Episode 230: Are These Mariners Trade Ideas Legit? (Mailbag)

[00:00:00] Welcome to episode number 230 of the Marine Layer Podcast. It's our mailbag episode. We're going to take and answer all of your guys' good questions. We're going to go down on the farm, highlight a couple of prospects, and close out the show with a Russell Wilson Umpire of the Week. Your reminder to you guys too, if you want to stay on top of all of our stuff, there's one spot you can find everything, you guys. It's over at marinelayerpod.com. That's our official website. It's got everything between our audio episodes, our video episodes, merch, Patreon.

[00:00:28] We hope you're checking all that out, and especially our live show schedule, which is up on the website. And if you haven't checked it out yet, we hope you do it in the next day because we're one day out from our next live show, which we are so fired up about. Saturday, April 19th, Queen Anne Beer Hall. Live show starts at 11 a.m. Watch Party immediately follows at 12 p.m. We're all going to stick around and watch Mariners Blue Jays, which will be an awesome series, an awesome game.

[00:00:54] And during the live show, yeah, we've got a bunch of fun stuff planned. We're going to answer your guys' questions live. We're going to do trivia. We're going to have a bunch of giveaways. There's going to be great food and drinks there. We're really looking forward to it. And if you guys can make it out, we would absolutely love to have you. So all of that is over at our website. Again, first live show of the regular season, April 19th, Saturday, Queen Anne Beer Hall. Starts at 11 a.m. If you want to find us everywhere on social media as well, you can do so at Marine Layer Pod. All right, let's get it rolling.

[00:01:36] And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast. We're part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network. Sitting here recording Thursday, April 17th in the evening after the Mariners get a series win over the Reds. I know it's me bringing in the live show or not live show, me bringing in the podcast again, you guys, which if you hate me bringing it in, I've got good news for you. Last time I'll be doing it for a while. TJ's still in New York. Trip's almost over for him.

[00:02:03] He was out in the city on Thursday with his family. He was busy with some stuff. And we wanted to make sure we at least talked a little bit about the end of the Mariners Red Series. However, it went. The mailbag's already been recorded, which both of us are on. So if you guys stick around and listen to that part, we hope you do. It's both of us on business as usual. But I did want to spend a few minutes talking about the end of this Mariners Red Series because you guys, they really, really needed that series win.

[00:02:30] They really did. In what's their first long road trip of the year when they have to go to Toronto and then they have to go to Boston. Cincinnati was the soft landing spot on this part of the schedule, especially having to miss Hunter Green and getting to miss Hunter Green. You had to win two or three. Now they made it close.

[00:02:48] A-thinning got a little interesting when former Mariner Jake Fraley and his 30 WRC plus or whatever for the year took Edward Bizzardo deep for a grand slam and gave the Reds a two-run lead. It wasn't feeling pretty at that point. But you know what? I will say, for all of the things that we've highlighted about the Mariners so far and the lack of depth offensively on the roster, what feels like it lacks star power, etc. This team really does fight. And this offense fights.

[00:03:18] Like, that's a game a year ago they probably do not win. Honestly, and you can highlight the bullpen and the offense for that. If things got dicey like that late and maybe you had some guys like Austin Both in the game and some others, there's a world that goes south. The Mariners fought hard and they fought back and they found a way to win this one. Even with Bizzardo giving up the grand slam. Shout out to Cal. Shout out to Randy. I gotta say, Cal with this torpedo bat. Sky's the limit on his home run total, I guess.

[00:03:48] I mean, TJ was joking about greatest player of all time and obviously I didn't play along with the joke that much. But, you know, as every game goes on and Cal hits more home runs with this torpedo bat, who knows what his limit can be? I said it in our reaction on Thursday on social media if you want to check that out. I said, Ellie De La Cruz had a 25 homer, 67 stolen base season a year ago.

[00:04:14] Is Cal about to hit 67 bombs and steal 25 bases? Because the stolen base thing, he's a little more on pace for it than you think. He's already got three. It's the middle of April. If he steals a couple more before the end of April, I mean, I never, ever, ever imagined Cal Raleigh being a 20 stolen base guy. Maybe he's got it in him.

[00:04:38] Maybe he's, maybe he's worked on a couple things and jumps and things like that to be ready to prove people wrong this year and just come out of nowhere with that. It would be the sneakiest 20 to 25 stolen bases you'll ever see. But yeah, Cal is on a tear right now. He's on a tear. Dylan Moore continues to be on a tear. Randy Orozarena, what do we always say? That guy has such a knack for the big moment. He really does. It's ninth inning today.

[00:05:05] Cal hits the homer, leads off the inning with the bomb, puts him down one run. And you think to yourself, all right, it's kind of a garbage time run. I know it's a one run game now, but it didn't really feel like they were going to get anything much else after that. You blink and Randy's leaving the yard in left field to tie the game. Very next batter. This team really does have some fight. So, and where they may lack talent at certain spots on the roster offensively, look, they don't quit.

[00:05:34] Not that other teams in the past where the Mariners did quit, but this team really seems to have, yeah, a little bit of extra dog in them. That's the best way I can put it. Oh, by the way, shout out to Cal. And did you, with that, did you guys see this Bryce Miller tweet or this postgame press conference quote on Wednesday after Wednesday's win when he got asked about Cal Raleigh and the home runs with the torpedo bats?

[00:05:58] And Bryce was like, yeah, I mean, the Mariners are probably happy, happy they financially took care of him before he got to torpedo bats or they may have, they may have had to double his price. Cal may have doubled his asking price in his extension. He was like, yeah, the Mariners are pretty financially well off and happy that, that they didn't have to extend or sorry. He said the Mariners are probably pretty happy financially. They didn't have to pay Cal after he got the torpedo bats. So anyway, Bryce is a pretty funny dude.

[00:06:27] I mean, you guys all know that by now, but I'm just reiterating it that Bryce Miller, especially when he wants to be, he can be very funny. And that was a funny quote. So speaking of Bryce, he only went five on Wednesday, which it seems like that was very precautionary just because he had soreness to start before. They want to make sure they're not overusing him. It's early in the year. I was a little worried when he got pulled after five innings on Wednesday. I'm not going to lie. Scared me a little bit, but it turns out it was pretty precautionary.

