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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Phone episode number 347 of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We welcome on four or major league picture.
00:05 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You might have heard of him.
00:06 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He threw a perfect game Dallas, Brandon also a content creator with underdog fantasy also here on the A's broadcast.
00:13 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about the Mariners this upcoming season in 2026.
00:15 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the moves they've made this off season and which pictures he likes watching the most.
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01:09 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Music And we look new to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:15 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Recording here on Monday evening, January 5th,
01:19 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything going on, Lyle?
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We missed anything.
01:25 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I did searching far and wide in the Mariners verse.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Real, real far and wide.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I've come up with.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll start funny first and then nice.
01:35 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Funny, Daniel Vogelbach is now a hitting coach in Major League Baseball.
01:41 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: How electric would it be if the Mariners hired him in the future as one of their hitting coaches?
01:46 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he made his one all star game in.
01:49 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_02]: See, Adam, there you go.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a thing or two.
01:52 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't ask about the team that was around him, but yes, he made the All-Star game.
01:58 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He was dragging that 2019 Mariners team to a 94 losses.
02:06 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Full transparency, this was obviously years before we started the podcast, but TJ and I, when we were in college at ASU, when we knew the Mariners were going to be bad that year, we had a massive, and by massive, I mean, between the two of us in our friend group, tank for torque campaign, or we are campaigning for the Mariners to lose every game possible, to get Spencer Torkelson, as two people who watched them all the time at ASU and was like the greatest college enter we'd ever seen.
02:29 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: ended up being okay that they didn't get them.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been good, but maybe not like generational.
02:35 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really funny, is it might have worked if they didn't start that season 13 and two?
02:40 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, because after they started 13 and two, they went, um, 55 and 92, do I have that right?
02:49 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds right.
02:50 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: probably a hundred lost pace.
02:52 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I might have gotten the job done.
02:53 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It probably would have.
02:55 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, Torx still had dirty homer seasons.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, man, we love Emerson.
03:00 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson's one of the like OG friends of the pod.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's okay that it worked out that way.
03:07 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Any other news?
03:09 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say the only other news is who he was doing a lot of charity stuff back in the DR that's really nice But it's been cool to see very cool like you did he helped run away to hold baseball field down in his hometown And he put in a cafeteria.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There's now new turf.
03:23 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's lights all this stuff very cool and it's all his own money It comes out of right out of his pocket right very cool
03:32 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then aside from that, I saw Kate Marlow's sign with the A's here on Monday.
03:35 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a minor league deal, but there was obviously no spot for him to play on the Mariners.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So now he's with the A's.
03:42 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Really nice, dude.
03:42 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, another all-time good dude, Kate Marlow.
03:45 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So hope it works out for him.
03:47 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're another piece of breaking news today that I, uh, some awards came in.
03:52 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
03:53 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So the N-N-S-M-A came out.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They do it with every state, and then they do it nationally.
03:59 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They choose their sportscaster and sports writer of the year and every state.
04:04 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: For the Mariners, Aaron Goldsmith, wins sportscaster and for the sports writer, it's Ryan Divish.
04:13 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
04:13 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm laughing because I would love to ask Goldy the question of, how does it feel?
04:20 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: to be presented, and honor so prestigious that you are in the same breath as a man who took four months off this year.
04:28 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And then middle of the season, you know.
04:36 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a sign, ladies and gentlemen, if you get PTO and your job gives you PTO, use it.
04:44 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's well worth it and Ryan is one of the best writers.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: We have out there.
04:49 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He is our favorite beat writer for a reason Absolutely deserves this award, but Given they gave it to him the year.
04:56 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He decided to take four months off in the middle of the season to coach baseball Is and and given how much shit he gives the two of us?
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem sitting on here and saying yes
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Dimash, how was your 2025?
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh great, I took four months off and wanted a ward.
05:17 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha.
05:17 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's got to go up in the Manel Front and Center.
05:19 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, it's best work from an efficiency standpoint.
05:22 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:23 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, this is a man who when we saw him down in Orlando at the Winter Meetings.
05:28 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't see him till later on the first night when everybody's in the hotel bar on night one.
05:33 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He sees us from across the room.
05:35 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He clearly had been chatting up with a bunch of people at that point and it was clearly in a decent mood because he looks over.
05:41 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got this goofy smile on his face.
05:42 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He takes one step forward and then just turns his hand and flips the bird.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of a kind.
05:50 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one of a kind.
05:50 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember a problem on here sitting here and saying, yeah, you want to reward and took four months off.
05:55 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want me to get serious for a second, I think it goes without saying, and nobody listening to this needs the two of us to say for them to know for themselves that
06:04 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Goal the end damage are two of the best of what they do.
06:06 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So to see them win awards is very deserved and obviously always really cool hard workers and pretty universally love to in the state, which means it's very Very deserving that you get awards like that, but they're done dynamic given the years pretty funny.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Very very.
06:24 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps to them, that's probably the biggest mariners news of the day because
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were doing a little searching before this.
06:31 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, anything we talked about before Dallas, and uh, well, not really, I think the other big a story as we got to sit out and talk to Dallas, Braden.
06:41 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a whole lot of Mariners news out there, but the interview with Dallas was really, really fun.
