us do out at the field this year between talking to the fans and doing the player content and even some of the

[01:18:33] food reviews early in the year when we were doing that like we wanted to find interesting things to do like we wanted to be different we didn't just want to sit down and record a podcast every week like we wanted to talk about the mariners and we wanted

[01:18:43] to get nerdy with the analytics stuff but we also wanted to make sure our personalities were showing and we wanted to do some stuff that other people weren't really doing which is some of this new school social content and we have thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed it a bunch and

[01:18:58] that's such a huge reason I think now I'm so zoned in on this idea of finding a job at a sports media company doing podcasting and content creation is from everything we've done with

[01:19:07] this like I realized even more than doing the play by play stuff which I always thought was going to be my path that stuff's really fun I'd love to do this for a career in a living one

[01:19:16] day and there's an outlet for it now and there's also an outlet to be a fan and be in sports media which I love and when you're in journalism school like we were

[01:19:25] they tell you yeah you can't really do that well that's not true anymore you can absolutely do that so I really love everything we've been able to do with this podcast because not only has

[01:19:33] taught us a bunch but it's it's like opened my eyes even more to oh you should take this route and I think the most important thing off of all of that you just said

[01:19:41] is that if we put enough work into this and we're this successful at it I mean this could be our job like if we if we get to that point it very well could be if you're able to find a

[01:19:51] way to generate the revenue you can do that and I think that like that's something Lawni realized in a motivating factor a year in and seeing the growth and seeing some of the

[01:20:01] numbers that we brought in of what is possible if we keep doing this and I'll say another beneficiary of us being over a year into this podcast is we understand for our own

[01:20:12] personal brands now what it takes again I think I'm three weeks into doing my day in the lives I have cracked 400 views on a TikTok once one time they've stayed pretty stagnant and you know what

[01:20:25] I've tried doing my own TikToks before you know what I did after a month I quit because this is the results I've got but you know what now that we've done it for an entire year and we

[01:20:35] know what growing a channel is like I understand it's not going to happen overnight and for all of you that would want to do this and want to do your own thing it's not unless you get lucky

[01:20:46] and go viral it's not going to grow overnight you just got to put a lot of work into it and watch it grow I remember when we first started our social accounts and I'd say to you I see all these people

[01:20:55] blow up on TikTok all the time like why isn't that happening to us this was like a few weeks in you're like you've been on TikTok more than I had at this point you're like you know that's

[01:21:03] not the norm that's the outlier and I was like well maybe you've got a point there and that's what we learned we were getting three to four hundred views on a lot of our early stuff and it

[01:21:11] stayed like that for a while and it was you know it was a consistent steady build up and that's totally normal that's totally fine but if you keep putting effort into it that's what

[01:21:21] happened then we should clarify too about that having this become a potential job of ours one day like that's our dream right and we'll work toward that we're by no means sitting here saying

[01:21:29] oh like in a few months that's gonna happen no we're not saying that at all we're just saying we are no no no no we're just saying that one day we'd love to make that happen I think we now

[01:21:41] aspire to make that happen and we're you know and and and with that like we said at the start of this we've got no intention or idea by any stretch to stop this anytime soon in fact we've got some

[01:21:55] pretty unique and I don't want to say big but I guess kind of big ideas we've got for year two we might save that for our last episode of the year we figured maybe on our final episode of 2023

[01:22:07] we'd do a recap of like oh like what's the first basically full year of the podcast all culminated together look like but just more tying it back now to us trying to find our next jobs and stuff

[01:22:16] like this has definitely helped us I think it's definitely given us like a bunch of skills that maybe we didn't have as much of beforehand and you know hopefully hopefully can lead somewhere hopefully lead somewhere with you with looking at these radio jobs hopefully in New York I

[01:22:29] meet the right people and it turns into something so yeah yeah and who knows where all this stuff leads down the road like well we talk about like new new school sports media like you're looking at

[01:22:42] in radio as if there's the there are these astronomically different things they're not no one just has a government agency regulating it that's literally it the FCC that's it it's the only difference yeah that's right that's that's 100 right they're not that different

[01:22:59] but a way that we stay the same as again we are just we're looking to move our path along and find the next thing so as we start to kind of wrap this up I mean hopefully for people that found

[01:23:10] this somewhat interesting that you enjoyed it if if you didn't like listening to us talk uh I guess we don't have to do it ever again if you all were like well this was boring I

[01:23:18] don't really care just talk about the Mariners that's fine but we just figured for those of you that might be interested to hear a little bit more about us and and transparently where

[01:23:26] we're at and where we're both trying to get to like we figured this would be a decent time to kind of sit and talk about it and we thought this would be a good time for it because especially

[01:23:34] over the last couple months we you and I off air had a lot of conversations about this about each of us trying to move along so we're like well we're talking about it here maybe the people

[01:23:43] that listened to us would be interested to hear where we're at too so hopefully at least you found it one percent interesting yeah but like yeah really hope so again if anyone has any

[01:23:52] questions feel free to like leave us a comment shoot us a dm on instagram whatever like we'll see it yeah we're we always love talking about the funny stuff on speak your mind but if we get some feedback

[01:24:02] on this and hey like I like hearing more about you guys in your own lives you should do it more often if you like hearing us talk about it maybe every month thish or so we can kind of give some

[01:24:10] updates so yeah leave us a comment and let us know but with that I think that'll just just about wrap up this edition of the marine layer podcast you guys know the drill if you want

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