[00:06:54] And also the back price was up to 97 miles an hour in that start. That's a pretty good sign too. Final thing. Then we'll get to the mailbag. Our guy Emerson Hancock, man. We're not going to go an episode where Emerson has a good start without shouting him out. So shout out Emerson. Five innings, two runs in the Reds finale here on Thursday. Gave up the first inning bomb to Austin Hayes. Put that in the rear view mirror. Cruised from there. Really, really good five innings. After two starts where Luis F.

[00:07:24] Castillo couldn't find the strike zone and basically gave you very, very little chance to win. In spite of them coming back to win one of his starts. That was in that Astros series. That was a really, really nice refresher from Emerson after what was a tough first start. And also him showing everybody, yeah, this is still who I can be. This is still who I am as a pitcher. Maybe I don't get a ton of swing and miss, although he got a little bit more of it here on Thursday. But his VLO was up. Hard contact down.

[00:07:53] Didn't walk anybody. Absolutely kept him in the game. Yeah, he had a really strong outing, you guys. He had a really, really strong outing. And you know TJ and I are fired up for him. Really good start. To see Emerson pitch like that after the first start he had, yeah. Thrilled for him. We love Emerson. So, shout out Emerson Hancock. He absolutely did his job and more here on Thursday. And can't wait to see him build off that. Because obviously he's going to make the next turn in the rotation. And probably the one after that. Until George Kirby's back.

[00:08:23] So, really, really fired up to see what Emerson can do from there. Shout out to him. All right. That's the Red Series. Good to see the Mariners get two or three. It is not going to be easy going into Rogers Center and going into Fenway Park the next few days. They're going to have to battle. Well, speaking of which, the Mariners have not won a series at Fenway Park in 10 years. Do you guys know that? 10 years since they won a series at Fenway? Crazy. Yeah, they really needed that Red Series. And they got it.

[00:08:51] Anyway, we can talk more about the Red Sox in a few days. Glad they got the series win. On to Toronto. You guys have heard me yapping up. Let's throw it to the mailbag where TJ and I answer all of your guys' awesome questions. All right. Let's get to the mailbag. First question from Darren on Patreon. Darren, it was great getting to meet you at the ballpark this past weekend. And Darren actually came and he explained to us what Patreon question he was going to send us here for this mailbag.

[00:09:18] So I have a bit more of an understanding of what he's trying to get at for this question here. So let me try and explain it to the people as best as possible. So Darren's question was, if you were to go back from day one of Jerry DiPoto's tenure and you were going to encapsulate his entire run with the Mariners and you were to put together the best 26-man roster as the players would be today, you can go back and reverse trades. You can reverse signings.

[00:09:45] You can do any sort of stuff that the Mariners had control over. And you had a chance to put together the best possible roster this year. What would the roster look like? Lyle, what would it look like? Yeah, so just to contextualize it more for people, this isn't you can go out and handpick anybody you want to put on the roster. This isn't us saying, oh, I'm going to put Shohei on the roster and he's going to DH. Well, we can't do that.

[00:10:11] It's guys that have been a part of the organization at some point in time that you have to jumble together to try to put together the best roster for this year. So, it honestly doesn't look that different right now than it probably would if you put this lineup together once we did this exercise and wrote it all out. Here's what I have. And I don't think we're that different in this way. Cal at catcher. Ty France at first. Dylan Moore at shortstop.

[00:10:38] And I'm going to get back to that last spot because I'm going to save it for the end. So, Dylan Moore at shortstop. Gino's still at third base. Eugenio Suarez. The outfield would still look the same when healthy. Randy Rosarena in left. Julio in center. Victor Robles in right. I had Carlos Santana at DH. So, in that world, you would have kept him around. Well, okay, explain the Santana one to me. Are we allowed to just say you keep him around or do you have to re-sign him the way they should have this winner?

[00:11:06] I think we can count Carlos Santana because unlike, say, Shohei Otani are saying, oh, I'm choosing for them to sign Pete Alonso to play first base. They had a deal, like, almost in place with Carlos Santana this offseason. Like, it was done. Right. The Guardians just swooped in at the last moment and decided to sign him, and he preferred there a little bit more. I think we can give Carlos Santana an exemption in this case. Okay.

[00:11:29] If you want to make a case for someone else to play shortstop, given his current medical state, Jorge Polanco can also work out in this position, too. Yeah. I don't know how – I'm trying to imagine what he'd look like playing shortstop, but defensively. Jorge Polanco. Oh, I was saying DH. Oh, DH. I was going to say that makes a little more sense. Yeah. That makes a little – anyway, here's the big one, right? I skipped over second base. This is the kicker.

[00:11:58] I could tell Marte would be playing second base, and that's the big difference here. But by having Cattell play second base, there's no J.P. Crawford at shortstop because in order for the Mariners to have gotten J.P. back when they did before the 2019 year, that involved trading Gene Segura to Philly. So if they don't have Gene Segura, they probably don't trade for J.P. Crawford, and they got Gene Segura by trading Cattell and Tywon Walker over to the Diamondbacks at the end of 2016. That is the big one.

[00:12:26] And what's another big name that the Mariners would not have in their franchise lore if that Cattell trade does not go through? It's Mitch Hanager. Yeah. So he's not a part of this either. But for 2025, this is the roster. And look, this is not me trashing on that trade. Overall value, I still think the Mariners are up by war on the Diamondbacks in terms of the overall value of the trade between what they got from Segura in his time, Mitch in his time, and J.P. so far.

[00:12:55] The difference is Arizona got the best player in that trade. Cattell Marte has been a top three MVP finisher. To have that guy at second base for the Mariners right now, where they have certainly rotated through a cast of guys at second base over the last, well, since Robbie left. Last decade. I would not mind, personally, having Cattell playing second base. Yeah. So that's their starting lineup. The starting rotation, you'll be shocked to hear this, Lyle, is the exact same.

[00:13:24] But the bullpen. Here's who I wrote down for the bullpen. It's an interesting group, I'll say this, because I would still have Andres Munoz. Duh. I would keep Paul Seawald at this point. I assume they'd just keep re-signing him, because there would be some stability. I know they really like Paul Seawald. Matt Brash is going to be in this bullpen. Gabe Spire is going to be in this bullpen.

