Episode 121: Evaluating The Mariners Lineup So Far, And Highlighting The X-Factor Tayler Saucedo Has Been

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[00:00:34] We have our two Mariners storylines evaluating the Mariners lineup

[00:00:37] so far in twenty twenty four and Taylor Sauceto's hot start to the season.

[00:00:42] We'll go down on the farm and pick out a standout Mariners minor leaguer.

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[00:02:14] And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast,

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[00:02:19] recording here on Thursday, April 18th.

[00:02:23] Am I allowed to say the Mariners are back?

[00:02:27] They're back. The boys are back.

[00:02:31] How about a sweep, not just a series when they come in

[00:02:34] and kick the door down on the Reds, they shove it down their throat.

[00:02:38] The pitching staff in that series, that is more like it.

[00:02:41] As we're recording seven consecutive quality starts,

[00:02:45] that wild gold scene is much, much, much more like it.

[00:02:50] Can we literally attribute to the fact that they're no longer

[00:02:53] there, they're playing well because they're not playing

[00:02:54] Candy Crush in the dugout because the iPad comment.

[00:02:57] No, I'm not actually playing Candy Crush.

[00:02:59] But how amazing is it that something so simple

[00:03:03] could almost change the course of the series?

[00:03:05] Where in terms of like not relating to the pitching,

[00:03:08] but the better offense we saw the series, the better at bats,

[00:03:11] the ability to get someone like Hunter Green out the fourth inning.

[00:03:14] Are you kidding me?

[00:03:15] I guess that's like a truly remarkable after I sat here

[00:03:19] on this show and predicted he would go.

[00:03:22] Yeah, do you remember the exact words was I seven and 15?

[00:03:25] What was that? Seven and 15, right?

[00:03:27] I did get the strikeout total right, though.

[00:03:28] So I'm not

[00:03:31] going to gasp myself up a little bit, though.

[00:03:33] Seven innings, it was in nine innings.

[00:03:35] But something as simple as like the players stopped

[00:03:39] watching their swings on the iPads in the dugout

[00:03:41] and instead just went out there and sort of vibes

[00:03:44] their way to a sweep at the plate.

[00:03:47] Do we think that was the whole reason for it?

[00:03:49] I know they talked about it, but do we actually think getting rid

[00:03:51] of those iPads is why they started to hit so much better?

[00:03:55] Is there is there a such thing as getting too analytical?

[00:03:57] Is that what the team felt like it could have been otherwise?

[00:04:00] So it's got to mention it.

[00:04:03] No, I don't know.

[00:04:05] Maybe again, it might have just been a small thing contributing factor,

[00:04:08] but a factor nonetheless, like regardless, they have to play better.

[00:04:12] And they did.

[00:04:13] And maybe it allowed them to sort of think less and do more.

[00:04:18] Right. And then they did had a good offensive performance on both Monday

[00:04:22] and Wednesday, did just enough on on Tuesday.

[00:04:27] And ultimately boils down to the fact that you in today's day and age,

[00:04:31] you need to hit home runs to win.

[00:04:33] And that's what they did.

[00:04:34] And they get home runs for Mitch Garver.

[00:04:36] Right. The power bat you need, like if Mitch Garver's hitting home runs,

[00:04:40] you're probably doing pretty well based on how he's looked this season.

[00:04:44] Well, I was going to say, you talked about the pitching.

[00:04:46] I cannot stress enough about the offense.

[00:04:48] Look what happens when you put the ball over the fence.

[00:04:52] You want to talk about getting back to analytics as a podcast

[00:04:54] that is very, very pro elevate and celebrate.

[00:04:58] The Mariners were elevating and celebrating in this series.

[00:05:00] They have five homers.

[00:05:01] Mitch Garver gets on the board with one.

[00:05:02] Calralli hits one on Wednesday.

[00:05:05] This team featured almost no power through the first 10 ish game.

[00:05:09] And against the Reds, we started to see it.

[00:05:12] Now they're not going to pitch immaculately and hit for just loads of power

[00:05:17] all the time, but just because the Mariners work to cut down

[00:05:20] on strikeouts this winter does not mean that all of a sudden

[00:05:23] you just can't put the ball out of the ballpark.

[00:05:25] This team has power and they're going to have to hit home runs

[00:05:28] if they want to win games.

[00:05:29] It's not the only way they can win games.

[00:05:31] I think last year's team was too reliant on power,

[00:05:33] which led to strikeouts.

[00:05:35] So this team still has to put the ball out of the ballpark.

[00:05:37] And finally, we started to see him do it.

[00:05:39] In the debut series of Jonathan Classe looked good.

[00:05:42] He looked like he was handling himself well.

[00:05:43] We got his first career hits and RBI's.

[00:05:46] He was running around the bases, watching him score on a base

[00:05:49] hit from second base is thrilling, exciting.

[00:05:53] It's like watching a blur out there.

[00:05:54] It's like watching the Flash television show.

[00:05:56] It's like watching that that guy run.

[00:05:58] I forget his name because the show really went downhill at the end.

[00:06:01] But regardless, getting to watch that just sort of exciting.

[00:06:04] And it felt like you remember when we talked about Jonathan Classe

[00:06:10] on Wednesday show, the goal seemed like a spark.

[00:06:13] Well, there was a spark there this week at home.

[00:06:16] Not even great crowds.

[00:06:17] The energy from the crowd was fine, but it wasn't

[00:06:19] it wasn't a sellout crowd by any sense, but still managing to

[00:06:22] to find a way to get some energy, pitch well and hit well was

[00:06:26] was was pretty remarkable.

[00:06:28] And I think while ultimately we knew the pitching staff

[00:06:31] was going to come around and they were going to pitch well.

[00:06:34] The lineup scoring was most importantly,

[00:06:37] knocking out good pitchers all three days.

[00:06:40] You and I sat here and like we're sort of like, oh goodness,

[00:06:44] looking at what what the Reds were throwing out this week, literally

[00:06:47] sitting there and saying that.

[00:06:49] And it couldn't have been anything from the truth

[00:06:51] of what actually happened on the field.

[00:06:53] Yeah, we talked about they they faced Frankie Montaz on Monday,

[00:06:56] who before that started, had been awesome.

[00:06:58] They lit him up.

[00:07:00] He did not even make it through the first inning.

[00:07:02] We haven't heard anything about an injury.

[00:07:04] Maybe it really was just a bad start, despite the VLO being down

[00:07:07] and the command being all over the place.

[00:07:10] But anyway, they lit up Montaz, they chased Hunter Green

[00:07:13] and then they hit Andrew Abbott perfectly fine, too.

[00:07:15] And Abbott is not a tough guy to go against.

[00:07:18] Crafty lefty really changes speeds well.

[00:07:20] Good command.

[00:07:22] Mariners weren't fazed.

[00:07:23] They got to him.

[00:07:24] Except the command wasn't like he was trying to command them

[00:07:27] and it wasn't working.

[00:07:28] They weren't swinging at those bad pitches.

[00:07:31] For the most part, Julio was actually still kind of swinging at some bad pitches.

[00:07:34] But that was a that was a Wednesday topic.

[00:07:36] Regardless, though, if we're going to talk about Julio just for a second,

[00:07:40] those defensive plays, man, still like the ultimate

[00:07:44] difference maker playing centerfield.

[00:07:45] It is unbelievable watching that guy run.

[00:07:47] I still cannot to this day believe he was supposed to be a corner outfielder.

[00:07:51] I cannot. I cannot believe that they're like, yeah,

[00:07:53] he's going to be a 40 homer corner right fielder, marginal right fielder.

[00:07:57] Yeah, that's what I see when I look out in center.

[00:07:59] I was like, yeah, that's a marginal right fielder out there in centerfield.

[00:08:03] And it feels like it all changed for him and essentially one off season

[00:08:07] because he did mostly play the corners when he was in the minors.

[00:08:11] He didn't play a ton of centerfield in the minor leagues.

[00:08:13] But then all of a sudden from twenty, twenty one to twenty, twenty two,

[00:08:16] he shows up to camp.

[00:08:17] He's fast as hell.

[00:08:18] His defense is impeccable.

[00:08:20] The Mariners are sticking them in centerfield and big league camp every day.

[00:08:22] And the rest is history.

[00:08:24] Now he's arguably the best centerfielder in baseball defensively.

[00:08:27] That ball, he almost over ran in the gap and left center was pretty unbelievable.

[00:08:30] Yeah, that was that was that was pretty remarkable.

[00:08:33] Watching him track baseball's down, it makes you remember,

[00:08:37] even despite a slow start at the plate, he he really is incredible.

[00:08:41] I don't know how else to face it. He is incredible.

[00:08:45] Let's get to our Mariners storylines

[00:08:47] and up first on our Mariners storylines.

[00:08:51] I wanted to do a little bit of lineup evaluation,

[00:08:53] how the lineup has performed this year and what we what we would consider

[00:08:58] changing in this Mariners lineup through these first few weeks of play.

[00:09:03] So the biggest thing I was looking at with this lineup was,

[00:09:07] first of all, like the lineup grade is a negative right now

[00:09:11] for the first handful of games that is overall over the full sample

[00:09:15] has not necessarily been good enough.

