Episode 126: Ryan Divish (Seattle Times), Analyzing Logan Gilbert's Continued Dominance And The Mariners' Improved Defense

[00:00:00] Welcome to episode number 127 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:04] We welcome on Mariners beat writer Ryan Divish for another fantastic conversation about this

[00:00:09] Mariners team, his Twitter strategy and the most important topic why he hates people so

[00:00:16] much.

[00:00:17] You're going to want to stick around for that one as the conversation goes along.

[00:00:21] We have our two Mariners storylines.

[00:00:22] Logan Gilbert continues to pitch to another level in this Mariners rotation.

[00:00:26] And is this defense actually improving?

[00:00:29] We'll try and see if we can figure out how the defense has done over the last few weeks.

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[00:01:09] And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast part of the just

[00:01:24] baseball podcast network recording post game on Monday, May 6th.

[00:01:31] And the performance tonight doesn't make it seem like the Mariners are coming off their

[00:01:35] six consecutive series win and a row.

[00:01:38] I guess that's what happens when you play the only team in baseball is actually hotter

[00:01:43] than you are.

[00:01:45] Isn't it funny how a baseball game can just ruin your whole day?

[00:01:49] It ruined my whole day today.

[00:01:51] You wait around, you build up to sit down and watch your favorite baseball team play

[00:01:56] and then your day gets ruined when they score one run, they strike out 14 times and the

[00:02:02] one run comes on a sack fly.

[00:02:05] What are you going to do on Thursday when they first pitch is at 10 and they let's say

[00:02:09] they have another performance like that at least games like this it's over at you

[00:02:13] know, seven 30 and the only thing you have left to do is talk to me.

[00:02:17] Right?

[00:02:18] That was always the and is always the problem with 10am Seahawks games too is if you

[00:02:22] play if they play early and they lose, rest of the day is ruined.

[00:02:26] It's kind of the same thing with day baseball.

[00:02:29] If they lose early in the day, rest of the day.

[00:02:31] Oh, it's going to be a bad day.

[00:02:34] It just it's so you say how funny it is how baseball works and we're sitting here

[00:02:38] watching the offense tonight and like completely uninspiring performance from the offense

[00:02:44] tonight.

[00:02:45] Funny enough I did tweet this stat out earlier in the day that it had the number

[00:02:50] which we had highlighted in the last podcast episode about the Mariners offense being a now

[00:02:55] top five unit since their series when streak started since April 15th, a top five unit

[00:03:02] in baseball and you sit sit down and you watch this performance against the twins.

[00:03:07] You're like top five.

[00:03:10] No, but I you take a look at the fact that it is just mind blowing if you want

[00:03:17] to put some the Mariners futility in context and updated number now since April 15th, 21 of 30 teams

[00:03:26] are below league average and offense.

[00:03:28] Now, in theory, right?

[00:03:29] Well, that should not work because below average means below the median, which is should be 15 teams.

[00:03:37] But instead there are 21 teams below average with offense, which means there are a few good

[00:03:43] offensive teams and a lot of really poor offensive teams in the Mariners shockingly enough are

[00:03:48] actually one of them.

[00:03:51] Must be nice to be the Dodgers in the Braves.

[00:03:52] I'll say that.

[00:03:53] Yeah, the Dodgers, I think are dragging up the bell curve so much on their own like

[00:04:00] they are they are heading shoulders.

[00:04:02] I think better than anyone else.

[00:04:03] It helps when you have the two best players in baseball.

[00:04:08] Right now they are.

[00:04:10] I mean, I don't think anybody's going to say Shohei Otani is not the best player in baseball.

[00:04:13] You'd say a year and a year out, but the way him and Mookie Betzer playing right now.

[00:04:17] Yeah, they're the two best players in baseball as we sit right now.

[00:04:20] You can make an argument anytime that those guys can be one and two, but definitively by

[00:04:23] the numbers it's those two right now.

[00:04:26] And yeah, by the rest of the league standards, the Mariners have been a good offense

[00:04:30] as a whole over the last few weeks.

[00:04:31] I think the reason people have trouble believing that is when you look at the

[00:04:35] individual performances up and down the lineup.

[00:04:38] There's so many of the supposed anchors of this team that aren't pulling their weight

[00:04:42] right now.

[00:04:43] That's why it doesn't feel like a complete offense yet.

[00:04:45] It doesn't mean they won't get there and truthfully again, compared to the rest of

[00:04:49] the league, they have been a good offense.

[00:04:51] But I think people sit here and say, well, what could they look like?

[00:04:55] Garver is playing like Garver.

[00:04:56] If Julio is playing like Julio, if Rayleigh hits like Rayleigh, et cetera.

[00:05:00] There's a lot of moving pieces to that where if that all happens, the offense

[00:05:05] looks a lot different right now.

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[00:06:17] Let's get to our Mariners storylines up first on our Mariners storylines.

[00:06:22] We've already talked about Logan Gilbert this season, Lyle,

[00:06:25] but that performance he had Saturday in Houston was another step.

[00:06:31] Eight shutout innings.

[00:06:32] The strikeouts weren't through the roof, but his repertoire and stuff

[00:06:38] continue to amaze me week after week after week.

[00:06:42] And this Saiyang picture, this Saiyang sort of reality, if Logan Gilbert keeps

[00:06:48] this up throughout the rest of the season, it is no longer just a

[00:06:51] dream for Logan Gilbert to compete for something like that because

[00:06:54] the way he's pitched, he's almost certainly in the conversation down

[00:06:58] the stretch run.

[00:07:00] If Logan Gilbert's on a stairway to heaven right now, he keeps passing

[00:07:04] thresholds to get to the top of the mountain and the top of the staircase.

[00:07:08] Eight shutout against the Astros is another one of those steps.

[00:07:12] You go into Houston, into that ballpark, bambox of a stadium,

[00:07:16] loud crowd, and he just silences them.

[00:07:20] Mixed up his pitches incredibly well through strikes, had hitters off balance.

[00:07:25] It just builds up on everything he's already done.

[00:07:28] His ERA now sits just below one seven and seven starts.

[00:07:31] He's got it just below a one seven ERA.

[00:07:34] And his K per nine is close to the highest of his career right now.

[00:07:39] He has taken, I mean, I don't know how many different times we can say it.

[00:07:42] He has taken monumental steps here in 2024 so far.

[00:07:46] So just updating on Logan Gilbert stats, quality starts.

[00:07:49] He's tied for first innings.

[00:07:51] He is as of Saturday night.

[00:07:54] He was first ERA, his fifth in the league in ERA.

[00:07:58] His whip is also fifth.

[00:08:00] His OPS is fifth in the league and his strikeouts is tied for fourth.

[00:08:05] Limiting on base, limiting damage, striking guys out.

[00:08:09] And more importantly, shouldering an inning load.

[00:08:12] We haven't seen Mariners pitchers throw this many innings as Logan Gilbert

[00:08:16] has thrown in this first month of the season.

[00:08:20] Did you want when you thought about how Logan Gilbert has pitched

[00:08:23] this month and he didn't win pitcher of the month for Rios

[00:08:25] won pitcher of the month instead for the Blue Jays?

[00:08:27] He had a really good month though.

[00:08:28] I think he's due to regress anyways, that's besides the point.

[00:08:33] I was thinking back to when Logan Gilbert won the American League

[00:08:36] pitcher of the month of in April of 2022.

[00:08:40] How stark of a difference those two months were?

[00:08:44] Do you realize he only threw 22 innings in that month of April and 22?

[00:08:52] That's it.

[00:08:54] He was on Mormon innings limit back then.

[00:08:56] He hadn't thrown a full season in 2021.

[00:08:59] They were still working them in in 2022, but now it's all systems go.

[00:09:03] And now he's pitching deep in the games, very deep in the game.

[00:09:06] Also by by OPS, you throw out that stat.

[00:09:09] You mean OPS against right?

[00:09:11] OPS against yeah, well, he's not.

[00:09:12] Yeah, he's not swinging.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:15] I don't think Logan Gilbert could swing much of a bat.

[00:09:17] No offense, Logan.

[00:09:18] I think I think he's best suited to be on the mound.

[00:09:20] No, I don't think so either, but it's remarkable because the

[00:09:23] difference between him then and him now is he has the tools to go deeper into games.

[00:09:29] Here's a bonker stat for you.

[00:09:30] If you're curious, like you sit there and you watch Logan Gilbert pitching,

[00:09:33] you're like, man, he's nasty.

[00:09:35] He's got five pitches dialed at all times that he can pull up whenever he wants.

[00:09:42] This is not even including his fastball, which gets up to 99 miles an hour.

[00:09:46] I went and I was poking around stuff.

[00:09:48] Plus all four of his secondary pitches, splitter, cutter, slider

[00:09:53] and curveball are top 10 in baseball.

[00:09:56] The long qualified pitchers, top 10 of four different pitches.

[00:10:01] I didn't even bother checking this because I know he is the only one

[00:10:04] in the top 10 of all four.

[00:10:06] There is no pitcher who's got the stuff like that.

[00:10:09] Four different secondary pitches that are all top 10 stuff pitches

[00:10:15] in baseball, and it was almost top five across the board.

[00:10:18] One was seven, one was eight, but the other two were top five.

[00:10:21] How remarkable is that?

[00:10:25] Dude's a different breed.

[00:10:27] And it's amazing because he mixes everything in so well too.

[00:10:30] This year, what you're seeing is all five of Logan Gilbert's primary pitches,

[00:10:34] those four secondaries you just named and his foreseamer.

[00:10:36] He throws all of them 10% of the time or more.

[00:10:39] That wasn't always the case.

[00:10:40] There were some variants in the pitch percentages and how often he was

[00:10:44] throwing certain offerings in years past.

[00:10:46] He's got a good, healthy balance to all those pitches right now.

[00:10:50] And, and you know how hard it is if you're a hitter and you have to try and

[00:10:53] gear up for five different pitches that are all basically deadly.

[00:10:59] No wonder nobody's hitting Logan Gilbert this year.

[00:11:01] It's one thing to have the stuff on him, but it's another thing when

[00:11:04] you're throwing it with confidence and conviction and command like he is right

[00:11:09] now and he's, and he's mixing it all up.

[00:11:11] So that all combined and the, and the combination of all of that.

[00:11:17] Look at what he's doing.

[00:11:18] He's trending his way to the all star game right now.

[00:11:21] What do you, let's look past the all star game.

[00:11:23] What do you think, what are your ingredients for Logan to go for that

[00:11:28] Cy Young?

[00:11:28] I think war is a big one.

[00:11:30] Fan graphs war for us is number one.

[00:11:33] But if we're just going to look at more traditional stats, he right

[00:11:37] now is on pace to blow past both 200 innings and 200 strikeouts.

[00:11:41] Neither of those are given nowadays with how much less pictures or how

[00:11:47] many less innings pictures are throwing.

[00:11:49] And if he's one of four guys who crosses the 200 innings mark, that's not insignificant.

[00:11:55] He's on pace to go past the 200 innings mark right now.

[00:11:58] And it's also going to help if the Mariners stay in first place.

[00:12:02] If he's winning, he's pitching meaningful ballgames against good baseball teams

[00:12:06] and games that matter.

[00:12:08] We've seen what's happened with Felix in 2014 when he goes out there

[00:12:13] in a big game and get shelled down the stretch.

[00:12:17] And when the Mariners needed him the most, and it seems like at this point, Logan

[00:12:20] Gilbert, based on how the Mariners are playing, are going to have or

[00:12:23] going to give him opportunities to make statement games, statement games move

[00:12:28] the needle with voters who won't stay up and watch your games.

[00:12:32] If if an East Coast riders checking a box score at the end of the night

[00:12:35] and sees that Logan Gilbert through seven innings of one run ball

[00:12:39] in a crucial game against the Texas Rangers in September, he's going

[00:12:42] to be like, yeah, without even needing to watch it.

[00:12:44] Even if Logan Gilbert walked four batters like he has in two of his last three starts,

[00:12:48] it won't matter because he's gotten the job done and you can leave the nitpicking

[00:12:52] for the podcasters, I guess.

[00:12:56] Right.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:57] What's it going to take for him to get all those East Coast votes for actual

[00:13:01] East Coast riders to stay up and watch these starts and say, oh, this guy

[00:13:05] out in the Pacific Northwest, he deserves it this year.

[00:13:08] Not the guy in pinstripes who I sit and watch every single day.

[00:13:11] Will people actually give him the recognition?