[00:13:48] And just for the sake of another lefty, and how the lefty currently is today throwing in Major League Baseball, I have Taylor Saucedo in there as well. To be honest, that's five guys. You could pick any three other guys that can still throw, that have been in the Mariners' bullpen, whether present or past. Put them in there, and I'll say, okay, that's fine at this point. There's not that much of a difference in that bullpen group. I think the big ones are Munoz, Brash, keeping Seawald, and keeping Gabe Spire.

[00:14:17] I'm going to assume you opted not to give Edwin Diaz $100 million? The Mariners would not have given Edwin Diaz $100 million. So, yeah. Well, it doesn't matter if the Mariners wouldn't have. This is about what we would do. I would have, but it's not realistic. Like, I feel like we built this roster to be realistic, right? Yeah. Which is why we're saying they're not being active in free agency. Edwin Diaz was a free agent. You know Jerry Lyle. They would have traded Eddie.

[00:14:46] They did trade Eddie. You know they would have. Well, they did trade Eddie. If they did trade him the first time, they would have traded him again. Fair. Oh, wait, no. In this scenario, the Eddie trade, would we have still done that? Because, I mean, it's kind of irrelevant to this current day roster, but we still leave up the decision whether or not we would have done that trade. If you're asking in hindsight now, no, because they got no value back for it. Okay, that's fine. And that's how we're judging this.

[00:15:15] So, no, they would not have done the Edwin Diaz trade. I don't think, regardless, it has any impact on the 2025 team because $100 million for Edwin Diaz for the Mariners would make sense for me, but for how the Mariners operate, no way. The only reliever they signed to a long-term deal is Andres Munoz, who makes no money. Would you keep Eric Swanson in that bullpen? Now, he did not have a good year last year, but 2023 still had a good year, and obviously in 22 he had a good year.

[00:15:45] For the 2025 Mariners, no. I would have still done the tail trade. Having all the insight I have now, I would still do that trade. Well, you just have bullpen spots to continue to fill out, so I'm just curious. You do, but we're banking on Eric Swanson being good this year. Okay. So, instead, you're fine, which is totally warranted, filling it with Troy Taylor and filling it with... Well, no, Vargas wouldn't be here because you still have Geno, which is fine.

[00:16:14] But, yeah, filling it with the Troy Taylors of the world and filling it with guys like that. I would love the 2022 version of Eric Swanson. I think that would be an unbelievable fitness bullpen. But the Teoscar Hernandez thing is another one I was sort of thinking about with DH. If we're being, like, realistic, he can't be on this roster because he wouldn't have signed. The Mariners could have offered him, like, $30 million. He probably would have said no. And you have Polanco over Santana on this roster?

[00:16:44] You could just push one of them to the bench. I was just thinking for the sake of continuing to have Justin Topa, who obviously didn't pitch much at all last year. But in a short sample so far in 25, he's got a 1-3 ERA. It's been good. You can make the case. I think it's just who you think would be better in 2025. Do you have a preference on who you think would be a better hitter in the DH spot this year, Santana or Polanco?

[00:17:12] Obviously, off early season results, you'd say Polanco. But they did want to sign Santana. Clearly, that was in their plans. And he had a good year last year. And not that we don't like Jorge Polanco. We do. And obviously, we're thrilled he's off to a good start. I'm just thinking about which combination works out better, especially if Topa is going to be healthy. I'm going to say with a healthy Justin Topa, and a lot of this rides on health, given that Victor Robles is in this lineup, I think I'll side with Carlos Santana, and you can keep Justin Topa.

[00:17:42] So we add Topa as the sixth member of this bullpen. Part of me loves that answer just because, selfishly, you and I love Justin Topa. We miss Justin Topa a lot. Yeah, he was the man. No, that's a good, that's a pretty good roster, though. I mean, if this roster just has Cattell Marte, their ceiling of wins goes to what? 94, 95? 94? I'd say 90. Well, but what do you call their ceiling for win total this year?

[00:18:12] This team can win 90. Yeah, it can, but they don't look like they're going to win 90 right now. Like, I feel like we would have seen some ceiling already, no? No. I'm just thinking about a middle of the order that, again, piece it all together, especially if Victor Robles is still healthy hitting leadoff. Then you have Julio at two. Or no, in this scenario, in this scenario, Robles may not be leading off. You'd have Cattell leading off. You'd have Julio at two. You'd have Randy at three. You'd have Cal at four. You'd have Gino at five.

[00:18:40] I mean, that lineup, that looks a lot different. So, you're saying this entire lineup would be about 94 wins. I thought you were saying just Cattell, if you place Cattell on this team currently. Yeah, this lineup is more like 94 wins. And add Santana to that, too, because Santana's probably hitting six. Okay. So, if you just put Cattell on the current 2025 Mariners with all of their problems and injuries,

[00:19:08] but you put Cattell Marte on it, I'd say that's more like 90 wins. All right. I can buy that. But I'd buy 94 wins with this current roster, which is good. I think it's good. Is it a good thing where you have a 10-year roster? You have a 10-year roster window with perfect health and unlimited trade decisions and hindsight decisions, and the best you can muster is like 94 wins. Honestly, I may be low-balling that a little bit. That lineup that we just highlighted out with this rotation, it's higher.

[00:19:37] Like, 94 is probably what the expectation could be. They could win 100 games with this lineup. Okay. And I'm down with that. Yeah, I'm down with that. With great health. I'm just saying. Yeah. Again, listen to the first five again. Cattell, Julio, Randy, Cal, Gino, and then Carlos Santana. And then you have this rotation. You have Munoz and Brash and all the other guys you have stacked up in the bullpen. Seawald, potentially.

[00:20:06] If you're somebody that wants to put Edwin Diaz into that bullpen, it's another. That's a 100-win team. Yeah. Okay. And I'm down. That's fine. This is a fun exercise. Darren, thank you so much for the question. And it was great meeting you, by the way. It was a fun thought exercise. Yeah, that's a really good question. Like, we enjoyed talking about it when we saw him at the game the other day. And let me just say, you met him for the first time. I met Darren a bunch over the last year or so. But really, really fun question. And I'm curious to hear everybody's thoughts listening.