[00:09:17] But as we just talked about,

[00:09:20] the performance against the Reds this week was better.

[00:09:23] Is there anything jumping out to you that you want to highlight

[00:09:26] right off the bat of either I would change this or I want to emphasize

[00:09:30] how important this part of the lineup is?

[00:09:33] We talked about third base platoon a lot.

[00:09:35] I think they're more important than people realize right now.

[00:09:37] The fact Josh Rojas is hitting as well as he is.

[00:09:40] When this lineup had nobody hitting the first 10 or so games,

[00:09:45] Josh Rojas was hitting at times.

[00:09:47] He was their only source of offense.

[00:09:48] And then even when guys continued to hit, what a Rojas do on Wednesday,

[00:09:51] comes off the bench and he hits home run.

[00:09:53] He almost hit a second one, too, but it got caught.

[00:09:55] It was it was a long fly out.

[00:09:57] I think Josh Rojas and what he's done early on cannot be understated.

[00:10:02] But that being said to the people that are starting to suggest

[00:10:05] with the way he's hitting,

[00:10:07] phrasing the question, should he move up to the lead off spot

[00:10:09] for the time being?

[00:10:10] I could not shoot that down any faster if it was me.

[00:10:14] Josh Rojas is playing as well as you could possibly want him to play right now.

[00:10:18] Don't mess with it.

[00:10:19] Don't put pressure on him putting him in the lead off spot.

[00:10:21] Leave him at eight or nine.

[00:10:23] If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[00:10:24] If there's one thing I could emphasize right now,

[00:10:27] if we're going to look at some of the positives

[00:10:28] of what the lineup has done so far, the third base platoon,

[00:10:31] Arias has had his has had his moments too.

[00:10:33] And we know he's hit lefty so far for Rojas.

[00:10:37] One, he has been such a breath of fresh air.

[00:10:40] He's made people forget about Gino so far, which is great

[00:10:43] because Gino hasn't been that great in Arizona so far.

[00:10:45] And Rojas has been good.

[00:10:47] But don't move them.

[00:10:48] Don't move them out of the eight spot or the nine spot.

[00:10:50] Just let him keep doing his thing.

[00:10:52] I think the other thing I sort of want to touch on is

[00:10:56] how fast Mitch Hanegger and Ty France have managed

[00:10:58] to move their way up the lineup for Ty's case.

[00:11:01] It hasn't been power wise, but he's been hitting

[00:11:03] the ball hard as we've highlighted.

[00:11:04] Mitch has been the Mariners best hitter so far.

[00:11:07] Mitch Hanegger, that is moving up the lineup

[00:11:09] and contributing. And how important is that?

[00:11:12] Because I like I still think back to the preseason.

[00:11:15] You and I thought Mitch Hanegger would play against lefties

[00:11:20] and would be not a total part time player,

[00:11:22] but would not be in the lineup every single day.

[00:11:25] And now Mitch Hanegger has been the most important

[00:11:26] hitter in that Mariners lineup.

[00:11:27] He's cooled off a little bit since the start,

[00:11:29] but he's still been a pretty integral part of this lineup.

[00:11:34] Right. And he's moved up to, you know, right around the cleanups.

[00:11:37] He was batting second on Wednesday with with J.P.

[00:11:40] Crawford getting a day off and Julio hitting leadoff.

[00:11:43] So it's nice to see that the Mariners have an option like a true like

[00:11:47] I didn't think this offseason Mitch Hanegger was going to be a middle

[00:11:50] of the order bat for this team.

[00:11:51] I thought the middle of the order bats are going to be Julio,

[00:11:53] Polanco, Garver and Cal.

[00:11:55] I thought those were all going to be the middle of the order bats,

[00:11:57] not Mitch Hanegger.

[00:11:58] Mitch Hanegger is essentially like earned more middle

[00:12:01] of the lineup at bats than all of those guys except Polanco right now,

[00:12:07] which is that's a huge sign to be able to have.

[00:12:09] So now if you sit here and think about it,

[00:12:11] of what you expect this team to do this season,

[00:12:15] the middle of the order bats in this lineup, I mean, you're seriously

[00:12:18] you're talking about Julio, Mitch Garver, Mitch Hanegger.

[00:12:23] And Cal Raleigh, you I just named four guys who could all hit

[00:12:27] anywhere from the three to five spots, which is pretty important.

[00:12:31] Those are those are pretty important at bats you have and pretty

[00:12:34] for pretty important power profiles to this team.

[00:12:36] They haven't unlocked all of it yet.

[00:12:38] But seeing those early signs is a very good sign.

[00:12:43] It's funny to see how fast things can change.

[00:12:46] What do we predict the lineup would be preseason?

[00:12:48] I think we said JP Julio Polanco, that part's the same.

[00:12:52] I think we then said Cal Garver at five, Raleigh and Kamzone at six,

[00:12:56] Thai France at seven, Hanegger at eight, the third baseball tune at nine.

[00:13:00] Hanegger has gone from eight, at least in our lineup, to two

[00:13:04] in 15 games, 16 games.

[00:13:06] And Mitch was sitting six on opening day.

[00:13:08] And now he's like if he's hitting anywhere below fourth, we get worried.

[00:13:12] I will say as well as Mitch has hit Hanegger,

[00:13:17] I really hope they continue to find ways to get him some off days

[00:13:20] and get him off his feet.

[00:13:21] I think they have to because now, to your point,

[00:13:24] he's become such an integral piece of this lineup.

[00:13:28] They cannot afford to lose him for an extended period of time.

[00:13:31] So I really hope they have some ways implemented to keep him healthy,

[00:13:35] give them some DH days, get him off his feet,

[00:13:38] to make sure he's in the lineup all year, because already

[00:13:41] in the course of less than 20 games, Mitch Hanegger has reminded everybody

[00:13:44] that when he's at his best, this is who he can be.

[00:13:47] He can be a true force and impact that in the lineup

[00:13:50] that really can change an offense.

[00:13:51] So they can't lose that now all of a sudden.

[00:13:53] They have got to keep them healthy.

[00:13:55] Now, here's a question I have for you.

[00:13:57] Would you throw Thai France in the middle of those four power bats

[00:14:00] to sort of break it up instead of having four power profiles in a row?

[00:14:04] You have more of a contact profile.

[00:14:06] Someone who hits a lot of line drives has struck out,

[00:14:09] like we said, about an average amount so far this season, more than his career norm.

[00:14:13] But he's not hitting for power right now.

[00:14:15] Would you do that or would you leave those four power guys in there in some order?

[00:14:20] It's a good idea.

[00:14:21] Or at least I'll put it like this.

[00:14:22] It's not a bad idea.

[00:14:24] Split up the power bats with more of a bat to ball guy.

[00:14:27] I just feel like similar to the Rojas idea.

[00:14:31] I know Thai France has hit toward the top of the lineup

[00:14:33] a lot of his time with the Mariners, especially in 2021 and 2022.

[00:14:36] We saw him hitting second a lot.

[00:14:39] I feel like at least for now,

[00:14:41] he might be best suited in that seven spot, maybe six spot.

[00:14:46] Just again, let him truly get hot and figure it out then.

[00:14:51] But give them the protection.

[00:14:53] Let guys like Hanegar and Garber hit ahead of them.

[00:14:55] Put them toward the bottom of the lineup.

[00:14:57] And then if he really starts to get rolling and he starts to look like 2021

[00:15:01] or even first half 2022 Thai France, we can reevaluate that.

[00:15:05] But for now, yeah, I'd probably leave him at seven or so.

[00:15:08] That's exactly what I was thinking.

[00:15:10] I was thinking the seven spot is perfect for Thai France right now.

[00:15:13] Not as much pressure on him.

[00:15:15] And but he still has a chance to drive in a ton of runs,

[00:15:19] but there's no pressure on him to hit power.

[00:15:20] Because the higher in the lineup, he hits,

[00:15:21] the more pressure there is going to be that he's going to need.

[00:15:23] He is going to need to hit power and do damage.

[00:15:26] And he's not done that yet this year, and he will eventually.

[00:15:29] But as we talked about, like the power comes along

[00:15:32] slower with driveline guys like with JP last year came along.

[00:15:36] So three home runs in his first two months last year.

[00:15:38] Ended up with 19 did OK, but doesn't all come right away.

[00:15:41] So for now, even a Thai France is hitting the ball hard.

[00:15:45] The seven spot is nice. Here's a here's a takeaway.

[00:15:48] I thought I'm thinking how many games before Scott service

[00:15:50] thinks about doing something like this.

[00:15:52] The first two spots in your lineup right now, you have a two sixty

[00:15:55] and a two sixty six on base percentage in those first two spots.

[00:15:58] It is really, really difficult to score runs

[00:16:02] with those two numbers being at as as it is.

[00:16:04] Scott services, two options.

[00:16:06] He can let JP and Julio in those first two spots figure it out,

[00:16:10] which knowing Scott that very well might be the case. Or

[00:16:14] why don't you move Jorge Polanco up to two and move Julio back to three?

[00:16:18] Get a higher on base guy in front of Julio.