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the man is everybody.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure knows.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'll hear it through this interview.
06:49 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a blast.
06:51 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas gets to get a really up close and personal look at the Mariners a lot of the season given that he broadcast for the A's and that's what he gets to do most of the season.
07:00 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He's gotten this wonderful niche carved out in in his media Escape he got into this business initially wanting to get on TV
07:10 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I started ESPN, then gets hired by the A's, then starts starting nine on bar stool with Jerk Krabbas front of the podcast, and then they move over to draft kings and then underdog to where they now do baseball as dead.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_02]: On there, he's got this cool thing on YouTube called the slab lab, which is super dope.
07:29 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He talks with all the best pictures in major league baseball, including Brian Wu, his longest conversation is most watch conversation on there is with Brian
07:39 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun one to check out.
07:41 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's really diversified himself and he talks a little about how he got to this point and who he thinks To help him get get to this and have a platform, but I'll just say We're happy to have him in this profession because he's very good at what he does.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a really good talker.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a great voice
07:58 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: it is no surprise that he made it in media and has made a real name for himself in baseball media because he does two things well he does many things extremely well but what jumps out when you watch Dallas do any baseball media related stuff he is charismatic and very funny and he is really smart if you can do all those things you're probably destined to be good at baseball media
08:19 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get to Dallas, do you want to re-net?
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do that.
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08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We won't keep you guys any longer.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get you to the interview with Dallas Frieden.
09:03 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, we've got four major league pitcher, perfect game artist, MLB content creator, a broadcaster, Dallas Frieden on with us Dallas.
09:12 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: How's it going?
09:12 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: What does an offseason look like for you?
09:15 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, thanks for having me boys and congratulations on all your success, love to see the pod doing well, love to see your guys as face is all over the internet cover and the mariners and much more so congratulations.
09:28 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: busy man busy as a as a father of three the really is no off season if you will baseball just stops getting played and life continues to roll on so Jason three little rod rats around but it's it's been a lot of fun this off season has been um
09:46 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: particularly interesting just because I think of all the moves that we're trying to keep up with and follow as as content creators as podcasters And then you know, I think it's fair to say that as we sit right now, there's a little bit of a low there's still some big free agents out there that
10:01 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I know everybody's interested to see where they end up landing, but for me it's been a lot of traveling between Southern California and Northern California and just trying to figure out different ways to keep myself busy outside of what I'm typically doing.
10:17 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: This offseason and here starting in the next week or so, I will rant back up my card-breaking channel.
10:24 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So for those who are interested in baseball cards and we've kicked around the idea of branching out to do football and basketball But I really like to keep it centered on things that I'm extremely passionate about.
10:36 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys know this.
10:37 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I like baseball a little bit So I kind of focus there But that'll be ramped up so go check out Dallas brains clubhouse for for for more insight on that will be on eBay live kicking that off
10:48 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, man, just trying to just try to get the card collection in order and and being a dad, I'm I'm able to get back on the mats and jujitsu, which is nice because I've been I was down for a while.
11:00 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So just just staying physically active really.
11:04 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've got a pretty cool collection of cards as you are telling us because we'll ask you about it in a little bit, but you through a perfect game, you're one of 24 players to ever throw a perfect game in Major League Baseball and you've found a way to sort of collect a piece of history in that line with all those other guys that that have done it alongside with you.
11:27 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So did you tell us a little bit more about what that is.
11:30 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think that's probably why I had a little bit of an unfair advantage in the clip that you'll probably show a little later, but yeah, I have every battery of every perfect game ever thrown.
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So picture catch your combo.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got their card.
11:47 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: From the 1800s all the way up to Domingo Hermann and Kyle Hogashioca, the last battery to throw a perfect game in Major League Baseball.
11:56 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got each and every one of their cards.
11:58 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Same year, base set.
12:00 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's nothing crazy.
12:01 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to make sure that I was able to kind of obtain the same card per se from the early ones all the way through.
12:10 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't want to get a
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: non-refractor, non-parallel for another.
12:16 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to kind of keep it as simple as possible and the best way to do that was collect their base cards of that year that they threw the perfect game in, so I do.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got each and every one of those guys.
12:27 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we start diving into baseball, I didn't know you did jujitsu.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: When did that start?
12:32 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, well, so I got my daughters into jujitsu, who, what?
12:37 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say five years ago, or so.
12:40 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And after their first year, you know, I was, I would go to what's called family roles, which is where you can go and roll around with your kids.
12:49 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had a lot of fun doing it.
12:51 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I was always weary because, I mean, I've had a shoulder that's been operated on and replaced and like it's just,
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: it's not super stable in there.
12:59 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was always very weary about exposing my arm to something like that.
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was just something I said, you know what?
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What else am I doing?
13:11 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to be active and I feel like this is a great way to not only get on the same page as what my children are doing, because I love to watch them be active and it's something that we do together, something that we
13:26 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I've been I've been training for I'd say often on three years or so, but man, like I've again, I've encountered my fair share of injuries.
13:38 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And as baseball season kicks off, there's not a ton of places, not a ton of gyms that I can find on the road to go to.
