Episode 130: Casey Sadler (Former Mariner), Measuring The Offense Against Elite Pitching, And Building Our Best Lineup Now That J.P. Crawford Is Back

[00:00:00] Welcome to episode number 130 of the Marine Layer Podcast. We welcome on former Mariners pitcher

[00:00:05] Casey Sadler. We chat about his rehab back from injury, his new podcast and some of his favorite

[00:00:11] memories from that really fun 2021 season he spent with the Mariners. We have our two Mariners

[00:00:16] storylines. We'll answer the question, has this offense done enough against the elite arms they've

[00:00:21] faced so far this season? And we'll build the lineup now that JP Crawford is back and good to go.

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[00:01:05] And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast

[00:01:10] Network. Recording post game here on Monday, May 20th. As you might have heard, the Mariners

[00:01:16] had a pretty cool comeback in game one against the Yankees tonight, but not the biggest story

[00:01:21] of that game, Lyle. Somehow, some way after the Mariners come back down in that game to

[00:01:27] win five to four, Aaron Rodgers ends up in the Mariners clubhouse post game.

[00:01:32] What?

[00:01:35] So I have two reactions to that. Number one, that was not on my bingo card this year and

[00:01:41] I know it wasn't on yours either. No, no. And number two, here's a little message to

[00:01:48] everybody in the Mariners clubhouse tonight. Cover your ears, please. Thank you.

[00:01:54] Of all of the people I imagined spending part of a post game skirmish

[00:02:02] discussion, whatever in the Mariners clubhouse this season of all of the people,

[00:02:06] I think Pitbull had a better chance of ending up in the Mariners clubhouse after the game.

[00:02:10] So him and Davis could have chopped it up a little bit. I would put Pitbull over Aaron Rodgers.

[00:02:16] Which song is Pitbull blasting in front of Divish to really get his gears going?

[00:02:21] Like don't stop the party. Sure. When like that. Sure.

[00:02:26] Yeah, sure. So like he's there, I think, because Scott Service, you know, big Packer fan

[00:02:34] and Rodgers was already in the stadium as an invite from Marcus Stroman.

[00:02:41] I'm assuming Aaron knew that Scott was a big Packer fan and made his way down there.

[00:02:47] I don't know. Like maybe maybe he's a low key like Luis Arias fan.

[00:02:52] Maybe Carson Vitale is a Packer fan, too. There's other guys on that staff that are.

[00:02:57] OK, so well, so who do you think is his favorite man?

[00:03:02] Is this favorite Mariner Luis? What do we think?

[00:03:05] Did those two we think? Do we do we think they knew each other at all?

[00:03:09] No, there might have been a tiny bit of crossover. I was kind of joking like,

[00:03:13] well, Brewer Packer. Yeah, I'm that's the only connection I can think of.

[00:03:21] I didn't even know him and Marcus Drummond were friends. I guess they are.

[00:03:26] Interesting. I don't I don't know how we wound up in that Mariners clubhouse.

[00:03:30] Yeah, maybe Scott had somebody send a message that to Aaron saying, hey,

[00:03:37] we'd love to have you stop by after the game. And he did. I don't I don't know.

[00:03:41] Maybe Aaron already knew. I have no idea how we wound up in that clubhouse.

[00:03:45] The big question I want to know was Scott Service more of a Brett Favre guy or an

[00:03:49] Aaron Rodgers guy, because given Scott's age, wouldn't you think he'd be more of a Brett Favre guy?

[00:03:55] But you don't stop being a Packer fan.

[00:03:58] Scott Service watched Scott Service watch Aaron Rodgers win him a Super Bowl.

[00:04:02] That's true. It's true. Yeah. I mean, you take it all.

[00:04:05] I don't know where Brett's doing. I don't think Brett would attend a Yankee

[00:04:07] Mariner game at the stadium. So probably not.

[00:04:12] No. In in 20 years, if whoever

[00:04:15] the Seahawks quarterback is then wins him a Super Bowl and somebody asks us,

[00:04:20] were we more Russell Wilson guys or whoever the new quarterback is?

[00:04:23] What are we going to say? Honestly, my answer will probably be the new guy.

[00:04:26] Probably. Probably. Yeah, that's good. Just just really weird, man.

[00:04:32] Really. It pops up on my Twitter feed. I'm like, there is no way out of every major league

[00:04:38] baseball game this man could have attended. He chose this one.

[00:04:43] Yeah, to watch the Seattle Mariners take down the Yankees, which man, crazy comeback.

[00:04:49] And as you tweeted tonight, shout out to Andres Munoz.

[00:04:53] There is no human being on Earth who can hit the pitch that he threw to strike out Aaron

[00:04:58] Judge. That is 101 pure paint could not have been spotted up any better. Unreal.

[00:05:05] 101 backdoor sinker that moved starts off the plate and cuts back in and barely, I mean,

[00:05:13] by a seam catches the outside corner to strike out one of the greatest hitters of this

[00:05:17] generation. I mean, truly an unbelievable pitch. I'll say it was nervous.

[00:05:22] It's a little bit of a nerve wracking ninth inning, especially after you see one of

[00:05:25] the other great hitters of this generation, the batter before Munoz makes a pretty similar

[00:05:29] pitch to Soto. This time it was a 99 mile an hour sinker off the plate to Soto, a left hand

[00:05:35] hitter and Soto effortlessly just goes flicks in and left field just effortlessly.

[00:05:41] Effortlessly. But a judge couldn't do that. Man, he threw a nasty slider to Volpi too.

[00:05:47] It was really unbelievable, man. Like Andres, the pressure that's on Andres Munoz

[00:05:50] nowadays with the state of the rest of the bullpen can't like, it really cannot be

[00:05:56] understated how much pressure is on this dude day in and day out, especially when he's

[00:06:00] when he's on the mound. He's got to, he has to close because there is no one behind him.

[00:06:05] Not really not not to what the Mariners are asking of him in that bullpen.

[00:06:11] I know there's not many relievers each year that make the all-star game. And sometimes

[00:06:14] those reliever nods are given to teams that don't have anybody else that's worthy

[00:06:18] of being in the all-star game. But man, I'll tell you Andres Munoz has a real case

[00:06:24] for it right now. And I know there's guys in the American League that are just dominating

[00:06:27] right now. I'm sure Mason Miller is going to be an all-star at this rate. Clay Holmes,

[00:06:31] aside from tonight, is probably an all-star at this rate. But I hope Munoz gets some real

[00:06:35] consideration because like you said, he is so, so valued right now on this team.

[00:06:41] And he's just been flat out dominant since that Brewers outing dude's been borderline

[00:06:45] untouchable. He might be the most valuable reliever in baseball right now. Just based on

[00:06:52] everything around him. Most valuable. Right. He might not be the single best one again,

[00:06:59] probably Mason Miller right now. But when you to your point, when you factor in how important

[00:07:05] he is to the bullpen right now, there's a real argument for that. Like if you take Andres

[00:07:11] Munoz out of this bullpen, what does it look like? I don't want to think about that.

[00:07:16] I really don't. Seriously, like think about the other important steps of this game.

[00:07:20] It felt like the Mariners in this game won not through in the towel, but I mean,

[00:07:25] Kirby Snead was pitching against the top of the lineup down two runs in the seventh inning.

[00:07:31] Right. Right. Like that it just like, it kind of gives you the feeling that

[00:07:37] like probably isn't it? It probably is. It probably you're probably not expecting to get

[00:07:42] to Munoz at that point if that's the move you make right moment like that. Seeing how

[00:07:48] decimated the Mariners bullpen is just it just puts it into just so much more perspective. Just

[00:07:53] how a how incredible the comeback is shadowed the offense for looking just awful, just terrible

[00:07:59] all night. But against the one of the best closers in the American League this year who

[00:08:03] had not given up an earned run, they put up a four spot and win sometimes that happens.

[00:08:07] That's baseball. You put together a few good at bats against the best stuff you've seen all

[00:08:11] night and score four runs. Why not? It's a little fluky. I wouldn't rely on that all the time.

[00:08:20] Just how the Mariners got to Yannir Cano on Saturday, they get to Clay Holmes on Monday.

[00:08:24] I wouldn't exactly rely on that strategy trying to square up some of the best relievers in

[00:08:28] baseball because it doesn't work all that often, but they'll take the two wins they got from

[00:08:33] it. Let's get into our Mariners storylines because I think the the issue of not scoring

[00:08:39] runs earlier in the game relates to what our first storyline is about.