[00:16:23] And give the lineup some more opportunities to hit guys in

[00:16:27] because having to as of right now, low on base guys at the top of the lineup

[00:16:32] makes it a lot harder for this lineup to score runs consistently.

[00:16:37] That does create a deep pocket of right handed hitters,

[00:16:41] which could favor some opposing bullpens is the only thing.

[00:16:44] If you have Julio three and then you have Julio Hanager,

[00:16:48] Garver, Thai France, and obviously Calralli mixed in

[00:16:51] somewhere between those guys, that is a lot of right handed

[00:16:55] bats back to back to back to back.

[00:16:58] I kind of like the idea of Polanco helping split those guys up a little bit.

[00:17:02] But maybe I'm thinking too much about reliever matchups.

[00:17:06] This would have been good for Tom Kanzo to be healthy,

[00:17:08] because the way he was hitting, could you not bat him fifth there

[00:17:11] and break you guys up a little bit? For sure.

[00:17:13] Yeah, can't can zone was the best hitter before he got hurt. Right.

[00:17:17] So that would make so much it because then you're like, OK,

[00:17:19] so then we go JP Polanco, Julio,

[00:17:23] I don't know, Hanager.

[00:17:26] Then you go Dom and then you go Cal and Garver after that.

[00:17:30] Or maybe Garver and Cal, if you keep going up lefties and righties.

[00:17:33] Right. Right. So like that seems like the easiest one.

[00:17:38] And that maybe is how they'll roll and they get back, though.

[00:17:40] I think Kanzo will probably take Thai France, but Francis

[00:17:43] bought in the seven hole when he comes back as they sort of shovel things around.

[00:17:46] But that's kind of where this can zone injury hurts the lineup a little bit.

[00:17:50] It really would have helped them to to have more depth.

[00:17:52] And Kanzo was doing damage, which was important.

[00:17:54] It was it was an important part.

[00:17:56] And again, why Thai France isn't really hitting higher on the line up.

[00:17:59] I'd say that's like the major takeaway.

[00:18:00] The other one is that Klaas say really sort of his profile

[00:18:05] fits perfectly with this lineup, what they need.

[00:18:07] So we we spent the off season talking how important that Josh Rojas

[00:18:11] is what 11 percent walk rate in the nine hole would be great

[00:18:14] if he could find a way to replicate his Diamondbacks production.

[00:18:17] Well, if you have Rojas,

[00:18:19] if you have Rojas staying in the eight hole Rojas

[00:18:23] and Uriah staying occupying the eight hole spot

[00:18:25] and you have Klaas who has good on base skills and good speed

[00:18:27] in the nine hole and when he eventually gets on,

[00:18:30] then you have that kind of speed on the lineup for the top of the lineup to hit in.

[00:18:33] You know, those are your best hitters up there.

[00:18:35] And your best chance to score a run is when Jonathan Klaas

[00:18:38] say is running the bases.

[00:18:39] So it works out pretty nicely opposed to having,

[00:18:42] you know, average runners of various and Rojas running instead in that nine hole.

[00:18:48] That is the one thing about Kanzo being out of this lineup.

[00:18:51] Look, Dom Kanzo being in the lineup significantly helps

[00:18:54] the team much more when he's in it.

[00:18:56] I don't want Kanzo out of the lineup.

[00:18:57] I wish he wasn't injured.

[00:18:59] The one thing about having Klaas in there instead, though,

[00:19:02] is it changes the dynamic a little bit where they talk about

[00:19:05] in terms of the old school lineup construction,

[00:19:08] that having that nine hitter almost serves as a second leadoff hitter

[00:19:10] to flip the lineup around.

[00:19:12] Jonathan Klaas is on base when Julio and JP are up at the top of the order.

[00:19:18] You know how much that changes things?

[00:19:20] I know this isn't an analytics thing,

[00:19:21] and we usually dive into the numbers a lot.

[00:19:24] But having a guy that you know you have to keep tabs on

[00:19:27] on the base paths because he's so fast and can change the course of an inning

[00:19:31] or a game with his speed to help an offense.

[00:19:34] That matters, because if you have to keep so much attention on Klaas

[00:19:37] to keep them true to the bag and not let him steal,

[00:19:41] that does affect things when you're attacking hitters

[00:19:44] and all of a sudden, JP and Julio might start seeing better pitches

[00:19:46] to hit, or maybe they are maybe they're a little erratic

[00:19:48] when they throw to JP and Julio because Klaas

[00:19:51] is such a threat on the base pads.

[00:19:53] That changes the dynamic of the offense a little bit,

[00:19:55] where if he can really get on base and in the minors he did,

[00:19:59] I think you're going to see that benefit both JP and Julio a lot

[00:20:02] because his distraction on the base pads could help them see more pitches.

[00:20:06] You want some analytics?

[00:20:07] I'll give you some analytics.

[00:20:08] Double digit walk rate, 79 seals and then steals

[00:20:11] and then a lot of frickin dingers at the top of the lineup.

[00:20:14] Those are the analytics you need.

[00:20:16] There we go. That's all you need.

[00:20:18] But yes, Klaas say getting on base out of the nine spot and stealing.

[00:20:24] I think it's going to make a big difference if he can continue to get on base.

[00:20:27] This lineup, though, still continues to change a lot of Mitch Garver

[00:20:32] comes becomes his true form here over the coming weeks.

[00:20:35] Then we could have a whole other discussion

[00:20:37] of how to structure this lineup, because as of right now,

[00:20:39] I mean, we're throwing around the idea of Mitch Garver hitting,

[00:20:42] you know, like around the six spot, potentially,

[00:20:45] depending on the left right matchup.

[00:20:47] Well, if like Mitch Garver is hitting as he is,

[00:20:50] he's probably too good of a hitter to be hitting down there.

[00:20:53] And then that comes for more reevaluation of this lineup.

[00:20:56] I will say he did hit lower in the lineup with the Rangers last year

[00:21:00] because that lineup was pretty loaded.

[00:21:02] But the caliber of bat from Mitch Garver is enough to be higher on that lineup.

[00:21:07] So when Garver starts hitting again, we potentially have to revisit

[00:21:10] this conversation of how how if we were Scott Service

[00:21:13] sitting there in the lineup, constructing this lineup,

[00:21:15] how best to operate that that could be like have another discussion to have.

[00:21:23] I was on the wavelength of he hit lower in the order with the Rangers

[00:21:27] when they went on their postseason run, he was so, so impactful

[00:21:32] out of the middle to bottom of the order around that six spot.

[00:21:35] Even if Garver starts to hit, who says that isn't his best spot?

[00:21:39] Even if he's one of the most impactful bats in your lineup

[00:21:41] and one of the best hitters in your lineup.

[00:21:43] If the guy's hitting ahead of Mitch Garver or JP, Julio,

[00:21:47] Polanco at three, Callit four, Hanager at five.

[00:21:50] That doesn't seem crazy.

[00:21:51] That doesn't seem crazy to leave Garver at six and just let him do his thing.

[00:21:55] So I don't think it's a crazy idea that even when he starts to heat up

[00:21:58] because he will, he's too good a hit or not to and he just hit six.

[00:22:03] You're right. You're right.

[00:22:04] And ultimately, that's up for this.

[00:22:06] The skipper to decide.

[00:22:07] And even so, you're when when you build a lineup right that you think,

[00:22:10] oh, Ty France is hitting after that.

[00:22:12] And then the third base platoon is hitting well.

[00:22:14] And then whoever's in left field,

[00:22:16] because then if they're healthy at that point, remember,

[00:22:18] can zones in that spot instead of class, say, think just think about that.

[00:22:23] Think about the think about the potential runs scoring

[00:22:27] the the run scoring environment you could create with that lineup.

[00:22:30] Fully healthy and fully hitting pop discipline.

[00:22:34] And unfortunately, not a lot of speed.

[00:22:36] I you know, the the main point I think it took away from this week.

[00:22:40] Not a whole like there's really not a ton of elite speed on the

[00:22:44] on on the Mariners roster is just Julio pretty much when everyone's

[00:22:47] starting. Otherwise, it's average, which is why it's very refreshing

[00:22:51] to have class as you mentioned.

[00:22:53] I'll throw Dimo in there, too.

[00:22:54] But that's the only other guy that really has speed on the team,

[00:22:56] which makes playing part time part time. Right. Yeah.

[00:23:00] But just of the guys on the roster that can run Julio, it's demo.

[00:23:05] And now it's class, which makes me wonder

[00:23:08] if can zone gets back and class is proved his worth.

[00:23:11] This class, they stick around.

[00:23:13] There's a chance that if he proves that what he brings to the table

[00:23:17] has done enough to help the Mariners win games and he's proven that this spark

[00:23:21] has lasted over a prolonged period of time and the team is better

[00:23:24] with them than without him.

[00:23:26] That becomes another conversation.

[00:23:28] I don't think Luke Rayleigh's gotten anywhere close to a fair shake at all.

[00:23:32] But if class is proven to be this good,

[00:23:36] maybe there is a conversation about does Rayleigh go down

[00:23:39] to come up for a period of time or do they do something with Luke Rayleigh,

[00:23:42] especially if Rayleigh's not hitting in the three or so week

[00:23:44] that can zone is going to be out for the class in this good.