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you are, you know, if you are committed to one gym, what's nice is if it's a bigger gym, like a more commercialized gym, like the one that I go to,
13:56 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's places along the way that you can stop off and go to, but for the most part, you know, during the baseball season, it's tough just because of the schedule.
14:04 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on the road with the team every game.
14:06 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I'm at home, I have things like the podcast three days a week.
14:09 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got live watch going on.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Baseball card stuff.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not as easy as it is in the off season.
14:16 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So realistically, I say three years, but it's probably been a total of nine months when you put it all together.
14:27 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had some good conversations with with with family really yeah because I know I know he trains I'm I'm not sure to what extent or or which discipline that he's well I know he does like MMA So he's probably doing some kickboxing he's probably boxing and I don't I don't do any striking sports It's strictly jujitsu for me So you'd be more on the defense it sounds like
14:52 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fans in absolute animal like let's be real.
14:54 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That dude is what is he like six two probably 215 220 pounds I'm Six one 180 pounds 180 like it's just we're yeah, we're different human beings.
15:07 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would definitely Definitely be looking to pull guard and I'd be looking for a limb somewhere probably just just frame it up and and open to Open to write him around somewhere
15:18 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that rare to have a player train in another sport like that, that much, that like physical of a sport because some guys like hunting or mookie bets loves bowling, but terms of like fighting, baseball players don't seem like for the most part of fighting type.
15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean this in the most sincere way, and it's because I know Tommy, and I do, I love him.
15:41 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing normal about Tommy, so like, you're not telling that dude that he can't do anything.
15:47 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
15:48 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he wants to go and do something, he's going to go and do it.
15:52 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's done a great job of being responsible about it as well because, you know, there's certain limitations you're going to have to put on yourself, understanding that you don't want to expose yourself.
16:01 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it is.
16:03 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: is something that you don't see a lot of players do, former current, but I think nowadays we are.
16:09 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We're starting to see that pick up a little where players are after their done playing, they're looking for different outlets, right, looking for different ways to stay in shape.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's something
16:23 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: For me, the draw to it is I'm a rookie all over again, right.
16:27 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I am not too proud and I am not too, I'm not, I'm smart enough to know what I don't know.
16:36 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And so starting over from the very beginning and learning, you know, like this morning, I got up and rolled and I'm asking questions to a 17 year old, right?
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not because
16:48 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: it's because he knows more about what's going on than I do.
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't care where the information is coming from.
16:55 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to learn and you know, it just just so happens that you might end up getting choked out or get your arm armed ripped off in the process of learning, which you know, if you're sadistic, you know, that might, might excite you a little bit.
17:11 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to start to dive into some Mariners baseball talk a little bit here Dallas, which is why it's great to have you on because you have a couple of unique angle points if that's not only obviously your former player, but you cover all 30 teams through baseball's dead, which is your national baseball podcast, but you also get to see the Mariners up close and personal about 20 times a year, broadcasts and all these games for the A's.
17:32 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So the team obviously had a pretty massive year this past season in 25, and with you getting
17:41 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you feel like you saw things change in what you got to see from the team going from good and competitive to really taking that next step?
17:51 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know you can mention the success of the team without mentioning the successful season of Cal Rally without that being the obvious answer though.
17:59 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you have to look at some, some other guys who, look, I think as Julio Rodriguez who, for all the right reasons, is a guy that people naturally gravitate towards.
18:12 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there has still been, and I'm not going to say a little, I'm going to say a lot left.
18:16 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: to be desired with Julio because the expectations have been so high since he entered the league.
18:22 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And whether or not he's lived up to that or not, I'm not ready to say yes or no to that.
18:26 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I am ready to say and I've been saying that when this dude hits that superstar gear, the gear that I think we all know he's capable of and just from outside his perspective, look forward to watching him hit.
18:40 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he look out like it's it's going to be magical because that's a dude who I think, when he's able to put it all together, you see a guy who can carry a team for a spell, which is very difficult to do in the game of baseball.
18:55 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, from the pitching perspective.
18:58 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's anything that you guys, and anybody who's watched the team closely isn't aware of, and I mean it's a huge reason, and I said this going into the season.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I expected the Mariners pitching staff, and specifically the rotation.
19:14 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: to do enough to force the hand of the Mariners front office, meaning they go out and live up to their expectation.
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They go out and do what we all expect them to do.
19:24 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to put themselves, meaning the team in a position where the executives are going to have to supplement what they're doing from an offensive perspective, right?
19:33 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You go and get nailer, you add him to the equation.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to like.
19:40 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think from the mayor's perspective about what this group entirely can bring to the table guy like Robless I mean there's there's weapons there in my opinion there's weapons and and we can talk about the back into the bullpen all you want with moon knows that dude is absolutely filthy
19:55 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there's, there's a lot to like about what the Mariners are, I think, not only positioning themselves to do, but should they continue to perform the way they are capable of on the mound?
20:07 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the same story goes this year as did last year.
20:09 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them put themselves in a position where they figure out different ways to get better from an offensive perspective and see what that can do because the division this season, I think, is going to be a lot more competitive than it really has ever been.
20:23 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you make the rest of the division?
20:25 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it who do you think is the second best team in the American League West besides the Mariners?
20:31 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, sure.
20:32 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, besides the Mariners.
20:34 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if I'm to look right now, Dallas, I've told Low right now.