[00:20:35] Like, drop us a YouTube comment. DM us on Instagram. If you're a Patreon member, which you should be. Hopefully, you guys want to sign up over at patreon.com. Send us a message there, too. If you could build out your perfect Mariners team in this scenario for 2025, what is it? I'm curious how much some other people's answers deviate from ours. Yeah. Okay. Second question. Also comes from Patreon. This is from Jordan. And he says, what happens first?

[00:21:05] A Gregory Santos strikeout or a Donovan Solano home run? Gregory Santos got sent down here on Wednesday when we're recording. Man, that makes it really difficult. Would it be bad if I said I'm still riding with the Gregory Santos strikeout? He gets a month in Tacoma. He comes back up and he gets a strikeout in his first outing back. Is that crazy?

[00:21:32] It's going to be May 16th without Solano hitting a homer? Would that surprise you at this current rate? Do I need to read you Donovan Solano's stats as of Wednesday? I don't want to hear them. Well, you're going to hear them anyway. 23 plate appearances. A negative 53 WRC plus and negative 0.4 F4. 35% strikeout rate. He is yet to walk. And of course, he has zero home runs.

[00:22:03] Is there a way this could have been avoided? I don't know if there is. Like this whole first base current disaster. Is there any way they could have avoided that? Well, how's Pete Alonzo doing? Fucking terrible. He has the second best OPS in baseball. Two-year deal with an opt-out, Teej. Two-year deal with an opt-out. If you want to compare and hear Gregory Santos' stats, 36 batters faced so far this season. Seven innings pitched. Eight walks. Zero strikeouts.

[00:22:33] Negative 0.2 wins above replacement. And a 5-1-4 ERA. Yeah, it's tough. That being said, I would say most relievers, even with those numbers, have a strikeout somewhere. One strikeout and 36 batters. One. And Santos doesn't have it. So what's your pick? Solano. Again, Santos got sent down and is off the roster. All right, well then I'm going to say it's a hot take

[00:23:02] that Gregory Santos still gets a strikeout before Solano hits one out. Solano's not a double-digit home run guy. He's not. It's not easy power. If he doesn't get a cheap one, he might get a cheap one by the time this episode comes out on Thursday. But if he doesn't, then, you know, it's not the easiest thing in the world for Donnie. Especially if he keeps it like this, those plate appearances are not going to be coming all that often.

[00:23:31] He may not have easy power, but to ask him to hit one bomb by the 16th of May is not unreasonable. How many home runs did Tommy LaStella hit? That shouldn't be who we're comping him to. And I know we're starting to get to that point, which is crazy. That there's legitimate comparisons at this point to Tommy LaStella in terms of the start he's gotten off to. But Donovan Solano was such an established player. I'm not saying he was a star player, but he was an established player.

[00:23:59] And he was supposed to fit a role. I think people were 0% shocked to see Tommy LaStella do what he did in 23. Where Solano, this is not good. This is very surprising for Donovan Solano. I'm, I'm, I'm giving him a little bit of a hard time here. I will still roll with Gregory Santos though. It will take him one batter to get a strikeout when he comes back. As long as he's not down in Tacoma for like two plus months. And he has some Carlos Vargas control problems down in Tacoma, which I don't anticipate, but yeah, we're going to have to,

[00:24:29] we're going to have to see here. I think this is going to be, it's going to be fascinating. Okay. So you go with the safe take and I go with the hot take. Okay. Yeah. Honestly, we usually go in the opposite directions. I'm usually the one that spits the hot take. So it's a fun change of pace. That's fine. And, and you, and in your big Gregory Santos, I love Gregory Santos too, but you know, he, he loves you seeing your face at the ballpark. So I'm here now getting on his good side. Well, you pick against him. He is.

[00:24:55] He will not be pitching for the Seattle Mariners for at least the next 15 days. What a scenario. What, what a scenario this is that we have to talk about this. I mean, and Solano has been really cool too. So we're obviously like we're rooting for nothing but the best for him and for the sake of the team success. But unfortunately, if we enter a scenario where the Mariners, one new offensive edition legitimately is not on this roster by June,

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[00:26:49] lowest price guaranteed. All right. Next question comes from Patreon. And this comes from NW F X Seattle or S E S E A. And the question is, as he throws out a mock trade proposal, the Mariners and the Braves hook up for a trade. Has the Mariners getting Ozzy Albies and Rossello Glacius, the Braves getting Ty Pete,

[00:27:17] Michael more Morales and Lazaro Montes. Lyle, would you do that? See, this is where it gets hard to separate personal interest and just baseball decisions because we love all three of those guys, especially tie in morale. Well, all of them, I'm not even going to pick favorites. I guess tie a little bit more just because we've actually like spent enough time around them now to like get to know him a bit, but yeah,

[00:27:46] it'd be really hard to see those guys go. It would. However, I got to get away from that because people want to hear about the baseball parts of the trade. So yes, you would have to do this. Ozzy Albies has three years of team control. That includes this year. He's very inexpensive. Despite the down year last year in 24, you know, it is best. He's one of baseball's best second baseman. The Mariners have not had a solidified second baseman in legitimately a decade. And it gives you a potential bullpen arm with high upside too. And a guy that's been one of the best relievers in baseball, when he's pitching like his best self.

[00:28:15] So it would be hard. And baseball wise, Laz would be the one in this trade that I know is a gut punch to people, but you would essentially be banking on the fact that Lazaro Montez is not going to be an all-star big league hitter. And if he's not an all-star big league hitter, he's not going to have immense value. And you're taking the chance that you will get that real value out of both Albies and Iglesias. And generally you can't, it's unfair to expect any prospect to come up and be an all-star hitter.