[00:23:47] And he adds speed.

[00:23:49] You may say my only pushback on that is I know that class

[00:23:53] is better as a right handed hitter, not a left handed.

[00:23:56] He's a switch hitter, but he's a better right handed hitter.

[00:23:59] And Rayleigh is obviously a left hand hitter

[00:24:02] and depends what they want on their bench. Right.

[00:24:06] And this is a this is a pretty righty heavy team.

[00:24:09] But then they'd also get can zone back who is a lefty.

[00:24:12] That's fair point.

[00:24:14] So that's a good question.

[00:24:15] Good question to solve.

[00:24:17] Then Demo would instead of being auxiliary outfielder

[00:24:19] would go back to being an auxiliary infielder.

[00:24:21] And then Klaas would be the one who could

[00:24:24] be serviceable in all spots, most likely spend time in left

[00:24:29] and center field.

[00:24:30] So it worked out.

[00:24:31] You think about it.

[00:24:31] That would be as you as you talked about on Wednesday's episode,

[00:24:34] a weapon to have in the playoffs if you were able to use him

[00:24:37] on the base paths.

[00:24:38] Mm hmm. Absolutely.

[00:24:40] And a weapon to use the rest of the year, too.

[00:24:42] You need a pinch runner late in the game.

[00:24:44] Who's getting the call?

[00:24:44] It's not even a question.

[00:24:45] It's him that changes things.

[00:24:48] Yeah. And yeah, guys, I know we didn't mention Sebi's follow.

[00:24:51] I know. The Sebi's of all a discourse is ridiculous at this hour.

[00:24:56] Like, guys, if you're if you're in that boat

[00:25:00] talking about Sebi's of all in a negative light on Twitter,

[00:25:03] he said 12 at bats.

[00:25:05] All right. He's played like three and a half games.

[00:25:08] Can we can we chill out a little bit about the backup catcher, please?

[00:25:11] Just a little.

[00:25:13] I just have like a hard time.

[00:25:14] Like, first of all, backup catchers are backups for a reason.

[00:25:17] If they were good enough to be like be like a good big league catcher,

[00:25:22] usually they're not backups.

[00:25:23] So they're kind of hard to find if you're going to get a good backup

[00:25:26] catcher. Usually it's when you develop where I see people.

[00:25:28] Oh, they should call Perry Ford. No, they should not call Perry Ford

[00:25:32] if they want Harry Ford catching.

[00:25:34] So Sebi's staying.

[00:25:35] He's staying until they decide to to to do something else.

[00:25:39] And he plays once a week, gets what?

[00:25:42] Three at bats a week.

[00:25:43] So I have a hard time losing too much sleep over that.

[00:25:48] And how does that help Harry Ford in any way if he's playing

[00:25:51] once to twice a week doesn't let him play.

[00:25:53] And oh, by the way, we love Harry Ford.

[00:25:56] We know he's a great player.

[00:25:58] But just speaking on his first few games in double A,

[00:26:01] he isn't off to the hottest start at the plate.

[00:26:04] You want to yank a 21 year old who's off to a slow start

[00:26:07] at the plate in double A from double A to the big leagues.

[00:26:10] It seems a little premature.

[00:26:12] Of course I do, Lyle. Come on.

[00:26:16] Yeah, I think Sebi's all is fine, guys again.

[00:26:19] He's played barely at all.

[00:26:21] Let's give him let's give him some time.

[00:26:23] All right. Like it's April 18th when we're recording this.

[00:26:26] And like, did you guys expect him to be an offensive contributor?

[00:26:30] I didn't like once you once we get past that mental block,

[00:26:34] it becomes a lot easier to see, like, you know, on on the days

[00:26:37] the backup catcher is playing.

[00:26:39] Don't expect a lot of the back out of the catcher position in the lineup.

[00:26:42] Yeah, it's OK.

[00:26:43] His defense probably needs to get a little better.

[00:26:46] Hasn't been great.

[00:26:48] A little bit, but he is known for being a defender.

[00:26:50] So you would assume that it would.

[00:26:52] And again, he's played three and a half games or whatever it is.

[00:26:56] And keep in mind, too, this is not a Mariners thing

[00:26:59] when you have a backup catcher in on a Sunday afternoon

[00:27:02] that doesn't hit a lot.

[00:27:04] That's a major league baseball thing for the most part.

[00:27:06] For the most part, most teams do not have when they're at their best.

[00:27:10] Alejandro Kirk and Danny Jansen, like the Blue Jays do.

[00:27:13] Like years where Kirk and Jansen were both playing at their peak

[00:27:19] when they were both arguably top 10 catchers.

[00:27:21] Most teams do not have that.

[00:27:22] Most teams have a starter and a true backup.

[00:27:26] And the true backup doesn't play that often.

[00:27:28] It doesn't hit a whole lot.

[00:27:29] But he's there to play defense

[00:27:30] and give the main guy a little bit of a time off.

[00:27:33] And if people want more reassurance that like just give Sebi Saval a chance,

[00:27:39] go check Tom Murphy's baseball reference page and then get back to us.

[00:27:43] We love the Murph, but he ain't off to a hot start

[00:27:46] as evident from him getting on the hot mic this weekend

[00:27:49] and just dropping a major F bomb.

[00:27:52] If anyone needs a summary of how Tom Murphy season is going,

[00:27:55] go to our Twitter account, watch that clip.

[00:27:57] And that's all you need to watch.

[00:27:59] That's how his season has been.

[00:28:01] Yeah. Yeah, it's been a tough go for Murph.

[00:28:05] But you know what?

[00:28:07] I think the Mariners lineup is trending in the right direction.

[00:28:09] I think that's very, very apparent from how they played against the Reds.

[00:28:12] I think it's fair to expect a series win against the Rockies this weekend.

[00:28:16] You can't ever expect a series sweep

[00:28:18] ever in baseball, but they should win this series against the Rockies.

[00:28:23] And they should score some runs against that rotation

[00:28:26] because their rotation is not very good in that ballpark.

[00:28:29] Although I will say the weather doesn't look too appealing this weekend.

[00:28:33] Oh, like a place that probably should have built a should they built a roof?

[00:28:39] No, who needs roofs on a ballpark where games can get canceled for water?

[00:28:43] No. OK, I will say

[00:28:46] when I say unappealing weather, it looks like it's going to be fairly cold.

[00:28:50] I don't know if it's supposed to rain, at least on the forecast

[00:28:52] on the weather app. It didn't say any rain yet.

[00:28:54] It just looked like it was going to be a little bit cold the first two days.

[00:28:57] So the roof argument reigns supreme, though,

[00:28:59] because 50 percent of today's baseball games got rained out.

[00:29:03] Sad. Yeah, that's a good way to summarize it.

[00:29:06] Build a roof, people.

[00:29:08] When we went on this ran a couple of podcasts ago,

[00:29:11] so I won't go on for a long time about it.

[00:29:13] But yes, if you're building a new stadium,

[00:29:15] it should not even be allowed to be approved without having a roof.

[00:29:18] You either build a ballpark like Wrigley Field

[00:29:20] or you put a roof on your stadium. Those are that's it.

[00:29:23] Those are the only two boxes you can check one or the other. Correct.

[00:29:27] It's that simple.

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[00:29:41] The Durbin Marshall Credit Card Bill would enact harmful

[00:29:43] credit card routing mandates that would end credit card rewards.

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[00:29:50] tell your lawmakers hands off my rewards.

[00:29:53] Tell them to oppose the Durbin Marshall Credit Card Bill.

[00:29:58] All right, let's move on to our second storyline here.

[00:30:02] Taylor Saucedo.

[00:30:03] Now we're going to try and get in serious mode here when talking about sauce,

[00:30:07] because as we've talked about, there's two modes you kind of have to be in.

[00:30:11] And as much as we love to talk about sauce, picking up a bat

[00:30:14] and hitting a 500 foot bomb against Josh Rojas or the always,

[00:30:18] always entertaining Babe Ruth talk, we're going to talk about

[00:30:21] what he's actually done on the mound so far this year,

[00:30:23] because he has been awesome.

[00:30:26] This whole bullpen has stepped up big time in the absence of Matt Brash

[00:30:29] and Gregory Santos, and you could highlight a bunch of different guys.

[00:30:32] I talked about Trent Thornton this week on Twitter saying how he's been

[00:30:35] way underappreciated, but we're going to focus on sauce for this segment

[00:30:39] because he has been used in just about every situation so far this year

[00:30:43] and he is rose and above the moment every time the dude's got a 274 ERA

[00:30:49] and all of his expected numbers are even better than that.

[00:30:51] He has looked dominant.

[00:30:54] His performance off the field has been more important.

[00:30:56] The Mariners are five and two since he tweeted Babe Ruth is real.

[00:31:01] You see the point of the season that the reverse jinx does work sometimes.

[00:31:05] Now you've got us back into Babe Ruth sauce sauce mode.

[00:31:09] He directly contributed, contributed to this.