[00:13:14] Now, I don't think they'll actually stay up and watch, but you know,

[00:13:17] what's going to help Logan Gilbert's case.

[00:13:20] Let me rattle off some names who are the top 10 in the era in the American League

[00:13:24] right now.

[00:13:26] Jose Barios, who again, I think is going to regress,

[00:13:29] Cutter Crawford, Seth Lugo, Tariq Scoobl, Bryce Miller,

[00:13:34] Ronell Blanco, Tanner Halk, Tyler Anderson and Brady Singer.

[00:13:38] Logan is in that group, but that's a given.

[00:13:41] Well, so who?

[00:13:44] Barios and Crawford are both East Coast guys and I think they're one

[00:13:48] and two right now.

[00:13:50] They are one and two right now, but are any of those name brands?

[00:13:55] No, but those two are East Coasters.

[00:13:57] Barios is the name.

[00:13:59] Kind of.

[00:14:00] But I would be shocked if Jose Barios is on this top 10 list at

[00:14:04] the end of the year.

[00:14:06] Yeah, he's due for some regression.

[00:14:07] You're right.

[00:14:08] So great.

[00:14:09] Like there are a couple of things Logan Gilbert can still fine tune a little

[00:14:12] bit.

[00:14:12] He was walking less guys last year.

[00:14:14] Last year that can still come down a little bit, but the strikeouts,

[00:14:18] the innings, the duration of games he's pitching, the pitch mixes he has.

[00:14:23] Can we talk about his fastball too?

[00:14:26] Well, you just talked about his secondary pitches, but the dude's

[00:14:29] fastball last year, it didn't have the effect that it's had in years past.

[00:14:33] We know he throws it hard.

[00:14:34] We know it's, you know, it's got some life.

[00:14:37] Last year was getting hit around a lot.

[00:14:39] Like if, and if you want the exact numbers on it, guys slugged almost

[00:14:42] 500 against his fastball last year.

[00:14:44] It was getting hit hard.

[00:14:46] That's not happening this year.

[00:14:47] Now it's back to the fastball that we all raved about in his rookie

[00:14:50] year and part of his second year too.

[00:14:52] Now it now it's got guys totally off balance.

[00:14:55] Guys are hitting 167 right now against Logan Gilbert's fastball.

[00:14:59] So you've got four secondary pitches that are in the top 10 in terms

[00:15:03] of stuff in the whole league.

[00:15:05] And you've got a forcing fastball that's dirty.

[00:15:07] Five pitch mix that is all lethal.

[00:15:11] There's not a lot of pitchers in baseball doing that.

[00:15:13] One that does happens to be in his own rotation and George Kirby, but

[00:15:17] there are not a lot of guys with five pitches like that.

[00:15:20] Not at all.

[00:15:21] And it's funny, like it's funny that Kirby comes up because Kirby's the one

[00:15:26] in the off season.

[00:15:27] We made a very, one of our more popular Instagram videos where we're

[00:15:31] hiding like George Kirby has seven pitches with that knuckleball.

[00:15:34] It's insane.

[00:15:35] Who else does this?

[00:15:36] And then here's Logan Gilbert with mastery of five ultimate mastery of

[00:15:40] five and it's just as effective, even if seven, five.

[00:15:43] I'm trying to think who else in baseball has four plus secondary pitches?

[00:15:48] Kirby doesn't plus pitches.

[00:15:52] Let's see.

[00:15:53] It's Shohei right?

[00:15:54] And that like who else?

[00:15:56] That's what I was going to say.

[00:15:57] Well, Shohei, I don't think Scherzer and DeGrom have four secondaries

[00:16:02] like that or plus secondaries.

[00:16:04] That's the key.

[00:16:05] That's a key term there.

[00:16:07] Right, right.

[00:16:07] And that's what I mean by four secondary is like that for yes, four

[00:16:10] plus secondaries, four lethal secondaries.

[00:16:14] It's not many.

[00:16:16] How many pitches?

[00:16:16] Darvish maybe in his past.

[00:16:18] How many pitches does Zach Wheeler throw?

[00:16:21] Let's see.

[00:16:22] It's a good question.

[00:16:24] I'm going to look it up while we talk here, but the answer is very few.

[00:16:29] There are not many that are doing what Logan Gilbert's doing.

[00:16:31] Zach Wheeler throws how many different pitches he throws in total six.

[00:16:37] But yeah, like the value on these pitches, it's it's not what Logan Gilbert's doing.

[00:16:43] It's not.

[00:16:45] So like he, he it's you could you could say it's him and Ohtani then that

[00:16:50] and only one of them's pitching this year.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:54] So it's got a chance at the same.

[00:16:56] Like don't take what Logan's doing for granted with the stuff.

[00:16:59] Like this is as best case scenario outside of him being a Hall of Famer as you

[00:17:05] can get with the first round pick.

[00:17:07] Like think like all the work he has had to do from the point he was drafted

[00:17:11] where he was a fastball curveball guy at Stetson to get where he is now.

[00:17:16] And the fastball is a technical secondary pitch of his, even though that

[00:17:20] was not in the thing I just framed a four plus secondaries.

[00:17:24] Like he is every single one of those pitches he added weren't really

[00:17:29] or at least not the current version of it was not part of his repertoire.

[00:17:32] And he's drafted this has been on Logan Gilbert's to tinker and develop

[00:17:36] while he's been a mariner.

[00:17:37] And it's it's been truly remarkable.

[00:17:39] And it truly ends up that this is a bet when you draft a picture in the

[00:17:43] first round, this is the best case scenario you can have.

[00:17:46] The Mariners have two examples of that in the rotation right now in Kirby

[00:17:50] and Gilbert first round pick.

[00:17:52] You want a bona fide stud with a deep arsenal and the Mariners have

[00:17:55] not one, but two of them and they drafted them in consecutive seasons.

[00:18:01] You know, lefties are OPSing under 500 against Logan Gilbert right now.

[00:18:06] Well, if I left, if I hit left handed, I'd also struggle against Logan Gilbert.

[00:18:13] He nobody hits him period right now, but lefties hitting under 500

[00:18:17] or OPSing under 500 is crazy.

[00:18:20] And to your point about the pitch mix, he didn't throw the cutter till this year.

[00:18:23] That cutters awesome.

[00:18:25] Took him one off season to master that thing.

[00:18:28] There's not a lot of pitchers out there that can just do that.

[00:18:31] He's got one more stat working on his side when it comes to Cy Young's.

[00:18:36] So that you're familiar with strand rate, stranding base runners on base.

[00:18:41] The top two in the league last year in all of baseball last year

[00:18:45] in terms of strand rate, a little bit over 80 percent were the two

[00:18:49] Cy Young winners, which is Gary Cole and Blake Snow.

[00:18:53] They both they eat that they were the top two in baseball

[00:18:56] in terms of stranding runners they allowed.

[00:18:59] Logan Gilbert right now is second in the American League in strand rate

[00:19:03] behind Jose Barrios, which if you strain a lot of runners, it's going to be

[00:19:07] really hard for you to give up runs.

[00:19:08] And that's why the two of them have extremely low ERAs.

[00:19:10] Logan Gilbert's not going to strain 93 and a half percent of the

[00:19:13] runners he allows all season long.

[00:19:15] That is almost impossible.

[00:19:17] But if he can somehow stay above 80, then he's in Cy Young

[00:19:22] contention at the end of the season because then is the ERAs going to be

[00:19:25] like two, three at that point?

[00:19:27] Because he's just frankly not going to allow a whole lot of guys to score.

[00:19:30] And if you have an area of two, three and you're doing what Logan

[00:19:32] Gilbert's doing and pitching as deep into games, that's that's a Cy

[00:19:37] Young recipe right there.

[00:19:39] So that's a that's a number to keep a lookout when Logan Gilbert

[00:19:42] is marching down the stretch of the season.

[00:19:44] Is he keeping runners away from home play home play?

[00:19:48] It'd be like not allowing runs runs or bad.

[00:19:52] There was a lot of people on this Logan Gilbert hype train preseason saying

[00:19:55] this is the year he takes the big step and everybody so far seems to be

[00:19:58] absolutely right.

[00:19:59] I hope it keeps rolling.

[00:20:00] I think it's going to.

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[00:20:22] And if you want to go during happy hour, you're not going to find many

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[00:20:29] Pagotcha's pub 85.

[00:20:31] They have happy hour from Monday through Friday.

[00:20:32] It's from 2 to 6 p.m.

[00:20:34] You can get $3 domestic beers.

[00:20:35] You can get $4 manis and blue moons.

[00:20:37] You can get $4 mac and Jack's $4 wells and $4 househouse wines.

[00:20:42] All of that is at Pagotcha's pub 85 over in Kirkland.

[00:20:46] Let's talk a little bit about the Mariners defense as we

[00:20:48] transition to our second storyline.

[00:20:51] We talked in the first week of the season talking about offense will

[00:20:55] stabilize, pitching will stabilize defense.

[00:20:58] I think our words were this may be just what you get.

[00:21:02] Defense doesn't often stabilize when you see a defensive product on

[00:21:06] the field.

[00:21:07] This is basically what it is.

[00:21:09] And the Mariners defense through the first week was horrific.

[00:21:13] It's cleaned up a lot since then.

[00:21:15] It's cleaned up a good amount since then.

[00:21:17] I'm not going to sit here and tell you they're the best defense in

[00:21:19] baseball, but they are certainly far from the worst defense in baseball.

[00:21:22] That's for sure.

[00:21:24] I don't know if we're to the point of freezing cold take,

[00:21:27] takesing.

[00:21:28] Is that a term freezing cold takesing ourselves in turn when it

[00:21:31] comes to defense?

[00:21:33] But they've essentially just traded water since the opening week.

[00:21:38] I think we checked in in the opening week.

[00:21:40] They were negative two as a team in outs above average.

[00:21:43] I believe the number was right now they're negative two.

[00:21:46] A month later.

[00:21:48] So it's remarkable they've managed to be essentially an average

[00:21:54] defense since then, which is real.

[00:21:56] I think when we sit in there, it's all they need to be just be average.

[00:21:59] Just be average, average defensive teams can make the playoffs.

[00:22:02] No problem.

[00:22:03] It's not going to hinder you.

[00:22:04] It's you'll do enough defensively to make the playoffs.

[00:22:08] And if we think we break this down on an individual level, the

[00:22:12] most important positions the Mariners are doing just fine at.

[00:22:17] Catcher, one of the best defense defensive catchers in the league.

[00:22:21] Cal Raleigh, seven defensive runs saved so far this season.

[00:22:24] He's part of the reason the Mariners in terms of defense were

[00:22:27] unsaved or actually top five in baseball.

[00:22:29] Cal has a lot of heavy lifting to do it in that department.

[00:22:33] But also you look up the middle and Julio has been excellent

[00:22:35] in center field defensively.

[00:22:37] You can say what you want about his offense.

[00:22:38] His defense has been amazing, both outs above average and

[00:22:41] defensive run saved.

[00:22:42] And then up the middle at shortstop, they've been about average

[00:22:46] and you can handle that.

[00:22:48] We can handle that.

[00:22:50] Demo is I think negative one DRS and then JP zero at zero right now.

[00:22:56] And you can handle that because overall up the middle, then your plus.

[00:23:02] Demos total DRS is three when you combine all the different positions

[00:23:06] for the year.

[00:23:06] He's at three defensive runs save.

[00:23:08] So he's three comfort.

[00:23:09] Was it the outfield?

[00:23:11] I guess so.

[00:23:12] But when you just look at his total defensive run saved, it says,

[00:23:16] it says Dylan Moore, three DRS.

[00:23:18] So that's what I was going to ask you.

[00:23:19] You're talking about OAA and where they rank.

[00:23:21] Are we sure they're an average defense?

[00:23:23] It depends on what defensive metric you value more.

[00:23:25] But DRS says they're actually one of the better defensive teams in baseball.

[00:23:30] So the eye does the eye test tell you there are top five

[00:23:33] defense personally throw the numbers out.

[00:23:36] Do you think they're top five defense just watching them?

[00:23:38] Cause I personally don't think so.

[00:23:40] No, no, but I will say the only guy out there right now and the numbers

[00:23:46] back this up that really feels like it's been a bit of a liability on

[00:23:51] defense is Mitch Hannagher and his defensive metrics back that up.

[00:23:54] He's at negative five defensive run save.

[00:23:57] Other than that with all the defensive concerns about this team

[00:24:01] moving into the season, they've been quieted.

[00:24:04] Let's let's hype up this third base platoon yet again.