[00:08:42] And I propose a question to you based on we saw a really good pitching performance

[00:08:47] for Marcus Stroman tonight. He went seven plus and allowed just the solo home run to

[00:08:51] Dominic Hanzo. I don't know if I would put Marcus Stroman in this caliber of arm, but

[00:08:56] the question is on this first storyline Lyle has this lineup done enough against quote unquote

[00:09:02] elite arms so far this season? So I know everybody's initial reaction to this is going

[00:09:08] to be no, because the storyline around the team has been the offense through the first

[00:09:13] almost two months of the season and the lack of production that's come with it at times.

[00:09:18] But we detailed this all out preparing for this show and you really went into depth of that.

[00:09:24] You really went in depth to it a little bit about what they've done against each specific

[00:09:30] arm that you could qualify as an elite arm and what they've done. I think the issue

[00:09:34] around the offense is more about what they have or have not done against some of the

[00:09:40] next tier of arms, the middle tier arms, the mid to bottom tier arms that they haven't

[00:09:44] capitalized enough against. Against the actual elite arms that they've seen,

[00:09:50] it's about the rate that you would expect from any team.

[00:09:53] I think they've done a serviceable serviceable job against elite arms. What

[00:09:58] spurred this idea that the Mariners looked uncompetitive against Corbin Burns on Sunday?

[00:10:03] It was a total mismatch. He chewed them up and spit them out for the Orioles,

[00:10:08] and that's what an ace does. He goes in, he uses his elite stuff,

[00:10:11] and he dominates the Mariners lineup. That's exactly what he did. Six innings,

[00:10:16] one earned run, 11 strikeouts. That's what an ace does. But if you map up all the other guys

[00:10:23] that the Mariners, the top tier guys that the Mariners have faced this year,

[00:10:27] it's really not as bad as you would think. So Corbin, again, six innings, 11 strikeouts,

[00:10:33] one walk, one earned run. Brady Singer, five innings, nine hits, four earned. Brady's been

[00:10:40] awesome this year. Mariners got to him. Mariners ended up winning that game.

[00:10:43] Against Pablo Lopez of the Twins, six and a third, 10 strikeouts, one earned run. Lost.

[00:10:50] Framber Valdez, they got to him. Five and a third innings, nine hits, five earned,

[00:10:54] just three strikeouts. Mariners won that game. Struggled against Chris Sale, five innings,

[00:11:01] nine strikeouts, just one earned. Struggled against Max Fried, six innings, no hits,

[00:11:05] seven strikeouts. Mariners came back and won because of Mitch Garver's walk-off home run.

[00:11:09] They got to Zach Galin, just five innings, three earned, three strikeouts. Again,

[00:11:14] the Mariners won. Shota Imanaga, they gave to him at that point. His worst start of the

[00:11:20] season, five and a third, five hits, one run, unearned, four strikeouts. Mariners ended up

[00:11:26] losing that game. They got to Freddie Peralta, five and two thirds, four hits, three earned,

[00:11:30] seven strikeouts. In the game they lost, but they did their job knocking the starter out.

[00:11:35] And then Shane Bieber had six shutout innings against them. Cutter Crawford had six innings

[00:11:40] and didn't allow an earned run. Those are all of the top tier arms that I qualify the

[00:11:46] Mariners have faced this season. And if you do the math on that, that is four times out of 11

[00:11:53] elite arms they've faced this season that they have knocked the starter out and given themselves

[00:11:59] a chance to win the game. And that's all you can ask for against an elite starting pitcher.

[00:12:04] That's a little bit under 50%. That rate right there. If you say, okay, 45-ish percent

[00:12:11] of the time you can knock an elite arm off the mound and give yourself a chance to win the game,

[00:12:16] you're taking that every single time. And that's what this lineup has done so far.

[00:12:21] It's been a little more than a third that they've gotten to these elite starters.

[00:12:24] How many other teams are just knocking around elite starters consistently?

[00:12:29] I don't think there is many. There's a reason these guys are called elite

[00:12:32] because they do not get hit around very often. Now if the Mariners had had one good outing

[00:12:38] against all these arms in 11 tries, we'd be having a different conversation.

[00:12:42] But it hasn't been one good outing. They've had about four in 11 tries. And again,

[00:12:47] they've hit some good arms before they hit Brady Singer, Framber Valdez, Zack Allen,

[00:12:52] Freddie Peralta. Those are some really good arms. And the Mariners got to them.

[00:12:57] They didn't get to everybody, but they got to a few of these elite arms. Again, I think the

[00:13:02] issue here is now look at what they've done against some of the three and four starters in

[00:13:06] some rotations when they're expected to be a lot better and they haven't capitalized.

[00:13:10] That's more where the talking points lie and should lie. I don't think what they have or have

[00:13:16] not done against elite starters is the reason the offense isn't where everybody wants it to

[00:13:21] be at right now. And the next year of starters can be anywhere from a good starter

[00:13:27] to like you said, like a middle tier, middle tier or then just bottom starter.

[00:13:31] Marcus Stroman who pitched on Monday, we throw in the good bucket. He's good. Grayson Rodriguez

[00:13:37] who pitched on Saturday before Corbin Burns, we put in the good bucket. Mariners did okay

[00:13:43] against him, but largely he had success against the Mariners lineup. But some of the other

[00:13:48] times I think of this year Lyle, Semyon Woods Richardson dominated the Mariners,

[00:13:53] just crushed them. Nick Pivetta, before he got hurt, pitched really well against the

[00:13:58] Mariners in the first series of the season. Chris Paddock, it's been an okay big leaguer,

[00:14:03] dominated the Mariners. Slade Kachoni? I'm gonna have to do this for Yaroni.

[00:14:10] Sakoni. Okay. The Diamondbacks? Yeah, remember him? He was shoving.

[00:14:16] Yeah, you say? I'll throw in another and I think I have to eat some crow here

[00:14:20] because when the Mariners did absolutely nothing against Javier Asad for the Cubs,

[00:14:24] I said this dude looks like he should essentially be, I don't know, working at an Apple store or

[00:14:29] something like that. I was basically like, he's short, he's stocky, he doesn't look like an

[00:14:32] athlete at all. The Mariners should light him up. No, Javier Asad's actually been really good.

[00:14:38] Like ever since that start, it's kind of taken off for him and he had a good year last

[00:14:43] year but he was mostly out of the bullpen. It's taken off for him since then. And the

[00:14:47] Mariners again, there's another good starter, maybe not ace, that the Mariners didn't do

[00:14:52] enough against. Jose Barrios too. Yeah. So all those guys the Mariners faced and were largely

[00:14:59] uncompetitive against while they were in the game. So like that's ultimately where the problem

[00:15:06] lies and most people I think would agree with us on that. Like it's facing the next tier down.

[00:15:10] The Mariners do a good enough job, you know, 36% I think is what the rate they give themselves

[00:15:16] a chance to win against an ace and that's good enough. It can't also be 36% on the tier

[00:15:21] below. It's got to be higher than that because otherwise then you'll have more performances like

[00:15:26] you had on Monday against Marcus Strohman with a lineup. Again, Strohman largely didn't give

[00:15:30] themselves a chance to win the game. It was only later in the game against Clay Holmes

[00:15:35] in stringing together one good inning where they gave themselves an opportunity to win.

[00:15:40] Sometimes that's all you need but it's not quite as sustainable as

[00:15:45] second time through the lineup against a middling starter. You know,

[00:15:49] hey we can get a runner two here. We can get his pitch count up and we can get him out of the game.

[00:15:53] We can get some of the bad relievers out there and we can give ourselves a fantastic

[00:15:58] chance to win. And you know, there's a reason the Mariners haven't done that yet this year.

[00:16:04] So we put out a clip on Monday from our interview with Ryan Divish and it was good

[00:16:08] to sort of go in and rehash what Ryan was saying. And you know he's essentially saying

[00:16:13] like the strikeouts aside, the Mariners offensive model right now is not really sustainable.

[00:16:20] They score too many runs on home runs and it will probably have to come from outside edition.