20:38 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We both think they need one more move, like Brendan Donovan, for example.
20:42 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But even right now, yeah, even right now, I look at the rest of the American League West.
20:47 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see a team that's better than the Mariners right now, but I do see some teams that could be the second best team.
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think is?
20:53 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I mean, we just watched Houston make a move, right, with them signing e-mye.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that that helps.
21:00 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to think that the athletics are going to be a lot more competitive than what they were last year.
21:05 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I always go back to that to the month, right, the the the one month of the A's had a down month.
21:12 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You lose 22 ball games like it.
21:14 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost in a row, it's tough to come back from a hole like that with that being said the ace have to pitch And so they're probably gonna have to get a little better on the starting side of things They're probably gonna have to figure out some bullpen depth as well because that line-up absolutely bangs and I always look at things much like everybody does from a run production and a run prevention perspective And while they might be able to produce runs at some point in time You have to prevent the other team from scoring runs
21:41 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: or at least as many runs as you're scoring and so until they can kind of put those two things together the athletics are maybe on the outside looking in of that second place part of the division so I do I think that might be something that you look at the Houston Astros is hey this has been a team that has been division stalwarts for a long time and I think they recognize that as well they've got it
22:03 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: outstanding ace in a hundred brown Christian hobbyers not not too shabby himself and now you've got emy who I believe want to sell more award so like this is these are these are dudes on the mound so I think the Astros could very well be in that conversation
22:20 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you this, you talk about the Mariners still needing to find ways to add offense.
22:25 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They've basically been linked to three different names, all at different points of the offseason, but we feel like we basically gone in a circle at this point, just a revolving door, talking about the same couple names.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll ask you what you think.
22:38 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Could tell Marta, Nico Horner, Brendan Donovan.
22:41 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Of those three guys, is there one move that jumps out to you that says, oh, the Mariners should go do that.
22:47 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I mean, think about versatility, bring in Donovan.
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He can play out, feel writing and playing field.
22:52 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Marta is arguably one of the best, if not the best, middle and fielders in baseball.
23:01 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think either one of those dudes bring a lot to the table.
23:06 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Marta might be the scale tipper, but I do think about the versatility of Donovan, and I mean, there's some pop there.
23:16 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it might be martyred by a slight edge, but like I, for whatever reason, Donovan just kind of donovan excites me, that move, that move intrigues me.
23:25 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: What would of your guys' thoughts been, not to turn the microphone on you, but what of your guys' thoughts been?
23:30 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we love doing the back and forth, yeah, and to answer your question, here's where it gets interesting with Catel Marte.
23:37 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt that if you're just looking from a pure talent perspective, that's the guy, right?
23:42 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been a top 10 hitter in the sport each of the last two years.
23:46 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think where it gets a little dicey is, well, I'd say two points.
23:51 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: One, some of the internal stuff that you obviously have to think about, and for a Mariners Clubhouse, it's very tight knit, does the Marta Factor potentially add an element that you may or may not want in your Clubhouse.
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would only be for people with inside information to know.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But number two is,
24:08 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The Diamondbacks are basically asking for big league starting pitching back for Marta.
24:13 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're the Mariners, do you want to give up anybody in your rotation for them?
24:16 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough pill to swallow if the answer is yes.
24:19 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it's always tough, especially when you're dealing from a position of strength and you're not really sure what comes behind that, meaning your starting rotation is the strength of the club.
24:33 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: From there, do the front office, believe that there are arms, excuse me, arms in waiting that could come up and be of instant impact because to say goodbye to one of those guys, you're going to need to be able to plug somebody in.
24:48 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't want to miss a beat.
24:51 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what a move like Marta probably represents is we're going to have to say goodbye to somebody that we have leaned on heavily to get us to where we're at right now.
25:01 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think Marta would absolutely be a positive ad, much like some of the other guys that you mentioned, and maybe there's just not as much that you have to give up with Donovan if you're going that route.
25:14 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
25:14 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think price is everything to do with Donovan because it's the versatility is great, but you can you can get better.
25:21 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You can lengthen your line up and you don't have to make your big league roster worse at all.
25:26 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that's a that's a huge selling point for a team that has as many top 100 prospects as as the Mariners do and they should be high on their starting pitching because think of how far Dallas they went last year and their starting pitching was
25:43 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I mean, you know, because what happened, it was Kirby who was down for a while, right?
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was in the training while yeah.
25:53 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So like you, you don't have some of those guys as consistently as you would like, but I mean, I mean, all these dudes when they are healthy, I mean, they are top tier, they are frontline arms, you know, like you're going to need some
26:12 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's a name that you'd be willing to start to entertain parting ways with knowing what you have in some of the other arms, but it's one of those things where it is.
26:24 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to deal from the place that you feel like has been a big part of the engine that has powered the machine.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_02]: What's one of those guys is your favorite to watch?
26:34 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu.
26:35 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's just, you know what you're getting.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: you know what you're getting.
26:42 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what he's giving you.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what you're getting.
26:45 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, he is just, he feels like he is as cool and as calm and as collected out there on the mound.
26:51 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I, I mean, I, I've been able to get to know him pretty well.
26:56 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And like this is a dude that has a fire that burns hot inside.