[00:24:08] Luis Urias is at three defensive run save.

[00:24:11] Remember how everybody saw him throwing and spring training between

[00:24:15] having the shoulder injury and the short arming and clearly he was

[00:24:18] trying to work back from some things and people were beyond nervous.

[00:24:23] Luis Urias has been good over there legitimately good.

[00:24:29] I'm not going to say he was as good defense.

[00:24:31] He's as good defensively as Gina was last year.

[00:24:33] That's not fair, but he has been very much above average over

[00:24:37] at third base defensively this year and he's hitting lefties.

[00:24:40] That guy has been nothing but a success through the first six weeks of

[00:24:44] the season, both on offense and on defense.

[00:24:47] So huge credit to those guys again.

[00:24:50] Rojas has been right at average, which is right.

[00:24:52] What you need them to be that like that's such a big deal.

[00:24:56] We talked about, is this third base platoon going to combine

[00:25:00] to lose this team a bunch of runs?

[00:25:02] Absolutely not.

[00:25:03] They're not doing that right now.

[00:25:06] It's great.

[00:25:08] Yeah.

[00:25:08] So it outside of Mitch, I do agree on the Mitch take Rayleigh has been

[00:25:14] he's been fine like nothing.

[00:25:16] I would say nothing noticeable.

[00:25:18] But but that's the whole key right is outside of Hanneger.

[00:25:21] Everybody has either been above average or they've been fine.

[00:25:25] Rayleigh has been fine.

[00:25:26] Right?

[00:25:27] Like I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's been great.

[00:25:30] Ty France, we can talk about that one.

[00:25:32] Now what we can say to him DRS says he's been fine.

[00:25:36] OAA says something a little bit different, but yeah, third base fine.

[00:25:40] Demos been good.

[00:25:43] Polanco again, it depends on what metric you prefer.

[00:25:45] DRS says he's been a little bit better than OAA does.

[00:25:48] Cal's been good.

[00:25:49] Julio, we know has been good.

[00:25:51] Rayleigh's been fine.

[00:25:52] Canzone out there was fine.

[00:25:55] Like fine is all this team has to be.

[00:25:58] They don't have to be the best defensive team in the league, but I think

[00:26:02] they're playing a lot better than most people thought they were going

[00:26:04] to play defensively at the start of the year.

[00:26:06] If you break it down by area of the field, like center's been great.

[00:26:10] Corner outfields, humidively have been a little bit below average.

[00:26:14] Mitch Hanegger dragging that down a little bit because he just really

[00:26:17] hasn't been that good out there.

[00:26:19] Left side of the infield has been well above average.

[00:26:21] Right side of the infield has been negative with Polanco and Ty France.

[00:26:26] I was kind of shocked at those Ty France numbers.

[00:26:28] He had a bad error today, but I didn't think overall he had

[00:26:31] been atrocious defensively, but the numbers say something different than that.

[00:26:36] And then catching of course has been superb.

[00:26:38] And if you want them to make an argument that, hey, Cal Raleigh being great

[00:26:42] should make this defense a top five defensive.

[00:26:46] You know, I can, you can pitch me that argument because not everyone

[00:26:48] has a catcher that good behind the plate.

[00:26:51] Catchers are really important defensively.

[00:26:53] They're one of two positions that touches the ball every single pitch.

[00:26:57] So yeah, that's important.

[00:26:59] Mm hmm.

[00:27:00] I think this defense is going to be perfectly fine.

[00:27:02] That's what I have to say.

[00:27:03] They're not going to have a bunch of gold glovers.

[00:27:06] I don't think they're going to lose you games either.

[00:27:08] That's the key.

[00:27:09] There were people worried that this defense was going to lose them games.

[00:27:12] Right now, they're not doing that.

[00:27:14] And if you want some more context about how far away the Mariners are,

[00:27:18] you hear negative two OAA.

[00:27:20] Okay.

[00:27:20] What if the last place team is negative eight OAA?

[00:27:22] That's really not that far away.

[00:27:24] The worst team is that negative 21.

[00:27:26] Shocker, the Marlins, the team that has said

[00:27:28] they're not, they're not making the playoffs this year where

[00:27:30] they're not going to compete, but their defense tells that story.

[00:27:33] And then the best team is plus 14.

[00:27:34] The Mariners are closer to the best team than the worst team.

[00:27:38] That makes you guys feel better.

[00:27:41] There you go.

[00:27:42] So Ty France, Mitch Hannigar, if you want to outline areas where

[00:27:47] there could be a little bit of improvement in terms of guys,

[00:27:50] defensive games, those are two, but collectively as a unit,

[00:27:55] it's been perfectly fine.

[00:27:56] No.

[00:27:57] And that's again, as we say it all we can ask for if you pair a fine

[00:28:01] defense with an above average offense and this pitching staff,

[00:28:04] the Mariners will be in the playoffs at the end of the season.

[00:28:07] Also, you talked about a good Julio spin.

[00:28:09] He just by the numbers, he leads centerfielders and now it's above

[00:28:12] average.

[00:28:13] Yeah, pretty good.

[00:28:14] When the ITS backs it up.

[00:28:15] When you're, when you're up the middle defenders are playing like that,

[00:28:20] it's going to do you a lot of good.

[00:28:21] When you have Cal playing the way he plays, when you have Julio

[00:28:23] playing the way he plays, that does a lot.

[00:28:25] Yeah, it does do a lot.

[00:28:26] And it covers up a lot of covers up a lot of the other areas that

[00:28:31] like Mitch Hannigar's defense is better because Julio's in centerfield

[00:28:34] even though his defense has not been good this year.

[00:28:37] It could be worse and so could Rayleigh's and so could Dom Kanzone

[00:28:40] because Julio's out there covering the most ground that anyone could

[00:28:43] cover out there in centerfield.

[00:28:46] We have a fun conversation with Ryan Davis.

[00:28:48] Rex is supposed to talk to him tomorrow morning.

[00:28:50] It's but here's the thing about Ryan.

[00:28:54] Like he, he does.

[00:28:57] First of all, does an awesome job covering the Mariners.

[00:29:00] We love him.

[00:29:01] Love interacting with him at the ballpark.

[00:29:03] And you know, I want to give like some credit to him and a lot of

[00:29:06] other the, the legacy media members who have been covering the Mariners

[00:29:11] for so long that, you know, when Lawni show up at the ballpark

[00:29:15] starting last year and like it could be easy to be like, who are those

[00:29:21] guys?

[00:29:22] Like, like I don't know off the top of my head how old Ryan is, but

[00:29:26] we're significantly younger than he is.

[00:29:27] And it could be, it could be as easy as just like sort of just, you know,

[00:29:30] brush off.

[00:29:31] It's like whatever these kids are going to do whatever they want.

[00:29:33] But Ryan's been amazing to us.

[00:29:36] And I just want to say it like really appreciate and it shows like

[00:29:40] as curmudgeony as he can be online and then the persona he gives off.

[00:29:45] He's really awesome and he's been really awesome to us.

[00:29:47] He knows a ton about baseball and his personality shines when we need it the most.

[00:29:54] So appreciate Ryan Divish taking some time to come on with us.

[00:29:58] We can't wait.

[00:29:59] We've known him for like longer since we've been doing the podcast.

[00:30:03] Like the two of us had met him a few times over the years before we

[00:30:06] started this podcast, we've certainly gotten him gotten to know him

[00:30:09] and be around him much more since the launch of this pod.

[00:30:13] And one of many reasons I'm glad we did because we get to spend more time

[00:30:17] with Ryan Divish who again may seem a certain way on Twitter, but man,

[00:30:21] is he is he hilarious to be around in person.

[00:30:25] And not just in terms of the stories he'll tell and the jokes he'll rip off,

[00:30:29] which are always great, but he's so knowledgeable about the game.

[00:30:32] Obviously he puts a ton of effort into his job.

[00:30:35] I don't think there's many beat reporters out there period that do a

[00:30:38] better job covering a team and giving fans a pulse of what it feels

[00:30:43] like to be around the club each day than what Divish does.

[00:30:46] So always appreciate all the work he does and appreciate that he's,

[00:30:52] that he's got a personality too.

[00:30:53] And as always, we're looking forward to talking to him.

[00:30:56] We won't keep you guys any longer.

[00:30:57] Let's get to that conversation with Ryan Divish.

[00:31:03] All right, we welcome on Mariners beat writer Ryan Divish.

[00:31:06] He's the best.

[00:31:07] Appreciate you joining us today.

[00:31:09] It is a little early in the morning here when we're recording.

[00:31:11] I'm kind of surprised you made it up for us because you're

[00:31:14] up late arguing last night.

[00:31:16] We did want to ask you a little bit about your Twitter game recently.

[00:31:19] I feel like eventually it's got to get to the point where you're

[00:31:22] just going to tweet less and less and less.

[00:31:25] But I mean, you're in your prime right right now.

[00:31:29] Yeah, well, it's early, but I don't, I mean, I don't sleep a lot.

[00:31:33] I would maybe only sleep five hours a night, five or six hours a night.

[00:31:36] I'm one of those people that doesn't need a lot of sleep.

[00:31:39] My mom is the same way.

[00:31:40] So and I like, I hate kind of wasting days away.

[00:31:45] So I usually try and get up by eight 30 every day on the road, no matter what.

[00:31:50] And try to stay on.

[00:31:51] I can't stay on obviously on Seattle time when you're in the central eastern times.

[00:31:56] But I try to be up by eight 30 every day, no matter where I'm at.

[00:31:59] Some days it happens.

[00:32:00] Sometimes it doesn't.

[00:32:01] Yeah, I played last night.

[00:32:03] I wasn't really so it's funny.

[00:32:05] I if you look, I've actually dialed back how much I tweet quite a bit

[00:32:09] over the last year or so.

[00:32:11] There are days there are stretches like last night.

[00:32:13] I went out with my buddy Dan Hayes, who covers the twins for the athletic.

[00:32:17] And we went to this sports bar because the end of the Timberwolves game was still on.

[00:32:22] And so, I mean, the game was boring.

[00:32:25] How to drink or two.

[00:32:26] And I was kind of checking Twitter and saw kind of some of the insanity

[00:32:30] that was going on there.

[00:32:31] So I responded and then, you know, it's

[00:32:35] once you open that Pandora's box, then it just invites everyone in.

[00:32:40] And I think that's like my weirdest thing about Twitter.

[00:32:43] And if you notice, like last year, remember, I just decided one day,

[00:32:46] I think I tweeted this.

[00:32:47] I think this is the last day I'm going to tweet out the line up or even retweet it

[00:32:51] because I just got tired of the arguments between fans about lineup

[00:32:55] construction and, you know, ask like who should bat wear and everything else.

[00:33:01] So I just stopped doing it.

[00:33:02] So I mean, like there'll probably come a point where I just do that.

[00:33:05] I mean, like he said, I've been doing this a long time.

[00:33:08] 2006 was the first year I started covering the Mariners.

[00:33:12] And, you know, who knows?

[00:33:13] Maybe this might be my last.

[00:33:15] We don't know it could be.

[00:33:16] It's I'm like a day to day status.

[00:33:18] Now I'm year to year.

[00:33:20] I kind of told my bosses that it's year to year anymore,

[00:33:22] whether I come back or not and do it just because it's, you know,

[00:33:26] done a long time and there might be something new out there.

[00:33:29] Or maybe I just moved to a cabin in the woods in Montana

[00:33:32] and never be heard from again.

[00:33:34] I'm always thinking though, like we were talking about like,

[00:33:36] what would you do?

[00:33:38] Like when you, when I say I'm done with like covering the Mariners,

[00:33:41] you know how Marshawn put his shoes on the

[00:33:45] on the picture of the tennis shoes on the on the power line.

[00:33:49] I'm trying to think what I would do.

[00:33:51] And maybe do I put like a nuclear bomb hitting a bridge

[00:33:54] because I'm going to burn all the bridges on my way out or I don't know.

[00:33:57] We'll see.

[00:33:58] Well, when it gets to that point, like, honestly,

[00:34:01] the day I walk away, though, like it won't be a big deal.

[00:34:04] Just feel like, you know, just I'll just won't be there.

[00:34:07] You know, I don't know.

[00:34:08] We were like, I couldn't do the Larry farewell tour

[00:34:11] because then I'd have to be nice to people and act like I like people.

[00:34:14] And I don't think I could be.

[00:34:16] Would it be empty bottles of crown in your

[00:34:19] seat in the press box?