[00:16:24] And that the unsustainability and the inconsistency of the offense

[00:16:28] is the main reason why they can't consistently beat even these middling starters. So if you

[00:16:33] haven't seen that clip go check it out because you know Ryan as always makes excellent points

[00:16:38] when analyzing this baseball team and it's going to be up to you know them in the future

[00:16:44] to win the crucial games against guys they should be beating.

[00:16:48] Right. Hopefully they start to get to some of these starters that they're supposed to take

[00:16:53] advantage of more and part of that's going to be the three guys in the offense that everybody

[00:16:57] expects to be the driving forces being exactly that. Lulio is not at full stride, Mitch

[00:17:01] Garver is not at full stride, Jorge Polanco is not at full stride. I would think those

[00:17:06] three playing up to the level that everybody expects them to would change a lot for this

[00:17:10] offense but we're not going to know until we see it. Right yeah exactly and ultimately

[00:17:16] the reason why this is so important is because when you reach the playoffs

[00:17:20] and you want to win in the playoffs those are the kind of guys you're going to be facing

[00:17:23] every single day.

[00:17:27] Hey shout out Marcus Stroman though he's the first mariner or first

[00:17:30] started to go seven innings against the Mariners this year.

[00:17:32] Oh yeah.

[00:17:35] I'm glad we can put that stat to rest.

[00:17:37] I am too.

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[00:18:23] Storyline number two JP Crawford's back that's great everybody's happy to see that

[00:18:29] with the return of JP who actually did have a couple of bats on Monday he came in the game late

[00:18:34] he didn't start but this is going to cause Scott's service to make some decisions with

[00:18:40] the lineup what do we think that lineup is going to look like we are not Scott's service

[00:18:45] however the two of us Lyle and TJ decided how would we construct this lineup so we're going

[00:18:50] to sit here and do exactly that. I had two guesses one with Julio staying in his normal

[00:18:57] spot and one with Julio getting moved down potentially that's what I have and it's you

[00:19:03] did the same thing okay well it's kind of dependent on if it's a righty or lefty on the

[00:19:07] mound right so I'm going to say I'm going to I'm going to err on the side of him not

[00:19:11] getting sent down and so the first lineup I built I'm putting JP Crawford back at the

[00:19:15] lead-off spot Josh Rojas by the way two for his last 26 so then excuse to put a little

[00:19:22] pressure take a little pressure off of him would move him down in the lineup so JP leads

[00:19:28] off Julio bats second Cal bats third Mitch Garver bats fourth Luke Railey bats fifth

[00:19:33] Josh Rojas bats sixth Jorge Polanco assuming he's healthy bats seventh Dom Kenzone bats eighth

[00:19:40] and Ty France bats ninth Lyle because no one else no one else really looks like a nine

[00:19:45] hitter and Rojas is hitting too good overall still to drop him back down to the nine spot

[00:19:52] so Scott honestly might move swap put Rojas at nine and shift everyone else up one but

[00:19:58] I'm going to leave it at that for now. This sounds closer to what a left-handed lineup would

[00:20:05] look or a lineup would look like with a left-handed pitcher on the mound I know you

[00:20:08] still had Rojas in this lineup but that's the lineup I'll read first in terms of the

[00:20:11] two I wrote out I had JP Julio Polanco Cal Garver Panager Kenzone assuming Kenzone and Railey

[00:20:19] between those two would be the guy to hit lefties Kenzone Ty France eight Luis Urias nine so okay

[00:20:25] Rojas isn't in this lineup but the one that I expect to get potentially rolled out a little

[00:20:29] bit more is the one I got to next. Well the other one I have is a Julio being moved down

[00:20:36] in the lineup which I have is up to everyone's discretion on when that's when or if that happens

[00:20:43] this season so this other one I have which is there would be a righty on the mound JP leads off

[00:20:49] Josh Rojas Rojas bat second Calbats third Mitch Garver bats clean up Railey fifth Julio sixth

[00:20:57] Polo seventh Ty eighth Dom Kenzo ninth. Oh you actually moved Julio way down in the lineup

[00:21:05] oh I was serious okay I moved him down but here's what mine looks like it's not you can

[00:21:12] put JP or Rojas wherever you want between these two I put Rojas at one just because he's been

[00:21:16] the hotter bat this year but the order I have against righties would go Rojas JP Julio third

[00:21:23] so not that different Cal four Polo five Garver six Railey seven Ty eight Kenzone nine

[00:21:30] hmm you know Julio might not actually get moved down that far but I see enough talk about it so

[00:21:37] I thought I thought it at least needed to be thrown in there but overall I think the you

[00:21:41] and I come back to the same conclusion that JP is your leadoff hitter. I had Rojas as the

[00:21:47] leadoff guy in this lineup but again it's very adjustable if I see JP Crawford hitting

[00:21:53] lead off going forward I'd say yeah sure makes sense yeah he can be the leadoff hitter

[00:21:57] he probably will be the leadoff hitter yeah I I would just say I would say it makes more sense

[00:22:04] right now for for JP to to lead off and it's the saying that these things usually work

[00:22:10] themselves out like we're sitting here thinking who's gonna lead off when JP comes back Rojas has

[00:22:16] been so good and then Rojas goes on a really cold streak and that kind of kind of answers

[00:22:20] your question like maybe Scott Service just thinks like okay like Rojas has been good

[00:22:24] it's been really fun but I like the idea and it benefits the lineup more to put Rojas back in

[00:22:30] the nine hole and put JP at leadoff to hit it in front of Julio essentially two guys sitting

[00:22:36] in front of Julio. It's possible although this two for 26 thing for Rojas of course that was

[00:22:43] gonna happen at some point did anybody expect Josh Rojas to hit 350 all year that's not fair

[00:22:49] no it's not it's not fair at some point there was Scott but Scott overall might just like that

[00:22:55] lineup construction better and think that gives him an opportunity to score more runs

[00:23:00] yeah it's possible because if you have a really good nine hitter it's like having a second

[00:23:03] leadoff hitter although I don't think it's some slap in the face to Julio if you ask

[00:23:07] him to hit third and Rojas and JP are one two I also don't think that's a problem the

[00:23:12] only difference is we know Scott doesn't like to stack two lefties in a row if he if he can

[00:23:17] help it yeah so that could that could create some maneuvering for sure and yeah in the lineup I

[00:23:25] have here Kanzone hits nine so if Scott doesn't like a pocket of three straight lefties especially

[00:23:30] late in games for relievers then maybe they wouldn't do that right and if you would say

[00:23:36] all right you want to split them up but you wouldn't hit Rojas third and you wouldn't hit

[00:23:39] JP third either like maybe last year's version of JP could technically hit third but we haven't

[00:23:45] seen that version of JP yet and we'd like to get him in the leadoff spot to sort of get to that

[00:23:50] point right and you wouldn't at this you wouldn't go JP Julio Rojas or Rojas Julio JP like so

[00:23:58] you know we'll have to see I'm guessing on Tuesday JP Crawford will be in the lineup

[00:24:04] that he played tonight and played on Monday and he was activated so we'll see see what

[00:24:09] Scott's service rolls out there but I ultimately think the Mariners are best when they put JP

[00:24:13] in the leadoff spot where Rojas hits I'll trust Scott's service to that if they want to hit him

[00:24:19] second okay they want to drop him down to maybe fifth okay that works fine as well

[00:24:25] or if they feel like he's better suited back in the nine hole and they hit him in front of

[00:24:28] JP Crawford to walk and get get on in front of JP who heats it heats up and knocks him

[00:24:33] in and then Julio hopefully eventually starts elevating the ball a little bit more and drives

[00:24:38] in both those guys as well and ultimately would lead to a significantly more productive

[00:24:42] Mariners lineup Josh Rojas hitting nines worked seamlessly ever since he got traded over here

[00:24:48] last year when he got traded here and they put him in the nine spot remember how good his august

[00:24:51] was worked perfectly flipped it right back to JP Crawford so if you have this version of

[00:24:56] Josh Rojas and JP starts to get going yeah I've got no issues or quarrels with that at all to

[00:25:02] hit Rojas in nine I was just thinking if you want to try and get him more bets you hit

[00:25:06] him higher in the order but if it's that important to Scott to make sure he's not stacking

[00:25:10] lefty after lefty after lefty then maybe it makes more sense to hit Rojas nine and that's fine

[00:25:15] whatever whatever they think is going to help win them games the problem is right now so