27:01 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: hot.
27:03 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to dominate and he has, I mean, we set down, I do this, I do this like, I'm sort of side podcast, but it's a spin off of baseball as dead.
27:16 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called a slab lab.
27:18 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had Brian Wu in the slab lab, and we talked about his, his mental approach to the craft, and he said, there's no reason to not look at this like it's an offensive game, meaning what I'm doing on the mound.
27:34 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm forcing the issue.
27:36 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm attacking.
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I am not playing defense.
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys behind me are playing defense.
27:41 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to hunt.
27:43 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And and that's what I always talk about is is having a hunter mentality out there on the mound and for me Brian Wu has a hunter mentality Logan Gilbert Logan Gilbert is a lot of fun to watch too I mean just the you know the the wind up the the late kick the hands.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the nasty nasty
28:03 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: like it's just there's there's a lot to like about Gilby as well but for me for my money it's Brian Wu if I had to pick one but I mean one two I mean there's arguably not a better one two in baseball when those two dudes are dialing it up.
28:18 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody needs a sales pitch on the slab lab, by the way, Dallas has crushed it with this thing.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to give them another quick plug here.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, Terak Scoobal on, he's had Paul schemes on, he's had coal riggins on, like all the dudes across the game that are big time starting pitchers.
28:33 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Dallas has had on the slab lab.
28:34 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you need to check it out, which includes an interview with Brian Wu, you should absolutely go do it.
28:39 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you that about this Brian Wu interview, would you answer a lot of questions about it?
28:44 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: About what was your takeaway and sounds like you talked about what the amazing mentality is.
28:49 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm curious, either from your insight as a picture or from talk into them.
28:53 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you pick up anything of how in the world everybody knows what's coming when you're facing them?
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And they still can't hit it.
29:01 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: with what the it's the difference between control and command he has the ability to put the baseball definitively where he wants and he understands what the baseball looks like coming in to the hitter so he understands pitch presentation.
29:16 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: what the hitters sing, how much of the baseball the hitters sing, the life on the ball and what it's doing.
29:22 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He understands how his ball is being tracked to and through the strike zone.
29:27 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you understand who you are to that extent and what you are presenting,
29:32 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: then you have a pretty good idea of how to start to navigate different swings and, you know, not to get too nerdy on this, but when you understand what your vertical approach angle is, and you understand your ability to carry the baseball.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you start to have the ability to run the baseball a little bit.
29:50 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what that looks like at the bottom of the zone,
29:57 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you're playing a different game out there than a lot of the other arms that these guys are facing.
30:04 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not to say that other pictures don't understand who they are and what their stuff looks like in how it plays.
30:09 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This is giving credit to Brian Wu who understands on a high, high level.
30:15 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: on how he is attacking the strike zone and what his pitch presentation looks like and how it differs from what other individuals are seeing.
30:25 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So to be able to know thyself to the extent that he does and know how his stuff plays for me that's one of the key separators there and again the difference between command and control.
30:35 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: controlling the baseball is being able to throw strikes, commanding the baseball is strikes where you want balls when you want and where you want when you want.
30:46 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is what Brian Wu is capable of doing on a level that maybe some other guys are just not quite out.
30:52 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anyone else you've talked to who's that dialed in on themselves like Brian Wu?
30:58 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: there's a there's a lot of guys are i mean like what what my favorite interviews uh... was with kyle hindricks the professor i mean we're talking about a righty who's dialing up all of eighty nine to ninety one ish here and there uh... he's got fifteen different changes i i mean i could have talked to him
31:16 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: until the until the end of the game like we can just set up a couple of little screens and left us off on the side of the field They could have played a whole game and I would have had no idea that baseball was going on That's how locked in I was to everything that he had to say because I've been it in admirer of his from afar for a very long time And to be able to sit down with him and talk to him and
31:35 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: he understands and this is where you start to get into you know understanding ball flight like I talked about with Brian where you just you know what your stuff looks like and how it's playing but you also have a really good and a a depth of understanding from a hitters perspective and I've always encouraged guys
31:54 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: These days too, if you can't go sit in on a hitters meeting, just be the fly on the wall and listen to the things that they're talking about when they start to go over their scouting reports, right?
32:04 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: What a guy likes to do, what they're looking for, why they're looking for it when they start to look for these things because we all have tendencies and it's about being able to hone in on those and from there, how do you expose those and from a pictures perspective.
32:18 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: you have to have an understanding of what these hitters do well, what they can get to, what they struggle with, and then in a visual way, but we also have the physical ability to do this now, is overlay the heat maps, right?
32:32 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I do well, here's what they do well,
32:36 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: how do those things blend, and where am I going to be able to find my honey hole?
32:40 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Where am I going to be able to find my ounce, and just because their heat map might be red in this spot, yours might, here's might be purple, which means that's about as hot as it gets, right?
32:51 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go there, because you're a big leader, there's a reason you're here.
32:56 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: let's attack with the weapons that you have.
32:59 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to start taking arrows out of our quiver just because that heat map tells us a story.
33:05 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: All that can tell us is this is where we have to be just that much more careful.
33:09 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: For me, if I'm trying to instill confidence in these guys, this is an understanding of who you are.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to stray away from this.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to be cognizant of it.