[00:28:45] There's only so many all-star slots in all baseball. So if you're just going to look at it, this trade in a baseball value perspective, you're getting Ozzie Albies, assuming this is at the trade deadline or around the trade deadline for two and a half seasons, making around $7 million per season. What a joke that contract is. It is. It's an unbelievable contract. I can't believe he inked that, that deal, but anyways, the deal essentially, so it guarantees this year,

[00:29:11] and then there's a club option next year and the year after that for Ozzie. So you'd essentially have control of him for two and a half seasons. If you wanted to, Iglesias would be a, a rental bullpen arm, but it fills immense needs that you need. You need a high leverage reliever and you need a second baseman. It would solve the problem with that. Ozzie Albies for his career has been an above average hitting second baseman with solid defense. He's got tools, switch hits, love these guys. I mean,

[00:29:38] this is like an all personality team in the Mariners prospects pool that we're trading away in Laz, Ty and Michael Morales. Love these dudes. Love interacting with these dudes, but I've been pretty constant on my stance and trading prospects for a trade like this. I would, it would be zero hesitation. Zero. Yeah. And it's easy to forget Morales on the personality side of it too, because people see it with Ty. They see it with Laz. Laz. And honestly,

[00:30:06] maybe unless you've listened to our podcast interview with Morales or have gotten a chance to talk to him. He is, when I say a sneaky personality, I mean, really sneaky. Cause you get him talking. Oh, he is, he is such a ball of fun. Like he's such a ball of energy. Arguably the biggest process, the biggest personality of this group, I would say, which is crazy because everybody thinks about Laz and, and Ty is the big ones. But Morales, man, again, if, if you get him talking, especially on something he's,

[00:30:33] he's fired up about or passionate about like, Oh, I could sit and have, I could sit and have conversations with that dude forever. Like he, like he gets it. That's the best way we can describe Michael Morales. He just gets it. He gets what it's like to be a modern baseball player in the modern day and like lean into, you know, having fun. So if, if you need any more indication on this trade and why this, you should, you should want this trade.

[00:31:00] I would say not only do you get three years of Ozzie Albies or two and a half years of Ozzie Albies, you get age 28, 29 and 30 seasons for Ozzie Albies. That is a player's peak. That's the, that's about as good as it gets right there at a premium position. And you get them in a time where this rotation should still, for the most part, be inexpensive. It's in that window. It's in that window where you're still trying to capitalize here and you get a premier second baseman to do it along with the fact that right. So Glacius may be getting up there in age,

[00:31:30] but last couple of years, guys, 2024, one nine, five ERA whip of oh, seven, three, two, six, five fit. So he was awesome last year. And if you scroll back one more year to 23, two 75 ERA, three, 26, five, one 18 whip. So a little bit higher, but this has been a dominant bullpen arm each of the last two seasons. Here's a stat for you. The Mariners only had one reliever last year. Andres Munoz, I believe eclipse one fan graphs, one above replacement. Ross sale.

[00:32:00] Glacius has done that six seasons in a row. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. There are a few twos thrown in there too. And by the way, he had one, he had a win above replacement, even in the 60 game season. That's how good this dude is. Just keep those buckets of bubble gum in the dugout away from them. Yeah. Good thing Jesse Winker's not on the team anymore. Yeah. For everybody that doesn't get that reference, remember when rice Hill Glacius during that fight in Anaheim, like chucked all those buckets of bubble gum onto the field, just out of anger. Yes.

[00:32:28] I think all the instigators of that fight are no longer here. Well, Winker, JP, JP's still here. Kind of Scott, Scott. I mean, Phil Nevin's gone. Yeah. It's most for the most part. I think Andrew Wance still on that team. Probably, probably not. I mean, he wasn't good. So who knows? no, he wasn't. Okay. Next question. This is also on Patreon. This comes from Bailey.

[00:32:58] So Bailey, shout out to you. Thanks for the question. He says, how many home runs does Dylan Moore hit this year? And he notes in the question that Dylan Moore's career high in home runs is 12. He's already got four this year. As of Wednesday, I'm going to say he doesn't break that. Cause I guess we've seen enough Dylan Moore to know that he streaks hot and he streaks cold. And I'd say there is going to be a point where the power does dip a little bit, including his contact rates.

[00:33:28] Like right now he's striking out at a career low rate. It's about 22%. Usually he's up around 30. Unless something has really changed for Dylan Moore, which is possible, but he's, since he's 32 years old, more so unlikely. And I'd say more likely that we see some regression from him. I kind of liked this version of Dylan Moore though, a little bit better. Like, yeah, the power's there, but since he's making contact at a higher rate, and we know he hits the ball hard, like,

[00:33:54] why don't we just use his on base skills and up the contact a little bit? He plays more like a true utility header and utility player. That is. He does. But with the way the roster is constructed, he's going to play more games than ever before. As long as he's healthy, which is yet another reason that I do think he breaks this between being at four home runs already, and he's going to play more games and he's currently hot. He's not going to stay this hot all year, but isn't there a world demo could hit 18 bombs this year?

[00:34:24] I actually don't think that's crazy. He needs 550 plate appearances. Is he going to get that? He might get 450. His career high is 441. That's when he hit, and that's not even a season he had 12 in, by the way. But he didn't have four this early either that year. No. Do you remember D Gordon one year had how many fought, like how many home runs did he have in the first year, 29, the first month of 2019?

[00:34:51] Like how many was it for if D Gordon and Dylan Moore participated in a home run derby, what's the discrepancy? That's a good question. Well, we'd have to see them hit in the batting cage to find out. Maybe D Gordon's a good, a good, a good BP home run hitter. I bring that up. Lyle gets the inside joke. Someone made me a bet as soon as D Gordon, I think hit four in that first month of 2019 and said, TJ D Gordon's going to hit double digit home runs this year. I could not shake his hand fast enough. And I want, of course,

[00:35:23] I think Dylan Moore can get to 15 to eight, somewhere between 15 and 20 bombs this year. I'm going to say career high. All right. That's fine. That's totally fine. Next question on Patreon. This one comes from Wayne. Wayne, thank you so much for the question. The question is what conditions would, uh, would be neat needed to be, well, quite what conditions would have to be created for Castillo to be traded. And I'll put the stipulation of traded this season. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:52] That changes the answer because if it's traded period, I think there's a real world. He's gone by the time that no trade clause expires on January 1st of 26, especially if there's a chance this year in a world this year, where Logan Evans gets real time in the rotation and he makes 10 to 12 big league starts this year. And the Mariners see enough from him where they say, yeah, we're, we are more than happy to have him in the back end of our rotation moving forward for a guy that's a lot cheaper than Luis. Yeah.