[00:25:20] your two corner your two best corner outfielders are both lefties and then your two

[00:25:26] the two infielders you want to be the best hitting two are both left-handed

[00:25:30] and they both have similar similar-ish offensive profiles profiles JP has a little

[00:25:36] bit more power but both him and Rojas walk quite a bit and then like so you got to be

[00:25:43] able you just need to be able to find a way to break up Dom Luke and then Rojas and JP

[00:25:50] because they won't they won't all hit near each other it's probably why again in the

[00:25:54] lineup I threw out here Rayleigh hits seventh Ty hits eighth Kanzone hits would you want

[00:25:59] to hit Rayleigh seventh for as well as he's been hitting you could move him up you get him

[00:26:04] six that's fine too it doesn't like that like the the semantics there are just it's not that big

[00:26:10] of a difference also if a lefty's on the mound this is not what the lineup is going to look

[00:26:15] like either now the Mariners will see more righties than lefties but again with a lefty

[00:26:18] on the mound Hanegger will be in there Urias will be in there it's going to look different

[00:26:22] right so hey and who would have thought roster versatility is back I missed it

[00:26:29] you love to see it they are getting pretty close to being fully healthy offensively here

[00:26:33] JP Crawford as of Monday night played in the game activated off the IL he's back

[00:26:38] Jorge Blanco has not gone on the IL and they said here on Monday he was available off the bench

[00:26:42] so I would assume either Tuesday or Wednesday he's going to be in the lineup

[00:26:48] and once he's back that's that's your offense yeah and you yeah you're right you'd be fully

[00:26:53] healthy it is telling that they haven't put him on the IL so far and it's good because

[00:26:57] he got to take his trip to New York and eat pizza so where do you think he went

[00:27:02] Jorge Blanco is a pizza guy if you if you checked out our social clip here on Monday morning

[00:27:07] you know that yeah my hope is he went to Joe's Pizza because that is New York's best yeah

[00:27:13] that would be good helps heal it helps heal say that much maybe we'll have to ask Polo the

[00:27:18] next time we we ask or talk to him or see him just because I'm sure like we were talking

[00:27:24] about this over text the other day but you said I'm sure he's got some spot in New York

[00:27:28] he likes for pizza he's such a big pizza guy but where that is we don't know because New York

[00:27:33] has a million good pizza spots I'm sure most of these guys would because everyone every

[00:27:38] American League team will take a trip there a year so they have to like have an idea and it

[00:27:43] look at on the calendar like four days three eight three days essentially and then you

[00:27:48] you'll leave on the on Thursday after you play the game but a lot of opportunity there

[00:27:53] yeah yeah there is so if Jorge really is a pizza connoisseur I'm sure he carves out some time to

[00:27:59] at least get a slice during the trip so where that is we'll have to find out and you and I

[00:28:04] could rattle off New York pizza places forever but just to name the one I hope he went to Joe's

[00:28:10] Pizza let's just hope it wasn't Sabaro what what person goes to New York and actually

[00:28:18] like get Sabaro pizza you know it's funny you know Sabaro used to have that huge shop in Times Square

[00:28:25] yeah they like there's a huge Sabaro in Times Square at least it was there was and I think

[00:28:30] well I was still is one there there's one near there well no I was gonna say well I was there

[00:28:34] this winter I think it's gone which makes a lot of sense because again what person like

[00:28:40] you're in New York you have a chance to get pizza and you walk into Sabaro there's like

[00:28:45] there are a lot of tourists who but I don't see the big sign okay but I don't care if you're

[00:28:52] living there or visiting there there is no person who possibly in their right mind says

[00:28:56] of all the New York pizza places we're going to Sabaro I guarantee you there are international

[00:29:01] tourists who go to Sabaro and then there might just be people who like Sabaro like

[00:29:06] unfortunately like it's like why would you ever go to another burger place why would you

[00:29:10] go to McDonald's if you go to all these other burger places and yet so many people still go

[00:29:14] to McDonald's I don't know if that's the same thing yeah I think I think it's I think it's

[00:29:20] pretty close and again I think there's a there would be a lot of tourism who people who are a

[00:29:24] lot of international tourists who would think that that is a that is New York Slicing credit

[00:29:28] to them like if that's the New York slice they want to get you know all power to them

[00:29:32] it's like if I were to go to Europe and I went to an ultimate like tourist pastry shop

[00:29:36] or something and those people look oh what an idiot why would he ever go there

[00:29:41] again McDonald's is so much bigger than Sabaro is so I don't know if that's the perfect

[00:29:47] comparison again like there's a joke pizza in Times Square there's other pizza places

[00:29:52] there's a reason that there's a reason that's a bar closed that's all I'm gonna say

[00:29:56] I will I would say probably doesn't drive the traffic as the other places does but

[00:30:00] as long as they're open that means someone's eating there right exactly well if we find out

[00:30:06] where Jorge Polanco gets pizza in New York we can report back here yeah we'll try we'll

[00:30:10] try and figure out hopefully no one else ate Sabaro let's hope yeah I'll do we'll do some

[00:30:15] investigating it was good having Casey Sadler on Lyle good like he had such an awesome year

[00:30:22] in 2021 I think like he was a big part of what ushered in like a this era of bullpen

[00:30:29] bullpen pitching of Mariners baseball he was a part of the Stechenreiter Seawald bucket

[00:30:36] right Scott likes to say this is Stechenreiter bucket but he was part of the original big three

[00:30:40] Sadler Stechenreiter and Seawald in 2021 what a fun bullpen that was Casey was a huge part of it

[00:30:48] and a huge part of like launching this roster into eventual playoff contention

[00:30:53] in 2022 and into the playoffs in 2022 just is so cool getting his perspective on all these

[00:30:58] things he's had quite the journey since that 2021 season he's been injured he's working his

[00:31:04] way back and hopefully here soon he'll he'll get a tryout while he explores some other hobbies

[00:31:10] yeah he's he's certainly working his way back we get into that during the interview he's

[00:31:14] certainly still motivated to keep playing if you've seen him on twitter he certainly

[00:31:19] still has plenty of love for the city of Seattle in the Pacific Northwest is there a

[00:31:22] chance he could end back up as a Mariner I certainly wouldn't rule it out again you can

[00:31:26] listen to the interview see what he has to say about it but such an awesome dude down to earth

[00:31:31] genuine you can tell he really cares about people about the game and he's such an easy

[00:31:38] guy to root for we are certainly rooting for Casey Sadler going forward and I'm sure plenty

[00:31:43] you guys are fans of him already but after this conversation I'm guessing it'll only level

[00:31:47] up and hey as you all know Maris could use some bullpen help so we won't keep you any

[00:31:53] longer though let's get you to our interview with Casey Sadler all right we've got former

[00:32:00] Mariners reliever Casey Sadler on with us now host of the dirt on the diamond podcast

[00:32:06] and we're really really excited to have him on so thanks for hopping on Casey

[00:32:10] what drove you to start a podcast all of a sudden there's so many people out there these

[00:32:13] days with a podcast that's kind of the saying these days right everybody has a podcast

[00:32:17] you've got a really unique angle on yours so what drove you to do this um downtime to be

[00:32:22] honest with you you know like just with the way my offseason has gone and and it necessarily

[00:32:28] didn't go as expected um you know but at that point it was like okay like what can we do to

[00:32:34] kind of pass the time to stay relevant in the baseball world to also tell our journey and

[00:32:41] our story it's been a really kind of unique one and also be able to bring in other players

[00:32:48] you know coaches agents like whoever can kind of tell what happens behind the scenes

[00:32:54] you know and you know share some funny stories along the way and and just enjoy staying

[00:33:03] in kind of that baseball world i guess um and so yeah we just kind of started

[00:33:10] spitballing ideas and how do we want to go about this and and um it just kind of grew from

[00:33:15] there you know it was a little awkward at first i think the first few episodes have

[00:33:20] you know been a little awkward for us to try to figure out kind of our rhythm and

[00:33:23] and but i feel like we're we're doing really good um and it's it's a lot of fun so like

[00:33:30] what's sort of if you're if you're looking into the future say like a few months from now

[00:33:35] or six months from now how does it evolve because i know you guys focus a lot on

[00:33:38] storytelling now it's just had a lot of rizzo on and sort of venturing into the into the

[00:33:43] interview space of the podcast so how do you see the content taking shape as it goes forward