[00:34:20] That would be a start.

[00:34:21] Yeah. I mean, something like that, you know, I mean, I don't know.

[00:34:24] It just would be.

[00:34:27] Who knows? It's just like I've thought about it more and more.

[00:34:30] You know, usually you think in this business and you guys, you know,

[00:34:33] I know you have friends that work in the media fields, you know,

[00:34:36] and more traditional media outlets or whatever.

[00:34:39] You usually expect it to quit on you before you quit on it.

[00:34:42] And so I've always figured like, you know, with the way

[00:34:45] newspapers are trending that someday I would be done because they told me I was done.

[00:34:48] But, you know, the Times has been really good.

[00:34:51] It's it's family owned and we're able to to kind of cover the team the way I want.

[00:34:55] And this year really, you know, the addition of Adam,

[00:34:58] Jude do our coverage.

[00:34:59] I know he's been on your guys show.

[00:35:01] That's, you know, he's a friend of mine.

[00:35:02] It makes a huge difference because he's happy and he's a family dude

[00:35:08] and he's a nice guy and he brings good energy and he's helped kind of alleviate

[00:35:12] some of the stress levels I've had.

[00:35:13] So I really like having him around.

[00:35:14] And then this year, too, like, you know, we the guy I'm working with now

[00:35:21] our assistant sports editor, Sean Quinton is a really good dude.

[00:35:24] We, you know, I've known him since he was just a kid starting off

[00:35:27] in a producing role at the at the Times.

[00:35:29] And, you know, we're kind of, we have similar ways we think about stuff.

[00:35:34] And so that makes my life a lot easier as well.

[00:35:38] See, you say you're just going to walk away one day, but here's my, you can call it.

[00:35:42] You here's my lukewarm take for the day you're done rather than

[00:35:46] you just kind of hanging it up.

[00:35:47] They're going to try to get you to throw out the first pitch

[00:35:49] the way that Larry did for a little farewell tour, except the Mariners

[00:35:53] are going to pull some strings and they're going to get pit bull in

[00:35:55] to catch the first pitch.

[00:35:57] They would do something like that's why I would never do it.

[00:36:01] Because like, I've taken so many shots at the Mariners like media related

[00:36:05] not like they're PR or the media relations for baseball, but like

[00:36:09] at their marketing staff and the social team, you know, I've had a few

[00:36:13] kind of mocking tweets and stuff like that to the point where I'm like,

[00:36:16] yeah, I don't think they would they would find a way to mock me a little

[00:36:19] bit and I deserve it because, you know, I'm so like it's so funny

[00:36:24] like people think I'm like angry on Twitter and you don't have a font.

[00:36:28] You don't have a tone.

[00:36:29] Some of it's just like blatant sarcasm, you know, but then like

[00:36:33] and like people are sitting there saying, oh, you know, you're mean.

[00:36:35] Like if I really wanted to be mean to you or if I wanted to be a dick on

[00:36:39] Twitter, I would not leave a doubt because I'm really good at being that way.

[00:36:44] Like people don't realize how much I dial it back, you know,

[00:36:47] I'm not like saying I'm like Jamal Adams, you go low, I go lower.

[00:36:50] But I mean, like if you wanted to set if you wanted to go in that route,

[00:36:54] I mean, I'm pretty good at that.

[00:36:57] So I, you know, because like, you know, when you're me, you grew up in Montana,

[00:37:00] you're kind of like where I'm from, you know, you made fun of a lot.

[00:37:04] And, you know, I learned to dish it out, take it, you know, whatever.

[00:37:08] It's different. But like, yeah, I don't know.

[00:37:10] It would be funny.

[00:37:11] It's funny what you think about, you know, you guys are just kids.

[00:37:15] I remember being like where you're at.

[00:37:16] Oh, I'm going to do this.

[00:37:17] I'm going to do that.

[00:37:18] And then it's like, when I was coming out of college,

[00:37:20] I thought like covering the Red Sox was going to be, you know,

[00:37:24] one of my dream jobs.

[00:37:26] And then I get to Boston, I see kind of how it is, you know, Fenway.

[00:37:29] And I was like, I don't want to do that, you know?

[00:37:31] And I used to think like, oh, you know, I'd love covering the Dodgers.

[00:37:34] Then you go and kind of see how it works.

[00:37:36] Like I don't, you know, a few years ago,

[00:37:39] I applied for a job covering the Nats

[00:37:43] when James Wagner left the paper.

[00:37:44] And it was actually that year they won the World Series.

[00:37:48] And so, but other than that, like I've never really thought about covering another team.

[00:37:52] I like covering the Mariners.

[00:37:53] I have a lot of friends that work in the organization.

[00:37:55] And it's why like I tell people all the time,

[00:37:57] it doesn't matter to me if they win or lose, you know, like or they have success.

[00:38:01] But like when they made the postseason

[00:38:03] and seeing like a lot of my friends that work in that organization

[00:38:07] and not even on the baseball side seeing how happy they were.

[00:38:10] Yeah, because they like people live, you know, you can say what you want

[00:38:12] about like John Stanton or the ownership's goals.

[00:38:16] But like the people that work inside the organization,

[00:38:19] they like live and die with a team success.

[00:38:21] You know, it hurts them when the teams bad and people are taking shots at the Mariners.

[00:38:24] So I was totally happy when they won for the for my friends.

[00:38:28] And then I have a lot of friends that are Mariners fans, you know,

[00:38:30] not my friends on Twitter, but like I have a lot of friends that,

[00:38:33] you know, I've met out here throughout the years

[00:38:35] that are diehard Mariners fans that live and die with this stuff.

[00:38:38] And to see them happy and to see them excited was pretty cool.

[00:38:43] Now, I do have an idea for you when you eventually step away from this business

[00:38:48] because I don't want to stop hearing hitting coach for the Mariners.

[00:38:51] You should start your own podcast.

[00:38:53] Oh, I don't know.

[00:38:53] I don't know what you're going to talk about, but you have to join the trend.

[00:38:57] I think you have to do it

[00:38:58] because I think people care about what you have to say.

[00:39:01] Technically, I have my own podcast.

[00:39:03] You have the extra innings podcast and we've been very lax because like

[00:39:06] trying to schedule now with with Adam,

[00:39:10] you know, Larry was a little easier because he was a columnist.

[00:39:13] His kids are out of the house and he kind of kind of did whatever with Adam.

[00:39:15] He's got three kids, two dogs.

[00:39:18] You know, he coaches baseball.

[00:39:20] He coaches basketball.

[00:39:21] He's helping out all this time.

[00:39:23] So we've been very lax in our extra innings podcast.

[00:39:26] So we probably should do that at some point.

[00:39:28] But I don't know.

[00:39:29] Yeah, I could talk about it.

[00:39:30] It'd be like thoughts from a cabin in the woods.

[00:39:32] That's what my podcast would be.

[00:39:34] Doesn't even have to be Mariners specific.

[00:39:36] I mean, I hear you're you're doing some private

[00:39:39] baseball instruction now, too.

[00:39:40] You can talk about how much you, you know, you love getting back and teaching.

[00:39:44] So I know that's a big, big specialty of yours.

[00:39:47] Teaching, dealing with lots of people, parents and kids.

[00:39:51] We could talk.

[00:39:52] You could talk about your eventual bartending as well.

[00:39:56] Stories from from yeah, from around there.

[00:39:59] The great. Yeah.

[00:40:00] Like there's there's a lot of things you can you can sort of work in there

[00:40:03] and then, you know, be a little bit more creative than just talk about the Mariners.

[00:40:07] Yeah, I mean, I would love to go through a retrospective of like,

[00:40:10] you know, find all these former Pac 12 college Hoopers and talk to them.

[00:40:13] You know what I mean?

[00:40:15] Like the Cheatham guy from Arizona State was one of my favorite players to watch.

[00:40:21] I don't know where he's playing.

[00:40:22] I'm sure in Europe or somewhere, but just like, you know, talking to people

[00:40:26] like that or like, you know, you just have different players.

[00:40:29] You're like Jorge Gutierrez from Cal when he was there, like a defensive stop

[00:40:32] or like that stuff was kind of cool to me.

[00:40:34] I don't know. We'll see.

[00:40:36] Just like I said, you know, sometimes you just run out of things to say.

[00:40:40] Though that hasn't happened to me yet.

[00:40:42] But oh, yeah, it's it'll be interesting.

[00:40:45] I think everybody got a podcast.

[00:40:47] Maybe I'll do something like that.

[00:40:49] Would you straight up delete your Twitter when your beatwriting days are over?

[00:40:53] Would you just make a burner or would you not have Twitter at all?

[00:40:56] No, we've thought about that.

[00:40:58] I probably would delete it, you know, and then just start over.

[00:41:02] Have a private account.

[00:41:03] I mean, I keep like Twitter itself serves a pretty good purpose in terms of

[00:41:07] like aggregating news, aggregating news from, you know, remember

[00:41:12] like the old aggregation sites that you'd have like Google Reader or

[00:41:16] whatever, you know, you get your links and you get the aggregate.

[00:41:19] That part is really good, you know, from a news standpoint.

[00:41:22] But then I'm a degenerate gambler.

[00:41:24] So I would probably use it for that aspect.

[00:41:27] But yeah, I think I probably would just delete it all.

[00:41:30] You know, it's like the whole griffy thing.

[00:41:32] He gone, you know, maybe I'd make a call to my bosses from a gas station in

[00:41:36] Montana. Hey, I'm done.

[00:41:37] You know, I'm already halfway back to Montana and I'm done, but we'll see.

[00:41:41] You never know.

[00:41:43] I think I'm going to try and double down on this one more time.

[00:41:46] I know you said no when I said it to you in person, but I think

[00:41:48] it'd be hilarious for one game or for a few tweets within a game.

[00:41:52] If you just turned off all the replies to Twitter, like when you tweet,

[00:41:55] Mariners lose four to two.

[00:41:56] Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

[00:41:57] Just like a couple of those tweets, just turn them off and don't let

[00:42:00] people reply.

[00:42:00] I didn't know.

[00:42:01] I'd have to show me how to do it, but don't think can't they just

[00:42:04] quote, tweet you then?

[00:42:06] OK, they can, but you're going to get a lot less quote tweets than

[00:42:09] you will replies.

[00:42:10] Maybe there'd be 15 or so quote tweets, but you're not going to

[00:42:13] get the hundreds of replies that you'll get in those type of.

[00:42:16] Do you think if like, you know, it's like the Facebook thing

[00:42:19] or what they did with like newspaper commenting aspects, if

[00:42:22] everybody had to put their real name and picture on Twitter,

[00:42:26] do you think it would be as less?

[00:42:27] You think it'd be less vitriolic?

[00:42:29] Or yes, OK.

[00:42:31] Yeah, because because people would never say the stuff to you in

[00:42:34] person that they like to say online.

[00:42:35] And like the two of us see it on basically four different social

[00:42:38] platforms and believe it or not, there's some platforms that are

[00:42:41] worse than Twitter with people with burner names.

[00:42:43] It'll say basically anything that they never say in person.

[00:42:46] So yeah, like they wouldn't say the stuff they say about

[00:42:48] players to their face with a, you know, oh, man, great.

[00:42:51] It's good meeting you, you know, like you meet, you know,

[00:42:54] like now everybody wants to get rid of Thai France.

[00:42:57] But if you meet Thai France and you talked to which is like,

[00:42:59] man, you really suck or your swing, you know, like, you know,

[00:43:03] would they do that? I don't know.

[00:43:04] It's it's so weird.

[00:43:05] But then again, like you look on some of the replies,

[00:43:07] like these guys that have Instagram or Twitter and you see

[00:43:10] some of the stuff they say, like the angry

[00:43:12] betters who lost money because of them.

[00:43:14] Like that was one thing, like with the betting aspect.

[00:43:18] Players, I've talked to players about it, like people will

[00:43:21] just fire the worst messages ever at them for blowing,

[00:43:25] you know, like you blow a save and cost somebody,

[00:43:28] you know, a parlayer or whatever they get mad and like sent,

[00:43:32] which is truly insane.

[00:43:34] It's like for me, I can't.

[00:43:37] I can't fathom, I guess it like, why would you do that?

[00:43:40] Like you would tweet that person's like, you know,

[00:43:43] you should go out, you should kill yourself

[00:43:45] because you blew this game or whatever.

[00:43:47] It cost me money.

[00:43:48] Like, I mean, if you're if that's the point that

[00:43:51] you're out when you bet, make the bet,

[00:43:52] then maybe you shouldn't do it.