[00:36:20] They'll trade Luis this winter when that no trade clause goes up. So that's too easy. Right. I was going to say that's much too easy. I do. I did just want to preface that for people and say, there is a world that happens anyway, for this season, I still think it involves Logan Evans. It would have to come at the expense, unfortunately of somebody else, probably missing some time. Let's say one of the other starters,

[00:36:47] I don't even want to name any names because I don't want to pick out like anybody to get injured. Cause you don't want anybody in this rotation injured, but let's say somebody goes down for, you know, six to eight weeks and they miss a handful or two of starts and Logan Evans comes up in the summer because again, like I think he's going to make some more starts in Tacoma before we see him up in the big leagues. But let's say he comes up this summer and he pitches really well and he continues to build on what he's done in his last couple outings in Tacoma.

[00:37:15] Cause he just had another good outing the other day and he looks really good. And the Mariners are happy what they see from him. Stuff wise, command wise, everything is obviously controllable. And then you get said injured pitcher from the rotation back around the deadline. And then you're rolling out a starting five of a rotation that has Logan Evans in it. You could say to yourself, okay, we need bats. Somebody would take Luis Castillo because they need starting pitching.

[00:37:43] And we would flip him to go get offense. That is the scenario. You've got to see Logan Evans or Emerson Hancock. If he comes back and he really figures some stuff out this year, like take a step into a role where the Mariners feel comfortable enough with one of them, where they're just going to roll with them moving forward. And then you trade Castillo, but where this still gets hard is he'd have to say yes. Right. And that's the direction I approach this at. Actually, I listed some things off in order. I think would need to happen. If we're going to create conditions,

[00:38:12] let's create some conditions for him to get traded. The number one thing that would need to happen for him to get traded this season is that Luis Castillo would have to want to be traded. Number one. Number two, I do think it would require the Mariners falling actually out of contention. In this case, it would not be the Mariners out of need to go get a bat that he would get traded. I think it's that the Mariners would have to fall out of contention and Castillo would think his future is better on another team at that point.

[00:38:41] And then the third stipulation was that the Mariners think Logan Evans is ready to take over a rotation spot going into the future and what they believe in. There's some other things too, of like the budget shrinks and they really can't afford him and they get desperate or Castillo falls off. But I think the first three are pretty strong. And I think what would need to happen for him to be traded before his no trade clause expires. Once it expires though, Mariners already shopped him around last off season.

[00:39:07] I would be shocked if he's on this roster next year, unless the budget expands. I just don't see it. You probably gave the more reasonable thought out. Well, that's not true. Again, if Logan Evans pitches, well, there's a world of Mariners want him in the rotation, but it is more likely to your point that he would get traded in a world where they are losing and not contending than in a world where, if they are, even if Logan pitches great this year,

[00:39:36] if the Mariners are serious about winning, like they would continue to let Luis Castillo pitch through 2025 and then say to Logan, all right, come 2026, you're going to take on a real role here. But if the Mariners were to be in contention and then trade Luis Castillo, no matter what the circumstances, unless Luis has like a six ERA, which is not going to happen. That's going to look very Kendall Graveman ask. Actually, it would make Kendall Graveman look like a minor trade that was in,

[00:40:04] that was essentially a minor leaguer for a minor leaguer. Mariners trade Luis Castillo at the deadline when they're competing. Like that makes the Kendall Graveman trade look like a blip on a radar. There would be, that would be such a, I mean, such a complex topic. Like, first of all, it's, it's suck, but think of all the things that have to go wrong. So first of all, the Mariners decide they'd have to trade Luis Castillo while in a contention window, red flag. Number one, red flag. Number two,

[00:40:31] Luis Castillo wants to get traded off a contending team in the middle of a playoff run. Like think of all those things. It's like, Oh my God. And then number three, it's like, how are we going to deal with the fan insurrection at the ballpark? Dude, like legitimately, I know I love to talk about them and it's probably why I'm using this example, but this is probably the most, this is probably the most real I've gotten. No, that's not true. The Mariners are getting Kyle Tucker. Anyway, I'm going to stop talking and spilling on my words. I'm serious. When I say,

[00:41:00] unless the Mariners are trading Luis Castillo for Kyle Tucker and are trying to push for a world series this year, there is no trade where like people will shrug and say, all right, I'm, I'm good with this. There is going to be no player good enough that you will get back for Luis Castillo that you'd be happy trading him in season. I don't know. Sure. And again, there could be other guys that you would think in no world would be available for a trade that you could cook up. Sure. If the Mariners were going to trade Luis Castillo for Gunnar Henderson.

[00:41:30] Yes. Like you would do that. If you're going to trade Luis Castillo for Austin Riley, assuming he gets back to form this year. Sure. But not in a real world with guys that you expect to be available on the block at the trade deadline. There's no trade where people are going to be happy about it. Unless again, it was legitimately something like Luis for Kyle Tucker. Yeah. Even thinking of the trade we threw out earlier this week of the, the rumors from Nightingale about the young infielder, the name you threw out with Sedan Raffaella could be a super promising,

[00:42:00] fun player, but people would be pissed. You're like, you're not serious. It would be, it would be if we're going to be literal about it, Lyle would be Abraham Toro all over again. Yeah. Sedan Raffaella would have to be our Abraham Toro perhaps minus the hate for me. I was going to say, can you lean to it? Can you lead into another bit like that? No, I can't. There's only one ape. Oh yeah. And Raffaella,

[00:42:29] even though he's got a chance to be a really good player and there's a reason they got the extension because people believe his floor is a two and a half to three win player because of his speed and defense and versatility. He still has not been a league average bat in major league baseball really at any point. He's got to prove he can do that. So if the mayor is, we're going to trade Luis for him at the deadline. That is not a ringing endorsement. No, no, it's not. Okay. We got a couple to go. Actually, we have one to go, not a couple to go. We have our final question. This one does come from Instagram.