[00:33:49] um it just kind of is fluid i guess you know if it is going to center more so around of like

[00:33:59] like i said the journey of what it's like to be a minor league or what it's like to

[00:34:02] be a professional baseball player off of the field and how that is integrated into how you

[00:34:09] perform and what you're able to do on the field and just this whole life of

[00:34:14] what it's like from the beginning to wherever you end up you know so

[00:34:21] i just see it kind of being fluid you know if there's something that comes up that we find is

[00:34:25] interesting or if there's a memory that's jogged in in us that you know we feel like other

[00:34:31] people might be interested in and and then it's just finding people to come on and talk and

[00:34:37] just share their stories you know give people a platform to you know kind of dialogue back

[00:34:42] and forth with us you know tell their journey because everybody's journey is different you know

[00:34:47] and the reporters out there and the journalists and stuff they try to tell

[00:34:53] the story as good as they can but like sometimes the person to tell it best is that

[00:34:58] person or their family or whatever and so that's kind of the premise of it and um

[00:35:04] just hope that it grows and hope that it turns into something that people can enjoy and

[00:35:08] we'll hop on board with and just kind of see a different side of baseball

[00:35:13] where do you where did you draw inspiration from my wife she's uh she's pretty much

[00:35:22] the driving force behind this you know i've always been on board and it's like i said

[00:35:28] it's been something we've talked about but she's really been the one that's been like look

[00:35:33] our story is unique our journey is unique you know it's been 15 years now you know coming from

[00:35:40] a small town in oklahoma that nobody's ever heard of to being able to play on some of the

[00:35:47] biggest fields and with some of the biggest people and you know the biggest stages in

[00:35:51] in all of baseball and and so it was just like why not tell your story you know there

[00:35:58] i get asked all the time about like what's it like what is it you know what's travel like what's

[00:36:05] lower minor league travel like what is you know all these things that you know what do you do

[00:36:11] for your free time during the season when you're at the field for 12 13 hours a day you know

[00:36:16] so i think that's kind of what spurred it and then my wife just kind of took it and

[00:36:21] and she's super good at you know getting getting stuff flowing and and that's just kind of how it

[00:36:30] took off do you have a dream guest to have on the podcast at some point oh that's a good

[00:36:36] question um honestly like anybody that wants to come on we'll have you um it doesn't matter

[00:36:43] you know who you are where you've been or what um you know we've talked about having our agent

[00:36:49] come on we've talked about having past coaches um you know guys that i've played with that have

[00:36:56] been out of baseball for a while now that are you know kind of doing different things and

[00:37:02] and so like it just it is going to be what it is i guess you know hopefully there's other

[00:37:12] people that you know will reach out eventually and we've got some people listed that we want

[00:37:16] to reach out to that are just absolute characters that i think will put on a pretty good show but

[00:37:21] um i don't know i don't know where it's going to lead i don't know

[00:37:26] i have we're open to anybody to be honest with you anybody that wants to come on and talk some

[00:37:31] some funny stories and some baseball and we'll listen and give them the

[00:37:35] the platform and dialogue back and forth have you connected with trevor may at all i haven't

[00:37:42] well both you're both i guess now will you have this downtime casey both you know doing some

[00:37:49] sort of content online both big league relievers he's retired now but okay both sitting here and

[00:37:55] now like talking in a microphone that sounds like a fun combination of like throwing stories

[00:37:59] back and forth from each other yeah i'll have to reach out to him for sure um and he's also

[00:38:03] in the seattle area oh nice i'm still learning the guys that are in this area you know

[00:38:09] we've been here for a little while now but most everybody in the off season just kind of

[00:38:15] does their own thing because they're so busy during the summer that they just want to chill

[00:38:19] and you know so i'm learning a little bit about who's in the area and who's here

[00:38:24] and stuff like that so i'll definitely reach out to him and hopefully we'll try to get

[00:38:27] something up set up and maybe he can be our first guest so so here's an idea tell me if

[00:38:32] this is stupid you take a table you go to driveline you take a table and you plop it

[00:38:35] down you set up like three microphones and you set up a camera in there and then you're just

[00:38:40] like because there's going to be a bunch of guys that are going to cycle through there

[00:38:43] and it's like hey man open invitation whoever is going to sit down let's just let's just chop

[00:38:48] it up you know i think and i know driveline's pushing out videos and stuff they'd love yeah

[00:38:52] love that that that would be great um just because they do have such you know traffic

[00:38:58] in the off season i don't know i think for me that would might be a little awkward because

[00:39:03] i would feel like i would be infringing on guys's training time and just the the atmosphere of what

[00:39:12] that gym is you know that that's a place to go get better at baseball it's a place to come in

[00:39:17] and really focus on honing your craft and stuff like that and so if guys want to come

[00:39:22] in to driveline and then they're welcome to come in and do a set with us or we can do

[00:39:27] it over the phone or whatever we have the ability to do that too and um you know that

[00:39:32] that'd be great awesome you know so we'll explore those options once the baseball is over and then

[00:39:37] go from there i think people would be more open to it just because you're a big leaguer

[00:39:42] it's like you're not like a media type like us it's like oh who who are who are these guys

[00:39:46] it's like no like this is a big league reliever saying hey do you want to sit down

[00:39:50] and chat and that i feel like opens it up a little bit more yeah maybe um i don't know i

[00:39:57] i kind of hit on it and ran kind of hit on it too in the the last couple episodes we did with

[00:40:02] alana like there is a special place for journalism and for doing it that way um there is

[00:40:12] a need for that because it is kind of that third party perspective of like okay maybe there's

[00:40:17] different questions that a journalist or a media person might ask whereas if it's just two guys

[00:40:22] or two families going back and forth it's it might be a little different but i think they both

[00:40:29] carry weight um you know and things like this like being able to come on your guys's podcast

[00:40:35] and kind of tell our story and tell a little bit about what we're trying to do through the

[00:40:40] podcast is a bigger outreach than what we currently have right now so that's good for

[00:40:46] us and and we appreciate that and and i hope that the listeners that end up listening to this

[00:40:52] will come check us out and and uh follow us and give us some feedback you know we're always looking

[00:40:57] for feedback too is how do we get better what do you want to hear more of what do you want to

[00:41:01] ask is there any questions like we absolutely love when we get questions in our inbox because

[00:41:06] it's like oh i never really thought that somebody might want to know about this or

[00:41:11] you know something like that so it really does kind of drive our creative minds a little bit

[00:41:16] so um yeah that that's kind of where well i know mariners fans are still very interested in you and

[00:41:23] i'm sure people listening to this podcast are going to be interested to check out your podcast

[00:41:27] so if i could give them one little teaser by teeing you up for this question for the podcast

[00:41:31] i'll i'll go with this is there one aspect of the grind of being a baseball player like

[00:41:38] the ins and outs the day-to-days whether it's in the minors or the majors that people don't

[00:41:43] really know about i think people have a general idea of what it takes to be a big leaguer but

[00:41:46] is there something you feel like that's missing that people don't know about in terms of the

[00:41:51] everyday work that goes into being a ball player oh that's a good question i think it's different

[00:41:57] for every player because what might be a grind for someone else might be an integral part

[00:42:04] of what makes them who they are i know one thing that i've always not struggled with but has weighed

[00:42:13] pretty heavy on me is the time apart from your family and your kids and how much that weighs

[00:42:19] on some guys you know and so that was always the part for me is to make sure that when i'm

[00:42:27] at the field or when i'm away from home i'm not wasting that time because i'm not going

[00:42:32] to get that time back for with my family you know so it's like doing everything you can at the field

[00:42:39] and grinding through even the toughest times to make it worth not being around your kids or

[00:42:46] getting to spend time with your wife or girlfriend or whoever you know and so that

[00:42:51] i think that is lost i think people think of immediately like if a guy's you know maybe

[00:42:57] a guy's not performing at the level he should like oh maybe he should change up his routine or

[00:43:02] his trainings too much or this or that but like behind the scenes you don't know what's going on

[00:43:07] with that person outside of the baseball realm and so i think that's the part that might get

[00:43:12] lost i think that's really what we're trying to do with the podcast is to kind of humanize

[00:43:17] baseball players and say hey look we are real people we are not robots we don't just go to

[00:43:23] work show up and are really good at you know these things without sacrificing or without