[00:31:13] The Mariners had an excellent week because of that tweet.

[00:31:19] You know what?

[00:31:19] How do we up his war for that?

[00:31:21] Like, how do we call it?

[00:31:22] Fan graphs and baseball reference and say, you know what?

[00:31:25] Push it up.

[00:31:25] I don't think anyone like you can't prove that they didn't.

[00:31:28] No, you can't.

[00:31:30] It's like the the imaginary Babe Ruth came out of the sky

[00:31:33] because he was imaginary, right?

[00:31:35] And he he was a ghost back in the 1900s when he was playing for the Yankees.

[00:31:39] So he's still alive, obviously, because he's immortal, comes down

[00:31:42] and is like, I appreciate you supporting me sauce.

[00:31:45] Here's a five and two week.

[00:31:48] I really tried to start that segment serious.

[00:31:50] I really did say, you know, he's really pitching well.

[00:31:53] Everything's working for him right now.

[00:31:55] Immediately back to Babe Ruth talk.

[00:31:58] Do you want some statistical analysis?

[00:32:00] Look at his look at his baseball savant page.

[00:32:03] Those of you who who like dabbling in that and come away

[00:32:07] with any terminology besides holy shit, I dare you.

[00:32:10] I dare you. It is a lot of red.

[00:32:13] He's doing a lot of things that he probably won't sustain.

[00:32:15] He's striking out a third of his batters.

[00:32:17] He's not a strikeout pitcher.

[00:32:18] He struck out 21 percent of his batters last season.

[00:32:21] His sinker has been way better than it was last season.

[00:32:25] Like it's up to an exceptional start.

[00:32:27] So far this season, we're talking to like a one

[00:32:30] thirty eight expected batting average one sixty two X slugging.

[00:32:34] The the average exit velocity off of it is not even eighty four.

[00:32:38] Like it's absurd.

[00:32:39] That is an absurd pitch at that moment.

[00:32:42] Those numbers are pretty hard to sustain.

[00:32:44] They'll probably come up a little bit.

[00:32:46] But, you know, outside of some bad luck against the Red Sox,

[00:32:49] where the Red Sox managed to drive in a handful of runs off of him

[00:32:52] on pitches that were not even close to being strikes.

[00:32:55] But somehow they put the bat on the ball and all you can do is tip your hat to them.

[00:32:58] He's been, you know, he's been like total lockdown.

[00:33:03] And it's come to the point where Scott Service,

[00:33:06] you know, trusts him to get the biggest outs when they need him the most.

[00:33:11] Ryan Stanek's melting down on Tuesday night.

[00:33:13] And Scott needs a guy out of the bullpen and Stanek dives into the turf.

[00:33:18] And he he roughs up his hand and and sauce needs to get ready quickly.

[00:33:23] And and it is sauce that comes in and gets the final out for Scott.

[00:33:27] That was, you know, you are you familiar with leverage index?

[00:33:32] I don't know. Like on Savant.

[00:33:34] No, it's on fan grass. It's a fan grass stance. So.

[00:33:38] It is the higher the number, the more the higher leverage

[00:33:43] the situation is, I forget if one or zero is average,

[00:33:45] but there is an average number there.

[00:33:47] I believe I believe one is like average leverage index.

[00:33:51] And then anything above is way more anything below is not leverage.

[00:33:57] But that was the second highest leverage situation.

[00:34:00] He's entered in on the Mariners like that's pretty, pretty telling.

[00:34:03] Hey, the game's on the line.

[00:34:04] We struggled to start this year.

[00:34:05] Sauce is coming in to close out this game.

[00:34:09] Pretty cool, pretty, pretty cool that it's that of all guys.

[00:34:12] I mean, it's Sauceto.

[00:34:13] Hey, get up quickly and get got to get this.

[00:34:15] That's the guy he trusts to go get that right there.

[00:34:17] That's kind of speaks a lot.

[00:34:19] And it comes back to Scott saying, hey, he's our silver bullet.

[00:34:22] You can do a whole lot of things for this team.

[00:34:25] I was going to say you look at the outing he had against the Reds

[00:34:28] where he comes in for one batter, gets the final out

[00:34:31] and gets him out of a jam to win the game.

[00:34:34] Paired with not too long ago, he was in Milwaukee

[00:34:37] throwing two and two thirds innings of scoreless ball

[00:34:41] because when Emerson Hancock got roughed up,

[00:34:43] the Mariners needed a lot of bullpen help that day.

[00:34:46] They had to fill a lot of innings.

[00:34:47] And sauce usually doesn't go prolonged outings like that.

[00:34:51] It's just usually not the way he's been deployed.

[00:34:54] He went two and two thirds innings of scoreless ball.

[00:34:56] He threw 40 plus pitches.

[00:34:58] He was awesome.

[00:34:59] So they've used him in a lot of different ways.

[00:35:01] I think that's what Scott Service means by calling him

[00:35:03] their silver bullet.

[00:35:04] He's pitched in so many different scenarios this year,

[00:35:08] and none of them have proven to be too much for him

[00:35:10] to the point where Scott called him a utility reliever

[00:35:13] during his media session on Wednesday.

[00:35:15] I actually like that phrasing, meaning it does not matter

[00:35:18] what situation you throw sauce into.

[00:35:21] He's built for it and he can execute.

[00:35:23] He's proven that so far through the first month of April.

[00:35:27] And having that paired with Gabe Spier,

[00:35:29] two really dominant lefties that you can trust.

[00:35:32] That does a lot for a bullpen.

[00:35:35] I'm kind of jealous of the situation Scott Service is in

[00:35:38] when managing his bullpen, when Santos and Brash get back,

[00:35:41] you're going to have four high leverage righties,

[00:35:45] a high leverage lefty, a utility reliever

[00:35:48] in Taylor Saucedo, who can do everything

[00:35:51] and then a long guy in Austin both.

[00:35:53] Isn't that every manager's dream right there?

[00:35:57] And you're still leaving out Trent Thornton.

[00:35:59] This dude.

[00:35:59] Oh, sorry. Yeah.

[00:36:00] And he's been Trent.

[00:36:01] Trent's been really good so far.

[00:36:03] Isn't Trent's ERA now under one?

[00:36:06] I can confirm that in a second here, but this dude has been

[00:36:08] almost impeccable.

[00:36:10] Trent Thornton and if Trent Thornton is literally

[00:36:12] the last guy in the bullpen, that's crazy.

[00:36:16] Or maybe you call it both.

[00:36:18] It both going to be more of the long reliever

[00:36:20] or is used in different situations, too,

[00:36:21] because both been more used as a traditional reliever

[00:36:23] so far rather than used at length.

[00:36:26] But if that's your last guy.

[00:36:27] OK, Thornton's ERA is slightly above one.

[00:36:30] It's 104.

[00:36:31] No, that's if that if that's the last guy.

[00:36:35] If that's the last guy in the bullpen.

[00:36:38] How like remember those lists that came out

[00:36:40] that legitimately did not have the Mariners bullpen

[00:36:42] in the top 10 to start the year?

[00:36:46] I don't know what those lists were doing.

[00:36:47] I don't know if they were trying to stir the pot,

[00:36:49] but I'll tell you what that bullpen when Brash and Santos

[00:36:52] is back are back.

[00:36:54] Not only is that absolutely a top ten bullpen,

[00:36:56] that might be the number one bullpen.

[00:36:58] You know, makes Taylor even more valuable.

[00:37:00] It seems like more and more the the Mariners want to use Gabe Spire

[00:37:04] as as the high leverage lefty, the most dangerous spot

[00:37:08] where lefties are coming up.

[00:37:10] I would assume Scott, if if he doesn't already have Munoz

[00:37:13] or one of those high leverage guys in there,

[00:37:15] he wants Spire in there.

[00:37:17] Spire it like Spire has pitched this year.

[00:37:19] He looks like he could borderline close.

[00:37:22] Like that's how good our guy gave us looked.

[00:37:24] But you also might need another turn through the lineup

[00:37:27] with lefties and having a guy like sauce to also be there

[00:37:31] and do that with, you know, no disrespect to how sauce

[00:37:34] has started the season.

[00:37:35] But like a utility, like an ultra utility lefty

[00:37:38] and then a high leverage lefty too.

[00:37:40] It's like the perfect combination, the perfect

[00:37:43] like double barrel of lefty you can have.

[00:37:47] That this team has to get to the playoffs, dude,

[00:37:49] they just have to and they have to stay healthy.

[00:37:52] But if you get to the playoffs with this rotation

[00:37:55] and this bullpen, good luck to every opposing team.

[00:37:58] Like just get in the offense is enough when they

[00:38:02] when everybody starts to click and they will

[00:38:04] when Garber starts to click, when Ty France really starts

[00:38:06] hitting for some power, everybody, JP Julio.

[00:38:11] That is a good enough offense to get yourself

[00:38:14] through the postseason paired with what might be the best rotation

[00:38:17] and bullpen and baseball.

[00:38:18] If this bullpen can all stay healthy and those are your eight guys

[00:38:22] going into the postseason.

[00:38:23] There's no bullpen out there that's that good,

[00:38:26] like the Mariners have that no bullpen is going to match that.