33:18 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to be aware of it.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But, damn it, you do this well too.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, he's a guy.
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I, Scoob will you mention, Lyle.
33:24 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and thank you very much for the acknowledgement, because having those guys on, I think has encouraged other guys to have these kind of high-level pitching conversations.
33:33 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and Scoob will,
33:35 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I have jokingly said one of the most if not the most competitive dude I've been around in a long time like he was like from a minute as eyes opened that day I was with him and we were he was racing his trainer.
33:51 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: to the field, racing his trainer, to the gym, like, like, I just, I don't want to be last.
33:56 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want every single thing he does, there's a competitive fire burning in this dude that is unextinguishable.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's insane.
34:06 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Talking to Zach Galen, he talked about his ability to read swings and how that developed.
34:11 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I always just go back to these guys having an understanding of what their stuff does and how it plays, but also having a really good understanding of who their opponent is and what they do well and where they might be able to expose some of their weaknesses.
34:25 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's incredible that we're comparing Brian Wu and how he thinks about his mechanics and how he understands this stuff as much as someone who the way he gets guys out because he doesn't have the pure velocity and stuff to get swing and miss in Kyle Hendrix, someone who has to totally understand the way he's pitching.
34:45 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So you take like the Kyle Hendrix understanding and you put it in someone with plus plus stuff in Brian Wu,
34:53 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like no wonder you get an all-star, like no wonder it's like as soon as it clicked he's he's just gonna be go out there He's gonna dominate because like he is in complete control and that honestly that kind of blows my mind The only thing I wonder for you Dallas from what you could take away.
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_02]: How does it guy like that get better?
35:11 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's his ability to identify things that he knows about himself that he wants to tighten up and he can identify them from external sources or in external sources.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You go back and watch that interview.
35:26 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He talks about watching each real play catch and how he watches throwing mechanics and was feeling a little something with his arm, you know, going through some arm stuff and was like, you know what?
35:37 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me take some of that, let me apply that to what I'm trying to do here, see if I can't clean some things up.
35:45 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So as arm path is arm swing, you start to make some adjustments, and it's because you watched a Hall of Famer play catch, you watched each row play catch, and you applied that to his work on the mound and his throwing program.
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: and what do you know?
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He starts to feel a little better.
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Things start to come out a little cleaner.
36:03 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one more box that he can check mentally that he doesn't have to worry about, and he just moves on.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just that much better today.
36:10 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's scary about dudes like that.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: they are physically gifted.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the tools physically, but he's also got the brain power.
36:20 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He also knows how to apply what he's seeing, and he's not too proud to tell himself, I don't need this.
36:28 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need that.
36:28 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's every bit of the sponge that you would want a young player to be, and he's the sponge that he is while creating him and turning himself into an
36:40 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: and he knows what he needs to.
36:41 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had this conversation a bunch about who versus the rest of the pitching staff, where there's no right or wrong way to go about it, but Logan Gilbert, we always call a mad scientist, for example, because he is always tinkering.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He's always adding pitches.
36:53 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's had nine different pitches that in his arsenal, one point at least in spring training and I think Cal told him a couple of them were probably not gonna use.
37:01 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But Logan always likes to try and tinker with his pitches
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: add new things, try and get better.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Kirby's done a little bit of it.
37:08 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller's done a little bit of it, but woo, it's here's what I got.
37:13 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I know what works for me and people aren't hitting it, so I'm just going to stick with my stuff.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fascinating.
37:18 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just a testament to, like I always go back to, it's a testament to knowing where and how you can go about your business, understanding and respecting your opponent, but not giving in to that opponent and making sure that you are checking the boxes you need to from a physical,
37:36 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: from a physical perspective, which is, you know, mechanical adjustments that you need to go make.
37:40 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And guys, these days have really been able to hone in on where they're at in space, body awareness.
37:46 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ryan was an incredible athlete.
37:48 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and that's just another, another thing that bodes well for him is he's an elite mover.
37:55 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's an elite adjuster.
37:56 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's somebody who can mentally understand what he's doing and what adjustments need to be made
38:05 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: sure there's somebody that can come and get you but when they come and get you your day is done and now it's up to whoever else is going to be coming in back there coming in behind you so there is no there's no hope there's no praying out there you have to get the job done and the best way to do that is for you to become your own best pitching coach in the moment learning how to make adjustments not from not from ending to ending right and you can even back it up you're not looking to make
38:35 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: or add back to it back.
38:36 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You're looking to make adjustments from pitch to pitch.
38:39 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you are capable of doing that, you give yourself so much more of a chance to survive when things aren't going well.
38:47 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas, want to ask you a couple of questions about yourself before we wrap this up.
38:51 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned each row.
38:52 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So you almost took the words right out of my mouth.
38:54 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious as someone who faced each
39:01 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... it was like deciding whether or not you wanted to just turn around and throw the ball off the gap and and just save everybody the time save your pitch count um... because he could chip chip chip chip chip chip chip chip away at you uh... he was somebody who i mean it quite literally uh... uh... a wizard with the wand and and for for him to have the ability to put the ball in play the way he did really at will
39:25 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: it was such a treat to watch and you wanted to make sure that you weren't getting caught up and being a fan and watching it.