[00:43:28] you know dealing with issues that people all over the world deal with all the time so i think

[00:43:36] that that might be a long-winded answer to your question but i think that that's what

[00:43:41] sticks out to me that that kind of gets missed sometimes i really like that answer casey

[00:43:45] that's very very well thought out and i guess gives a different perspective to all of the like

[00:43:52] even all the early hours of work that players do like the if you know player shows up to the

[00:43:58] ballpark at like 11 12 o'clock just to just to do that extra stuff just to consider what they're

[00:44:03] sacrificing on top of like just like you're getting you're you're getting better but you're

[00:44:08] also you are sacrificing more by not being in the other part of your life and that's where

[00:44:13] ultimately it comes about i do i do just want to give an opportunity where are you at progress

[00:44:20] wise of of getting back and being 100 um getting really close getting really close i'm scheduled

[00:44:26] throw another bullpen tomorrow so we're going to get some data on that see kind of where

[00:44:31] everything is everything feels good ready to go it's in to go compete again and get back

[00:44:38] on the field and do what i feel like i should be doing but that being said it's it's been

[00:44:47] nice to get to spend some time with family and to kick off this podcast you know we probably

[00:44:53] wouldn't have had time to do that if i wouldn't have had the off season that i've had and so

[00:44:58] it's it's been good but yeah we're getting real close i'm hoping you know within the

[00:45:03] next couple of weeks to kind of have an idea of if and where i'll be going so

[00:45:08] we'll discuss that with my agent and go from there if if you feel comfortable whatever

[00:45:14] you're comfortable sharing could you remind the listeners like what exists since they last saw

[00:45:19] you on the on a big league mount in 2021 what are some of the things that you've had to deal

[00:45:24] with injury wise um just getting back you know and shoulder surgeries no like that's no

[00:45:34] joke no surgeries it's a joke but like i've been through tj and i've been through shoulder

[00:45:39] surgery now and shoulder surgery was way harder and so just building that confidence and getting

[00:45:45] the time that you need to be both mentally and physically ready to go because

[00:45:53] i think the mental part of competing at the major league level is probably more important

[00:45:59] than the physical part like physically as athletes like we we can do it you know but

[00:46:04] like mentally you have to make sure you're there and that you trust your body and that

[00:46:10] you trust the work that you put in and i think that that was something maybe that

[00:46:15] it took this off season to kind of learn is like oh like i have to mentally be ready

[00:46:21] to to go out and get shohei shouhei otani out or air judge or you know just throw any name

[00:46:30] out there and and so like we're close you know that was that was something that i didn't

[00:46:36] necessarily think i was going to have to deal with was especially coming off of the year that

[00:46:41] i had in 21 going into shoulder surgery like oh man i'm just gonna pick up where i left off

[00:46:47] well that's not always the case you know and so i think i was a little naive in that point

[00:46:52] but i got it all figured out now we're we're rolling along and the ball seems like it's

[00:46:57] coming out pretty good and just ready to go so you answered one of the questions i had for you

[00:47:02] right in that answer which was you feel like shoulder surgery is actually tougher to recover

[00:47:07] from than tommy john which i feel like may like i feel like that's gained a little bit

[00:47:12] more traction over the last few years and people have started to recognize that but

[00:47:15] i'll flip the question to this what makes shoulder surgery tougher to recover from i think

[00:47:20] there's more moving parts with the elbow it's just can you get it to handle the torque can

[00:47:27] you get it to handle those higher end arm speeds but with the shoulder it's like the

[00:47:33] shoulder moves all different ways there's so much that goes into getting the shoulder to function

[00:47:39] properly and especially now with the new brace technique the things that i'm hearing about that

[00:47:45] you know it's it's making tj even that much more recoverable whereas you know i'm just speaking

[00:47:54] from my own experience i had a lot more aches and pains and even down to just like the weather

[00:48:03] you know the weather would come and i would really kind of feel there for a little bit

[00:48:07] like oh man like it's gonna rain today you know you hear that kind of those old grandma

[00:48:12] grandpa tales of like oh it's gonna rain because my bones are aching and i felt that you know and

[00:48:18] and so i think just the complexity of the shoulder and all the moving parts and what

[00:48:23] goes into it makes it maybe a little more difficult and somebody might have a different

[00:48:27] opinion but just for me that was my experience where was the mental wall it sounded like you

[00:48:33] faced along in your rehab work like what at what point was it um i think that it came and went i

[00:48:44] think there was times where you'd go out there and your nails and you're like okay yeah this

[00:48:49] is great but then it's like maybe you go out and through no fault of your own your velo's down

[00:48:54] a little bit or you know maybe your control is not there and you're just like oh man am i

[00:48:58] actually ready is everything okay like nothing hurts but like it's not coming out at 93 94

[00:49:03] anymore it's now 89 90 and you know but not having gone through that or having really

[00:49:11] talked to anybody that's gone through a shoulder surgery as a picture like

[00:49:15] to come to find out that all of that is normal and it just takes time i think was kind

[00:49:19] of that turning point of like okay like i just need to trust the process trust that everything

[00:49:24] is good trust that the work that i put in over the the duration of the the physical therapy

[00:49:30] is going to hold and then just go compete and let it eat and i think there was a turning point

[00:49:36] somewhere i think in august a couple weeks into playing that it really kind of like was like

[00:49:44] okay like just let it go and and you know i had a few hiccups in there with some execution

[00:49:49] stuff that that hurt me you know in the pcl but um it i think it it just was more mental

[00:49:58] than anything you know just getting to where you trust your body again after such a long time off

[00:50:08] you know i i do i do want to ask you about this in terms of your men you mentioned you

[00:50:13] you think you're getting close you think your progression is coming toward the end where you

[00:50:16] feel like you're getting close to getting back into games again i'm sure you're open

[00:50:20] to a variety of opportunities i have no doubt you are but i know a few weeks ago you put

[00:50:24] out a tweet that said mariners fans start the petition i would love to be back in seattle

[00:50:30] i'd love to keep the scoreless streak going so all of that being said like if the ball was

[00:50:35] in your court if you had your chance to pick you would still like to be a mariner it sounds

[00:50:39] like i mean i have as a baseball player you'll play wherever there's a job obviously

[00:50:47] um for us our home is in seattle i feel like because i had a setback last year there wasn't

[00:50:54] enough time for me to really kind of work my way back inside the the organization i there i still

[00:51:01] do have um emotional ties to the streak and it being here in seattle in in our hometown and

[00:51:11] and all these things you know obviously the business side of baseball is much different than

[00:51:16] what people see or what you know maybe you plan out in your head but yeah i mean i would

[00:51:20] love to be here i'd love to play baseball again you know just to have an opportunity

[00:51:26] somewhere and who knows maybe we go somewhere else and we end up back here or you know we

[00:51:31] we don't and we find a new home and and i put everything that i've got into whatever team i

[00:51:37] mean i played for five different teams at this point now so like it's it's really just about

[00:51:44] getting a job and getting an opportunity to showcase your ability and do what you love

[00:51:49] you know but yeah i mean who wouldn't want to play in in t-mobile you know it's a great

[00:51:55] pitchers park it's the fans are unbelievable it's yeah it's a hometown my family gets to sleep

[00:52:01] in their own house and and things like that and and so if they came calling that would be

[00:52:07] that would definitely be a blessing what was it about the seattle area that made you at

[00:52:12] least for now decide this is where you want home to be um family and we came in 2019 at the end

[00:52:20] of the season to visit her sister and just loved it like the people are great the diversity

[00:52:27] is amazing the ability to drive a couple hours and go to the ocean or drive an hour and go

[00:52:34] skiing in the mountains and you know just being able to get outside we lived in florida prior

[00:52:40] and there's about three weeks where you can comfortably get outside and not have to worry

[00:52:45] about sweating like crazy and and so just to be able to do more outdoors things and you know

[00:52:50] just things like that it it really kind of drove us to to learn to be here and you know

[00:52:56] honestly it's been an amazing decision and we've loved every minute of of living in this area

[00:53:02] i do want to dive into the streak a little bit so 29 straight scoreless appearances that's

[00:53:06] how you ended the year in 2021 you missed a couple months i remember you were on the il

[00:53:11] it was a little bit after you came back when the streak started yeah when in your head do