[00:43:54] You know, it's like and again, I never, you know,

[00:43:56] I love the Montana Grizzlies football team,

[00:43:59] but like I can't imagine like tweeting to one of,

[00:44:04] you know, replying to a tweet from like one of the

[00:44:08] the beat writers, like just complaining and you don't do your job

[00:44:11] because you haven't asked Bobby Hauke about this or that.

[00:44:14] You know, like I just I never, you know, I mean,

[00:44:17] I don't even know if Softy does that kind of stuff.

[00:44:19] But, you know, we're neither here, they're there.

[00:44:24] Ryan, how is life for you without Larry?

[00:44:27] It sucks. It really does.

[00:44:29] I mean, I just again, like for me

[00:44:33] because I'm Mr. Sunshine, you know, and and

[00:44:38] you know, tend to kind of whole grudges and beat me.

[00:44:43] Larry's Larry was kind of a good outlet for me,

[00:44:48] you know, and he just is very he's very major.

[00:44:52] Like you can sit there and say, you know, you're a pragmatist

[00:44:56] about this and I try to be or, you know, stoic or whatever, all these things.

[00:45:01] Larry just he preached, you know, he lived kind of how

[00:45:05] he wrote, it was never reactionary.

[00:45:08] He cuts you up, but he do it in a smart way.

[00:45:11] Like everything he does and how he processes.

[00:45:13] Like I wish I could write like him.

[00:45:16] He succinct and to the point.

[00:45:17] And me, I'm just throwing out word diarrhea and salad half the time.

[00:45:22] And he can make a point.

[00:45:24] Like it was hard. It's hard to define

[00:45:27] a calmest job, like how good it calmness can be

[00:45:31] and how much influence they can have.

[00:45:33] But it isn't about calling for somebody to be fired.

[00:45:37] It's about providing an opinion that makes people think

[00:45:41] and kind of either agree with it or hate hate you for it.

[00:45:43] It's like we live in a society now where everybody's been watching

[00:45:48] first take and the arguing political shows

[00:45:51] and about concept of what media does or even what I do versus what Larry does.

[00:45:55] But having him around, he wrote the column

[00:45:58] about the big picture of the team over two week stretches or where the team was

[00:46:01] trending and it was always right and it was always smart.

[00:46:05] Even like when he said it was like the most dislike team last year.

[00:46:10] You know, he understood kind of where it was going.

[00:46:13] So yeah, I miss him a ton.

[00:46:15] Having him around is great.

[00:46:16] You know, like said, having Adam around is great too.

[00:46:19] But when it's all three of us, like we work really well together.

[00:46:22] If you look at our our postseason coverage a couple years ago

[00:46:26] and our section stuff over the All Star break, us three together,

[00:46:29] we work really well.

[00:46:31] You know, and even I'll throw like sometimes when Bob Kondota jumps

[00:46:34] in the mix and helps us with some of the nerdy historical stuff,

[00:46:38] like it's really good.

[00:46:39] And part of it is because all four of us are friends.

[00:46:41] And so we we talk with each other all the time.

[00:46:44] So not having Larry there, he does.

[00:46:46] It feels like something's missing every day.

[00:46:48] And like, you know, he goes to the parks now, but it's not the same.

[00:46:52] Like, you know, he'd always text me, hey, I'm going to be out there today

[00:46:55] writing this and that.

[00:46:56] And he always thought about what he was going to write.

[00:46:57] He had an idea.

[00:46:58] He followed what he was supposed to do.

[00:46:59] That's true mark of a calmness is.

[00:47:02] It's not about writing opinions or even like informed opinions.

[00:47:06] It's understanding what needs to be written in the first place.

[00:47:10] And that's, you know, you know, I think Mike

[00:47:13] and is going to be a good calmness down the road.

[00:47:15] It's just like, you have to find your way first.

[00:47:17] You know, it's like, I always thought I would be a calmness first too.

[00:47:20] But, you know, it just hasn't worked out that way.

[00:47:24] I'll give Larry credit to you talk about he always gets stuff right.

[00:47:27] I remember before 2022, he stamped his belief and this is the year

[00:47:31] the Mariners break the drought and they might have fallen 10 games

[00:47:33] under at one point, but they did break it.

[00:47:36] Yeah, I remember that we we did that special section this year.

[00:47:39] They break the drought kind of like the sports

[00:47:42] illustrated with the the Astros and stuff like that.

[00:47:44] We we it's crazy.

[00:47:47] I thought last year, so 2022, I wrote when they got

[00:47:52] they lost what four or five to the Angels and there were 10 games under 500.

[00:47:57] And everybody thought like Tony Arnott was going to get fired.

[00:47:59] And, you know, honestly, like we had a story

[00:48:03] pre written about Scott getting fired about or a training coach being fired.

[00:48:07] You know, we had like a rough draft of it.

[00:48:09] You keep it at all times.

[00:48:10] Obituaries for old people, which is totally morbid.

[00:48:13] But, you know, I wrote and I cut them up really bad that day.

[00:48:18] And and, you know, and they just got hot.

[00:48:22] And I think last year, I'm trying to think where I want to was

[00:48:27] I wrote a story, a game story.

[00:48:31] Where I made fun of the library

[00:48:35] in the players lounge of all the unread books about success.

[00:48:38] And I also took a shot at Country Roads.

[00:48:41] And like because I think it was right after they lost to the Nationals

[00:48:44] and and and Patrick Corbin and shoved on them.

[00:48:49] And like, I cut them up pretty bad to the point where you know,

[00:48:52] a couple of guys in one of the baseball obstacles, Jesus, Ryan, that was

[00:48:57] I mean, like, what were you on that day?

[00:48:59] And then, you know, they started winning.

[00:49:01] Like this team hasn't even reached that point yet where we've

[00:49:04] we've kind of said that the season is cooked or whatever.

[00:49:06] And and it's crazy is like, I think this team

[00:49:11] is better than the other two teams I've covered.

[00:49:15] In terms of talent, you know, obviously the performance isn't good.

[00:49:17] But I look at this team and I think it has the capability of being better

[00:49:23] and being more consistent than those other two teams before.

[00:49:27] And I like right now nothing that we see tracks to that,

[00:49:30] specifically the strikeouts and who we are struggles.

[00:49:34] But I, you know, you're not really.

[00:49:39] You're getting more out of the third base platoon than you thought you would.

[00:49:42] And and, you know, that's pretty crazy because I thought that was

[00:49:46] the the biggest weakness of this team, you know, that that position

[00:49:50] lies and overall team defense coming into the season.

[00:49:55] Yeah, a couple more.

[00:49:57] Well, I was going to say if we if we want to segue

[00:49:59] based off what you just said and do a little bit of Mariners talk

[00:50:01] and you talking about the third base platoon, like it's not just the offense.

[00:50:04] Like if you like, like if you look at some of the defensive numbers,

[00:50:07] I'm not saying they've been gold glivers over there,

[00:50:09] but it's been a lot better than I think people thought they would be preseason

[00:50:12] earliest, especially yeah, the numbers and then the eye test.

[00:50:15] So like what I remember that like one of the first days

[00:50:18] full squad workouts as over there watching third base

[00:50:22] and and I love Riz and Riz is over there with me.

[00:50:25] You know, and that guy is like the happiest guy.

[00:50:28] And I used to joke that like he's kind of like Ron Burgundy

[00:50:30] if you put it on the teleprompter, he will read it.

[00:50:32] It's like if it services, oh, you know, these guys can play defense or whatever.

[00:50:38] He'll believe Scott first, but we're watching them.

[00:50:41] And and at that point, Arius couldn't throw, but he also couldn't feel

[00:50:45] and Rojas was struggling.

[00:50:47] And I mean, I was like 25 ground balls in a row.

[00:50:51] They might have fielded six of them cleanly.

[00:50:54] And Riz, what do you think of third base?

[00:50:56] These guys are terrible defensively.

[00:50:58] They're like, what do you mean?

[00:50:59] Skip says they're going to be good.

[00:51:00] I'm like, have you just seen what we're watching?

[00:51:03] And and in talking with Perry Hill, Perry Hill called this spring

[00:51:06] one of the most trying springs he's had, not just specifically for those two.

[00:51:10] You know, like the struggles of Ryan Bliss to be consistent

[00:51:13] and Tyler Locklear to be consistent and trying to work with them.

[00:51:17] Like he worked this spring.

[00:51:19] And I just remember Perry saying to me if you remember what Swarrow was like,

[00:51:23] he wasn't good either when he got here.

[00:51:25] Like he had to bounce around.

[00:51:27] And he says it takes, you know, a month of just doing it every day

[00:51:31] to really see the results because not everybody is like JP.

[00:51:34] When JP and Perry first met, like it took a week for him to figure it out

[00:51:38] because he's that gifted.

[00:51:40] And so these and he was younger.

[00:51:42] These guys are older.

[00:51:43] They've been more established.

[00:51:44] So the longer they did it and like you look at it now

[00:51:46] and it's significantly better because it's daily worked on the right way.

[00:51:50] And I mean, we translate that into hitting.

[00:51:53] It's like.

[00:51:54] But these guys are doing the right work

[00:51:55] and they put it in the work.

[00:51:58] It should get better unless they're just unless they're just

[00:52:01] cosmically broken or injured.

[00:52:04] And I think that's, you know, like when I was when I was critical

[00:52:08] and I wasn't necessarily me critical of Jesse Winker,

[00:52:11] it was players being critical of him.

[00:52:13] They felt like he didn't put in the work to get better

[00:52:16] even when he was struggling.

[00:52:17] Like these guys, it's every day.

[00:52:19] That's why these guys believe they're going to fix it

[00:52:22] is because they put in so much work.

[00:52:24] You know, and that's what I was trying to just impart on like fans last night.

[00:52:29] You can blame the hitting coach.

[00:52:30] You really think like Mitch Hanecker is up there thinking, oh, man,

[00:52:34] I got to dominate the zone in this at bat.

[00:52:36] You know, I got to follow this philosophy, you know, or they

[00:52:39] they're worried about what service is going to say.

[00:52:42] Postgame or what?

[00:52:43] Jared DeHard or Tommy Joe's or or a brand brown.

[00:52:47] It's like, no, the idea of the philosophy of the dominant, the zone

[00:52:51] stuff, it's an identity that you want to have as a hitter as a team.

[00:52:56] But like, you can't what you step in the box.

[00:52:59] Get me thinking about any of that stuff.

[00:53:00] You just have to compete.

[00:53:01] Yeah, you want to know like what, you know, part of the approach

[00:53:06] and everything is understanding what the pitcher does well,

[00:53:09] understanding what you hit.

[00:53:10] But at the same time, that can get messed up by a pitcher executing.

[00:53:15] What is it? The Mike Tyson line.

[00:53:17] Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face.

[00:53:20] Well, like last night.

[00:53:22] What's your plan against Johan Durant?

[00:53:24] I mean, honestly, like you up there, guys from 102

[00:53:28] and they throws that splinker thing that's 97.

[00:53:31] Like he's got nastier stuff than Munoz does.

[00:53:34] So what's your plan? Oh, yeah, let's blame the hitting coach

[00:53:37] because you went up there and the guy overpowered you.

[00:53:38] Like the strikeouts are a product of like in college.

[00:53:43] And granted, I played it like in AI school and whatever.

[00:53:47] I never once when I went up there was worried about what my

[00:53:49] hitting coach thought.

[00:53:50] Like if you're worried about what's going on up there,

[00:53:52] the plan or anything, you just go up there and you compete.

[00:53:55] Like I never. And when I walked away, I never thought, oh, man,

[00:53:58] my hitting coach, I got to blame his ass because I struck out.

[00:54:02] These guys don't process that way.

[00:54:04] And like the role of a hitting coach doesn't work that way

[00:54:07] at the big league level.

[00:54:08] Like the hitting coach is there to provide information.

[00:54:11] You know, they don't fix your swing.

[00:54:12] You know, they help analyze it.

[00:54:14] They help you work with it.

[00:54:15] But like, who has his swing coach?

[00:54:17] He came in with a different load, a different an idea.

[00:54:21] Now they're trying to work with him to get it back to where it needs to be.

[00:54:23] But they don't do wholesale changes and players don't.

[00:54:27] Players have their own guys that they trust.

[00:54:28] Do they trust Jared DeHart to help them understand?

[00:54:30] Yeah, there's like a communications factor.

[00:54:32] But like what the role of a hitting coach is is less and less

[00:54:37] to the higher you move up because players are better.