39:32 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I would like to watch him on the defensive side of the ball.
39:36 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, because of how he would, I mean, he would get jumps and he would get reads.
39:42 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, almost as the ball is leaving the pitcher's hand because he was anticipating the ball being put in play, based on the pitch that he knew was coming, this is what I expect to happen.
39:52 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: A ridiculous throwing arm, but it was such a treat to be able to compete against somebody like that because you know that you are competing against a master of the craft, a master in the art of hitting, a true technician, and I mean, just to be able to survive in it
40:10 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Did not end up on base was a win in all of itself.
40:14 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was I was just privileged to be able to compete against the guy like that He's one of the individuals when you look back on your career.
40:21 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that I do anyway.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I like I just chuckle like
40:25 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I was allowed to play on the same playground as that guy, like there's you know, we know how elementary school goes You got to you got to keep different ages separate, you know, somebody's going to get hurt And it felt like this is probably a guy that I don't know if that I'm allowed to play on his playground But for whatever reason they let me Who else was on that list of years of guys that you were just like flabbergasted to play against in your career?
40:49 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like as far as
40:55 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think Miguel Cabrera is another one of those guys, and it's just because of the respect I have for what they were doing with the baseball bat.
41:03 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Miguel, an incredible player, like, I just go back to his, like, to his first year, like, you know, he's right in Roger Clinton's out of the ballpark, the other way, like it's just the kind of talent that he possesses, possess as a player.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the,
41:20 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: The hand eye and every that's it's still there But these are just absolute freaks of nature and you just wonder how How does anybody get these guys out another guy that we mentioned in the in the video that we did earlier Joe Mower
41:38 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: right just a true craftsman guys that have moved around the diamond and allow themselves to to elongate their careers and you've got to be able to bring something to table offensively if you're going to entertain position changes and more than answer the bell to the tune of a Hall of Famer like there's just there are there are guys that you just you look back and you wonder like
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: damn, man.
42:02 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll I'll I'll say a guy like Alex Rodriguez with his talent and his capability like all the other stuff aside, like you have to be able to play the game.
42:13 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, just you don't just roll it out there and roll into the the categories that he's in, like you you have you got to be a dude and he's a dude.
42:24 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of speaking of Hall of Famers?
42:28 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to play again some or at least see him up close in his prime.
42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of Felix's Hall of Fame case?
42:34 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Because my take was always he probably didn't have a long enough prime to quite get in, even though I thought it could be close.
42:42 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Where now here in year two, at least early on, he's actually getting more votes than I really ever thought he would.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm curious if you've given much thought to what his Hall of Fame career and resume looks like.
42:53 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's that's something that I would want to dive into a little more, but off the top of my head.
42:59 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Felix is a guy who could be on the cusp of starting to get some love in where other times a guy with maybe the lack of peak that you're referring to.
43:11 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe wouldn't get the attention wouldn't get the consideration.
43:13 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's going to be about the classes that he finds himself in Uh, throughout his candidacy, but I'd like to believe that Felix Hernandez is a guy I mean, look, he was one of the first guys where You almost had to say and we did say right like when lost be damn Let's take a look at the body work Let's Kim can we do that and if we can take a look at the body of work and we can start to eliminate
43:34 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: one of the statistics that relies heavily on multiple other players to be contributing factors in.
43:41 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just take a look at what he's doing and what sort of dominance he's bringing to the table.
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when it became clear.
43:49 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's your cyan award winner.
43:51 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if we can do that to an extent where you start to be able to place him in the in the pantheon of greatness, I believe there's a place for Felix.
43:59 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe there is.
44:01 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Last question for me, Dallas.
44:03 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You and Felix are part of a very exclusive club of pictures to have thrown a perfect game.
44:07 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have such an incredible story on the day of your perfect game.
44:12 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And you throwing it on Mother's Day.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been written about multiple outlets.
44:15 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd recommend giving it a Google search.
44:17 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I read the MLB dot com article.
44:20 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really well done documenting
44:22 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: the background of all of it and all the emotions you were going through that day Dallas.
44:25 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to ask you about all of those, but I do want to ask you what it is like to be a member of the perfect game club and thinking about your place in baseball history.
44:38 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a great question.
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, uh,
44:44 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I joke a lot and I run my mouth a lot, one thing that I do want people to understand hopefully and appreciate is I have a full appreciation for who I am not, what sort of player I wasn't, what sort of player I'll never be and to think that I'm even
45:10 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like even on a list or a part of a group that finds itself in the Hall of Fame and you said it earlier like yeah what you get a display in the Hall of Fame like that's just bananas for me to think about like because that
45:26 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I always say it's one good day at work, man.
45:28 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I had one good day at work, right?
45:30 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of people who have had several really good days at work, and I had one, and it gets glamorized.
45:36 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only reason my one good day at work was good is because I did have the support of my teammates on that day.
45:41 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do it on myself.
45:43 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so for for me to to get the attention for that it's it's great.
45:49 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest I have struggled at times with it because I I'm not somebody who who wants that spotlight I I appreciate
46:01 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: what an achievement like that means, and I almost feel at times like I would be disrespecting it to pay attention to it.