[00:38:29] If everything goes the way we think it's going to go.

[00:38:31] And when Taylor Sauceto is your utility reliever

[00:38:34] and he's your number five or six guy out of the bullpen.

[00:38:37] But he's been so good that his XERA sits at 154.

[00:38:43] It's amazing what the Mariners continue to do with bullpen arms

[00:38:46] and what Taylor Sauceto himself has managed to do since getting to Seattle,

[00:38:50] because all of his hilarious offfield theatrics aside,

[00:38:53] which we love when it's time for him to get serious and get on the mound.

[00:38:57] He gets up there and dominates.

[00:39:00] Yes, sir.

[00:39:00] He follows the north star to the mound in through the lineup.

[00:39:04] Yes, he does.

[00:39:04] Sorry I had to get one last one in there before we get to on the farm.

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[00:40:17] Let's go down on the farm.

[00:40:21] OK, Lyle, first time we're doing this segment this season.

[00:40:25] Who is your standout Mariners minor leaguer of the week?

[00:40:30] This is a little bit of a double edged sword, but it's Colt Emerson.

[00:40:33] So let's give you the full picture here.

[00:40:35] His first five games in Modesto guy is off to a torrid start.

[00:40:40] Three eighteen average two bombs, nine ninety one OPS.

[00:40:44] There was already thought that Colt Emerson could be a fast riser,

[00:40:47] despite how young he is because of his advanced approach.

[00:40:50] The amazing hit tool, the power he possesses.

[00:40:53] And he seems to be proving that early on.

[00:40:55] So far in a short sample size down in low A,

[00:40:58] he has proved that league to be absolutely no trouble.

[00:41:02] There are people out there all of a sudden now talking about Colt Emerson

[00:41:05] having the potential not locking it in, but having the potential

[00:41:09] to be the number one prospect in all of baseball at some point.

[00:41:12] Number one in the game, he is that good with that much upside.

[00:41:16] And he's shown it so far early on.

[00:41:18] Unfortunately, the other side to this is he just hit the I.L.

[00:41:23] this week, which really sucks.

[00:41:25] He has no bleak injury.

[00:41:26] That's all the information we have on it right now.

[00:41:29] So he's going to miss some time.

[00:41:30] Sometimes oblique injuries take a while.

[00:41:32] They can be six to eight weeks.

[00:41:33] Sometimes they're much less like two to three.

[00:41:35] We don't have any other further information on it right now.

[00:41:38] Let's hope it's short because I don't want to see Colt Emerson's

[00:41:42] development get hindered in any way.

[00:41:44] I want to see everything that guy can do as he continues

[00:41:47] to work his way through the minors.

[00:41:48] So awesome. He got off to a hot start.

[00:41:50] Hopefully he's not out long.

[00:41:52] Oh, it stinks.

[00:41:54] They didn't. Yeah.

[00:41:56] Hopefully comes back fast because like he was a guy who legitimately

[00:41:59] could reach double A this year, at least I even like

[00:42:03] he like one hot streak in Everett, essentially away from

[00:42:07] from going up. You get like it's a given.

[00:42:09] He's going to get promoted to Everett this year.

[00:42:10] Almost certainly given, like you said, he's he is just tormented

[00:42:14] Modesto, but like Arkansas, very realistic for him this year,

[00:42:19] which which stinks.

[00:42:20] And if this might throw a wrench in that and he might have

[00:42:24] too much catching up to do.

[00:42:25] But again, we'll see.

[00:42:26] Hopefully this is on the lower end of oblique injuries

[00:42:29] and not the higher end.

[00:42:30] If this doesn't keep him out too long, who's to say that

[00:42:34] when he comes back and plays a few more games in Modesto

[00:42:36] improves that maybe it's too easy for him.

[00:42:38] He goes to Everett.

[00:42:40] And even if it's a short sample in Arkansas,

[00:42:42] knowing how the Mariners often operate things

[00:42:46] and like to push guys a little bit, I still wouldn't be shocked

[00:42:50] if because the double A season goes a little bit longer

[00:42:52] that if Colt hits that well in Everett

[00:42:55] last week of the season, they give them a week in Arkansas.

[00:42:58] I wouldn't be shocked, which that would be cool in itself.

[00:43:00] He's 19 in Arkansas.

[00:43:03] Yeah, like says virus up.

[00:43:06] Yeah, says a lot.

[00:43:07] Well, potential future teammate of Colt Emerson,

[00:43:09] who I'm picking, Tyler Lockyer has just murdered the ball this year.

[00:43:13] 903 OPS already reaching base about 38 percent of the time.

[00:43:17] He had a three run dinger on Thursday already has three home runs

[00:43:21] just for some context.

[00:43:22] He got promoted to double A last year, just one home run in 22 games.

[00:43:26] But he's already got three this year.

[00:43:28] It's in 10 of 11 games to start this year.

[00:43:31] This dude's going to probably play in the big leagues this year.

[00:43:33] He feels like.

[00:43:36] I don't like I'm going to knock on wood right now,

[00:43:38] hoping this like an injury does not happen.

[00:43:41] But like if Mitch Garver went out with injury in like June,

[00:43:46] he's your replacement, right?

[00:43:47] He's got to be feels like it.

[00:43:50] It certainly feels like it if he's hitting this way.

[00:43:52] And I keep wondering again, how much can this guy force the issue?

[00:43:56] I know when we talked to Jason Churchill about it,

[00:43:59] he was a little less optimistic than I've been or maybe the two of us are.

[00:44:04] But I don't I don't know

[00:44:05] if Locklear hits like this all year and we get to the summer days,

[00:44:10] if it's late June, it's July and Locklear still hitting like this in double A.

[00:44:16] The Mariners may have to find some solution for him,

[00:44:18] because if he's forcing their hand this much and he proves that

[00:44:22] he could be an impact bad on the big league roster.

[00:44:25] You may have to give the guy a shot because he is such a good hitter

[00:44:29] and he's already showing it.

[00:44:30] I just don't know where he plays if everyone's healthy.

[00:44:32] That that is the caveat.

[00:44:37] He's not he can't really play third base.

[00:44:39] He was drafted as a third baseman.

[00:44:41] He is basically a first baseman and DH at this point.

[00:44:44] Maybe if his bat is truly good enough,

[00:44:47] you let him use up a spot on the bench.

[00:44:49] But obviously, that does hamper your ability to be flexible in the field.

[00:44:53] Late innings, defensive replacements, etc.

[00:44:56] And does no good to his development. Right.

[00:44:59] Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be very, very interesting.

[00:45:02] How they handle his development this year, because you're right.

[00:45:06] There is nowhere for him to play right now.

[00:45:08] But if he's hitting so well that he's forcing the issue

[00:45:11] and I think there's a chance he can do that,

[00:45:14] the Mariners will have decisions to make,

[00:45:15] which will be a very good problem to have small sample to.

[00:45:19] He did control the strike zone a little bit better when he was in double A

[00:45:22] last year, but we are talking about a sample size of under

[00:45:26] 22 games last year and 10 this year.

[00:45:28] So it's like if we're just going to nitpick where he could still improve,

[00:45:32] we would probably be walking a little bit more.

[00:45:34] But as the season goes along, we'll get a clearer picture of where that is.

[00:45:37] But, you know, Tyler Locklear, he's looking closer and closer

[00:45:40] to a big leaguer and yeah, first injury bat replacement they need.

[00:45:44] It's it's going to it's going to be him.

[00:45:47] Be pretty confident in saying that.

[00:45:49] Yeah, unless it's really early in the year.

[00:45:52] Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:56] Let's get to our Russell Wilson umpire of the week

[00:46:00] for the first time again this season.

[00:46:03] What better way for us to to kick off the season of this Lyle?

[00:46:06] It could only be one umpire.

[00:46:11] Should we give a little bit of context?

[00:46:13] I'm guessing there's some people that are listening to the show now

[00:46:16] that maybe didn't listen when we did it throughout last year.

[00:46:19] Sure. Yeah, OK. So.

[00:46:21] Every week, Lyle and I will pick essentially the worst umpire of the week,

[00:46:26] someone we want to highlight for doing just an exceptional job

[00:46:29] as these men do every single week.

[00:46:34] Now, why do we call it the Russell Wilson umpire of the week?

[00:46:38] Lyle, I'm going to let you handle this this part of it.

[00:46:43] I had to almost give myself a refresher because it's been a whole lot.

[00:46:45] What are the three requirements if you miserably don't see over the middle?

[00:46:50] If you don't let a place, by the way, which that means strike zone,

[00:46:54] strike zone. Yes. Yeah.

[00:46:55] For baseball, strike zone.

[00:46:56] If you don't see over the middle, if you don't let a play develop as an umpire

[00:47:00] or if you're just downright insufferable, which happens a lot,

[00:47:03] you qualify for the award.

[00:47:05] Right. And and bailing at not letting a play develop bailout

[00:47:09] means throwing someone out when you shouldn't.

[00:47:11] Right. Yeah.

[00:47:12] So those are the three benchmarks.

[00:47:14] Angel Hernandez usually hits all three pretty quick.