[00:54:40] You know, like, I mean, like I just don't.

[00:54:42] It's so funny to me.

[00:54:43] We don't credit Jared DeHart or Brant Brown when when

[00:54:47] Hannigar has a good at bat and he hits a bomb or when Julio, you know.

[00:54:53] I mean, like all you can do as a hitting coach is to be there

[00:54:56] to provide the information to help analyze, help the hitter analyze it,

[00:55:00] help the hitter realize what he is best at.

[00:55:03] And then, you know, help them and prepare them for the at bat

[00:55:07] that they're going to have or the game they're going to have that night.

[00:55:09] Once once you step on the field or once you step into the batter's box

[00:55:13] per se, what the hell is a hitting coach going to do for you then?

[00:55:17] Unless he's telling us he's the Astros and telling you what's coming.

[00:55:19] Like you can't, you know, it's the help ends there.

[00:55:23] And that's why they like you don't I don't care if they fire whoever.

[00:55:28] I would think it would suck if they fire these hitting coaches.

[00:55:30] But like that I never like credit their six.

[00:55:34] I never credit a hitter success because of hitting coach.

[00:55:36] I'm certainly not going to blame a hitter's failures

[00:55:39] because of hitting coach.

[00:55:40] That doesn't make sense to me.

[00:55:41] Like maybe that and I've covered like 22 hitting coaches in since 2006.

[00:55:46] You know, you fire them.

[00:55:47] It's like, you know, that's the easy guy.

[00:55:49] That's the sacrificial lambs that you can sacrifice a live chicken

[00:55:54] if you fire the hitting coach.

[00:55:55] But at the end of the day, it's whether or not the players perform.

[00:55:57] You know, like I don't think we sit there and say the reason

[00:56:00] Julio is struggling is because the hitting coaches, they're trying

[00:56:04] to get him to dial it back and trying to get him to stay up.

[00:56:07] They're trying to get him to simplify and understand that

[00:56:11] that pitchers aren't going to give in to him when he thinks they're going to give in.

[00:56:15] But, you know, he's got to he's got to he's got to take that information

[00:56:20] and make it work that teaching.

[00:56:23] You know, it's not like they don't sit there and come to their.

[00:56:26] Can you imagine?

[00:56:27] Like you think it's like service and the hitting coach.

[00:56:29] And I don't know.

[00:56:30] I mean, I don't think the strikeouts are that bad, dude.

[00:56:32] We're fine.

[00:56:33] You know, like, no, they hate it.

[00:56:35] They hate it.

[00:56:35] And what they hate is they see it, they see bits and pieces, you know,

[00:56:39] but it's also determined on the pitcher.

[00:56:41] Like that's the one thing you can't you can't force a result in baseball

[00:56:45] because the defense has the ball.

[00:56:47] You know, it's not like football where you run a better play

[00:56:50] and you have the ball.

[00:56:51] You can't do that like basketball, too.

[00:56:53] You can't you can't call the get a hit play.

[00:56:56] You know what I mean?

[00:56:56] Like that doesn't work because the pitcher has control of the ball.

[00:57:00] And if they execute properly as the Mariners do quite often,

[00:57:04] if you execute properly as a pitcher, you will beat the hitter 90 percent of the time.

[00:57:08] I mean, like it's so funny is like can't.

[00:57:11] Yeah, the Mariners play a lot, but you got to tip the pitchers a little bit

[00:57:14] sometimes like when they do execute there are plenty of times for the

[00:57:16] Mariners screw up.

[00:57:17] But, you know, that's where you can't forget the one side.

[00:57:20] If you're watching the Mariners dominate because George Kirby's

[00:57:23] dotting up spots, throwing 97.

[00:57:26] Well, if the other pitcher throws well, too, then you can't like sit

[00:57:29] there and say, well, it's only the Mariners fall because they're not hitting.

[00:57:31] Now averaging three and a half runs a game is bad.

[00:57:34] And some of the strikeout percentage is bad.

[00:57:36] But like I thought last night, people didn't realize when strikeout

[00:57:41] batters more than any other team and they have a better strikeout

[00:57:43] to walk rate than the Mariners pitching staff and the Mariners hitters

[00:57:47] strikeout probably more than a day strikeout more than the other team.

[00:57:49] So what did people think was going to happen?

[00:57:51] Like 14 strikeouts, I thought, well, it could have been 16

[00:57:54] the way some of the or some of the woods Richardson was

[00:57:56] throwing at the very beginning.

[00:57:59] What's the balance of team hitting coach versus personal

[00:58:02] hitting coach for these guys in season?

[00:58:04] That's great. Yeah.

[00:58:05] So that's a good question.

[00:58:08] It's hard to say about it.

[00:58:09] Like I do know that that Jared Dahart talks with like

[00:58:14] Kulio's private hitting guy, the guy he's in Tampa.

[00:58:16] I can't remember his name is now.

[00:58:19] Mitch Hanniger is his kind of hitting guys are Hugh

[00:58:24] Quaddlebaum, who used to be with the Mariners.

[00:58:26] And that's Hugh as part of Tim Laker, Robert Ben Syok,

[00:58:31] Craig Wallenbrock, that group, you know, J.D.

[00:58:33] Martinez, Kellan, Mitch is one of those guys.

[00:58:36] You know, ties obviously drive line, J.P.'s drive line.

[00:58:40] They they they interact with all of them.

[00:58:42] It's not like, you know, in really the fundamentals of hitting

[00:58:46] aren't aren't like specific to a coach.

[00:58:50] A lot of times it's just the verbiage of what a coach uses or the beliefs.

[00:58:53] I mean, the beliefs of getting in an athletic hitting position

[00:58:57] and, you know, having your foot down and being ready hit hit is pretty standard.

[00:59:03] You know, the vocabulary sometimes is different.

[00:59:06] But yeah, they talk to him about it.

[00:59:08] You know, I think was a couple of last year,

[00:59:10] Julio brought his guy in for a couple of days.

[00:59:12] The Mariners, ultimately, the Mariners,

[00:59:15] they're not looking to take credit for who makes a player successful.

[00:59:19] They just want the player to be successful.

[00:59:21] You know, it's like on bolder.

[00:59:22] And if you believe you're successful because you're wearing women's

[00:59:24] underwear than you are, like they don't care.

[00:59:27] Find a way, you know, if you think that this guy can help you,

[00:59:31] then let's discuss it, you know, and work with them together and do it.

[00:59:36] But yeah, they have all the video.

[00:59:37] They have it all downloaded.

[00:59:38] They video every session in the cage on the field

[00:59:41] and those guys can grab it, you know, send it.

[00:59:45] It's not like the old days of video cameras send it and analyze it.

[00:59:48] That's why I think there is there's a communication level.

[00:59:51] I think with all the coaches, the private and personal

[00:59:55] and I do know like the Mariners like some guys better than others.

[01:00:01] You know, with Jared, they didn't love some of the stuff he did with Mark McGuire

[01:00:05] when they were trying to get him to swing less hard, you know,

[01:00:07] and think less about power and thinking more about contact.

[01:00:09] But that's, you know, they still they still kind of honor

[01:00:13] because it's a player's career, right?

[01:00:15] It's your career. It's your numbers.

[01:00:18] So ultimately, it's next to you.

[01:00:21] How you want it to end up is up to you.

[01:00:24] And I think the Mariners encourage work.

[01:00:27] They encourage improvement like the whole DMGB thing.

[01:00:31] They don't they don't care who gets the credit.

[01:00:33] They just want you to continue to work and get better.

[01:00:36] Look at Logan, like and Bryce, Bryce made the decision to add the splitter.

[01:00:39] It wasn't like the Mariners told them.

[01:00:40] They said, hey, look, we need to find ways to be better with left handed

[01:00:43] pitcher or against left handed hitters, but they didn't sit there and say,

[01:00:46] well, you have to do this. You have to do that.

[01:00:48] Like Bryce was smart enough to look at it and say,

[01:00:50] this is this isn't working for me.

[01:00:52] I need to do things to get better.

[01:00:54] Logan's done this like ultimately, like I think a lot of times the players

[01:00:58] are the biggest influencers on how another player gets better is that

[01:01:02] like you look at how Logan is and George is and everything they they experiment.

[01:01:07] They're trying to get better.

[01:01:08] They do it in their own way.

[01:01:09] George is off throwing by himself

[01:01:12] and listening to the worst music on the planet.

[01:01:14] Logan's down there with 57 contraptions in Florida.

[01:01:17] You know, holding a med ball and got a glove on his hand and all that stuff

[01:01:22] and Bryce is down in Texas, Texas A&M's pitching lab and doing his way.

[01:01:26] But they look at the improvement and the Mariners don't sit there and say,

[01:01:29] well, if we don't tell you to do it, we don't want it.

[01:01:32] Now, if there was concerns that somebody was doing something

[01:01:36] they didn't like, they would tell them.

[01:01:38] But ultimately, it's players career.

[01:01:40] You know, they can only influence so much.

[01:01:42] And when guys are on guaranteed contracts or they're part of your roster,

[01:01:46] it's not like you can just bench them or get rid of them.

[01:01:49] You don't like what they're doing.

[01:01:50] You just hope that they're doing the right things to get better

[01:01:53] versus doing nothing to get better.

[01:01:55] What do you feel like is sustainable

[01:01:57] about what this current offense is doing and what isn't?

[01:02:01] Yeah, while you would think that maybe

[01:02:03] their strikeout rate isn't sustainable, but I don't think that they can.

[01:02:10] I don't think that they can win and score runs consistently

[01:02:15] relying so much on the home run.

[01:02:17] But this team is less athletic than it was before.

[01:02:20] You know, you do have some guys that can run, but I don't know.

[01:02:25] I look at it and it's just I think that's the biggest thing

[01:02:28] is I think that's where the frustration lies is like.

[01:02:31] So the game against Framber, where they recognize that, hey,

[01:02:35] this guy doesn't have it.

[01:02:36] This guy is doing this.

[01:02:37] This guy is doing this.

[01:02:39] Let's go out and beat him this way.

[01:02:41] And then they do it.

[01:02:43] I think that's where you're like the frustrations.

[01:02:46] Like you see the potential of what they could be, but we're not seeing it.

[01:02:50] So what I don't think is sustainable with the offense.

[01:02:52] I don't think it's sustainable playing Mitch Hanegger as often as they are.

[01:02:56] Think you see some fatigue factors, you know, fifth to day

[01:02:58] and fifth or sixth day in a row doesn't look the same.

[01:03:01] And I don't know that this group without the addition of a player

[01:03:06] maybe is going to be viable, you know?

[01:03:11] And like with and that's the thing, too, is like their roster is not set up

[01:03:14] the way they want it. Like with Reeve, they're not really even playing him.

[01:03:18] You know, he's just a guy there for defensive purposes.

[01:03:20] He plays sparingly.

[01:03:22] So, you know, you're you're missing a and he's not

[01:03:25] like the greatest base dealer or greatest fastest runner.

[01:03:28] So you've taken a spot where you could use a pinch runner

[01:03:33] or you could use some speed factors there like Dylan Moore is that guy in that spot.

[01:03:37] You don't have that right now.

[01:03:38] So forces you to play differently.

[01:03:40] And I mean, Dylan Moore is great.

[01:03:41] But if you have JP there, then when you need Dylan Moore to come into the game,

[01:03:45] you have him or you have Reeve, who only plays really shortstop and second base.

[01:03:49] He's not even some odd Taylor.

[01:03:51] But like I don't you have to have the Reeve Oscar there

[01:03:53] because he's a better defensive infielder than some odd is or whoever.

[01:03:58] Ryan Blitz or whatever you have to have him because it's it's a it's a premium position.

[01:04:02] But yeah, I think that's what's not sustainable is kind of how they're

[01:04:07] playing or how their roster is playing out right now.

[01:04:10] And how it's forced to play in that way.

[01:04:13] OK, you just mentioned that you feel like eventually they may need to add somebody

[01:04:18] in order to get the offense where they want to get it.

[01:04:20] I know we're still a bit away from it, but do you have any feeling right now

[01:04:24] where they might target that player come the trade deadline or wherever it would be?

[01:04:30] Like like is it corner outfield or is it somewhere else?

[01:04:33] Yeah, that's a good question too.

[01:04:34] So Larry and Adam had been on the Luis Arise

[01:04:38] bandwagon thing. Oh, this is the guy they need because he puts the ball in play.

[01:04:43] He's a contact guy.