[00:53:15] you start to realize oh it's it's been a long time since i've given up a run like i know

[00:53:20] players aren't supposed to think about that but when you start to think about it honestly

[00:53:25] i didn't even know what was going on um my wife knew pretty early that something kind of

[00:53:30] special was happening but she didn't want to say anything um which i i don't think i'm

[00:53:37] superstitious but i think there might be a little bit just in every kind of athlete but

[00:53:41] i didn't realize it was going on until we were in oakland and i had a reporter bring up

[00:53:46] that i had at the point at that time i think it was like 21 or 22 straight

[00:53:51] scoreless outings and i was like really i had no idea you know and and at that point it's

[00:53:56] like okay like cool like it's not going to change the way i do my job it's not going to

[00:54:00] change the way i prepare i'm not going to put any more pressure on myself or anything that

[00:54:05] like that if anything like it kind of helped me focus maybe a little more because man this is

[00:54:10] kind of special like i don't think i don't think for me being the type of pitcher that

[00:54:17] i am and was prior to that ever thought that that was something that could happen just

[00:54:22] because i don't strike out a lot of guys my defense is is a big part of my success and

[00:54:31] you know so i i don't think it ever really crossed my mind that that was happening until

[00:54:34] it was brought to my attention and then after that it was just like okay like let's ride it

[00:54:38] as long as we can and if it goes away it goes away but as long as we win a baseball game

[00:54:43] and you know make a run at a playoff appearance then that's all that really matters and so i

[00:54:47] kind of took some of the pressure off of off of that if you were to pick one of those

[00:54:52] outings that was your favorite which one was it probably that trip when we were in oakland

[00:55:07] there was a couple of guys on that team that i had played with in the past that didn't know

[00:55:11] me pretty well and plus i had gone one plus and so to have to go back out and kind of do

[00:55:20] a multiple inning outing i think that that's exponentially harder to kind of

[00:55:29] keep that especially as a guy that has typically been finish out an inning one

[00:55:34] inning in the sixth or the seventh you know you kind of have that role and then so to

[00:55:38] be able to go through that and have a sit down and then you get back up and continue that

[00:55:43] i think that one sticks out the most um and then the night that actually broke the record

[00:55:50] against um the angels that was pretty cool i did not anticipate that or anything being up on the

[00:55:57] scoreboard you know all that kind of stuff and so that was it was really cool to be able to

[00:56:02] break the record at home in front of your home crowd in front of your family um so i would

[00:56:07] say those two outings were probably the most memorable i guess you should you could say

[00:56:13] during that time and the whole season was just amazing for you i mean so everybody

[00:56:19] remembers the streak but when you look at your actual game by game you made 42 appearances that

[00:56:24] year you gave up an earned run in three of them which translates to what an e.r.a. that was below

[00:56:29] oh seven for the year and i think back to that bullpen of that season and the mariners now

[00:56:34] have developed a pretty good reputation across the league for being able to develop bullpen arms

[00:56:39] and year by year churn out good bullpens and it all started with you like you paul seawald

[00:56:44] and drus dekken rider were that trio that i feel like trailblazed a lot of it

[00:56:48] moving forward so i think i guess you could add swanson into that too he was there that year he

[00:56:53] was he had an unbelievable year that that whole bullpen was we call at least i did i kind

[00:57:00] of felt like we were like this band of misfits where like you're all coming from

[00:57:03] different organizations and then you find this one place where for whatever reason

[00:57:08] you just mesh with the guys and it's just like we just had so much fun out there we had

[00:57:14] fun kind of not really necessarily one one-upping each other but like there was this like competition

[00:57:19] of like how good can we actually be you know and and yeah that was that was insane that

[00:57:25] year was a lot of fun i wish i would have been able to be a part of it for more but

[00:57:29] you know you got to deal with the ebbs and flows and the injuries and things like that so

[00:57:36] so what was it when during that season or when you got to seattle that you feel like

[00:57:41] both you and the mariners unlocked within your game that made you so successful that year i think

[00:57:47] it was a combination of being somewhere that you can be yourself and also the scouting

[00:57:58] department here is unlike any other that i've ever been a part of the the information that

[00:58:05] we get that is as in-depth or as personalized as you want like i can go to to sam and say hey

[00:58:16] i want to see this on my report from now on and it's right there you know and the way that

[00:58:22] they really kind of take pride in their scouting that goes into all of the series

[00:58:30] and things like that and then just the conversation with the guys in the pen you know you're sitting

[00:58:38] there and you know none of us were alike but all of us kind of fed off of each other and would

[00:58:46] really kind of watch each other's outings and go back and ask each other questions and

[00:58:51] and having trent um who's now the pitching strategist he was our bullpen coach at the time

[00:58:57] having him down there and his his mind to be able to kind of go through the scouting reports

[00:59:01] with you down there in the bullpen and and just the transparency of hey like these are your pockets

[00:59:07] these are the your guys that you need to really focus on helps too because then you're not

[00:59:11] studying nine guys you're studying four or five and so you can watch those four or five throughout

[00:59:19] the game and really kind of find out okay where's their swing at tonight are they laid

[00:59:24] on fastballs are they struggling with the breaking ball tonight and so like there's a

[00:59:28] whole big plethora of things that kind of led into why i think the bullpens and stuff are

[00:59:37] so successful and and why we were able to be successful at that so casey we have to ask because

[00:59:43] it had been brought to our attention over the offseason some of the conversations that

[00:59:47] happened in this current mariners bullpen regarding certain former major league baseball

[00:59:52] players and whether or not they actually existed funny enough so what do you think

[01:00:00] what was one of the most either fun or best or interesting conversation that you guys had

[01:00:07] in the bullpen that had absolutely nothing to do with the game that was being played

[01:00:13] i don't know there's so many like there's a point where it's like you just you're paying

[01:00:26] attention to the game but it's like if the starter is rolling that he's just kind of like

[01:00:30] whatever so like we'd play games and we'd do you know just random things i don't remember

[01:00:39] one specific conversation that we had as much fun as we had that bullpen that year was very

[01:00:47] business oriented so like a lot of the conversations stemmed from past outings or

[01:00:54] things that maybe happened that were funny or whatever and so like that that's kind of a

[01:01:02] hard question to answer i guess and being someone that was in the game maybe a little earlier than

[01:01:11] the the majority of the guys i don't know like maybe there was some conversations that happened

[01:01:15] you know after but all i can remember is just really enjoying just talking story with with

[01:01:22] the guys and really finding out who they were as people and their families and things like that so

[01:01:28] just to give an example of what the current bullpen talks about on a daily basis there is

[01:01:33] a faction of the group that does not believe babe ruth was actually a real person and they

[01:01:37] spent copious amounts of time out there but you have to discuss who's in that bullpen now

[01:01:43] so you have tyler salsito who's an absolute character he's one of the funniest guys

[01:01:49] he probably heard that conversation he's the ringleader you know so like it doesn't surprise me

[01:01:55] i mean sometimes sometimes as competitive people will argue just to argue too so it's like we

[01:02:05] might know we're wrong but you know what we're gonna give it everything we can to to try to

[01:02:09] prove our case but um that's cool i'm glad that that group has found a way to pass the

[01:02:14] time because the season is grueling and the bullpen you get down there and you kind of feel

[01:02:18] separated from everything um you know depending on where it is and all that so to have a group

[01:02:25] of guys that you can mesh with and just enjoy every minute of it that's awesome to hear that

[01:02:32] they've kind of found their way to to deal with the monotony of everyday baseball okay so

[01:02:39] i was gonna say i was gonna follow up with if you were in this bullpen would you have to

[01:02:43] play the older the older brother role where you're looking at looking at them shaking your head and

[01:02:48] basically being like you morons or whatever you know i don't think so because that's part of

[01:02:57] i think what makes bullpens here that i've been a part of good is like you just accept

[01:03:05] people for who they are and yeah you might think they're ridiculous or whatever but it's

[01:03:09] know that's what that's what that guy needs to stay ready and to stay mentally okay and to

[01:03:19] you know be able to do his job and have fun and not get beat down by the grind then go for it

[01:03:24] buddy um you know it is it's funny you say kind of that older person is like i don't feel

[01:03:32] that way i still feel like i'm one of the younger guys just just because i might not have

[01:03:38] as much service time as you know like your average 33 34 year old professional baseball player and so