[00:42:58] It's from Mitchell. And again, we took one question from social media this week and like, there may be weeks where we take more, but again, guys, if you want your questions answered and you really want to hear us answer something, go sign up for our Patreon, go send us a mailbag question. Once you're signed up and that gets first priority. So if you really want to have us answer stuff, go over there and sign up for our Patreon. We'd love to have you. Okay. Mitchell from Instagram says, how awful do, do the platoon guys have to be for Cole Young, Colt Emerson,

[00:43:28] and Harry Ford to get called up before the all-star game? What would, what would your reaction be? If I said it, they're the platoon players performance, it would have nothing to do with it. I'd say you are absolutely right. Cause I think Cole Young, no matter how the players are performing at the big league level will be called up. If he performs in Tacoma, probably before the all-star break, Colt Emerson will not be called up before the all-star break,

[00:43:56] no matter how he plays or how the players on the major league roster play. And I don't think Harry Ford will be promoted based on how guys on the big league roster play. He's the most likely say Mitch Garver gets hurt or is just the worst hitter in major league baseball. Then maybe you sell yourself on it, but Harry Ford slugging two 60 into coma right now. There's, there is no world in which you would even look at a struggling Mitch Garver

[00:44:25] and replace him with Harry Ford at this very moment. So I appreciate the question, Mitchell, but I just don't see a scenario where the players in the minors get promoted because the players of the big league level stink. I think you're absolutely right on Cole Young. And I think you're absolutely right on Harry Ford. I think you perfectly said it. Those are the scenarios where there's two, where those two guys are getting up. I think we got to, um, I think we got to set some expectations for people about Colt Emerson,

[00:44:51] because this is far from the first question we've gotten about Colt in terms of what his timeline could be to Seattle. And when you could see him in a big league uniform, I want to set people's expectations with this. I would set yourself up to believe Colt Emerson will not be wearing a Seattle Mariners uniform in 2025. That is the expectation I would set for yourself. Now, is there a world you could talk yourself into where the Mariners are really in it?

[00:45:19] Colt Emerson's had an unbelievable season throughout the minors where he's crushed it in high. A he got moved up to double a early. He's hitting three 30 up in Arkansas. And the Mariners are looking at this and saying, could that be the one extra boost we need here in September and into the playoffs to really, really put this thing over the top. If Colt Emerson does what we expect him to do. Sure. There is a world for that. There is a world. I would not say it's a likely world. So that's why I say to people, I understand the excitement.

[00:45:48] We're excited. You should be excited. Colt Emerson might be the highest regarded Mariners prospect they've had in a few years now, since Julio. He is that he has the chance to be a real, real star player, but I would temper your expectations to believe he will not be in the big leagues in 2025. If people can set those expectations for themselves, it's probably going to be a lot easier of a pill to swallow when you likely don't see him this year. And that is for the best interest of Colt Emerson's development. Yeah.

[00:46:17] The realistic expectation is probably one year after hair, one year after Cole young. I would say that's probably a realistic expectation for him. Well, I would say after April 15th of 2026. Yeah. Right. Yes. I would say probably at least a year from now. That's a good answer. Well, there is a reason I use that date. Yeah. What am I missing something that go over my head? I think so.

[00:46:47] Well, yesterday was April 15th. What happens a couple of weeks into the season with prospects? Oh, well they get added an extra service year. It will be after April 15th of 2026. Well, there we go. And of course, unless he wins rookie of the year. Which if he comes up on May 1st, he still could. Yeah. That's yeah. That's not a, that's not out of the year. That's not out of, out of, that's not some crazy thing for Colt Emerson, but I would say he needs at least one year. Yeah.

[00:47:16] From this moment right now to come up and be a big leaguer at this point, let him hit, let him go get some minor league at bats. Let him stay healthy for a full season for crying out loud. And then we'll worry about him at the big league level. I think that's, that's very fair and reasonable. Yeah. That's the other thing too, guys with Colt is he missed a lot of time last year with injuries. So he hasn't played that many minor league games. And he was a young high school prospect. And he's still only in high a right now. He's killing it in high a,

[00:47:44] but he's only in high a. So sure. I'll say it one more time. There is a world, a small percentage world where you could see Colt in the big leagues at the end of the year. I would say it's unlikely. Yeah. Well, great mailbag guys. Appreciate the questions again. Now we're doing mailbags every single Friday here on this podcast. Appreciate it. If you want priority, like Lyle said, go sign up for our patron, but we'll also be soliciting from Instagram, from YouTube, from Twitter, from all of our social platforms,

[00:48:13] trying to get you guys involved every single week. There's so much to talk about with this team. And we appreciate you guys bringing these ideas to us. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, it's cool that not only do people want to ask about the big leaguers, but I think it's cool. Fans are as tuned in on the prospects and as minor leaguers, as Mariners fans. And honestly, fans in baseball really ever have been. So it's a, it's a pretty cool dynamic that they have, that we can answer questions all across the farm, which is really fun. Before we get to a little bit more on the farm though, let's take a pause here.

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[00:49:13] all from two to 6 PM Monday through Friday. Those are long happy hours and they're good deals. Two to 6 PM Monday through Friday. Drinks are three and four bucks. All of that is over at Pagatch's pub 85 in Kirkland. All right, let's go down on the farm. Lyle, who is your standout Mariners prospect of the week? I went with a unique name and probably not a household name, but he's off to a red hot start. So I wanted to highlight them guy by the name of Ricardo Kova.

[00:49:41] So he has just made his way into affiliated ball as of the last. Well, he got a little bit of time last year. He played about 30 games in Modesto last year, and he's back in Modesto to start the year young, 20 years old, international guy, but man, is he off to a hot start to begin the year in 10 games. He is hitting three 48, nine 77 OPS. He has a one 60 WRC plus and seven extra base hits.

[00:50:10] So guy that's kind of flown under the radar and is, is not a blue chip Mariners prospect as we currently speak. But when guys play well in the minors and they have big weeks, we want to highlight it. So shout out Ricardo Kova. And shout out our guy, Luis, who we met down in Peoria, Luis Sanchez, who is very familiar. He'll roam the backfields down a lot of complexes at, at spring training, he tipped us off. I was like, Hey guys, like pay attention to this dude. He's a, he's pretty good. And he's off to a good start this year. We love to see that. Shout out to you, Luis too.