[01:04:45] Though probably if he showed up here, he'd strike out a bunch

[01:04:47] and then they'd want to fire his hitting coach too.

[01:04:50] No, I don't know. And I was super I was super surprised

[01:04:53] that Marlins moved the podraiser able to jump the market so quickly.

[01:04:59] Yeah, I mean, I guess you could look at

[01:05:02] corner outfield corner outfield or the play first base.

[01:05:05] Maybe a right handed version of Luke Rayleigh.

[01:05:08] I don't know.

[01:05:11] You know, used to be thought they're just going to add a third baseman.

[01:05:14] But maybe it is just a bench third base bat that's right handed.

[01:05:17] I don't know or an infield guy.

[01:05:19] You know, they have a DH right now.

[01:05:21] What could what will ultimately probably factor into what they do

[01:05:27] will be either.

[01:05:29] Continued lack of production or injury.

[01:05:33] Like it changes completely what everything does or what your needs can be

[01:05:37] from month to month.

[01:05:39] If there isn't if a player suffers an injury that's going to keep them out

[01:05:42] a month or two, then that changes what they need to add.

[01:05:44] But I do think unless unless they start showing

[01:05:48] more consistent results from certain places,

[01:05:52] they're going to have to add or have to supplement because you this is

[01:05:55] a window that you that you have right now that is exceptional.

[01:05:59] And we don't even know too.

[01:06:00] Like, again, they could go on a stretch where maybe the starting

[01:06:03] pitching isn't as great and then it plays out differently what you need

[01:06:07] or you don't need.

[01:06:07] I also think if if Santos isn't going to if you don't know that

[01:06:11] Santos is coming back, then maybe finding another leverage arm

[01:06:14] might be useful just because you had never have enough

[01:06:19] to be an experienced guy to kind of squeeze in there with

[01:06:21] Stanek and Munoz inspire right now they're kind of using

[01:06:25] Trent Thornton, who I think has been better than people think.

[01:06:28] But, you know, there is going to be other arms out there on the

[01:06:30] market that can help you that maybe have swinging mist stuff in

[01:06:33] situations that you can can point to.

[01:06:35] I mean, you're waiting for the the brass type to emerge or

[01:06:39] somebody to emerge.

[01:06:40] But I think that could be an option as well.

[01:06:45] You could pre write them re acquiring Seawold.

[01:06:49] Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

[01:06:52] You know, we were I was kind of discussing like who do you

[01:06:54] think is going to move players at the deadline?

[01:06:58] We obviously know Miami, but they're you know, kind of who

[01:07:02] arises the one man guy.

[01:07:03] They have a lot of strikeout guys in their offense.

[01:07:06] They have a couple arms, but they haven't been healthy.

[01:07:08] Obviously, Chicago is going to move guys.

[01:07:10] But unless it's Luis Robert, who's perpetually hurt, who do

[01:07:13] you want on the Chicago roster?

[01:07:15] You know, like, um, do the rock like who do you want

[01:07:19] on the Rockies roster that could help you?

[01:07:21] I mean, are there real guys that have real fits?

[01:07:24] Because you're going to have to give up probably Harry Ford

[01:07:26] and maybe somebody else to get a dude.

[01:07:30] Who is it? I mean, do the pirates have somebody

[01:07:32] you want to move something like that?

[01:07:34] It's kind of like who's going to be bad at that time?

[01:07:38] I got you always kind of thought the Red Sox would be bad

[01:07:40] at that time, but they play better too.

[01:07:42] So it's because there's a reason why like

[01:07:47] the White Sox are terrible and the the Marlins are bad

[01:07:51] and everything else is because the players aren't really that good

[01:07:53] or they're not performing well.

[01:07:54] So do you add them or not?

[01:07:55] It'll be an interesting thing.

[01:07:57] And of course, there's always the money aspect with sports

[01:08:00] and how much salary do they want to add?

[01:08:03] We're expecting to see Brian Wu back this week.

[01:08:07] Do you feel like there's going to be any added pressure on him

[01:08:11] based on how the rest of the rotation has performed?

[01:08:13] Like you've seen Bryce take this unbelievable step forward

[01:08:16] in year number two is does when Brian Wu gets there,

[01:08:21] do you do you feel like for him it's going to feel

[01:08:23] like I have to perform up to that level too?

[01:08:25] No, because I think he thinks he's that level all the time.

[01:08:29] I mean, like if you talk to Brian, he's pretty chill.

[01:08:31] Got that whole California surfer thing where he doesn't,

[01:08:35] you know, he doesn't seem like he's not cocky,

[01:08:38] but he just he knows he's good.

[01:08:40] And he kind of the way he pitches, you know, it's matter

[01:08:43] of fact that he's to him that he performs

[01:08:46] his expectation that he's always going to perform.

[01:08:48] So I don't think there's any added pressure.

[01:08:51] And really, there isn't in the sense that like

[01:08:53] come in and just be be yourself.

[01:08:56] I think that's one thing they compete,

[01:08:58] make they try and outdo each other, but be yourself in the process.

[01:09:02] And I think his success towards the end of last year

[01:09:05] really helped him.

[01:09:06] We'll see, you know, how it plays out against lefties.

[01:09:10] But, you know, I think

[01:09:13] I don't think there's any major pressure

[01:09:14] and I don't think he's a guy that thinks that way.

[01:09:18] You know, even from meeting him last year

[01:09:20] when he had like no big league experience

[01:09:22] or anything called up and was just kind of like, yeah, I'm here.

[01:09:26] I'm good. Like this is where I'm supposed to be.

[01:09:28] So, you know, I think that really helps him in that regard.

[01:09:33] I do want to go back for a second

[01:09:35] to some of the bullpen stuff,

[01:09:37] because I know you mentioned a minute ago about

[01:09:39] you don't know if you're going to get Santos back.

[01:09:41] Is that just your feeling?

[01:09:43] Because I think the last time we got an update, they,

[01:09:44] you know, he's thrown from 120 feet or whatever it is.

[01:09:47] But are we not still thinking sometime in June

[01:09:51] or do you think it's going to be longer?

[01:09:52] I mean, yeah, I would assume June,

[01:09:54] but he got out to 120 feet the last time

[01:09:56] and then felt a strain and re-injured himself.

[01:09:58] So I think that's, you know,

[01:10:00] tell they step till they get into a rehab assignment

[01:10:03] and make a couple appearances in rehab assignments.

[01:10:06] It's always taught in its pitchers.

[01:10:08] With Brash, I never,

[01:10:11] I thought, you know, from the very beginning,

[01:10:14] and I know people within the organization

[01:10:16] thought he was cooked the first time he got hurt

[01:10:19] because they kind of understand

[01:10:21] that that's where it's trending with how he throws

[01:10:23] and the number of sliders and everything else.

[01:10:26] It was always a matter of when not if,

[01:10:30] but with Santos it's different.

[01:10:31] It's a lot.

[01:10:33] I just pictures are hard to predict,

[01:10:35] but yeah, I think he'll be back.

[01:10:38] And I always expected me back by June 1st.

[01:10:40] So, but you just don't know

[01:10:42] until he steps foot on a big league mound,

[01:10:46] it's just 50-50, you know?

[01:10:49] You don't really know.

[01:10:50] And then with Brash, like, so he's done, right?

[01:10:53] Like, I mean, I'm trying to hold out some 5% hope.

[01:10:55] They come up with an update saying,

[01:10:56] well, they shut him down for a couple of weeks again.

[01:10:58] We'll see how he responds.

[01:10:59] But like, is there any hope

[01:11:01] that he could avoid Tommy John here?

[01:11:03] I mean, I guess, but what are you avoiding at this point?

[01:11:06] You know, you throw it, you do the PRP shot.

[01:11:10] You prolong it.

[01:11:11] I mean, when does that really work for anybody?

[01:11:14] So, you know, if you recall,

[01:11:17] when Hollander did the update initially

[01:11:19] and they did the MRI,

[01:11:21] he never said that Brash's MRI was clean.

[01:11:24] He just said there was no new damage

[01:11:26] and it looked the same as before

[01:11:29] because every picture has UCL damage

[01:11:33] because it's unnatural.

[01:11:34] I'm putting a lot of pressure on your UCL,

[01:11:36] but yeah, I didn't, he never,

[01:11:39] I don't know, that was the thing.

[01:11:40] Like somebody said, well,

[01:11:41] if he had just got the surgery done in February,

[01:11:47] he, you know, his time to readiness is sooner.

[01:11:51] Now he's wasted a few months.

[01:11:52] I get why they did it

[01:11:53] because there wasn't anything new

[01:11:55] to raise a big red flag other than he didn't feel great.

[01:11:59] But at the same time,

[01:12:00] if he's not feeling great in an area

[01:12:02] and then you know there's already damage,

[01:12:04] what point do you just wave the white flag and say,

[01:12:07] look, this isn't gonna get any better

[01:12:09] until we do something more substantial to repair it,

[01:12:13] whether that's doing the brace technique now or not.

[01:12:16] But yeah, maybe, I'm waiting to see,

[01:12:19] we don't talk to Hollander or Toe.

[01:12:22] When do we get back from this road trip?

[01:12:24] Friday?

[01:12:25] Friday, right?

[01:12:25] Yeah, Friday.

[01:12:26] So we'll talk to Hollander Friday

[01:12:27] with updates on all of that.

[01:12:29] So yeah, I mean, for all I know,

[01:12:32] we could get an email with a medical update

[01:12:35] saying Matt Brash underwent surgery.

[01:12:37] We haven't heard the last updates on it,

[01:12:40] but at some point, and it sucks,

[01:12:43] but at some point you kind of know

[01:12:44] this is an outcome that Matt Brash is gonna have

[01:12:49] and whether or not, then he has to come back from it.

[01:12:52] So whether they do it now

[01:12:53] or they hope they can get him back for a month or two,

[01:12:56] it's his career too.

[01:12:57] He's gotta make that decision.

[01:12:59] Like the Mariners can sit there and say,

[01:13:00] well, we think you should do this.

[01:13:03] What the player ultimately makes the decision

[01:13:06] about their health, their career, how they wanna do it.

[01:13:08] I mean, like that was the case with Kyle Lewis

[01:13:11] after the very first ACL surgery and some stuff.

[01:13:15] It was his, he basically told the Mariners,

[01:13:17] no, I'm getting this scoped and cleaned up.

[01:13:18] Like the Mariners didn't explain it.

[01:13:20] The Mariners weren't even certain that it happened.

[01:13:22] Like they didn't know for certain

[01:13:23] because he kind of just decided he was gonna do it.

[01:13:26] His doctor said he needed to do it and he did it.

[01:13:28] So I don't know.

[01:13:29] Was Kyle Lewis playing anywhere?

[01:13:32] I don't think he is.

[01:13:33] I think he's still in triple A for the Diamondbacks,

[01:13:35] right?

[01:13:37] No.

[01:13:38] He released him.

[01:13:38] He was DFA'd and I don't think he took the outright.

[01:13:42] I don't think he's playing.

[01:13:43] Oh, then if he's not with Arizona.

[01:13:45] Yeah.

[01:13:46] If he's not with Arizona, yeah, I don't know.

[01:13:48] Can you believe that?

[01:13:49] Nobody like gave him, he didn't take a DH chance somewhere.

[01:13:52] Right.

[01:13:53] No, that's crazy.

[01:13:54] Can he still DH?

[01:13:55] I mean sort of.

[01:13:56] To me, I don't think he can play the outfield,

[01:13:58] but I don't think he's playing.

[01:14:01] We were talking about that the other day

[01:14:02] that he's not playing.

[01:14:03] That's crazy.

[01:14:04] But he also wasn't hitting well as a DH.

[01:14:07] No, no.

[01:14:08] It's like that's the worst possible combo to have.

[01:14:11] Yeah, it's not ideal.

[01:14:14] I don't think he's soloing.

[01:14:14] Speaking of Mariners Centerfielders and the current one,

[01:14:18] like what are you seeing from Julio right now

[01:14:21] and what is their fix?

[01:14:23] Is it moving him down in the lineup?

[01:14:25] Is it just his approach?

[01:14:28] What is, what's the key for Julio

[01:14:32] to shake all these cobwebs off and look more like himself?

[01:14:36] Um, it just,

[01:14:40] he's not on time.

[01:14:41] If you look like he's off balance a lot when he swings,

[01:14:47] like even his takes, you know, you know,

[01:14:51] go hard with the legs and go to take the pitch.

[01:14:53] He kind of falls forward, falls back.

[01:14:55] He's not very balanced.