[01:03:46] like that was one thing when i came over in 20 i looked at the roster and i was like man i have

[01:03:50] a year and a half of service time and the only person on this team that's older than me

[01:03:54] is kyle seeker like what is going on like he's got nine nine years already and so like

[01:04:00] for me i think i try to blend in with that that younger crowd just because it makes me feel

[01:04:06] a little younger too so i don't think i would change anything

[01:04:11] oh i was gonna say speaking of the roster i was just thinking about this as we were

[01:04:15] kind of getting ready to talk to you but is it kind of wild how fast big league rosters will

[01:04:19] change over the year or years i should say just because i was looking at this 2021 roster

[01:04:24] versus where we're at now there's six guys on this current team that were part of that

[01:04:30] 2021 if you want to throw brash and munoz into that equation you can that makes it eight

[01:04:35] but brash never threw in a threw in an inning or a game that year and munoz threw one so yeah if

[01:04:40] you throw those guys out it's essentially six is it kind of crazy like what the turn looks like

[01:04:44] over the years yeah i think it's just kind of the direction that baseball is going is there's

[01:04:49] a lot more movement because you know guys are getting traded guys are you know you're seeing

[01:04:56] shorter contracts you're seeing things like that and i don't want to get into the business

[01:05:00] side of it too much but like you don't see these big long-term deals as much anymore as you did

[01:05:08] and when i first came in back in 2010 like it's more of like kind of that revolving door of

[01:05:17] uh we'll get a guy but if we feel like we can get three guys for this guy well then we'll

[01:05:22] just trade him and then try to sign him back in free agency or you know all these kind of

[01:05:25] things so you know and it makes it interesting because you never know like where your team is

[01:05:34] going to be you're always going to be you know maybe you show up to spring training and you're

[01:05:38] expecting to see you know so-and-so but they got traded mid offseason and now this guy's in

[01:05:44] and all right let's go you know welcome to the club and and go from there um you know

[01:05:50] and it's i don't know it's i think baseball is gonna find its own path you know maybe you'll see

[01:06:00] you know some longer contracts for for guys but i think and i also i also think the injuries

[01:06:07] kind of come into there you know like maybe there's been a few more injuries as of the last

[01:06:15] couple of years than in years past that caused turnover and you know so who knows

[01:06:21] casey we were gonna wrap it up with you we like to do with the players five rapid fire questions

[01:06:26] to conclude the interview so leading it off uh the first question is your go-to pregame

[01:06:34] and postgame meal usually some kind of like beef i don't like beef or chicken um it i'm

[01:06:45] not too picky when it comes to that like as long as i get to eat i'm pretty good but if

[01:06:50] you know if there's a good steak i'll definitely take that and what do you like postgame

[01:06:58] it depends if i don't pitch i'll eat you know pretty heavy postgame meal but if i do

[01:07:03] pitch it's it takes a little bit to kind of wind down so you know it depends but yeah any

[01:07:10] kind of protein protein rich meal just to kind of help you make make you feel full and and go

[01:07:17] from there i like i said it pretty much steak and chicken anything that you you want to put

[01:07:24] on a plate i'll eat so do you season it oh yeah just all good good okay second one we've

[01:07:32] got for you your three favorite all-time tv shows or what who friends my wife and i are very

[01:07:40] outspoken friends fans um and then survivor big survivor fan okay and let's see number three

[01:07:56] i'm probably gonna catch some flak for this but i love curse of oak island it's a history

[01:08:01] channel show about you know oak island and nova scotia and this like conspiracy of like

[01:08:07] treasure hunting and all that kind of stuff that i'm big into it i just enjoy it because

[01:08:13] it's like they're kind of rewriting history while we're while they're looking for this

[01:08:18] and so it's it's kind of cool to see that maybe some things happened that we didn't know

[01:08:23] about because nobody was there to tell the story so um yeah that one those are probably

[01:08:28] my three favorite well you'll be pleased to know that is the first time someone has answered

[01:08:33] that tv show oh cool no this question because i'm a history nerd i just i love the history

[01:08:38] channel and so yeah that's sounds really interesting i have to check it out i don't

[01:08:44] think yeah i don't think you'll catch flak for that that's like i don't know my wife

[01:08:47] thinks it's the most boring show in all of the world because she's like they don't ever

[01:08:52] find anything i was like well yeah they do they find a lot of stuff but just not the

[01:08:56] you know the holy grail or the ark of the covenant whatever you know um but yeah it's just

[01:09:02] i just enjoy history so she gives me a little razz every once in a while

[01:09:07] the third question casey what would you be doing if you weren't playing baseball

[01:09:12] oh i like real estate i think i would i would probably get into real estate

[01:09:18] whether it be agent or just real estate investing i don't know that's something that

[01:09:26] i really enjoyed you know enjoyed the process of buying homes and selling homes and stuff like

[01:09:32] that and even you know in the commercial side of things and um i don't know maybe that i think

[01:09:39] once baseball is over i kind of want to do something different you know you spend so much

[01:09:43] time playing the game and you know always help out if if there's ever a need but you know i

[01:09:49] know a lot of guys go into coaching and that and it just i don't know i kind of want to

[01:09:53] try my hand at something else and see if i can be really successful with that

[01:09:56] yeah so you could do halftime real estate when you when you sell real estate

[01:10:01] you know you you probably especially investing assume you'd own all this property so yeah i

[01:10:06] mean you spend some time managing it and then you can go treasure hunt yeah there you go

[01:10:11] i don't know i i don't have the patience for that i don't have the patience for

[01:10:16] for treasure hunting or the or the deep pockets but um i just enjoy watching other

[01:10:21] people do it or or if not treasure hunting then you go find it's like kind of like treasure

[01:10:26] hunting but instead of treasure hunting you're just going in haunted houses and that's that's

[01:10:30] my ghost she she likes she likes that kind of stuff the the supernatural stuff but uh i'm

[01:10:39] i don't know it's yeah not for me i don't know i just don't know if you'd actually you'd

[01:10:46] yeah i don't i'm good i like my i like the safety of my house i don't like to go into other

[01:10:52] people's business but uh but yeah yeah fourth question your favorite and least favorite

[01:11:00] baseball road trip and this can include the minor leagues when you think least favorite

[01:11:07] my favorite road trip probably when i had the opportunity to go to new york with

[01:11:17] tampa for the first time my wife and daughter got to come and so we all got to experience new

[01:11:23] york city for the first time and take my daughter down to times square and see all the

[01:11:28] lights and do the big disney store and all that kind of stuff so that's probably the

[01:11:31] most memorable um one the worst one actually we talk about on our next episode of our podcast

[01:11:40] that's coming out and that is a trip that we had in lowey we were in west virginia and we

[01:11:46] traveled from lakewood new jersey to greensboro north carolina on one bus and you know people

[01:11:54] have to go on listen to the podcast when it drops so they can get the kind of inside story

[01:12:00] on that one but that one was definitely the worst one i think i've ever been a part of

[01:12:04] okay and then final question casey uh your favorite all-time baseball player

[01:12:11] hmm i don't know if i have like a favorite favorite i grew up i grew up in the martin

[01:12:20] maguire sammy sosa like home run race and i had the poster of martin maguire when he

[01:12:26] broke the record and all that kind of stuff but i i don't think i ever really had a

[01:12:30] favorite player i enjoyed watching john smoltz and greg maddox and adam wayne wright and

[01:12:38] chris carpenter and all those guys that are kind of my style of pitcher that you know

[01:12:46] didn't strike out a ton of guys got a lot of contact got a lot of weak contact just pitched

[01:12:50] for forever and you know so watching those guys pitch and how they navigated baseball games and

[01:12:57] and that's really kind of my group that i would watch as a kid so i would i would say

[01:13:03] of those four probably that would you just pick one you know so those are good answers i mean

[01:13:09] those are really good answers casey this has been awesome i know we're rooting for you

[01:13:14] mariners fans are certainly rooting for you and i think everybody's pretty excited to see where

[01:13:18] your baseball journey takes you next and we're looking forward to seeing it so thanks again

[01:13:23] for the time and we know you're going to do great i appreciate it it's been a lot of fun

[01:13:27] i enjoy talking to you guys and anytime you want to talk again just let me know that was

[01:13:35] a bunch of fun to have casey sadler on love talking to him awesome guy if you guys haven't

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