46:11 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be disrespecting it to acknowledge it because that an achievement like that is reserved for individuals like Felix, like Sandy Cofax, like Matt King, right?
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
46:30 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I almost try to acknowledge it in passing because I know what it is and I know what it isn't.
46:39 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you and I would not be sitting here talking boys if I didn't have that one good day at work.
46:44 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's that simple and I'm the first one to tell you that like I'm again I'm not too ignorant to understand my place in this game and I've been afforded wonderful opportunities
46:56 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So, with all that being said, I think I'm about as appreciative as I could possibly be without trying to glamorize the moment myself because I do get a lot of folks who, and I love this.
47:10 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why I love showing up at the ballpark because each and every day.
47:13 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody shares a story with me of some type about Where they were that day Where they worked that day and where they were supposed to be because it's Mother's Day and well I'm I'm not on my way to the barbecue because well I was sitting at home watching this game and this game was supposed to be over by the time that I was at the barbecue But I didn't expect this loser to show up and throw a perfect game
47:38 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So, sorry, I'm not getting in the car yet, you know, I get to hear about stuff like that.
47:44 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I get to hear the connections.
47:45 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many, especially from Oakland, so many families, and sons and daughters that were at the game because their mom loved baseball, and
48:00 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It means a lot to me because my mom looked baseball and my mom gave me every opportunity that she could create for me to pursue my dream and to meet baseball fans who were pushed along from their mother, that means the world to me and I am forever grateful and eternally thankful.
48:22 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: that I get to meet folks who share that same emotion surrounding the game and with their mothers with their families because I mean I would not be in the position I'm in without the game of baseball and without my mother and those two things
48:37 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, finding each other, my mom falling in love with the game as I fell in love with the game.
48:43 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was our dream shared and it was our dream realized to become a big leader.
48:51 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And so to have the opportunity to connect with fans because of one good day of work, not everybody gets that.
48:59 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that and I am extremely extremely thankful for that.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
49:04 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a super cool story.
49:06 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the, I mean, for like all the unbelievable things that encompass that day that you had on Mother's Day, I guess the only other follow-up question I'd have with it is when you're in the moment of the perfect game and you're with in between the lines within the nine innings.
49:22 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you said you were pretty calm, cool and collected for most of the day.
49:25 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't feel a lot of the nerves.
49:27 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there an inning where you really started to feel a kick in at any point in the eighth inning and the ninth inning at 25 outs, anything?
49:35 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I mean, like, I've talked about where you start to acknowledge it, and I always jokingly say like, look, I'm not a mathematician, but I could look up at the scoreboard and I could put zeros together and figure out what that meant, and that's when I started to realize what was happening.
49:51 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But I remember walking off the mound in the eighth inning, I was able to sneak a fastball by BJ Upton on the inside part.
50:00 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Got the swimming miss and I remember walking off the mountain like just just in my mind
50:07 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: knowing.
50:09 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this is a done deal.
50:10 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just kept telling myself this is a wrap.
50:12 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is happening.
50:14 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: What what what the great Kim Kardashian say?
50:18 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We did not come this far just to come this far.
50:22 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I like I like it's it's kind of what I was thinking in that moment like this is a wrap.
50:27 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to go out there because I can remember telling myself out loud.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was somebody who talked to myself a lot.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't baby it.
50:36 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't baby it.
50:36 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the last thing I told myself before taking my jacket off in between innings knowing I'm getting ready to go out there for the night.
50:44 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
50:44 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
50:46 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't baby it.
50:47 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the first time I had seen the night inning as a starting pitcher in the big leagues.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my first complete game.
50:54 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I just
50:56 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like in my mind, I was like, look dude, you got a chance to win a big league ball game.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really tough to do.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Should you end up pissing down your leg out here?
51:04 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody gets on base or whatever.
51:06 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's maybe let, like, don't let it, don't walk anybody.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, get beat, giving up a hit.
51:12 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's going to be the case.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And just continue to do what you've done.
51:16 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was really the moment I think where
51:19 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as emotion might have been peaked, it was at the end of the eighth inning going into the ninth inning, knowing what laser head and from there you just got to go execute.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
51:32 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas appreciate all the stories, all the insight, everything we really enjoy your work with underdog and with Jared Corrabis and all your stuff on the Ace Telecast.
51:41 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Look forward to seeing you out here in Seattle at some point this season.
51:44 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much for taking some time for us.
51:46 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_00]: any time any time for your boys I appreciate and I do I generally meet a man congratulations on the success I've been able to watch you guys grow watch you grind it out you've been hustling you deserve everything that's coming your way continue to hustle and the great things will continue to happen for you man so I look forward to seeing your boys at the ballpark
52:05 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_01]: huge shout outs to Dallas.
52:07 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We loved having him on.
52:08 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We certainly hope that's not the last time we get to have him on.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten to know him a little bit over the last couple of years.
52:13 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when he travels in from Oakland or Sacramento to Seattle, and we see him out of the ballpark, he is just as cool in person as you see him on TV and in the media and on baseball is dead.
52:25 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And we hope he brought some of that to you guys here on this episode today.
52:28 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We certainly think he did and we love listening to him talk baseball.
52:32 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So thanks again to Dallas, loved having him on.
52:35 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And with that, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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