[00:50:41] I'm going to go with a little bit more of a well-known name. Lyle, I think you've heard of this guy before Lazaro Montez. Yeah. You want to guess what Laz is doing this year? He's always only off to a 1200 OPS, three home runs. He's walked more than he struck out. This dude is, yeah, he's sitting pretty well at Everett. Remember that lowly at never last year? Well, he got off to a slow start and he was striking out a lot. I'd say he's put that behind him. I could say so here. Get this.

[00:51:10] Lazaro Montez in Everett since August 1st of last year has a 193 WRC plus 1100 OPS, a 20% walk rate and only a 24% strikeout rate. That's pretty good. I'd still love to see that strikeout rate climb down a little bit because if that's what it's at in high A, I do wonder what it's going to look like when he gets to double A and the pitching takes the big step forward.

[00:51:39] Cause that's the biggest jump you make in the minors, right? Is, is high A to double A. So I would still love to see the strikeouts come down a bit, but everything else, man, how could you not be fired up for Laz? Yeah. And you'd think going to double A to pitchers, throw more strikes. So he's not going to walk 20% of the time. Guys are going to, guys are going to throw more pitches in the strike zone and he's got to hit it. But in terms of Everett, he keeps this up. As you told me pre-recording, he's not staying in Everett much longer.

[00:52:08] I don't think a lot of those guys are going to be in Everett much longer. Well, I shouldn't say all of them, but Colt, Laz, and if he puts the slow start behind a Michael Arroyo, you will probably see those guys in double A pretty soon. Yeah. But then guys like Johnny will be up, we assume at the end of the year in Everett once he gets healthy. Well, Johnny's way ahead of schedule on his rehab. Yeah. Johnny,

[00:52:35] Johnny may be ready to go by like end of May. They said, I would still guess Johnny plays the rest of the season in Everett though, given that he hasn't played at Everett before. Oh, you mean play in Everett. I thought you meant get back on the field. No, he's obviously coming back this year. I would imagine if you're bummed, say you, you don't go to an Everett game until June and you might miss out on Colt, Laz, and Michael, Johnny will probably be back that in. And he's, he's a blast to watch too. Yeah. He should be back by then. And then you,

[00:53:05] like you said, Everett will still have exciting prospects throughout the year. Cause yeah, when Farmelo comes back and that's who we're talking about is, is Johnny Farmelo. He should be in Everett. Typeet will most likely spend most of the year in Everett. I would assume, I mean, if they'll need Celestine and keeps playing well, look, he'll spend his due time in Modesto, but he may see some time in Everett this year, the way Colt did at the end of last year, or you may see filming up in Everett toward the end of the summer. So yeah, I mean, Everett's going to have guys come through that system this year and come

[00:53:35] through that team. So it's going to be pretty cool. And we didn't even mention the pitchers. Oh yeah. I mean, it's tough to say how long Durangelo is going to be there. It's all about what he does with the left hand pitching wise and how long the Mariners want to keep letting him develop from that side. I don't really know what warrants a Durangelo promotion to double A because as well as he might throw from the right side, I don't know how much of the promotion has to do with the left side. So you would assume he won't be there that long because he's an SEC

[00:54:01] college arm who had a lot of success and is pretty polished, but yeah, I don't like, like he's, I don't think he'll be there that long, but he may not go up at the same time as Colt and Laz. Yeah. Let's close out the show. Lyle with our Russell Wilson umpire of the week. Let me tell you, it is not often as we say on here that we promote umpires positively on this segment,

[00:54:27] but I need to tip my hypothetical cap that I am not wearing right now. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see that Mark Rippager, Rippingger, Ripper, juror. I think it's Rippager. Oh, perfect. Thank you. Lyle. You're better at pronunciations than I am. Anyway, he called the second ever perfect game last week in a Royals twins game. The first one, uh, the first one was Pat Hoberg in the world series in 2022,

[00:54:56] where he called the perfect game behind the plate between the Astros and the Phillies, but Rippager, they say that right. Mm-hmm. Good. Uh, had the second one this past week. So that's awesome. And he's getting a shout out here in a Russell Wilson umpire of the week. And he's the first Lyle to do it while not betting on games, man. So we're giving this award to somebody who threw a great moon ball this week. We're highlighting the positive traits of Russ here on this segment.

[00:55:25] It's not about can't see over the middle and is insufferable. And all those things. It's like, no, like these are the positive Russ traits we're highlighting this week. Moon balls and resiliency and health and a super bowl. Shout out Mark Rippager. Like perfect game. Like, look, umpires suck. And we'll always, and we'll continue to say that every week on this show for the most part, but when an empire calls a perfect game, like tip your cap, it's noteworthy.

[00:55:53] It's really hard to do. Given there have been two ever challenges. Yeah. Challenge system. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's coming soon. It is coming soon. That is really cool though. Again, like, I mean, that is more rare than pitchers throwing a perfect game. Now there isn't enough data to know how many perfect games have been called in the history of umpires. Cause we haven't had the umpire scorecards for that long, but yeah, really impressive. So we need more of them. Yeah.

[00:56:23] At angel Hernandez at CB Buckner at Laz Diaz at whoever else. Do you see Hunter Wendelstead? Remember the dude who threw Aaron Boone out of the game last year? Yes. Yes. Yes. You see, he got hit in the head with a line drive this week. Oh, I think I did see that. Yeah. That is, that's tough. Yeah. Well, it's tough out there. Gotta watch, gotta keep your eyes on a swivel. Yeah, you do. All right. Well, that's our Russell Wilson umpire of the week. And that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. You guys know,

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[00:57:23] 11 a.m. Start 12 p.m. Watch party immediately following for Mariners, Blue Jays. We're going to have a ton of giveaways. We're going to do trivia, going to take your questions. We're all going to watch the game together. Really. It's going to be a blast. And we really hope to have you guys out there. So if you can make it and you have time, please come on out. We would love to have you. It's going to be really, really fun. It's over at Queen Anne beer hall. Again, 11 a.m. Saturday, April 19th. All right. That's TJ. I'm Lyle. As always, we thank you guys for tuning in. We'll talk to you soon.