[00:47:18] Pretty quickly.

[00:47:19] I'm shocked he didn't throw the Texas Rangers television

[00:47:22] announcer out of the game for saying what in the world?

[00:47:28] Could you imagine that if somehow he had an earpiece

[00:47:30] listening to the broadcast or if somebody relayed him the message

[00:47:34] saying this is what the Rangers broadcast just said about you,

[00:47:36] could you imagine him pointing up to actually the Rangers press box

[00:47:40] is really high up like the five hundred.

[00:47:42] They're playing Houston.

[00:47:43] Oh, OK. So in Houston still, could you imagine Angel Hernandez

[00:47:46] reaching or like pointing his finger up to the 200 level

[00:47:49] right at the broadcast booth and doing the eject sign like you're gone

[00:47:53] to a broadcaster?

[00:47:55] That would be a first.

[00:47:56] Thankfully, that day we will get like because we will get the audio reaction

[00:48:01] and every word uttered out of the announcer's mouth

[00:48:04] as he's getting ejected from the game by the home plate umpire.

[00:48:07] That'll be that'll be unreal.

[00:48:09] Yeah. This dude, Angel Hernandez, missed a call

[00:48:14] in that Rangers Astros game that I could not believe

[00:48:18] a human umpire missed, let alone Angel Hernandez.

[00:48:21] Even for Angel Hernandez, this was unbelievable.

[00:48:24] This off speed pitch that he called strike three on to Wyatt Langford

[00:48:28] was the farthest pitch off the zone to ever be called a strike

[00:48:33] since the creation of the umpire auditor.

[00:48:35] And he rung Wyatt Langford up on it.

[00:48:37] If you haven't seen this replay yet, go watch it.

[00:48:40] You will be just as shocked as everybody else was to see

[00:48:43] where this ball landed and to see it get called strike three.

[00:48:47] And the two pitches before were almost as bad.

[00:48:51] Did you call strikes?

[00:48:52] He called three strikes on Wyatt Langford that were that were at least five inches

[00:48:56] off the plate three straight times.

[00:48:59] It is unbelievable how that is possible.

[00:49:02] I don't know how every coach on the Rangers

[00:49:05] didn't get thrown out of the game for watching that at bat.

[00:49:08] I'm shocked why Langford didn't get thrown out of the game.

[00:49:10] Maybe he's too early on in his big league career to feel like he can argue

[00:49:13] with umpires, but that was a new level.

[00:49:16] Bryce Harper would have turned around and punched Angel Hernandez

[00:49:18] in the face if he called that a strike.

[00:49:22] How does the umpires union not do something about this guy at this point?

[00:49:26] I know we always say, why doesn't Major League Baseball do something?

[00:49:29] Well, it's because the umpires have this ridiculous, stupid union

[00:49:32] that they formed all those years ago.

[00:49:35] But if you're the rest of the umpires union,

[00:49:37] why don't you do something about it?

[00:49:40] He is such a bad look, not on just on all of you.

[00:49:44] Other umpires out there.

[00:49:45] But the entire league, dude, it's like it's enough already.

[00:49:50] Get rid of the guy.

[00:49:52] OK, I have a stat for you ready.

[00:49:55] Mm hmm. Of the last 53,000

[00:49:59] called third strikes in MLB games, the Angel Hernandez

[00:50:03] called strike on April 12th was the farthest off the plate.

[00:50:08] Fifty three thousand.

[00:50:12] Do something about it.

[00:50:14] Umpires union again, I don't know what you're waiting for.

[00:50:16] I don't know what your hold up is.

[00:50:18] Stop letting him umpire games.

[00:50:20] I have two more things.

[00:50:21] One, did you see the overlay where they put Rizzo Anthony

[00:50:24] Rizzo in the lefty box?

[00:50:26] Yeah. And so some context of somebody put a ghost of Anthony Rizzo

[00:50:30] in the lefty batter's box and then they threw that pitch.

[00:50:34] The pitch hits Anthony Rizzo.

[00:50:37] If you wanted some context on where that the pitch ended up,

[00:50:40] that's where it would have hit a left handed batter.

[00:50:42] And it was called a strike.

[00:50:43] Second one that wasn't the only bad call Angel made this week.

[00:50:49] Do you remember the other one?

[00:50:50] Well, I saw he missed a total of 21 total balls

[00:50:53] and strikes calls the other day in a separate game.

[00:50:56] Well, OK, well, no, he had that.

[00:50:59] He rung up our good friend Spencer Torkelson

[00:51:02] on a check swing that wasn't a swing.

[00:51:05] In the Mets Tigers game, Torque brings his bat

[00:51:10] parallel to home plate like this as he's swinging

[00:51:12] and the ball clips his hand as he's going by.

[00:51:14] Now, the rule is if you go around and swing, it's a strike

[00:51:19] because you were swinging at the ball.

[00:51:20] Well, Torque didn't swing and the ball still clipped his hand.

[00:51:24] Angel Hernandez then said, no, he swung.

[00:51:27] It's a strike.

[00:51:29] And A.J. Hinch is sitting there like.

[00:51:32] What? And Jason Benetti is like, no, he didn't swing.

[00:51:38] And he's still umping games.

[00:51:40] I don't know. Like, I'm in disbelief.

[00:51:42] I actually I'm not in disbelief.

[00:51:43] I'm in very much belief that he's still doing it.

[00:51:45] I just don't understand why the umpires won't do something.

[00:51:48] Well, not a logical group, Lyle, because if they're logical,

[00:51:52] they would adapt the challenge system right now

[00:51:56] and they would fire Angel Hernandez.

[00:51:59] Or at least demote him.

[00:52:01] How do we get one?

[00:52:02] Whoever the next player is to be on this episode

[00:52:04] or to be on this podcast, I should say, how do we get them

[00:52:07] to start tapping their head when there's a call

[00:52:10] that happens that they disagree with as a way to like

[00:52:14] a way to show protest, but it's not literally turning around

[00:52:17] and showing up the umpire.

[00:52:18] At least like could you do it subtly enough enough times

[00:52:21] before you got thrown out?

[00:52:23] You probably get thrown out the first time or maybe

[00:52:25] the second time, I'll say.

[00:52:26] I'll say the first time they might not notice

[00:52:27] because obviously seeing is an angel Hernandez is strong suit.

[00:52:31] So like why how hard is it for the umpires union to not like

[00:52:36] why can't they have a promotion relegation system like every big leaguer?

[00:52:40] It's a it's a damn meritocracy out there.

[00:52:42] If you suck, you go down to the minor leagues, just like if a player sucks,

[00:52:47] he goes down to the minor leagues.

[00:52:49] Umpire should be held to the same standard that they should be.

[00:52:53] Yeah, our our ump of the week segments don't usually go quite this long.

[00:52:56] But when it's Angel Hernandez or CB Buckner, we'll go on about it.

[00:53:00] You want incentive to be right?

[00:53:01] That's a hell of an incentive to be right.

[00:53:03] You like your paychecks?

[00:53:04] Yeah, you better get these damn calls right.

[00:53:06] Oh, Angel, you will.

[00:53:10] There will never be another like you.

[00:53:12] No, there will not.

[00:53:13] Hopefully they make the umpires union make sure there's not another one like that.

[00:53:17] Yeah. All right.

[00:53:18] Let's let's wrap up with Speak Your Mind here.

[00:53:21] Speak your mind spoke.

[00:53:26] That would be unwise.

[00:53:28] What is necessary is never unwise.

[00:53:32] What are you thinking about this week, teach?

[00:53:36] I don't know how many of you spend a lot of time on the Internet.

[00:53:38] I'm sure a lot because you follow, I assume most of you listening,

[00:53:42] follower stuff or see our stuff on the Internet somehow and not directly

[00:53:46] from Lyle myself, so you probably see something.

[00:53:49] And in case you didn't know, the Seahawks hired a new head coach.

[00:53:51] Why did you know that?

[00:53:52] They hired a new head coach within the last few months.

[00:53:55] And said head coach decides, well,

[00:53:57] I'm replacing a legend, a Hall of Famer, Pete Carroll.

[00:54:01] But I'd like, you know, my own touch on things around the facility

[00:54:05] and the culture wise, the players, my message to the players.

[00:54:08] I'd like to change some things around from how the past regime was.

[00:54:11] It's a fresh start.

[00:54:12] So what Mike McDonald goes and does is he takes down a few pictures

[00:54:17] in the Virginia Mason Athletic Center in Renton

[00:54:21] for the Seahawks practice.

[00:54:22] Just, you know, let's not compare ourselves

[00:54:24] to past generations of Seahawks teams.

[00:54:26] Let's let's forge our own identity.

[00:54:29] Apparently that shouldn't be allowed.

[00:54:31] Apparently, Mike McDonald should not be allowed to

[00:54:33] renovate his facility now for his team.

[00:54:38] He shouldn't be allowed to do that.

[00:54:41] It wasn't even that many pictures either.

[00:54:43] John Schneider was just on Seattle Sports talking about how one,

[00:54:46] they're starting to go more digital and that if you walk into another part

[00:54:51] of their facility, they have names and pictures up of every player

[00:54:54] to ever be on the roster, at least they have nameplates

[00:54:56] of everybody to ever be on the roster paired with all these other pictures.