[01:14:58] You know, I'm not going to go all swing nerdish

[01:15:00] because they know a lot more than I do.

[01:15:02] And I'm trying, they're working on it,

[01:15:04] but he just doesn't really like the inconsistency of his load,

[01:15:10] which everybody's talking about, like his back leg

[01:15:12] and getting the bat in the hitting position.

[01:15:15] There's an inconsistency there at times.

[01:15:18] And you know, front foot being down all that stuff.

[01:15:21] It's not the same all the time.

[01:15:23] And it's never going to be perfectly the same all the time,

[01:15:25] but it's inconsistent to the point

[01:15:28] of where he's off balance and he's missing fastballs

[01:15:32] in the middle.

[01:15:33] And like, as one person said,

[01:15:35] sometimes with superstar players and things aren't working,

[01:15:39] you have to hit a rock bottom in your mind

[01:15:41] before you give into some of the teaching.

[01:15:44] I'm not saying he just doesn't listen,

[01:15:46] but like, you know, he's not,

[01:15:49] they have an idea of what I think will work for him.

[01:15:53] And I think he understands it,

[01:15:54] but again, it's implementing it.

[01:15:55] It's getting out of your comfort zone sometimes

[01:15:57] and maybe doing something slightly different.

[01:15:59] And that's the one thing, like with a hitter,

[01:16:02] I've learned this coaching people

[01:16:04] and even just like being around baseball players in general,

[01:16:06] you ask a player to do something minimal,

[01:16:09] like a half an inch or an inch.

[01:16:11] To them, it feels like they're doing it

[01:16:12] by a foot difference.

[01:16:14] You know, like you ask a guy to move his hands here.

[01:16:17] Well, I'm so far back now.

[01:16:18] No, you move your hands one inch,

[01:16:21] but it may feel like that, you know,

[01:16:23] to them at any sort of even minimal change

[01:16:26] feels like a lot changed.

[01:16:28] And I think for Julio,

[01:16:31] it's getting his consistency,

[01:16:35] getting some consistency in the hitting position,

[01:16:37] but also like pitch selection, pitch recognition

[01:16:42] and then, you know, he just,

[01:16:46] the book hasn't changed.

[01:16:48] Hard in, hard in, soft away, you know, that's what they do.

[01:16:51] Look at how many fastballs they throw on his hands

[01:16:54] and then looking at me breaking stuff there

[01:16:57] or even fastballs away,

[01:16:58] fastballs up and in, breaking stuff away.

[01:17:01] And what that does is it makes the batter uncomfortable

[01:17:05] in the box and off balance in the box

[01:17:06] so that when they do see a mistake,

[01:17:09] they're not in a good position to hit it.

[01:17:11] They're either, you know, if it's a mistake,

[01:17:13] fastball, they're behind it, they foul it off

[01:17:16] or if it's a mace like a hanging breaking ball,

[01:17:18] they pull it foul because they're not

[01:17:21] in a good position to hit the ball.

[01:17:23] And I think that's what he's got to find, you know?

[01:17:25] And it's a rhythm there.

[01:17:26] And sometimes, you know, you're doing the work

[01:17:28] and something clicks,

[01:17:29] but that's been the biggest issues like,

[01:17:32] you know, the whole in between.

[01:17:33] I know fans hate listening to that,

[01:17:34] but there's no place worse to be

[01:17:36] where you feel like you're late on the fastball

[01:17:39] and you're early on every breaking ball

[01:17:40] and you're not on a breaking ball.

[01:17:41] And I think that's, you know,

[01:17:43] he's not significantly late,

[01:17:44] but he's late enough that he's fouling pitches off

[01:17:48] or not hitting them hard.

[01:17:50] You know, I think for me, when he's at his best,

[01:17:54] he's legitimately trying to hit the ball the right center

[01:17:57] because he has a special gift

[01:17:59] to hit the ball the opposite field.

[01:18:01] And so I think, you know, people talk about,

[01:18:04] oh, you got to pull the ball in the air

[01:18:05] and everything, that's fine.

[01:18:06] That'll happen if he's on time

[01:18:08] to hit the ball the right center,

[01:18:10] you know, and he's ready to hit the fastball

[01:18:12] the right center.

[01:18:13] I think that's what his focus should be.

[01:18:15] And I think that's what they've told him.

[01:18:17] So.

[01:18:20] The last one I've got for you, Ryan,

[01:18:21] is TJ and I talked about it a little earlier in this episode,

[01:18:24] but you talked about the strides that Bryce Miller's made

[01:18:26] and the things that he improved on this offseason.

[01:18:29] But when you look at Logan Gilbert,

[01:18:31] the biggest step forward he's taken

[01:18:33] is what, in your opinion?

[01:18:35] Bryce?

[01:18:37] Sorry, Logan.

[01:18:38] Oh, Logan, I'm sorry.

[01:18:41] I think he's just been,

[01:18:42] you know, he's never gonna be like perfect command guide,

[01:18:45] but I think his command of his fastball

[01:18:47] and then the addition of the cutter

[01:18:48] and stuff has made him better.

[01:18:50] Because remember he used to give up bombs,

[01:18:52] like a lot of bombs.

[01:18:54] He's just off the barrel of hitters more and more

[01:18:57] and his ability to execute the slider out of the zone

[01:19:02] and kind of just, you know,

[01:19:04] spot the fastball in on hitters, I think has been big.

[01:19:07] I mean, his progression is off the chart,

[01:19:10] but I do think, you know,

[01:19:12] now that he's not necessarily tinkering with pitch shapes

[01:19:15] as much or tunneling or implementing a new pitch,

[01:19:18] though he's out of the cutter,

[01:19:20] he's out of his repertoire for a longer now,

[01:19:23] he's able to find more consistency in his command.

[01:19:26] He's not George, he can't dot everything up,

[01:19:29] but he's still refined it more

[01:19:32] to be better in the strike zone than he's been.

[01:19:34] And so his misses aren't his wayward.

[01:19:37] And I think that's part of it.

[01:19:38] And just the mentality, like he goes out there

[01:19:41] and attacks hitters.

[01:19:42] We were Daniel Kramer and I were talking about this.

[01:19:45] In Milwaukee after his outing,

[01:19:47] he was still in Walter mode,

[01:19:49] like trying to talk to him

[01:19:50] cause he's really approachable.

[01:19:51] He's funny and even post game,

[01:19:53] like he's very analytical.

[01:19:54] Him and Bryson are the two best about talking

[01:19:56] about their style and their outings.

[01:19:58] And he was still in Walter mode

[01:20:00] and he was kind of like staring at us.

[01:20:01] And one, he's like six, seven, I'm five, eight.

[01:20:03] So it's pretty significant height difference.

[01:20:06] I'm looking up at this dude,

[01:20:07] he's got like staring death rays into me.

[01:20:10] And I stuttered out some crappy questions

[01:20:13] and Daniel then he fell over it.

[01:20:15] I was just like, oh my God, we're terrible at this.

[01:20:18] Cause he was still in Walter mode.

[01:20:19] And I think that's the thing is how he attacks hitters

[01:20:23] and how he approaches his start day is off the chart.

[01:20:28] Good. Not everybody can be that person.

[01:20:30] Bryce isn't that person,

[01:20:31] but like how he implements what he sees from hitters,

[01:20:35] how he works with Cal, I think is huge.

[01:20:38] I mean, I don't necessarily think

[01:20:41] Sebi Savala is a problem,

[01:20:43] but like it's just noticeable how much players,

[01:20:47] pitchers and Cal are on the same page

[01:20:49] and how they want to work things and everything like that.

[01:20:52] And I think Savala is trying to get to that level,

[01:20:54] but I think that's been the biggest thing with Logan

[01:20:56] is his understanding who he is as a pitcher,

[01:21:00] but really just getting more refinement of his command

[01:21:04] because he's not working.

[01:21:05] I think he's not having like the splitter is a splitter.

[01:21:07] Now he has the cutter, you know, we're in this many starts.

[01:21:10] He can, he knows what the cutter is supposed to do

[01:21:12] and how he's supposed to throw it.

[01:21:13] So now it's just focusing on, okay,

[01:21:16] I got to do these things to be successful.

[01:21:18] I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to implement things

[01:21:21] or I'm not trying to, you know, fix something.

[01:21:25] They're already fixed.

[01:21:26] He knows what he's supposed to do with all those pitches

[01:21:28] that are implemented into his repertoire.

[01:21:30] Now he just has to go out and execute.

[01:21:32] So when you're doing your in-between start work,

[01:21:34] you can do that and you have confidence

[01:21:36] and then your command is going to get better.

[01:21:39] Last thing for me, Ryan, and we'll end here

[01:21:41] on a fun note.

[01:21:42] If we were to get you on a mini mic to do an interview,

[01:21:46] what subject do you want to do?

[01:21:47] What should we do?

[01:21:48] Should we rank something?

[01:21:49] Do you want to do a story time?

[01:21:51] What do you think would be best?

[01:21:53] If I say what I want to do,

[01:21:54] then you're going to make me do this, right?

[01:21:56] Like in Seattle.

[01:21:58] We'll try.

[01:21:59] We'll lobby it.

[01:21:59] We'll lobby you to do it.

[01:22:00] And I'll just run away really fast,

[01:22:02] like Tucker if you don't have a treat.

[01:22:05] Yeah, I mean,

[01:22:08] if you want to talk about music or dogs or whatever,

[01:22:11] I mean, I'd be down for that.

[01:22:13] You know, I don't know.

[01:22:14] No, I mean, talk about my five favorite Twitter followers.

[01:22:18] I don't know.

[01:22:19] It's like, I'm going to be one.

[01:22:20] Yeah, that would be a good one.

[01:22:22] I think we've established that I'm able to kind of just sit here

[01:22:25] and yeah, especially if you give me two coffees and a Celsius.

[01:22:29] Well, you want to you want to dive in on Drake versus Kendrick?

[01:22:32] I'm sure you've got a lot of a lot to say about that.

[01:22:35] Yeah.

[01:22:35] So like people know I love like kind of that Texas country music and stuff.

[01:22:39] But I like when I work out, I listen to hip hop.

[01:22:42] But this is kind of my hot take.

[01:22:45] I don't think any good hip hop has been recorded after 2002, maybe

[01:22:49] ever since the last chronic album.

[01:22:50] I don't think any good hip hop has been recorded.

[01:22:52] So, you know, when I my girlfriend's son, he always gets mad.

[01:22:56] Like when we're working out in the cages on the off season or lifting

[01:23:00] or whatever, he's like, you know, there is other rap besides Tupac.

[01:23:04] And I say, yeah, there's Biggie and there's Dre Snoop.

[01:23:08] He's like, you know, there's new rap being made.

[01:23:09] I'm like, no, it's not.

[01:23:11] No, no, there's no hip hop being made.

[01:23:13] So I stick that's my kind of hot take about that as music is like, I don't like

[01:23:18] you know, Kendrick's one album was OK, but I don't like Drake.

[01:23:21] I think it's out.

[01:23:22] So I don't know about your beef.

[01:23:24] I mean, anybody who has a favorite team and Drake, where is their jersey

[01:23:28] because he has no allegiance to anything?

[01:23:30] That's what you should be about.

[01:23:33] There you go.

[01:23:35] Well, we need to Drake, the Mariners haven't made the XC.

[01:23:38] He hasn't worn an M's jersey yet.

[01:23:40] I don't know if he ever will.

[01:23:41] But if we get to that point, I hope you're still there covering it

[01:23:44] because I think your opinion is the one we need the most on that.

[01:23:47] Brian, this has been great.

[01:23:49] Appreciate it as always.

[01:23:50] And eventually we will get you on camera.

[01:23:53] So we're going to try.

[01:23:54] Thanks again for taking some time to join us.

[01:23:56] Yeah. Well, we and you know what?

[01:23:59] The day you do all wear some shorts like liars

[01:24:01] and then we can discuss short length.

[01:24:04] Hey, it's going to be warm this weekend.

[01:24:06] So the legs will be out.

[01:24:08] Oh, God, just too much leg.

[01:24:13] Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, Ryan.

[01:24:14] See you guys.

[01:24:17] Well, thanks again to Ryan Davis for coming on.

[01:24:19] We always always have a blast talking to him.

[01:24:21] Hopefully you guys got to hear some of his funny stories

[01:24:24] and learn a little bit more about the team as well.

[01:24:25] I think he always does a phenomenal job of providing people with both.

[01:24:29] So with that, that'll just about wrap up this edition

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