[00:55:00] And again, digital things are going to have up soon

[00:55:02] of all these great moments.

[00:55:04] And Pete Carroll and Richard Sherman and Bobby Wagner and everybody.

[00:55:07] They're not getting rid of all of it.

[00:55:09] There's just a portion that they're going to start to change

[00:55:13] because they have a new head coach, a head coach wants to redecorate

[00:55:15] some things which he should have every right to do.

[00:55:17] And he's also doing the right thing.

[00:55:19] Tell your guys, look, we're not going to dwell on the past.

[00:55:22] Make your own legacy.

[00:55:24] That's what they should be doing.

[00:55:25] This should be the bit like people should expect this to happen.

[00:55:28] I'm shocked that there's so much pushback on this.

[00:55:31] In summary, there are a lot of people freaking out about this.

[00:55:34] It's bizarre.

[00:55:35] Like he took down the basketball hoop in the in the meeting room

[00:55:38] and we were like, how could he?

[00:55:40] How could he take away the basketball hoop, not the basketball hoop?

[00:55:45] Come on.

[00:55:47] Like there were real reporters going like, what is Mike McDonald doing?

[00:55:51] This the the Seahawks are doomed.

[00:55:54] Real people said that.

[00:55:56] Rich Eisen spent 10 minutes on his show today talking about it.

[00:56:00] Rich, it's not a big deal.

[00:56:03] Who the hell cares?

[00:56:05] But again, don't you want more winning seasons?

[00:56:10] AKA give your guys the mindset

[00:56:14] that you have to create your own path and build your own narrative.

[00:56:18] What's the big deal?

[00:56:19] What do you think Pete gives a fuck at all?

[00:56:23] No, he Pete is still drawing like Pete's still drawing a paycheck this year.

[00:56:28] Mm hmm. He doesn't like like it does not matter.

[00:56:31] Literally, it could not matter less.

[00:56:34] Like there's a joke out like I will get I'll say some of

[00:56:36] there are some jokes out there are funny that like someone was like, yeah,

[00:56:39] Mike McDonald melted down the Lombardi into an ashtray in John Snyder's office.

[00:56:45] And I got a good chuckle.

[00:56:46] I wouldn't a good chuckle out of that.

[00:56:48] I would have been shocked if someone actually believed that.

[00:56:50] Yeah, Mike McDonald hates the Lombardi.

[00:56:52] He hates he's going to erase the champion.

[00:56:53] He's wiping away the ring of honor to what else?

[00:56:56] We're blowing up Lumen Field.

[00:56:58] They're going to they're going to play at where should they play with high school?

[00:57:03] They should play at Roosevelt High School.

[00:57:04] That's where they should play. Yeah, they're starting all over again.

[00:57:07] What about I'm going to blank on the name of it.

[00:57:10] Where Ballard High School play the one memorial stadium,

[00:57:13] Memorial Stadium. Yeah.

[00:57:15] Yeah, they play Memorial Stadium. Beautiful facility.

[00:57:19] But you can rename it McDonald Stadium because,

[00:57:23] yeah, he wants his own stamp on it while.

[00:57:25] Uh huh. Like people got people need to chill out again.

[00:57:29] There's still past memorabilia hanging up everywhere.

[00:57:33] They just they replace some things.

[00:57:35] What's the big deal?

[00:57:37] Just like people were acting like

[00:57:41] I don't know.

[00:57:43] Can't expect everyone to be rational.

[00:57:45] Well, can't expect it.

[00:57:47] No, you can't.

[00:57:48] I, for one, am excited about the new Seahawks era.

[00:57:50] I'm excited for Mike McDonald.

[00:57:51] And because of that, we're going to let him do his thing.

[00:57:54] So that's what I agree on that.

[00:57:57] Yeah. What's on my speaker mind this week?

[00:58:00] Speaking of the Internet,

[00:58:02] things that go viral on the Internet make absolutely no sense.

[00:58:06] I know you and I talked about this this week over text.

[00:58:09] So the Mariners have this new celebration, right?

[00:58:11] When they hit home runs, you see Cal Raleigh at the very least

[00:58:14] have done it a couple of times now

[00:58:16] where he taps his fist twice and puts the one finger up in the air.

[00:58:22] For those who don't know what that is,

[00:58:24] especially if you're not online,

[00:58:26] that is a notion made by a streamer whose name is Sketch.

[00:58:31] And when he does that, when he taps his fist twice

[00:58:33] and puts his finger in the air, he says, What's up, brother?

[00:58:36] That is the whole reason he's gone viral.

[00:58:39] Now, I know he's built up a following and all that stuff,

[00:58:41] but this is why over the last month or so,

[00:58:44] he's become the most popular guy on the Internet.

[00:58:46] It's this dude who taps his fist, puts his finger in the air,

[00:58:49] he goes, What's up, brother?

[00:58:50] And now you see all these team social media accounts

[00:58:52] doing content with it, getting their players to say, What's up, brother?

[00:58:55] Sticking their fingers in the air.

[00:58:56] The Mariners did some stuff like that recently.

[00:58:58] They did a What's up, brother, as they entered the facility that day.

[00:59:01] I love Munoz's celebration of that. He's like, what?

[00:59:04] No, he had no idea.

[00:59:05] I don't think Logan had much of an idea either.

[00:59:07] Yeah, to be honest, I didn't know there.

[00:59:08] So well, actually, they asked they asked Rick Riz at the end of it, too.

[00:59:12] They said, What's up, brother?

[00:59:13] And obviously, Riz has no idea.

[00:59:16] It's like, What's up is another Mariners win.

[00:59:18] He's like, Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah, Rick.

[00:59:19] Yeah. Well, I do like that mentality.

[00:59:22] But it just makes no sense.

[00:59:24] If one of us was to take a video saying, What's up, brother?

[00:59:28] I don't think we're going viral.

[00:59:29] And I'm saying if we had done that before, sketch was ever famous.

[00:59:33] I don't think we're going viral, which is why it makes no sense.

[00:59:35] The things that go viral, special teams, special players, special plays.

[00:59:39] Right. Is that what it is?

[00:59:40] So that's the second thing that he always says that's gone viral.

[00:59:44] I think you slightly jumbled.

[00:59:45] I think it's special teams, special plays, special players.

[00:59:48] OK. Yeah, we need to do something stupid.

[00:59:50] Go viral and retire.

[00:59:52] Which we do.

[00:59:53] Should we do? We need to figure something out.

[00:59:55] I think that's on our to do list this year.

[00:59:58] Hmm. Hmm.

[01:00:00] Well, what could be original?

[01:00:02] I'm thinking of all these like recreated things we could do.

[01:00:04] Could we make a scene on an airplane and get kicked off?

[01:00:10] Yeah, I guess so.

[01:00:11] Although I know she came back in the news this week, not for good reason.

[01:00:15] Let's see.

[01:00:17] Yeah, I don't know. We could do that.

[01:00:19] You do that. I mean, I've done things that could get.

[01:00:21] No, not actually, you know, not make me famous.

[01:00:23] No, probably not for good reason.

[01:00:25] Yeah, we could do something though.

[01:00:26] Something like emotion or saying or.

[01:00:29] Yeah, let's let's start a suggestion box for this.

[01:00:32] What ridiculously stupid things could we do that are original

[01:00:35] that somehow make us go famous on the Internet?

[01:00:37] Well, you guys can let us know we can all we can all create an idea box

[01:00:41] together of what we could do to somehow blow up.

[01:00:45] Yeah, I like that idea.

[01:00:46] Yeah, again, like Internet fame and not having to work much anymore.

[01:00:51] That sounds pretty good to me, Lyle.

[01:00:52] So let's do it.

[01:00:53] Let's do it.

[01:00:54] Because sketches life right now looks great.

[01:00:56] He's living life.

[01:00:58] The does he make a lot of money?

[01:01:00] I'm assuming he's famous now.

[01:01:02] So yeah, he's probably going to.

[01:01:06] He's probably going to get like sponsorships and stuff now.

[01:01:08] Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know.

[01:01:11] But but he's certainly got a lot of eyeballs on him,

[01:01:13] and that's what people value.

[01:01:15] So, yeah, again, the things that blow up on the Internet make no sense.

[01:01:20] No, I couldn't.

[01:01:21] I couldn't have imagined a million years this would be famous.

[01:01:24] But now it is the thing that's famous.

[01:01:27] What's up? Did it start before this week?

[01:01:30] Yeah, I would say the last month or so it's been a thing.

[01:01:33] And over the last few weeks, it's really picked up.

[01:01:36] OK, well, I think that's something for us to brainstorm.

[01:01:40] OK, well, like, like, do you remember when Cal hit the home run in Toronto?

[01:01:43] He did it then, too.

[01:01:43] That was over a week ago.

[01:01:45] Yeah. Yeah. So.

[01:01:47] I don't know.

[01:01:48] Things blow up for weird reasons, but welcome to Internet culture.

[01:01:53] Yeah. OK.

[01:01:55] I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast.

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